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Sharri | 27 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on You twenty four.
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Speaker 2: You're watching Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good evening.
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Speaker 4: It's the first night of News twenty four and it's
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Speaker 4: a big show this evening. Just into Alan's set to
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Speaker 4: be rolled before voters could punter her Elon Musk warning
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Speaker 4: robots will overtake human intelligence in just five years, and
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Speaker 4: the woman accused of abusing Jewish leaders is exposed. We'll
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Speaker 4: get into all of that shortly, but first, the Labor
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Speaker 4: Conference on the weekend has further exposed the radical nature
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Speaker 4: of the alban Ezy government and the current labor movement.
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Speaker 4: There were calls for a wealth an inheritance tax, a
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Speaker 4: gas tax, and even for business owners to lose control
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Speaker 4: of their own company. Now Albanisi personally fought for an
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Speaker 4: inheritance tax at the nineteen ninety one policy conference, as
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Speaker 4: I've previously reported. Now these radical motions was shelved at
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Speaker 4: least for the moment, but there were obscene concessions to Hermas. Yes,
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Speaker 4: the terror group Harmas at the conference. Labour's new policy
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Speaker 4: platform has removed calls for Hamas to disarm and for
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Speaker 4: a commitment by the Palestinian authority to reform. Now, this
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Speaker 4: is what the Labour Conference policy platform previously said it
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Speaker 4: previously said Hermas must disarm and can have no role
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Speaker 4: in the state of Palestine, not that there is a
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Speaker 4: state of Palestine, but that has now been wiped, removed,
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Speaker 4: delete it now. Labour should remember that under Australian law,
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Speaker 4: Harmas is a prescribed terrorist organization.
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Speaker 3: But unbelievably the Prime Minister thinks this.
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Speaker 4: Outcome that includes removing the explicit call for Harmas to
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Speaker 4: disarm is the correct one.
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Speaker 5: What do you say to that push to have a
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Speaker 5: recognition of Israeli genocide in the party platform?
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Speaker 2: Look, what I say is that the party platform.
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Speaker 6: Has got the balance right and what we need to
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Speaker 6: do is to make sure that we as a country,
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Speaker 6: this is a conflict a fair way away from us,
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Speaker 6: but that everything that we do is balanced. That we
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Speaker 6: say that I support the right of Israel to exist
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Speaker 6: within secure borders. I also support the legitimate aspirations of
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Speaker 6: Palestinians for their own state and to live in peace
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Speaker 6: and security with prosperity. Now we want to see that
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Speaker 6: coming together in Australia can play a role in promoting
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Speaker 6: harmony rather than conflict, and that is the role that
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Speaker 6: I want our government to continue to play.
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Speaker 4: Promoting harmony rather than conflict. Well, of course, his government
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Speaker 4: has done nothing of the sort. It's not promoting harmony.
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Speaker 4: The Albanese government policies have only fanned the flames of
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Speaker 4: anti Semitism. Albanesi in his ministers did very little, if anything,
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Speaker 4: to calm the hatred against Zionists that arose, and Albinizi
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Speaker 4: even praised the Harbor Bridge March where terror flags were flown.
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Speaker 6: Yesterday's march was peaceful and was an opportunity for people
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Speaker 6: to express their concern about what is happening in Gaza.
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Speaker 4: And at times his government has criticized the decent democracy
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Speaker 4: of Israel more than the evil death cult of Harmas Now,
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Speaker 4: former Labor Minister Mike Kelly is extremely worried and he's
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Speaker 4: going to be on the show this evening for an
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Speaker 4: exclusive interview. But he writes today that endorsing or appearing
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Speaker 4: to legitimize Hermas would damage our credibility are the integrity
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Speaker 4: of our stand against extremist propaganda by Iran and by
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Speaker 4: its proxies. He says, it flatly contradicts our government's declared policy. Now,
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Speaker 4: the official Labor policy platform does risk legitimizing the worst
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Speaker 4: terror organization in the world Hamas, as Mike Kelly said,
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Speaker 4: a proxy of Iran has beheaded, raped, burned, entire innocent families,
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Speaker 4: kidnapped families, kidnapped a baby. Its massacre on October seven
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Speaker 4: and its use of human shields.
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Speaker 3: Have also caused the deaths of.
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Speaker 4: Thousands of Palestinians. Yet Muslim MP ed Husick complains the
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Speaker 4: conference didn't go far enough.
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Speaker 7: But I want us to take a stand on I
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Speaker 7: want us to move things in terms of concrete action.
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Speaker 7: Trade with the illegal settlements that should be stopped. The
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Speaker 7: movement of Jewel nationals has to be tracked in an
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Speaker 7: area where the ICJ has been and concerns plausible potentially
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Speaker 7: plausible genocide. We've recognized Palestine, which is tremendous. We should
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Speaker 7: recognize the diplomatic ties formally. These are some of the
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Speaker 7: things that I wanted to press and I suspect the
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Speaker 7: support that I was likely to get is one of
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Speaker 7: the reasons the motivators for shutting down shutting down the resolution.
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Speaker 4: Alb and Easy, though apparently has no problem with ad
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Speaker 4: Hughesick's damaging and divisive push at the Labor conference, What
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Speaker 4: about the role.
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Speaker 5: Ed Husick has played at this conference more broadly, not
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Speaker 5: just on this issue.
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Speaker 2: Is he helping or hurting the.
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Speaker 6: Labor And like every other delegate, has a right to
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Speaker 6: come along and to pursue whatever they say is or
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Speaker 6: see is their objective, and that's.
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Speaker 2: Fine by me.
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Speaker 5: You've got no problem with what he's been doing.
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Speaker 6: I've got I have no problem with any delegate to
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Speaker 6: the conference having their say and making their contribution.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 4: Labor figure Nick Dryan Firth rights today that the far
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Speaker 4: left pro Palestinian push is ultimately about overturning support for
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Speaker 4: the existence of Israel. He says powerful wealthy outside groups
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Speaker 4: such as the Australian Palestine Advocacy Network and their fellows
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Speaker 4: inside Labor are never satisfied with incremental change. Every concession
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Speaker 4: on Israel merely becomes the launching pad for the next demand.
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Speaker 4: In seeking to overturn the reality of nineteen forty eight,
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Speaker 4: and both Nick and Mike Kelly emphasize the disproportionate focus
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Speaker 4: on Israel and Gaza, and they write that there are
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Speaker 4: far more deadly conflicts in the world today, such as
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Speaker 4: Russia and Ukraine and Sudan's Civil War, where up to
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Speaker 4: four hundred thousand people have reportedly been killed, but there's
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Speaker 4: no protest, no march over the Harbor Bridinridge about this,
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Speaker 4: and certainly no obsession at Labour's national conference. By contrast,
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Speaker 4: Hamas claims seventy thousand people have been killed in Gaza.
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Speaker 4: That's very likely to be an inflated Harmas figure that
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Speaker 4: will be inaccurate, and where a large number of them
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Speaker 4: are terrorists or combatants. Now, of course all deaths are
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Speaker 4: a tragedy, for you've got to remember this is a
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Speaker 4: war Israel did not choose, and it is a relatively
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Speaker 4: low civilian death toll because Israel goes to great.
