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Ranking Every 2005 Tooth & Nail Records Album · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 3: Be?
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 4: Today we've got our good friend Meg Ryan with us. Meg,
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  Speaker 4: you are probably one of the most tooth and nail
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  Speaker 4: people I've ever met. And when I when I say
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  Speaker 4: tooth and nail people like you obviously were raised on
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  Speaker 4: tooth and nail as if it was breast milk. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if that analogy has ever been made, but
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  Speaker 4: it really is. It's truly a real thing. And uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I feel like you know, Colin and I
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  Speaker 4: we're definitely raised on that breast milk that is tooth
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  Speaker 4: and nail records as well.
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  Speaker 3: So, uh, you know, you're one of the same.
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  Speaker 4: When I, when I think of Culin and I as
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  Speaker 4: tooth and nail kids, you're you're just like you're one
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  Speaker 4: of us like you. You are a tooth andnail kid
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  Speaker 4: through and through, and obviously there's many of those in
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  Speaker 4: the world, and so I can't think of any more
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  Speaker 4: tooth and nail person in my life the other than
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  Speaker 4: culin than you, Meg Ryan.
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  Speaker 2: I am flattered. Definitely. It opened an entire world for me.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm very grateful that this label exists.
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  Speaker 4: And you're still sucking on that breast milk that is
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  Speaker 4: tooth fnail record. You never weaned off for that one.
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  Speaker 4: You never weaned off.
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  Speaker 2: Keeping the analogy, it would be very old old breast
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  Speaker 2: milk because I enjoy it.
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  Speaker 3: Might be a little kurdled at this point.
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  Speaker 1: What do you call fermented breast milk? They have a
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  Speaker 1: name for everything that's fermented.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds like mozzarella, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: I was about to say breast milk cheese.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe. Yeah, Tom's fine with me.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's what we do with animals, might as
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  Speaker 4: well do it with humans, right, Yeah, you know what?
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  Speaker 3: Who am I to judge? Right?
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  Speaker 4: All right, Well, enough of breast milk talk. Let's dive
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  Speaker 4: into this episode. So the reason why we brought you
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  Speaker 4: on here, mag is obviously again you are like one
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  Speaker 4: of the more knowledgeable people I've ever met around Tooth
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  Speaker 4: and Nail records. And we are in the year twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty five, which means that exactly twenty years ago was
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  Speaker 4: two thousand and five, a great year of Tooth and
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  Speaker 4: Nail records, And so the theologian, that's yeah, I really
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  Speaker 4: had to I really worked for that one, though, I
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  Speaker 4: really worked for that one. So twenty years ago in
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  Speaker 4: two thousand and five, we were all at whatever ages
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  Speaker 4: we were. We're not gonna disclose that, but we were
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  Speaker 4: at whatever ages we were. We were listening to Tooth
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  Speaker 4: and Nail records that came out that year, and so
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  Speaker 4: those albums came out, we were listening to all of them.
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  Speaker 4: And now here we are twenty years later, and we're
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  Speaker 4: looking back on those albums and we're going to see
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  Speaker 4: what hit then, what hits now, and where do we
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  Speaker 4: rank it. So, if you are a listener of this podcast,
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  Speaker 4: a long time listener to this podcast, last year we
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  Speaker 4: did this specifically for two thousand and four Solid State Albums,
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  Speaker 4: So I go back and listen to that episode. It's
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  Speaker 4: a really fun one. But this year we're going to
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  Speaker 4: do two thousand and five Tooth and Nail Records, which
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  Speaker 4: means that there are some albums on here that you're like, well,
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  Speaker 4: that was technically released on Tooth and Nail. That's probably true,
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  Speaker 4: but it was actually technically if you look on like
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  Speaker 4: the copyrights whatever nonsense on the back of the CD
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  Speaker 4: case back when CDs were a thing in two thousand
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  Speaker 4: and five, it actually says solid State. So if it
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  Speaker 4: was actually a Solid State album that came out as
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  Speaker 4: a Solid State album, we are disqualifying that from this
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  Speaker 4: list that we're going to go through. So these are
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  Speaker 4: specific Tooth and Nail albums that were released as a
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  Speaker 4: Tooth and Nail album.
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  Speaker 3: So that's what we're gonna do.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna rank them, and then we're gonna based on
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  Speaker 4: that ranking, we're gonna we're gonna do a little S
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  Speaker 4: tier list to figure out.
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  Speaker 3: Where where these all you know, land for us.
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  Speaker 4: You might disagree with us, you might agree with us.
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  Speaker 4: We'll find out. But this will be a fun time
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  Speaker 4: to just reminisce back in two thousand and five when
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  Speaker 4: Nokia phones were still a thing. I was watching a
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  Speaker 4: lot of MythBusters and I have no idea what you
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  Speaker 4: were doing calling, But you're probably just learning about your
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  Speaker 4: own body.
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  Speaker 1: Probably probably playing a lot of Star Wars on the Xbox.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so probably learning a lot about your own body
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  Speaker 4: at that time too.
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  Speaker 3: Let's not go comment.
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  Speaker 1: I will say that I do feel like I am
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  Speaker 1: like committing like record label adultery almost a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: because we're doing we're doing Tooth and Nail, which is
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  Speaker 1: a fine year for Tooth and Nail records, but this
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  Speaker 1: is the best year two thousand and five for Solid
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  Speaker 1: Stay records. I mean, it was just like one Magnum
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  Speaker 1: opus after another in my opinion. So I do feel
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  Speaker 1: a little bit heartbroken that we're not doing that, We're
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  Speaker 1: not doing Solid Stay. But maybe we can maybe squeeze
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  Speaker 1: one of those episodes in at some point before the
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  Speaker 1: end of the year.
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  Speaker 3: Will Yeah, well fine.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate you said that, Colin, because there is a
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  Speaker 2: record on the Solid State label from two thousand and
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  Speaker 2: five that kind of changed my life, and so I
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  Speaker 2: was like weighing it. But there's a bunch of other
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  Speaker 2: Solid State albums from that year that I have never
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  Speaker 2: listened to in my life. So I had to forego
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  Speaker 2: forego one of my favorite records of all time to
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  Speaker 2: talk about other albums that I know better understandable.
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  Speaker 3: It's the Pricey Pay, It's a pricey Pay.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's ask what was that record that changed your
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  Speaker 1: life on the solid State?
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  Speaker 2: That was As Cities Burns. Then I Love You at
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  Speaker 2: Your Darkest.
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  Speaker 4: Unbelievable, one one of the best ones.
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  Speaker 3: And guess what you missed? That was that the first
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  Speaker 3: year Fornsfest that they played that all the way through.
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  Speaker 3: And I do recall, Meg, you were not there.
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  Speaker 2: I was not there. No, I was not. I don't
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  Speaker 2: remember if it was was that, you know. You know
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  Speaker 2: how I remember that and you might remember this too,
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  Speaker 2: is because it was when I first met you and
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  Speaker 2: we had a conversation in Minnesota at some brewery and
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  Speaker 2: you said, this, this is an incredible fest, like it
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  Speaker 2: might be once in a lifetime thing. And I was
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  Speaker 2: hemming and huying because the same night one of my
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  Speaker 2: favorite bands of all time, Fiddlehead, was playing in the
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  Speaker 2: Bay and so I did not go to Furnace Fest.
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  Speaker 2: But it also didn't work out with my work schedule
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  Speaker 2: at the time, so I partially regret it. I partially don't.
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  Speaker 2: Fiddlehead was my first show back from COVID. It was
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  Speaker 2: pretty epic. I cried, but I do the very next year,
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  Speaker 2: so okay, well.
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  Speaker 3: Effort, and you were not there either.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I was there this year, thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why I ended up on this podcast because
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  Speaker 2: Colin said, hey, Mason, why hasn't Meg been on the
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  Speaker 2: podcast yet?
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  Speaker 4: And I felt really guilty about it, so I was like,
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  Speaker 4: all right, we gotta figure this out asap.
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  Speaker 3: So here we are. We figured it out.
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  Speaker 2: Here we are.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, shall we get into this? Like I
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  Speaker 4: said before, no solid state albums, So if you're gonna
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  Speaker 4: complain about the fact that there's no Solid State albums,
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  Speaker 4: too bad. That's another episode for another time, and I
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  Speaker 4: actually would love to make that episode.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll figure that out. But we're going just tooth
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  Speaker 3: and nail.
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  Speaker 4: So if you want albums that are actually gonna like
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  Speaker 4: hurt your ears, you know, listen to that episode and
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  Speaker 4: whenever that comes out. But we're gonna like, we're gonna
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  Speaker 4: take the softer route, We're gonna take the cooler route,
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna take the ambient route, we're gonna take the
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  Speaker 4: indie route.
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  Speaker 3: So that's what we're gonna do.
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  Speaker 4: So there are thirteen albums we're gonna go through each
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  Speaker 4: of these albums by the order that they were released.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, so we're gonna go.
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  Speaker 4: In that, and then what we're gonna do is we're
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  Speaker 4: going to Initially we're gonna rank them. Is this my
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  Speaker 4: favorite album of two thousand and five Tooth and Nail
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  Speaker 4: already messing it up? Is this my favorite album from
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  Speaker 4: Tooth and Nail albums in two thousand and five, or
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  Speaker 4: is it my least favorite? And so we're gonna rank
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  Speaker 4: one through thirteen, each one of us. And then based
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  Speaker 4: on our scores here that we ranked them, then we'll
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  Speaker 4: be able to divide it out into our s tier A,
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  Speaker 4: Tier B, tier so on and so forth list.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll get that all figured out. So here we are.
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  Speaker 3: We're ready to go. Are you ready to go? Let's
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  Speaker 3: do it all right, let's do it.
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  Speaker 4: So the very first album that came out in two
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  Speaker 4: thousand and five from Tooth and Nail Records. And by
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  Speaker 4: the way, I should also note no live albums, no compilations,
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  Speaker 4: none of that nonsense. These are our original albums, no deluxe,
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  Speaker 4: no deluxe's ridge albums that came out that initial year.
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  Speaker 4: So the very first one that came out, and it
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  Speaker 4: was actually February first, which is interesting. There were I
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  Speaker 4: don't think there were really any albums that came out
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  Speaker 4: in January. I don't know if or if Toothingail and
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  Speaker 4: Solid State like kind of avoid January release dates. But
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  Speaker 4: the very first one that came out Amberlin's Never Take
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  Speaker 4: Friendship Personal. We're starting off with the banger, just saying, so,
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  Speaker 4: Meg cullin myself, how did this album hit you when
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  Speaker 4: you were whatever age you were in two thousand and five?
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Meg, okay.
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  Speaker 2: I will just say off the bat, I rank this
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  Speaker 2: as my number two of all of the thirteen albums.
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  Speaker 2: I heard the song paper Thin Him, and it was
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  Speaker 2: like right as I was getting into emo, so like
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  Speaker 2: not not quite hard metalcore yet not quite hardcore. Those
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  Speaker 2: came a little bit later, but it was like that
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  Speaker 2: screamy emo sound, like pretty much third wave emo, but
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  Speaker 2: with some screams here and there what you would maybe
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  Speaker 2: call now mall scream o, but like the most perfect
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  Speaker 2: version of that. And that Amberlin record had this beautiful
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  Speaker 2: mix of being poppy and catchy and like kind of joyful,
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  Speaker 2: but also had some like very freaking emo lyrics and
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  Speaker 2: like pissed off and relationship oriented and having just gone
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  Speaker 2: through a breakup around this time. It it was important
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  Speaker 2: to teenage Meg and it stayed in my CD player
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  Speaker 2: for a very very long time. My mom had some
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  Speaker 2: kind of I think it was through Christian book distributors
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  Speaker 2: or something, but you were allowed to get like a
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  Speaker 2: certain amount of CDs per month, and so each of
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  Speaker 2: me and my three siblings got to choose one a month,
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  Speaker 2: and that is one of the ones that I chose
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  Speaker 2: from that from that month whenever it came out and
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  Speaker 2: loved it, still love it. I have seen them play
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  Speaker 2: through it all the way through live twice in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty five. Once was with Maddy what's his name who
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  Speaker 2: came over into me moment, thank you, thank you. And
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  Speaker 2: then at Furnace Fest, like bomb dropped, he showed Stephen
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  Speaker 2: Christian shows up like he's just he's singing, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: this is incredible, No, it just he was just there.
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  Speaker 2: I was like maybe tm I using the porta potty
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  Speaker 2: when they started, and I'm like, wait, that is his voice.
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  Speaker 2: That is not Mattie's voice, and so I was like
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  Speaker 2: ah and I ran and it was wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: That's a that all makes sense to me. You know
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  Speaker 1: that when the album hits you at the perfect time
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  Speaker 1: in your life, it can have undue influence on one's experiences. Right,
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  Speaker 1: That's that's the beauty of you know, this little niche
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  Speaker 1: that we've kind of fallen into. Especially for me, this
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  Speaker 1: album was number six. I think that it's a fine album.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a very good album. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: I think it's probably Amberlin's best album in my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: I think that Stephen Christian especially was like he was
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  Speaker 1: exploring a lot of different ways to utilize his voice.
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  Speaker 1: And as their career kind of went on, he became
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  Speaker 1: he kind of became more one note. But this record
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  Speaker 1: he is not afraid to just kind of experiment with everything.
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  Speaker 1: And I will say, especially around this time live Amberlin
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  Speaker 1: was amazing because he Stephen Christian in particular, amped it
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  Speaker 1: up big time. Like most the most of the set,
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  Speaker 1: he'd be pretty much like screaming and as a burgeoning
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  Speaker 1: or burden yeah burgeoning, Uh metal.
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  Speaker 3: Head, you're about to say bludgeoning. I didn't realize that
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  Speaker 3: he was on Soliday Records.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, as a burgeoning metal head I was I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's for me. I like that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I will say I do think that I do think
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  Speaker 1: that Amberlin's a little bit overrated in my opinion. I've
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  Speaker 1: never really felt like they do anything that is like
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  Speaker 1: so extraordinary or so out of the box. But what
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  Speaker 1: they do do that very very well is they make
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  Speaker 1: solid songs through and through and that's uh, that is
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  Speaker 1: the most important part of making music is making songs
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  Speaker 1: that people actually want to listen to. So yah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I have it at six Mason, where are you at?
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  Speaker 3: Uh, it's actually at number two for me?
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  Speaker 1: Wow?
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  Speaker 2: Hell yeah?
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  Speaker 3: This album when I was how old was I I'm
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  Speaker 3: trying to do my math.
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  Speaker 2: I thought we weren't doing.
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  Speaker 4: February of two thousand and five. Well, you can disclose
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  Speaker 4: your age if you want. I'm not going to assume
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  Speaker 4: it in two thousand and five. In February, I would
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  Speaker 4: have been a fourth grader. So back when I was
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  Speaker 4: a fourth grader and this album came out, I mean
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  Speaker 4: it was huge for me. I remember watching the I
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  Speaker 4: think the song is called a Day Late. I remember
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  Speaker 4: watching that music video and just falling in love with that.
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  Speaker 4: And then also when you know, paper Thin Him comes
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  Speaker 4: out such a great song, so heavy. One of the
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  Speaker 4: things that I think like now looking back of why,
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  Speaker 4: like I think back, like why did I like Amberlince
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  Speaker 4: so much when I was that age? They what they did,
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  Speaker 4: and I think is part of the reason why I
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  Speaker 4: appreciate them still to this day. What they do so
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  Speaker 4: well is they are actually musically, if you take Steven's
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  Speaker 4: singing out of it, they are musically, at least in
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  Speaker 4: this era, a heavy band.
