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W Earl Brown - Unsung Cinema · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: This is Billy D.
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  Speaker 2: Williams, and you're listening to Movie Meltdown. What's up, and
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  Speaker 2: welcome to Movie Meltdown's Unsung Cinema. I'm Brian, and in
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  Speaker 2: this series, I welcome a guest to discuss their involvement
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  Speaker 2: in film, and then we round out the episode talking
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  Speaker 2: about a movie that they enjoy that maybe, upon release,
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  Speaker 2: didn't get the respect that it deserves. And in this episode,
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking with a man that I guarantee you are
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  Speaker 2: familiar with. In fact, you've probably seen him in a
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  Speaker 2: lot of projects over the years. You may know him
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  Speaker 2: from Scream, or there's something about Mary, or Deadwood, or
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  Speaker 2: his current show, Sheriff Country. He is a hardworking actor
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  Speaker 2: that is a pretty impressive one at that. That's right,
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking with W. Earl Brown, a man from humble
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  Speaker 2: beginnings from right here in my own home state, and
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  Speaker 2: that's where we're going to begin. So with that, let's get.
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  Speaker 1: To it right now.
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  Speaker 2: So, I usually check in with people early on and see,
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  Speaker 2: you know, where they came from and how they got
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  Speaker 2: involved in everything. And this one has an extra little tie-in,
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  Speaker 2: because we hadn't discussed earlier, but I know more or
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  Speaker 2: less where you're from, but I'm also from Kentucky.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 2: So, now I can ask, you know, from one kid
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  Speaker 2: from Kentucky to another, you escaped.
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  Speaker 1: Where are you? Where are you from?
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  Speaker 2: I'm from Louisville, and yeah, it's as close to a
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  Speaker 2: city as we've got, but I know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be there in a few weeks, man. Very nice.
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  Speaker 2: Even more reason. Come hang out. But yeah, I know...
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  Speaker 2: I think you were far from there originally, so I
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  Speaker 2: guess I've gone a little ways out into the state.
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  Speaker 2: It gets pretty rural. It gets pretty far away from civilization,
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  Speaker 2: so I guess how far out into the country were
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  Speaker 2: you back in the olden days?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I grew up in Callaway County. Nashville's actually the
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  Speaker 3: closer city to us. It's 120 miles away. When I
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  Speaker 3: say us, my wife is from there also.
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  Speaker 1: We're High school sweethearts. Well, she was still in high school.
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  Speaker 2: We don't talk about that now.
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  Speaker 3: And Louisville was about a three hour drive from home.
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  Speaker 3: Nashville is about a two hour drive. So when we
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  Speaker 3: go back, which we're actually doing on Friday, we're flying
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  Speaker 3: into Nashville and then I'll be in Louisville. I'm doing
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  Speaker 3: Horror Hound in Cincinnati. There's a scream thing and I'm
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  Speaker 3: a part of that. And I've ordered me a hat,
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  Speaker 3: a custom made hat from Wild Hats there in Louisville.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm coming over and we're going to make my
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  Speaker 3: custom hat. So that's the plan.
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  Speaker 2: Very stylish. All right. So I guess that early on,
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  Speaker 2: were you already, I guess at what point did you
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  Speaker 2: realize like with most kids, it's probably movies or TV.
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  Speaker 2: So early on, what was the first thing that sort
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  Speaker 2: of clicked with you? You're like, oh, I think I
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  Speaker 2: like this.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's funny that we're having this conversation at this
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  Speaker 3: moment because I didn't even think of it.
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  Speaker 1: We're going home Friday, and I've not been back there.
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  Speaker 3: In quite some time because I was in Toronto working
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  Speaker 3: on a show for nine months. But Scream 7 is opening.
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  Speaker 3: And then the following weekend, my wife and I are
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  Speaker 3: going to Vegas. And I thought, man, I got to
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  Speaker 3: see the movie. Well, hey, I'll go see it in
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  Speaker 3: my childhood movie theater where I went to see movies.
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  Speaker 3: So I floated that by my mom and my sister. Well,
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  Speaker 3: suddenly I have 26 family members. We're all going to
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  Speaker 3: see Scream 7 on Saturday night because I watched Scream
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  Speaker 3: there with my family 30 years ago with several of them,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of them who've passed on now, actually. So
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  Speaker 3: that's where my love of movies really began. The first
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  Speaker 3: time I had the hair on the back of my
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  Speaker 3: neck experience where I went, oh, my God, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know how to do that, was in June or early
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  Speaker 3: July of 1977. We'd gone to Daytona Beach, Florida on vacation,
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  Speaker 3: and my folks had allowed me to bring my best
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  Speaker 3: friend Gene with me. So my mom has these two
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  Speaker 3: pubescent boys together. bouncing off the walls of the hotel.
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  Speaker 3: And she goes, do you boys want to do anything today?
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  Speaker 3: And I said, yeah, I want to see that space
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  Speaker 3: movie I've heard folks talking about back home. So my
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  Speaker 3: mom took me and Gene to the mall in Daytona Beach, Florida,
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  Speaker 3: and dropped us off. The movie theater was their part
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  Speaker 3: of the mall.
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  Speaker 1: And we went to see Star Wars.
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  Speaker 3: And I said many a time, I'll never forget that
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  Speaker 3: feeling of watching the Imperial Star Destroyer flying over our
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  Speaker 3: heads and and the hair on the back of my
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  Speaker 3: neck stood up. And it was like that, and the
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  Speaker 3: John Williams score, and just this overwhelming feeling. And as
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  Speaker 3: I explained to my daughter, when she's now 27, but
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  Speaker 3: when she was a kid, I said, you don't understand.
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  Speaker 3: All these other movies were influenced by this. We'd never
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  Speaker 3: seen anything like that. And I just, I remember thinking,
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  Speaker 3: oh my God, I would love to be a part
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  Speaker 3: of that. And so- Then the following year, so I
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  Speaker 3: was a freshman in high school that year. And when
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  Speaker 3: the toys came out, I desperately, because I don't know
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  Speaker 3: how old, you're probably much younger than me.
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  Speaker 2: No, I have pretty much the same story as the sad.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Kenner, you know, none of the main toy companies
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  Speaker 3: would take the contract. Kenner was a little unknown company.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they couldn't meet demand.
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  Speaker 3: So they would send these letters out at Christmas that
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  Speaker 3: your toy, it's coming in the mail.
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  Speaker 1: We promise. Well, I wanted those toys, but I was
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  Speaker 1: in high school. And I'm like, God, I can't.
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  Speaker 3: Chicks really wouldn't dig it because nerd culture was not
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  Speaker 3: a thing then. Oh, no.
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  Speaker 2: Years away from being a thing.
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  Speaker 3: And then I would see little kids playing Star Wars
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  Speaker 3: and And I would desperately want to get up and play.
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  Speaker 1: But, like, I'm in high school. I can't do that.
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  Speaker 1: So hang on just a second because I know we're
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  Speaker 1: not on video, but you'll get this sound. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's my Darth Vader. And I got the Luke Skywalker.
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  Speaker 1: I got all the fucking toys now. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And having done Mandalorian and Boba Fett, they scanned me
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  Speaker 3: for an action figure and I signed off on it.
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  Speaker 3: And the last section, the Black series that came out,
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  Speaker 3: they cut off at David Pasquese. I'm like, I think
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  Speaker 3: I'm right below Pasquese. So I keep my fingers crossed
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  Speaker 3: that eventually we're going to get a Taunty action figure.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they do seem like they've gotten to so many. Those, like,
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  Speaker 2: the most random people from that original trilogy now have
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  Speaker 2: multiple action figures.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They have to get to.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was definitely going to ask because, you know,
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  Speaker 2: knowing that you were into Star Wars as much as
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  Speaker 2: you were as a kid to then, you know, full
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  Speaker 2: circle become part of the Star Wars universe. Like, how
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  Speaker 2: mind-blowing was that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Incredibly so. I love telling this story. My wife works
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  Speaker 3: for Disney. When our daughter was born, she didn't want
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  Speaker 3: to work full time. But I have a skill that
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  Speaker 3: my wife lacks. I have a skill to sit on
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  Speaker 3: my ass and not accomplish anything for days on end
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  Speaker 3: and be perfectly content.
