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  The thing isn't though. Now you say that I can't see it.
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  You're absolutely right. There were time to let's let's.
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  Talk about that first. Because I was going to go in a
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  totally. Different direction.
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  You can make as much money as you need and work your way
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  towards any ship in the game. They they were trying to cash in
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  off of that nostalgia and that height.
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  Oh yeah, look at that. Look how smooth that was.
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  So very smooth. That transition could say with a
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  little bit of practice getting pretty good at this.
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  Practice makes perfect. Practice makes perfect and today
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  I have a a very perfect special guest with me.
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  You'll be listening and Tav's going to be out for the next few
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  weeks. He's well.
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  I can't say he's doing some good things.
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  So while he's out, we're going to have some guest hosts.
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  Some guest hosts like today Duke, later the second.
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  Welcome to Open Comms Radio, Duke.
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  Thank you. Thank you.
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  Glad to be here. It's an honor.
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  I thank you for pronouncing my name properly.
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  What do? What do other people say?
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  Duke lay tall. They just kind of drag out those
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  uppercase ties into a couple of LS, you know?
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  They don't know Roman numerals. It's, it's tough, you know, not
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  everyone covers that. Maybe they're not from that part
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  of the world, you know, Maybe they don't get Roman history.
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  That's true. Right.
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  Maybe they get Korean history. Right.
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  I don't know the Korean numerals if there are different ones.
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  I know Japan invaded. I mean, yeah, everyone knows
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  that there was that movie. There was that movie for a long,
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  long time. I wouldn't be able to say this,
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  but I think I may know more about Star Citizen history by
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  playing Star Citizen that I might know about other countries
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  histories. I think that's probably, that's
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  probably true of a lot of gamers who play Star Citizen or any
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  other game. That's true.
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  Well, now we finally have something.
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  We have something like narratively.
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  True. Yeah, we're getting some in game
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  lore. Piggyback in piggyback in piggy
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  piggyback in piggyback in off of the the resource drive which you
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  could help me finish. I just I have to say this during
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  this episode, cigi don't know. I don't know what you did but
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  you really hated me. You hated me so hard this patch
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  I would I was had one more mission left and twice I tried
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  to do it. Both times I take a large cargo
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  and I land on by genie point and I I go to take the cargo out and
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  my hanger disappears just like that.
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  And. Then I go back in my my ship is
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  still there and all the cargo still in the ship and you can't
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  move it off the ship. Now, when you were getting those
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  that cargo, were the elevators working for you, or was it like
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  it was at the beginning where you were desperately trying to
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  get a large shipment? No, no, it was perfect until
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  then. OK.
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  Literally. Like, at least there was that
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  they didn't totally hate you, you know, you, I mean, have to
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  jump servers four times to find an elevator that works.
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  Yeah, but I had to. I had to do the whole mission
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  before I found out I'm. I kapooched it.
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  But after the second time, I was like, you're not going to fool
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  me again. There's no way.
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  Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, I won't be fooled
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  again. And it was, it was a week apart
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  by the way, this wasn't like back-to-back.
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  This was like I did that once and then I was like I'm not
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  playing and I didn't play for like 5 days and then I did it
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  again and the same thing happened so.
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  You gave up. OK, You needed something.
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  You needed that that week off to recharge.
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  No, I didn't give up. I said, hey Duke, do you want to
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  Co host the show? And you're like, yeah, I was
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  like, great, can you also do this mission for me?
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  That it was an honor, just like tonight.
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  It it was an honor to help move those boxes for you.
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  Wow, dude. And if I recall, I think I moved
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  all the boxes for you and flew the ship and landed it and and
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  dropped the boxes off and put them in the elevator and then
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  all you had to do was push the button to send them down.
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  To be fair, I've I've done it so many times before that.
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  To be fair. I just couldn't bring that.
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  Yeah, but some of the cool stuff that we could bring ourselves
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  to. Did you try the what are they
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  called the ASD missions? The the ASD missions, the Onyx
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  facility I did. The Onyx.
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  Onyx, Onyx. I did finally.
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  I, I was going to wait. I've been waiting for a friend.
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  I was going to try and do it with him, but I, I couldn't, I
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  couldn't wait any longer. I had to try it because
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  everyone's been talking about it.
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  So I did jump in there today in between parental stuff like I
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  got into a little bit, not as much as I wanted to.
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  What do you think? That is a loaded question.
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  I've got a lot of thoughts. I got a lot of thoughts.
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  I think like I didn't even want it.
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  Normally I would really dive into it and I would, you know,
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  I'd write out my thoughts and, and kind of analyze it, but I
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  wanted to just do it fresh. I wanted to do it with with our
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  guest today and just talk it over and and see what they
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  think. Well, that may be why you picked
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  this week's question. It could be why.
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  That is why. It's definitely why.
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  What question did you pick this week?
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  This week's question is Onyx Facilities the future of
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  exploration gameplay or just another dead end bunker mission?