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  Speaker 3: Like they have some like meaty.
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  Speaker 4: Riffs that I if you put a screen like they
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  Speaker 4: could they could easily pass almost as this sort of
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  Speaker 4: like well now we would call it as like an
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  Speaker 4: easy core band, but like kind of that post hardcore
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  Speaker 4: kind of thing if you put some screaming on it.
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  Speaker 4: But they yeah, they were a heavy band musically. I
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  Speaker 4: think what made them kind of in this more popular
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  Speaker 4: poppy element is the fact that Steven does kind of
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  Speaker 4: have this soft, gentle voice that can also do this
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  Speaker 4: really beautiful emo thing, And so that's why they kind
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  Speaker 4: of get catapulted into this more like pop just alternative
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  Speaker 4: rock world, whereas like if you just listen to just
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  Speaker 4: the Rifts themselves, they're pretty heavy. So anyway, I the
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  Speaker 4: way that Amberlin has been able to balance that dynamic
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  Speaker 4: between his singing and the kind of tour writing and
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  Speaker 4: drumming and just the rhythm section that they're they're writing.
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  Speaker 4: They've been able to play that dynamic really well, and
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  Speaker 4: obviously I think this album in particular does it the
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  Speaker 4: most perfectly in that in terms of that dynamic, and
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  Speaker 4: so it's great songwriting. It's yeah, just that great dynamic.
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  Speaker 4: It's number two for me. It's an incredible album.
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  Speaker 3: Meg. You said that you saw them on the twentieth
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  Speaker 3: anniversary tour.
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  Speaker 4: I just saw them as well with Copeland and it
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  Speaker 4: was incredible, And yeah, they are just absolutely lovely.
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  Speaker 3: They're just incredible band.
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  Speaker 4: This is in particular my favorite, for sure, my favorite
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  Speaker 4: Amberlyn album. It's probably my like it's probably the Amberlin
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  Speaker 4: album that I probably the only one that I actually
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  Speaker 4: listened to front to back. So I love this album,
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  Speaker 4: but it's number two.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a couple of footnotes Dad, which I
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  Speaker 2: will not have for other bands. But since this is
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  Speaker 2: my number two, I did want to say to Colin,
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you that Amberlin in general can be overrated,
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  Speaker 2: and yet at the same time, because I haven't listened
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  Speaker 2: to much of their later stuff at all, I'm with
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  Speaker 2: Mason I've listened to this album so many times. It's incredible.
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  Speaker 2: But I also agree when Mason said that, like musically
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  Speaker 2: they're heavy. The first Amberlin song I ever heard was
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  Speaker 2: the I think it's called Change the World and it's
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  Speaker 2: from the record right before this, and I was like
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  Speaker 2: a freshman in high school, and the musically it was
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  Speaker 2: so heavy, and that was exactly what I was starting
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  Speaker 2: to listen to at the time, and so it just
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  Speaker 2: grabbed me. And shout out to Tooth and Nail, I
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  Speaker 2: did want to say. At a local Christian music fest
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  Speaker 2: that I had been going to since I was in
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  Speaker 2: fourth grade, like Mason, a few years after it started,
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  Speaker 2: there was a Tooth and Nail booth there where you
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  Speaker 2: could buy tooth Nail merch and CDs and just everything.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I bought a Tooth and Nail compilation which had I
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: believe paper Thin him on it, which is how I
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: heard of Amberlin in the first place. So shout out
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: to the Tooth and Nail comp I do.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I actually do have one little footnote as well. I
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: don't know if either of you ever traversed the wonderful
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: website that was pure volume.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Why are you even questioning that? Right?
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I feel yeah, absolutely.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Dude, Mason, I couldn't remember if you if you remembered,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: and then Meg, I wasn't sure if you did or didn't.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: But what I always loved was the fact that you
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: could always like download one or two free songs. Yes,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: that was That was my gateway into Tooth and Nail
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: and Solid State in general. And this was one of
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: the very first songs I ever downloaded off of it.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: So for a good reason. Alright, what's the next? Oh yeah,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: our our score there is three point three three.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: Three points all right, so should we just put that
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: in S tier right now?
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I think that's probably going to be S two, yes,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: more than like for now. We'll move things around as
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: as things go on.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, so here we go, whoa where? Yeah?
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, look this fun little thing. All right, So we're
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: at S tire and we'll move them around as.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: We go so you never know that album coming too.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: I think is really doing that.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: It's gorgeous, it's beautiful.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Mace, what's the next record?
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: The next record is Bleaches Farewell Old Friends, which came
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: out a month later on March first of twenty twenty
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: or of twenty five. So Bleaches, Farewell, old friends. I
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: don't know if you want me to go first, but
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: I'll just say I didn't really listen to this album
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: much when, if if really at all, when I was younger.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Listening to it now, obviously you really great. You get
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: that like incredible, like early two thousands alternative rock. I
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: do think when I listen to that now, there's maybe
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: this level of nostalgia, but I'm not sure if it's
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: if it's like if it's just nostalgia, or if it's
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: something where it's like, wow, this actually really stands up
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: to this day. I don't know if I can like
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: parse that out well enough yet. So yeah, it was
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: an album that I honestly I can't really say whether
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: or not it hit back in two thousand and five.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: And I also am not exactly sure how I feel
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: about it now. I will say the guys from Bleach
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: incredible band. I'm super excited that they're like back together,
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: they're doing things. And I will say, though for this
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: album in particular, just not really sure how I think
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: about it. So I do have it ranked number eleven.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: All right, May I go next? Yeah? Go ahead, I'm sorry, No, you're.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Fine, Okay, I just think I relate to Mason so
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: much in this take. I loved Bleach in middle school,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: high school, loved them, and then by the time this
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: album came out in two thousand and five, I was
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: already shooting off into like either the genre of like
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: indie whatever that means, or like emo and like scream
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: oh stuff. And so I do not think I ever
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: listened to this album until now, until I was like
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: prepping for the pod. I think you hit the nail
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: on the head, Mason. It's very alt rock, like early
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: two thousands, late nineties, like almost There was one song,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I think it was the second song on the album,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: gave Me Sex and candy vibes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, their
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: first song super Weezer. The third song with the piano
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: just was a Christian Benfold song in my opinion. So
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: it was like kind of all over the place, and
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: they're all not really my thing, like all really not
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: my vibe. This here. I want to know what you
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: guys think about this. The seventh song, I forget even
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: what it's called on the record. It's very much the
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Jesus worship song where he says Hallelujah a bunch. Why
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: is that not the album closer. Why is that in
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: the middle of the album?
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Doesn't make much sense to me.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: It's like I was so confused.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: It's like an intercessory prayer almost, I guess, yes, well
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: as an intermission and as like a cleanser I guess.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, yeah, maybe maybe it is an intermission. The
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: second part of that, like worship song, is very rad.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: It's like nineties rock but better. But overall not a
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: huge fan of it, especially since I have these amazing
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: feelings about their older stuff and it was fun to
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: catch a little bit of their set at Furnace Fest.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I forget why I didn't see the whole thing. I
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: was probably seeing some hardcore band in the shed. But
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: I gave this one similar to Mason. I gave this
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: a twelve. This was my number twelve.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, Colin, I will I will say I do
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: have more commentary generally about this album after you go.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Though, Okay.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I I generally like Bleach, and I liked Bleach to
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: an extent. I did not I never had a chance
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: to like get like their full album back in the day.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I do remember downloading it off live wire, So yeah,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry to the uh, the big wigs over there
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: to know. But yeah, so I only had like a
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: handful of songs, and the songs that I did have
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: on my iPod were songs that I always like pictured
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: in a like I would like walk my dog late
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: at night and I would like make scenes in my
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: head to the music I was listening to. It was
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: just middle school me. Was was funny, and so I
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: always pictured like like a Mandy Moore or like a
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Jessica Alba like romantic movie. And for some reason, like
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Bleach songs always kind of like felt like they fit
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: that vibe super well. But also, like what you said, Meg,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I definitely feel like so much this feels like Weezer,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: which is funny because I kind of notoriously despise Weezer.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: And so even when you see my bear chest singing
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Weezer with my holy.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Only when Mason starts stripping on a party bus to
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: uh a sweater song, that that's the only time that
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I like Weezer. So yeah, to me, it's it's fine,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: it's it's I think every solid, every song is really solid,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: but nothing is like incredibly stand out in any extremely
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: meaningful way. But I do know there's a lot of
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: people that absolutely adore Bleach, and I get why, but
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily mean that I do.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I want to be clear. Okay, I want
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: to be clear. I don't know, Mason, if you feel
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: the same way, correct me if I'm wrong. I like
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of Bleach songs. I just don't like this album.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: And I would imagine that's probably kind of consensus with
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: most most Bleach fans as well. Here here's my kind
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: of thought around this, just generally not about Bleach, but
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: this album. It's literally called Farewell Old Friends. So they
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: wrote this entire album knowing, at at least at that time,
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: this is the last thing we're ever gonna do, yeah,
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: and then they marketed it as that, right, Like they
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: literally have an album called Farewell Old Friends, Right.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: So it's kind of this thing where it's like this
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: is our last hurrah.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: It's like it's like Kobe Bryant right before the end
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: of the season saying, hey, I'm gonna you know, this
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: is my last year or whatever, I'm gonna do this
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: farewell to our kind of thing. It's that it's that, right,
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: And I'm wondering, I don't know if I like that,
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: like it's one thing for a band to like go
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: in even if they knew like internally, hey, this is
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: the last this is the last thing.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: We'll ever do. Like I I always have a speculation
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: with colinbell I.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Pause pause pause, you better just are already start saying
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: that you hate Amberlance or not Amberlin, but to acid
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: he's burned then because they've done this so many times.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Now what Okay, Okay, the argument, your argument's going to
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: go in their bad direction. Mason.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: You should when No, when when did when did Acidies
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: burn have an album that said we're done?
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: How many times did they announce there?
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: No, No, I'm not talking about the announcement and going back.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: That's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about an album that.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Is released and marketed as this is the last thing
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: that we're doing. That's what these guys did, right, it's
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: farewell old friends, like they know that this is the
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: last thing that they're gonna do.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm like, That's what I'm saying, Okay, is
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know how.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: I feel about the fact that literally an album is
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: coming out saying like we're this is the last thing
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: we're ever gonna do and it kind of feels like.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: It's a dumb knitpick.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just it's it seems, but I'm not I'm
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: not saying it's nick pick.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: I'm just curious about, like what you all think about that.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: I just find it really like that's that seems odd,
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: Like I don't know, it just thinks it's fun to me.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I think it's fine. For everything that's creative, there's always
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: going to be a rebirth and stuff.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Like there couldn't be a different like marketing ploy of it,
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Like it couldn't be just its own standalone thing. No,
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: it has to be like the farewell album, Go ahead, Meg,
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: It's it's.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: A little on the nose. But I feel like I
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: can't agree with your take because one of my favorite
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: five Iron albums of all time is The End Is Near,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: and then the live album The End Is Here, And
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: of course they came back and we're all happy about
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: that and they're playing shows and I'm my fifteen year
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: old self and my current age self are very happy.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: But I love that album and it gave me a
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: chance to like grieve my favorite band, and so I
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: can't agree with your take, even though maybe the title
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: is a little on the nose, and I just don't
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: think it's a good last album. I think I care
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: more about the fact that it's not a great Bleach
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: album than the fact that it's their last album.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: That's fair, that's fair.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: Also, you uh five oarn is your favorite band and
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: you didn't see them last year at Furnessfest.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Crazy, Okay, I saw them like three times within a
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: year and a half, so give me a I flew
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: to freaking Colorado to go see them at a si gofest.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: So better. It was cheaper to live there for a
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: hot second.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I got to hang out with leon Or
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: so that was great. I know that you also got
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: to hang out with her for his best blah blah blah.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: But all right.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: The third album that came out on Tooth and Nail
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Records that year was none other than Maze the Everglow. Boy,
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: oh boy, I'm really curious to see how we uh
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: you know, how we show up for this one. So
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: who wants to go first? Also, we can rank, We'll
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: rank both, or we'll do the s tier thing for
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: both Bleach and me at the same time. But yeah,
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: how do we want to do Maze the Everglow I.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Can go first. Yes, I will say this. I was
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: late to the May game. I don't think I listened
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: to the ever Glow until like two thousand and eight,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: maybe two thousand and nine, somewhere around there. So I
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: was very late to the game.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: But it is kind of interesting because by two thousand
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: and eight, two thousand and nine, I mean I was
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: like full into heavy music, heavy music and classic rock.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: That was like all I ever listened to at that time,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: and so it was it was kind of interesting that May,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Little Old May just like popped up into my life
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: and for some reason it captured my attention very very strongly.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I've always liked the lush kind of arrangements that have
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: been created by May, and The Everglow does it better
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: than any other record that they've done. In my opinion,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: I think their dynamics are on the next level. I
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: think I think that the Everglow is also not just
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: the Everglow, but a lot of May stuff. It makes
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: me yearn for a time of when piano rock was
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: a thing, like when it was like a part of
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: like the zeitgeist, you know what I mean, Like when.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Well come on way downtown walk.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: In Yeah, and like, yeah exactly, or you know, like
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I just I kind of want that calming piano rock
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: to come.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Back, like I cannot believe it. It still hasn't, but.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I honestly, yeah, you brought that up probably like two
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: years ago.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: If New Metals coming back, why is piano rock not
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: coming back?