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  Speaker 1: Not my wife. That's impressive. She volunteered for everything.
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  Speaker 3: She was the chair of the Arts for All Council,
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  Speaker 3: funding public arts education. And through that, she got to
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  Speaker 3: know people at Disney. And when our daughter went away
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  Speaker 3: to college, she went to University of Oregon. Carrie had said,
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  Speaker 3: she goes, I'm thinking about going back to work full time.
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  Speaker 3: She'd still freelanced with the former company she had worked for,
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  Speaker 3: which was a real estate company. But right around that time,
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  Speaker 3: she gets a call from Disney HR and said, we're
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  Speaker 3: opening a new division of Streaming. direct-to-consumer, and you've been
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  Speaker 3: recommended to us. Would you be interested in working for
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  Speaker 3: the Walt Disney Company? So six weeks later, my wife
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  Speaker 3: is working for the Walt Disney Company. So I get
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  Speaker 3: into Star Wars, right? My agent calls me, Michael, and
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  Speaker 3: he said, what's your feeling on prosthetics? And now you
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  Speaker 3: said you hate them. Because I played a demon on Angel,
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  Speaker 3: and it was not a fun experience.
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  Speaker 2: Hours and hours of application.
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  Speaker 1: Not just the makeup. It was not a happy set.
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  Speaker 1: It was not. One of those fun ones. But I said, no,
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  Speaker 1: I ain't going through that shit again. No way.
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  Speaker 3: Unless somebody's going to pay me seven figures. Nobody's going
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  Speaker 3: to pay me that. He said, well, it's a straight
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  Speaker 3: out offer. I'll let them know it's from Disney. Some
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  Speaker 3: Star Wars thing.
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  Speaker 1: And went, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not wrong.
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  Speaker 2: It changes everything.
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  Speaker 3: Are you talking about Favreau's Mandalorian? Now, Favreau and I
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  Speaker 3: started out as actors at the same time in Chicago.
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  Speaker 3: We used to audition for the same beer and truck commercial.
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  Speaker 3: So I knew him from back then. And he said, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Jon Favreau is the producer. I went, yes, I want
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  Speaker 3: to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Yep. Yep. Count me in. I'll take it. Whatever
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  Speaker 1: they're offering.
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  Speaker 2: However many layers of makeup I have to get in.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do this.
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  Speaker 3: So season one was not out yet when I signed on.
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  Speaker 3: They were starting season two before season one was released. Well,
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  Speaker 3: the NDA was 14 pages long and they were the
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  Speaker 3: most super secretive.
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  Speaker 1: You did not get a full script.
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  Speaker 3: You got the scenes that you were in and only that.
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  Speaker 3: If you had action scenes that They would send you
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  Speaker 3: a link to an animatic, which was a line drawing
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  Speaker 3: animation of the cuts of what the action would be.
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  Speaker 1: But that was all that you got. Well, my side
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  Speaker 1: said the child.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I knew they'd hired Tim Oliphant to be Cobb Vanth.
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  Speaker 3: And Tim and I have a history and we're friends.
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  Speaker 3: And Pedro, I'd known for 10 years at that point.
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  Speaker 3: We did a pilot together early in his career. And
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  Speaker 3: it says the child. So I'm still thinking like, oh, man, okay,
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  Speaker 3: this is going to be so cool. I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: get to play Star Wars with my buddies. This is
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  Speaker 3: going to be awesome. So we go through. They were
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  Speaker 3: so secretive. I had to wear a cowl walking between
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  Speaker 3: sound stages when we were doing makeup tests because you
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  Speaker 3: had never seen a weekway since Return of the Jedi.
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  Speaker 1: So Tanti was the first weekway. So it's secret, secret, secret.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, everybody's got a camera now. You're never safe.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah. So anyway.
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  Speaker 3: My first day of filming was Thursday before season one
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  Speaker 3: is being released on Friday. So I go to work
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  Speaker 3: and it was so secretive. The Teamster, Tatooine was actual.
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  Speaker 3: Everything else was on the volume, but they actually built
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  Speaker 3: Tatooine and they built my cantina. And it was about
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  Speaker 3: a mile or so from the lot. It was in
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  Speaker 3: this hidden away. So the driver that took us there
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  Speaker 3: had to step out and then another driver had to
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  Speaker 3: step in to actually drive us onto the set. Someone
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  Speaker 3: with clearance. That's how secretive it was. So I get
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  Speaker 3: out and there's a bantha right in front of me.
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  Speaker 3: Like there's a working fucking bantha.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my God. Your mind is blown.
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  Speaker 3: So it's just like two puppeteers take to operate. Oh
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  Speaker 3: my God, this is so cool. So I'm on Tatooine, dude.
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  Speaker 3: And so we get in, we get into the set.
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  Speaker 3: We're in the cantina. And Tim, of course, is in
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  Speaker 3: the Boba Fett armor. And, you know, he's the deputy
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  Speaker 3: of the town. Well, I'm behind the bar. And he
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  Speaker 3: and I did the show Deadwood on HBO, which is
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  Speaker 3: my favorite thing ever. It was this very eloquent Shakespearean, vulgar,
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  Speaker 3: violent Western. So Tim comes walking up. He comes walking
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  Speaker 3: over to me and I'm behind the bar and I go.
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  Speaker 3: You ought to pin that fucking badge on your chest.
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  Speaker 3: You just hypocrite enough to wear it, you fucking cocksucker,
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  Speaker 3: which is a line that I delivered to him in
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  Speaker 3: season two of Deadwood. Tim throws some Deadwood line back
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  Speaker 3: at me and Favreau starts laughing. He goes, oh, my God,
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  Speaker 3: I've recreated Deadwood in space. I said, can we throw
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  Speaker 3: some fucks and cocksuckers into the dialogue? He goes, I
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  Speaker 3: don't think George would sign off on that. So we're
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  Speaker 3: having a big laugh. And the props guy comes in,
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  Speaker 3: and on the props cart is a baby Yoda. And
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  Speaker 3: I just thought to myself, oh, that's so cute. The
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  Speaker 3: props guy made himself a little toy.
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  Speaker 1: That's gorgeous. So there's Pedro.
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  Speaker 3: So we're having a Deadwood laugh, and John goes, all right,
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  Speaker 3: let's block it. Let's run one, see what we come
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  Speaker 3: up with. So everybody to one. I'm thinking, well, where's
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  Speaker 3: the child? The child doesn't speak in the scene, but
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  Speaker 3: he's got, I haven't even seen the kid all day long.
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  Speaker 3: So Pedro goes out, me and Tim talk, talk, talk, talk, talk.
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  Speaker 3: And then Pedro enters and there's a puppeteer operating a
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  Speaker 3: Grogu on a stick.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my God, oh my God, that's
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  Speaker 1: the child. So we shoot for the day.
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  Speaker 3: I get home that night and we're sitting at the
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  Speaker 3: dinner tables, just my wife and I. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: so I, like, I wanted to call my high school buddies.
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  Speaker 3: I so desperately wanted to call.
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  Speaker 1: Guess what, dude?
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  Speaker 2: Guess what?
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  Speaker 1: Well, can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, sworn to secrecy.
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  Speaker 1: So I was sitting at the table and she says,
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  Speaker 1: how's your day? I said, well, my God. So I said,
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  Speaker 1: get this.
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  Speaker 2: There's okay. There's, there's a baby Yoda.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not Yoda. Cause Yoda's a different being,
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  Speaker 1: but it's, it's like the race of Yoda. It's not
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  Speaker 1: really a baby.
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  Speaker 3: Cause it's 50 years old, but, but, And my wife
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  Speaker 3: has this incredulous look on her face.
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  Speaker 1: And I went, what we get, what you knew, you, you,
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  Speaker 1: you knew you've known.
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  Speaker 3: And with perfect timing, my wife said, you're not the
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  Speaker 3: only person in this house who has a non-disclosure agreement.
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  Speaker 1: So she's like, you can't, you can't tell anybody.
