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Friday Mornings with Jack Windsor - Ohio's medicaid scandal · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: FUC station. I'by averlright Ey. Hope you got some good
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  Speaker 1: plans for the weekend. Always pleased to hit this time
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  Speaker 1: of the week because we get the Ohio Press networks,
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  Speaker 1: Jack wins Or check them out online, the Ohiopress network
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  Speaker 1: dot com. Great reporting there and reposting to some really
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  Speaker 1: important stories, one of which we were talking about here
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  Speaker 1: in a minute, critics questioning unions after one billion dollars
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  Speaker 1: in political spendings. Of course we're talking about teachers unions.
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  Speaker 1: But let us pivot over. Jack wins Or, Welcome back
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  Speaker 1: to the fifty five KRSE Morning Show, my friend. Always
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  Speaker 1: great to have you.
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  Speaker 2: On, Brian.
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  Speaker 3: It's always an honor to be here with you and
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  Speaker 3: Joe and the karc family. Thanks for having me. I
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  Speaker 3: appreciate it, and I enjoy our exchange every week. And
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  Speaker 3: formative it is, and I'm glad to see right there
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  Speaker 3: on top. This is explosive. The Daily Wire reporting on
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  Speaker 3: this has been mind blowing for me. Of course, we're
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  Speaker 3: talking about the Ohio Medicaid scandal, and apparently it just
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  Speaker 3: got the attention to Mike DeWine yesterday, who said he
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  Speaker 3: announced new initiatives aimed at fraud prevention.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, you got the memo. Finally, Mike, he favored in
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  Speaker 1: an audit in twenty twenty four, revealing the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: two data would show that the electronic verifications weren't being done.
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  Speaker 1: Jack winsor. Let me ask you a question, because I
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  Speaker 1: don't get this now. The Daily Wires reporting points out
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  Speaker 1: a key component is mandatory Electronic Visit Verification evv YES,
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  Speaker 1: which GPS captured the date to time in the service location.
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  Speaker 1: It is required by federal law, a law that was
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  Speaker 1: passing twenty sixteen mandating states require evv by at least
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  Speaker 1: January twenty twenty two for the highest risk categories, the
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  Speaker 1: ones we're talking about people family members in their own homes,
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  Speaker 1: providing services to family. We pay for that. Now, Jack,
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  Speaker 1: that's great. Yet in Ohio that was suspended. I mean
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  Speaker 1: even Faber said until years ago, GPS was required. Now
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  Speaker 1: it's optional. I don't know for the life of me
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  Speaker 1: why it went away. Well, apparently Dwine woke up yesterday
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  Speaker 1: and said, oh, we've been working on this. We're talking
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  Speaker 1: about something that was supposed to be in place back
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. Can you solve this question for me, Jack,
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  Speaker 1: because I don't know what the hell's going on.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and I apologize. I'm going to take a victory
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  Speaker 3: and I'm going to pat myself on the back. Please
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  Speaker 3: as well as state lawmaker Mike Devilla. You can probably
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  Speaker 3: see I have a copy of a report that I
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  Speaker 3: published back in May of twenty twenty five. Now this
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  Speaker 3: is important because Villa he was probing the Medicaid system
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  Speaker 3: and he found a very troubling abdication of oversight in
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  Speaker 3: about six billion dollars of money that flowed through Ohio's system.
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  Speaker 3: Now that money came from what's called the aged blind
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  Speaker 3: and disabled group. It is the smallest group that Medicaid covers,
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  Speaker 3: but it accounts for almost half of Ohio's Medicaid spending.
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  Speaker 2: So this is what kicked it off.
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  Speaker 3: Now, the home healthcare provisions that you're talking about are
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  Speaker 3: actually in that age blind and disabled category. And so
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  Speaker 3: kudos to Mike Devilla, and frankly, kudos to Keith Faber,
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  Speaker 3: who for a couple of years had been working with
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  Speaker 3: the Dwine administration trying to get the permissions he needed
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  Speaker 3: to go in and look under the hood those permissions.
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  Speaker 3: It was actually Mike de Villa who put into the
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  Speaker 3: state budget, the last by anion budget five million dollars
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  Speaker 3: for the Auditor's office, plus enhanced permissions that have allowed
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  Speaker 3: Faber to go in now. And by the way, that
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  Speaker 3: investigation is still ongoing. We're uncovering more and more and more.
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  Speaker 3: But all of that to say, Keith Faber had previously
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  Speaker 3: tried to do investigative work and the Medicaid Apartment rejected him.
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  Speaker 3: That's number one, go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: It's his job to do that.
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  Speaker 2: It is his job.
