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The Oort Cloud – The Edge of the Solar System · Talking Science

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So picture a relative who visits so rarely that
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nobody currently alive in your family has ever
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actually met them face to face. Right. Not a
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single person. Yeah, not a single one. But the
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whole family still keeps a chair ready for them
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at the dinner table. Which is kind of spooky
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if you think about it. It really is. And it's
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because the footprints they leave behind on each
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of those rare visits are, well, they're absolutely
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unmistakable. And in this strange, poetic way.
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That is sort of the exact relationship humanity
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has with the subject of our deep dive today.
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I mean, it really is the perfect way to frame
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it. Because we are basically dealing with an
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invisible guest at the solar systems table. We
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really are. Welcome to the deep dive, everyone.
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Today, we are pulling from a really fascinating
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stack of research and articles to explore the
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true, the completely unseen edge of our solar
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system, the Oort cloud. Yeah, the famous Oort
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cloud. Right. And our mission for this deep dive
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is to figure out what this massive structure
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actually is, why we are so incredibly confident
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it exists, even though, you know, we've never
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seen it, and how it just Completely redefines
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what we consider to be our cosmic neighborhood.
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And, you know, the word unseen is really doing
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a lot of heavy lifting here. Oh, totally. Because
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no telescope has ever taken a picture of the
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Oort cloud. None. And no spacecraft has ever
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reached it. And to be perfectly candid. No spacecraft
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built with current technology will ever reach
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it in our lifetimes. Which is just wild to me.
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It's so strange and exciting to dedicate a whole
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deep dive to something that is literally invisible.
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I mean, if you are listening to this, you probably
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have a mental map of the solar system from grade
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school. The standard poster on the science classroom
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wall. Exactly. The sun in the middle, some rings
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showing the planetary orbits, maybe an asteroid
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dealt if the poster was fancy. But once you start
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asking where that map actually ends, everything.
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you thought you knew completely flips. It does.
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And to understand that invisible edge, we kind
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of need to build that mental map outward first.
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Right. Start with what we know. Exactly. We have
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to understand the neighborhood we actually can
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see so we can contrast it with the one we can't.
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So zooming out from Earth, the inner solar system
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is pretty tidy. You've got the rocky planets,
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Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, all crowded relatively
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close to the sun. Then you move further out.
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and hit the big guys, the gas giants, Jupiter,
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Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. Right. And Neptune
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is our outermost major planet. It sits at roughly
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30 times the distance from the Earth to the sun.
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And when I was reading the source material for
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today, I noticed astronomers use a shortcut for
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that distance, right? So they aren't constantly
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saying the distance from the Earth to the sun
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over and over. Oh, yeah. It gets credious. They
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call it an astronomical unit or AU. Yes, an AU.
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It's a really foundational measuring stick in
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astronomy. It's about... 93 million miles. So
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instead of dealing with billions of miles, we
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just say Neptune sits at about 30 AU. That makes
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it so much easier to picture. Exactly. Now, just
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past Neptune, from about 30 AU out to maybe 50
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AU, you hit a region called the Kuiper Belt.
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Now, this is the famous zone where Pluto lives,
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right? That's one resident, yes. Pluto's out
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there. And the Kuiper Belt is basically this
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giant... donut shaped band of icy debris. Right.
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It holds hundreds of thousands of frozen bodies
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that are just left over from the very era when
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the solar system was forming. Like construction
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scraps. Exactly. And structurally, it is essentially
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a flattened disk. It's a wider, colder extension
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of the same swirling disk of gas and dust that
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the planets, you know, condensed out of billions
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of years ago. And the fact that it is a flat
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disk is a crucial detail, I think, because the
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Kuiper Belt is where most of our short period
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comets come from. Yes. These are the comets that
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swing past the sun on orbits lasting maybe a
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few years to a couple of centuries. Halley's
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Comet, for example. Right. And when you map their
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paths, they stay roughly in the same flat plane
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as the planets. They don't swoop in from the
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top or the bottom. No, they are very much part
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of that original planetary disk. But the Oort
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cloud, the Oort cloud is something else entirely.
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both in its unimaginable distance and its shape.
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Because unlike the Kuiper Belt, the Oort cloud
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isn't a flat disk at all. Far from it. It is
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modeled to be a vast, roughly spherical shell
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of icy bodies that entirely encloses the solar
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system. So to help you visualize this at home,
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think of it like this. If the Kuiper belt is
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a flat spinning pizza dough sitting on a counter.