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  Speaker 2: She's better than you. Cause she kept it to herself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't tell anybody.
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  Speaker 3: The only thing when they sent me my crew shirt,
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  Speaker 3: Of course, by Friday, the next day, it's premiered.
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  Speaker 1: And by Monday, Grogu is ubiquitous. It's everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: But they had kept everything quiet. It was only on
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  Speaker 3: a need-to-know basis. The designs were there, but no manufacturing
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  Speaker 3: of any toys, any T-shirts, any posters, nothing until it.
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  Speaker 1: Made it splash. That's impressive. So I knew that little
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  Speaker 1: bastard when he was a nobody. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And now he rules the entire town.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you can't see it, but sitting just here on
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  Speaker 3: the other side is a Sideshow full-size actual replica of Grogu.
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  Speaker 3: And across the room from me is my full-size replica
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  Speaker 3: of Yoda, also from Sideshow.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Grogu is kind of one of my favorite
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  Speaker 2: things that they've done in recent years. They've done a
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  Speaker 2: lot of stuff, but I think that, well, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the Mandalorian as a whole, I think is kind of
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  Speaker 2: the most impressive thing because it's, It's making up for
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  Speaker 2: all these other things that they've neglected in the Star
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  Speaker 2: Wars universe.
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  Speaker 1: It's the first time.
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  Speaker 2: We have a good dad, for God's sakes.
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  Speaker 3: But Dave and John recognize because they're of the Star
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  Speaker 3: Wars generation.
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  Speaker 1: Things got so self-serious.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. You know, the sequels did. They got heavy-handed.
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  Speaker 3: And what made those first movies is they were fun.
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  Speaker 3: They were silly fun. And they remembered that. And that's
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  Speaker 3: what Mando was and continues to be, so.
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  Speaker 2: But it's also kind of smart in the way that
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  Speaker 2: it works in these other... To me, so much of
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  Speaker 2: it is also about having too much blind faith in religion.
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  Speaker 2: There's these underlying things that are a little heavier. And
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  Speaker 2: then also when you get to Grogu and finally someone
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  Speaker 2: makes the right decision. when for years we've watched every
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  Speaker 2: Jedi person make the, like, okay, I'll give up everything
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  Speaker 2: to go be part of the Jedi. And it always backfires.
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  Speaker 2: And like, finally, someone's smart enough.
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  Speaker 1: Grogu.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, no, I don't want to do that.
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  Speaker 1: This is terrible.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Wes Craven said something once we were, he was
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  Speaker 3: one of my mentors and was a dear friend. And
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  Speaker 3: we were talking about nightmare. And I said, reminds me
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  Speaker 3: Ibsen's ghost.
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  Speaker 1: He went ghost. Do you know ghost?
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  Speaker 3: I said, I haven't done it, but I did scenes
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  Speaker 3: from it. He went thematically, oh, it was a heavy
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: influence on the original Elm Street. And so we start
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: talking about that mythology. And Wes, who was never a
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: big horror fan, he said, I recognize, those were the
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  Speaker 3: movies I could get made. Those were the movies I
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: could get funding to do. But he said, I recognize
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  Speaker 3: something early on. I could deal with heavy themes. I
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  Speaker 3: could deal with dark ideas. As long as I had
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: a scare every 10 pages. And I'm kind of that
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: same way about, you know, Mando. And as long as
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: it has the fun, the wow factor, you know, they
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: can delve into the religious and the political and all
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: of that stuff.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: So, you know, without that temperament of lightness.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Of fun, then it gets heavy handed. So I'm a
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: big fan, even if I am in it.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, again, I think it's one of the best
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: things they've done since the original trilogy. I think it's
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: so much fun and yet has kind of bigger, smarter
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: things to say.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: But that feeling has never left me, that feeling in
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: the movie theater. And I know we talked about the
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: first half of this being the movies that were influenced.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: It was the next summer after that, there were two films,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Halloween and Animal House. Also sitting near me are a
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: bunch of Halloween and Animal House stuff too. Those were
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: the movies that I went to see over and over again.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Because back in my day, we didn't have your fancy
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: VHS tapes that you kids today have, your Betamax and whatnot.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: We had to go to the movie theater. So I did.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: And those movies were the ones that were just like,
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: I will never forget the feeling. And I've talked to
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Nick Castle about this. The first time seeing Halloween, when
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: you think Laurie Strode has killed Michael Myers. And then,
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: you know, she's sitting there at the door of her bedroom.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: And then Michael Myers sits up in the background. And
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: that electric shock that went through the audience. There's actually
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: film on YouTube. Someone shot an infrared, the audience watching
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: it back in 1978. And, you know, that's another feeling
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: that never left me. That communal experience of movies. That's
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: why what I mentioned earlier about taking my family, the
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: owner of it's an independent theater. It's local there in Murray.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: And it's been in the family for decades. But he
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: gave me the option. He goes, we have a smaller theater.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: I could give it just to your to, you know,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: your family could have it. And I said, no, I
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: want to see it with all 300 people in that auditorium.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: because of that communal experience, because of that energy that's
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: within the room. You know, as long as you don't
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: have some asshole sitting next to you on his damn
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: phone or something like that, I prefer seeing movies with
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: an audience because it elevates the entire experience, the energy
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: that's created.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: So those were my movies.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Those were the ones of This rural kid in Kentucky
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: who had no fucking idea of what he wanted to
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: do with his life except get away.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I wanted to see the world.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I knew people that they never left,
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: you know, they never went beyond the county line. And
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: there was so much I wanted to see and do
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: and experience. And you really get down to it. I'm
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: doing the exact same shit that I did when I
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: was five years old. I play cops and robbers and
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: cowboys and Indians. I just get paid for it. So
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: as my wife said, talking about that, she goes, you're
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: a perpetual 14-year-old.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: More like 12. But yeah.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, Halloween was such an influential movie for you
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: in general, but I mean, you, you already kind of
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: led in with the, the, the West things. I mean,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: to me, it's kind of that same dynamic of kind
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: of coming full circle. It's like you, you were so
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: influenced by Halloween, but then what Halloween was to those
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: late seventies movies, I feel like scream was to the
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: mid nineties. So it totally like reinvigorated a whole horror industry.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I have one of those old man experiences.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: When we were shooting Preacher, Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: those two guys, they met in bar mitzvah class at
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: 12 years old. And they were both these Jewish nerdy
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: kids who were so into comic books and monsters. And
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Preacher had just published the first splat. And that's what
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: they bonded over. And a lot of the frames of
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: our show came right out of that comic book. because
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: of their.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Love of it. And shooting that with them was like,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: you know, that joy.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Like imagine your best friend when you were 13 years old,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: that you get to make big movies, you get to
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: paint on a big canvas.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: And it was that kind of feeling with them.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: And I told them the story of my movies, the
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: three that made me want to be in movies. And, um,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: and I said that, you know, Animal House, you know,
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Star Wars, Animal House, Halloween. And Evan goes, oh yeah, man, screaming.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: There's something about Mary. We're like that for us. That
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: was the first time I felt old. Like, you know,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: hell that's been eight years ago. First time I'm like,
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: oh my God, I'm the old man on the set.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: But at least influential.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, I would go to like, well, I worked with James.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I was in a movie with James Earl Jones. I
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: didn't have scenes with him. It was called Excessive Force.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Everything its title implies it being. Excessive Force shot in
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Chicago in 1992. And I went on the days he
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: was there just to hang out with him and talk
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: to him and like ask him about Mate One, one
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: of my favorite movies, and of course, Star Wars. But yeah,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: so yeah, suddenly that dawning realization that I've, you know,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Most of my heroes, a lot of them are gone.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: And now I'm 62 years old and Scream is 30
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: years old.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: It's a classic now.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: We had no idea when we were shooting it. We
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: didn't know that we were capturing lightning in a bottle.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: But we did.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: We were. And here we are 30 years later and
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: it's still a thing.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, surprisingly, I still... Driving here earlier today,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I passed by somebody waiting for the bus wearing a
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Ghostface shirt. It is so immersed in the culture at
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: this point. It is just... He is Michael Myers. He's
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: equally as identifiable as just a horror character now.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of Ghostface stuff in this room I'm
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: sitting in also.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, that movie, again, you said you didn't
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: really know at the time... I mean, what was the
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: shoot itself? Cause that, that whole second half, like the
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: party scene is in your, you're sort of an instrumental
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: part of that party scene, I guess, spoilers for a
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: 30 year old movie. But, but I mean, how was
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: that whole shoot there?
