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It's another episode of the Christian we've podcast.
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and enjoy this episode. Hello and welcome to another
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episode of the Christian we've podcast.
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Today's guest is a podcaster and radio host, all the way from
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Connecticut in New York and the United States.
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His name is build reverse key. Welcome to the show, Bill.
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How you doing? I'm doing good things for having
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me. Thank you for agreeing to do
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this. I'm just going to go jump
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straight into this actually because I'm quite fascinated.
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I had to kind of say, here's the thing that I do list is of the
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show, mine unnoticed but I have like a giant Stack of research
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notes for all my different guests and obviously I do these
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way in advance, right? So the last time I looked at
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this piece of paper was probably about a month ago so I'm kind of
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like you know, and trying to remember get my Freight in my
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mind back in the game source, so to speak.
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And the first thing I noticed when I was doing my research, is
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that you have a obviously a podcast, which isn't, you know,
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some mind-boggling thing. But you also have a radio show
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and I was like, huh? This is interesting because this
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is the first time I've interviewed someone who has a
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radio show and I'll be honest, I'm a little bit sort of
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confused by this concept so yeah like you're the host of this
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show it's called the way podcast and it also airs live on the
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radio in Connecticut in New York.
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So it's a local radio station over there so that what drove
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you to actually create a podcast version of the show and what
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topics do you normally discuss on the show?
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Sounds good. Yeah, first thing you have like
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a notebook there. That's like paper, some papers.
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Oh dude. Yeah.
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I mean this is a calendar. So okay, never explained this
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before. So I have like a physical
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calendar that I use as well as my phone calendar because I
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booked so many guests in and and other things as well, it's not
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just podcast, it's just things in general and because I never
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remember like I usually will all know that I have something to do
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on that day, but yeah, I just find it easier.
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That way the phone gives you the alert but having it in a
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physical calendar. I don't know.
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I'm old-fashioned, I like that. But the actual notes is
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interesting because when I started doing it I used to use
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it as like. Oh this is like the Bible, you
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know, I have to ask every single question and I'm lost without it
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but now I use it more as a guide you know I don't get too
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worried. If I don't ask all of the
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questions sometimes I don't you know really depends and also one
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thing I try to do which I would say most podcasts do this, not
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all. But you know, most of them do
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which is, if a guest starts talking about something that
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you've already got. Maybe two thirds of the way down
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in your questions. Let it roll.
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Just make a quiet marker to cross that off or maybe to sort
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of just, you know, allow that sort of questioning if you're
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not a meaning and ask all the questions that are related to
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that, because I've noticed and this is something that I wanted
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to eliminate straight away was not.
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What sort of going back and forth.
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So like if someone is in, you know, sort of a dialogue and
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there in that flat 20 minutes and you go.
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Okay, yeah, that's great. And then, let's go back to where
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we were 20 minutes ago. It's a bit annoying.
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I think, as a listener, you would be annoyed to hear that.
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I don't know. It would bug me.
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So that's just why I do that. Oh, definitely are some shows,
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were like, they'll go on this crazy tangent and I'm like,
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please ask about that. That sounds really interesting,
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and the host just brings out all the way back and it's like,
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you're gonna skip that the guy just In the plane that crashed
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three times or something like exactly exactly that.
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Nothing frustrates me more than when twin hosts do that.
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Like, I'm fully onboard with that, I'm always listening and
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thinking, right? What would the listener want to
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know about what would they want to hit that?
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Obviously, I'll be as a bit selfish, it's my podcast.
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I can ask what I want. So I will ask, you know what I'm
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interested in but I will try to think about.
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Maybe that would be interesting this probe that let's go a bit
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further there. Why?
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Why again, I don't know. Like I feel like that's probably
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Especially if you're doing an interview is probably the most
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important element of it is, is the inquisitive nature of it.
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So, yeah, and yeah, just going back to what we were saying
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that, that element of it is jarring.
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I think you had definitely with my show.
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That's the number one thing I had to pick up.
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I have a researcher who will give me like a nice set of
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research that I'll read through. Then I'll put my own little
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questions down, so I have them to ask but like, I don't know if
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you can see it, my nose just become like this chaotic sort of
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nest. All over the page like that's
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what my that's what my notes used to look like and also look
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like if I try to do, I don't know if I'm trying to do
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something and paired like I don't know when I was at
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University, that's how my notes would look like.
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Because it's like, you're trying to pay attention and do that,
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you can't do both. I mean, it's normally it's like
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you jot something down like or they'll be useful for Clips or
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that'll be no, remember that thing?
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Check out that thing. I don't know.
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Then when you look at it after it's just like what?
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I don't understand any of Of this, like, what the fuck?
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But as a show is going like, the bottom right is like, oh this
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topic in the top left this, and then I cross off and scribble,
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with arrows, and it looks like No One's Gonna Get this for
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reference, but it looks like the 17 album by tent, asean.
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Pitch, is that? That's your show.
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So yeah, you're the host of the way podcast and like I said
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before it's airing live on the radio in Connecticut in New York
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but yeah, I really want to know why you chose to do a podcast
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version of the show and what are the sort of main things that you
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tend to discuss on the show? Sounds good.
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So yeah. Well originally I went to a
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local radio station because I'm an engineer myself and I like
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the audio sound engineer. Mechanical.
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I'm actually trying to switch into sound like an audio
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engineering. Okay, so I'm in that process but
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because of this and like the show and how much I've come to
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enjoy it but with the radio I just want to learn the
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soundboard. I want to find the editing and
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maybe do some work for them, but then I decided to take a course
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with them. I get trained to go on the
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radio. So I start doing the radio and I
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said, well, I can easily plug a USB into one of these big
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computers. Take the file and upload for
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podcasting because Was like with music, no way, really listens to
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music on the radio. You just use Spotify or apple
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music or whatever. So streaming is sort of
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replacing the radio industry, you say that.
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But I mean, people driving that causal day and before you say it
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yes. Cause do have Bluetooth and
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stuff and you can obviously listen to your stuff in the car
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but not everyone wants to know, everyone has a need Spotify, you
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know, like I've been counting Is cause here in the UK where
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people just have the radio on whatever, they don't even think
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about it like D, do not think. Maybe there's still some value
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in radio. I mean, maybe it's different in
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the states. I don't know.
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But Yeah, so I guess I'm not tried this respect the radio
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industry because he's still. Does I still love them on the
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radio? I saw upload on the radio and
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people that are still listening from the radio for that reason
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you just said it's still popular and it's still it's going to
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remain for a while. I'm not worried about that
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audience going away but podcasting I think every year
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has gone up for like the past 10 years.
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This let's talk about a little bit about the format because
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obviously you said like or his or not You need to just, you
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know, I'm already doing this, maybe I'll use this and use it
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for a podcast and it's not, okay, but the rules are
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different because obviously a typical radio show tends to
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follow, you know, your standard format similar to a podcast.
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But, you know, maybe you have coolers in on the show.
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Maybe you have, you know, ad breaks all of these things.
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So, are you doing like a lot of editing to kind of make it into,
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you know, a podcast or is there no end editing involved, like
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talk to us about the format of Gonna turn that show then into
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something that you can use as a podcast.
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Yeah, definitely. So, first things first, send
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some as you can see on my studio right now, I'm actually right
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next to my bed in my bedroom saying that my boat, my crib,
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there you go. But the because since March, the
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studio has been closed because of covid, right?
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And even though I think you could put glass barrier between
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some of the microphones and they could make Work.
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They just chose not to so expensive covid.
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Keeping the place running or it could be that too.
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They did offer to ship equipment.
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Each post house or whatnot. Oh cool.
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But then you have to sort of sort of share and I didn't want
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to deal with the hassle so I just got my own stuff.
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But yeah, but for the studio, I guess it sounds different is
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before covid. I would are live like once I
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spoke into the microphone, there's a Seven second delay.
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And it would be right in the somebody's car wherever they
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have an antenna. And yeah, you could have callers
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call in the soundboard. Was a great tool.
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I could like maybe click some buttons, have some audio little
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Clips fly in and whatnot but now because of covid it's definitely
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become more podcast focused and then it airs on the radio too
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because it's dreaming. And for that reason is because
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now that I'm back in my place I edit every I'm able to critique
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maybe like clean up the audio. I'm a ver able to.
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Well I'm not able to swear now because before I could swear it
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was after 10:00, I could say whatever.
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Can I swear here? Yeah, I've already swollen so
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yeah, you can. Yeah I'm trying not to I'm
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trying my best because what I'm trying to do is, eventually I
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want this to get like, you know, sponsors and all that stuff, but
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it's like he's a lot harder than you think to not swear, even if
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it's just because I don't consider dropping the F-bomb.
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Really is swearing. Oh, trust me I know about a
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month ago. Little Sidetrack Gaia.
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I fucked up and lets us worst go through an episode.
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I was I was interviewing Ken Lewis who basically he says
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producer and he was telling a story about like Eminem coming
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in and obviously Eminence were so as he's telling the story,
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mentions those squares and I forgot to edit that out and they
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had a whole meeting for me. Ha ha.
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Disciplinary me in something right.
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It was and I walk in thinking, like, no, I at every episode,
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they don't have anything on me. I don't know why you thought I
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swore like, all right, pull up the three clips and they but
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each clip. Yeah.
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As like I'm doing my best to have a flat face with my hands
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covering my mouth. Like I don't know how to defend
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that. At, I'm sorry.
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It's always, you know, it's always puzzled me because when I
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was growing up as a kid, you know, I was into things like
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wrestling and and, and just, you know, late night TV, I don't
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know, I suppose it depends on your parents and stuff.
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But point is you get exposed to swearing a lot.
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Like we were already swearing when we were like seven
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eight-year-old kid. Like I learnt swearing not, for
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my parents, but from other kids in the playground, that
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obviously, I would hear my mom, swear once, in a blue moon.
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But like, anyway, that's where I really learned.
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Swear was like, In the playground and the reason I
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bring that up, it's like, it's always kind of fascinated me
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this concept of like, oh, we can't swear, we mustn't.
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Swear, you know, it's really important, like in the UK we
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have a thing called The Watershed, right?
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Which is basically just like you show certain programming after
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like 9:00 p.m. or 10 p.m. or something.
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So before then no swearing, that's going to be a copy.
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Anybody adult themes, blah, blah blah.
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Then after that go nuts have a party but I don't know.
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It was It's always kind of struck me as a little bit, maybe
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immature to even have that as a rule.
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Like okay I understand certain swear words like if you're
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dropping the sea bottom and it's like midday that's a bit rough
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like maybe avoid that but like you know they mean like and and
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also there's a lot of like deliberation over what counts as
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a swear word. So like you said like bitch in
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the England. I've heard that in daytime
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television and that's apparently.
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Okay. But drop the F-bomb and suddenly
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you're like Public Enemy. Number One.
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Understand that like definitely a mom, but I was watching Family
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Guy, when I was like 13 and even though, like, I lips words get
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bleeped out. They definitely say stuff that
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is much worse than swears. He was interested about that as
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well. Is that Family Guys edited a lot
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for the UK audience. So like that Family Guy is shown
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quite late at night like in the UK as like 11 p.m. or something,
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but they cut out loads of stuff because it wasn't until I got
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like the DVDs. Years later.
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And I heard them dropping like, the sea bottom and stuff as I.
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Whoa, I never heard this before, and it's like, yeah, they edit
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heavily for the English audience.
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And I just found that fascinating because I always
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took America as being the country that was like, I guess
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more sense that, you know, like for instance when you guys say
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like ass, that's a parent like a big deal, but here, I don't
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know, it's kind of funny and we say it differently as well as it
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ass instead, we even spell it differently as well.