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  It's harsh. It is, I mean, it's, it's a
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  little harsh. It's a little, you know, it's a
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  little controversial. Could be honestly, you, you said
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  that and I was like, huh? It's I, I always, I have a lot
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  of thoughts about it. I have a lot of thoughts, but I
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  don't want well steal people's Thunder.
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  We'll we'll share our thoughts with our with our new friends.
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  No Duke, this is this is your show this week.
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  You're the Co host, so anything you say goes however you like to
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  do it. But just so everybody else
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  knows, this is Opencoms radio, your Star Citizen call in show,
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  where every week on Wednesdays and every week, anyone who wants
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  to call in can just hop into the Discord here and call in.
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  And we have some favorite friends and who are packed here.
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  So we're going to get to it with the first one who is in the
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  caller waiting room, Lord Anubis.
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  Hello, hello, hello. Hello, my Lord.
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  Duke, you can. You can ask him.
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  Oh, I'm going to ask him. I I'm greeting him, I'm greeting
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  him. I want to make sure he's greeted
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  first. He's going to ask me.
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  We're going to ask you. You ready?
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  You ready for the question? Sure.
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  OK. Tonight's question.
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  Onyx facilities, The future of exploration gameplay, or just
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  another dead end bunker mission? Well, I, I, I, I, I guess the
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  only thing I could say is how many other things were
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  supposedly going to change the way the game works.
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  You know, Pyro is supposed to change everything.
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  The executive hangers, oh whole like this is a whole new system.
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  Every single thing that has come along has supposed was supposed
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  to be the next step and and it was going to change the way we
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  play. I think that the jury is still
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  out on this. It's too early to say.
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  I think that if they decide to leave these as is and not add
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  additional content to them, that these are just the stories you
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  run through here and that's it, that they're not going to like
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  use them for other things. Then you have to dead end just
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  like everything else. It's another new roller coaster
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  that everybody's going to try and then they're going to go and
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  move on to, you know, doing the other stuff and, and, and the in
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  the amusement park, you know, and, and then no one goes on the
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  roller coaster anymore because there's a new shiny.
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  So I have, I have something related kind of to what you're
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  saying about this. And it's about like so this,
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  there's 120 of these facilities, they're all exactly the same.
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  And it initially I was like really upset about that because
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  it's like, I don't know, just put some like random stuff in
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  it, right? I think it breaks the immersion.
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  Yeah, and there's always in every facility, there's the same
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  guy in the same chair who's like dead behind the desk or
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  whatever. Maybe that maybe that's not a
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  mistake. Well.
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  Exactly dude, I was thinking that and the story and
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  everything makes it seem like this should be like one place.
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  And I think maybe initially they planned for this to be one
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  place, like one location and they were maybe wanted to
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  instance it. This content seems like it's
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  made for instancing, not 120 different locations.
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  I agree. Yeah.
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  And like the fact the way the missions are functioning right
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  now where you know, it's like go down, get the personnel files,
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  go down, download, get the personnel files.
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  And it's like, all right, leave the facility.
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  And, and I'm like, wait, why, why am I leaving?
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  Like, OK, I get it if that was the whole mission, but then it's
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  like, all right, now go to this facility and it'll send you to
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  another location of the exact same facility to go into the
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  mission again. So it it's almost like the
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  missions are broken where it all should have just been, like you
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  said, like instanced in one facility, but instead it's got
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  us hopping from one to the other to get through missions that are
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  basically like go from room A to room B in the same facility.
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  Right. And and then it's also, I feel,
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  why am I going to if all these locations are exactly the same,
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  why do I have to keep going to different ones?
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  Right, that's what I mean. Like it is it broken?
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  Was this the original intent? Because it's just.
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  It doesn't make sense. I think they they couldn't get
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  instancing done in time. Yeah.
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  And then they just. Screw it, put the content out
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  because it's cool narratively and they and I think the
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  narrative is tight. They need to keep everything on
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  track for the narrative for this year.
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  Because if they had split up the facility into like smaller
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  facilities and maybe done like four or five of them, then it
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  would make sense, you know, to be jumping between them for the
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  missions. But like you said, to go from
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  one facility where you got Bob dead in the corner and then fly
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  to a different moon, different facility and you go down the
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  elevator and there's Bob dead in the corner.
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  It's, you know, like I said, it's immersion breaking.
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  It's a little disappointing, that's all.
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  Unless this ties into the, you know, the whole, what's it
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  called, Second Life initiative thing, right?
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  And these whole facilities are clones.
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  That's it. You know, they're, they're
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  identical because they're, they've been copied.
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  What do you think about that, Lord Anubis?