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we got to wait like another half
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: decade at least. No piano rock comes back. But when
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: it does, it's gonna be great, guys, It's gonna be great. Yeah.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: May And if you guys ever heard the band Civil.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Twilight, well used to show.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I think they don't have a lot in common, but
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: it's like that kind of piano rock that that that
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I want back in back in the world again, to
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: be not just popular, but like, you know, something that
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: people actually listen to. So I have it at number three.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead, Mac.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I did hear this album when it first came out
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: in two thousand and five, but I did not own it,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: and that is because a bunch of my friends in
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: my very Christian high school, who did not like the
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: screamy stuff or the scar stuff I was into around
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: this time, really liked very What's the right word I'm
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: looking for, like non obtrusive, like or like just very
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: easy listening.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Tame huh, easy listening, easy listening, but it's it's easier listening.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, listening to correct, so like it just yeah, not
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: not violent, non embrasive, very thank you. It's like, God,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: I've been teaching English all day long and using way
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: too many terms and my brain has shut down. That's
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: that's a fact. Okay. Yeah, so like, yeah, non abrasive
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: is correct. So my friends who didn't like that stuff
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: loved may So. I heard this album driving around in
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: my friend's cars all the time, and I enjoyed it.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: I didn't like it as much as they did, but
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it. And being a piano player myself,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: I mean I remember it's not from The Everglow, but
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: the song the piano version of I think it's called
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Giving It Away. Like I learned that song and just
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: the I used to know the beginning, the intro to
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: The ever Glow, And I still have a lot of
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: affinity for this album. Yeah, I never owned it on CD.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I do still listen to the song. I think it
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: must have been their single but Suspension, I listened to
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: that song on a regular basis because it is so
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: good and it's so cute too. The lyrics are so sweet.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: On my second on my like re listen over the
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: course of this week, the song Painless impressed me in
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: a way that I don't think it did in high
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: school because it reminded me of like old Jimmy Eat
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: World in like, yeah, and then the Ocean was also
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite tracks back in the day. But yeah,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I just even the title track is amazing, probably my
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: second favorite on the record. But I ranked this I
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: think number five. Let me check, Yeah, I ranked this
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: number five.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Good deal.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: This might be the album where there's gonna be the
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: least differentiation I think. So this album what's interesting? So, like,
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: you know, Suspension came out mag you just talked about it.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: It was the that the guitar intro kind of riff
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: in that song was the first riff I ever tried
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: to learn on my guitar. I remember like figuring out
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: how tabs worked, because the thing is like you can't
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: just like look at a tab and figure out how
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: you have to like figure out how they work. I
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: remember like trying to figure out how tabs work, and
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: that was the song I was wanting to learn how
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: to you know, figure out. And so anyway, that song
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: was like basically kind of the first song I ever
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: learned on the guitar, and it was because a lot
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: of the like kind of those kind of rock centric
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: songs on the Everglow just they really they did something
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: for me.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: They really did.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: And so I'm talking about like back in two thousand
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: and five when when the album came out, and I
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: still remember watching that Suspension music video on Steel Roots
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: and it almost kind of felt like I think around
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: that same time, there was that movie that came out
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: called Secondhand Lions.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: If you watch that one, for.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: Whatever reason, that cinematography felt similar, like kind of same setting.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: Whenever I think about like that music video, it kind
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: of has that similar vibe. But anyway, the great music video,
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: such a great song, and then as I've listened to
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: it since then, it has actually gotten better for me
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: because it was and I don't like i'd be curious
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: to know like from a like tooth and Nail, especially
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: like people who are like true tooth.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: And Nail historians.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: If it's like it has to be one of the
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: first it might not be the first, but it has
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: to be one of the more like first uh concept
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: albums on Tooth and Nail, probably because like they really do,
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: like you know, they do this almost this storybook thing
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: right like because and we literally as you're listening to
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: the very first track, it tells you to like every
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: time you hear this this sound or whatever, like flipped
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: to the next page.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: And it's because they do this whole like thing, like
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: it's trying to bring you into this experience and they're
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: really had Like to my knowledge, there wasn't any Tooth
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: and Nail bands that were trying to do that whole
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: experience at that time, and that has made me appreciate
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: this album even more. Plus there's like there's tracks, as
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: you talked about, like with Painless, there's tracks on this
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: album that I think a lot of people don't know
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: about that are just absolute bankers. So I don't know.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: It's just one of those albums that I think is
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: actually aged really well for me, and it still remains
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: one of my top fifty albums of all time. I
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: will say, the reason why I'm going to rank it
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: where I rank it is because at the time there
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: was only one or two tracks that hit for me,
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: it's actually grown a lot, so I want to give
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: that caveat, but it is number three for me, So Meg,
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: I think you dit number three as well.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: So it's number three for me.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: I would like to put it higher, but just knowing
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: where my top two albums are, I just can't. But
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: it is an incredible album. It's unbelievable. Everybody should watch
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: it or should listen to it.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: It's just incredible.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: It's number five three, number five, yep. That puts it
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: at a three point sixty six. Also, I don't think
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: we did bleach on.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: The Yeah, so let's let me let me share my screen,
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: all right, so clearly right now, and we'll move these
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: around right now.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: So this is at a three point sixty six, which.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Is is that higher than.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: It's just below just below Amberlin.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: There, so it should be right here a for now. Yeah.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Amberlin was at three point three to three. May was
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: at three point sixty six.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: Also, by the way, if you're listening to this and
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: you're like, wait, where are things going?
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: This is like golf.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: The lower the score, the better, So just keep that
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: in mind. I feel pretty confident that this is going
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: to be probably more in the seats here.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: But that was a t But that's.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Reach, that's ten point.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: That sounds right.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I think that's probably gonna be c yep, all right.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: I ranked it the sea originally.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: There we go, all right, so oh we gotta keep moving,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: all right?
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: Next one Starflyer fifty nine talking voice versus singing voice.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: This came out on April twelfth of two thousand and five.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: What do we think about this album?
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Go ahead back?
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, So Starfire is a band that I had known
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: about since I was like thirteen or fourteen, but I
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: was heavily into skat at the time and did not
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: care about like shoegaze at all. Probably did not know.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: The terms songs are three times too long.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: I probably didn't know the term until college. Yeah, I mean,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I think the first song I heard of Theirs was
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: on some happy Christmas album, like the first one maybe,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: and I was like, this is way too sleepy for me,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: which is what I thought about every song of THEIRS
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: I had ever heard at the point. And then I
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: think I kind of forgot the existed or just had
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: in the back of my head like that band is
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: not for me. But probably if I heard them later
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I might have loved them, especially when I got into
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: shoegaze and more indie and like slower indie. But I
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: have no context for this album in two thousand and five,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: so this was not even a re listen for me.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: This was actually a first time listen. Even though I
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: have listened to Starflyer before, I had never done a
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: deep dive and definitely never listened to this album the
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: whole way through. I enjoyed the whole album. It. The
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: opening track on this I think is like wildly ahead
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: of its time. It's like bedroom indie dream pop ish,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: and I wish I had listened to this album earlier,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: but yeah, I feel like I missed out. They just
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: kind of fell out on my brain. And some of
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: the songs gave me Alex g vibes, kind of like
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: the indie artist guy, even though this came out way
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: before him. So I really really enjoyed it. There's a
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: song let me write, let me see what I wrote down? Okay.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: The song good Suns has like almost this post punk
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: vibe to it, which I'm very very into, and then
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: the chorus is super dancy. I really like this. I
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: feel like I would have adored this album in college,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: but I did not listen to it until this week.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I ranked this album a eight.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, good Mason.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: I did not listen to this album when I was
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: in fourth grade.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Shocker.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: When when I think about Starflyer, especially at this point,
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: because you know he I think his first album came
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: out on Tooth and Nail probably nineteen ninety four, right.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah it was that was the Euros born.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Sure, that was a euro was born.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: So I'll just say like, by this point in Starflyer's career,
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: I was ten, maybe eleven years old. I was not
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: listening to whatever ten year plus of shoegaze into whatever
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: he goes into. I like, that's just not for me
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: at that point. So I'll be honest, I was not
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: listening to this album when I was ten eleven.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Years old, so I'll take that.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: So it's really hard to like measure the growth of
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: this album for me because I just literally did not
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: listen to it back then. However, I will say listening
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: to it now. This dude is Jason Martin, and I've
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: thought about this for a while, like Starflyer is next level.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: In terms of songwriting, and.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: He is.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: I mean he's kind of I mean, obviously, he's like
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: one of those people that just is constantly putting out material,
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: Like almost every single year there's something coming out from Starflyer,
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: and he's just almost at this point. I like, he
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: has released so many albums that it's hard to like
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: imagine that he remembers most songs that he's ever even written. Yeah,
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: and this feels like one of those albums where he's
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: probably written songs and recorded and literally released songs on
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: this album that if he was listening to it, he'd
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: be like, God, that sounds a lot like a Starflyer song,
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: but doesn't know that it's actually him. Like he's just
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: at that point, and this feels like that kind of album.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: And now I will say, obviously, there this album is
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: a little bit of a departure in terms of where
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: it was, you know, in the nineties or super Shoe Gayzy.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: This kind of takes a little bit more of a
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: deconstructed vibe. But my goodness, it's like it's so still
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: salt Starflyer, And I don't know, he's just one of
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: those people where it's hard to like for me to
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: really judge his album. In the course of two thousand
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: and five tooth and albums, because honestly, he's released like
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: thirty plus albums, Like, how do you even judge that
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: at this point? So it's just like, to me, it's
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: impossible to judge. So that's where I'm at with this album.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: It feels like impossible. It's hard to know, and I
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: certainly was not listening to it back in two thousand
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: and five.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Mason, you and I are in the same
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: page that this was our first listen through basically of
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: this specific album.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Oh for sure, for sure.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: What do you rank it, Mace?
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: I have it at number eight?
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Oh wow?
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Oh same as me.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love Jason Martin. This record was quite
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: important to me when I was young. Really, I had
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: a You know, when you have an artist with such
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: a long career, it's pretty easy to like fall out
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: of listening for a while, and then you come back
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: here and there. You might pick up one album and
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: it really speaks to you, and then maybe you take
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: a couple off because again, like Mason was saying, so
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: much has been done right or so much has been
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: has been made. Jason Martin is a is a musician's musician.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: He writes songs perfectly. In my opinion, he is very
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: very musical, very very career of incredible riffs, goes against
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: the grain, things outside the box. I just I think
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: that I think it's hard to kind of take in
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: everything that every album has to has has to test
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: to give talking voice versus singing voice. I think is
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Starflyer's second best album. I think the first album their
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: first or their best album I think is Portuguese Blues.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: But I really adore this album and it spoke to
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: me when I was young, fell out of listening for
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: a while, spoke to me a couple of years ago,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: fell out of listening for a while, came back to
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: it about about nine months ago, and just it's like
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: it's like these albums I'll just like throw on repeat
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: and I'll just like be obsessed for like a full month,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: and then I just won't listen for a while. But
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: I have this as is number one. I think this
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: is WHOA the best album from two thousand and five.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, I love this record.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, meg Oh.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying I love how Colin is talking about
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: this album and how meaningful it is. I just think
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: that it's cool to hear Yeah.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. I don't think that Jason Martin could do any wrong.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: There's not an album I dislike, but this one definitely
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: hit me in some some teenage angst places and then
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: also in some adult angst places.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so cool.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: This gets us sixteen point three to three, so that's
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: probably gonna.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Be Wait, sixteen point or what's the average?
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I thought me and but me and Mason
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: both ranked it eight, and then you ranked it one,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: So wouldn't you add those in the divide by three?
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I did. I think it was. I
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: don't do.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Math, guys, I'm not even a math let's go history teacher.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: Here we go.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: It's still sixteen point three three. No, it's not what
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: I just I just do it again.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know I will do it.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: I know how to do it. Okay, So oh eight plus.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Sorry five point six. That doesn't sound right.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: There it is.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: There, it is. Sorry my bad, guys, Oh my god,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: oh my god.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: I feel like, uh, you know, I'm gonna share myself.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Don't ever make me do math unless I'm doing I.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Might teach English, but I tutored math for a long time,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: so I'm a little reliable.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Math courses in college.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: So I feel like, for now it's going to be
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: beats here. But we'll we'll, we'll see where that goes.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: What okay, what did we say? It was five point something.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Five point sixty six.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: Okay, interesting, I will say so, Meg, this might be
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: interesting for you to know as well as the listeners.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: This is the first time I'm hearing about this album
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: from Culin, So it feels like one of those things
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: where I've known Colin. I've known Starflyer a bunch though, no, no, no, no,
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: we've been, but this album in particular, I've known you
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: for seventeen years. I didn't realize that this album was
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: that important for you. So that that that feels, that
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: feels notable.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. Yeah, I think I think what happens
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: with a lot of Starflyer stuff is you tend to
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: like group it into like eras.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the albums, the albums are totally like, they don't matter,
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: it's just it's eras.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: That that's interesting. That's actually a really good point.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Same for me.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, cool, sweet, all right, all right, next one, I'm
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: really I'm actually really curious about this one for you all.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: So the next album that comes out on tooth and Nail.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Oh you're in the world.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: What I think I know what it is?
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: I at least okay, Oh there it is, okay, perfect,
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: all right. So it came out on April twenty six
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: of two thousand and five. It's Discover America. By in
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: the album is called Psychology, but Discover America, and this
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: might be more notable or more important for fans and listeners.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: Discover America was one of the projects that Chris Staples does.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: And Chris Staples was obviously the frontman and the songwriter
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: for two thirty eight, So yeah, so that's something to
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: be noted. But this was his, like I don't I
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: don't know if it was his, I would have to
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: look back on his history. I don't know if this
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: was his first solo thing, but now clearly his solo
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: thing has become huge. So I feel like that's notable
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: and maybe we can talk about that. But yeah, Discover
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: America Psychology, Uh, what do we think about this album?
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: I can go first. I really love the mashup of
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: different sounds and genres and even like eras of music,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: like he's he's not he's not messing around with the
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: musicality of this album. There's even a couple of songs.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I don't remember the name of the song in particular,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: but there's some like straight up Beatles riffs that are
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: total rip offs and I love that in there. However,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: I have to say, uh, lead singer for Green Day
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: is it Billy Joe or Billy Jean Armstrong. Billy Joe Armstrong.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: I think Billy Jean is a Michael Jackson song.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that That's why I was. I thought I was
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: getting a conflating not your girl, I think. I think
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Staples sounds like Billy Joe Armstrong.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: With a cold, and I have a very different take.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: It drives me up a fucking wall. I can't stand it.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: I cannot stand his voice.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: I love a good hot tape from Colin.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: This is great, This is great, and I have such
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: a different take on his voice.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Keep going okay.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I don't have much else to say. I just I'm
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: so annoyed by his voice. I love the music, but
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: the voice just takes me out of it completely. It's
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: like it's like if you were I don't know if
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: I can use this analogy without, oh gosh, potentially losing
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: my job. So I'm not gonna say it.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, go ahead of meg Okay, okay, okay. So
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: I did not hear this album in two thousand and five.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: When it came out, I knew who True thirty eight was.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: I did not know that it was the same dude
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: until like a decade later. But in two thousand and eight,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: I had a friend in college, me and my like
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: small friend group. We were always making each other mix
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: eedi's just constantly, and so my friend Luke made me
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: make He was like a little brother to me. He
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: liked another girl in my wing named Kate, and he
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: made me a mix CD with the song green Eyes
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: on it, and he said, this is how I feel
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: about Kate. It was very cute, and so he put
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: call It in the Air and green Eyes on it.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: And those are the only two songs I knew, and
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: I loved them. I just loved them. Those two songs,
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: I realized after my re listen this week sound so
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: different than so much of the rest of the album.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: And I like that. I do appreciate that those two
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: songs are very like indie like electronic almost I don't
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: know if you know the like electronic hip hop. Guy Astronautilus,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: but they remind me of him a little bit. But
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: some of the songs on this album and his voice,
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: I was trying to figure out who he reminded me of,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: and I couldn't figure it out until driving to work yesterday.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: He reminds me of Tim Kasher from Cursive or The
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Good Life so much in a few songs, and Colin,
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: the craziest thing is that you bring up Billy Joe
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: part of why I am what was it? You notoriously
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: don't like Weezer, right, I notoriously don't like Green Day.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: I don't like Green Day either, and that's crazy.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, So I am kind of surprised that you say that.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: I hope that you saying that doesn't ruin discover America
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: for me, because I really do like this album and
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: I did not get Billy Joe. I got Tim Kasher,
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: who I love. I love Curs that I've seen them
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: multiple times in the last year, and so listening to
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: the whole album, I was kind of like, why did
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: I not listen to this whole album when I already
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: knew I liked these two songs less than two years
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: after the album came out. I just I was one
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: of the one of those people for this, For this album,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: I was like, I like these two songs cool, and
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: then just forgot about this band at all and didn't
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: know they existed. But I don't know if Colin, if
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: you said what you gave the album, did you say
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: number you gave it.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I did. I gave it a twelve.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, I gave it a seven, so right right before Starflyers,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: because I do like his weird voice. I do like
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: how it taps into the indie stuff. I like the
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: almost like second wave ebo yelly stuff I like from Cursive.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I just I want to listen to
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: this album again. I thought it was great.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: So for me, this album.
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: I remember when it came out because I remember looking
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: it up on Pure Volume and just being like, this
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: is just not for me. And again, I think part
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: of that is, you know again, I'm just trying to
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: try to give historical context here when two thirty eight
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: fans by the time that they're listening in two thousand
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: and five, the people who were two thirty eight fans,
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: let's say in two thousand and five, they're in college.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: I was not in college in two thousand and five, So.