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  Speaker 3: But what we've heard from him and from others in
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  Speaker 3: the Dwine administration is that they cried things like hip
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  Speaker 3: a violation, privacy, so on and so forth, and they
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  Speaker 3: were trying to do everything they could to get the
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  Speaker 3: information they needed.
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  Speaker 2: So we knew that this was a mess.
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  Speaker 3: But I want to hit what you hit because that
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  Speaker 3: came out It was actually their fifth or sixth report
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  Speaker 3: the Daily Wire, Yeah I'm talking about, and they uncovered
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  Speaker 3: that this electronic visit verification, which is reed, which is
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  Speaker 3: what you said, by federal law, it was basically made optional.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And then here here's the kicker. This report, Brian.
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  Speaker 3: Came out in May of twenty twenty five. The electronic
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  Speaker 3: visit verification was made mandatory in July of twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 3: But here's the kicker nobody's talking about. They actually then
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  Speaker 3: made the default for the GPS tracker on the EVV off,
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  Speaker 3: and that's and so you go, Okay, you required EVV,
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  Speaker 3: but you made it toothless by putting the GPS requirement
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  Speaker 3: it's off, unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: And processing payments without the EVEV information, which is a
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  Speaker 1: necessary component to get a payment.
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  Speaker 3: It should be I'm looking at it right here. It
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  Speaker 3: should be a violation of Section one two zero zero
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  Speaker 3: six A of the twenty first Century Cures Act of
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  Speaker 3: twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 2: Federal violation, Brian, Yes, huh so yes, now to your point.
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  Speaker 3: Now, Mike to Wine comes out and says, oh, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: we've been looking into this. We've been doing our job.
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  Speaker 3: We have oversight, we have EVV. That's a great story,
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  Speaker 3: but you've had EVV. You didn't make it mandatory until
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, and then when you made it mandatory,
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  Speaker 3: you made it almost impossible by putting the default for
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  Speaker 3: GPS it's off. So he's now trying to take a
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  Speaker 3: victory lap like he has these systems and processes in
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  Speaker 3: place that would have prevented fraud. And it is exactly
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  Speaker 3: people are seeing it, Brian as exactly what it is.
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  Speaker 3: It's a Mike to Wine cover your ass operation.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: And on that point, we're going to bring back Jack
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  Speaker 1: wins Or talk a little bit more about this, but
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  Speaker 1: also Ohio's ed Choice program something I thoroughly embraced concept
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  Speaker 1: of education choice, a bi partisan things. So the talk station,
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  Speaker 1: Hey forty two, if you have KCD talk station, the
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  Speaker 1: iopressnetwork dot com, sohere you find Jack wins Or a
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  Speaker 1: recommending bookmark on the page and check out what he's
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  Speaker 1: reporting on and re reporting throughout the week. Jack Winsor,
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  Speaker 1: I guess my wife had an interesting question. Since none
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  Speaker 1: of us in our family and a way like Amy
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  Speaker 1: acting and prefer v big Ramaswamy, she pouted out she's
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  Speaker 1: the head of the Ohio Department of Health. Does she
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  Speaker 1: have any responsibility for medicaid oversight? We have one more
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  Speaker 1: talking point to go after Amy acting on Jack.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's a great question, and I don't know that
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  Speaker 3: she would, although I'm certain she would have sat in
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  Speaker 3: those cabinet meetings with the Director of Medicaid, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: who has since resigned. Since Mike de Villa's investigation began.
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  Speaker 3: You know, when you look at public health, right, she
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  Speaker 3: should be at least included in that conversation or would
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  Speaker 3: have been back in you know circa twenty twenty, twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty one.
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  Speaker 1: No, that would be amy lockdown acting. Yeah, go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: let me put that in there real quick. Well, one
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  Speaker 1: of the interesting things is, and you know, red flags
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  Speaker 1: all over the place, so we don't have the electronic
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  Speaker 1: verification for reasons absolutely unknown. And who pulled the plug
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  Speaker 1: on that when it was a federal law that that
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  Speaker 1: was required. But moving on Keith Faber last, I guess
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  Speaker 1: it was May of last year. He pointed out that
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  Speaker 1: Franklin County, Columbus, is home to about thirty percent of
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  Speaker 1: the state's registered in home care businesses, and that's where
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  Speaker 1: this fraud came from. The county alone gets thirty eight
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  Speaker 1: percent of the state's public dollars that are spent on
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  Speaker 1: home health healthcare, and forty one percent of those dollars
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  Speaker 1: is spent in a four mile radius. Nothing to see here, Jack,
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  Speaker 1: is this something nefarious? And I know government Wine has
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  Speaker 1: been accused of being a little too fast and loose
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  Speaker 1: with the Somali community, and we do have the second
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  Speaker 1: largest Somali community in the United States here in the
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  Speaker 1: state of Ohio, and I know he has relationships with him.