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  They just need. They just need shit that
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  actually matters that you can still build upon and everything
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  else like that. I mean, again, these rides are
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  wonderful. They're you know, you go on the
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  ride, you go with your friends and then it's done and then
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  that's it. And I guess before, when it was
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  just like, OK, well, we have just simple bunkers and we have
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  simple things. It's it's, you know, it is what
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  it is, but we were expecting that something was going to
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  change things and something was going to make this feel more
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  like a life that you're living rather than just a bunch of
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  rides you're visiting. And it still hasn't happened
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  yet. Now it feels like they're
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  pumping tons of time and effort into more bunkers.
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  Like what? When was?
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  When was the last time you did a half door?
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  Yeah, I mean, exactly. But you know orbital things and
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  it's going to change everything and you're going to go mining
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  and you're going to do all these.
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  Other things for. Wiccolo and no one does it and
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  it was and and even looting is just, you know, you got
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  everything now. If they'd made those half bone
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  minerals something that was just extremely valuable or, you know,
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  very useful outside of Wicklow, Oh yeah.
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  You know, I think people would be down there, you know, they'd
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  be doing it more often. But they're just, yeah, first of
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  all, I mean, the first, obviously they, they fixed it,
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  but they tied this to the R&G in the beginning, which definitely
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  turned people off. They were like, all right, well,
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  I'm not going to waste my time. My main thought going through it
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  was I just kept thinking this should be so much better if
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  there was an economy, you know, because even like, I'm not, I'm
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  not much of A loot goblin. I'm always going down.
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  I see all the and I saw like some of the, what is it the ASD
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  armor, the newest, like the Stealth 1.
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  And I'm not into it. So I just, I don't know, I just
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  don't pick it up. But there was like a, a built
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  in, you know, economy where I could put that up for sale or I
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  can bring it back to my, my base.
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  Fingers crossed for 2025. And, you know, throw that in the
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  what you want to call it in the mulcher, you know, and just get
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  the, the parts for it, take it apart and use that to build
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  something else. And hell yeah, I'd be doing it.
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  I'd be down there. Yeah.
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  You're not those other parts. You're not going to be getting
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  anything of that like that, this, this, this next year.
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  Yeah, 2025 is almost over. Yeah.
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  I mean, they were supposed to be putting in, what do you call it,
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  engineering, right? Yep.
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  That was, that would have so going back to what you said,
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  like, you know, all these things that were supposed to be game
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  changing, that would have been game changing.
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  It would have been a big difference for, you know, medium
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  to large ship gameplay and they took it out and it would have
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  made it exciting. I, I would be every night I'd be
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  queuing up to be, you know, just an engineer on someone's
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  interests or whatever, you know, right now, you know, sitting in
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  the turret, they can get boring. But if I was literally running
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  around putting out fires, swapping out components and
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  fuses and stuff like that, I'd be there.
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  But but they took that out. And I, you know, you have to
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  believe that they took it out for a reason.
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  It just wasn't ready. I mean, I mean, this has been,
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  this has been years that they keep promising this and then,
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  you know, they they dangle it in front of us and, you know, yeah,
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  I want to be Scotty. I want to be someone.
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  I don't just want to man a turret because I'm not that good
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  at shooting from turrets. They just, you know, like I
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  would like to. Do something like manatee.
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  Manatee, yeah. Manate turret.
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  I'm going to find an artist to draw that for me.
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  It's going to be a turret with like a manatee tail all.
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  Right. Well, Lord Anubis, I hope you
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  stick around. Nah, I'm a bail.
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  You're going to bail. No, I'm kidding.
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  OK. Well, then you can scoot on down
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  the couch there our next guest, cosmic Hobo Duke little science
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  here see if you can pull hobo up and then you give him the intro
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  I'm. Gonna go tug on hobo here.
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  Let's see. Well, all right, I didn't say
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  that like that. I can't.
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  OK, I will bring Hobo from the guest waiting room channel into
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  the open comms live channel. No weird innuendo at all.
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  Duke, you want to introduce this guy?
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  Cosmic Kobo. Welcome.
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  Howdy. Howdy.
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  All right. You ready?
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  We've been we've been talking tonight's question.
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  Onyx facilities. The future of exploration
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  gameplay or just another dead end bunker mission?
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  I think they're the future. If they can replicate this again
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  for another storyline with a different facility, with a
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  different kind of design. Yeah, sure.
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  And I think at least for the short term, it's the future like
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  short and medium term they're going to, they're going to melt
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  this, they're going to open up that third wing with the next
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  patch. We'll see where the story goes
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  from there. I I don't think they did list in
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  the Q&A that they were going to be other missions that involved
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  the these facilities. Why they didn't release those
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  missions with that Q&A, who knows, But so they're going to,
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  they've got the assets, they've got the facilities, they're
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  they're at least going to milk it for a while.
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  And I hope they reuse this style at least and build upon it for
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  other W lines. OK.
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  So do you think, do you think now does this count as
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  exploration or is this more like a re evolution of the the Pi
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  investigation missions that we used to have?
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  I think it's a bit of both. It's definitely more combat
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  heavy than those Pi missions used to be, that's for sure.