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Speaker 3: Lengths to avoid loss of life.
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Speaker 4: But the bottom line is the Albaneze government should be
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Speaker 4: focused on dealing with the hatred and racism and violence
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Speaker 4: that's arisen against Australians because of this horrendous pro Palestinian
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Speaker 4: movement of hate. He should be focused on ensuring a
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Speaker 4: repeat of the Bond Eyed Territory doesn't happen again. That
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Speaker 4: attack was allegedly committed by ISIS supporters, an ideology that
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Speaker 4: shares the same hatred of Jews as her Mus, and
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Speaker 4: yet the explicit condemnation of Hermas has been removed, as
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Speaker 4: I said from the Labor Party platform. This tells you
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Speaker 4: just how disturbed and warped the Albanezy government and the
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Speaker 4: broader labor movement has become. Victorian voters have been waiting
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Speaker 4: with the proverbial baseball bats to punt Jacinta Allen. But
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Speaker 4: it looks like her colleagues got their first, her deputy
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Speaker 4: Ben Carroll announcing today he'll challenge her leadership and this
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Speaker 4: is expected to come to a head tomorrow. If her
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Speaker 4: own deputy and her senior colleagues don't have confidence in
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Speaker 4: her to leave the state, then how can Labor expect.
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Speaker 3: Victorians to vote for her?
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Speaker 1: Now?
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Speaker 4: The way this played out as usual is brutal. It
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Speaker 4: was brutal today. A group of Labor and Peace, including
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Speaker 4: senior ministers from Jacinta Allen's own left.
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Speaker 3: Faction, went to see her this morning to demand she
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Speaker 3: stepped down.
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Speaker 4: She refused, with a source telling the Age newspaper the
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Speaker 4: only person who needs to resign is the premier. Well,
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Speaker 4: this is certainly terminal for Jacinta Allen and it's all
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Speaker 4: benefiting opposition leader Jess Wilson just four months out from
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Speaker 4: polling day for more. Now, I'm joined by the Australians
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Speaker 4: Victoria editor Damien Johnston, Damon, great to see you.
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Speaker 3: Now, what can you tell us? What's the latest tonight?
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Speaker 4: And I are you expecting a leadership spill tomorrow?
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Speaker 8: Well, first, I think it's important to recognize just how
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Speaker 8: epic today has been in Spring Street. The Victorian ALP
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Speaker 8: has been the most successful, ruthless, unified political machine in
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Speaker 8: Australia for twenty five years. They've won six Victorian elections
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Speaker 8: of the last seven. So for them to turn on
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Speaker 8: each other like they did today it was quite extraordinary.
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Speaker 9: And where that's left.
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Speaker 8: The premiere, Well, tonight may well be her last night
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Speaker 8: in office. She's been there for one thousand and thirty
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Speaker 8: four days and whether she'll make one thousand and thirty
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Speaker 8: five is unclear.
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Speaker 9: I suspect it's probably over for her.
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Speaker 8: Supporters insist she's still got the numbers. But we've spoken
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Speaker 8: to enough labor and ps, including ministers on the right
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Speaker 8: and importantly her own socialist left faction, who say the
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Speaker 8: time's come, and she doesn't command the majority of caucus.
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Speaker 9: In fact, she may.
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Speaker 8: Have as few as fifteen votes out of a sixty
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Speaker 8: eight or strong caucus.
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Speaker 4: I mean which would be an extraordinary and very embarrassing
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Speaker 4: result for her. But I mean, damon, ultimately, even suppose
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Speaker 4: she just won the leadership vote either way.
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Speaker 3: That's terminal.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you can't have a situation where the premier
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Speaker 4: has lost the support of even a third of her colleagues.
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Speaker 8: Look, there's one hundred and twenty four days until the election.
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Speaker 8: If Labour's going to win a fourth term, they're going
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Speaker 8: about it in a very odd way. You know, Victoria's
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Speaker 8: been struggling now for a long time. Dan Andrews, through
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Speaker 8: sheer political skill ruthless ability, managed to manage to win
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Speaker 8: three elections, but since he left three years ago, the
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Speaker 8: chickens have come home to roost. Victorians are now focused
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Speaker 8: on the debt, which is approaching two hundred billion. Issues
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Speaker 8: like potholes, which don't seem like the biggest issue in
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Speaker 8: the state, are in fact become a real sort of
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Speaker 8: focus of a broader political problem for the government.
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Speaker 9: The machetes, the youth crime. So you know, the government
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Speaker 9: is really under the pump.
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Speaker 8: And Jacinta Allen, despite being a very experienced politician, being
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Speaker 8: a minister for a long time, has been unable to
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Speaker 8: articulate her own vision for Victoria. And I think this
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Speaker 8: is because she was essentially Dan Andrews's chief operations officer.
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Speaker 8: You know, she was the Minister for not delivering the
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Speaker 8: Commonwealth Games. She was the minister for the unfunded suburban
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Speaker 8: rail loop, she was the minister for the blowing out
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Speaker 8: major transport projects. So for her to have become the
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Speaker 8: premier three years ago, she would have had to have
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Speaker 8: dumped literally her own legacy, to have redefined the government
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Speaker 8: in her own right. She's failed to do that. I
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Speaker 8: don't think she had the courage or the skill. And
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Speaker 8: this is kind of where it's.
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Speaker 9: All got to.
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Speaker 8: The poll's a bad News poll today in the Australian
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Speaker 8: show that Labor is marching to defeat.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's what I wanted to ask you.
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Speaker 4: I mean so ultimately, while Ben Carroll's probably personally ambitious
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Speaker 4: for his colleagues, for the Labor Party bosses to come
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Speaker 4: in behind this push, it must mean that their polling
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Speaker 4: is pretty bad and that Jess Wilson is doing better
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Speaker 4: than anyone acknowledges.
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Speaker 3: Do you think that's right?
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Speaker 8: Today's News poll had Jess Wilson on a two party
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Speaker 8: preferred basis leading fifty two to forty eight. Now, that
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Speaker 8: would probably deliver the Liberal National Coalition of very narrow victory.
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Speaker 8: Remember they have to win sixteen seats, Shari, they are
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Speaker 8: well behind the eight ball on election night. However, what's
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Speaker 8: concerning the labor MPs is more the premier's personal popularity
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Speaker 8: seventy one percent dissatisfaction rating. Now, in the history of newspoll,
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Speaker 8: there's never been a premier with such a low rating,
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Speaker 8: So forty eight fifty two. Some labor MPs believe that's
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Speaker 8: not so bad and it could be winnable under the
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Speaker 8: right leader. Is Ben Carroll the right leader? Time will
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Speaker 8: tell he hasn't exactly had a tough portfolio. It's doing
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Speaker 8: education at the moment, so he's untested. Does he have
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Speaker 8: the skill the communications He's got four months. One labor
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Speaker 8: figure put to me that this was about saving the
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Speaker 8: furniture politics, anything can happen. We saw Scott Morrison win
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Speaker 8: in twenty nineteen, so they're looking for that type of miracle.
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Speaker 4: I believe given Ben Carrol's low profile as well, I mean,
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Speaker 4: this must be a gift to the coalition.