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  Speaker 1: And no, Brian Thomas is not being racist. I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about people who commit fraud a subset of the broader
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  Speaker 1: Somali communities. If you're a fraud, Sir, I don't care
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  Speaker 1: where you came from, I want you prosecuted. Is there
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  Speaker 1: some connection here between Governor Wine and this I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to call it cover up for fear of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe overstating it, but it sure sounds like it. Jack.
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  Speaker 3: He certainly has a soft spot for both Haitians and
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  Speaker 3: Somali's And that's not being racist.
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  Speaker 2: That's calling a space of spade. That's number one and
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  Speaker 2: number two.
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  Speaker 3: I just generally tend to believe that Mike Dwine trusts
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  Speaker 3: the bureaucrats and does not look at their reports, does
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  Speaker 3: not listen to them the way that he.
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  Speaker 2: Ought to on behalf of Ohio taxpayers.
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  Speaker 3: But you bring up a really interesting point, and I
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  Speaker 3: want to go back really quickly and point out how
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  Speaker 3: big this issue is, Brian. The Daily Wire report showed
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  Speaker 3: that Ohio blew through a billion dollars in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: four a loan in these so called home health care
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  Speaker 3: services mostly homemaking stuff, chores, companionships, so on and so forth.
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  Speaker 3: So what you just hit though, is really important, and
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  Speaker 3: it's imperative because I believe it was there. Part two
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  Speaker 3: on May fifth, Inside Ohio's home health empire. Seven buildings,
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  Speaker 3: two hundred and eighty eight Medicaid companies, two hundred and
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  Speaker 3: fifty million dollars. So Luke Rosiac takes you inside mostly
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  Speaker 3: empty buildings in Columbus that house two hundred and eighty
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  Speaker 3: eight of these Medicaid home health outfits. They've built taxpayers
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  Speaker 3: over two hundred and fifty million dollars since twenty eighteen,
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  Speaker 3: even though there are only a few thousand actual elderly
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  Speaker 3: Medicaid folks in that area who would need this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And so what Luke.
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  Speaker 3: Saw empty hallways, sorry we're closed, signs on the door,
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  Speaker 3: stray cats in the parking lot, right the whole nine yards.
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  Speaker 3: But here's the deal. The checks just kept coming. And Brian,
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  Speaker 3: this isn't healthcare. It's a welfare empire built on our
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  Speaker 3: don And that's exactly what Rosyac's report. In my opinion,
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  Speaker 3: really paints a picture of without question.
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  Speaker 1: I mean there is no there is no way around
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  Speaker 1: that conclusion. One more with Jack Winsor and this thing
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  Speaker 1: has legs. We're going to talk about this a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the fifty five Carecening Morning Show because it's not
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  Speaker 1: going away Ohio ed Choice program. Huge fan am I
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  Speaker 1: anything involving education choice to get us away from the
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  Speaker 1: nefarious reality that are the teachers Union in doctor nation
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  Speaker 1: camps is what your public schools are. More with Jack,
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  Speaker 1: Don't go away fifty five the talk station AY fifty
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  Speaker 1: fifty five KR see the talk station. Thank you Jess
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  Speaker 1: Jrecker for the appropriately time bumper music. Brian Thomas here
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  Speaker 1: with Jack Winsor from the Ohio Pressnetwork dot com. Right
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  Speaker 1: there on the front page. I was pleased to see
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  Speaker 1: the article you reposted by Esther Wickham from the Center Square.
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  Speaker 1: The critics question unions after one billion in political spending
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  Speaker 1: kind of a funny opening statement. I think it was
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  Speaker 1: tongue in cheek. Education experts are questioning whether the union's
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  Speaker 1: heavy political spending has produced any meaningful improvement in student outcomes. Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like that's what it is supposed to be. Congressman David
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  Speaker 1: Taylor was on earlier. He said, you know they fight
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  Speaker 1: like for example, and I've been singing praises for the
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  Speaker 1: Cincinni Classical Academy because I got the toury yesterday. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the Union stood in the way at every turn for them,
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  Speaker 1: even trying to acquire a building. And he said, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's because they don't. They want every child to be
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  Speaker 1: in the indoctrination camp that are the union run schools.