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  Until they started doing the hot drops of Cutty blacks filled
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  with guys. Yeah, I, I, I, I only ever did a
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  handful of those. I don't remember them.
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  Very. I remember the spaceship ones I
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  think, where you just kind of flew around with the.
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  Horrible. Eva Mechanics.
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  Oh yeah. And ran into stuff and it always
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  looked way better in the trailers.
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  But then now we have that proper Eva which that'd be cool to do
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  those Pi missions again. I've been dying about those Pi
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  missions back. Yeah, Yeah, this is this is sort
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  of a cross between the those Pi missions and like a ACZ of
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  sorts. Like they definitely maybe I can
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  see people complaining that there was just maybe a too, too
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  much E in the Pve of this of these missions.
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  But I mean, I like it. I like that.
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  I think that's, I think that was kind of the point, right?
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  They were trying to deliver some of that Pve.
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  I can't see, I can't see a really positive aspect of
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  introducing PV PvP to this particular event.
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  No, and unfortunately, though it will happen and.
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  Has happened like. We've run into quite a few
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  people already and I was, I was looting 1 box just the other
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  day, just like my back was turned and I turned around and
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  some guy came up and shot me and thankfully Murph and Rob were
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  around. And yeah, I mean, it did.
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  It happens. It's that person went to jail, I
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  believe. So that worked because I went
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  and shot him in the face. But it.
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  Oh, I I learned something about that.
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  So I don't mean to interrupt, but this is, this is good.
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  There's a setting in your game settings like right on the
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  right, on the top right on like the front page that says like if
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  you don't, if, when after someone kills you and that
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  message pops up like do you want to press charges?
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  If you do nothing, it will automatically press charges.
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  Really. Oh.
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  Yeah. I need to you.
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  Can turn it off. Do that.
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  But it's on by default, so you don't even have to.
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  Worry about take a look at that way.
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  That's under game settings. Oh yeah, there it is.
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  Report crime automatically if notification is ignored.
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  OK. Yeah, I already have that as
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  yes. It's on by default.
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  Yep, OK. Opencoms PSA You don't have to
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  do anything. If you've turned it off.
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  Yeah, but. But yeah, I think they're great.
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  I like them. I think they're the future.
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  Yeah, All right, all right. How'd you feel about that?
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  Go always go into the same one and see him Bob in the chair.
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  It does get a little old. I I will say that I love them.
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  I like it. We need more to the facilities.
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  We need more wings. We need more.
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  Floors, but I've said that about the bunkers in the past,
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  although the bunkers, as has been stated on this show
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  previously, we're very slap dash and thrown together and this was
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  not this was clearly intentionally put together and
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  planned out like I if these are the I still believe they took
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  some of the level designers who are doing pretty much nothing
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  from the squadron 42 once they finish their part of it and.
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  On. This and if that is the case,
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  then I genuinely have a much more hopeful out view outlook of
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  a squad and four two. I, I've not had poor outlook of
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  it, but I'm just like sure if it does well fine.
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  But that, that, that gives me a little more hope on that.
• 21:49
  Yeah, I mean you, I, I hadn't even considered that because I
• 21:51
  mean, at this point, right, we are quote, feature complete.
• 21:56
  The level designers shouldn't be working their butts off right
• 21:59
  now, right? You should be.
• 22:01
  Doing miscellaneous tasks. Like clean up, you know, fixes
• 22:05
  here and there, but right, they got to put those people to work.
• 22:08
  So I can see now. All right, let's, you know,
• 22:11
  let's move them over to to Star Citizen.
• 22:13
  Let's get them putting together some stuff that that OK, you
• 22:17
  gave me some hope because that is a good way to look at it.
• 22:19
  There might be some more stuff in the pipeline.
• 22:22
  It was genuinely my first thought after saying the
• 22:25
  facilities is wow. They, they, they put those
• 22:27
  Squadron 42 designers to work because we've never seen
• 22:30
  anything like this in Star Citizen as far as level design
• 22:35
  goes, just nothing. But we have seen glimpses of
• 22:41
  this in the Squadron 42 trailers and demos and vertical slices
• 22:46
  and stuff they've shown over the years.
• 22:50
  All righty, all righty. I'm, I'm excited for it too.
• 22:53
  I think I agree in terms of level design and everything.
• 22:58
  Did you do the whole thing Cosmic?
• 23:00
  Oh yeah, we we, Murph, Rob and I did it all in like 1 sitting
• 23:05
  both on the PU and when it came out.
• 23:08
  So are you going to go back and do more?
• 23:10
  Yeah, OK. Very well.
• 23:15
  Speaking of Rob, yeah, I want to bring, we have two more guests
• 23:20
  in the bedroom, so I do want to bring up broccoli.
• 23:22
  Rob, if you could scoot over on the couch a little bit here.