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Speaker 3: And because you know, Jess Wilson was.
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Speaker 4: A relatively late starter, so She's had her work cut
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Speaker 4: out for her, but this will certainly help her. Damon,
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Speaker 4: look forward to reading your appointing in the OS tonight
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Speaker 4: and tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: As always, thank you. Now, the Prime Minister is in.
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Speaker 4: Hot water after attending the home of a Chinese billionaire
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Speaker 4: allegedly in return for a large donation. Now you would
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Speaker 4: have seen this fine now, But when he was asked
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Speaker 4: about this on the ABC, he was far from transparent.
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Speaker 5: Did you attend a dinner at the home of Felix
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Speaker 5: Lee in Point Piper?
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Speaker 2: I attend lots of functions.
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Speaker 6: I attend lots of functions in lots of places, including last.
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Speaker 2: Night right here.
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Speaker 5: What about this dinner in Point Pipe?
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Speaker 2: I attend lots of functions. You want to ask, well,
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Speaker 2: I do.
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Speaker 6: You've just said that that occurred?
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Speaker 2: You know that's fine. I tend lots of dinners in
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Speaker 2: lots of places.
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Speaker 4: This, of course from a prime minister who promised integrity
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Speaker 4: in politics.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 4: His arch rival Tanya Plebisk was on Sunrise this morning
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Speaker 4: having to answer questions about this reported donation.
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Speaker 10: He very clearly said, yeah, it's been reported. I was there.
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Speaker 10: I think the amounts that have been reported are wildly inaccurate.
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Speaker 10: He goes to dinners every night of the week just
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Speaker 10: about I think it's really good that we're increasing transparency.
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Speaker 10: This sort of thing will become apparent within just days.
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Speaker 4: Yeap, Matt Canavan was less than impressed. Well, let's bring
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Speaker 4: in now our Monday panel. I'm joined by News twenty
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Speaker 4: four host Steve Price and former Speaker of the House
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Speaker 4: brom and Bishop Wonderful to see you both again as
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Speaker 4: always in a Monday. Now browin, what do you think
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Speaker 4: the key issues are with this dinner?
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Speaker 11: Well, to say it's a bad looks to underestimate. I
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Speaker 11: think the dammage that can ensue for mister Alban easy.
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Speaker 11: You know, he as a whole advancing team. For him
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Speaker 11: to say he didn't know anything about the owner of
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Speaker 11: the mansion and the two hundred and forty million dollars
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Speaker 11: of unpaid text it was subsequently paid, it just doesn't wash.
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Speaker 11: It was said he was there to get a million
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Speaker 11: dollar donation. Now the LP says, oh no, it was
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Speaker 11: only one hundred thousand dollars. So that's a very quick
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Speaker 11: change of position, isn't it. I just think it really
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Speaker 11: is a scandal and it needs to be properly investigated.
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Speaker 4: Steve also some hypocrisy over this of cost, given the
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Speaker 4: extensive focus by Labor kind of the obsession really with
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Speaker 4: Pauline Hansen's friendship with Gina Reinhardt.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, Anthony Albanezi was a very vocal critic of the
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Speaker 12: fact that Pauline was gifted that aircraft. I mean you
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Speaker 12: have to ask yourself about these sorts of things. Who
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Speaker 12: is running the Prime Minister's office? Who says we're going
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Speaker 12: off to dinner tonight and Albanizi says, where are we going? Oh,
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Speaker 12: we're going to a forty million dollar Harveside mansion in
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Speaker 12: Point Piper Ah. Who owns it? Oh, blow called Felix Lee.
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Speaker 12: He's twenty five. How many twenty five year olds do
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Speaker 12: you know? I own a forty million dollar house on
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Speaker 12: Sydney Harbor. Wouldn't you alarm bells just be ringing, going?
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Speaker 12: You're sure this is such a great idea. I mean,
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Speaker 12: the media will find.
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Speaker 2: Out about it.
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Speaker 12: I mean, it's just And his explanation to David Spears
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Speaker 12: on the ABC on Sunday was absolutely pathetic. He couldn't
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Speaker 12: even bring himself to say, yeah, I was there and
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Speaker 12: you know it's a normal thing I go and do.
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Speaker 12: He just wouldn't even talk about it. It just adds
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Speaker 12: that next layer to what sort of bloke we've got
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Speaker 12: running the country.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's never any transparency from him. He always gives
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Speaker 4: these sort of patronizing comments, you know, critical of the
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Speaker 4: reporter for even asking the question, and Spears did a
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Speaker 4: great job there. Well, I want to talk about property
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Speaker 4: the clearance rates on the weekend. Now, we know the
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Speaker 4: economy is in a really bad place and the property
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Speaker 4: the auction market in Sydney and in Melbourne is a
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Speaker 4: big indicator of just how badly people are doing that
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Speaker 4: they don't feel like they want to buy or sell
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Speaker 4: homes now. One of Sydney's top auctioneers, Tom Powis, we've
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Speaker 4: had him on.
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Speaker 3: The show before. He claimed that this was the worst
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Speaker 3: in his thirty year career. Have a look that I.
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Speaker 13: Was the worst, zero out of six. But that's not
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Speaker 13: the metric that's going to concern you. I'll tell you
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Speaker 13: what the metric that's going to concern you. I didn't
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Speaker 13: have a single person registered to bid.
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Speaker 9: Do you understand?
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Speaker 13: Not one registration?
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Speaker 4: I mean browin we know the property markets just plummeting,
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Speaker 4: but everyone should be very worried about the economy as
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Speaker 4: well well.
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Speaker 11: The property market is integral to the rest of the economy.
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Speaker 11: You can't rip the heart out of it and expect
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Speaker 11: the economy to function properly, and it won't. I mean,
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Speaker 11: Paul Keating found that out himself when you tried this
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Speaker 11: trick of chopping and changing with regard to the capital
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Speaker 11: gains tax when he was a treasurer. You just can't
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Speaker 11: do it. It results in so many job losses that are
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Speaker 11: going to flow from it because so many people are
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Speaker 11: involved in the property market to earn a living. And
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Speaker 11: the intergenerational question becomes very apparent because it means that
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Speaker 11: with the dropping in value of assets, the mum and
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Speaker 11: dads who have been lending to their kids and their
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Speaker 11: grandkids to help them into the property market, that will disappear.
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Speaker 11: The inheritance they're going to get will we get less.
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Speaker 11: And if you look at the intricacies that are involved
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Speaker 11: in that legislation, and the worst of which we're only
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Speaker 11: starting to find out now, the threat to the entire
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Speaker 11: economy is literally at risk. We cannot have this sort
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Speaker 11: of legislation that comes forward with a treasurer and a
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Speaker 11: Prime minister who clearly were not across what was in
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Speaker 11: those in the legislation that was announced in the budget.
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Speaker 11: Because we're finding out just now how really bad it
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Speaker 11: is and we just have to have a strong attack
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Speaker 11: from the opposition and from one nation to make sure
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Speaker 11: that people understand how bad it is.
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Speaker 3: Just very quickly, Steve.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we've been talking about the cost
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Speaker 4: of living crisis for literally two or three years now,
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Speaker 4: but inflation, I mean, it is almost shocking how expensive
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Speaker 4: everyday items have become now.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely Australia is now the most expensive place in the
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Speaker 12: world to buy beer.