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I love this analogy. Right. The Oort cloud is
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the entire spherical oven surrounding it. Or
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another analogy from our sources is to picture
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the way the skin of an orange surrounds the fruit
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inside, but unimaginably thicker. And so, so
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much further out. Yeah, the distances are really
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where the human brain just starts to short circuit.
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Oh, absolutely. Because the Kuiper Belt ends
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around 50 AU, like we said. Oh. But the inner
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edge of the Oort Club, that doesn't even begin
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until somewhere around 2 ,000 to 5 ,000 AU from
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the sun. That is just a massive jump. It is.
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And it's outer edge. That might stretch as far
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as 100 ,000 or even 200 ,000 AU away. Okay, let
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me do the mental math on that for a second. In
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light years, that outer edge is getting on for
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a quarter to a half of the entire distance to
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Proxima Centauri. Which is the nearest star to
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our sun. That is just a staggering expanse. Let's
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put that into a scale that might actually, you
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know, make sense to a human brain. Please. If
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you imagine the distance from the sun all the
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way out to Neptune was just the length of your
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thumbnail. Okay, my thumbnail. The outer reaches
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of the Oort cloud on that exact same scale would
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be a full kilometer away. Wait. A kilometer away
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from your thumbnail. A full kilometer, yeah.
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You really have to sit with that image for a
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second. It just completely changes how you view
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our home. We aren't just this neat little mechanical
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clock of planets. No, not at all. The solar system
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is actually an enormous, mostly empty sphere
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of space with our sun and planets just huddled
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together right at the very, very center. It's
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a profound shift in perspective, for sure. But,
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okay, this raises a huge red flag for me. Okay,
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what is it? If this structure is a kilometer
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away on our thumbnail scale, and it's entirely
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in the pitch black of deep space, how on earth
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did anyone figure out it was there? I mean, if
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we can't see it, how is it science? Well, the
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smoking gun was a different kind of visitor.
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Earlier, we mentioned the short period comets
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coming from the flat Kuiper belt. Right, the
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pizza dough. Exactly. The evidence for the Oort
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cloud comes from long -period comets. Okay, so
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these are the comets whose orbits around the
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sun take longer than 200 years. Yes, sometimes
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tens of thousands of years. Wow. And unlike the
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short -period comets, their paths are not confined
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to the flat plane of the planets. They streak
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in from every conceivable angle. So they aren't
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following the pizza dough rule. No. They dive
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bomb from above the planets. They swoop up from
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below them. They come in from the sides. And
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their orbits are so highly elliptical, meaning
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they're stretched out like really long rubber
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bands, that when astronomers calculate their
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trajectories, the comets appear to be falling
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in from a distance far beyond anything we had
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previously mapped. And this brings us to a Dutch
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astronomer named Jan Oort, right? Back in 1950.
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Yes, Jan Oort. He was actually building on some
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earlier work by an Estonian astronomer, Ernst
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Opec. Right. And Ort looked at the orbits of
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a couple dozen of these long period comets, and
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he noticed a really striking geometric pattern.
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He did. If you trace their wildly stretched orbits
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backward to their furthest point from the sun,
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they all seem to originate from roughly the same
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enormous distance. And again, this was regardless
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of which direction they came from. Yeah, the
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math was incredibly consistent. It pointed to
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a, well, a spherical reservoir of material at
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a very specific, immense distance. But I have
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to push back on this, though, on behalf of everyone
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listening. Sure, go for it. I appreciate the
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math. I really do. But you're telling me scientists
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just traced some orbital lines backward on a
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chalkboard in 1950, saw they intersected really
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far away, and just declared a giant shell exists.
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It sounds a bit crazy when you put it like that.
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Right. Is that really enough evidence to call
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something a scientific fact? Well, it's a fantastic
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question, and it really requires us to be very
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honest about how science operates at these extremes.
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Okay. Good science communicators should always
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state plainly. that the Oort cloud remains unobserved.
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Unobserved? Yes. Not one single object out there
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in the main cloud has ever been directly imaged.
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Astronomers refer to it as an extremely well
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-supported hypothesis, rather than a directly
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observed structure like, say, Saturn's rings.