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But whatever. Seminar in English like isn't
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arse? Yeah, that's what I mean when we
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say both but like we more often than not will say arse.
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Yeah. So anyway, as bring about to
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your podcast, so that what kind of topics are you?
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You sort of talking about on this show, generally what's it
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for. So it's just a radio but like
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was also conversations, like, yeah.
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So what I like to do is be In like three words, it's talking
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with experts, but basically I like to do a blend between 60
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Minutes or Joe Rogan where like people who are experts in their
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topic, I sit down and talk with them.
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So, for example, a journalist spent seven years in Colombia
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where you wrote a book on cocaine.
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So I had him. Come on the show to talk about
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what's cocaine like in Colombia or death row was a topic and
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inmate actually called in from death row for an episode.
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I talk to him. Oh wow.
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Yes, that was an interesting one and then woman was in the 2002.
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Finished women coup and talked about that, or even Ken Lewis
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producing music. So, as long as well, or even a
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flatter, their poo was an expert because he was on like, Netflix
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and stuff. And that's a different kind of
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expert, I think. But as long as you're an expert,
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I talk to the person. It's cool, it's cool.
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And what would you say some of the like major do's and do Nots
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of radio? Like it give us a bit of Of a
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like seminar on how to do a good radio show.
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Sounds good. It's very similar to podcasting
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is just like the service or how its listen to.
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But well, when you're in like the studio, I guess the big one
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is don't swear, but they have a dump button, it's called, so if
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you swear, you just press it. And somebody tuning in, we'll
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just here like seven seconds of Silence.
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That's the reason of that seven-second delay you go badly
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by And yeah, exactly. So like if I say a swear or make
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a mistake or my guest, does he has his own I'll be like click
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it click it right now, right now what that what and the why I
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told you about oh and I have seven seconds to get it done.
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Is there like a delay between what the audience at home is is
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hearing and then what's actually going on in the studio?
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Because I know there is with like television and a lot of the
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time that's done on purpose to eliminate that.
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So it gives the production team like a little bit of time to
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play. Live in case.
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There's something extremely happens, is it?
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Same with radio? Yeah, it's a seven-second delay.
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So like, when I'm speaking, maybe like another second, it
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takes to reach the car but the idea is seven seconds.
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Okay, cool, cool, cool. And yeah like aside from that is
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there any like things that you like really just shouldn't do
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with radio or like, particular things that you do to ensure
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that every time the show is as good as possible?
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Besides that, I have a lot of leeway.
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Basically, I can say whatever I want one thing that I like about
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the radio. A lot is because the studio.
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It's a lot more count. You're just sitting with the
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person the studio and you're able to talk about whatever or
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it's a lot more freestyle oriented but there's not really
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a dues or do not you basically allowed to say, at least with my
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station. You could literally say, like, I
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don't know if you could go, Team and say, like I'm gonna go shoot
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the president tomorrow, but I know I asked like an extreme
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that came to my head was after 10:00 able swear, say whatever
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you want. I was like, all right.
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What's the most extreme? I think of all right, I'm a
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white kid. Could I say the N bomb on the
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radio if I wanted to for whatever reason?
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And they said, yeah, really. Yeah, how was it Justified?
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That surely I mean I'm not going to do it, but they said, yeah,
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you can you get the freedom? You can clearly say that after
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10:00. Wow, that's interesting.
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Yeah, okay, I just wonder why I mean, it's still not okay to say
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that, who cares? If it's past 10:00 p.m., when I
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do always hit men in general? Is it like okay if we have a
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black guest on the show, for example, and he drops the n-bomb
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sort before 10 p.m. It's not, okay?
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But then after it's cool is that kind of went all like that judge
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is whether or not it'd be bleeped out or something.
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Like there's the FCC guidelines and once again to like hate
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speech or something, I think that's where like, then you
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can't say it. But if you're just saying a
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sentence and you just drop like that word, or it's still
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categorized as a swear word, like saying with the any
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derogatory term towards any other race or religion or
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something, you can still see it for that reason.
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Just when you start targeting saying like oh I hate those
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people or blah, blah, blah. That's where I have to check the
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guidelines. That's where you might get
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different interesting. Says more about intention rather
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than actual, just saying the word, which I think is more
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sensible. Anyway, because a word is just a
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word, but how you use it is obviously more important, you
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know what I mean? But anyway, do you tell us, what
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do you think of that? The key things that make a Good
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radio show. So not just your show but just
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in general. What would you say are the main
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things that make an excellent radio show.
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Yeah, so from like, my first episode like with everybody else
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is slowly changes a lot, you realize like what you're doing,
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right, what you're doing wrong. And the key thing I notice is
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like, basically effort, like, early on, it was all the
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research all. Well, there's still more
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research now, actually, but it's all like, let me ask these
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questions. Let me bring up these steps.
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These studies, this everything in formatted perfectly but
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people sort of just like to hear a conversation they it's not.
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It doesn't need to be to 60 Minutes.
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Like like every sentence is Extreme and important.
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It's very like that's why like nowadays I like the more Joe
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Rogan style where it's just talking to the person and
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they're still the research eyes. Now I'm uploading them on the
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each episode, on the website. So now I don't have to
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reference. I don't need to say the EPA.
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EPA says this percent, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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What do you think about this? It's just oh, apparently, this
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is going on. What do you think about this?
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Or like just more laid back? Like, that's the best approach I
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would recommend. That's what I'm aiming for with
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mine. Like I Joe Rogan is one of my
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biggest Inspirations as well and when I look at like my show
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format and the structure and everything and I'm just
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fascinated how he's able to do that.
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I just sit in a room with a guy or woman and he knows exactly.
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Lee, you know what to talk about?
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And obviously, he's got a team like, you know, he's got a bunch
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of people and stuff but I wonder like does he have that?
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Does he look through like a bunch of research before he sits
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down with a person? Or is it just kind of like he
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skims over that? And then he just focuses on what
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he knows and he just makes a conversation you know let me
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because I like sometimes it does come across as very random.
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Obviously. Some of its purposeful.
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He's going to ask specific things and also let the guard.
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Sorry the guest kind of say what they want to say.
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As well, like he gives the floor so to speak and like I try to do
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the same with mine, but I feel like sometimes, if I wouldn't
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have just those initial questions in research beside me,
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I'd feel like a loss. And I as long as I roughly
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understood, I think I could probably make it work.
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But the only times I've ever done that have been with repeat
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guests alike, Friends of the show people.
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I know I have like chemistry woven and we can do something
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with but I never want to get caught out just you know just go
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ah. Be this time.
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I'll try it without research and then that's the episode where
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it's just like loads of our being a narang and not knowing
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what to say, you know, oh definitely.
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I feel the exact same way and I would Joe Rogan.
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You could make the argument that he's either the dumbest person
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or the smartest person ever. I say he's the smart.
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I think he's a genius but he does ask like some dumb stuff at
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times. You're like seems whatnot.
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I think he intends on his guests, you know, I feel like
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he's a chameleon. Ian, you know what I mean?
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He definitely that's why. I think he's like a real smart
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guy for that reason because he can sit down with like Alex
22:18
Jones and like make sense there. But then you could sit down with
22:22
a raucous Hiatus and like make sense there.
22:25
Yeah, that's how she had very good point.
22:27
I see, that's something I do as well.
22:29
My show like, nope, perhaps not to the same extent.
22:32
I'm still it's very early days on the show.
22:34
I mean, I think we're like we're in the 80s now episode wise.
22:39
But when I look like I'm a moron, but you're able to make
22:41
this episode still sound good? Yeah, it would you mean sorry
22:45
I'm a moron, but you can make this episode sound good still
22:48
now you know, no more come on. Don't be like that.
22:51
No, no. Like what I'm saying is that
22:52
like every guest that you have in the show is different and
22:56
there's a couple of things that I always look for that.
22:58
I try to do. So like first and foremost, I
23:00
want my guests to feel comfortable because if you feel
23:03
comfortable you more inclined to speak and it's awkward, you're
23:06
talking to a stranger. Someone you don't know, you
23:08
don't know their Ender. You don't know what they're
23:09
about, you know, you don't know what's going on and I kind of
23:13
fully accept that people don't have the time to check out my
23:16
show beforehand because I barely have the time to check out what
23:20
other people are doing some too busy doing what I'm doing.
23:22
You know. So I fully I fully get so I
23:25
don't have long to kind of make that person feel comfortable and
23:28
get like a conversation going, you know I mean it's something
23:31
you have to do on the spot and and just hope you can charm the
23:34
pants off them maybe but every single person you meet is so
23:38
different. Some More introverted and yeah.
23:41
Okay, they're doing stuff which is public, but that doesn't mean
23:43
that you might not still be introverted.
23:46
I mean, me, and real life. I'm fairly laid-back.
23:49
I don't, I don't tend to start conversations much.
23:51
I can easily have conversations I can do that.
23:54
I'm happy to do that but I kind of prefer my own company, you
23:57
know? But I know there's other people
23:58
that are the life and soul of the party and, you know, I've
24:01
had them on the show before and to get back to my point, what I
24:05
tend to do is allow them to kind of just take take the Reigns as
24:10
far as like just guiding the conversation in terms of just
24:13
what they want to say. And all I really do is kind of
24:16
make sure it doesn't go too far off Kilda and every now and
24:20
again I might snap it back and be like, okay, back to this or
24:23
like, maybe I'll ask a question, just to kind of throw their mind
24:26
back in the game, you know, I mean, but it never really tends
24:29
to go like that. Like, I feel like a lot of the
24:31
time when people were doing these sorts of things, they're
24:33
very sort of cognizant of what's going on and they kind of know
24:36
the deal and, and, you know what I mean.
24:39
It kind of works. I like to go long form with this
24:41
anyway. So if it goes an hour, two
24:43
hours, three hours, whatever. Like I'm still gonna have to
24:46
clip it up and do some all that stuff with it later on, but the
24:49
actual finished product. I want it to kind of sound.
24:53
Yeah, natural, not too Jagged and as you said before, like,
24:58
you know, that kind of conversational Vibe.
25:00
I think that's, that's really important.
25:03
Yeah, and one thing I love with like, as like getting better
25:06
with the show early on, it would take me probably hours to like a
25:11
10 episode because there were so many little like stutters so
25:14
many little mistakes. So may like, ah, so I got crap
25:17
out that uh I gotta prep our ever use, copy this copy
25:20
paraphrase, blah blah blah even though like no way.
25:22
Listen Sokka, first ones. Yeah.
25:25
But nowadays it's just that's a concern of mine too if people
25:28
actually bother to listen to the earlier episodes.
25:31
I mean it's I think there's value in All of them.
25:33
But sometimes when I listen back and I hear they're like lack of
25:39
confidence, it's just like ah I could have done that so much
25:44
better. Definitely, that's why the
25:50
episode. I was like, bring up his, I
25:52
talked to a guy on death row and I'm proud of that.
25:55
But so but also was an early one.
25:58
So I'm always cautious like tune into it but like should Do I do
26:03
I want you to? I don't know how.
26:05
Well, it way. I think it went great but like,
26:07
it's still the same sort of, I don't know how smooth they went
26:10
back then. How much prep did they give you
26:12
before you did it? I don't know.
26:19
It's a female like a, we got time to like research at this
26:23
time. I had to do it all myself.
26:25
And I mean now no, probably have like a good amount of time.
26:28
I you should plan like a week ahead.
26:31
Now, how did the conversation go generally?