• 23:27
  Give a. Little scooty dooty dooty Duke,
• 23:30
  you want to introduce this feller?
• 23:32
  Broccoli. Yep, that was that was your
• 23:37
  name. We'll do that in post Broccoli
• 23:42
  Rob Tonight's question. Onyx facilities, the future of
• 23:46
  exploration gameplay, or just another dead end bunker mansion?
• 23:53
  Hey, all good to good to see everybody.
• 23:56
  So I think that it is a type of I think it's a future for a type
• 24:03
  of exploration gameplay. It's the first on rails content
• 24:08
  that this game has that I mean they're older missions, but
• 24:12
  those all been kind of pushed away.
• 24:15
  This the Onyx facilities are the first on Rails content that one
• 24:20
  point O is going to see. OK.
• 24:25
  You think they're going to stick around?
• 24:27
  I have a feeling like these are just going to go away after this
• 24:30
  narrative's done. I, I mean, we'll have to see
• 24:34
  where the story goes. It's possible, but I don't think
• 24:38
  they've put the work into this to just disappear them after the
• 24:42
  narrative is gone. A waste of resources.
• 24:46
  I mean that brings up another question which I thought too
• 24:48
  like this whole multi patch narrative that they're working
• 24:52
  on, right? Does that go away after one
• 24:56
  point O and or do they do they reuse it and start again once
• 25:00
  the game has been launched? I think they've said in the past
• 25:04
  they want to keep it so that people playing now get to be a
• 25:09
  part of shaping the world and see the world get shaped without
• 25:13
  having to sort of hit like a, a big retcon button at one point.
• 25:16
  O but yeah, I think that they can be, they could, this could
• 25:24
  just be open forever, like just say like, Oh yeah, we want to
• 25:27
  track down Doctor Joret and maybe he's always on the loose.
• 25:32
  Maybe these are just replayable. Or maybe they have plans to
• 25:36
  slightly alter some of the voice lines to like, change the game
• 25:40
  ever so slightly for sustainable, like replayability,
• 25:46
  you know? I'm just thinking Doctor Joy
• 25:49
  keeps escaping from Arkham Asylum.
• 25:52
  No, they don't even need to do that.
• 25:53
  Clones. Baby clones.
• 25:55
  Oh, they couldn't. It he figures it.
• 25:58
  Out Doctor Joy. Every every time he gets
• 26:01
  captured he he manages to kill himself and then he is reborn on
• 26:05
  a clone while he mastered all himself again.
• 26:10
  About instancing, I don't think that the plan was to ever have
• 26:14
  these instance. I think the plan like
• 26:18
  narratively it's one place, but I think if it was one place that
• 26:25
  was instance, we would have a line of ships out of atmosphere
• 26:29
  to try to get into it. I think they've recognized that
• 26:32
  problem and just saturated the market with different facilities
• 26:38
  so that people wouldn't be running into each other and it
• 26:41
  didn't come turning the jump down over the single facility
• 26:45
  that was instance. I agree with that.
• 26:50
  That's why I wonder when they're going to get into.
• 26:53
  So there's, there's a huge real estate that is unused in the
• 26:57
  game right now, open space, right?
• 27:03
  If they want to have like an instant instanced event or
• 27:06
  something could have it based on a station out in, you know, deep
• 27:11
  space between the moons or something like that.
• 27:14
  I thought that would give them much more room to play with and
• 27:16
  and not have people. Right.
• 27:20
  Yeah, like transient jump points to temporary systems.
• 27:24
  Yeah, exactly. And you know the the entrance to
• 27:28
  the jump point is transient. So it it jumps around, you got
• 27:30
  to find it and then it's going to get bring you to the instant
• 27:32
  mission. And that whole system is always
• 27:35
  completely random. That's when they they do their
• 27:38
  like proc Gen. stuff. Yeah.
• 27:42
  Could be like a a vandal system. Like we don't know where this
• 27:46
  hole will take you, but we believe it is a vandal system
• 27:49
  and bada boom bada Bing you end up in a randomized vandal area.
• 27:58
  That's a, that's, that's the true beginning of of
• 28:00
  exploration, right? Having to search down these
• 28:03
  transient jump points. Well, I wanted to say I think
• 28:08
  Onyx facilities are the true start of exploration gameplay in
• 28:13
  a sense, because I think exploration gameplay is not
• 28:17
  going to be find a new wormhole, enter a new system, name the sun
• 28:23
  after yourself, rename the star after yourself.
• 28:29
  I think a lot of it is like Jar Jar we're we're doing this when
• 28:32
  we went in to the facility and everyone was thrown, throwing
• 28:36
  themselves down the elevator shaft.
• 28:39
  I kept saying do not do that, don't just.
• 28:43
  Try and they would still jump. Fast as possible.
• 28:45
  They would. You'd say you'd stand by the
• 28:47
  elevator shaft and say don't jump down there.