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Speaker 1: Can you believe it?
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Speaker 12: I mean, so those sorts of things, everything you buy
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Speaker 12: has gone up. I mean the real estate market. The
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Speaker 12: one thing you could rely on for the last twenty
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Speaker 12: or thirty years in this country is if you'd managed
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Speaker 12: to buy yourself a house, that it would probably go up,
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Speaker 12: you know, five six seven percent every year, year on year,
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Speaker 12: which was made people feel very comfortable, and as Bromwin
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Speaker 12: just said, it meant that you ultimately were going to
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Speaker 12: be able to lend money to your children or to
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Speaker 12: pass that property on. Crashing the suit the real estate market,
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Speaker 12: crashing the housing market might be the biggest mistake this
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Speaker 12: government's made in a long time, and it's going to
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Speaker 12: come back to hurt them big time.
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Speaker 4: Just quickly, before we go, I want to turn to
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Speaker 4: the Iran war. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Natiyahoo is set
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Speaker 4: to visit President Trump. They've got a meeting in the
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Speaker 4: White House Tuesday, US time. Meanwhile, Trump's ambassador to the
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Speaker 4: when Mike Wells says the US is locked and loaded,
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Speaker 4: have a look.
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Speaker 8: There should be no doubt that the military has what
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Speaker 8: its need and is moving even more assets into the region.
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Speaker 3: Brumwin, We don't have much time.
23:09
Speaker 4: But is nadagna who right when he calls for regime
23:12
Speaker 4: change in Tehran?
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Speaker 11: Well, I think the combination of regime change and the
23:19
Speaker 11: point that President Trump has made all along about the
23:23
Speaker 11: need to kill off a nuclear capability in Iran are
23:28
Speaker 11: the two most important factors. I don't want to see
23:31
Speaker 11: a falling out between Israel and the United States, and
23:34
Speaker 11: I find the fact that there is still a definite
23:38
Speaker 11: determination on behalf of the United States to ensure that
23:42
Speaker 11: that nuclear capacity does not ensure perhaps can be the
23:47
Speaker 11: way ahead to bring the two back together on a
23:50
Speaker 11: common course.
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Speaker 4: Steve final comment, Are you excited to hopefully see the
23:55
Speaker 4: back of just Into Alan tomorrow?
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Speaker 12: I'm so excited. I'll I'll be getting up very early
24:01
Speaker 12: in the morning to make sure it happens.
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Speaker 3: Surely she can't it happens. What can you do?
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Speaker 12: Well, well, I can sit there and pray in front
24:10
Speaker 12: of News twenty wonderful station. I'm just going to pray
24:14
Speaker 12: all morning. I mean, she's been in Parliament since she
24:16
Speaker 12: was twenty six years old. She's going to walk out
24:19
Speaker 12: when she leaves with a pension for life of four
24:22
Speaker 12: hundred thousand dollars. Good riddance to her, all right.
24:25
Speaker 3: Steve, Frice Broman Bishop, great to see you. Well.
24:29
Speaker 4: Now let's turn to some fresh information about the woman
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Speaker 4: who allegedly called Jewish leader Alex Rivchin an evil Zionist
24:37
Speaker 4: when he was at the site of the Bondai massacre
24:39
Speaker 4: with survivor Evans Latcus last week. The woman has been
24:44
Speaker 4: identified as Francine Cloth and she's a new South Wales
24:48
Speaker 4: public servant who, in a twist, was out on bail
24:52
Speaker 4: at the time of the alleged incident after being accused
24:56
Speaker 4: of a bomb hoax at a Bondi synagogue. Had been
25:00
Speaker 4: stood down from the State Justice Department after she allegedly
25:04
Speaker 4: left a shopping bag outside a synagogue last year, falsely
25:08
Speaker 4: claiming it contained bombs. We here's what alex ann Evan
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Speaker 4: have said about how her alleged comments affected them to.
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Speaker 14: Have this happen here on hallowed Ground, the side of
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Speaker 14: a massacre, just six months afterwards.
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Speaker 12: I think it's appalling and it shows really how little
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Speaker 12: has changed since the massacre.
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Speaker 2: It's last thing that I thought would happen.
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Speaker 15: I thought it would never happen that I'd returned to
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Speaker 15: that park seven months later after having a bullet in
25:33
Speaker 15: my back and having surgery.
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Speaker 4: We can now reveal that three journalists were present and
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Speaker 4: are understood to have witnessed the altercation, one of them
25:43
Speaker 4: from Channel ten, one from the Daily Telegraph, and a
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Speaker 4: veteran photographer. They were there for an unrelated reason and
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Speaker 4: police are expected to speak with them. We could also
25:52
Speaker 4: reveal that Francine's alleged comments aren't out of character. It
25:57
Speaker 4: seems the sixty seven year old has a long history
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Speaker 4: of anti Zionism metric, having in twenty twenty three posted
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Speaker 4: Zionists are criminals. How can anyone sit in silence, and again,
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Speaker 4: Zionist Jews are criminals and Zionism is a scourg It
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Speaker 4: is not Judaism, and it does not lead to enhancing the.
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Speaker 3: State of the world.
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Speaker 4: She posts a dozens and dozens of times about the
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Speaker 4: Israel Hamas War, including calling Jewish groups corrupt and a
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Speaker 4: boys club, and saying that they have the US by
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Speaker 4: the proverbial. Now, she denies both of those incidents and
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Speaker 4: did not respond when I contacted her for comment today. Well,
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Speaker 4: let's bring in our liberal MP, Julian Lisa. I mean, Julian,
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Speaker 4: good to see you. Look, this is an example, isn't
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Speaker 4: it of how Jews ultimately end up being the target
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Speaker 4: for those who don't like Zionists.
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Speaker 16: Well, that's exactly right, Cherry. I mean, hasn't Alex Rifchin
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Speaker 16: and Evan Slatkus been through enough? Why should any Jew
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Speaker 16: anywhere on the streets of Australia be targeted. There are
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Speaker 16: people who want to make a distinction between criticism of
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Speaker 16: Israel and saying, oh, look, I don't have a problem
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Speaker 16: with Jews, it's the Zionists that I don't like. But
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Speaker 16: at the end of the day, what starts with the
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Speaker 16: Zionists ends with the Jews, and as we know, eighty
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Speaker 16: percent of Australian Jews are Zionists, and I just think
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Speaker 16: this is appalling conduct. I think particularly people who work
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Speaker 16: in the public service should have a high standard of conduct.
27:35
Speaker 16: They are earning taxpayer dollars and we want to ensure
27:38
Speaker 16: that people are who are there representing us in an
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Speaker 16: impartial fashion in the public service are genuinely impartial and
27:46
Speaker 16: don't have prejudices against them groups of people, be there
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Speaker 16: Jews or Muslims, or Christians or Hindus or Buddhists or
27:52
Speaker 16: any Australian.
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Speaker 9: That's just not on and all of this.
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Speaker 4: Of course, while the Royal Commission is underway, and Julian,
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Speaker 4: you fronted the Commission, you spoke about your son's reaction
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Speaker 4: to the Bondai massacre.