26:35
So yeah, it was a very sit down. It's interesting because he
26:40
calls him from Death Rows to hear like the phone call you
26:43
here. Like a sort of a what do you
26:45
call those ones? Like a payphone style phone
26:47
call. Oh, and about the 4-minute mark
26:52
in, I like it. That's when it hit me that I was
26:55
like talking to Ganda throat. Like it hit me, I got shocked
26:58
and there's like 15 seconds of Silence where I'm just like like
27:03
I can't even think of the next. Shin and luckily the guy then
27:07
end up taking and like just start talking about the book and
27:10
I was able to crop that out in the final release and the rest
27:13
of the episode went great. He talks a lot of facts, he
27:17
talks a lot about how the situation is and everything
27:20
around it. There's a great episode but like
27:22
that was still early on and still had that little.
27:27
I mean, thank you for post-process editing.
27:29
Put it like that. I think in those situations in
27:32
particular it's like That's not, that's a time when you don't
27:36
want to cut it, unless there's something extreme that you have
27:38
to cut out. Like, I don't know, like my
27:40
Approach towards editing, though, as always been like,
27:43
just do it, if it's absolutely necessary.
27:46
You know, I've had episodes where maybe the other person's
27:49
internet was terrible and you have to cut out, like, genuine
27:52
pieces of audio or video, or it's going for too long and it's
27:55
like, okay, yeah. Did this is just someone waiting
27:58
for the internet to get barreleye.
27:59
No one wants to hear or see. But the same time as you say, if
28:03
it's people going. I mean that's not true, but a
28:05
conversation, isn't it? If I sitting here cracking a
28:08
beer of you in real life? That's how it would be.
28:11
You know, I'm not gonna you know I think the key thing I've
28:16
learned throughout this time is like being prepared and having
28:21
information that you you're winning to talk about with that
28:24
person is enough. You don't have to worry about
28:27
like constantly having something to say because real
28:30
conversations aren't like that you know sometimes you even
28:32
sitting you have silence and And obviously, you can't do that
28:36
with a bug, guys, you have to keep it going but then that's
28:38
what questions for, you know? And and like I like to kind of
28:42
have a good understanding of my guests and their lives so that I
28:46
know the sort of questions I'm going to ad-lib as well because
28:49
I that's something I know I'm gonna do.
28:51
I didn't used to do that before but that over time has become a
28:55
thing and I'm sure you do it now more and more.
28:57
Now once you get more confident specially on radio, I imagine
28:59
it's something you just feel like, yeah, this should be good
29:02
that sauce. This, you know, And that's why I
29:05
like with the radio is I kind of got sort of thrown to the wolves
29:09
in the sense that you're live after your training and whatnot.
29:14
Your first episode is why so like, on a podcast, if you fuck
29:17
up you can like, oh, clean it up or whatnot.
29:20
On the radio is like you stutter.
29:22
You make a mistake, you gotta keep going, you can't stop that
29:26
actually leads me to my next question.
29:28
So other than that, what are some of the other key
29:31
differences between podcast and doing the radio?
29:34
Ow. So yes.
29:38
Like, that is freestyle. Swearing, you focus on.
29:45
I don't know. I mean, it's very much the same.
29:47
It's just the different medium. So like the radio, you got the
29:49
studio and you're able to get more locals while assume.
29:54
Well, that's why I like what podcasting you're able to Source
29:56
stream with people across the country across the world.
29:58
This is an example, and Besides that, I think it's just very
30:03
similar, she's a different kind of medium.
30:08
So like other than some of the things you've already
30:10
highlighted, what some of these some of your of a kind of like
30:14
best moments doing this radio show.
30:18
The favorite moments, maybe sounds good.
30:25
Let me actually see cuz sometimes I forget.
30:27
So like my favorite, well, I have a few favorites, but a
30:32
recent one was called a hatless hacker by talk to this guy
30:36
Alberto, Daniel Hill and he was in Uruguay and he was the first
30:40
hacker to be sent to prison. And basically, he had this whole
30:44
crazy story for people to listen.
30:47
Listen to the darknet Diaries. He was actually one of those
30:49
episodes and he was just such a great guy to talk to and I'm
30:53
still messaging it. I'm still in contact with them
30:56
to this day. Awesome.
30:59
So proud of that. Okay, let me do me.
31:01
A lot of people through food is doing this radio show.
31:04
Then yeah. I mean, I meet the people
31:11
through the radio station but a lot of the people I meet to
31:14
appear on the show or like social media like social media
31:17
by far is an amazing tool for this industry.
31:21
But people are also very excited to be on the radio because the
31:24
radio still does get a lot with since and I still for that
31:28
reason. When I talk to a guest they're
31:30
always very excited to see. Oh when does the air, what's the
31:33
station? And how tell them Wednesday
31:36
91.7? Because as the podcast is
31:39
growing, the radio still is my still my leading category of
31:43
like what my show is. And now I've spoken about some
31:48
of your favorite moments. Well, some of the worst moments
31:51
on the show things that you want to forget about, but we're going
31:54
to remind you because ye content, yes, I was great.
32:02
So I guess a different one was. I didn't interview with the.
32:07
She used to be a sex worker. And now she, she's like a
32:11
leading Advocate to legalize it. J.
32:14
And that episode. Yeah, it was a good episode is
32:18
she'll, but sometimes no matter what you do, you're not on the
32:21
same level with people. And that whole episode just felt
32:25
kind of off. Like I want to go in One
32:28
Direction that she goes in the other and then I make a joke,
32:31
but we're on. We don't have the same kind of
32:32
style of comedy and it's also like the episode is good but it
32:38
also not just felt something or oh no I didn't offend or
32:42
anything. It was just I guess awkward is
32:44
the best way to put it. Is there any other moments to
32:49
stick out for you? Or is that is that the worst of
32:51
the Heap? I'll say oh Look into a little I
32:57
think that's the worst. I am.
33:00
I'm in a join my show besides there.
33:01
And like the death row freezing up for like a mini cuz like
33:06
shocked. I think those are the words.
33:08
I have been so far lucky, I guess that's not see.
33:13
That's that's that's that's pretty pretty straightforward.
33:16
I do have one actually it was a great episode that was gonna
33:21
about guy who toured America and wrote a book and what About was
33:27
a conservation efforts, but then an audio issue happened.
33:31
And I lost that episode. I'm still really upset about
33:34
that. Oh, no, yeah, - devastating is a
33:42
whole like our, it ton of research behind it went great.
33:45
I was very happy with that one, too.
33:48
Oh my God. Got loads of questions now.
33:51
Well, firstly, I'm sorry to hear that.
33:53
Like, I've had a sip. I had asked.
33:56
Care one time where it was my mistake, about a couple of
34:00
times, there's been audio issues, because what I do is I
34:03
record with zoom, and I also record with a separate program,
34:08
right? And I found that's a good,
34:10
that's the best way, because if the zoom fails, hey, no worries,
34:13
got this back up and in future, I want to do even more backups
34:16
just to because I'm OCD like that.
34:18
And I just think it's it's better to have backups and you
34:22
know things go A bit slower but you've got that raw file then.
34:25
Yeah. To lose it and then just have
34:27
nothing. So, I've had some heart attacks
34:30
with that but ah, okay. So talk us through like when
34:36
this happens. So obviously, you're devastated.
34:38
But like, how is it for the guests?
34:40
Like knowing that, you know, that whole hour was just wasted.
34:46
Yeah, first thing I'm going to need to ask you like what?
34:49
That backup is after because I need my own backup.
34:53
Oh, I see, I got you soooo good and And I can just, I can just
34:58
say it now actually. Yeah.
34:59
Sorry sorry. It's sir program called mix pad.
35:05
It's by a company called NCH software.
35:08
So you guys you guys should sponsor me because I'm giving
35:11
you a free plug here but they have a they have a host of
35:15
different things and they were recommended to me by a French
35:19
out to trial by fire. Erin, you're awesome and Wise,
35:23
It's a games developer here. Recommended that.
35:26
You use a program called videopad because I was using
35:29
Sony Vegas, like some Noob and wondering why everything was
35:33
just terrible and taking forever.
35:35
And the reason why is because it sucks.
35:38
So I started using this program called wave.
35:42
No, hang on. What was it videopad?
35:44
That's right. And there's a like I said
35:46
there's like a host or a suite of different programs and mix
35:50
pad is one of them and it's essentially just audio recording
35:54
software. I use it for everything.
35:56
Thing, like voice acting podcast and you name it.
35:59
It's a really good tool. And one of the biggest things is
36:03
it gives you several tracks, which is not like a big deal.
36:06
I mean, you could do the same with like audacity but like,
36:09
sometimes you need those extra things.
36:11
You know what I mean? Like, for me, especially when I
36:13
started editing, and have to cut stuff out and really go that
36:17
extra mile because you do, you do need to do that with podcast
36:20
and people think, are you just plug in and play?
36:22
And that's it, right? But no, if you want to do it
36:25
properly, Lee as a whole bunch of stuff, like when I finish
36:28
this afterwards, there'll be loads of editing to do, you
36:31
know, a couple of hours, maybe more and then that's just the
36:34
edit. Then there's the scheduling and
36:36
everything else that's involved. I mean, that's yeah, whatever.
36:40
But I digress, what did I write? Guessing is kind of like a
36:46
second job, but I forgot to. Oh no, wow!
36:50
Yes. It was your failed show where
36:52
you lost the audio. How was it for the guests?
36:55
Yeah. I reached out, I like apologize.
36:59
I was like, oh, I'm so sorry. Absolutely, I hate this mistake.
37:03
They have been ancient. You want to come back on the
37:05
show and rerecord, but I never got response.
37:08
So, I guess not. See, I would say, yes, I would
37:14
I'd be annoyed if it were me. I'd be annoyed, but I would say
37:17
yes, because publicity's publicity June and I mean, if
37:21
someone's reaching out to you giving you publicity, I mean, go
37:24
for it, take it generate. Radio station called out to me
37:27
and said, hey, we messed up your audio but we still want to have
37:30
you on the show? I'll be like, hell, yeah.
37:32
I need, I need to plot. I mean, maybe this person
37:34
doesn't need to pluck. I don't know.
37:36
But I don't think, I think generally take advantage of it.
37:39
You know, people are interested in.
37:40
You just go with it. Yeah, I was hoping maybe you'd
37:45
even see the email, I don't know.
37:46
But yeah, it's unfortunate and I was so far ahead like
37:50
schedule-wise where I could finally relax.
37:53
Not worry too much about future gas, but that's like Yep,
37:56
there's a whole week's episode back and I'm only two weeks
37:59
ahead now. So like when you don't have
38:02
guests on the show, what are you tending to talk about that?
38:04
What the standard things like, what's the, what's the size?
38:07
You just you talking and you just kind of, it's just a talk
38:11
show with just yourself or, you know, what, what's the setup
38:14
like? I pretty much only hit every
38:18
weeks, just so guess. So the show is yeah.
38:21
It's just like constant guests each week as the show when the
38:25
studio open. I want to start doing like radio
38:27
only specials where like I'll just invite friends and talk
38:31
about what not like, conversational one.
38:33
But for now each week it's just a new guest new topic and then
38:37
the next week. So when this actual radio shows
38:41
been listed as one of the top 10, listen to radio stations in
38:46
the whole of Connecticut, which is pretty awesome.
38:49
So, how did you actually know a better question would be are to
38:52
ask you is what did this award actually mean to you?
38:56
You and like how large is your listener base?
39:00
Yeah, I am. I mean, I joined it when it was
39:04
top 10 is like right towards the end, but still top 10.
39:07
Hey, stay can take it, baby. Take, take the recognition.
39:09
You were part of the journey, go for it.
39:13
So I hope I'm helping it grow and it's just great.
39:17
Because like, now I'm getting a poster done like a 3x5 one
39:22
where, like, I'll stand with a friend of mine and on a corner,
39:25
handing out, flyers and the station is wh U s--.
39:28
So I put like a nice Little slab on the poster like hey look at
39:32
that. Is it just?
39:34
Is it generic poster of like two guys like this?