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But with all the incredible space telescopes
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we have today, I mean, why can't we just point
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James Webb out there and take a picture? It comes
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down to the inverse square law of light. combined
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with the nature of the objects themselves. Oh,
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right, because they're in the dark. Exactly.
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These bodies are tiny, mostly just a few kilometers
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across. They're essentially dirty snowballs made
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of ice and dust. Right. And at 100 ,000 AU, the
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sunlight reaching them is vanishingly faint.
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For us to see them, that incredibly faint sunlight
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would have to hit a tiny, dark, dirty snowball,
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bounce off, and travel all the way back across
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that same immense distance to our telescopes.
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They just don't reflect enough light to even
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register. No, they sit in permanent, undisturbed
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darkness. We only ever see them when they get
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nudged inward. As they fall closer to the sun,
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the solar radiation heats them up, their ice
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vaporizes, and they form that massive, glowing
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comet tail we can actually see. Which brings
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up the next obvious question, right? Which is?
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If these icy rocks have been sitting out there
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in a deep freeze for billions of years, what
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suddenly pushes them toward the sun? I mean,
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if they are on stable orbits, what provides the
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nudge? It all comes down to gravity acting over
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extraordinarily long timescales. And it works
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in two primary ways. Okay. First, you have the
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gravitational influence of passing stars. Because
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our solar system isn't just sitting still in
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space. Right. We are orbiting the center of the
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Milky Way galaxy, and so are all the other stars.
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And occasionally, on a cosmic timescale of millions
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of years, other stars pass relatively close to
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our solar system. And because the objects in
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the outer Oort cloud are so far from our sun,
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the sun's gravitational grip on them is incredibly
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weak. So a passing star can exert just enough
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of a tug to disrupt their orbits. It's a little
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nudge. Yeah, a tiny nudge. Some objects get sent
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plunging inward toward us. Others get flung out
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of the solar system, entirely just lost to interstellar
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space. Wow. But our sources mention a second
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force at play, too, something called the galactic
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tide. Yes. Which, I have to admit, sounds like
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something out of a sci -fi novel. How does a
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galaxy have a tide? It operates on the same basic
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principle as the tides on Earth, really, just
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on a galactic scale. Okay. Earth's oceans bulge
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because the moon pulls harder on the side of
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the Earth that's closer to it. Well, in the Milky
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Way, our solar system is embedded in a massive
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flattened disk of stars, gas, and dark matter.
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Okay, I'm picturing the galaxy as a giant spinning
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plate. Exactly. And as our solar system travels
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around the galaxy, we don't just move in a perfectly
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flat line. We bob up and down through that disk,
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kind of like a horse on a carousel. Oh, I didn't
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know that. Yeah, we bob up and down. And the
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gravitational pull from all that mass in the
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galactic disk exerts a differential force on
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the incredibly vast Oort cloud. Because the cloud
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is so huge. Right. It squeezes and stretches
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the cloud ever so slightly over millions of years.
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This gentle but relentless tide constantly stirs
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the outer reaches, essentially dribbling a steady
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trickle of comets in toward the sun. And because
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these forces like passing stars and the galactic
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tide are so gradual and chaotic, these comets
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arrive totally individually without any warning.
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Exactly. It's not a predictable meteor shower
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you can mark on a calendar. It's one bright comet
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appearing in the sky, maybe for the only time
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in human history. Right. Which makes you wonder,
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how did all this icy material get out there in
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the first place? I mean, did it form out there
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in the deep freeze? The leading picture. based
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on some really intense computer simulations of
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orbital mechanics, is no. They could not have
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formed out there. Oh, really? Yeah. The material
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in the early solar system was simply too sparse
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at those distances to clump together into objects
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kilometers wide. They had to have formed much
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closer to the sun. Ah, okay. So they were made
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in the same region where the giant planets Jupiter,
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Saturn, Uranus, Neptune were assembling. Yes,
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exactly. They were made of the exact same icy
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building blocks as Uranus and Neptune. Okay.
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But as those giant planets grew, their immense
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gravity began to dominate the region. When small
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icy bodies passed too close to a growing Jupiter
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or Saturn, they experienced a gravitational slingshot.