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Speaker 17: Yes, he cried unconsolably, the sort of cry that you
28:08
Speaker 17: see where child is in deep pain. And he sat
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Speaker 17: with his legs crossed, saying, Dad, are we going.
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Speaker 16: To be safe?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: It's had a very real impact, Julian.
28:20
Speaker 16: They had a huge impact on me and on our family.
28:25
Speaker 16: What sort of country are we when you can't take
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Speaker 16: your child to an event like a communal gathering or
28:33
Speaker 16: a synagogue without them feeling safe. I mean, my son
28:37
Speaker 16: is proud of his Judaism. He loves the Foot and
28:40
Speaker 16: eight prayers that we do in our home. He likes
28:42
Speaker 16: to share his faith traditions with his friends. But when
28:47
Speaker 16: we go to synagogues, when we go to communal events,
28:51
Speaker 16: now his little hand grips my hand tight and he
28:54
Speaker 16: asks me the question repeatedly, Dad, will we be safe?
28:57
Speaker 16: How can you guarantee that we will be safe? So
29:00
Speaker 16: the truth is what I say to him will be
29:03
Speaker 16: all right. But the truth is I can't guarantee it,
29:06
Speaker 16: and no Australian you can these days, and that's a
29:09
Speaker 16: terrible thing. No child, whatever their faith, should feel any
29:13
Speaker 16: sorts of intimidation of going into a house of worship.
29:16
Speaker 16: That's not the country we want to live in. That's
29:18
Speaker 16: not the country I.
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Speaker 1: Grew up in.
29:20
Speaker 16: So that's why it's so important we fight this anti
29:22
Speaker 16: semitism's taken off in our country.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, and yet none of these issues formed send
29:28
Speaker 4: a stage of the Labor Party conference very quickly, Julian,
29:32
Speaker 4: will you disappointed in the dumping of of the resolution
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Speaker 4: that says mus should disarm and the PA should reform.
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Speaker 16: This isn't it extraordinary that we've got a government in
29:44
Speaker 16: power and the party of that government can't seem to
29:49
Speaker 16: with moral clarity say that HAMAS is a terrorist organization
29:53
Speaker 16: that should disarm and should play no further part in
29:57
Speaker 16: the government of a Palestinian state. I thought that was
30:00
Speaker 16: a given for a long time in Australia, but it
30:03
Speaker 16: seems that Labor yet again has changed its policy. So
30:06
Speaker 16: the Prime Minister has to answer the question simply, does
30:09
Speaker 16: he believe that HAMAS should disarm? Does he believe that
30:14
Speaker 16: HAMAS should play any part in a future Palestinian state?
30:17
Speaker 4: Yeah, indeed, Julian Lisa well said, and thanks for your time.
30:22
Speaker 4: After the break, Kyle Sandalans his remarks about Jackie O
30:26
Speaker 4: and their split, and Ray Hardley will explain why he
30:30
Speaker 4: was mentioned and the secret tapes played at the Corruption
30:33
Speaker 4: Watchdog today.
30:35
Speaker 3: That's next.
30:39
Speaker 4: Welcome back, We'll Former radio host Kyle Sundalans has spoken
30:43
Speaker 4: about his acrimonious bust up with Jackie O. Here's what
30:47
Speaker 4: he told the Sunday Telegraphs Lisa.
30:49
Speaker 2: Mayo, I don't think I do miss her. I don't
30:52
Speaker 2: miss her.
30:52
Speaker 1: If I saw her, I would embrace her immediately. It
30:55
Speaker 1: feels like a death.
30:56
Speaker 18: A death, yeah, because it feels like if a divorced
30:59
Speaker 18: she can still argue.
31:01
Speaker 4: And he also claimed that despite a court case against
31:03
Speaker 4: his former employer ARN stemming from bullying accusations, the pair
31:08
Speaker 4: had captain contact with private text messages.
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Speaker 1: Were both texting each other when we're both in court.
31:15
Speaker 2: Still.
31:16
Speaker 1: We were both like, oh, we're not first to text.
31:17
Speaker 3: I'm not telling my.
31:18
Speaker 18: Lawyer and they're like, I'm not telling my lawyer either
31:20
Speaker 18: about caring for each other, but not going in any detail.
31:23
Speaker 4: And I'm joyed now by radio legend Ray Hardley Ray,
31:27
Speaker 4: what did you think of the interview?
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Speaker 18: Well, it means that Kyle can still attract an audience
31:32
Speaker 18: because I think they're Telly ended up running it out
31:34
Speaker 18: of three or four days, and it was quite you know,
31:37
Speaker 18: normally they sort of in the years go four or
31:39
Speaker 18: five minutes online.
31:40
Speaker 1: I think it was forty minutes.
31:41
Speaker 18: And also it was quite extensive and he touched on
31:43
Speaker 18: a lot of things that hadn't been mentioned before. Russell
31:46
Speaker 18: Craig got to mention about trying to keep them together
31:50
Speaker 18: and saying in the early stages, don't do this. But
31:53
Speaker 18: I can't say that I'm a dear friend of Kyle's.
31:56
Speaker 18: I have been in contact with him at bearing stages.
31:59
Speaker 18: He paid a few pranks on me during his career
32:02
Speaker 18: and then got me a couple of times.
32:04
Speaker 1: Very funny.
32:04
Speaker 18: Actually, he got one of my daughters to come on
32:08
Speaker 18: the radio I didn't know and tell me that she'd
32:10
Speaker 18: been booked by a police officer. But she asked him
32:12
Speaker 18: out for a date, and she wouldn't be getting into trouble.
32:15
Speaker 18: And I'm blowing up like any father would, and it's
32:18
Speaker 18: going he's a blake. And he's been always very respectful
32:22
Speaker 18: of me. I mean, a lot of people haven't been
32:24
Speaker 18: in the media, but he's been respectful of me.
32:27
Speaker 4: And it's interesting that now he's setting up his own
32:30
Speaker 4: show a similar in a way to Kyle Stefanovic. But
32:32
Speaker 4: he criticized Carl's show. He said, oh, that's going to
32:35
Speaker 4: be a far right show. I don't see how that works.
32:38
Speaker 4: The guests he was mentioning sound very similar to the
32:41
Speaker 4: ones Karl has had.
32:42
Speaker 18: I think if he takes the blueprint that Carl, as
32:44
Speaker 18: opposed to Kyle takes. When they do, people like Anthony
32:50
Speaker 18: Albert Easy or someone from the left say no one
32:53
Speaker 18: watches it.
32:54
Speaker 1: The only time.
32:55
Speaker 18: People watch carl is when he does people like Tommy
32:58
Speaker 18: Robinson or Pauline Hansen, people from the right, I mean,
33:01
Speaker 18: And so that'll be a lesson because I guess what
33:04
Speaker 18: they're saying is because there's no control from AKMA, the
33:07
Speaker 18: Australian Communications Media Authority, they can do what they like
33:09
Speaker 18: and say what they like.
33:10
Speaker 3: And that's just a quick side note.
33:12
Speaker 4: But that's obviously the issue in the US, where people
33:14
Speaker 4: like Tucker Carlson go further and further to the extreme
33:17
Speaker 4: because it gets more traffic, makes them more money.