39:38
Like some light? I don't know. 86 conversation.
39:43
I'll be fine. That's a good idea but it's just
39:45
the logo Way by guest:look samples and it's very clean.
39:49
Like it. I worked on the I use canva.com
39:53
and she's like a very keen minimalist.
39:55
Yeah, I'm a big fan of it. But it's definitely great and
39:59
it's just like yeah it it definitely makes the whole show
40:03
feel better and perform better to Butler because asking before
40:08
like how how large is the listener base like how many
40:10
people can you expect to be listening on Earth?
40:12
This a weekly basis? I forget.
40:16
But I think like maybe average like thousand, maybe that's a
40:20
lot. That's like, yeah, I think like,
40:23
that's like maybe the average. I mean, different times at
40:26
different. Well, let's see, how many
40:28
people, how many people live in Connecticut?
40:32
I'm actually curious to now, for those who don't know.
40:34
So, Connecticut, as I understand is a major city in an area
40:41
called Greenwich, which is in New York, look, no New Jersey,
40:45
all right? Yeah, we're surrounded by
40:48
Massachusetts New York and New Jersey a little bit.
40:52
We're nice little state in New England and the population is
40:56
3.5 million goddamn. That's just like, 1,500. 1,600
41:02
is the average, but it's been a while since I checked.
41:04
So like how long is this radio station?
41:07
So Bingo, this radio show. Been being on the air for this
41:11
one. Beer and a half two years.
41:13
Now, that's about a year and a half two years.
41:16
Yeah, that's pretty good to, to build a following of the least
41:19
9,000 people listening every week for, you know, relatively
41:23
new radio show. Yeah.
41:26
And I'm happy about that too, because they help with the
41:28
station, and my time was different.
41:30
But now, I'm like, new slots and whatnot, but it's a because,
41:35
like the guest definitely help, like, the guess our my show.
41:39
So, like, once I show that it helped with the station,
41:41
definitely And you got locked out from the station as far as I
41:46
promotion and stuff. Yeah, I finished little clip.
41:51
It's like a little 30 second clip of slicing.
41:54
What this show is would like some music, an audio and I don't
41:57
know when it basically. Just there's constantly every
42:00
random points in the week and it'll say, tune in Wednesday is
42:03
5:00. And so that's there's that
42:07
they're paying for that poster, like I said, and just little
42:10
things like that. So like, What do you use or Draw
42:15
inspiration from as far as the sella radio?
42:19
Hosts radio shows that I will what's inspiring you and
42:23
motivating you? Yes I am.
42:31
I've talked to a lot of people of a lot of backgrounds and
42:35
everybody has but I've also like Talk to like a lot.
42:39
Lot would like a lot of like moving join different groups and
42:41
whatnot and all this stuff and like multiple jobs and stuff.
42:45
And I just met interesting people that I think are well for
42:50
example like just working at a stop and shop at one point, this
42:53
guy had like the longest coma in Connecticut and I just thought
42:58
that's like, wow because the interesting thing and I really
43:01
enjoyed hearing the guys story and I've always found that when
43:05
I'm talking to people other people tend to talk More and
43:09
very considerations where it's like, well I just met this guy.
43:11
Many going just told me his whole life story.
43:13
Great. It's funny how like some people
43:16
are willing to do that. Maybe they just they just want
43:18
someone to listen. Yeah, pretty much.
43:22
And I always enjoy listening though, and always loved looking
43:25
up random Wikipedia articles or like random Blow YouTube videos
43:29
and love learning little stuff like delving into it.
43:33
So I enjoy like talking to people, I love learning stuff,
43:37
so I sort of use my podcast in a way.
43:40
It's not so much like it's a show and I love airing it.
43:44
But I also do love doing the show because I love talking to
43:47
these people and learning these things.
43:49
Like I use like the Venezuela coup.
43:51
As an example, like I do love wearing a little bit of history
43:53
or a few philosophy episodes, like I just really love learning
43:57
this stuff. So I'm like, alright sweet.
43:58
Here's a guy wants a tool but here's like a way for me to do
44:04
what I enjoy. Like how many episodes into the
44:07
Podcast version. Are we talking now?
44:10
How many do you have 35? Just aired and I'm recording 39
44:17
to night? I think so.
44:18
Okay, yeah. All right.
44:21
Yeah. So we getting fully in.
44:22
What's the response been like so far online?
44:26
It's been good. Some few people like my message
44:32
in from the radio saying like, oh, I really liked this episode.
44:37
I only heard the end. Where can I find the whole
44:40
episode? And it's like, oh, great that
44:43
shows interest. So then I'll try to direct words
44:45
the podcast that we can see the whole thing.
44:47
And I'm so, like, responses, like that on Joy, L podcast,
44:51
getting some nice refuse or whatnot, but I feel like a few
44:55
of them are other podcasts try. Like, Plug or something, I don't
44:57
know. But overall I'm getting good
44:59
responses. Good emails and I'm happy with
45:01
the show. Yeah.
45:03
I just want to say on the side, do I hate that like if anyone
45:05
ever who comments on my posts, I get it on like Tick-Tock and
45:11
Instagram places out that they're like, oh hey, yeah, if
45:14
you like this, why don't you check out this and it's like I'm
45:16
never going to check out your thing because you're promoting
45:19
on my thing. Like if you want me to check out
45:22
your staff, email me privately. Or message me privately and say
45:28
hey Christian, nice to meet you. Make a conversation with me,
45:32
Give Me A Reason, establish a connection because that's
45:35
another things are so many people get in contact with me
45:37
like, hey, check this out. I'll give you a really good
45:39
example, sry, just a quick ride because this annoys me there was
45:42
a guy who contacted me the other day, right?
45:45
And if you're listening to this, I hope you're listening to this
45:47
because, you know, I'd be, but I kept it professional.
45:51
So is the typical kind of promotional thing like our, hey
45:55
yeah, we can give you a promotion.
45:56
All services blah, blah blah blah.
45:58
And I'm like, hey, you know, right now I'm not in a sort of
46:01
financial situation to be able to accept that but thank you for
46:04
your offer, all the best to you and I thought that would be the
46:07
end of it and he's like the word for word.
46:09
This is what the guy says, he's like.
46:11
Well, at least follow this page and this page and I just
46:15
literally just said, why Why, why should I you didn't like
46:23
trying to make me feel bad? Like, oh, at least do this.
46:25
If you're not gonna give me money, at least.
46:27
Do this. How about at least, fuck off?
46:32
At least, fuck off a little bit. How about that?
46:34
Just, you know, the audacity of and here's the thing, there are
46:39
so many people in the world right now.
46:43
Content, creators podcast is, right?
46:45
Because like, we've been given this time, you know, I'm here is
46:48
because some say it is a blessing.
46:50
I see it as a blessing. I've I've chosen to use this
46:52
time to wipe my ass off and really, finally do everything
46:56
that I wanted to do and just actually give it a go, you know,
46:59
actually try and make it a reality for myself.
47:02
And you know what? It feels like, it might be going
47:05
somewhere, there's some positivity, I'm seeing in the
47:08
community more and more people are joining getting positive
47:10
reviews for the podcast, blah, blah, blah, blah blah, right?
47:14
But one thing I know that doesn't ever work is like when
47:17
you try to kind of almost like a beg people to check you out both
47:23
in real life and on social media like people don't care.
47:26
People only care. When they hear about you, when
47:28
other people say you got to check this guy out.
47:31
You got to check this woman out. There are amazing like when
47:34
people start doing that I'm sure it's the same with your radio
47:37
show. A lot of people, I'm sure come
47:40
across the radio show because someone else is our yeah you got
47:42
to check out this show on. On this radio network is
47:45
awesome, you know, because that's what most people go
47:47
through is recommendations from other people, right?
47:50
It's rare that you just stumble across things.
47:52
It does happen, but it's rare and a lot of the time that's the
47:57
case. Like what I make sure is that
47:59
every single podcast, every single video, every single live
48:02
stream that I do has an element of consistency.
48:04
You always getting roughly the same thing, even if it's
48:08
different every time and therefore you know what, to
48:11
expect every time and you know what you're signing up for.
48:13
For as well. That should be the
48:15
advertisement. Not me telling you.
48:17
Hey check me out. Hey, please subscribe.
48:19
That's not the advertisement. That's, that's a nice reminder,
48:23
sure. But that shouldn't be your
48:25
advertisement in differently. No, that's definitely accurate.
48:31
Like, right off the bat. When, if you message people
48:33
saying, hey, on Twitter, I see all the time.
48:35
Like, hey, look at my pockets. Look at my podcast.
48:37
It's like no, you're an advertisement.
48:39
People don't like ads. When I'm watching showing an ad
48:42
comes on, I go on the Room. Do you know?
48:44
That's a really good point. I've never thought about as
48:47
well. Yeah.
48:47
Like We always tend to avoid ads, that's why we have ad
48:54
blocker on YouTube. It's, you know, it's annoying.
48:56
When you see an ad, it's annoying.
48:57
It's like if anything, it makes you hate that thing like it and,
49:02
and that's unfortunate. But, that's the reality.
49:04
So yeah, if you see unsolicited messages constantly in your
49:08
feed, it's like why do you care about this?
49:10
Like, it makes you angry towards that thing.
49:13
And, you know, the way I always, I try to kind of relax things,
49:18
you know, I'll always plug. You video where possible but I
49:22
don't plug everything, you know what I mean?
49:24
Because it's just too much and to my own audiences.
49:27
Watch too much. Like I've noticed subscribers
49:32
fall off some of my YouTube channels because of this because
49:36
I was posting too much and is fair enough, I would find that
49:38
annoying. I mean, you do have options.
49:40
You can turn off notifications and stuff, but still like,
49:44
people don't think that far ahead, you know, if they've, if
49:46
they've gone to the sort of the trouble of checking you out
49:49
following you, Whatever, that's a big deal.
49:51
So if you then abuse that by just inundating them was crap,
49:56
it's just going to put them off. And they're not going to want to
49:59
be a part of that, and you're sort of out doing all of your
50:03
work, you know, because just getting someone on board.
50:05
That's a huge achievement. Yeah.
50:08
It's like a tough tightrope to walk because you still want,
50:11
plug yourself like me. I just use my website the end
50:14
instead of everything because you still want people to 8.
50:18
Check me out, but you don't, To do that, for that reason.
50:21
What I use now or my go-to is, I upload my stuff, the N.
50:27
But since I have guess, I never even asked them like, hey, plug
50:30
it yourself. It's just, hey, I'm going to
50:32
upload on my stuff and if they upload it themselves, I am
50:37
extremely happy because it's like what you said.
50:39
It's that like somebody, you know, telling you, hey, check
50:42
out this podcast. Like when the person from the
50:45
show, says, Hey, I was on this show.
50:47
It tells Their audience. Yo, check out this Podcast.
50:52
And like I've said this on the show before.
50:54
So I'll make this quick, but like, even people in my own
50:57
network people, I'm friends with fellow content creators.
51:00
Like, you have to understand. If you are a content creator of
51:04
some description, you're busy doing stuff, creating maybe not
51:11
even create may be doing other stuff in your life.
51:13
If someone sends you a video, it's like, okay, what do you
51:17
want me to do with this? Like, I know you want me to Get
51:21
out but it's like you didn't ask me you didn't say like okay if
51:25
one of my friends would say, hey Christian would you mind
51:29
checking this out man? I really want like your thoughts
51:32
on this or like hey would you mind checking out this?
51:36
I'd really like you to be a part of this.
51:38
If someone says that I'm going to be more inclined to go check
51:42
them out and I want to help them bout because I know they helped
51:45
me out and it's there's that personal connection there.
51:48
But if it's just, hey, uploaded a new video.