• 28:50
  And then I'd look down and lo and behold, someone's down
• 28:52
  there. Yeah, but The thing is, if you
• 28:55
  go all the way to the bottom, you can't get back up to the
• 28:59
  location that you need to be at to complete the mission.
• 29:05
  Which is smart. It's actually the levels are
• 29:06
  really smartly designed. Yeah, it's forcing people to
• 29:11
  investigate. It's not.
• 29:12
  It's you can't just chase a waypoint looking at the ground
• 29:17
  until you get there, not listen to the next step and then just
• 29:22
  chase away, point staring at the ground until you get there and
• 29:25
  then take the elevator out. You have to look around.
• 29:28
  You have to take in the video game that you're playing.
• 29:32
  Golly, what a concept. Asking for a lot.
• 29:40
  I don't. I don't think that's.
• 29:42
  Exploring, you know. No, I know.
• 29:45
  I actually, you know, I, it bothered me the most when we
• 29:49
  would do it with like a group and someone would be talking
• 29:51
  when my guy was talking. But I realized that.
• 29:55
  All of our I'm. Trying to experience it, but
• 29:59
  they're not all playing at the exact same time, you know?
• 30:00
  It's like you can get the mission and it plays for you.
• 30:03
  And he's like, oh Jay Wes, he's Australian.
• 30:07
  Which is strange because they don't have an Australian studio,
• 30:10
  do they? Yeah, but they're in the UK, the
• 30:14
  Australians popping up there all the time.
• 30:17
  Yeah, they broke free. Yeah.
• 30:20
  I didn't. I didn't know they were allowed.
• 30:22
  They're not. It's illegal.
• 30:25
  Only when they're out on bail. Yeah.
• 30:28
  All right, all right, Brock and Rob, anything you want to say to
• 30:34
  our Australian listeners or anything else about the game
• 30:36
  before we bring on our next guest?
• 30:40
  No and Gary all have great coffee.
• 30:41
  Hope I can try it sometime. All right, Australia has a great
• 30:46
  coffee. Well, this is Opencom's radio,
• 30:49
  your Star Citizen call and show. Just to remind, you can always
• 30:52
  call on in by joining our Discord.
• 30:55
  And today we have a first time caller.
• 30:58
  This gentleman has commented before.
• 31:01
  I think he said something very positive before about about the
• 31:05
  show was. It one of the bots.
• 31:08
  Nope. Real bonafide human being coming
• 31:10
  on. This is Minglewood.
• 31:14
  Minglewood, welcome to OPEN Comms Radio.
• 31:17
  Thank you for stopping by. We have a question for you
• 31:20
  today, Duke. I asked question.
• 31:24
  Minglewood Onyx facilities, the future of exploration, gameplay,
• 31:29
  or just another dead end bunker? Dang, that's a pretty good
• 31:34
  question. Well, I've been listening.
• 31:41
  I think at first I was thinking that it wasn't, but I've
• 31:43
  listened to what you guys were talking about.
• 31:45
  Like it wasn't exploration gameplay necessarily.
• 31:47
  But I like Rob's point about how the how the maze is made.
• 31:52
  So you know, you can go too far and then not get back.
• 31:55
  Well, I mean, go back to the top and you guys start over again,
• 31:57
  right? So yeah, possibly, I sure do
• 32:03
  have some disappointments with some things about it.
• 32:05
  You know, I I'm really disappointed in in the group
• 32:12
  gameplay how they how 1 you, you don't share rewards, right?
• 32:17
  So, but you also screw up the mission for yourself and cannot
• 32:22
  get rewards if you do it with someone else on their mission.
• 32:28
  Yeah. You know, those things are I
• 32:32
  think that's pretty heinous and I think that CIG has had a lot
• 32:36
  of has not been supporting group game play enough.
• 32:41
  You know, they say they design these things for groups, but yet
• 32:46
  they don't really pan out in the end.
• 32:51
  Let's see as far as the the, I think Rob also made a really
• 32:58
  good point about the instance and I was sure that this was
• 33:00
  meant to be instance, but the line of ships thing, that's a
• 33:03
  real deal. So it couldn't have been one
• 33:06
  place. But I I don't like the the, the,
• 33:12
  the, you know, the the fact that I have to really try to suspend
• 33:16
  my disbelief when it's the same location every single place.
• 33:19
  But I guess that's just the way it's got to be because of the
• 33:21
  number of players. So yeah, yeah, I've had fun.
• 33:27
  I did all the missions through and I'm in the repeatable stuff
• 33:30
  now. It was enjoyable.
• 33:33
  Did you do them by? Yourself, I do wish.
• 33:35
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I, I, I, I, I, I, I had
• 33:39
  somebody come with me on one of them and they LED too much there
• 33:43
  and I was like, I'm not doing any more of these with other
• 33:45
  people, you know what I mean? No, it it wasn't Jar Jar at all.
• 33:55
  Yeah, I LED Duke this morning because I had to go.