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: I think there just was like a I think there
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: was just like who he was trying to write for
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: at that time was probably just not me as a
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: eleven year old, ten year old, and so I just
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: like I feel like there's like that discons I feel
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: like that way about like starfly Er two, right like,
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: and I'm not trying to you know, it's just it's
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: a generational thing.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: This is what it is.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: So I remember like when this came out. I do
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: remember literally trying to like click play on the Pure
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: Volume site for Discover America and just like, E, this
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: is this not me?
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: Like this is not doesn't really catch my ear.
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: So I will say there was that when it when
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: it hit me back in two thousand and five. I
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: think for me, like what's hard when I listen to
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: this album now, like I enjoy it. What's hard for
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: me is I almost feel like I enjoy it more
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: partly because I know what Christaples has become, so that
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: context has like really kind of I feel like warped
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: my opinion about this album.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: So that's interesting to make an analogy there. Yeah, it's
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: kind of like if you heard Nirvana's Bleach Record.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, now we're like you're like, back then you probably
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: were like not into.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: It, but like now you know about Nirvana and you're like,
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: oh my god, this is like revolutionary.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think you're right there where it's
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: like and obviously it's not to that degree of Nirvana
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: but exactly, but it is something where it's like I
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: feel like it's when I listen to it, I'm like, God,
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: I really like this, but I'm like, is this because
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: I really think Chris Staples has grown a lot as
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: a songwriter and I really like his stuff now as
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: a songwriter. So there's that the Okay, So I think
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: I'm the last person to talk about this album.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: One thing I'm.
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: Really curious about to hear from you your thoughts and
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: by the way, Colin, I have at nine So if
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: you want to do the math thing, I'm curious for
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: you all. So, Culin has been very open and honest
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: in this podcast throughout our years of doing this. He
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: does not like when solo projects just adopt the name
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: I from my understanding, I could be wrong from my understanding,
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: just like you like you adopt like you know, if
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: I were to do a solo project, I would do.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: It's you know, Mason Meenegaeah.
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: I hate that Colin's don into that right form my understanding,
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: and I could be wrong. Chris Staples outside of two
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: thirty eight in terms of a solo project, which this is.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: This is his only solo project that is outside of
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: his name. And I'm curious for you, Colin, how that,
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: uh makes you know, makes a difference for you is
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: the fact that, like the name of it is not
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: Chris Staples. And obviously, once he started releasing as Chris Staples,
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: it eventually grew for him, which, like, you know, props
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: to him for that. But I'm curious for you, like,
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: how does it being named or branded under.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: Discover America shape your opinion of it?
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: It makes me want to listen to it more.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Oh interesting? Interesting? So you like, I mean, you're clearly
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: the hipster of the group.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's hipster. I just think that I
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: just think that I don't appreciate. I don't know if
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: it's like a narcissism or what it is about you
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: probably using your own name, but it's just not original.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: It's not there's nothing creative in that.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know I'm with I'm with Colin on
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: this one.
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so we're I mean, it's true, but I just
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: find it interesting. I think it's his only I could
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: be wrong, but I think it's his only solo thing
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: that at least has been released that is under a
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: different name. And let's be honest, it's probably his least
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: popular thing among two thirty eight and under his own name,
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: it's probably his least popular thing.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: So I think that is an interesting thing to know.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: Is the thing that.
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: Colin likes the most about solo projects is the thing,
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: at least for Staples, that has been his least successful project.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think that there's something that goes
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: with that though, too, and that's that Tooth and Nail
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: putting out thirteen albums in two thousand and five is insane.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: This is not a big record label putting out thirteen
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: albums from a record label this size means that at
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: least half of these are not going to get any
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: type of push whatsoever from from you think too much
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: from an average from a record label the size of
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Tooth and Nail.
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: I think yes, at this time too, Like this is
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: before they got bought out by im I or whatever
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: it was.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: It's just that they don't have the they don't have
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: the resources to be able to push all of these albums,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: especially back then because back then it was like print media,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: it was it was bookstores, like everything was physical, so
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: everything costs more in order to try to push or
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: promote an album. And so I think a lot of
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: these just flew under the radar because yeah, like they
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: just they kind of had to pick their winners and losers.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: That's fair, all right. So what's our average score on
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: this one?
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: That was a nine point three? It's probably gonna put
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: it in uh what is it? C or D? Probably?
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Probably? What what was our what was our belief score?
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Bleach my three.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: And that was a.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: That was the C I believe No, that was yeah.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Ok So I gave it a seven, calling you gave
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: it a twelve? Twelve and Mason nine.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Yep, Okay, there we go.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right.
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: I also, for whatever reason, I keep counting, I only
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: have twelve scores, but I have thirteen albums, so hopefully
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: hopefully math checks out. All right, So here is where
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: Discover America ranks. We're gonna currently put.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: It at seat. We'll see where it ends up actually landing.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: But currently this is our ranking, so we've got a
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: few more albums to go, all right.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: So next one.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: Waking Ashland's Composure, which let me check really quick, but
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: I believe came out on May tenth of two thousand
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: and five, So May tenth of two thousand and five,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: Waking Ashland's Composure.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: How did it hit?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: Back?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: Then? Where is it at? Now?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Where are we at?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: All?
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: I'll go then. I did not listen to this album
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: back in two thousand and five, and I did not
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: listen to this album until the beginning of this year.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Really yeah, we had Waking Ashland on the podcast and
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: it was fantastic, one of my favorite shows.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: We've ever done, Such a great episode.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: The dude is amazing. I would argue that Waking Ashland
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: is just fell victim to get lost in the shuffle,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: a band that should have been bigger. I think that
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: they are like a not like a copycat of Reliant K,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: but they have a lot of like Reliant K kind
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: of vibes. You know, a great tenor voice, poppy riffs,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: sort of a poppy song structure, great songwriting all around there.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: It's all all killer, no filler, on that entire album.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Composure is a great record. I wish I had more
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: to say about it, but I don't have much else.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: I do really really like it, and it's growing on me,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: you know, throughout this entire year. I have it at
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: number four number four?
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: Wow?
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah wow?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, so the retrospect is pretty powerful with that one.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah cool, Mason, are you good if I go next?
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: Sure, let's hear it.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: Just jump in.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: So this was a hard one for my ranking. I
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: can share it later. But there was like four different
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: albums that I was really having a hard time with
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: where I ranked them. So I might call an audible
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: on this one. I'm not quite sure, but Colon, I
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: have I have a little bit of a bone to
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: pick with you about your comparison with them to Reliant K.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: When you say that, do you mean later Reliant K
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: when it became when they became way more piano rock,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: because Waking Ashland is not pop punk at all?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: Definitely not. No, I'm not talking about I'm not talking
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: about really reliank K at all. Talking okay, Okay, like
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Forget Not slow Down kind of.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Era that makes way more sense, Okay, yeah, because that
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: but Forgetting not slowed down, came out I believe in
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: two thousand and eight or nine, and this album is
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: two thousand and five. I agree with you that I
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: on my I like second listen as in within this
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: past week, I was like, Wow, I do wish I
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: spent more time with this album. When I first heard it,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: I heard the song like everyone else and their mother,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: including my mother. The song I Am for You such
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: a perfect song. It's just it's just a perfect song.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: It felt a bit like, you know, Christian something corporate.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: I got excited. I listened through the album, and I
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: don't know if I was just expecting a bunch of
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: more like super catchy, like kind of yeah pop rock
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: songs just like that one. But I don't know. Again,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: I think I might have just been way too much
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: into like screaming at the time that I liked that
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: one song and didn't give the album enough time. But
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: I wish that I did. Listening through this album again,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: I was like, I think I missed out. I think
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: that I should have given it more time. I liked
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: it way more than I remember. I don't know. I
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: just I agree with you, Colin, I think they're underrated.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: I I don't I think they were a little maybe
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: too much before their time, that maybe if they came out,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: if this album came out around the same time it
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: is Forgetting Not So Down, they might have gotten more traction.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: But this is a this is a great album. It's
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: not how do I explain this, It's like not my
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: favorite genre, but of the piano rock like pop rock
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: almost pop punk adjacent genre, they do it.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: That's a that's a great take on that.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: I really liked this album.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: It was an album when it came out.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: I like especially those two singles like hands on Deck
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: and obviously I Am for You I love I Am
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: for You. That was also one of those first songs
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: that ever tried to learn on guitar, and I still
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: remember like hands on it on Deck because it was
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: it's such a like a almost like a ballad type
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: of song. Like I remember like listening to that album
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: or listen that song like during like you know, at
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: this time of my life when I was like having
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: crushes for the first time, and I remember like thinking
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: like about like, oh, I'm gonna sing this song to
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: my first crush or whatever.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: So shout out to you, Brittany Anderston if you're listening.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: So anyway, I remember like just like having this like
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: visceral experience of just like how like emotional and like
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: Ballady this was at that time, and so I loved
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: this album.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: Then I will.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: Say so to me, like the retrospective of it, like
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: listening to it now, what's interesting for me is and
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: I think we were already kind of talking about this
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: a little bit with May, but I with especially with
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: Wak and Ashland, there's something about that piano rock vibe
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: where when I listened to it, I think, wow, this
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: is dated, Like this is so two thousand and five.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: And yeah, and yet and this is where I think
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: like it like I'm like, oh, in my mind, I'm like, yes,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: this is so two thousand and five that it feels dated.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: In that way.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: And yet I also am like trying to I'm like, wait,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: this should come back, like this sound should be a
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: thing that we hear again when you listen to like,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: let's say, for example, like the best version of eighties music,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: like you know a lot of the like new wave
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: stuff that came out recently, Like you hear a lot
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: of new wave stuff coming from the eighties. It's like Oh,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: of course that should have like come back at some point,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: Like that makes sense. And so I think about that
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: with like this piano rock stuff from Wicky, n Ashland,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: where I'm like, yes, it sounds very two thousand and five,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: and yet I think it should come back. So I
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: don't in terms of the retrospective. It's kind of this
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: thing where it's like, wow, it sounds dated, and yet
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: I think it should come back at some point.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: So I don't know how that really factors into it.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: But with the fact that it was like an album
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: where I liked it when it first came out, and
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: the fact that I'm like kind of in the like
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: in between, I don't really know how I think about it.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: I've got a number six, which I think puts it
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: solidly in the middle for me. So number six for.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: Me, Meg, What was your what was your ranking?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, I I'm having a hard time
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: with this. Originally I put it at ten, but I'm
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: actually calling an audible and switching it with another album
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: and I'm putting it at nine.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: Ok.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, what's the average score now? Colin?
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Average score is six point three three?
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: Which where does that rank?
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: We haven't had anything in that ballpark really.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: Is that lower than Discover America?
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: And I think that's a bee judging by what we
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: have it at right here?
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: Oh okay, all right, so here we are at a
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: B so far right, but above or below.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: Starflyer, Starflyers at a five point sixty six?
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: Okay, so a little below then, okay, all right, good
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: to know. All right, we'll keep it there for now.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: We'll see what we'll see what happens. So all right,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: the next one. I have a lot of things to
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: say about this one, and I will try to keep
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: my mouth shut as.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: Much as possible.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: Next the next original album was at the very end
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: of June, June twenty eighth, two thousand or two thousand
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: and five, Terminals, How the Lonely Jesus I knew this?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: Thoughts on this one?
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: Do you want to go first? Okay? This album pisses
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: me off, and for one reason only that no one
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: told me to listen to it earlier. That is the
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: reason it makes me angry, because if you would have.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: Been listening to this podcast, Mason would have told you
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: a thousand.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: Times, I'm an evangelist, I'm an evangelist, I'm an evangelist.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: I just I feel it's so difficult because do they
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: only have this one album?
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: The one is one and only, Okay and only.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: I'm like, where the hell was I? I was listening
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: to stuff that sounded exactly like this, and I saw
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: their name and I was like, huh, moving on. I
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: am so frustrated that I did not hear this earlier
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: because it is exactly like the stuff I was listening to,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: and so as I was listening to it this week
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: for the first time ever, like embarrassingly, so I am
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: am just shocked at how good it is. Like, Okay,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: so I have some takes as well, Mason, I'm sure
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: you have a lot to say as well. I loved
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: Emory and Further Teams Forever and like other Christian emo
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: stuff at the time, but somehow this album missed me.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Some of the album reminds me of early early Further
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: Teams Forever in certain songs the Wishing, Waiting something whatever
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: that song is called, and City by the Sea, like, honestly,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: he even sings like his voice. I don't know this
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: guy's name, but his voice reminds me. If you take Okay,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: if you take Chris Caraba's voice in further Teams Forever
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: the first record and Aaron Gillespie's voice, and you match
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: them together. That is what this guy sounds like. I
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: love it. I love I love that You're nodding so heavily, Mason.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: This is so validating. I don't know, I just I
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: My only bone to pick with it is I wish
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: there was more screams like when they when they give
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: the screams, I'm like, Oh, this is everything I want.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: And there's a song Sunday Parking Lot has gang vocals,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: which I am such a sucker for. Oh it's so good.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: I am so mad that I did not hear this
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: album until this week. It's so good.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: Wait till this week, dude.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I hate myself.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: Failed as a friend. I failed as a friend. I've
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: failed as a friend. Okay, here's my confessional right here,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: right now, I have failed as a friend. If you
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: have not heard this album up until this week, oh
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: my god.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: I didn't.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't know. I knew who they were, I had
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: no idea what they sounded like. And I loved it.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Where do you rank this at?
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: I put it as a six, and that's mostly because
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: the albums before it were either nostalgic for me or
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: like very s tire. But it's a solid six and
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: it was the first time I heard it was this week.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: That should say how good it is?
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: Sure I'll bring the party down. I put this in Ohat.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: I find this album oppressively boring, and I I should
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: like it's one of those albums like on paper, I
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: should totally like rite like we we talk about this
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: this conundrum Mason all the time on the podcast, but
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: I just don't get it. I think everyone in the
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: band's talented. I think the songs are are fine. There's
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: just a million other records I'd rather listen to. I
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: think that almost every song is basically the exact same tempo,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: Like I swear to God, it doesn't change more than
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: like ten beats per minute the entire record.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: Have you listened to em before?
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: I love emo, but I'm not a fan of like
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: softy emo?
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: Is that?
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: If that makes sense?
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: And I kind of would lump.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: That vocals dude to say, I don't know if this
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: is softy emo. Softy emo is like sunny day real Estate?
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: Are listening to?
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Real Estate? Is not soft emo? How is that soft emo?