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Well, and where the, where the real drama happened that we,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: we weren't aware of Miramax.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: It was their first, they had started the dimension label.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: This was the Weinstein brothers and, And Bob Weinstein, Harvey's
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: younger brother, was going to start making genre films instead
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: of arty films.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: And Scary Movie was the script name.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: And so they had bought it on spec from Kevin Williamson,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: a budding young string writer. Well, they wanted Wes, and
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Wes turned him down. Wes was trying to get out
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: of horror. And I had done Wes Craven's New Nightmare.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: That was the first movie I did with him. And
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: it was the first, like, meta horror film. Yeah.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I think it gets forgotten about as smartly as it's
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: put together. Yeah.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Well, they finally made a deal with him.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: They came back around, made a very lucrative deal to
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: get him on board. So we all had dinner at
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: his house before we left. And he said, before we
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: get started, I just want to say this. We are
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: making a satire of the genre. But this is a
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: very important lesson I learned on my last movie, which
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: was Vampire in Brooklyn, I was also in. He said,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: I learned this. If the movie is not scary, it
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: will not be funny. So never at any point fall
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: into playing the comedy. We always play into the drama
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: and the horror.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: So we go up.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: They had offered the role of Sidney to Drew Barrymore,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: and she turned it down. And Drew had suggested, she goes,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: how about I play this opening girl, this Casey Becker,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: the one that gets killed?
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Well, Weston loved the idea. Okay.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: We only have one movie star in the movie and
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: we kill her off in the first 10 minutes. The
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: audience is not going to know what's coming.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: It's going to.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: So, so wouldn't, I mean, she's the poster image. Like
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: you would totally assume she's the whole movie. Yeah.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: So that was the first thing he shot. They had
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: been there about a week when most of the rest
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: of us showed up. We shot in Santa Rosa, California,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: and we all stayed the cast crew, everybody. We were
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: all in the same hotel. And it was the most fun.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: It was everything young me. You dreamt about making movies.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: You make these really good friends. And you have fun.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: And you're playing.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: And that is what Scream was.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: I was the oldest person at 32 that was part
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: of the regular. Courtney's about six months younger than me.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: And then most of those guys were in their mid-20s.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: So we were relatively of the same generation.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: But we hung out, dude. And we just had so
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: much fun. But that first week....
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Miramax Dimension was going to fire Wes Craven. He called
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: up the producers, Kathy Conrad, and he goes, I'm watching
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: these dailies. I don't see a movie here. This is awful.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Because Wes knew what he had. He knew what was there.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: So unbeknownst to us, she holds him off of Weinstein,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: and Wes brings his editor up and starts editing. So
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: we're shooting at night. Wes is editing during the day.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Poor man didn't sleep for about two weeks.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Jeez. So he cuts together that opening 10 minutes with
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: temp music and sends it to New York. Get a
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: call from Weinstein. What do I know about horror? I
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: know nothing about horror. This is brilliant.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: So we go from, you know, that opening segment is
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: taught in film schools.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Like film students study that, how it's framed, how it's edited,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: how he uses the music to build this ever increasing
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: sense of tension.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Leads to, you know, the opening of the film.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: So you go from Wes is going to be fired
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: over it to it's something that 30 years later still
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: has an impact.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: You know, every teenager, it's a rite of passage. And
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: that happened when my daughter was in middle school.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: I said, she's 27. She graduated high school in 16. But,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: you know, the first three movies that happened, Scream, and
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: then it kind of went away for, you know, several years.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: It wasn't, you know, it wasn't a thing.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: When she was in middle school, she'd come home one
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: day and she goes, aren't you in that movie Scream?
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: My daughter completely unimpressed by anything I'd ever done.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: And she says, you know, that's like really popular in school.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: There's a kid that's actually having a Scream party this weekend.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: There's a whole bunch of them getting together.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: To watch it. I went, really?
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: And that was four was, of course, that, you know,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: they were promoting four.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Was bringing it back.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Um, but that's when it really kind of became part
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: of the permanent zeitgeist and became this rite of passage.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: So, you know, it is for that generation.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: It's Halloween every, every year I watch, I watch Halloween
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: on Halloween and, um, um, scream is right there alongside
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: of it. So, and I'm a part of it. And that's,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: that's why this room, I talk about all my toys
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: and stuff. I got my rock and roll posters, all
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: the shit that this is my penultimate teenage boy bedroom.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: everything else in this house, it's an older house that
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: we're restoring to 1921 glory, except the attic.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: And as my wife said, it's a teenage boy bedroom.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: And I said, yeah.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: And it's because I still have my Johnny West figures
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: from when I was five years old, my actual toys.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: I have an actual kiss poster that hung on my
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: wall when I was 14.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: You're as bad as I am.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: That's how I operate.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Well, I sit here amongst all of this And it
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: gives me a sense of gratitude because everything that I
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: dreamt of my life being when I was a kid
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: in rural Kentucky, living 12 miles outside of Murray, everything
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: I dreamt that I wanted my life to.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Be, it became.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: And it just fills me with a sense of immense gratitude.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: So that's why my room is the way it is.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Well, that's how it should be. I mean, who doesn't
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: want to have their toys surrounding them at all times?
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: And it's not, and now in high school, you can
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: do it. I go to cons and it's full of,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: of guys and gals and.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Everything in between just being themselves and happy to be so.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: So that's, that's kind of what's impressive is as, as
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: you referenced earlier, like it wasn't anything but like 12
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: year old boys back in the day. Now, like it
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: is equally as much, if not more so girls. And that's,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: that's become such a thing that there are so many
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: girls that are into horror and so many girls are
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: sci-fi nerds that I'm like, it's, it's been really kind
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: of reassuring to see that, you know, kind of everybody
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: gets into it now.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: I had to, I held off on doing those for
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: years because, And then there was one, a big one
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: in Louisville.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: No, it was in Louisville. Yeah, Louisville. No, Lexington.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Lexington's got a couple, yeah.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: It was in Lexington because it was attached to Rupp Arena. Anyway,
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: because I'm from Kentucky, the promoters, I said, man, I
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: feel uncomfortable charging people to sign an autograph.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: And he said, well, look at it this way, Earl.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: He said, either I can charge fans $ 500 for a
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: ticket for the weekend so they can come and they
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: can meet the people that made their favorite movies there.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: And whatnot, and get their.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Picture taken, or I could charge that fan $ 50 to
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: come in, and then they get to decide how, when,
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: or if they spend other money, and he's, that's the
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: only way we can afford to pay you.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Guys, and to get you here, and I'm, oh, that's
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: an interesting way of looking.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: At it, so I actually had some, I've had exchanges
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: with fans, I've done, I do a couple a year,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: so I've done, what, eight eight, maybe 10.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: But there, when you, when you meet with somebody that
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: your work really mattered. And I remember this, the, this,
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: this kid that he was a big gamer and the
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: last of us.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: And I played bill. I created bill in the last
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: of us.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: And, and the kid said, he goes, man, I just,
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: I've never fit in anywhere in my life because I'm
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: a gamer and I'm gay. All the gay guys hated
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: me because I'm a nerd. And all the nerdy kids
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: hated me because I'm queer. And he said, for the
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: first time in my life playing that game, I'm like, oh, my.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: God, that's Bill. Bill's me.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: And anyway, those kind of exchanges with people where you
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: see the stories that you've been a part of telling,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: you know, just, again, make me very grateful.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: And, you know, as far as cons, hell, if I
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: wasn't sitting on that side of the desk, I would go.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: I would still, I'd be that 60 year old dude.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Um, I don't know that I'd cosplay anymore.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Um, that's a lot of trouble.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of work. Um, that's my day job,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: damn it. Uh, so, but no, I, I do.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Um, and, and a couple of years about all I
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: can do, cause it takes a lot out of me, um, energetically, but, um,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: I do enjoy it.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: So it's, yeah, I mean, I've been going to him
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: for longer years than I can even, count at this point. And,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: and it is, it is interesting because now I got like,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: we did so many for the show that like, I
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: got kind of numb to the basics of it and
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: the routine. I'm just kind of used to it, but yeah,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: you do see, like, I've, I've been in line behind
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: people that have had that full on experience. I've been
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: that person that's had that full on experience that, that
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: is just like, I can't explain to you how much
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: this means. And like, Sometimes it's hard to take for
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: the person on the other side of the table. But
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: it is very honest. And you do see that from
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: these people.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I was in a van.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: I was in a van in Washington with Nick Castle.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Next to Nick. Hey, dude. Okay.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: You said at the end of the day, I went, okay,
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: I'm wiped out. I know you're wiped out, but I
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: just got to talk to you. So, you know, I
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: was in a, well, Elvira. She wasn't in the van
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: with us. I've met numerous.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Adrienne Barbeau gave me a chocolate chip cookie on the plane.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Adrienne Barbeau, man. Oh, yeah. So, yes, I do enjoy
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: that now and again.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Bill Moseley gave me a cookie one time.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: I bet it wasn't as sweet as Adrienne Barbeau's.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: No, it was a pecan sandy. But he was very
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: nice about it. So that's the thing. There are so
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: many of these people that you see. and you see
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: them time and again. So it does seem like you,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: you build this little network and this little family of,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: of traveling people that go to all these conventions. So
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: it is, it is kind of its own, its own
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: little world more or less. Well, I, we, we hit scream.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I did want to talk about a couple of your
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: movies before we got into the, the, the episodes movie. Um, the,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: the other one I was kind of looking through the list.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: You've got so many, it's kind of, overwhelming, really. But
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I figured the one that you probably got maybe the
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: most invested in, I was going to talk about Bloodworth.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, that did you find? I mean, I know
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: it's a pre-existing property, but did you decide I want
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: to turn this into a screenplay or how did it
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: make its way to you?