33:19
Speaker 3: That's kind of interesting.
33:20
Speaker 18: But you've got to remember everyone's talking about podcasting. We've
33:22
Speaker 18: got twenty six million here, they got three hundred and
33:25
Speaker 18: fifty million over there. And I was talking to someone
33:28
Speaker 18: that's well versed in all of this. There's a very
33:30
Speaker 18: small percentage of people in the world make a lot
33:33
Speaker 18: of money out of podcasting. The vast majority of people
33:36
Speaker 18: don't make a lot of money out of it, and
33:37
Speaker 18: particularly if you're based in this part of the world
33:39
Speaker 18: where there's not a great population base.
33:40
Speaker 4: I did think it was a bit unfair how Kyle
33:44
Speaker 4: had to crack at ben Fordham for being a phony friend.
33:47
Speaker 4: I mean, I've heard Ben on the radios only really
33:50
Speaker 4: saying nice things about Kyle Well.
33:53
Speaker 18: I think it stems from some comments he made about
33:55
Speaker 18: the salary here is being paid by aarn being unsustainable.
33:59
Speaker 18: But look, I worked with Ben for twenty years. I
34:01
Speaker 18: think Benny just be happy to be mentioned.
34:03
Speaker 3: Was he a phony friend to you?
34:04
Speaker 1: Ray Matt Well?
34:05
Speaker 18: We had our moments in the early part of his
34:07
Speaker 18: career when he was doing drive and I was doing mornings, and.
34:10
Speaker 1: We had a few set toos.
34:12
Speaker 18: But more recently, prior to my retirement in twenty twenty four,
34:15
Speaker 18: he became a little more circumspect and respectful to my
34:19
Speaker 18: standing in the station.
34:20
Speaker 1: And now he wasn't a phony friend.
34:22
Speaker 18: He'll probably ring me on my way home from this
34:24
Speaker 18: program to check on my welfare.
34:27
Speaker 4: Ray, you got a few mentions in the Ikap corruption
34:30
Speaker 4: hearings today. You were in these secret tapes that were played.
34:34
Speaker 4: So it was where nasif you know the John Siphi exactly,
34:38
Speaker 4: the controversial property developer, was basically saying that you were
34:41
Speaker 4: trying to thwart him. You were troublesome and you and
34:45
Speaker 4: the building commissioner were conspiring to destroy him.
34:49
Speaker 18: He's an inveterate liar, so even when he's talking to
34:52
Speaker 18: someone on the phone, and he was talking to Dominic
34:54
Speaker 18: Perete's brother of all people, who's also I guess being
34:59
Speaker 18: focused on along with another brother. But he said some
35:02
Speaker 18: things apart from bagging me, which is water of for
35:04
Speaker 18: ducks back as well because he sued me for defamation
35:07
Speaker 18: and lost. Mind you, nine Entertainment at front of the bill.
35:11
Speaker 18: Were left with the bill of one point five million dollars.
35:14
Speaker 18: He's in Lebanon hiding. He'll never pay that, but you've
35:17
Speaker 18: got to be careful about him basting. He said that
35:20
Speaker 18: his girl was now the Minister for Fair Trading, Elenie Petnos.
35:23
Speaker 18: Now she's not accused of doing anything wrong. And if
35:26
Speaker 18: I mean, if he told me see if it was
35:27
Speaker 18: raining outside, I don't have to go and check. He
35:30
Speaker 18: also said, my boy's now the premier, and I think
35:32
Speaker 18: that'll be the headline and the telegraph to murrow. My
35:35
Speaker 18: boy the premier is Dominic Perret and he was talking
35:38
Speaker 18: to Dominique Perrete's brother at the time. I think there
35:42
Speaker 18: will be a lot of people have been named on
35:44
Speaker 18: the periphery of the Liberal Party, you know, power breakers
35:47
Speaker 18: and people who were raising funds and people who were lobbyists.
35:51
Speaker 18: But I think they'd be in Macquarie Street, some very
35:54
Speaker 18: nervous Liberal politicians because on the first day of the
35:58
Speaker 18: inquiry today it was explosive the Commissioner has played these tapes.
36:01
Speaker 18: All of a sudden, you've got a former premier being
36:04
Speaker 18: called my boy, former fair trading minister but my girl.
36:07
Speaker 18: And so I think in the coming weeks it's destined
36:10
Speaker 18: to go eight weeks. And I've said previously Charry, this
36:13
Speaker 18: will be the most important ICAQ inquiry in the history
36:16
Speaker 18: of New South Wales, simply because it goes to the
36:20
Speaker 18: very basis of how we operate democracy. And if it's
36:24
Speaker 18: shown that there has been thwarting of the democratic process
36:28
Speaker 18: through false Liberal Party membership and money being paid, this
36:33
Speaker 18: is all an accusation of the moment.
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Speaker 1: It's not sustained.
36:35
Speaker 18: But the one thing I'd say to the people who
36:37
Speaker 18: are appearing before the Ikak Inquiry, I've been watching them
36:40
Speaker 18: for quite some time. Don't tell lies because when they
36:43
Speaker 18: ask a question, they know the answer.
36:45
Speaker 3: They've often got the secret recording.
36:47
Speaker 4: It's amazing that the powers of the Eyekak they can
36:50
Speaker 4: tap into your computer. They I mean, you can have
36:52
Speaker 4: your computer open and they're recording through the camera. It's unbelievable,
36:57
Speaker 4: and you forget often that there are agencies that have
37:00
Speaker 4: that sort of power.
37:01
Speaker 3: You think that is kind of just where.
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Speaker 18: They didn't take any of my conversations about john sif
37:05
Speaker 18: for you don't know that because I wasn't a very
37:07
Speaker 18: complimenting I hope they play them if they did take them,
37:09
Speaker 18: because I was very uncomplimentary about the thieving blood.
37:11
Speaker 3: I've always got to be careful what you say on
37:13
Speaker 3: the phone.
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Speaker 1: I'll keep that in mind next time I.
37:16
Speaker 4: Talk to you, Ray, I want to ask you about
37:20
Speaker 4: Albanize's dinner at the Billionaire's house, but also his response
37:24
Speaker 4: to questions about it.
37:25
Speaker 1: When you were talking to beautiful Bromwin. I love Bromwen,
37:29
Speaker 1: you know that.
37:30
Speaker 18: And Pricey, who I love but for different reasons I
37:34
Speaker 18: couldn't believe. And David Spears is an outstanding journalist. He
37:38
Speaker 18: asked a simple question, I mean, you can't dead bat
37:41
Speaker 18: A simple question. Did you go to the in the
37:44
Speaker 18: Eastern suburbs in a mansion worth tens of millions of
37:47
Speaker 18: dollars with the son of a blake who allegedly had
37:50
Speaker 18: to do a deal with the atl about owing over
37:52
Speaker 18: two hundred million.
37:53
Speaker 1: Dollars in tax. Did you go?
37:55
Speaker 18: I go to a lot of dinners. I mean, just
37:58
Speaker 18: answer the question, Yes, I went. Should I have gone?