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: There's so.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: But still like Real Estate, there's like a heavy, there's heavy.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: Okay. Mason told me to disagree when I disagree, so
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: I'm disagree, disagree.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm also not like a Dashboard Confessional fan.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not a Second Serenade fan. I'm not like a
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: fan of that version of Emo, I guess, and I
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: think that this really does kind of fall into that
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: same kind of category, at least for me personally. And
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: you can say, no, I've tried giving this album so
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: many chances, like since two thousand and five, I've probably
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: picked up this record and played it trying to like it,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: because like I'm a big believer in like there's something
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: good and everything. The one thing I can say that's
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: really great about this record is the soft parts are amazing.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: Like when he sings delicately and they play delicately, it's amazing.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: It's so funny because literally, she's like, I know, like
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: the heavy parts.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: The heavy parts are so lame to me.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: The heavy the opposite.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: The heavy parts of this record are so fucking lame
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: to me. I just can't.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: Oh that's crazy. I feel like I have such a
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: severe cringe factor, But I liked this album on the
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: first listen, which is so rare for me. I don't,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I will.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: I will say this though, genuinely cool people in this
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: man and.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: This is incredible, great guy.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it pains me to say that I don't like
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: this record. I'm sorry.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: Well, and most of them ended up well and most
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: of them ended up forming O Sleeper by the way too,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: So yes, yes, yes, yes, I do you not know that? Yeah,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: three of the five guys ended up forming O Sleeper.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: Which is another reason why now they're all.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: From the same area in Texas.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved Slash Love O Sleeper. I saw O
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Sleeper with Emery with my mom in twenty eighteen. My
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: mom was like sixty seven at the.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: Time they just announced coming off the new album.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: By the way, I did see that.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: I did see that shout out a Sleeper hopefully we
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: had on the podcast.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: This album. Okay.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: So I feel like my ranking is not indicative of
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: how I feel about this album, and maybe it's because
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: I just ranked it poorly. I absolutely loved this album.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: I loved it then. I still remember listening to like
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: the pure volume like songs that they had on Obviously,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: on pure volume at that time, listening to them over
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: and over and over.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: Loved it then then was illegal illegally.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: Downloaded the album online wire put it on my little
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: iPod nano, like the.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: You know those little clip on ones illegally downloaded on
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: that listen to it in eighth grade.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: I still remember going to eighth grade science class with
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: mister Struey and just listening to that album while I
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: was doing my work, and uh, and I just was like,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: this is so good.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: Uh and I I.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: Like, I've still to this day, I think it's one
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: of the better pop punk albums emo albums I've ever
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: heard in my life. I think it's severely underrated in
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: that world. Yeah, I I that emo whatever, whatever you
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: want to call it.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: It's whatever, whatever you want to call it, whatever.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: You want to call it. It's definitively a third wave
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: emo album that I willy on that head.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: All right, Chris, let's let all right, I have no
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: I have no feelings about that. Let's go third wave
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: evo emo. So third wave emo it is. It is definitively,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: definitively one.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: Of the best I've ever heard.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: Uh And like Meg has just discovered, unlike Cullen's clearly
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: on culture years.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: It is truly unbelievable. It really is truly unbelievable.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: So I I have I will stand to this day.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: It is one of the.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: Best albums I've ever heard, top fifty albums of all
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: time for me, uh, it is so good. It was
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: good then, it's good now. And yet because of this
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: year of tooth and nail, I believe I have it
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: at number four.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: It is such a good album though.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: It's such a good album though I can't stress number four.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: It's such a good number four is.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: High my I think, what did I give it a six?
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: Seven six? Yeah, you gave it us and then you gave.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: It a ten? Right, it's so good?
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, that means so.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: What does that bring us to? Also, I'm not sure
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: I trust Colin with the math.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: It gets the double score of six point six six Hell.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, so that's lower than Tier right.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: Slightly lower than Waking Ashland.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, slightly slightly Okay.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: That makes me. That makes me reconsider my audible because
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: I like I like this album so much.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: More than do we put it in se tier or
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: do we put it in be Tier? Lower than Waking Ashland.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: It would be just lower than Waking Ashland in B tier,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: so right here according to the score right now, but
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: we can want.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: That hurts my heart, but I understand.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: It is such a good album that doesn't deserve that.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: Fuck you Color, I knew that was going to happen.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: I knew that was going to happen. He's an asshole.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: Meg just learned Colin's an asshole. He has bad music taste.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: Like Colin seems.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: Like actually one of the most genuine people I've ever met,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: to be fair, I just think he is wrong. He's
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: wrong in this takes.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: He's so wrong about this.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: I've been arguing with him about this for a long time.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: And the fact that he said that, like this album
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: is like boring or whatever, but then we're talking about
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: Sunda Day real Estate and he says that that's not boring.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, I know they're important, and the way
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: that you feel about this Terminal album is the way
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: I feel about Sunda Day real Estate, where I listen
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: to them all like I try to get into it,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: like I know it's important, like they have a couple bangers,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: but I just can't. I just can't do it.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: And heavy parts are actually heavy. I think that's what
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: does it for me. I think it's just the pay,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: you know. I think that's what I think. That's why.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Old National, though, don't even get me started. If
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: you bring up the National, We'll be here all night.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: No, the National heavy when they go heavy in peract,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: when the National correct?
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, Mason has the right take Mason's that's.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: My that's my take about the National, all right.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: The next one, I'm really actually I feel like this
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: one might be the most divided one. I'm really curious
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: about this one though. All Right, So the next one
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: very similar to uh sorry, Terminals, how the Lonely keep?
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: This one is number one Guns promises for the imperfect
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: or Imperfect July nineteenth of twenty five, two thousand and five.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: So yeah, mid July promises for the IMPROVECTU.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: Number one gun on this one.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: Start us off on this one.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: I love this album, not nearly as much as Terminal's album.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: So here's what I'll say. This album feels very top
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: heavy for me.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: The few songs that are really good on this album
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: are incredible on this album. The rest of them, they're
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: just May. There's just May a lot of filler, but
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: the top ones unbelievable. I will still listen. I literally,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: I will actively go on YouTube music because this album
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: is not on Spotify.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: I will actively go on YouTube.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: Music just so I my YouTube music account.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: I'm well, I have Spotify and I'm a shitty person
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: in that.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: Are you on my YouTube music account? I just don't know.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm on your YouTube things, so I would imagine
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: I'm on your YouTube music thing. Yeah whatever that Like
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: you've added me as a family member on your YouTube
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: I could.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: So You're welcome for for not making you sit through three.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna edit that part out.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: Uh, it's a good content.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: I do think this album, though, the top heavy part
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: of it, like the top singles unbelievable, some of the
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: best I've ever heard in especially in that like era
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: of Uh tooth and Nail. But my goodness, like the
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: rest of it is like kind for me, like very
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: like this is like May not not that it's bad,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: it's just like May. So it's one of those albums
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: where it's it feels just so top heavy. So I
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: have it at number five for me, so just below
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: just below terminal for me. But I do really like
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: this album for the like three or four songs I
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: really love from.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: So you're saying, like basically an EP worth of songs
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: is what is what drives it down?
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of those.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one of those albums for me where it's
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: just like it in me if I if I can
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: just add, I do think they get better moving forward.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: Number one Gun does get better moving forward way, and
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: I like it is one of those bands that like,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: I like, I know, like things kind of imploded and
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: it was whatever, but they were a band.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: That like got better moving forward.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: But my goodness, like even like the album before this,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 4: which I think correct me if I'm wrong. I think
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: was on Floodgate Records. The album before they were actually
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: on Tooth and Nail was really good as well. But
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: this album those first, like I think it might be
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: like the first like three or four songs, huge fan.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: So was it Aaron Rodgers that wore a number one
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: gun shirt?
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: That's my my like we could look it up as
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: meg or you talk, but I believe it was.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, anyone that Aaron Rodgers listens to I don't like.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: But when I was young, I really liked this album
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: a lot loved it, listen to it all the time,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: especially like just like what Mason said, the first half
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: of the album was amazing. Second half of the album
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: was okay at best, some some cool parts, but nothing
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: nothing crazy great songwriting. Tell me what you guys say,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: do you feel like do you know what the lead
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: singer's name.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: Is, Jeff something, It's Jeff whatever, his last name is.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: His name is Jeff Jeff is I almost feel like
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: putting on a voice here, almost like he's because like
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: his his the later or the more recent number one
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: Gun albums, it's not nearly this pronounced, but on this
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: record in particular, and then the one before, it's a
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: very pronounced, like whiny, trying to sound emo kind of voice.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: And it really going back to listen to this album,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: it was very off putting to me. Oh and when
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: I was young, I just don't think I realized that.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: But now I'm like, that feels so manufactured and so fake,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: and it makes me really dislike it. I don't really
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: have much else to say. I put it out on
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: Kevin now.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: Oh that's what I put it as. Okay, all right, yeah, okay,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: I don't have a lot to say about this as well.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: Number one Gun is an album I have known since
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: I was in my early teenage years. I think I
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: got baited into being told that they were a pop
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: punk band and then listen to them and realize quickly
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: they are absolutely not a pop punk band. So maybe
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: I heard them too early. Maybe if I heard them
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: when I got into more emo stuff, I would have
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: liked them. Listening to this record this week, I liked it.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: I think more than I expected. It sounded different than
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: I expected it. In my notes, I wrote not as
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: good as Terminal Emo, but still good.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: Fair That's forever.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: That's what I have written down. Yeah, So the first
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: song I will say is the best on the album.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: That's my opinion, Mason, you already said it. It's top heavy,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: there's a few tracks that are fantastic, and then the
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: rest are kind of forgettable. Who you Are is good.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: So the first song I forgot what it's called, but
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: whatever that one is called Who you Are Your Time
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: is Now. That's a song that's a little more poppy
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: than I usually like, but I think it's such a
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: solid catchy song that I enjoy it, and I like
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: the synths on the song all you Have I don't
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: have many notes besides that, I just I don't know.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: I want to revisit it. Maybe i'll like it more,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: maybe I'll have the same take. But it was good,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: it was fine. It didn't blow me away. I put
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: it at eleven.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: Good call, all right? So that puts us out a
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: note which is slightly better than Discover America.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, nine? Really damn higher or lower?
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: Mason?
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: I kind of thought it would be a little higher,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: all right? So, like, is it higher than Bleach?
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: That's the wrong album?
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: You're right, You're right, higher than Bleach.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: Just higher than Discover America?
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: Right sor right here?
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: Okay? Interesting?
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: I mean I'm not gonna like hate that, so I
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: like it is what it is, sure, Okay? All right?
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: The next one, Oh God, love this so much.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: It's joy electric, isn't it?
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: Oh? The same the same day, the same day.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: That Promises for the Imperfective came out with Number one
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: Gun or from from Number one Gun. The same day,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: thousand Foot Crutch released the art of I have.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: So many words. I have so many words.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: For this than Foot Crutch.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: I think Mason should go first, just because, okay, I
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: just I like could think of his little Mason throwing
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: up his little rock fist and all that fun stuff.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: So yeah, well that wasn't this album though, that's no
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: I know, No I know.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: I was about to say that wasn't this album.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: No I know, but like Mason would just be like grenade,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: that's such a great song name, that's that's basically that's
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: basically my life, all.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: Right, So uh, I'm fine with going first.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: So Thousand Foot Crutch The Art of Breaking This came
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: out pretty much right around the time that I fell
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: in love with Thousand Foot Crutch.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: They for a hot moment for a year.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: They were my top favorite band maybe like a right
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: around the time that this came out. There's probably probably
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: leaned into like I liked other things, but it was
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: right around this time where I just loved anything thousand
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: for Crutch because Phenomena was my favorite album at that time,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: without a doubt.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: Uh. And I remember going to one.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: Of their shows at a festival that Colin and I
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: typically went to in South Dakota and they were playing
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: and you know, just like losing my mind, and yeah,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: like I think Move came out on this album.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: You know, Move was.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: A I wouldn't be surprised if that was like on
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: like Sports Center or something. It was it was popular, right,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: and yeah, that like version of thousand foot Crutch super
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: into but it kind of ended really quickly, so like
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to like think about it in like two
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: thousand and five, for me, like I liked one song
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: from this album like thousand for Crutch for a high second,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: and then immediately moved off of that to like me
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: Without You under Oath everything else that was coming out,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: and like tooth and Nail Saw to Stay at that time.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: I love how you and I have like the same
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: trajectory for us thousand for Crutch and for me it
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: was skilly.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so like you're truly truly what So I'm like,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: I moved off of it really quickly, but like it
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: was the hottest.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: Thing for me at one point.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: So I will say at the time that it came out,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: I do remember moving a big deal for me, but
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: that was it, like truly, I'll be honest, that was it.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: I liked Move. Everything else at that time, eh wasn't
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: my thing. And so because of that and then obviously
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: listening to it back now, I'm like, yeah, whatever, I've
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: got it at number ten.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, uh Colin, can I go next?
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Okay, Mason and I P shit your takes.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, I have the most notes written for this album.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: Why and I have and I have ranked it the lowest.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: It is number thirteen.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: The most notes. How do you have the most notes?
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: Because I had a lot of opinions. I'm going to
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: actually read some of these. So we my family owned
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: this album. My mom and my brother both really love
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: thousand Crutch and I did as well. This album did
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: not hit me. I got baited by thousand Crutch in
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: like two thousand and one. When I first heard them
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: and heard the song, went in doubt because I was like,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: oh sick, another Christian pop punk band, like we're lying
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: k or MxPx and I put it on the I
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: was in eighth grade. I put went in doubt on
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: the first mixed I ever made. I was like, Oh,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: this is amazing. I was so excited we got the
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: album and I was like, what the hell? What is this?
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: There's like rap rock. This is not what I signed
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: up for. And uh yeah, I think I've held a
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: mild resentment for them ever since that. And I don't know,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: it's like Okay. It's like if you uh are pouring
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: out a drink, Like you go to drink a glass
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: of orange juice and then you drink it and you
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: find out it's milk instead.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: It's like, this is not a lot of what a
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: perfect analogy.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It's just like, okay, Like if
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: I would have known that they were trying to do
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: rap rock or new metal, I might have been more
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: into it, but I got baited and thinking they were
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: gonna be pop punk, and I was like no, because
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: it's not like I didn't like the rock rap stuff
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: like I love Love Pactice seventeen and Pillar and all
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: that stuff in the Arrow when I was like in
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: eighth grade or whatever. But yeah, I heard this album
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: in two thousand and five and gave them a chance
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: to change my opinion on them, and they did not
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: help my opinion at all. Like this album just did
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: not do it. I think it was too new metal
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: for me, and like not in a good way. I think. Again,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: I've mentioned this before, but by two this and five
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: I was getting more into screamow and emo and metalcore
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: and Indian stuff, and I still love pop punk, so
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: this genre was not my thing at the time, and
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: then I was like, Okay, I have a special place
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: in my heart for New Metal. I still love Lincoln Park, Like, okay,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: let's try this. So I listened to the whole thing
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: again and it was not good. It was just I
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: don't know. I I get that some of the songs
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: are catchy and why they're huge, especially for angsty teenagers,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: but this is not something I would listen to now.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: Even if I wanted to listen to New Metal, I
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: would just put on Lincoln Park instead. So yeah, I
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: just I don't know. It was it's not for me.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: Some other some of their songs sound like they're trying
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: to be Incubus or Chevelle, but not as good. And
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: that's my take, and it's my number thirteen.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: That's fair.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: I feel that Big Time a me art of breaking
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: is like thousand foot Crutch and still like a semi
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: credible era. They are obviously dad Rock, I mean, like
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: it was dad Rock, that is dad Rock now true,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: like this is the kind of thing that like the promim.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: Dad Rock approved then definitely like.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: The promise keepers guys at my local church definitely got
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: down to some some thousand foot Crutch, uh, and they
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: got their their emotions out a little bit. And you
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: know what, I think that music serves a purpose in
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: this world because you know, mental health, mental health. At
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: least it's November mental health. So I going back to
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: listen to this album. So back then I was a
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: casual listener of a thousand foot crutch. A song or
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: here or there was fine. I wasn't like super into it,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: but it was a okay. Going back to listen to
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: it now, I forgot about the vocal talent of Trevor McNevin,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: or even how you say it, however you say it,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: talent like it's actually impressive, like he hit some pretty
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: impressive notes. Uh, that surprise me.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 4: He's not a bad rapper, Like I'm not saying he's
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 4: a great rapper, but he's not.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: A bad I'm.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: Talking about his rapping parts. I'm talking about his actual
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: singing parts, like his Yeah.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: But if you combine that, like his decent singing, like
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: good singing, and then like not bad rapping, Like.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: It's good, it's good flow, it's bad rhyme scheme. That's
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: what I would say, especially the English teacher over here,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: that's yeah, it's very surface. Levelly right, yes, yes, yeah,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: so I would. I would just say I don't absolutely
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: hate this, but I don't love it in any sense
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: of the word. It's just pretty forget in my opinion. Uh,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: I do think I had one or two of these
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: songs on like a lifting playlist back in back in
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: middle out.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's fine.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: That's that's that's the only place that should really go.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: It should be in your dad's MIDI van, and it
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: should be in uh in the weight room. Yeah, did
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: you just did you just do this?