• 33:57
  I was like, just fucking let's go.
• 34:00
  What I did wish, though, was that I wish that the missions
• 34:03
  themselves had more text to clue you where to go.
• 34:08
  I really like that it doesn't tell you where to go when you go
• 34:10
  in. It tells you go to research or
• 34:12
  to engineering, right? But it doesn't, I mean, I guess
• 34:15
  the first mission you get a marker because you're so close
• 34:17
  to it, but you don't get a a marker until you're close, you
• 34:19
  know, until you've come to the appropriate area.
• 34:22
  And I wish that there was a little flavor text in the stuff
• 34:25
  to kind of, you know, have you follow signs or you know what
• 34:30
  I'm saying, like, like. There's a point.
• 34:34
  Where I'm just like, I just need to stumble around until I find
• 34:37
  the thing, right. And you know, which is
• 34:39
  exploring, but it would be cool if there was some contextual
• 34:43
  clues about like where you might be going and then things in the
• 34:46
  environment that pointed you towards, you know, even, you
• 34:50
  know, suddenly towards. So I, I think I would have
• 34:53
  enjoyed that more, but you know, it did make you explore the
• 34:58
  space. It was funny.
• 35:00
  I found the gravity lab. Oh, I, I actually, I don't want
• 35:03
  to talk spoilers, but I found something like on my first time,
• 35:07
  I was in there and looked around a bit, but then when I needed to
• 35:11
  go there for the mission, I kept going past where to go in there
• 35:15
  and, and, and I was kind of frustrated by that.
• 35:17
  I won't say what that was, but then I'm then I finally like,
• 35:20
  oh, am I just not? I mean, and and and I knew the
• 35:24
  place I had to go to because I'd seen the sign and been there and
• 35:26
  I'm like, this is what this place is for.
• 35:28
  I know I got to go there, but I couldn't remember how to get to
• 35:30
  it. And I just, you know, didn't
• 35:33
  find that turn for for an hour or so.
• 35:36
  But oh dude, because the places. They're not even that big.
• 35:39
  Like you, when you realize they're not even that big, but
• 35:41
  they're so confusing. I get lost in them all the time.
• 35:45
  Abrinthian. Yeah, yeah.
• 35:46
  But that's, that's a good critique on like, you know, I
• 35:49
  like it 'cause you're, you're not talking about the, the
• 35:53
  delivery of it and, and the goals and stuff, but just a
• 35:55
  critique of how they did it. Where if there had been little
• 35:59
  queues, like you said, like, oh, like, you know, the next thing
• 36:01
  you need to find is it's in the newer section of the facility,
• 36:05
  which was most recently, you know, dug through the the the
• 36:10
  Baron, you know, the bare rock beneath the facility.
• 36:12
  Like that would tell you like, OK, I'm probably going to see,
• 36:15
  you know, some bare rock walls, maybe some new construction.
• 36:19
  Little. Little cues like that.
• 36:21
  So that you're like, oh, like I'm on the right track.
• 36:23
  And I think that would make it more exploration investigation
• 36:28
  like as opposed to like you said, I'm stumbling around just
• 36:32
  hoping that I'm making the right turn.
• 36:35
  We had to follow like a just a few.
• 36:36
  Clues, you know that that you know, and you might stumble on
• 36:40
  it without seeing the clues, but like where there's clues there
• 36:43
  you know to be. So I'm just, I don't like like
• 36:45
  Indiana Jones and. Not like Mr. Bean.
• 36:48
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean.
• 36:49
  That's that's a good analogy. Yeah, yeah.
• 36:52
  So those are my feelings about it.
• 36:55
  I think that that that it looks it looks great.
• 36:59
  I think some. Of the.
• 36:59
  Waves of the enemies. Are silly, but I actually.
• 37:03
  Think. But I think a lot of that is
• 37:06
  them. Responding to gunfire, but I
• 37:09
  tried it with a silencer just to see if that would change it and
• 37:12
  I still had like tons of copions come rushing in when I shot one
• 37:18
  from a different, you know, in a different place, right, Like I
• 37:20
  would shoot a copion and then they would come running from
• 37:23
  some from you know, I'm not going to save the places so
• 37:25
  spoil stuff. They would be running from
• 37:27
  somewhere else, you know, So I think they're.
• 37:30
  Telepathic so. No, but they didn't come till.
• 37:34
  I shot the. Copians by me, right?
• 37:36
  So like as soon as I shot one of those Copians, I could, I knew
• 37:39
  that I just need to wait 30 seconds for the other ones to
• 37:42
  show up and, and, and it happened regardless of a
• 37:44
  silencer or not. So I thought that was
• 37:50
  interesting. So do you plan to keep going
• 37:54
  back? Yeah.
• 37:56
  Because I mean, I didn't. Intend to collect on the armor
• 37:59
  but now I've got like I just need.