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I became friends with Shane Taylor. Shane had He's from Kentucky.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: He's from Louisville. Peerless Distilling, Peerless down there in Louisville.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: That's his family.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: I know of them, yeah.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's his family. But Shane was a movie nerd.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: And I met him.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: He had gone to Murray State for a year. He
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: was a walk-on on the basketball team. But they didn't
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: have a film program and he went away. But I heard, hey, man,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: they shot a movie here last summer.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, right.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: No, no, man, those folks are from Hollywood. They shot
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: a movie here. And I said, because this was in
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: the late 90s, you know, I had done I think
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: how Deadwood may have been on the air early aughts.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but I said, well, I've never heard
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: of it. Ended up, it was Shane and he shot
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: this movie called the gray. It's set in the, it's
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: a father son story set in the cockfighting world with.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Mark Boone, Jr.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: As the dad, it ended up, Shane kept inviting me
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: to screenings and I would avoid it.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Cause I'm like, I, I like this dude and come on,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: this movie is going to suck.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: I'm, I'm, I just, And he joked about it because
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: he was still splitting his time between Louisville and here.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: He worked for ESPN. He was a sports producer for them.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: But he finally called me and said, hey, are you
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: home today? I went, yeah, man, just hanging out at
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: the house because I'm bringing my movie over.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Can't avoid it now.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: It was extraordinary.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: It was absolutely extraordinary to make it on the shoestring
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: budget that he made it.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: And I said, man, I want to do something with
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: you sometime.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: So I read Provinces of Night. I, my wife had
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: met William Gay and interviewed him for a thing. And
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: I got obsessed with William's writing. I got obsessed with William. Um,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: he was like right out of a Faulkner novel. The man,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: if you talk to him, he talked about like, yes,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: talk real slow. He had a real thick, uh, Tennessee's
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: from hole in wall. And really thought, and you, and
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: then you would look at the language of his, his
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: use of language in writing. I, How does this man
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: have that command?
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: It's like Billy Joe Shaver as a songwriter.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Anyway, William, I read Provinces and I'm like, oh my God,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: this is my Holden Caulfield. Because I remember reading, I
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: didn't really realize at the time Catcher in the Rye
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: was a satire. He was making fun of Holden Caulfield.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: But I read it as like an 18-year-old. I'm like, oh,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: it's life-changing, my Holden Caulfield. I remember thinking, Holden Caulfield's
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: just a fucking asshole.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like as kids, they make you read
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: it in high school and nobody gets it. You are
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: that asshole at that point.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're so dick.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: It's only later you realize, oh, okay.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Well, I read Provinces of Night and I'm like, oh,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Fleming Bloodworth.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: That's my Holden Caulfield. This kid that longed to be
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: a writer, to be an artist, and he was stuck.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: My family was not stuck in poverty.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Um, you know, we were definitely a working class family, but, uh,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: you know, we, we, we got to go to Florida
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: on vacation because of my industrious hardworking mother. But, uh,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: but anyway, that was, I told Shane Taylor, I sent
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: him the book and he was flying somewhere for ESPN
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: and he called me when he landed and he went,
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: is the rights to this book available? And I went, well,
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: let's find out. So we called, we didn't have any money.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: So we're trying to get the rights and the agents,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: you know, not, not giving us the time of day.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: And I think we come up with, with, with like $ 5, 000,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: you know, for the rights, something like that. And William,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: cause my wife had interviewed him. I had his phone
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: number and William was a huge music nut. And we
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: were trying to get Chris Christopherson to play the lead. Um,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: but I was with in Nashville, I was hanging out
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: with Steve Earl and we're talking about this and trying
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: to make this movie. I said, actually, Would you be
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: willing to talk? So I called William and I said, hey, man,
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: you know, I know we're to trust us.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I said, I've worked.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: There's somebody I worked with. I did a play of his.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: His first play. We're good friends. And he'll vouch for me.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: If you know, if you I don't know if you know, Steve.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Steve Earl, Steve Earl. I said, yeah, he's right here. Well,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: hell yeah.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it was that. It was Steve's vote.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Of confidence that William called his agent and go, take
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: that kid's deal. So it took us, we had the
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: money in pre-production, we had money. were in pre-production. Within
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: a 12-hour span of time in 1986, Deadwood got canceled
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: and we lost our money. So it took us three
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: years to get it put back together. But it was
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: truly a labor of love. And we raised $ 5 million.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: We got Chris Christopherson. I got to spend a lot
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: of one-on-one time with Chris. We became close friends. And
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't trade that for anything. The producing side of
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: the movie, it.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Kicked my ass.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: I love the creative side, the creative producing side. Like, okay,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: we can't afford this location. We can't because we got to, okay, well,
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: I have to creatively solve. How can I take that
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: scene from that location?