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: No that I thought, I think I think I don't
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: know if does that mean something?
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it's like a total what do they call it?
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know. My students do that all the time
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: still they.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: Go it was like a mew oh that's me. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: yeah I did not. I just went like this. I
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: just was itching my chin.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: Gotcha. You're very grainy on our on our side of
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: the video. So I thought was like, oh, that's perfect.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: It's basically like it's like it's like mewing. That's what
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: TFK is? All right? That gets a ten zero point
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: sixty six.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: On our So where do we where do we put
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: that on here?
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: That would be a D lower than Bleach that d
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: D Yeah for sure.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: Originally four left.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: We're almost there, guys, we're getting there. Okay, yep.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: The next one, though, this will this will change, this
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: will change our I feel like this will change our attitudes.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: The next one came out and I'm looking here really quickly,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 4: not that much later than tfk's album in August of
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: the second of two thousand and five, emerys the question, Uh.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: I I would like.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 4: To not go first on this one because I have
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 4: things to say about this. I'm sure you have things
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: to say about this, Meg, and I'm sure you have
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: to say things to say about this.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: Call it. I have a.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: Pretty good sense of where this is going, so we'll see.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you may go ahead.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: I have no notes on this album because it is
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: my number one. I don't need them. I remember where
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: I was when I first heard this album. I remember
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: how I felt. I just it's one of those memories
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: that is seared into my high school brain. So Mason,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: cut me off. I'm sharing too much, okay, because I
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: don't got notes. So I was a I believe, a
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: junior in high school. It's two thousand and five, you
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: said August, right.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: Yep, I think.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 4: I think I was a fourth grader still, oh, almost
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 4: about to be a fifth grader, almost to be about
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: the fifth grader.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: So I was cool, cool, cool cool. So my boyfriend
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: broke up with me a few months earlier.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: Fifth grade, just broke up with me.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: Okay. So when I was a junior in high school,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: I we had not quite started my senior year yet,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: we were on. I was in a kids band at
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: my local church, and we were I'm not kidding.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: Tell us more about the kids band. What is the
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: kids band? Because this sounds.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: Playing big House the entire.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: Time, real Big Mason, Mason. We played big House.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: We played that in our You did, of course you did.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: I played keys, I played piano, and I sang. In
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: this kid's band. We were called the G Force Band. No,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: it did not start stand for for God Force. Okay, okay,
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: Colin is dying, all right, okay, all right, the G
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: the G Force band stood for I can't even.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: Was the high school band the band?
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: Are you allowed to say that on this podcast?
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: Of course we act our podcast.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: It was stood for generation for Christ in Excellence, I
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: don't know, so obvious to all of us, obviously. So
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: this was our second or third tour, going to southern California. Okay,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: all right, why am I sharing this because we were
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: not bad. We were not bad for a children's church band, Okay,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: we got hired. It was a bunch of high school students.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: We played in this kid's band and we got hired
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: to go on tour to play at a summer BBS
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: in southern California. I like you, but you're making you're
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: making an end. Then I'm just trying to like so
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: G force, Yes, yes, that's called.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 4: I just like know myself well enough to know, like,
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 4: that's not what I'm about to say. I'm about to
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: say something other than G force.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: I know, I know. Okay, I was an innocent sixteen
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: year old. Please give me a break.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: Of course, I think we have nothing to do with this.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to own my own shed.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: So it was the summer still, we had not started school.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: We were going down to southern California. We were there
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: for the whole week. We got hired by this church
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: in for the tour. It wasn't actually a tour. It
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: was just one one church, one megachurch in southern California.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: That's one fancy Pants Kids band. It was a gig
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: for their VBS for the end of the summer. Okay,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: So we go down to La County, Ish area, right,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: and we have our nights free. So it's a bunch
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: of high school kids with our chaperones. One of the
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: chaperones was my mother. We go to I don't remember
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: if it was Virgin Records or some kind of what
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: were the Big Records or Capitol Records. Some record shop
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: we go to and by records. I need CDs at
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: this time cause it's two thousand and five. So we're
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: down in southern California and we all get free to
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: go that night. It was it was either the day
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: that The Question was released or the day after or something.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: But I loved their first record so much, and I
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: bought that album either the day it came out or
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: the day after it came out. And I remember my
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: other friend who was in the g Fource band, her
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: name was Brittany. She bought some Hillary Okay, Mason can't
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: handle this, Okay, I will not say it again. Okay,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: she bought like a Hillary Duff album or something. And
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: we were sharing a room because it's a bunch of
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: high school students, and so her and I are in
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: the same room together and we are laying in bed
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: that night listen to the CDs we bought that day
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: when we had our free time in like La running around.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: I bought the Question. She bought some I don't know pop.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: I think it was Hillary Duff, I'm pretty sure. And
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: we were laying there and we're laughing about how different
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: the albums are that we're listening.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: To clearly, clearly.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: And I loved it then and I love it now,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: and I think I know ninety percent of the words
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: of that album. I think that they perfected like mall
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: Screamo or whatever you want to call it, like between
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: under Os, they're only chasing safety and Emory's the question
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: as far as Christian pop Screamo goes. Those albums are
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: perfect and you cannot top them. And I love them
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: and I any like I'm I. I have tickets to
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: go see Emory play through the Question. They're playing this
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: year or next year something. I have tickets to it already.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: It's I love this album. It's my number.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: One love it. That was amazing. Do you have a
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: picture of the g Force?
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: I do, Unfortunately, yes.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: Can you send that to Mason and I because I
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: just have to wrap my head around and love you will.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: See you will see baby Meg fifteen, sixteen year old Meg,
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: it's very bad.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: I love that it's a children's band and it's yes,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: teenagers in it.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: Yes, I mean if they're like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen?
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, I get it.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. Anyway, that's my take, G Force.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: The point is that I remember the day I bought
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: this album and when it came out, and it was
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: so important to me.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: Do you know how much I remember that part.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: It's the fact that it's called G Force and you're
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: like a band when you're like fourteen years old.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: Do you know how it's like fifteen or sixteen?
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: Do you know how much more respect I have for you?
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: No, but I'll take it. I don't understand it, but I.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: It's it's just a little bit more, but it was.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: It was awesome that you told us that story.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, great, all right, no regrets? Great, all right? Next? Anyway,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: who's next?
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Mason.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 4: I remember when Studying Politics came out the music video
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 4: stew Roots.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: Of course we've talked about that, uh times.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I I mean, it's just it was so life
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: changing at that time. And then I still remember like
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: as I was listening to the entire album, like I
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: remember I think.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: It's called The Terrible Secret or whatever.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: That that song, like thinking to myself, like even at
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 4: that time, like I was eleven, twelve years old, eleven
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: years old, I don't remember how old I was. I
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 4: was so young, but I remember thinking to myself.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: This is just so well written.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: Like it's just like the way that like that song
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: is written, even though it wasn't a but I was
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 4: listening to it and thinking to myself, this is well written.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: Just the entire album is just so well done. I remember,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: like maybe a month or so ago, I was listening
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: to this entire album when I was on a run
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 4: and just thinking to myself, Yep, this hold up to
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 4: this day. Yep, yep, yeah it does. And I think
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 4: it was maybe around that time that, like Colin and
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: I we saw them on tour playing this entire album,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: and I just remember thinking to myself, Yep, this this
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: holds up. It was incredible then, it's incredible now, and
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: to me, because of that, it was incredible then and
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: because it's incredible now, it's number one. It has to
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: be number one. Oh yeah, So Emery is the question
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 4: number one for me as much as there's some other
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: albums where I was just like, god, there's so good
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: this album. It holds up, then it holds up now
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: it's so good.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: It like it.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: It's one of those albums where if people like Meg
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: you mentioned, like god, this is like so like two
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: thousand and five mall core.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: It might be that. That's for sure, Like that's true
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: if you listen to it now though, it's still like
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: it holds up.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: It's like it doesn't like it doesn't just feel like
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 4: just mall core, Like it has its own thing.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: It's it's incredible. It's an incredible album through and through.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: I love it. Yeah, that's number one for me.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm saying whatever mall Core was, whatever Scream
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: oh was that album perfected it? So?
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah it did it.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: You guys took every word that I could possibly say
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: out of my mouth already. But I will add this.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: When I was young, I actually came to this record light.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: Like mostly and I think it was.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: I think it was. I think it was because of
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: the name Emery. I did not so at the time,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: I was like looking for like the heaviest thing I
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: could find, or the most emotional thing I could find, right,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: and Emory seemed like a girl's name, and I was like, yeah,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: well I'm not you know, I'm not going to really
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: give that a chance. And then just like Mason I saw,
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: I saw, I think.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: It was studying politics.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: Probably it was not studying politics. It was.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they had any other music video, though.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: They did, but it was not on this album. It
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: was actually I'm Only a Man?
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: Was it?
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: Walls?
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: No, I'm the Only Man. That was the album.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: After the party song, the party song, Oh, the party
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: song yeah, the party song.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah is I was like, whoa, this is awesome. And
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: then I went back and I listened to the question.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: So it's probably like two thousand and seven.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think six. I Think I'm Only a Man
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: came out in two thousand and seven.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so two thousand and seven is when I first
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: heard the question and I was like, whoa, I missed this.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: I need to uh dive in. And I was hooked
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: from the beginning. It was like crack cocaine directly into
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: my veins. Amazing. Loved it. Amazing hooks, memorable lines. They
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: had a nat and they still do, like even like
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: they're like their new albums, like they have a knack
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: of like taking what would generally be considered cheesy lines
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: and making them sound not cheesy.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: Over one million, over and over and over.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, yep, that's a talent that is incredible. You can't
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: beat that.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 4: So how much do you think how much do you
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 4: think is so what I feel like different differentiates Emery
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: from probably any other band in this world. And this
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 4: is my this might be the thing that like you're
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 4: you're saying, is like why it's like not cheesy for you?
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: They were able to do the the like back and
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 4: forth kind of almost like choir kind of thing.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit, Yeah for sure.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: I think that's how much do you think that differentiates them? Like,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, I do think like sound wise, it differentiates them.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: But how much do you think from like lyrically, like
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 4: is it able for them to like because they would
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: do the back and forth.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: Thing so much? How much does do you think.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 4: That that like plays a factor into the fact that
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 4: they could like go back and forth on these whatever
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: lyrics certainly possible.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, at the same time, Like I'm I've always
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: been a huge Beatles fan, right, And Paul McCartney and
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: John Lennon would trade vocals all the time, and they
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: would harmonize with one another all the time. And so
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: I think like naturally ingrained to me was like this
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: like natural desire to like want to gravitate towards something
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: like that. And yeah, in the heavy music world, it's
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: kind of rare.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, you see you don't You don't hear that often.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you see it in some bands, but like Emery
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: does it just as good, if not better than everyone else, right,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: And that's I think that's part of it for sure.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: I think the other part is that they were just
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: like this might be a cheesy line, and I'm going
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: to own it. It's so so much authenticity because you
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: think of like a young a young man or even
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: like an old boy like writing these lyrics down and
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: believing them one hundred percent, and if they believe it enough,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: it's it is perception is reality, right, So I think
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: that's why I think that's why it still lands, and
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: that's why it still holds up because I mean, to
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: be honest, most of the most of the lyrical content.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: I don't like identify with anymore, right, but I still
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: can like think of, you know, young me identifying with it.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: And that's enough.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a couple of footnotes to add to this.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: First of all, Colin, you explained that so well, their
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: harmonies are impeccable, like they're gorgeous. I mean they have
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: on the first record as well, but the second album.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: It's the back and forth. I mean, I mean, Mason,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: I understand you went and saw Converge instead of seeing
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: Emory at Furnacefest. I get it, but I gotta say they.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: Mason did not see coverage. Mason was looking at the
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: porch of an old house.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: We don't he was, Okay, I forgot. I'm sorry that
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: I brought that up. You're right, I thought that he
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: was a Converged never mind, never mind anyway, I'll have
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: to say if we want to.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: But the reason I did that, though, by the way,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: is because we just saw them like a month before
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: play that same That's fair.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So I had not you guys, I had
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: not seen Emory since two thousand and fifteen, and when
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: I saw them play with as City's Burn actually, which
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: was amazing, but that's the last time. I no, no,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I lied twenty eighteen when I saw them
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: open for Oasleeper, But they played a lot of new
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: songs that I didn't really know very well. When they
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: played it Furnace Fest this year, which was like literally
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: a month ago, exactly, they played all old songs. I
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: was almost in tears because it was so beautiful and
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: their harmonies were incredible, and like, I don't know, it
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: was just perfect. It was exactly anything I could have wanted.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: But I did want to point out a certain song
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: we've talked about how Colin, I think you pointed out
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: how some of the lyrics could have been contrived or cheesy,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: but they sing it so earnestly and authentically that it's
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: just like I believe you. I believe that you were
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: in the space and you believe the things that you're saying.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: There's a song called listening to Freddie Mercury, Yes, And
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: I need to point out that song because in a
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: similar vein that five Iron Frenzy shaped a lot of
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: my theology and politics. That song, first of all, it's
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: a badass song. It's so good, it's a catchy song,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: it's interesting enough to keep you, to keep you interested,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: but it's like catchy enough to have these different hooks
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: and have it get stuck in your head. I remember
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: listening to the song with my sister and my best
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: friend and other students in our tiny Christian high school,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: and like the names that he's naming in that song
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: are like different girls, like in our small Christian high school,
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: and so we like gravitated towards it. But the whole
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: point of the song being like Christians have different convictions
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: about different things, and we need to stop vilifying each
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: other and just be unified in the thing that is important,
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: and that is about Jesus, and that's it. And if
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: you're going to like be like you're not a Christian
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: because you listen to the secular band who swears, like
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: shut up? Who cares? That song impacted me so much
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: and I just needed to call that out.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I think what's interesting is like maybe ten
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 4: years later, So this was released in two thousand and five,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 4: ten years later.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: For sure.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 4: By by that point Bad Christian became a thing, And
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 4: like I think about, like how the fact that like
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 4: that song came out in two thousand and five Bad
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 4: Christian does their thing whenever that starts coming out, but
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 4: like certainly by twenty fifteen, ten years later, after the
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 4: question comes out, it's like, how are you all like
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 4: still like thinking like Emery's this band that like is
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 4: gonna be this like hard line. We're gonna like there's
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 4: only a certain way of doing this kind of thing.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 4: Like in two thousand and five, they were already releasing
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 4: this song where it was like they were calling out
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 4: all of you people that were the people. Yes, we're
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 4: calling out the bad Christian podcast. Like I just like
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 4: think about that all the time too, Like I don't know,
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 4: it's a whole thing.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one last side note, My best friend, her
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: name is Jess, and she lives in LA and she's
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: like a famous painter. I texted her and my sister
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: that I was going to be on this podcast and
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: I was gonna get to talk about this album which
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: was important to us, specifically the song I just discussed.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: She texted me as we are recording and said to me,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: playing listening to Freddie Mercury right now, and hell yeah,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: I love the song then and this album and honestly
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: it's still hits.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah, it does it? Does it?