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Like what we do with satellites. Yes. It's the
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exact same physics we use to accelerate space
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probes to the outer solar system, but just on
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a massive chaotic scale naturally. So to put
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this in everyday terms, these icy rocks are basically
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local kids who got bullied and kicked out of
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the neighborhood by the growing gas giants. That
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is a remarkably accurate analogy, actually. The
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giant planets flung a huge amount of this surrounding
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icy debris in all directions. Some of it was
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thrown into the sun, some was ejected from the
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solar system entirely, and a huge portion was
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flung outward. on massive elongated orbits. But
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wait, if they were flung outward on stretched
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out orbits, how did they form a spherical shell?
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Wouldn't they just keep coming back to where
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they started? That is where the galactic tide
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and passing stars come back into the story. Oh,
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the stirring. Yes. Once those objects were flung
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far enough away from the sun, the external gravity
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of the galaxy began to tug on them. Over billions
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of years, those external forces pulled sideways
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on those elongated orbits. Okay. And that lifted
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their closest approach to the sun further and
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further out, rounding out their paths and basically
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scattering them into a spherical shape. So the
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Oort cloud is essentially built from the solar
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system's own leftover construction material.
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Yeah. Gravitationally exiled to the outer darkness
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and then gently molded by the galaxy itself.
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It's an incredibly elegant piece of scientific
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deduction. It really is. And we are actually
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starting to find pieces of evidence that bridge
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the gap, aren't we? The source material mentioned
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a sort of middle ground that we can actually
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see. Yes. Astronomers refer to it as the inner
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Oort cloud. Or the Hills Cloud. The Hills Cloud.
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Right. It's closer in, more disc -shaped, and
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denser than the outer spherical cloud. It acts
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like a staging ground that gradually resupplies
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the outer cloud. And we have found a few unusual
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objects sitting in this transitional zone. Like
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the dwarf planet Sedna. Sedna is a perfect example.
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Its orbit is highly elliptical, taking about
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11 ,400 years to go around the sun. That's a
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long year. Yeah. And even at its absolute closest
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approach, it never comes anywhere near Neptune
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or the Kuiper Belt. It is completely detached
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from the planetary zone. So it's too far out
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to be in the Kuiper Belt, but not far enough
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to be in the classic spherical Oort cloud. Right.
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Sedna is like a little breadcrumb proving that
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the transition zone exists. It gives us a real
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observable handhold on this whole theory rather
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than just relying on the math of comets falling
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in. It really confirms that the space out there
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is structured exactly as the orbital models predict.
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So let's talk about the actual physical reality
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of this outer suburb. If we have this massive
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spherical shell of exiled ice, does that mean
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there's just a solid wall of material out there?
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Just how many objects are we talking about? Oh,
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the population estimates are mind boggling. Astronomers
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estimate there could be anywhere from hundreds
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of billions to several trillion individual objects
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out there. Trillions. Trillions, each measuring
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at least a kilometer across. Wow. But given the
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scale we established earlier, the sphere that
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is a light year across, they must be incredibly
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spread out. Oh, entirely. The volume of this
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spherical shell is so vast that the actual density
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of the material is almost incomprehensibly low.
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Okay. They're spread so thin that they will almost
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certainly never collide. In fact, if you were
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standing on an Oort cloud object, the next nearest
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object would be tens of millions of miles away.
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So it wouldn't look like an asteroid field in
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a movie. No, not at all. You wouldn't even be
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able to see the next object. So if you gathered
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all trillions of them up and, like, squished
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them together? The total combined mass might
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only be a few times the mass of the Earth. Wow.
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Just a tiny fraction of the solar system's total
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mass spread over a light year, which really emphasizes
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how empty space is. It is mostly nothing. And
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that leads directly to a question that causes
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a ton of confusion, but is deeply fascinating
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to unravel. Does this massive shell mean our
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solar system is much bigger than we are traditionally
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taught? Because when I think of the edge of the
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solar system, I think of the solar wind. Isn't
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that where it ends? You've hit on the central
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debate. There are two perfectly reasonable ways
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to define the edge of the solar system, and they
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give you wildly different answers. You just described
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the magnetic or particle edge. Right, because
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the sun is constantly streaming out a flow of
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charged particles called the solar wind, inflating
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a vast bubble around the planets called the heliosphere.