51:50
Geo. Hey, got a live stick.
51:52
Like there's a guy in my in my network he does this and I've
51:55
spoken about it before I've never mentioned him by name
51:57
because it's some professional and I wouldn't want to shame him
52:00
like that but he knows who he is and he's done it several times
52:05
in my messages and it's like, dude.
52:07
I'm not going to check out your street.
52:09
I'm not going to check out your video because you just you just
52:12
post it at me like like you just as his expectation that I'm
52:15
going to check it out. It's like what do you think?
52:17
I just sit around doing nothing all day.
52:20
Like oh Balboa nothing better to do.
52:22
So I know I have got to stop. There are better things to do,
52:24
no offense but like it did not to be like unless you turn
52:28
around to me and you then there's that nice because and
52:31
the here's the thing as well. Some people won't think I'm
52:33
being a dick here in like, by saying that.
52:35
But it's like I would expect the same.
52:38
Do you know what I mean? Like, if I would just post a
52:40
video to you and I would just be like, hey, check it out.
52:43
I would expect you not to check it out because I've not been
52:45
polite or given you a reason to care.
52:48
Whereas, if I you know create that Personal connection that
52:51
personal message. I mean, I don't expect them to
52:54
check it out, but I think there's a better chance that
52:56
they will, and it's more of a friendly gesture.
53:00
And here's the thing, you can't abuse that either, you got to
53:02
save that for that special occasions.
53:05
You know what I mean? Like, if someone truly wants to
53:07
consume all of your content, they'll subscribe.
53:10
They'll follow you though. Join your desk or whatever, but
53:13
a lot of time, you know, people just check out a couple of
53:16
things here and there. And, you know, I sometimes try
53:19
to do, I try to drop in. Randomly unannounced and I'll
53:22
drop in a friends live stream or are you know, like then there's
53:26
a guy shout out to Buck mr. Cole.
53:28
He's a friend of mine, fellow content create.
53:29
He does a thing on Instagram where he raps freestyles.
53:33
Really cool, right? And every now and again I'll
53:35
drop in his stream and I'll just like message him like silly
53:39
stuff to get him to wrap and it's fun and it makes it really
53:42
good and enjoyable and people have a good time.
53:44
Right. And but I don't do that all the
53:48
time. I do it once in a while.
53:49
You know. I mean if I got Five minutes.
53:51
I see his stream and I'll go check it out.
53:53
And that's the reality. Like, when you're that busy.
53:56
It's, you know, you don't often have those moments where you
53:59
just sit in on your phone, not doing anything.
54:00
Like, oh yeah, cool. I check it out.
54:02
I do, you know what I mean? Oh yeah. 100%.
54:06
And like those are plugs. You were saying earlier where
54:08
it's like, oh can I have some improvement or something?
54:11
I agree. But then I also see a ton of
54:13
people say that as like episode 1 2 or 3.
54:18
And like when I first started, I had the biggest urge Like sort
54:21
of go everywhere, like, oh my God, like I like, because
54:24
you're, it's like all exciting to you, but the heart, you give
54:28
it some time, and then do that. But like, what you were saying
54:32
with the the like, well basically, I had this guy my
54:37
show. I think I mentioned them earlier
54:38
Ken Lewis, he for people don't know.
54:42
He has 103 gold and platinum records now, he's a producer.
54:46
He's worked for like Eminem, Jay-Z Kanye West, all that stuff
54:50
in He said like he's like huge like compared to me he's like
54:55
Beyond he's like I don't know what's a good singer.
54:58
I'm like one inch off the ground he's like five miles off the
55:01
ground like that. He but he says he gets so many
55:09
Twitter. So my Instagram.
55:10
So my like message is a people just say, hey check out my
55:13
mixtape. He's a producer.
55:15
They want him to listen and he's like no if you say check out my
55:18
mixtape, I'm not gonna Count your mixtape just cause you plug
55:22
it. Whatever.
55:23
I'm not going to do that. I want you to either like grow,
55:27
like prove yourself in some way or something, but I am so busy
55:33
making all these making these songs all this stuff.
55:35
I don't have time to plug in your half hour, mix tape, or
55:39
whatever. Yeah, you know it's it's
55:42
stupidity. I hate to be mean to those
55:44
people but like you're not thinking enough, you know, it's
55:48
like it. I've message some of my favorite
55:50
content. Creators but like really super
55:52
famous people, right? And I never expect a response
55:55
back because they're too busy to read.
55:57
But what some random English guys messages from Bumfuck,
56:01
nowhere, who has like, less than however many follow?
56:04
Like, who the fuck am I? Why should they care?
56:07
Like, I mean, they're too busy doing their stuff and I, even if
56:11
I was super successful at their level, I still wouldn't expect a
56:15
response if I don't, if I don't know them.
56:17
Do you know what I mean? Like and that's the thing that I
56:18
do as well is unless I know Someone I've met them, I don't
56:23
tend to respond, you know, I mean like, the only exception
56:28
I'll make is if I've seen that someone is a regular follower of
56:32
mine. Like, I do this on Instagram
56:34
sometimes, right? When you get someone who's been
56:36
in quite a few live streams, their comment a lot that they're
56:38
clearly part of the community, then I'll follow them back and,
56:42
you know, I might sort of message them now and again, but,
56:46
It's something that I know can change as well because I think
56:50
at this level, when you're still growing, you're able to do that
56:53
one day. I'm just not going to have the
56:55
time to do that because it's things will grow, things will
56:58
expand, you know, we'll have a big following and then, you know
57:02
what I mean? Like, it will actually be
57:03
impossible, not just because of the time element, but because
57:06
you have so many, as you said you, he gets like thousands and
57:09
thousands of messages a day, right?
57:11
Like what is he going to like look through like all 100,000 of
57:14
a cusp buddy. Not like, you know, Happy
57:16
Madness. Even if he's an employer PA to
57:19
sort that out, they still wouldn't have enough time to do
57:22
that, because it's just an inevitable kind of
57:25
ever-increasing thing. Yeah, there's only like so few
57:29
up at like that top level where he is, and you're talking like
57:32
whole country and maybe other countries trying to like
57:35
message. So, I'm sure he gets so many.
57:37
He told me a story like one time he was like, walking through a
57:40
New York and these people were on the corner trying to sell
57:44
like a rap album. And he was like, all right, you
57:47
know what, let me um, give me that I won't tell you who you
57:50
are. I mean so I won't tell you who I
57:52
am, but I think you should give me that album and the guys like,
57:56
no, it's a three bucks or five bucks.
57:58
Oh yeah, yeah, that dude like that's one of the time he's
58:05
going to take one and whoever was handing those out completely
58:08
blew his chance right there. Joe, that's amazing.
58:12
You know, I've met those sorts of people in Hollywood.
58:15
I was in Hollywood. Time and they're very forceful.
58:19
Like I remember we were just tourists walking past and they
58:21
were like fully like you need to buy this.
58:23
You need to buy this and it's like dude fuck off.
58:26
Like I don't want to buy you a shitty album that you made for
58:29
like less than a dollar that you're shoving in my face.
58:34
Like working your sales pitch, my friend, the why do I need to
58:40
buy this? But no, lemon listen, listen I
58:43
know everyone's got to make a living and like If you're out on
58:47
the street, trying to, you know, I've been there, I've done that.
58:49
I, you know, I was in a metal band for three years or
58:52
something and, you know, we would try and get people to buy
58:55
our albums, but here's the thing.
58:58
I didn't shove it in people's faces on street corners.
59:01
People that I know probably aren't gonna buy it right.
59:03
You think about these things? Okay, we booked a metal show,
59:07
right? So there's going to be people
59:08
that like to listen to metal music.
59:10
The paid to see the show. So, set up a merch store, have
59:13
your stuff there, that makes sense.
59:16
Those people are likely to buy that not Joe, you know, mama and
59:20
papa walking on the street in the middle of the daylight in.
59:23
I don't know, California. Like they're just there to have
59:26
a nice day. They don't want.
59:27
To be hounded by you, you know, and like that.
59:31
That's a good example as well like they say.
59:33
I mean, obviously, they had no idea who that guy was.
59:35
But like, if you're, if you're selling records for three to
59:40
five pounds on the street, right, and someone says what you
59:45
just laid out, I would just, I would just give it for free.
59:48
I would give freebies now. And again, you know what I mean?
59:52
- well yeah, yeah. I like it.
59:54
How does it really affect you like the, the, I mean, I
59:56
remember. Even when I made my Records back
59:58
in the day. It didn't cost that much to
1:00:00
create like because once you've initially created the records,
1:00:04
then it's just reproduction and that you I mean you could do
1:00:06
that yourself a relatively cheap.
1:00:07
I mean most people listening to this podcast, won't know what
1:00:10
this is if they are younger generation, but that's what
1:00:13
burning CDs is, like, I mean, that's where that comes from.
1:00:18
And that's free that whatever their last, huh?
1:00:22
Wow. Rough way, He should, he should
1:00:28
take it one step further and told them who he was afterwards.
1:00:32
That would have been amazing. You just reminded me.
1:00:35
He when he walked away he said you guys know, Kanye West they
1:00:40
said yeah he's like yeah I produced for him.
1:00:44
Wow, he did. Yeah, how did they react, you
1:00:47
know how they reacted? I don't know.
1:00:49
I think just kept walking. I okay, I don't know.
1:00:52
I made like a joke right after. I'm like, man, I'd be on my
1:00:54
knees. Like, no.
1:00:55
Take the CD, like, fucking holding it up.
1:00:58
Like, it's a sacred thing. Please don't know how they
1:01:02
reacted, but like they better, they probably were kicking
1:01:06
themselves. I'll say that even that.
1:01:08
Oh, they probably thought he was just like some crazy dude, lol.
1:01:12
Yeah, whatever. I bet there is that And it's
1:01:14
selfish sure that it's because that's the weird thing as well,
1:01:16
like, about people in that position, It's like because I
1:01:20
you get people like that in the UK and it's like their whole
1:01:24
ideologies are were an unknown band.
1:01:26
We've really got to push us up, but the thing is, when you're
1:01:28
unknown, here's the deal, like, no one cares about you.
1:01:34
Right? And what I mean, is, okay, that
1:01:35
sounds like a really obvious thing to say, but like I get
1:01:39
comments now and again, from people who say to me, wow, Like
1:01:44
I can't believe you had have such a small following, like you
1:01:47
do really good content and this isn't me going on, guys and
1:01:49
they're great. I'm getting comments like that.
1:01:51
That the reason that I'm bringing that up is that I know
1:01:55
why that's the cat. And this is my response to these
1:01:57
people is, well, I'm a nobody, right?
1:01:59
And the first thing, you look at, when you discover a new
1:02:02
content creator, is you look at how many followers they got.
1:02:05
Generally speaking, not always. Now, I don't care.
1:02:08
Like, I subscribe to people all the time that don't have a lot
1:02:11
of fun. Lois, I found some really
1:02:15
amazing content creators recently and they've got like,
1:02:17
less followers than me, but they're amazing.
1:02:19
And I'm like, wow, I hit the jackpot because when I talk to
1:02:22
these people better respond. So it's a win for me.
1:02:25
But most people don't think that way.
1:02:26
Most people are like, meh, whatever like who's this guy,
1:02:30
right? But that's the thing.
1:02:32
Once you start progressing and you get to certain levels
1:02:35
suddenly that begins to change ever so slowly.
1:02:39
So, like if you take YouTube as an example, I reckon when you've
1:02:43
got, like, maybe like 10K, something like that.
1:02:46
Like you're starting to progress like you people will probably
1:02:49
more than likely subscribe to check out a few videos before
1:02:53
they leave, you know what I mean?