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Maybe I could come. That part of it, I liked.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: The money part of it, I did not like.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: That's a whole different thing, yeah.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but we got our little movie made and we
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: sold it to Sony. We never made back all the money.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: We overspent.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, looking back now, because Shane, he's made a
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: bunch of, it's kind of become his thing.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: He does these $ 2 million action movies.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: And we talk about where we could have cut corners
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: and saved money on Bloodworth. But yeah, it was an
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: absolute labor of love that I adapted the screenplay. I
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: produced it with Shane. We ran out of money, so
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: one of my songs is the closing credit song, the
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: second one. I went, well, I know where we can
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: get one more song.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I can get you a deal on it.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I have the publishing. So anyway, yeah, it was a
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: true labor of love.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: That's an amazing cast, though. I mean, Chris Gustafsson, Dwight Yoakam,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Val Kilman, Barry Corbin.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, still hear from Barry every now and again. And
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: I stayed in touch with Chris. I hosted a big
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: tribute to Chris. I hosted two of them, actually. Hosted
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: one in Nashville at the big arena on his birthday
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: in 2016. And then the Outlaw Country Cruise, Chris's memory
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: had gone at that point. And he only performed twice
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: more after that. He performed on the cruise, and then
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: we did a tribute on the cruise that we sang
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: his songs. So anyway, yeah, getting to befriend so many
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: of my heroes. I'm a big music nut, and there's
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: posters on my wall of people whose posters I had
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: on my wall as a kid, and I'm friends with them.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: There's ZZ Top.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: I was friends with Dust, and I'm good friends with Billy.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: So yeah, this career has afforded me a lot of
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: wonderful things in my life.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I was gonna see how Chris was
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: to shoot with because yeah, I saw probably right after that.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: I think it was around that same time. They did
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: a showing at the Kentucky Theater and they were doing,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I think it was Pat and Billy the Kid and
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: they were doing a showing of it and brought him in.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: It was sort of like a fundraiser and they brought
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: him in. But he really didn't even do Q & A.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: It was just sort of an introduction. And I think
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: his wife was super protective at that point.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: The dementia was really starting to set in. He was
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: having problems remembering his lines when we were doing the movie.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: And he talked about it. Yeah, he talked about it.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: And then there was a progression of the dementia. Yeah.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: And he had stopped doing movies because not only couldn't,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: he couldn't remember like his blocking. And they did one
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Western with, I think Trace Adkins was in it, that
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Chris was in. And like on set, he couldn't remember
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: his blocking. So that was the end of the movies.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: And then his songs, because, you know, the music stays
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: with dementia patients the longest.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: So he sang as long as he could. But yeah.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: He still pulls it off, though, because he's a badass
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: in the movie. He's like pushing 80, and I still
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: feel like he would kick your ass.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: He said, after the movie came out, he said, he goes,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: I think I've been involved with three great films in
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: my career.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I think the three best was the Pat Garrett, you know,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: that was the one that the Peckinpah did.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And it's great.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: He said, Pat Garrett, Lone Star and Bloodworth. Those are
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: my favorites. And I'm like, oh, fuck, that's pretty high cotton.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an impressive lineup there, man.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: I just bought the Criterion 4K version of Lone Star.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I haven't watched it yet. It's been a while.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I need to revisit it because it's so impressive.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's so well written. It's so good. And the
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: fact that John Sayles can't even get a movie made,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: that's fucking criminal.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Well, again, somebody who, once again, came from just schlocky B-movies,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: and he's got that in him. He's like, no, I'm
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: a writer. I can do this. You just wait.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: He took money from doing a rewrite on Piranha and
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: used to make the Secaucus 7.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's put out some great stuff over the years.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know him.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: I've met him once in passing. He was one of
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: those filmmakers I really wanted to work with. But yeah,
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: I heard now he just writes movies.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: That's the only time I've seen him. He was actually
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: at a bookstore here. He did a reading from his
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: latest novel and was just kind of selling signed books.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: That's the last time I've seen him out in the world. Well,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: I guess if you're ready, we can get into the
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: movie that we are discussing.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: That leads around.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: This was one of those movies that I honestly think
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: it's one of the funniest films ever made. If I
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: had to come up, if I had to come up
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: with a top 10 of my favorite comedies ever, that
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: animal house.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Is number one.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Big Lebowski is number two. And Cedar Rapids would be
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: way up there. Cause I've, I've watched it probably half
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: a dozen times over the years. It's one of those
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: movies when, when somebody comes over and we're hanging and like, if,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: The Accountant is that short film that Walton Goggins and
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Ray McKinnon won the Oscar for.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: I have a copy of it. Like, oh, my God,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: you haven't seen The Accountant? You haven't seen Cedar Rapids?
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, it's criminal, the marketing of that movie. It
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: just disappeared because that movie would have played mainstream. You know,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: it's not like it's some quirky little art film. It's
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: laugh out loud funny and could have it and should
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: have broken through to the mainstream.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: But most people never even heard of it.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: That was, yeah, that was my first question is, yeah,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: why this movie? And because it's this good, really.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: But I don't think I don't think we've spoken the title.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: It's Cedar Rapids starring Ed Helms and John Reilly and
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Anne Heche and Isaiah Kemp.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Whitlock.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: I'll do the rundown here.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Our unsung cinema feature is Cedar Rapids. The year is 2011.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: The director is Miguel Arteta. And the plot, according to IMDb,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: is Tim Lipp has no idea what he's in for
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: when he's sent to Cedar Rapids, Iowa to represent his
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: company at an annual insurance convention where he soon finds
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: himself under the guidance of three convention veterans. So that's
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: not bad. So spoiler alert, I suppose we're going to.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: dig into this so but yeah i think as you
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: as you suggested it i i was like i think
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: i remembered the title but even then i was like
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: mixing it up with three other movies that are kind
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: of similar titles so it's like yeah i i think
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: that's a huge oversight on their part you have especially
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: to have that cast like once again talk about like
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: an amazing cast of like comedy it.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Wasn't too far removed from stepbrothers you know at the
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: peak of his career Yeah.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: And he's, you know, the number two or three on it.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Number two, Deansy. Yeah.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: And Ed, Chris, it was the first time Ed had led,
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: to my knowledge, was the first time he was the
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: lead in a movie.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: And I think that was post-Hangover. Yeah, it was. It
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: had to be. 2011.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: So the fact that they've got one of the leads
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: of The Hangover and one of the leads of Step
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Brothers and Talladega Nights and all that.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, every comedy that came out at that point.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: So whoever released and marketed that film, fucked up.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, just, yeah. I mean, Stephen Root, Kirtwood Smith,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Ali Shaw, Thomas Lennon, briefly. But there's so many... impressive
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: people kind of scattered in here and yeah it's it's
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: just weird that yeah you really haven't heard anything about.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: It But you mentioned, Stephen, you know, like Office Space
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: was a failure when it came out in the movie theaters.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. And then it kind of found its audience
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: over the years.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Kind of for that same reason. Like, they didn't know
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: what to do with it. Like, studios were like, how
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: do we market this? And who's the target audience? And, like,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: it took people just discovering it on their own on
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: VHS and on cable. And they were like, wait, no,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: this movie's brilliant.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: So, so yeah, but, but Cedar Rapids has never found its,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: its audience. So if you're listening to this and you
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: haven't seen it, highly recommend you go watch it.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also surprising, like, because as you said, it
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: definitely works as a comedy because it's also like, it
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: has no problem being massively vulgar and it works in
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: nudity and it like works in drug use and drinking
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: and like, so it's not a, it's not a safe
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: kids comedy or anything. It's not family friendly, but at
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: the same time, it's got. so much heart that it's
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: like kind of amazing that they balance those two because
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: by the end like that's the part that kind of
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: won me over it's like it's surprising like i was
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: like oh yeah i forgot like Everything John C. Reilly
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: says for most of the movie is just horribly inappropriate.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: But by the end, you're like, man, I love that guy.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the difficulty.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: He's this lovable asshole that you really realize by the
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: end of the movie, he's not that big of an asshole.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: He's still an asshole. But that's really hard to pull off.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: And you pull off the heart of it. And I
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: didn't know Isaiah. I've known his work over the years.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: um isaiah whitlock uh who just passed away.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: He's maybe the best character like his his delivery is
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: just so amazing like it's just so funny.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Him and ann i i did a reading once with
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: ann so i knew her in passing um but you
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: know both those guys have passed away yeah so watch
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: the movie in memoriam but definitely.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, it's surprising how much by the end of it, like,
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: we get through and you see, like, you see this
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: little core group again, this little, like, makeshift family for
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: a weekend. And, like, they've barely spent any time together,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: but they found all this, like, important life-changing, you know,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: you didn't expect that. I certainly didn't going into this. And, like,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: even seeing the trailer going, okay, I kind of see
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: where they're going. But, like, it ends up really kind
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: of having heart that you didn't expect. even in the
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: middle of this crazy, like, you know, plot to take
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: bribe money more or less. It's got all these other
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: like things that kind of could distract you from that
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: along the way, but it doesn't like by the end,
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: you're still just totally roped into this, this performance.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: And that's the thing that, that work, the plot works
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: so well within the context of the humor that that's
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: the thing with, with like, well, something about Mary. I mean,
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: I think something about Mary is one of the, you know,
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: I think it's the Farrelly brothers greatest movie. Yeah. And
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: I love their first three. I love Dumb and Dumber
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: and I love Kingpin. But like Dumb and Dumber, the
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: crime plot that kind of drives.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: It sort of works.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: But it's not really important.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: But in some of their later movies, like Me, Myself
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: and Irene, I didn't believe the plot.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: I didn't believe it.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: And hence, I found a lot of the humor didn't
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: land for me because it didn't feel genuine. But that's
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: the thing about Cedar Rapids is the plot that's at
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: the middle is completely believable.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: And Ed, you know, being suckered into that and having
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: his own sense of ethics that he's trying to stand
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: up for. It works and it works at every level.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: But still, it's just really fucking funny.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: He's so simplistic that like for a while I'm like,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I can even get on board.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Like he's so standoffish and. And he wins you over.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: But that's the thing of, as I was talking about earlier,
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: about growing up in my small town, for anyone that
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: doesn't know the movie, he plays, he works for this
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: really small town independent insurance agents. And they have their
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: annual state conventions in Cedar Rapids and Well, they send
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: him along to get the five diamond plaque award. But
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: they're really kind of using him. He's never been on
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: an airplane. Going to Cedar Rapids is a big deal
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: for him. He's this small town rube. So he's all excited.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: And then they're in some cookie cutter suburban hotel that's
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: hosting it. And that's where he runs into, he was
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: warned about this Dean Z guy, which is John C.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: And then So, you know, madness ensues. It's his wild
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: lost weekend.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Watching him react to stuff is kind of the funniest.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Him getting his cheesy rental car going, sweet.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: And looking at that like dated hotel that looks like
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: it would have been remodeled twice since then. And you're like, wow,
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: this is like Barbados.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: But again, I know people like that. I know people
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: that have never left Murray. Now, Murray, hell, Murray's a
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: big town for a lot of folks. It's a town
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: of about 30,000 people, including the college that's there.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: That's my hometown, Murray State's there.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of the city too, yeah.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: But that's why I'm friends with SG Goodman, the singer, songwriter,
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: and she lives in Murray. She's from Hickman, Kentucky, which
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: is really out in the sticks.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: She lives not far from my mom, actually. But she said,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: she goes, yeah, man, Murray's as big a city as
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: I want to live in. When I got signed, started
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: making records, I said, you need to live in Nashville.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: And she went, I went there. I lasted about two months.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: Murray is as big a city as I want. I'm thinking, Murray,
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: a city?