38:02
Speaker 18: Probably not? My diaries organized by other people and only
38:05
Speaker 18: found out I was at this place where there was
38:07
Speaker 18: some suspicion of attax wrought that was never proven.
38:11
Speaker 1: And I probably shouldn't have been there.
38:12
Speaker 18: I mean, it's but now there's going to be an
38:14
Speaker 18: you know, the Liberal Party will make hay while the
38:17
Speaker 18: sunshine's on this one, or they should if.
38:19
Speaker 3: They can, if they're capable enough to do.
38:21
Speaker 1: It's not good that Angus Taylor's finally listening to us.
38:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he one.
38:26
Speaker 4: Nation, Yes, happy to do a deal with Pauline unblocking
38:29
Speaker 4: the return of the ISIS fighters.
38:30
Speaker 18: Well, I mean, thank goodness. So instead of treating Pauline
38:35
Speaker 18: in One Nation as a pariah, all of a sudden,
38:38
Speaker 18: they found common ground so they could exist in coalition
38:42
Speaker 18: on the issues like this, where they would combine to say,
38:44
Speaker 18: these men, not women who went there and fought and
38:48
Speaker 18: killed innocent people shouldn't be repatriated here. And of course
38:52
Speaker 18: Tony Burke and the Prime Minister saying as they always say, oh,
38:55
Speaker 18: there's nothing we can do about it. Pings might fly,
38:58
Speaker 18: There's plenty they can do about it, but they don't wish.
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Speaker 3: To absolutely one.
39:01
Speaker 4: Well said as always, Ray, love having you. We'll see
39:03
Speaker 4: you next week.
39:04
Speaker 1: Okay when you ring me, remember we could be being.
39:07
Speaker 4: We We'll keep that in mind, all right. Coming out,
39:11
Speaker 4: Donald Trump under fire for what he said about a
39:13
Speaker 4: female CNN host. I'll show you the comments, and former
39:18
Speaker 4: Labor Minister Mike Kelly joins us for an exclusive interview
39:21
Speaker 4: about the dangerous line on her muss at the Labor
39:24
Speaker 4: conference that's.
39:24
Speaker 3: After the break.
39:29
Speaker 1: Well.
39:29
Speaker 4: As we spoke about earlier in the show, the Labour
39:32
Speaker 4: Party's new policy platform has removed the explicit policy stance
39:36
Speaker 4: on her MUSS, asking for them to disarm and for
39:39
Speaker 4: the Palestinian Authority to reform. And as I said, this
39:43
Speaker 4: is a very dangerous precedent to set, especially in the
39:46
Speaker 4: wake of Bondai. We're joining me now is former Labor
39:49
Speaker 4: Minister and co convenor of Labour Friends of Israel, Mike Kelly.
39:53
Speaker 3: Mike, great to see you again.
39:55
Speaker 15: Well good eving Sherry.
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Speaker 4: Firstly, do you think there is an unhealthy with Israel
40:02
Speaker 4: at the Labor Conference.
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Speaker 2: There's no question about it.
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Speaker 15: You know, You've got this section of the platform that
40:08
Speaker 15: deals with foreign affairs, and there is only one conflict
40:13
Speaker 15: that's actually mentioned in that entire document, And with everything
40:17
Speaker 15: that's going on in the world, the war in Ukraine,
40:20
Speaker 15: the slaughter in Syria and Sudan, et cetera, and there's
40:25
Speaker 15: been this relentless focus on this conflict, but also a
40:29
Speaker 15: very one sided reflection of it in that it doesn't
40:32
Speaker 15: seem to be any opposition that has agency in this fight,
40:36
Speaker 15: which is obscene when you think about the fact that
40:38
Speaker 15: it was actually Hamas that initiated the war in the
40:41
Speaker 15: first place by its invasion of southern Israel on the
40:44
Speaker 15: seventh of October by two brigade sized force and the
40:48
Speaker 15: slaughter and mayhem that it caused during that time. So
40:51
Speaker 15: it's just mystifying why this obsession is here, But really
40:56
Speaker 15: you can unpack that by understanding what's behind it.
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Speaker 4: When I first spoke to you off air on Thursday,
41:05
Speaker 4: you were still involved in involved in negotiations ahead of
41:08
Speaker 4: the conference. I think you were worried this could have
41:11
Speaker 4: ended up in an even worse position than it did,
41:15
Speaker 4: but Ultimately, Labor did drop this line that Hamash should disarm.
41:19
Speaker 4: So why did the Prime Minister accept this?
41:27
Speaker 15: This is really disturbing Shari. I mean, the issue here
41:31
Speaker 15: is if you've got a simple line in that document
41:34
Speaker 15: which refers to the need for Hamas to be excluded
41:38
Speaker 15: from Palistine government and to be forced to lay down
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Speaker 15: its arms. This is something that's at the center of
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Speaker 15: the cease for the center of the Peace Board's two
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Speaker 15: state solution plan, and it's what Palestinians want. You know,
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Speaker 15: we've already had a situation where Hamas is now looking
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Speaker 15: like it's going to accede to handing over administration. And
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Speaker 15: certainly the people of Gaza been tortured and slaughtered by
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Speaker 15: them as well as Israelis, and we've seen the video
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Speaker 15: imagery of dragging people out in the streets and shooting
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Speaker 15: him in the head. And so anybody who thinks that
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Speaker 15: it's a good thing to do to remove that statement,
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Speaker 15: which is clear government policy. So you've got whoever's organizing
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Speaker 15: this at the conference telling the government, you know, you
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Speaker 15: don't even support the government's policy. And the signal that
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Speaker 15: it sends is, oh, you embraced the possibility of Hamas
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Speaker 15: being included in future dealings and as part of that state. Well,
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Speaker 15: if that was your position, you would be really ringing
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Speaker 15: the death knell for the peace process.
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Speaker 3: I mean.
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Speaker 4: The other part of that line was that the Palestinian
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Speaker 4: authority should reform. I mean, we remember Albanizi got up
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Speaker 4: and said this was necessary when he recognized a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't a condition because he was already
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Speaker 4: recognizing the Palestinian state, but he did say that was necessary.
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Speaker 4: And yet now it's been removed from the platform.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 15: Look, I mean, and I guess on the positive side here,
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Speaker 15: the government has confirmed its policy that it will certainly
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Speaker 15: not advocate for hamas being part of government and encourages
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Speaker 15: the disarming of hamas. There's also another initiative that's in
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Speaker 15: foot here, which is a partnership with Indonesia to reform
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Speaker 15: the Palestinian education system to eradicate the anti Semitic and
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Speaker 15: terrorist fomenting content of that education system.
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Speaker 2: So that's the good news.
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Speaker 15: But the bad news is that there's these elements that
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Speaker 15: are rising within the labor movement that have this unholy
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Speaker 15: alliance between extreme revolutionary Marxists and Islamist extremists that are
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Speaker 15: trying to pervert the party, and their goal is not
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Speaker 15: a two state solution which is aligned with Hamas, because
43:51
Speaker 15: Hamas doesn't support a two state solution. Their covenant makes
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Speaker 15: it very clear they want an Islamic caliphate and they
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Speaker 15: don't accept a pal and state. Even so, you know,
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Speaker 15: anybody who supports their own government's policy on a two
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Speaker 15: state solution and progressing the peace process as it is.