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: Does right now. I got that texts five minutes ago.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: So here we are. It's number one for me? Where
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 3: was it for you?
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: Two?
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 3: For me? Number two? And then Meg number one, number one.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: This makes it easily gotta.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: Be here easily, all right, So my screen.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: Amberlin's got to go to a tier.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Amberlin.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: Amberlin could be s tier still, but after Emory.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think you got to you guys,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: there's gotta be wild.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: I like, I like the way that it's shaping up
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, Mason, you said you said that you
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: wanted it to look like this. Look at it.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm seeing.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying the bell curve, the bell curve there,
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: it is like that curve.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 4: We got a couple more, all right, So uh, next
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 4: one joy Electric the Ministry of Archers, which came out
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 4: in Looking right Here, just not that much longer August
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 4: of twenty nine, of twenty five.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: So first I'll go first on this.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't really have any opinions too much to
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 4: say about this, so.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: That's that's great. So this is Jason Martin's brother, I
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: believe right, it is Chris Martin Martin is Ronnie Ronnie.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: Chris Martin's from Cold Plate.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: That's correct.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: Differently, I hate this and everything about it. Oh my god,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: I did not know this is going to be a
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: controversial take.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: I'm dead.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: I really did not know this is going to be controversial.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be the biggest dichotomy here. Okay, go ahead.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Meg, I'm so sorry. I did not
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: know this is going to be controversial. I thought everyone
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: hated this album.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: No, not even a little bit.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, this blows so much chunks to Kingdom.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: Come wait, okay, Colin, I have a question. I want
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: to hear all your thoughts about this album. Do you
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: in general hate Joe Electric?
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: Ah?
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, there you go. That's it. That's that's all
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: I need to know. Go ahead.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. To be fair, maybe I haven't given it enough
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: time or anything like that, but I hated it when
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: I was young. I thought it sounded like sophomoric and
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: childish back then, and I think it sounds sophomoric and
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: childish now. And I'm really not trying to say that
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: to be mean by any means. I just despise Joy Electric,
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: and I especially despise the ministry of archers. I think
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: there's some like cool things when it comes to like
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: like the lyrical content and stuff. I like, I like
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: where where where Martin was going on some of the stuff.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: But I just cannot get into it. The music is
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: so off putting to me. Okay, it just it feels
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: very poorly thought out and rat real mix. And yeah,
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't I don't. Like I said, I
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: don't mean to be mean, but I just I really no, no,
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: no this album.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: Mason said that we might have some like controversial takes
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: and some heavy disagreements. So Colin, do you not like
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: any of the kind of heavy bleeps and bloops sounding artists?
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: Is that your thing? Is?
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: Is?
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: Just?
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: Is it not your thing?
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: I mean no, totally not. In fact, I love a
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: lot of electronic artists in general. Interesting, but this sounds
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: so samply. I'm not that samply.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: That's not that's at all.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, that's that's the incorrect word.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: It sounds like a cheap keyboard sample, like do you
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: know what I mean?
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: Like, I mean, he has an entire song called Monosynth
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: talking about his monosynth.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: Right, I know it's I wish I could explain this better,
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: but I just can't. The words are not coming to me.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, it doesn't.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: It feels like something I could have made fifteen years ago, that.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: You personally, you could have made this album yourself. Is
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: that what you're saying.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: I do feel like that. Yeah.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, Mason, I want to hear your take for
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: I share mine. If you're okay with that.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 3: You're gonna hate me, Meg.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 4: I am just so maybe it's I'll here, here's what
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 4: I'll say. It's just not my style of music, Okay,
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 4: any sort of like synthpop stuff. There's some of it
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 4: that I'm like, not like into this being one of them.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 4: There's some of it that I'm like a little bit
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 4: more into. Like I don't know if you ever listen
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 4: to Youth Lagoon.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 3: I really like.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 4: Youth Lagoon has like a synthpop, but this it feels like,
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 4: honestly it. Okay, this is gonna be very disparaging. Okay,
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 4: So okay owning that, I'm owning that, Okay, it's my
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 4: own thing. It sounds like eight bit, like Nintendo Core but.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: Synthp Okay to be fair.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: It owns like that, and I'm like, it's not my thing, y,
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 3: It's just not my thing.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, there are some songs I'll give you a credit
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: where it's due that do sound very video game eight bits.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: I get that fully. I just think it's so unique
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: and interesting and like very disagree with Colin. I don't
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: think there's anyone in hell I could have made what
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: he made. I think it's unique. I think there's nothing,
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: nothing in the Christian world that sounded anything remotely like this.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to even define me.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 3: Why would you if you were a Christian? Why else
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 3: would you do that?
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like it's so unique and so interesting or.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 3: You're the only one, because who else would view that?
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: You guys? It's I don't know. I don't know. And
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: it's the craziest thing because Joy Electric is not one
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: of my favorite bands in the whole world, but I
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: I listened to this album. Uh not when it came
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: out into the seven Sorry, Mason, I feel like I'm
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: cutting into your time. What did you rank this?
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 3: Uh? It's last?
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: Its shit?
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, you guys, this is my number three? What?
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 3: Whoa what?
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: Oh my god?
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: This is my number three. I okay, I have to
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: I have to be honest. I might be biased. I
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: love Ronnie Martin. I think he's a good person.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 3: I think that he.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: Has done I think he has done something so unique.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: And maybe that's just because I'm really, really tired of
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 2: bands that sound the same and Joy Electric. There is
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: no single band that has sound sounded similar to them,
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 2: not only in the Christian world of music, but in
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: the general world of music, and I think I just
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: am drawn to that. I don't know, Like there's songs
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: that are dancing like LCD sound System, and there's songs
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: that are like bleep and bloop indie like Postal Service,
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: but in general they a joy Electric Ronnie Martin sounds
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: nothing like anything else, and I appreciate that and love that.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: Now to be frank, I have to be in a
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: certain mood to want to listen to him, like to
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: be to be honest, But when I'm in that mood,
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: it hits and nothing else can. It is just It's
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: just what I want, and it's just what it is.
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: So I'm more familiar with Like my favorite Joe Electric
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 2: song is not on this album, but a dude that
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: I liked Slash, was into then became a boyfriend, and
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: then an ex boyfriend gave me the song We Become
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: as Murderers from this album on like a mix, and
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: I fell in love with it pretty much immediately listen
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: through the album. I think I was way too much
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: into hardcore at that point in my life that I
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: just didn't do a deep dive. But later, within the
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 2: last like I don't know, a decade or such, I
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: listened to more Joy Electric and then revisited this album
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: within the last week, and I was like, hell, yeah,
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: I love this. I just like this a lot. It's unique,
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: it's interesting. I think it's wonderful.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: I respect that. I respect that. I think I think
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: for me, really, where like the disdain comes from is
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: I heard give Up by the Postal Service in two
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: thousand and four. I know it came out two thousand
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: and three, but I heard it in two thousand and
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: four day and I was blown away by it. And
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: that kind of like set the tone for me of
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: like what is acceptable and what is unacceptable when it
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: comes to electronic music in general, and hearing this it
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: just felt like a child made And that's where I'm
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: in such a bad spot for it.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 4: Well, am I like around that time that I was
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 4: listening to it. This might have been right before, but
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 4: around that time, there was an artist that was huge
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 4: on MySpace.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 3: I'm freaking in his name A Play Radio Play.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, I thought you're gonna say Breathe Cal I remember that.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: I remember that album.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 4: I heard that, Yeah, and he like he ended up
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 4: changing his name, but like it was kind of that
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 4: vibe of like very electronic. And I remember even at
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 4: that time and he was like he was seventeen years
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 4: old when that like.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: Play radio way more but Mason, he was way more
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: poppy than Joe Electric.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: But yeah, there was a reason for that.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 4: But there's a reason that I was about to say,
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 4: there's a he was so good at like getting the
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 4: right kind of like vibe of that in a way
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 4: that like Joe Electric cann't do.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 3: So I'm just saying and in my opinion, so.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: I question one more, one more quick thing. I think
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: the reason I really just like Joy Electric is because
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: the name is rip off of Joy Division and they
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: don't sound.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: Anything alike you know what's crazy. That's part of why
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: I love it. That's part of why I love it.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: I love Joy Division. I I literally I don't know
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: if you guys knew this, Mason, I don't know if
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: I share this with you. I am a goth DJ.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: I d I for a year and a half. Now
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: I DJ a goth night at a local club where
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 2: I live. I love Joy Division and the fact that
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: this this artist is called Joy Electric, I think is awesome.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 2: It's paying homage and it's like, yeah, like my joy
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: is in this like electric output, and I don't know,
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 2: I like it. I think it's paying homage. I think
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: it's read.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 4: If it only were they were as good as Joy Division.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 3: All right, so.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 4: All right here we are Joy Electric. Okay, So I
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 4: think that would average out to a nine coluen.
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: A nine point six, which puts it that C that
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: puts it in D.
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 4: Before or after that above above it's better than okay,
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 4: at least at least.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 3: Our last two.
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 4: The second to last is Spoken's last chance to breathe from.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 3: August of the thirty thirtieth of two thousand and five.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 3: So Spoken's last chance to breathe towards the end of
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 3: the year. Who wants to go first?
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: I can start here. This band. I think it's kind
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: of slept On. I think that they are miss genre
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: over and over and over again, so they never were
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: really able to like find a place for themselves in
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: the music scene. And I think a lot of bands
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: kind of struggle with this where they can't quite find
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: their niche in a community that it's willing to like
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: latch onto them. I think like they were kind of
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: compared to like Pillar in some regards because they toured
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: with Pillar some, but they don't sound anything like Pillar,
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: that's true. They were also paired up with like Red,
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: and they don't sound anything like Red, so they were
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: kind of they were kind of like in the dad
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: rock scene, but they aren't dad rock, and I think
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: that's what threw everyone off on them. But I have
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: a distinct memory growing up going to Blockbuster and renting
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: The Lord of the Rings the Two Towers video game,
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: which if you haven't played, is an absolute masterpiece of
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: video gaming, and throwing on this record and listening to
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: it over and over and over again. It was this
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: record and Potter's Field or whatever it is by Twelve Stones,
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: so another dad rocky kind of band, but Spoken is
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: so underrated. I think that Tooth and Nail was maybe
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: a bad place for them to be. And that's not
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: because of like lyrical content, because like lyrically, like they
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: definitely like fall in line with like the Tooth and
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: Nail kind of ethos and everything like that. But like,
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think Tooth and Nail really knew what to
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: do with them because they didn't really know where their
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: genre was or like where their scene was.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 4: This tells me nothing about how it hit then versus
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 4: how it hits now.
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, so how how it hates that good good point,
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: good points getting spicy? Back then? I just like the tunes.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't love them, but I listened to the album
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: quite a bit, right, So, like I thought the songwriting
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: was good enough that I was like, this is worth
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: my time to listen to. Today, looking back on it,
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, there's actually some fantastic songwriting here. Like
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 1: this is a much deeper album than I ever would
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: have imagined Last Chance to Breathe. I'm just gonna say,
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: go check it out, listeners, because this is definitely worth
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: your time. In my opinion, I put it at a seven. Okay, Okay, yeah,
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: maybe that's underrated in the rankings.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: Even I don't know, but it might even be underrated
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: for me, Mason, can I go next?
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: Of course cool?
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: I had it at a ten. But that is with
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: a huge caveat, which is that I don't think I
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: listened to this album in two thousand and five, even
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 2: though I liked Spoken a lot. New Medicines Mason. I
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: don't know if you can look this up real quick,
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: but New Medicines was the album I believe right before this, and.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 3: That by them or that by them.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: That's what it. New Medicine is Dead Poetic. What's the
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: album right before this Spoken album?
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: Sorry?
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: Remember getting Dead Poetic and New Medicines and sorry, Spoken
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 2: to you should not.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 4: A moment, a moment of imperfect clarity was in two
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 4: That was in two thousand and three on Tooth and Nail.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 4: The fact that you misjudged that with New Medicines is
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 4: a criminal mistake.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: But you know what why they.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 3: Got it still. Oh my god, it's so different, it's
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 3: so different.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: Oh I'm sorry, Mason, Mason.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 3: No, thank you. No New Medicines.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 4: That is that is Thursday, through and Through Spoken was
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 4: doing an entirely different thing.
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't think so.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: I think I am fully with Colin obviously, so spoken
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: and dead poetic to me, were very similar in my
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: two thousand and three to two thousand and five era.
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: I could be totally wrong, but that is just where
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 2: my brain was at at the time.
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: Right there with you.
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if we can trust our fifteen
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 4: year old brains that much, but.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: All right, maybe not, maybe not. I will give it
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: to you. I did listen to this album in two
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 2: thousand and five, but I cannot remember anything that hit
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 2: me too much. I listened to it again this week
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 2: and I thought to myself, this is a good emo
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: screamo adjacent album. And my number one complaint is I
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: wish there was more screaming stuff.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 4: So the version of that is called News Medicines, and
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 4: it's an entirely different thing. That's basically a ripoff of Thursday.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 4: So I'm just saying it's an entirely different thing. So, okay,
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 4: that's where you're looking for. I'm just it's already out there.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: You're so in the minority.
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just the year before.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, this is not about album. I
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 2: need to listen to it more. It there wasn't enough. Yeah,
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: there weren't enough songs that grabbed me to be like,
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm so upset that I didn't hear
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: this more in two thousand and five, like I felt
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: with Terminal, because I did hear some of the songs
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: on this album. I liked the Spoken album before it
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 2: in two thousand and three, which you said is when
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: it came out. I didn't know two thousand and three,
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: two thousand and four. I liked Spoken, I knew who
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 2: they were. I just for some reason did not fall
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: in love with them the way that I did with Emery,
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: the way that I did with other bands. I don't
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: hate them, I don't love them. I think they're fine.
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 2: I gave it a ten.
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, good call.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: Interesting, Thank you God.
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 4: We're really going in on this one for a eat here, so,
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 4: uh wow, We're just we're.
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 3: Just we're really we're really working on this one. Yeah.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: Are you only saying that because they never got back
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: to us on an email.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 3: No, it's not because of that at all.
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 4: I'm so so if it helps you do your math, Colin,
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 4: because they know it takes you a second to do
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 4: your math, I'm gonna I'm gonna give it an eight.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna give it an eight. So yeah, I'm right, yeah,
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 4: I'm right right in line with with all of you. Yeah,
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 4: Like at the time that it came out, didn't hit
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 4: me super hard, didn't you know.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 3: It wasn't the worst, but it was just kind of there. Uh,
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 3: and you know.
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 4: It was like, you know, those a couple of songs
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 4: or a song or two whatever, it's fine.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 3: Here's what I will say about this album.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 4: So, this album, uh came out with a It came
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 4: out with a cover of Time after Time. And I
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 4: will say this, I do think it's the better, if
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 4: not the best, cover of Time after Time. And I
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 4: say this, I see that, and I say this as
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 4: a Iron and Wine fan, and I think this cover
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 4: might be better than the Iron and Wine cover of
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 4: Time after Time.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 3: So I agree. It's so it's so ridiculously good.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 4: So I will say I feel like the reason why
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 4: I'm giving it as high as I am giving it
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 4: is because of the Time after Time cover, just solely
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 4: on the fact alone that it's such a good cover.
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's appropriate, but okay, I don't
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: know if that's.