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Really? You know?
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Louisville's pushing it.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: But yeah, but those.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: Folks, like, again, and I went to high school with
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: some people like that.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: But at its core, You know, Ed's.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Character in that movie is a good person that having
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: new life experience.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: So the craziest part, the most unbelievable part is Ed
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: hooking up with Sigourney Weaver. And it's not really a
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: healthy relationship, we'll say, because he still refers to her
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: as his teacher, Miss Vendor. He still treats her like
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: it's his teacher. I'm like, yeah, that's a little weird.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: He has a one-nighter with his old teacher, yeah.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: And is, like, completely in love with her. So, yeah,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: you can see, like... And then before the weekend is over,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: he's told Allie that he loves her. And, like, he
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: immediately falls in love with any woman that comes along. But, yeah,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: it's surprisingly well put together. And then I went back
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: and looked at the director, Miguel, like... I also saw
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: his first movie in the theater. I remember going to
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: see Star Maps and did not realize that was him.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: I remember that being really well put together. It's an
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: indie movie, but it definitely was kind of smartly written
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: and you don't really see the budget that much. He
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: kind of knew his limitations and knew how to work it.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: I think Cedar Rapids, wasn't that his second film? Wasn't
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: it like the momentum of Star Maps got him the
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: money to do Superman?
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: I was looking at the list. He did other stuff.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: I think indie-wise, Chuck and Buck kind of got a
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: good amount of push. I remember that at the time.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: People talked about that for indie movies.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: That's him?
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: With Mike White?
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then the other one I remember.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I did know that. I did know that, yeah.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: And then I was the good girl. I remember seeing
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: that in the theater and seeing that going, wow, Jennifer
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Aniston turned in like a really good performance. Like I
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: didn't expect her to show up for this low budget movie,
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: but like.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: So as time went on, he does like much more mainstream.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: He does like your Alexander and the terrible, horrible, no good,
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: very bad day. And he does yesterday. And like, so
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: he does stuff that's way more mainstream, big budget stuff
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: as time goes on. But, yeah, I think that this
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: part in the middle here where he's making these indie
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: movies and bringing in some good cast, like it's, I
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: think you can see it because this one, this one
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: holds up.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: See, that's why if, if, if, if I could make
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: a living and you know, I, that, that's right up my,
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: the kind of stuff I would prefer to do.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Quirky, weird, out of the way kind of things. Yeah.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: But you know, you just can't make the same money.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: And I still, I, I, I have a, for the
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: first time in my life that I'm on a hit
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: TV show and we're being treated as such. And, um,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: it's a CBS show. It's, it's, and as I said,
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: we're in a box. I know that it's a CBS
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: crime procedural produced by Bruckheimer, but within the box, we
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: can still tell interesting stories until still be honest.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Um, so the, the, uh, I have.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: Found the work to be very rewarding actually, but still my,
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: my heart and soul, like this hiatus, uh, because it's
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: kind of boosted my career profile.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: And I've told my agents that what.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: I want to do during hiatus is something like a
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: Cedar Rapids. It's some kind of indie movie that I
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: get to carry a big chunk of it. And so,
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm still on the lookout for that sort
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: of a thing.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Did you enjoy the writing process on the previously mentioned movie?
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Do you want to create those yourself or just find
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: something that works?
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Um, it, it depends. Actually, I have a horror film.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: Now, if I had my druthers of anything, there's a
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: horror film that I wrote that I could, I don't
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: want to direct it. I shouldn't, it deals with race
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: and there's a young director that, that is, uh, has the,
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: understands it and the right sensibility. I'd love to work
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: with him on it when inspiration strikes. Um, I mean,
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: and I'm actually, I've been typing on, I'm doing an
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: adaptation of a play to a screenplay. that hopefully we
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: can raise some money to do. It's 400,000 is what
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: his budget is. So I'm hoping next high, and I
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: am in that because I did the play. I did
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: the play readings. And I'm the one who said, this
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: should be a movie. And you could do this movie
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: for not much more money than it would take you
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: to fully produce a play. So yeah, I just, when
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: the muse speaks to me, when I get inspiration, then
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: I write.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Um, what was it?