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Speaker 2: Would be you know, absolutely.
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Speaker 4: Just clarify your comments there. So you're saying this socialist
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Speaker 4: Marxist combined with the Islamis support as ultimately combining to
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Speaker 4: you know, the endgame might be withdrawing support for Israel's existence.
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Speaker 15: Absolutely, that's their goal. So and this is no secret
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Speaker 15: or surprise. Effectively, if you read a book by a
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Speaker 15: wonderful French investigative journalist, Nora Bassini called lenuveou anti Semite,
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Speaker 15: she actually tells the entire story of how internationally this
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Speaker 15: is working, particularly to infiltrate and undermine the progressive sectors
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Speaker 15: of our Western societies. And she's spent a year underground
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Speaker 15: really teasing all this out and how they're using these
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Speaker 15: influences to poison the minds of the French Young it's
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Speaker 15: the same story playing out in the rest of Europe,
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Speaker 15: in North America and in Australia. And certainly, you know,
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Speaker 15: her brilliant work, tremendous courage, you know, to do that.
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Speaker 15: She's now under constant death threats as a result of it.
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Speaker 3: All right, Mike Kelly, really appreciate your time.
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Speaker 4: And it's just extraordinary how much labor has changed over
45:22
Speaker 4: such a short period of time. Thank you, all right,
45:26
Speaker 4: Still to come. Elon Musk says Ai will overtake human
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Speaker 4: intelligence in five years and money will be meaningless. Plus
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Speaker 4: Trump's threat to run for president for a third time,
45:37
Speaker 4: is he joking?
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Speaker 3: It's after the break.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back with the annual White House Correspondence dinner went
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Speaker 4: ahead for the second time over the weekend, but President
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Speaker 4: Donald Trump's speech caused some controversy, in particular this line,
45:54
Speaker 4: where he triggered a wave of speculation over whether he'll
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Speaker 4: run again in twenty twenty eight.
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Speaker 1: I want three times now.
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna do it again. Thank you, I'm gonna do it.
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Speaker 18: It should be I've getten very good at running for president.
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Speaker 4: And He's been criticized for his comments about a CNN host.
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Speaker 18: I want to personally congratulate CNN's Kaitlyn Callens on receiving
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Speaker 18: her award.
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Speaker 1: It's all about me. It's a fake.
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Speaker 9: She shouldn't get the award.
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Speaker 1: It was a fake, but I didn't mind.
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Speaker 8: I said, Kaitlyn, congratulations and with.
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Speaker 4: Me to discuss his News twenty four contributor Kosha Gada Kosher.
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Speaker 4: I mean, Trump even had a crack at his own
46:43
Speaker 4: speech writer reportedly.
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Speaker 3: That is Trump doing Trump.
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Speaker 14: And of course this is the encore, the redo of
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Speaker 14: the event that was cut short back in April because
46:56
Speaker 14: of the shooter now infamously, and he jabbed that actually
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Speaker 14: he was going to go even harder in the jokes
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Speaker 14: in the original version, but because of what happened, he
47:04
Speaker 14: softened it a little bit. So we will never know
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Speaker 14: what those jokes were. But this is classic Trump. We
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Speaker 14: know he's always had a very adversarial relationship with the media.
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Speaker 14: That's part of his bread and butter. Final he singled
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Speaker 14: out Kaitlin Collins, but he would also just do it
47:16
Speaker 14: writ large across all of them. And I think joking
47:19
Speaker 14: about running again for a third time is one of
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Speaker 14: his favorite things to do to troll the world and
47:23
Speaker 14: the media. And he did not miss that chance here.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and security was said to be obviously heightened. It
47:30
Speaker 4: was a more intimate affair because of the attempted assassination
47:33
Speaker 4: the first time.
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Speaker 14: Yes, And I think that's something that has been a
47:39
Speaker 14: running story with all of these attempted assassinations. Why the
47:43
Speaker 14: security seems to have these holes or gaps, and reconnaissance
47:46
Speaker 14: isn't done properly and screenings aren't done properly. So I
47:48
Speaker 14: think if something else had happened again, just the reputational
47:51
Speaker 14: damage on top of obviously the other damage just would
47:53
Speaker 14: have been too much. And it's a good thing that
47:56
Speaker 14: they're tightening up their affairs because people are really scratching
47:58
Speaker 14: their heads. So why this keeps happen?
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Speaker 4: I just want to turn to this interview that Elon
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Speaker 4: Musk gave, which is fascinating. I mean, he spoke about
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Speaker 4: AI making money meaningless and also AI overtaking human intelligence
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Speaker 4: in just five years.
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Speaker 3: He's a little snapshot.
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Speaker 12: AI may exceed the sum of human intelligence. The most
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Speaker 12: likely outcome is an age of amazing abundance.
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's terrifying that in just five years time,
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Speaker 4: according to Elon Musk, AI could exceed human intelligence.
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Speaker 14: It really is, and he's been using this phrase age
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Speaker 14: of amazing abundance, where production and productivity is going to
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Speaker 14: basically be infinite, and all sorts of goods and services
48:45
Speaker 14: are just going to be available at really full capacity
48:49
Speaker 14: or beyond capacity, and therefore the price of goods will
48:51
Speaker 14: be down to almost zero. But on the flip side
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Speaker 14: of that, he does say that that's going to have
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Speaker 14: some kinds of consequences that we can't even comprehend about
48:58
Speaker 14: humanity and just taking over all the things that makes
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Speaker 14: as human creativity, innovation, and everything else if you have
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Speaker 14: so many people out of work and the rest of it.
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Speaker 14: And he of course did sign that letter in twenty
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Speaker 14: twenty three now infamously that many smart people Steve Wozniak,
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Speaker 14: co founder of Apple and others signed really cautioning against
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Speaker 14: this and that the guardrails aren't sufficient. But the reality is,
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Speaker 14: I don't think there's any government framework or legal framework
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Speaker 14: that can really do anything about it. Maybe nibbling around
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Speaker 14: the edges, but the pace of innovation is so far
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Speaker 14: ahead of everybody, and it's going to be really fascinating
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Speaker 14: to see what happens, for better or for worse. I
49:32
Speaker 14: think good, bad and ugly. In the next five years,
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Speaker 14: the landscape is going to fundamentally change.
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Speaker 4: Look, I agree with you, and it's why it's laughable
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Speaker 4: when you hear the Prime Minister here talk about putting
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Speaker 4: guidelines or laws around AI. I mean, what can Albanezy
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Speaker 4: possibly do WHENII is moving ahead at such a rate.
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Speaker 3: We barely understand where it's going. And as Alon says.
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Speaker 4: It's going to reshape jobs, reshape commerce, reshape money. You know,
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Speaker 4: in the next generation might not even have regular jobs.
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Speaker 4: We just don't know what that's going to look like.
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Speaker 4: It's going to be so extraordinary. Koshagada, great to see
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Speaker 4: you as always. Thank you so much and thanks for
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Speaker 4: joining us on the first night of News twenty four.
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Speaker 4: I'll see you tomorrow at eight. And here's Paul Murray