1:02:55
Like what I see as a kind of a trend on my channel is people
1:03:00
quite often or check out one video and then check out like
1:03:03
six other videos and then leave right.
1:03:05
I just think that's really funny but it's cool.
1:03:08
I like that because it's that says to me, okay, people were
1:03:10
taking notice because, you know, maybe two years ago Wasn't doing
1:03:14
that. So, it's a, it's, there's levels
1:03:16
to these, it's in this thing. And I think that a lot of people
1:03:20
forget that they don't, they don't think about that.
1:03:23
And they just get too fixated on numbers.
1:03:26
And as we know, I mean, it takes so very little to change things.
1:03:32
I mean, in the world of content creating as far as video is
1:03:34
concerned. All it takes is one video.
1:03:36
But in terms of podcasting and and the radio, I mean, all it
1:03:40
takes is that one guest, you know, that one interview You,
1:03:44
you know, that one moment and like boom sky's the limit after
1:03:48
that? Yeah, it's true.
1:03:50
And there's definitely like some gas that like make a wicked
1:03:54
difference. I've had some episodes go up
1:03:56
then the next episode, it's like an episode.
1:03:59
I think people would like, goes right down, I'm like, wait what?
1:04:03
That's what is it just like that topic?
1:04:05
That's yeah, that's why I always aim for the consistency element
1:04:10
because I have the same thing. But like what I tend to do with
1:04:15
every episode of the podcast that going in is I tried to have
1:04:18
zero Expectations, I just go into it thinking, okay, focus on
1:04:22
making this consistent and focus on making this as good as it
1:04:27
possibly can be, you know what I mean?
1:04:29
So if there's difficulties, even if you noticing them during the
1:04:32
course of the podcast, don't think about it.
1:04:34
Just focus on the goal and normally that works.
1:04:38
And you know what? Like then it's just subjective,
1:04:41
isn't it? You know, people listening will
1:04:43
find different things. Like sometimes people tell me
1:04:45
like, oh I really enjoyed this episode of I'm like huh.
1:04:49
I wasn't maybe I wasn't as keen on that episode.
1:04:51
Like, you know, I didn't really feel like it was my best one and
1:04:53
then one that I'm really proud of there's like, no one.
1:04:57
No one cares says is interesting.
1:04:58
I don't know. It's yeah.
1:05:00
Oh yeah, it's just it's just different opinions.
1:05:02
I guess than that. Definitely from an example for
1:05:05
me is like, I didn't happen. So don a plastic and like, it's
1:05:09
pollution effects. And that's an episode that I
1:05:12
think is a important deal. I like it and that's it very
1:05:17
well. I was completely surprised.
1:05:19
And then like my my recent one shot is on China.
1:05:24
And that's a, I think it went a great episode.
1:05:27
I expected to perform very well and so far.
1:05:31
It's growing like not as well as like the episode before that the
1:05:34
one before that. I'm like, why is that have you
1:05:38
also noticed as well? Like, I find this a lot
1:05:40
especially when I do like stuff for Tick-Tock or sometimes even
1:05:44
YouTubers. Well, I can't make a video and
1:05:46
I'll put very little effort. I'm like, whatever.
1:05:50
I got an idea, I'll put it at that.
1:05:52
I'll make it good. You know, I have the nose from
1:05:54
nail and all the everything it needs.
1:05:56
But like I don't put a lot of effort in and that's the video.
1:06:00
Like I'll give you an example, right?
1:06:01
My my best performing video on Tick-Tock right now which has
1:06:06
gotten me like over 1,000 fall out like a so went before this I
1:06:10
had I don't know, maybe like 150 followers or something right and
1:06:14
then this one video has blown its got.
1:06:16
Like I think about EK views 630,000, basically and the the
1:06:24
follower count keeps going up because interestingly, yeah,
1:06:26
when a lot of people are actually watching your video on
1:06:29
a platform like that, they just randomly follow which I guess
1:06:32
makes sense but it's just like that's interesting but literally
1:06:35
the quality of the video is shit like it.
1:06:38
It's a clip from a longer video. So the actual video was like,
1:06:43
maybe ten minute video that I uploaded to my second channel,
1:06:46
right? And it was just exposing a scam
1:06:48
in The UK. So, most of the video was shot
1:06:51
like this facing me and then there's a point where because I
1:06:54
don't, you know, I just use literally a handheld camcorder
1:06:58
from like 7 or 8 years ago. It's it's low budget stuff.
1:07:03
Yeah, you work with what you have anyway when it came to
1:07:07
actually show it because the scam was on a mobile phone,
1:07:10
right? So I had to show the message and
1:07:13
I thought about different ways I could do this.
1:07:14
Like I know I can maybe I probably should have done it.
1:07:18
You know, this is the reason I did it.
1:07:20
So normally I would just put screenshots within the video,
1:07:24
right? But because I needed to interact
1:07:26
with this text in the links, that's why I filmed it like
1:07:30
that. So it looks like crap and when I
1:07:32
uploaded the clip onto Tick-Tock, I I cut it.
1:07:36
So it's just the bit where I'm looking at the phone and
1:07:38
explaining it and that's what I uploaded to tick tock.
1:07:41
And as you may or may not know, like you only get like a minute
1:07:44
to work with, so I just uploaded that and that's the video that
1:07:47
does. Well, What the fuck zero effort
1:07:54
in that? Like obviously, yeah, there was
1:07:56
effort, like filming that video but it wasn't that difficult but
1:07:59
mostly I was just talking about. It wasn't even really giving
1:08:02
much of an opinion. I was like huh lol?
1:08:04
This isnt this obviously a scam. Ha ha ha end of video.
1:08:09
You want to go to your audience can be like what's wrong with
1:08:12
you people? We just I don't get it and it's,
1:08:16
I mean, it's not always that way.
1:08:17
Some of the other clips that have done, well have been
1:08:20
Controversial clips from podcast, which that makes sense
1:08:23
at least, because it's okay. Gets people talking.
1:08:25
People have a massive argument in the comments, great my
1:08:28
interactions up. I don't care by the way, to the
1:08:31
bank, but that, but it makes sense.
1:08:33
I'd like logically. But when it's poor quality
1:08:37
stuff, like I said before, always put the effort in, but it
1:08:41
still doesn't change the fact that like no effort has gone
1:08:44
into this, whereas everything else.
1:08:45
I do music comedy, skits acting, whatever that That that I
1:08:50
actually prepare and put effort in and then it just gets like a
1:08:54
few views, you know, one or two of them might pop off, but most
1:08:58
of them don't, and it's just like, I don't understand this at
1:09:02
all, but keep trying, I guess. I guess it's like the substance
1:09:08
in a way, but you got pick like, the right substance like, that
1:09:12
was the right substance. But I saw this podcast.
1:09:15
It's the I can't sleep podcast and basically the guy reads,
1:09:19
like Wikipedia articles to help people fall asleep.
1:09:22
Like, it's supposed to be so boring, they fall asleep some
1:09:26
days, but it, yeah. And it's like good substance.
1:09:29
Like he's reading interesting stuff, but it's like that point
1:09:32
where it's so like, narrow or so.
1:09:36
Interesting quotation marks that it puts people to sleep.
1:09:43
And that's dangerous as well because like for some people it
1:09:46
might actually be interested see why they might have the adverse
1:09:49
effect and you get like really intrigued and you sit there like
1:09:52
two hours into this Wikipedia thing.
1:09:53
Wanting to know what's next like yeah tell me more about that.
1:09:56
Serial killer. Oh my God.
1:09:58
My the geopolitical situation and Israel I don't know.
1:10:04
Like the interesting stuff now Sun's Rising.
1:10:08
As you look out the window be like ah shit I got work in our.
1:10:11
I did it again. And God damn it anyway.
1:10:16
Move it on. What do you think of someone
1:10:19
like the secrets to being A good radio show host.
1:10:27
Yeah. So, like we said, Joe Rogan
1:10:32
before, and I like to use him as an example, because yeah, he's
1:10:35
podcast, but he's still very good at what he does and I watch
1:10:39
the video to, like, take notes on what makes it special and why
1:10:43
what do I want to apply for like the radio show.
1:10:46
And it's sort of a combination of I like to, I like to speak
1:10:51
very fast. Like, in public settings, I like
1:10:53
speak very fast and I like going on a general direction and like,
1:10:56
but then I'll slow down and whatnot.
1:10:58
So, Big step is just slowing your voice and making sure every
1:11:03
word is heard. And then you go deeper and say,
1:11:06
make sure like the power words are emphasized.
1:11:08
I never worried about that too much, but it's more.
1:11:11
You have to slow yourself down. Get the point across clear
1:11:15
verses like in everyday life, people want to speak
1:11:18
sporadically and a big challenge to is, you got my hands like
1:11:23
just below the camera so you don't see as much but I move my
1:11:28
hands crazy like I come from. Italian family.
1:11:31
So, when I'm speaking, I'm literally acting like my whole
1:11:36
like, if I point an arrow, I actually do like The Arrow
1:11:38
motion and everything, but people tuning in, they don't see
1:11:43
that I do. So I don't know why it's
1:11:47
interesting because I don't think my parents do that.
1:11:50
But like, yeah, I don't, especially like, I don't know,
1:11:53
sometimes I feel like it's a weird, like, intellectual
1:11:55
flexor. Be sitting out armchair like,
1:11:57
you know, it's like this and I did and then I retracted Sighs
1:12:00
what I'm doing and I'm like, you don't like a twat.
1:12:02
What you do there's like you're not consciously aware because
1:12:06
you just, you know. Yeah, yeah, I go into me, throw
1:12:09
this episode. I see you moving your hands too.
1:12:11
And I'm like, oh, he does that to give, at least, at least in
1:12:15
your culture. That makes sense.
1:12:17
Dude. I mean why, I'm just some
1:12:19
British guy like, you know, my family from what I understand.
1:12:23
Historically, didn't go anywhere and I've got I think I've got
1:12:25
some French and Irish blood on my dad's side.
1:12:28
But other than that, Being stayed in England.
1:12:30
Never did anything. What?
1:12:34
But I don't know. I have a fascination with
1:12:35
traveling and going to different countries and living abroad.
1:12:38
So that's how I'm different, I guess, but whatever.
1:12:42
Anyways, the saying about me, that's why one of my big goals
1:12:47
is to have the podcast, give me enough money.
1:12:49
That I could literally, like, go to Europe, maybe interview a
1:12:52
guest there something. But like basically be able to
1:12:55
move wherever I want because podcasting yeah there's like a
1:12:58
studio But doesn't require you to be in one space so I want to
1:13:02
be able to go to Germany, Italy, Japan like whatever country.
1:13:08
So you're looking to kind of set up your own thing, then your own
1:13:11
sort of traveling podcast but it's time to think that would be
1:13:14
interesting. It was still be the same theme
1:13:18
but it could be like cool segments or something.
1:13:19
Like just I want to be able to travel it.
1:13:23
Just like you said, it seems very interesting.
1:13:26
Cool dude. Cool, cool, cool.
1:13:27
And what advice? Ice, could you give to people
1:13:32
that want to get into radio and podcasting?
1:13:35
Yeah, so do it. That's true.
1:13:40
That's true. I see so many people like, who
1:13:46
love watching those motivational YouTube videos, or these
1:13:49
motivational stories, and so many, it's podcasting.
1:13:53
But like, in every Dynamic, people are always saying, check
1:13:56
it out, my new streaming station, or my Or a new podcast,
1:14:01
all this stuff I'm doing this, I'm doing all this stuff in the
1:14:05
second. You say you're doing something
1:14:07
or like basically that's when you lose like you have to do it
1:14:13
because when you say you've done something, you get that
1:14:15
satisfaction that you've already done it even though you haven't,
1:14:18
you've only taken like the first step.