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 4: A fair all right, it is number eight though, Like
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 4: that's not that's pretty low.
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, okay, So so Mason, you gave it
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: a what and neat, I gave it a ten colon,
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: you gave it a seven. What does that make it?
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: That makes it an eight point three?
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 3: Eight point three?
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: Which is so, where does that put it? Let's see
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 2: the Let's see.
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: The list slightly better than number one gun, so probably
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: one tier above number one gun, wherever that's at.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, Mason, let's see the list.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 3: Here, slightly above or below.
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: Slightly above what Actually, yeah, it's actually quite a bit above.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: It's that puts.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: It in PRIs So what if we put that right there?
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: I think that's more accurate.
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: That makes more sense to me. Yeah, yeah, me too,
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: goes waking and and yeah that works good.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 3: That's not waking.
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: I'm so sad. I'm so sad about Electric.
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: Uh Bleach, that's Bleach, thank you, sorry Bleach.
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, all right, man, I think we have just
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 3: one last one, the last one, all right, one more.
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 4: So the last album, the last original album in twenty
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 4: in two thousand and five of Tooth and Nail was
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 4: Project eighty six's and the Rest Will Follow, and that
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 4: came out in September twenty seventh, two thousand and five.
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 4: Where do we put this one?
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 1: I can start if you guys want, go ahead, I
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 1: put this at number five. I like this album quite
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: a bit. I don't think it's anywhere near their best,
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 1: but agreed, I think that this is it's verging on
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: dad rock, but it's like the thinking dad's rock. It's
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: the cool dad rock, right. There's there's a lot of
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 1: like kind of there's a lot of almost like a
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 1: call back to grunge. So it's not post grunge, but
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: it's almost like true and true grunge in my opinion,
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 1: And I think I think that's why Project eighty six
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: maybe did not catch on in like the mainstream necessarily
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 1: because grunge was like as absolutely uncool as possible at
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: the time. But I think And the Rest Will Follow
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 1: is just a sick record some really really killer songs,
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: but there's also some filler songs in here as well. Sincerely, Ikabad,
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 1: I remember that song like like knocking me off my
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: socks right away, Uh, just chuggy and trudging and uh
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: definitely taking you on a bit of a journey. I
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 1: think I think those guys right killer riffs as well.
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: That whole album has got great, great rifts. Even the
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 1: filler songs have great rifts on them, but maybe the
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 1: rest of the song doesn't necessarily pull together all the way. Yeah,
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 1: they just they make they make great tunes. This is
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 1: not their best, but it's a pretty darn good effort.
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: I would say there does need to be, in my opinion,
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 1: like a Project eighty six like compilation album, because.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: Oh fully agree, Oh my gosh, they are.
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 1: They are notorious for having some filler and some killer
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: on all yepps.
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 2: Yep, totally. I will follow Colin. So my partner and
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 2: I decided collectively years ago that this is the last
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 2: good Project eighty six album. Now, I have been told
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: that the last couple albums, or the last album at least,
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: has been.
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 3: Read a little behind the times here.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: I yes, I admit I haven't listened to them at all,
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: and I think Mason, honestly, Mason, I think you are
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 2: the one who texted me and told me that they
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 2: were good, and I haven't listened to them, and that
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: is fully me and I completely.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 1: It's a multimedia experience even oh okay, good to know
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 1: there's a comic book that goes with it, and like
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 1: a whole story.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: I definitely did not know that. So the single I
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: think from this album was my Will Be a Dead Man.
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 2: You guys can correct me if I'm wrong. I don't
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: know if it came out on like a Tooth and
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 2: Nail DVD, all of the Tooth and Nail compilations DVDs.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: Like between my mom, me, my brother, my sister didn't
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: give a shit she was in the country. Uh, we
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 2: bought all of the things. We were a tooth and
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: Nail family. Like my mom wanted us to listen to
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 2: Christian music and we just did that, and so we
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: had a lot of Tooth and Nail DVDs. The first
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 2: Project eighty six song I ever heard was one Armed
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 2: Band I think it was called and I loved it.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 2: Uh my will be a Dead Man I fell in
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 2: love with immediately. I listened to this album back in
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: the day. I loved it. I listened to it within
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 2: the last week and I loved it again. And there
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: are some songs that I think are fine, like Colin said,
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 2: and there's some songs that I'm just like, Okay, here's
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: the thing I want to ask you guys this question.
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: I honestly feel a little pretentious saying this but I
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 2: feel like I am pretty good at defining genres with bands.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 2: Project eighty six is one of the few bands I
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: do not know how to define. Sometimes they're new metal,
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 2: sometimes they're dad rock. Sometimes they're like post hardcore almost.
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 2: I do not know how to define this band Church.
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 2: I just I just don't know how to do it.
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 2: And I really like this album. I liked it then,
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: I like it now. I gave it a four.
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 4: I feel like grunge is like the worst genre, like
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 4: to find the mask, but I.
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't call them grunge. That's not one that I'd given them.
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 1: Grunge gets a kind of a weird rap because everyone
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 1: thinks of like Nirvana, yes, Pearl Jam right, yes, that
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 1: also includes like Mother love Bone and Toadies and things
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: like that, which are all over the spectrum.
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 2: Right I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: There is no like defining part of grunge other than
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: like generally pretty like dark sad lyrics, which yeah, most
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 1: of most of Project eighty six is kind of sad
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 1: and dark.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 3: That's her, that's her, yeah, but anger in there as well.
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 3: Meg Did you say what number you were at with
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 3: that one? Uh?
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I have to keep a caveat with my number.
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: I ranked it number four, But I honestly think that
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: part of that is a nostalgia. We talked about this
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 2: in the beginning of the pod, like some of this
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 2: is going to be nostalgia, and upon you know, recent listen,
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 2: I listened to it again and it was just like
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 2: bringing back memories and I just loved it. And I
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 2: remembered how I felt when I heard these songs and
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 2: how was but and some of the songs are angry
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: and some of the songs are hopeful, and I feel
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 2: both of those things still at my current age. So
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 2: I love it, and it's number four for me.
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 1: Love it.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 4: So here's my context with this album. The album before
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 4: Spy Hunter came out.
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 3: Probably, I mean it would be most.
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 4: Just one of the best, one of the best well
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 4: written songs ever, doesn't matter what genre is.
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 3: It's so well written.
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 4: So I'm coming off of that with that sort of expectation,
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 4: and then I hear this album and I'm like a
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 4: little underwhelmed, not that it's bad, it's just I'm underwhelmed.
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 4: I feel that given the fact that I'm like, I'm
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 4: expecting Spy Hunter kind of level shit. Okay, so I
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 4: hear this album back in two thousand and five a
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 4: little underwhelmed given the fact that, like I'm coming off
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 4: of Spy Hunter level expectation and then listening back to this,
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, it still doesn't hit.
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 3: Spy Spy Hunter level expectation. It's it's not like I'm
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 3: not saying it's bad. It's not bad.
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 4: It's not the worst out of all of these for me,
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 4: not even close to that. And it never back then
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 4: twenty years ago, didn't hit that level expectation, and it
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 4: still doesn't hit that level expectation.
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 3: So because of that, because.
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 4: It's kind of just been in this like mediocre space
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 4: for me for twenty years, I'm given it a seven.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 3: So that's where I'm at.
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, Colin, Yeah, I had it at a five. So
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 1: let's see where it's at. So it's a.
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 5: Five four, sixteen to right is a five point three,
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 5: which puts it where at let me see.
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's on you, Mason.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is surprisingly high. This is above.
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not surprising to me. I just I
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 2: don't know. I think similar to to electric like I
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 2: think they're hard to define.
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 1: I think this is the highest end of B or
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 1: the lowest end of A. But I would I would suggest,
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 1: be right there.
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with huge, right, I agree with yeah,
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 2: me too. So I think we should each share our
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 2: take about which album we think is in a very
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 2: incorrect spot and why, and then.
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 3: That's a good point that Yeah, yeah, I like that.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, I mean I know what mine is, but you
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 2: guys can go first.
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 4: So if if I can go first, I would say
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 4: that how the lonely keep it?
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 3: For sure at least gets an eight tier.
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 4: Now, I know that that's not a huge because it's
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 4: it's it's actually it's the lowest B or it's the
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 4: lowest tier.
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 3: Of the BEE.
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 4: But I really do think it deserves to be at
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 4: a A tier. I just I just think the world
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 4: of that album. So that's when I look at all
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 4: these albums, that one feels the most striking for my
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 4: own personal.
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 3: Taste for sure.
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 2: And Mason, that's number.
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 3: One, gun right, that's Terminal, Terminal, Yeah.
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, Terminal. I'm sorry, Okay, I think I agree with
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 2: you on that one.
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 1: Actually, I would push back against that quite a bit.
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 1: I also had that a very low album on mine,
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 1: but I would put that at like maybe A B plus,
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 1: So I'd put that at like the top of the
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 1: B tier if if I was to give a little
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 1: bit on that, I think pulling it completely out of
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 1: the bottom end of the B tier to the bottom
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: end of the A tier is academic dishonesty entirely.
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 3: I appreciate.
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, I do see why you guys want to do that,
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 1: And you know what, how about you put it at
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 1: the top of BP.
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 2: I think I agree. As much as I love Project
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 2: eighty six and how nostalgic they are for me, I
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 2: think Terminal is more as more longevity, I would agree.
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 4: You know, I was gonna say this about Terminal. You know,
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 4: Project eighty six has like what like nine or ten
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 4: albums at this point. Mm hmm, yeah, Terminal had one.
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 4: They had one four album and.
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 2: That's crazy and it was so.
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 4: Good too, And I do think that shapes the way
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 4: I think about this a little bit, Like, yeah, yeah,
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 4: obviously I love this album, right, I love this album.
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 4: If they would have released something, let's say it was
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 4: even better, I this album itself. If they released something better,
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 4: even if it wasn't, this album probably would just like
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 4: get calipulted a little higher for me.
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm just saying.
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 4: Like Terminal really for me was like kind of a
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 4: next level where that he really could have been something else.
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 3: And Colin and I have talked about this before, but
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 3: it is They're a.
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 4: Band that just really could have been something more, but
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 4: just for whatever reason, didn't for a variety of different reasons,
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 4: and here they are stuck at the top of the betier.
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 1: I do think that if they had more time to
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 1: develop and and to keep exploring that same kind of sound,
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 1: that they would have landed on something. Yea, I will
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 1: definitely concede that. Here here's my here's my pick. I
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 1: think that I think that Bleach being in D is
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 1: kind of a it's kind of a rough spot for
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 1: it to be. I don't think it belongs in the
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 1: same tier as.
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 2: Disagree, disagree. I think they belong in TID. I think, Okay,
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 2: if we if we were reviewing a different Bleach album,
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 2: hell no, but this album is not as good as
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 2: any of the other albums they have ever put out
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 2: in their discography.
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 1: I can respect that, Mason.
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 3: I think Meg is one hundred percent on this one. Yeah.
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 4: Uh, if we're talking about a different Bleach album, C B,
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 4: maybe potentially even A, but this one in.
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 3: Particular, for sure top a D tier.
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 4: I would like at the at the highest, the bolt.
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 3: At the bottom of sea tier at the highest.
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's what I was thinking. It's a it's
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 1: a small quibble, but nothing, nothing more. Uh Ma or Meg,
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 1: did you have one that you think is in a
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 1: completely wrong spot?
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 2: Of course I do say.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 1: If you say Joe Electric, I'm gonna say, that's in
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 1: the podcast.
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 2: Now, you know that's what I'm gonna say.
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 1: So you we should have the podcast now that it
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 1: sounds like.
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I this is about a mutual agreement and a
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 2: like accumulative assessment. So I concede to your perspectives.
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 6: But I do not, in any world believe that Joe
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 6: Electric belongs in the DT like no way, like C
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 6: at a minimum, but B is where I would I
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 6: would put it.
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, for me personally, I put it at the
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 2: end of the A. But C is where I would
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 2: put it.
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I'm gonna put this out to the listeners,
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say, listeners.
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 3: What if we did this, does that make a little
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 3: bit better?
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 1: Makes it worse?
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 2: That's much better? Guys, Bleach okay that he can, you can.
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 2: I just give a little bit of like a pushback,
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 2: like almost like a lawyer ish like defense real quick. Sure, Okay,
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 2: Bleach is a good band. Album is taking the worst
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 2: of copycatting from Weezer and like old nineties alt rock
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 2: and this and that and whatever, and then like shoving
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 2: it into a we'd done album right joy electric, hate
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 2: it or love it is not doing anything that is
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 2: other bands or artists are doing, so I think it
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 2: at least deserves to be above Bleach. That's all I'm saying.
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 2: Keep it in the detail. I don't care, but it
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 2: should be a bluff right now. That's that's my argument.
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 1: Remember, Mason, you also gave that a thirteen, which is
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 1: the worst.
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 2: It makes me so sadly, Mason. I love you. I
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 2: think your music opinions are so good. And this is
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 2: the one area that I'm like, God, you're ding dong.
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 3: I can't.
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 4: I'm just like I think, whenever I listen to his albums,
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 4: pretty much all of them, I'm like, what Nintendo.
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 3: Game is this? What Mario Brothers am I playing right now?
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 4: I thought I was playing Mario Brothers four just thought.
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 4: I just went wow, I didn't realize that they released
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 4: this on.
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 1: It's so often, so I just.
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 2: Had and I love it. I love it.
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 1: Listeners, Listeners, please tell us in the comments you.
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 3: Know what's funny?
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 4: Memory released the question in eight bit, and I thought,
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 4: this is Smory's question in eight is better than Joy
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 4: Electric's original albums.
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 1: Without question?
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 2: I just crazy, that's my that's my take. The craziest
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: thing to me is I think did Mason Mason and
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 2: I had the same number one? Right right?
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the question.
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 2: And yet my number three was his number thirteen. That
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 2: is so funny to me.
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting that are our main consensus
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 1: like blows every other album out of the Yeah, was
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 1: the question.
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 4: That that to me, like, that's been pretty impressive. Obviously,
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 4: there's a couple other albums that we were like, we're
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 4: pretty close in terms of the numbers, but the question
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 4: was clearly like far and above, that was the album
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 4: that we were all like consensus, like I think there
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 4: was one of us, A couple of us had a
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 4: number one. I think there was one of us that
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 4: was number two. So it was like, yeah, it was
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 4: clear like that the question was gonna be the top.
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, so true.
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 3: Incredible album.
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 4: I'm a huge fan of this year of tooth and Ails,
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 4: which is again, like we talked about this at the
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 4: beginning of the episode, what's.
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 3: Funny is as much as I think this.
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 4: Is actually a pretty great year of tooth and Nail,
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 4: if you're a Solid State listener, you're probably like, what
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 4: the hell, Like, where's our where's our year for two
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 4: thousand and five, And again I would love to do
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 4: that at some point. Hopefully we can do that here
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 4: before the end of the year, but that year is
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 4: incredible too, and so anyway, arguably like twos in five,
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 4: just in terms of tooth and Nail, if you can
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 4: include tooth and Nail and Solid State, incredible year.
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 2: Of music, so good, so good.
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 4: We're big fans obviously, Meg, you're a big fan, and
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 4: so thank you so much, Meg for being a part
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 4: of this. Yeah, I'm just like a huge fan of
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 4: two thousand and five Tooth and Nail music and.
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 3: Obviously Solid Stay music as well. So thank you so
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 3: much for being part of this.
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thank you so much for having me. This
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 2: was so much fun. Oh my gosh. I appreciate it
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 2: so much.
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 1: Usco muscles, muo uside uncle,