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  Speaker 1: That's the nefarious reality behind you. That didn't even have
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  Speaker 1: a it self. Should be a red flag to any
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  Speaker 1: parent out there. There are better options if you get
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  Speaker 1: the option. And of course, the one party that's standing
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  Speaker 1: in the way of school choice the Democrats.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, well, and it shouldn't surprise us, right, Brian,
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  Speaker 3: because when you look at this report from the Center Square,
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  Speaker 3: you see that since twenty fifteen, two of the largest
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  Speaker 3: teacher unions in America, the National Education Association and the
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  Speaker 3: American Federation of Teachers, have blown through more than one
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  Speaker 3: billion dollars on politics.
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  Speaker 2: One thousand million.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, that's a lot of money where I'm from,
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  Speaker 3: me too.
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  Speaker 2: And here's the deal.
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  Speaker 3: Though, they looked at California because California is the largest
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  Speaker 3: teacher union in the country, the California Teachers Association. So
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  Speaker 3: they looked there and said, all right, all this money
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  Speaker 3: went to these political programs. So what you would think, Brian,
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  Speaker 3: is that teachers would have better contracts, they'd have better benefits,
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  Speaker 3: they'd be better equipped to produce the outcomes that we
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  Speaker 3: require with our kids. Well, when they looked in California,
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  Speaker 3: they saw two things. The literacy level actually went down
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  Speaker 3: two points over the course of twenty fifteen to twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty six, while a billion dollars was spent, and math
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  Speaker 3: literacy stayed the same. So we're not seeing any increase
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  Speaker 3: in the outputs of our kids. Now, the interesting point
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  Speaker 3: that you also brought up we have to look at
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  Speaker 3: in context to all of this is the fact that
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  Speaker 3: in Ohio we do have an ED choice scholarship program,
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  Speaker 3: and there are three hundred Ohio schools right now filing
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  Speaker 3: a lawsuit trying to stop ED choice expansion. So they're
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  Speaker 3: using our tax dollars to contest the ED choice program.
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  Speaker 3: And the idea that the mantra they keep using is well,
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  Speaker 3: it's public money, so it should be used for public schools.
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  Speaker 3: And Brian the Supreme Court disagrees. Logic disagrees, because the
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  Speaker 3: purpose of education is for the kid. It's not for
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  Speaker 3: the teacher, it's not for the school building. It's not
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  Speaker 3: for the teacher union. Public money, which by the way,
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  Speaker 3: is private money to begin with, before it goes into
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  Speaker 3: the public Pott point, thank you. Public money should follow
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  Speaker 3: the kids. And guess who's in charge of the kids.
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  Speaker 3: Supreme Court has already talked about parents are responsible for
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  Speaker 3: the upbringing and education of their kids primarily, so a
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  Speaker 3: choice says, yep, we take public dollars and we use
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  Speaker 3: them for the public good of educating kids, which is
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  Speaker 3: exactly why the money should follow the kid and not
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  Speaker 3: the building.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if the end up of the school, since
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  Speaker 1: sant classical academy, they teach logic and reason and critical thinking,
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  Speaker 1: which means children are taught to maybe question the political
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  Speaker 1: ideology of the teachers in the room. I used to
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  Speaker 1: do that, you know. I remember her. I remember this
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  Speaker 1: as it was a social studies what are they called it?
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  Speaker 1: Back when I was in high school, and she was
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  Speaker 1: a big left winger and she loved JFK. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: she had this just absolute heart throb thing going and
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  Speaker 1: all we heard about was Democrat this and Democrat that.
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  Speaker 1: It was so obvious, but I mean I was aware
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  Speaker 1: of it. I was politically active as a young person,
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  Speaker 1: but I had critical thinking skills. They're not teaching children
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  Speaker 1: critical thinking. They sit them in the classroom and they
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  Speaker 1: tell them what is what and no one is there
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  Speaker 1: to question it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, not only do they tell them what is what,
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  Speaker 3: they teach them revisionist history. They sprinkle equity into mathematics,
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  Speaker 3: and they put posters on the hallway walls that tell
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  Speaker 3: kids they should go protest ice, yes and borders. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we have really turned a corner into schools being centers
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  Speaker 3: for activism instead of teaching reading, writing, and arithmetic.
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  Speaker 1: Have we turned a corner with America's awareness of that
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  Speaker 1: reality so much so that more and more people are
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  Speaker 1: going to pull the plug on their children in public schools.
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  Speaker 3: Jack windsor well, Brian as you do what you do,
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  Speaker 3: and I do what I do, and other people like
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  Speaker 3: the Daily Wire do what they do. Yeah, I think so.
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  Speaker 3: But the bottom line is you know this, The mainstream
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  Speaker 3: media is lame. They don't ever go off narrative, and
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  Speaker 3: so it's going to be more about getting people cut
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  Speaker 3: uh cut from the cord of of mainstream propaganda to