1:14:21
Oh, I know what you mean? Yeah.
1:14:22
When you first start out. Yeah.
1:14:25
Now you're right. You're right.
1:14:26
I know what you mean? I know what you mean.
1:14:28
Yeah. That's because you You sort of
1:14:30
touched on that before, when you said like, oh, when people reach
1:14:33
out, and they've only got like a couple of episodes behind their
1:14:36
belt, and it's like, it's kind of a pointless time to ask is
1:14:38
because I've said this before, in the show, like when I hear
1:14:41
like someone setting up a podcast and I know the type of
1:14:44
person they are. Yeah.
1:14:46
Not necessarily said they won't stick with it, but it's like a
1:14:49
podcast, is a lot of work and commitment and it's like I mean
1:14:53
I remember when I first set mine up, I done a podcast before with
1:14:56
a couple of friends and we Ended it prematurely unfortunately,
1:15:01
but I still wanted to go and I've been thinking about doing a
1:15:04
podcast for a long time but I don't know.
1:15:06
I don't have an idea that no, will it be good?
1:15:09
Bubba bubba and eventually I just went for that matter of
1:15:13
just all that idea that I should just do it and then just see
1:15:17
what happens. But maybe just keep it as like a
1:15:20
discussion / because it really, which is gonna be a discussion
1:15:24
podcast where I just spoke at length on a topic like I do in
1:15:27
my Vlogs and yeah. Once in a blue moon, I still do
1:15:31
that, but I think the money if you like, is in doing interviews
1:15:35
and talking to people, I feel like most comfortable people
1:15:38
seem to enjoy it more as well. So I've just kind of run with
1:15:41
it, but I don't think I really found my footing with this
1:15:45
podcast until maybe 20 or 30 episodes in, to be honest.
1:15:50
And like, I feel like it's always constantly, you're always
1:15:54
constantly learning and growing. And, you know what I mean?
1:15:56
And you always look back at like the past 50, they like, Huh.
1:16:01
Now, I feel like now is the best time because before I didn't
1:16:04
know what I was doing and I'm sure in 50 episodes for now I
1:16:07
say the same thing then you know, it's an interesting thing.
1:16:12
Yeah, definitely, I keep seeing that a lot with them groups
1:16:15
where they'll make a podcast but then some people aren't
1:16:19
interested. But one person still really
1:16:21
enjoys it. So they'll like keep the show
1:16:24
going but the rest sort of don't want to do it anymore.
1:16:26
Yeah. Like it always kind of scares me
1:16:29
when People reach out to me if they want me to appear on the
1:16:33
show and it's literally just a group of people chatting.
1:16:36
Like that's my idea of a nightmare.
1:16:38
That's not a podcast. I'm sorry, like, I know some of
1:16:41
you have done it and made it work and fair play to you, like
1:16:44
some of them that I've been on. They actually have segments and
1:16:47
they cut it up and it's good and it works.
1:16:49
But I've heard so many it's just literally like that.
1:16:53
One over one guy said to me like, oh yeah, we like to just
1:16:56
record our conversations and put it online and on I'm like, why?
1:17:01
Like like you need to hat? Like the whole point of a
1:17:04
podcast is the listener needs to be able to follow some sort of
1:17:08
narrative, you know. It's like when you listen to an
1:17:10
audiobook you know, there's a story, you know, you listen to a
1:17:14
song, There's an eventual ending, you know where it's
1:17:16
going. You know?
1:17:17
I mean like if you just have a conversation that you've
1:17:20
uploaded and every time it's a conversation, I mean you run
1:17:24
into so many problems like that, aggravating problem.
1:17:27
We spoke about earlier of, you know, return To an issue, maybe
1:17:30
an hour after you've already spoken about it or you know what
1:17:33
I mean? Like forgetting stuff or I don't
1:17:36
know whatever. Like there's so many issues
1:17:38
would not just having that basic structure.
1:17:40
Like, you can still, don't get me wrong, you can still have
1:17:42
like mates in a room having a laugh but it's going to be mates
1:17:47
in the room. Having a laugh with a bit of
1:17:48
structure that you work with. At least one person is taking
1:17:53
control of the situation and guiding it.
1:17:55
You have to have that you can't call it a podcast.
1:17:58
Otherwise Oh absolutely 100% or else like and then people will
1:18:04
hit like that brick while ago, right?
1:18:06
But year in the group setting for the podcast and you got
1:18:09
nothing to talk about. So it's so how was your day?
1:18:12
It was good man. I drove to the gas station.
1:18:14
Wow. And then you're in your car
1:18:16
listening to and you're like who defy?
1:18:18
That's okay. Yeah.
1:18:20
It's like I don't want to know about the fact that you drop
1:18:23
your keys and the cashier looked at you funny and like you know
1:18:26
you filled your gas tank half and I like who the fuck cares?
1:18:29
Is tell me something. Interesting.
1:18:31
Tell me how, I don't know. The cashier told you to go fuck
1:18:35
yourself. That's interesting.
1:18:36
I want to hear that. Like you want to hear something
1:18:38
over brakes? You're not like, you don't want
1:18:40
to hear the norm because you're living the norm.
1:18:42
He was like the taste you away from the norm and makes you
1:18:45
think. Oh yeah, life can be
1:18:47
interesting. Sometimes you want something
1:18:51
that sucks you in. Not the boring everyday.
1:18:55
You want something to escape from that every day to listen to
1:18:58
something unique, you know? The irony with that, as well as
1:19:01
most things start out. Like that.
1:19:02
I'm sure that's how podcast probably starting to beginning.
1:19:04
I remember, that's how Twitter started in the beginning.
1:19:07
Do you remember when Twitter started doing for?
1:19:10
That was like a little bit but I think I liked a little bit more
1:19:14
because then you have to see those celebrities thoughts.
1:19:17
Do you want now very beginning do like the very I'm talking
1:19:20
before the celebs even gone there when it was like,
1:19:22
literally just started, it was people fucking going like oh
1:19:26
yeah, I had some Weetabix today. Oh, Mike might go outside.
1:19:33
Now I had packet crisps that was that was the extent of the
1:19:37
tweets. That was this.
1:19:41
It's like Paris, Hilton ate some crisps.
1:19:43
I'll grate Fantan, bloody tastic.
1:19:46
Why do I care about that? But they never Got Hijacked in.
1:19:50
It changed in it then it became more what it is today.
1:19:53
So I'm glad I log into Twitter today, I feel like that's a kind
1:19:58
of modern face. Facebook.
1:20:00
I don't use Facebook. I feel like that's a lot today,
1:20:03
like, oh my dog went for a walk today or picture of your bowl of
1:20:07
cereal or something. Yeah, I fight.
1:20:10
I've got mixed feelings about Facebook, because I only use it
1:20:12
because of family, some friends. And then, to be honest, content,
1:20:18
creating actually I say this much if If I wasn't doing this
1:20:28
or no, if I could get a management team to like, manage
1:20:33
my account, I would never use Facebook again.
1:20:37
I would, I don't know, I'd figure out what, because I've
1:20:39
still been trying to figure out a way of like, making my
1:20:41
account. I don't know.
1:20:42
My account already has the highest priorities privacy
1:20:45
settings imaginable, but I barely use Facebook like my
1:20:48
actual profile. Like I interact in some groups
1:20:52
and stuff but like, It's mostly just meme stuff to them in like
1:20:55
now, and again. But like ultimately, yeah, I
1:20:57
don't really use it. Like, who uses Facebook anymore?
1:21:01
Like, like you say, people when they're like 50s and sharing
1:21:03
pictures of their kids and dogs and shit, and it's like, okay
1:21:06
great, I'm glad you're happy. But most people I'm really
1:21:10
because it's not really, got much interesting stuff.
1:21:12
And now people are starting to use it as basis for fact, like
1:21:16
they get their news from their nest, egg ologies, that's
1:21:19
deadly. That's that's the beginning of
1:21:22
the end of civilization right there.
1:21:28
But you are really. You write about Twitter though
1:21:30
so it is become. I mean, Twitter still has a
1:21:33
bunch of crap on that, don't get me wrong but it's, I feel like
1:21:37
when something is going on in the world, like Twitter's the
1:21:40
first to know about it, like Jim and I mean, I don't know, it
1:21:43
just say, I hope I am. I different uses for like
1:21:47
Facebook. I lost my password like three
1:21:49
years ago and I haven't bothered to get that back.
1:21:52
Yeah, for the show. I literally met Facebook.
1:21:55
And that was it. I don't even use it.
1:21:57
Twitter, Instagram and Reddit. I love for either each reason
1:22:02
like Instagram, I say, up-to-date social with friends
1:22:06
and family, what not? It's cool.
1:22:08
You get interesting posts of what's going on description.
1:22:11
Twitter is like where I get my news.
1:22:15
Well and read it but Twitter you get your news from like, what's
1:22:19
going on with like say this sports team or this celebrity
1:22:22
you get to see their tags, what they upload while read it is
1:22:26
like just sort of let there's the news feed that love.
1:22:30
That's my favorite for news. I wish everyone would get their
1:22:32
news from there because I'm ready.
1:22:34
Yeah, it sounds crazy. But when you look at the, it's
1:22:37
nothing but articles. So you see like the guardian or
1:22:40
even New York Times or even New York pose like you see the
1:22:44
different sides? You know I agree with you that
1:22:46
actually cuz a lot of time with read it, you get sort of what
1:22:50
Karma points, bonus points more Prestige if you actually post a
1:22:55
legitimate Source. Whereas if you just post any old
1:22:58
crap, people call you out for it.
1:22:59
So yeah, I agree with you that I think there's some effort.
1:23:03
Yeah. And I suppose it depends where
1:23:05
you are on read it because there's a lot of toxicity or
1:23:07
minute, but then there's a lot of sources on there and useful
1:23:11
subreddits for news and history and culture.
1:23:15
Sure and stuff. So very, very because the rape
1:23:18
the right ones like they have to be get fact-checked.
1:23:21
Like, they have to be good news sources and even like the
1:23:25
majority like I'm among the majority where I'll see a
1:23:27
headline. And I'm like, I don't want to
1:23:30
read a whole article right now, but I love a top.
1:23:33
Comment will be like, Snippets from the article taking out the
1:23:36
most important detail tldr tldr. That's what it is.
1:23:40
Yeah, exactly. What's that stand for again?
1:23:43
I forget too long, didn't read? Yep.
1:23:47
It's to know what is so true as well?
1:23:49
Because a lot of the time when you do read those articles like
1:23:52
legitimately you don't like that article could have been a
1:23:56
paragraph, but they choose to fluff it up because they have to
1:23:59
justify their payroll and they're paying their jobs and
1:24:02
stuff, but it's like, that didn't need to be 1,200 words.
1:24:05
It's just the, you know, the news, it's the journalists.
1:24:10
You know, having fun with their ego.
1:24:12
Like yeah, I'm a writer, you know, I write passionate stop,
1:24:18
you know, it's like it's rare that it's like, you need to read
1:24:21
or 1200 words of it like sometimes.
1:24:24
But rarely most of the time. Yeah.
1:24:26
It could just be a quick. Here's our son.
1:24:30
So I'm like capture me. But yeah, lava is fluff.
1:24:33
Like, all right, if we put two more paragraphs now, we can
1:24:35
squeeze another ad and maybe two more.
1:24:38
We can squeeze in another law, add right there.
1:24:40
It's money. That's the real reason they do.
1:24:42
Yeah, that's why I love ready because the tlb are like is
1:24:47
perfect. It literally gives you the bulk
1:24:48
Bill throwing like the stats and then I walk away with like a
1:24:52
decent understanding. So that's why I wish everybody
1:24:55
would get on it. But the only generation tends
1:24:58
like Facebook and that has a history of not being accurate,
1:25:04
put like that, Facebook annoys me anyway, like, I had to
1:25:08
account before. For my current was so my account
1:25:11
before was my like original I made in like I don't know.