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Yes, and where that solar wind finally weakens
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and gets overwhelmed by the interstellar medium,
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the gas between the stars, you hit a boundary
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called the heliopause. The heliopause. Right,
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and that sits at about 120 AU from the sun. Which
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is famous because of the Voyager 1 spacecraft,
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right? Yeah. It launched in the 1970s, and we
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always hear the headline that it left the solar
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system in 2012. Yeah. It crossed that exact heliopause
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boundary. Voyager 1 absolutely crossed the heliopause.
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By that magnetic definition, it entered interstellar
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space. But... There is a second definition. The
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gravitational edge. The gravitational edge. Because
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the sun's gravity doesn't just hit a wall and
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stop like the solar wind does. Right. Gravity
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keeps going. Gravity has an infinite reach, though
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it weakens with distance. So the gravitational
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edge of our solar system is defined by the Hill
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Sphere. Hill Sphere. Yeah. That's the region
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where the sun's gravitational pull is stronger
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than the gravitational pull of any neighboring
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stars. And that dominance stretches all the way
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through the Oort cloud, nearly halfway to Alpha
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Centauri. Wait. So if Voyager 1 has been flying
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for 50 years at roughly 38 ,000 miles per hour,
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and it's the furthest human -made object in history,
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where is it relative to the gravitational edge?
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Not even close. By the gravitational definition,
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Voyager 1 hasn't even reached the inner edge
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of the Oort cloud yet. Oh my gosh. Yeah. At its
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current speed, it'll take another 300 years just
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to reach the inner edge. And it will take tens
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of thousands of years to clear the outer edge
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and truly leave the sun's gravitational grip.
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That is just, it really reframes our place in
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the universe. We've been flying for half a century,
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and we haven't even reached the front gate of
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our own property. It is a very humbling perspective
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on cosmic scales. Definitely. Now, while our
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probes are struggling to get out, it is worth
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noting that things do occasionally come in from
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the outside. Interstellar interlopers. Conceptually,
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yes. Everything we've discussed in the Oort cloud
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is gravitationally bound to our sun. Right. Even
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on a 100 ,000 -year orbit, an Oort cloud comet
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will eventually loop back. But in recent years,
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astronomers have discovered a new class of objects
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entirely, genuine interstellar objects tumbling
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through our system. Meaning they originated around
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some entirely different star system, and they
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are completely unbound by our sun's gravity.
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They're just passing through. Exactly. They arrive
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from interstellar space, plunging in on... hyperbolic
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trajectories that tell us they are moving far
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too fast to be captured by the sun. Wow. They
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whip around our star and shoot back out into
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the void, never to return. They can look super
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fitfully like comets, but their incredible speeds
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prove they don't belong to us. Which really ties
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everything we've talked about together beautifully,
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I think. It does. The story of the Oort cloud
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is such a perfect example of how the scientific
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method operates at the frontier of our knowledge.
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Reasoning carefully from indirect evidence like
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the orbits of long period comets. Staying honest
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about what we don't know. Right. And testing
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hypotheses with computer models. Using physics
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to map a vast, ancient, silent shell of ice that
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surrounds literally every spacecraft we've ever
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launched. It is astronomy working exactly as
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it should. And as our survey telescopes become
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more advanced, scanning huge swaths of the sky
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night after night, we will likely catch more
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of those transitional objects like Sedna. So
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the picture will keep getting clearer. Yes. But
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the fundamental detective work from 1950 holds
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remarkably strong today. So, for you listening,
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the next time a bright, unannounced comet makes
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the headlines, you'll know exactly what you are
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looking at. Yeah, it's not just a rock. Right.
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Don't just think of it as a rock coming from
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space. You'll know it's a frozen leftover from
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the chaotic birth of our very own solar system.
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It's an icy building block that got bullied out
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into the dark suburbs billions of years ago,
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and it's finally falling home. A silent visitor
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from our deepest past. I want to leave you with
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one final provocative thought to mull over today.
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We talked about how passing stars and the galactic
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tide constantly stir the outer Oort clouds, sometimes
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flinging our exiled ice completely out of the
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solar system, right? Right. And we just talked
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about those interstellar objects tumbling through
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our system from other stars. If you put those
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two facts together, if every star in the galaxy
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is doing this, throwing off its own leftover
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construction material into the dark, how much
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of the vast, supposedly empty space between the
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stars is actually filled. Think about it. There
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might be a slow drifting traffic of lost ice
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from countless alien solar systems just waiting
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to tumble through ours. Thanks for joining us
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on the Deep Dive. See you next time.