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: Dorothy Alice or Dorothy Parker said, I think it was her.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: She goes, I don't like writing. I love having written.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: It's hard fucking work, man.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: That was my takeaway. It's like, I've done writing. I
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: started writing before the audio. And like, when I think
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: back now and I go like, I could do, ah,
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: That was a lot of work. It just felt like work.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: Stories molded my life, whether I heard them via song,
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: whether I watched them on a silver screen, whether I
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: read them in a book. I think storytelling is a
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: sacred part of existence. It's how we understand who we are.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: and who others are. Going back to that kid that
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: said to me about The Last of Us, of seeing
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: himself in a video game.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: That matters.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: And I feel blessed and full of gratitude to be
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: able to have made a living doing this, telling stories.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Because at the end of the day, that's what we're doing.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: And hopefully they're good stories that have an impact on people.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: And as far as doing my TV show now, I
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: look back at I watch a lot of memorable entertainment television,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: you know, the old shows that, that I grew up
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: on and some.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Of them, you know, like Mannix late at night, my, my,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: My parents would watch Mannix. I hated Mannix. Well, now
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: I kind of like watching Mannix.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: You're diving into my nighttime viewing, because there's that triple
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: threat there. You've got Mannix, and then you've got Cannon,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: and then you follow it up with, what's the.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Don't forget his follow-up, Jake and the Fat Man.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Well, that's another one. That's one I didn't realize.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: He's from Louisville.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, Frank Conrad, or Frank Cannon?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Cannon, yeah. That's another one I looked into. I
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: was like, what else was he in? And he's in
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: a ton of stuff. And he's in, there's like an
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: old film noir movie I've got that he's in that
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: he's a little slimmer.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: But those, I mean, looking back, especially like the Adam
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: 12s and the Drag Nets, those are really bad.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: It's bad on TV. But it's still, we watched it
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: as a family.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: And I have such wonderful, and that's what watching those
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: old shows brings back to me. Now, some of them
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: you watch, like All in the Family. Those are brilliant,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: and they still hold up.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, surprisingly well-written stuff.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: So I don't look down my nose at things that
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: are popular or entertaining.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: I had Kiss posters here.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: Kiss was just big, dumb fun, and I loved it.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: Musically, it wasn't the Beatles. They wanted to be. It
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: wasn't Pink Floyd. but it still mattered to me at
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: that point in my life. And so all of that
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: being said.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: I, I, I love quirky, weird, independent things, but I
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: also love mainstream broad playing things because they all have
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: their role. And, you know, I have, I, I, I
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: said something once and I'm, and I felt bad afterwards.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: I met this girl. She wanted me to sign.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: She was a big charmed fan, and that was not
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: a good experience to me, and I made some snide
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: comment about Charmed, about working on it, and it's not
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: like I sent her away in tears, but, you know,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: I kind of poo-pooed it, and then, and I thought,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: that's kind of a dick move of me, because that
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: show meant a lot to her, you know, it meant
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: a lot to 12-year-old her, and I talked, again, I
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: talked about it, it's not like but I'm still thinking, Oh,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: what a piece of shit that was. Um, you know,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: but just because it wasn't to, to my taste or
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: my liking. Um, and the experience was, that was when
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: they were all at each other's throats.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: It wasn't, it wasn't just you. I feel like a
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: lot of people on that show had some issues.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: They were.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And, and Shannon bless her. She was, she was
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: a very, let's just say a very unhappy person. Um,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: So but anyway, but that fan experience and that was
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: at a con that I check myself. I'm like, don't
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: be a dick, dude. I'm speaking to myself. You know,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: that show mattered to that fan. So don't look down
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: your nose at it. And so I learned a lesson
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: from that. And if now if there is occasionally there's
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: something will come.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Along and I'm like, no, I don't like this. I
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: don't want to be a part of this. And I'll
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: say no. Um, but if, if I say yes, then
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: I'm committed. I remember, you know, I've worked with actors
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: that went early in.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: My career and I'll name him because he's just, I
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: love the novel, The Firm, and they were going to
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: be shooting in Memphis. And I was doing Rookie of
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: the Year with Busey, with Gary Busey. Busey, exactly what
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: his public persona is.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: He's still putting out videos. My friend keeps sending them
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: over going, look, look what he's doing now. Like he
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: just makes crazy videos now.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: He was, he was never mean to me personally. When
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: he got into Chicago, he met some musician friends of mine.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: He would go jam with them at the China club.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Like all my buddy Earl. So Earl was cool. Cause
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: musician guys, but he was really kind of a dick
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: to other people on, on the movie. And he didn't
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: want to be there and made it obvious on rookie
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: of the year.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: Um, But as the movie ended, it's like our last day.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: And he said, somebody said you're a big fan of
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: the firm.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, he asked me. He said, come to my trailer.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: I need to talk to you about something. So I'm going, OK.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: So go ahead. He said, you're big. I said, yeah, man,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: I love that book. I've read it twice. And he said, yeah,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do the movie. I'm actually going from
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: here down. I said, yeah, I know. Man, I tried
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: everything to get an audition. He goes, yeah, what's the
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: book about? I'm like, huh?
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: He goes, look, I haven't read it. I went, you
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: haven't read the book. You haven't read the script. I
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: haven't read either of them. What's the story?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you, you haven't even bothered to read the
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: script and you're going next week to start work on it.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: And, and I vowed like, I'm not going to be
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: that guy.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to be, um, you know, I've, I've
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: taken jobs cause I needed the paycheck, but I'm like,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: if you hire me, you, you deserve the best of
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: my attention because and the best that I can do
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: with the job that you task me with.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to give it 100%.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: I don't care if I'm playing in Park League softball
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: or Major League Baseball. So those are what I picked
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: up of like, well, I don't want to be like that.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: So I'm not going to be like that.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just at least be professional about it and do
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: what you're there to do. But yeah, you can also
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: kind of go above and beyond that when it's stuff
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: that you're really invested in.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've only really encountered a few actors that were
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: like that, that they were above the material.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: So, fuck them.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: That's the best advice, really. Well, I'm glad you brought
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: up your current show, because that was kind of how
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: I was going to let people, you know, send them
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: off with the, they should go check it out, because I've,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: before I even knew this was coming together, I've been,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: I'm well in on season two, and have been from
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: the beginning, and You know, I was watching Fire Country
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: and it's fine.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: Ours is Sheriff Country. They introduced me on Fire Country. Yeah,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: I was going to say. And then they spun us off. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was watching Fire Country and it was all right.
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  Speaker 2: But I so much prefer Sheriff Country. Like, I think
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  Speaker 2: there's just so much more to it. And it's just
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  Speaker 2: got such a good dynamic with the family that you
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  Speaker 2: guys have built.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you. And it's difficult, I will say, in
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  Speaker 1: their favor.
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  Speaker 3: It's difficult because, okay, with a crime show, there's crime everywhere,
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  Speaker 3: all the time, every day, small town, big city, everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: In Fire Country, they got to have a fire in
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: every show.
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  Speaker 2: That's what, after a while, became so crazy. I almost
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  Speaker 2: start blaming the guys. I'm like, everywhere you guys go,
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  Speaker 2: something's on fire. Stop.
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  Speaker 1: So the premise alone paints them in a storytelling corner.
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  Speaker 2: It really does. But yeah, I like that you guys
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  Speaker 2: don't have that. You kind of just tell your story.
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  Speaker 3: Genuinely, everybody in that cast are good people. And they're
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  Speaker 3: great actors. And like Morena, I love working with her.
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  Speaker 2: She's so good.
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  Speaker 1: She went to Juilliard. Everybody on the show has actually
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  Speaker 1: had formal training. Yeah. But she's a wonderful actress.
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  Speaker 3: And we joke about, yeah, we both get to play
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: out our own little personal psychodramas in some of those
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: father-daughter scenes. Not with my daughter, but generations before me.
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  Speaker 1: Generational trauma.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and Amanda's so good too. Like the relationship between
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  Speaker 2: you and she's playing your granddaughter and like that dynamic
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  Speaker 2: is just so good. And like, I know what wins
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  Speaker 2: you over.
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  Speaker 3: She was, well, the first scene we had was the
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: big thing with the bees, you know, the setup where
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: the money, you know, her boyfriend to steal that money.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: So he gets stung by my bees, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 3: But we were, Chad just really just met her. And
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: we're chatting beforehand and she was talking about Marin on this.
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  Speaker 3: And again, we've all had formal training and she hasn't.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: And she said, you know, I got cast in Degrassi
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: when I was in high school. And it was kind
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: of like, I'll try this. And she goes, and I
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: got in it. And she goes, I've had acting classes,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: but I don't really have, you know, formal training.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, then we did that scene. And when we finished
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: the scene, as we're wrapping out, I leaned over to her.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: I went, remember the conversation we had this morning in
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: the green room?
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I said, you don't need it.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking. As you said that, I
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: was like, she hasn't? Because I'm like, she's so good.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Don't go to formal training and let it spoil what
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: you have going because you got it. Definitely.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, if people are not watching it, definitely check
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: it out because I'm just really enjoying it. It's a
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: great show.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Anything else you want to tell people to check
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: out or look for you out there in the world?
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: I don't... Well, Hacks Season 5 is coming up, the
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: final season.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: I did... three episodes of that um those are the
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: only things that i they have in the can that.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: That aren't out yet so all right well definitely keep
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: an eye out for you you are again you're in
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: so many things over the years that yeah i've i've
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: got plenty of other stuff we could talk about so
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: you're welcome to come back anytime but thanks.
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  Speaker 3: Man well if you make your way over to sensi
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: for horror hound look me.
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  Speaker 2: Up definitely And otherwise, thank you for coming along on
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: this cinematic journey. And to everybody else out there, thanks
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: for listening.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: All right. Later.
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