1:25:16
2009-present tends to another and I deleted it because I
1:25:20
wanted to delete it and then they just never deleted it.
1:25:23
And I've since message Facebook saying like hey can you please
1:25:26
delete this? I don't use it anymore and I
1:25:29
haven't done for the past 11 years and they still won't
1:25:32
delete it. And it's like Fuck.
1:25:35
Like why I try to keep like their numbers up like oh we have
1:25:38
this many profiles as well. Yes, I know my stupid.
1:25:46
I want delete mine. The problem is, like I said, I
1:25:49
don't know, my password and then I enter the email.
1:25:52
What is my password? And I don't even know my email.
1:25:56
Yeah, but I do yeah, that profiles up probably run by some
1:26:00
brush and Bot tweeting some, posting some crazy article,
1:26:04
conspiracy theories, and I'll have no idea.
1:26:07
Bill, you just gotta look like a crazy man in the pit of my
1:26:11
friends. Are you saying all these things
1:26:13
on Facebook? What's wrong with you?
1:26:15
All my friends around, like all my old high school friends were
1:26:18
look at him and be like, she's what happened to this kid.
1:26:21
Holy shit. He felt the beep and maybe it
1:26:26
for. Do you have any sort of jobs
1:26:28
outside of broadcasting or you is, is this just your film
1:26:31
career? Now, I wish it was my fault.
1:26:34
My career now, I own. I'm in the process of looking
1:26:36
for a mechanical engineer job. Oh, that's right.
1:26:40
Yeah. Sorry said in the beginning?
1:26:41
Yeah, cool cool. But at the same time I'm trying
1:26:44
to switch. Feels like I had a interview
1:26:47
with the studio71 because I want to be like an audio engineer and
1:26:53
this has all been a great resume but it's still hard to actually
1:26:56
get the job. So I'm trying to become like a
1:26:59
production assistant or just like a freelance worker
1:27:01
somewhere else. So treated like I've got degree
1:27:05
in four years experience in marketing and I've been
1:27:07
unemployed for the last year. It happens, nice crazy like and
1:27:13
I've had more work and success. With freelancing that seems to
1:27:16
be the career that's happened. And I'm fine with that.
1:27:19
I am. That's what I want because I
1:27:20
want Financial Freedom. I want no, not just Financial
1:27:23
freedom, freedom of time, freedom to choose hours, because
1:27:27
I think that's a thing as well as everyone is productive at
1:27:30
different times. I don't think the whole nine to
1:27:32
five thing really should apply for everyone.
1:27:34
And yeah I've spoken to people on the phone as well where they
1:27:38
won't allow remote working and they say their workers loved it.
1:27:42
I loved being in the office and I'm like, ha ha.
1:27:45
Screw you you wrong then they just too afraid to say that they
1:27:50
don't want to die. He had she had the audacity to
1:27:53
say that to me. Oh yeah, my workers love working
1:27:56
in the office. They miss it so much.
1:27:58
It's like, oh shit. Don't maybe that bullshit in the
1:28:02
background there crying or like every time the boss comes in.
1:28:05
They're like oh shit. Yes, I'm so happy here.
1:28:09
Yes, yes, I love it. It's great.
1:28:12
You got to be pulling the lips up so they're smiling.
1:28:15
Eiling. Okay, so yeah.
1:28:19
You what you want to be a sound engineer?
1:28:20
That's the plan then. Well, best of luck with that,
1:28:22
man. I hope it works out for you and,
1:28:25
you know, I mean, it's not too much of a departure from what
1:28:28
you're doing now, really. I mean, it's certainly your in
1:28:31
the White Field. I don't need, you know?
1:28:32
I mean like I hope so and I hope it works out too, but I'd kiss
1:28:38
like, the mechanical engineer degree compared to like the like
1:28:43
audio production, assistant or audio went freelance.
1:28:46
And it's a bit different like the interview he says I ask then
1:28:50
you have a question for me says yeah.
1:28:53
So I see mechanical engineer. Can you tell me about that?
1:28:57
Is the ferry sort of different. It still has a audio engineer
1:29:01
but It's not like the inverse but it's the opposite.
1:29:07
Yeah, so we mentioned at the top of this that you're from
1:29:11
Connecticut. What are the best and worst
1:29:13
things about Connecticut? Yeah.
1:29:16
So what's the worst about I can I get ya?
1:29:22
Because I asked a lot of my guests.
1:29:24
This, when they're from a place, I have an interview from before,
1:29:27
and I always like to get, like, an honest and account for that
1:29:31
person because obviously, you don't want Bury your hometown,
1:29:33
but at the same time like you're going to be honest about it.
1:29:35
It's not like you're the mayor or something, you know, you're
1:29:37
gonna give me like legit like, well this is good, this is shit.
1:29:41
This is how it is. Yeah I get it.
1:29:44
That's why I say worse because people like to Source shit, I
1:29:48
Connecticut not too much. We are so we do have our ups and
1:29:51
downs. Basically, Connecticut is
1:29:53
squeezed between Boston, New York city.
1:29:57
So that's like we're like that middle ground.
1:30:00
And we have the city of Hartford with Which cop became less
1:30:04
shithole, its fell apart, but starting to come back around.
1:30:06
So hopefully it gets better. We everything's close together.
1:30:12
Because why don't realize compared to like the West Coast
1:30:14
or other. I feel like Europe is actually
1:30:16
similar to New England or Connecticut.
1:30:18
Where everything's close together but there's not too
1:30:21
much to do. We don't have like the best
1:30:23
beaches we have some decent skiing snowboarding if you drive
1:30:27
up to Vermont. But it's a we do have a top-five
1:30:32
taxes tax rate so that's a gray people.
1:30:35
Love that, no tax, that's what whoop.
1:30:40
And I think we're like top five, worse infrastructure and like
1:30:43
Road Sprouts like in the country to muscle up all hose and stuff.
1:30:49
Oh yeah, everywhere like you can't walk without seeing a
1:30:51
pothole. You can't drive without driving
1:30:53
over 1, so that's Connecticut. You've sold me?
1:31:01
Yeah. See I moved to Connecticut.
1:31:03
There you go. Rio is oh yeah.
1:31:08
And also where we've been the next state to legalize weed for
1:31:11
the past five years so maybe the legalize it soon but they've
1:31:15
been saying that for a while that that would be a big bonus.
1:31:18
I think it allowed drive more people into the state when they
1:31:21
can legally smoke. That would be New York, just
1:31:24
legalized it. And so many people have been
1:31:27
leaving Connecticut to go to Massachusetts, to get the legal
1:31:30
weed there. And then they just drive back
1:31:32
over the border and their We allowed to carry it into the on,
1:31:37
it's illegal. But you can legally biomass and
1:31:39
then you like, tuck under your seat or something or the cop
1:31:42
pulls you over. Be like, hey, here's a little
1:31:44
bit Dona, we good, you didn't see anything pal.
1:31:50
All right, I remember, I got pulled over in New Hampshire
1:31:56
with some friends and like we had weed because we like drove
1:32:00
the Massachusetts and it's not funny that when we get pulled
1:32:03
over we're like worried. Wait, wait, wait and then we
1:32:06
realize wait, it's legal here. This is completely fine.
1:32:11
This is fine. This is this is totally fine.
1:32:13
Yeah we're not doing anything illegal here.
1:32:15
That's yeah that's right. All right yeah relax guys yeah
1:32:21
yeah we know that body Stone. The trunk crap.
1:32:24
I knew we forgot something goddamn it.
1:32:31
What I want to switch it up? What's the biggest life lesson
1:32:37
that you've learned so far? There's a there's a few I guess
1:32:47
like I must say like three small ones.
1:32:51
Oh no that's cheating. It says many as you want. 3 Min
1:32:55
3 medium big. So not larger.
1:32:56
So three big. Okay.
1:32:58
So number one, try to be I guess try to be generalists in life.
1:33:05
So what that means is, you don't have to worry about being a
1:33:09
specialist, you don't have to be a pure expert on everything.
1:33:13
Just be a generalist, have a general idea of many things.
1:33:16
Make sure your general idea is like accurate and don't stress
1:33:20
up too much. Don't give yourself imposter
1:33:21
syndrome. Just understand what, you know,
1:33:24
try to develop it. And the end that kind of feeds
1:33:27
into stoicism of, like, can control, what you can control,
1:33:31
whatever you can't control. So be it, whatever that the
1:33:37
butterfly effect, that's actually the way logo of my
1:33:41
show. The Y has a two arrows pointing
1:33:44
off and I can dive more into it. But like the general idea is,
1:33:49
when you come up to a road, any options in your life, there's
1:33:53
options to choose from you. Go left or right but just
1:33:56
realize that they will have Jurassic impacts.
1:33:59
It's literally butterfly, like, everybody's heard you step on a
1:34:02
butterfly and the freaking Toyota Camry, and California
1:34:05
blows up for whatever reason. So don't let again stoicism.
1:34:10
Don't let that stress you out too much but just the smallest
1:34:14
decisions can have the biggest impacts.
1:34:19
And the referee. With the third one was, the
1:34:21
third one is, don't forget. When number three is a fair
1:34:27
enough. Fair enough, thank you for
1:34:29
sharing know, the third one is never speak about Fight Club.
1:34:32
That's it. Let me speak.
1:34:39
As we draw things to a close for today, do you have any upcoming
1:34:43
projects that you'd like to share or maybe some final
1:34:45
thoughts? Do you like to leave our
1:34:46
listeners with sounds good? So, on upcoming projects, One of
1:34:54
the coin tonight is Silk Road, that's going to are like four
1:34:58
weeks. And that's about.
1:34:59
Basically, this whole, was it the dark market and how drugs
1:35:03
are sold over, the dark web, that's going to be exciting one
1:35:08
and I'm forgetting the other one, there's like, two or three
1:35:12
others, but there's one other exciting.
1:35:13
One, it'll come back to me in a minute probably balsamic.
1:35:16
Final thoughts is pretty audience, just I guess whatever
1:35:20
you want to do in life, just do it like You brought up before,
1:35:24
but when you say you're gonna do something or I'm gonna do this,
1:35:29
I'm gonna do that. They actually did studies,
1:35:31
where, like, you get the dopamine release in your brain
1:35:34
and the satisfaction of doing something, even though you
1:35:37
haven't done it because you say, I'm going to do something.
1:35:39
So you feel like you've already done it and therefore you'll you
1:35:42
won't do that thing. So try to take action in your
1:35:46
life and when I say that, then when you see all those posts
1:35:49
about, we need to help this cause or You see that mountain
1:35:54
you want to hike or you see that something you want to do,
1:35:57
realize what I said before? So that you actually do what you
1:36:01
do in life But my father, thank you very much for sharing.
1:36:07
I really appreciate it. And yeah, just thank you very
1:36:10
much for agreeing to be a guest on the show.
1:36:12
It's been actually pleasure listening to you and listen to
1:36:15
your story. Nothing is forever me on the
1:36:20
show. You know, can tell people where
1:36:22
to go for my show. Absolutely, yes, please.
1:36:25
Please plug of course, of course.
1:36:27
Yeah. So the advice, actually, the
1:36:33
most important advice. Number one priority is just got
1:36:36
podcast away.com. Like just podcast the wait, I
1:36:40
can't do that ven. Thank you, awesome.
1:36:43
Yeah, I know that my my listeners will definitely check
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you out. Other the low bunch.
1:36:49
So yeah, like I said, thank you very much for appearing on the
1:36:54
show. It's been an absolute pleasure
1:36:56
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