• 38:02
  Like a couple I. Need like one leg and one arm
• 38:07
  and. 2 Back 3. Backpacks, you know, and then a
• 38:12
  little. Bit of a.
• 38:13
  Completionist. Well, just because.
• 38:16
  It's like I've got so. Many of the colors, now that I
• 38:18
  made it out with, it's like, Oh well, wouldn't it be cool to
• 38:20
  have them all? And you know, what else is there
• 38:22
  to do? What else is there?
• 38:25
  Yeah, well, I'm thinking so. We had this mission and then
• 38:29
  before this we had resource drive, and they're two very
• 38:31
  different approaches to missions and to gameplay.
• 38:35
  So mingle you can start. But this is obviously a question
• 38:38
  for everybody. Of these two missions, which do
• 38:44
  you prefer and which like, which do you want to see more of these
• 38:50
  two mission types? I think I'd like to see more.
• 38:55
  New places. So I think resource, I mean, I,
• 38:58
  I, I, I think the the new mission, I would lean there, but
• 39:02
  but mostly because of that, not just the fact that it's
• 39:05
  exploration or combat. I mean, like, I don't know if
• 39:08
  you guys read, but they said that, that, that, that you can
• 39:11
  take the red if you, if you got your Red Wing missions.
• 39:14
  And what was the other one? Repair missions maybe OK.
• 39:21
  That oh, Oh no. It was Eckhart mission, so if
• 39:24
  you have those opened up, you apparently can get missions and
• 39:28
  maybe it's not till three one but or maybe it's now I'm.
• 39:33
  Not sure. But anyway, the, the, it's if
• 39:35
  you're happening now or the plan is for the next patch, you're
• 39:38
  able to get Eckhart missions to go repair things in the, in the
• 39:42
  base and, or, or, or like Red Wing missions or, you know,
• 39:47
  whatever the, the, the freight services to bring things to the
• 39:52
  big places or perhaps pick things up for.
• 39:55
  Me. So they're.
• 39:57
  So. So they're already.
• 39:58
  Tying and hauling and repair missions which which which I
• 40:01
  think is a positive thing. And so I think my answer is not
• 40:05
  a particular type of mission, but it's like I liked it.
• 40:08
  I would want them to add more content that you can tie.
• 40:12
  You know the other game play into and I like.
• 40:16
  That this is exploration. Right.
• 40:18
  But now we have hauling coming to it.
• 40:20
  There's combat in it. I would like to have some less
• 40:22
  combatty parts, but you know, whatever.
• 40:27
  I guess it's only from the first time you do.
• 40:29
  The puzzle, right? And yeah, well, that's yeah, I,
• 40:33
  I think so. I.
• 40:33
  Think if they they added more random elements to it, if that
• 40:38
  if that's the direction they're going with adding other missions
• 40:40
  to it. If they add more random elements
• 40:41
  to it, I think then you'd have something there.
• 40:46
  I mean if they can make procedural.
• 40:48
  Like, you know, like parts, you know the section, you know
• 40:52
  where, where you actually do have to pause a, you know, have
• 40:55
  a, have a. Trap.
• 40:56
  Or a puzzle or A and have a few of those in.
• 40:59
  I think that would be pretty neat.
• 41:01
  But anyway, yeah, yeah. I mean, I should let someone
• 41:04
  else speak. What do you think?
• 41:06
  Brock the Rob between this mission and the last mission, so
• 41:13
  I. Did not like the last mission.
• 41:15
  I didn't like the that it really there was no benefit whatsoever
• 41:24
  to playing in a group. Let the the individual rewards
• 41:30
  were cranked up to 11. You get what I'm saying in this?
• 41:35
  One, there's, you know, a. Little bit of combat, a little
• 41:37
  bit of looting. Yeah, I'm sorry.
• 41:40
  In the current mission, a little bit of combat, a little bit of
• 41:41
  looting. But in the previous one it was
• 41:44
  move boxes alone so you can get paints.
• 41:48
  You know, I do like that they they said.
• 41:54
  Do this for war or. Do this so you can change things
• 41:57
  about the universe itself, which whether or not it's useful or
• 42:03
  not, it can be argued, but I like that idea.
• 42:08
  So I think there are elements to both of them that I like
• 42:11
  ultimately, I think I mean. I definitely like this.
• 42:16
  Current one more I think it it adds a lot and people it adds a
• 42:24
  lot and it doesn't add FOMO, which I can't stand as a way to
• 42:30
  motivate people to play the game, or at least.
• 42:36
  I think universal reward but. We won't have to get into all
• 42:38
  that, but I think both have their place in the purse but
• 42:42
  need to be changed slightly. OK, all right, who's who?
• 42:48
  We. Have next year I think Lord
• 42:49
  Anubis. Lord Anubis, you with us?
• 42:55
  What was that? So our question now is.
• 42:58
  Between the Onyx missions and then the previous missions, the
• 43:01
  resource drive missions, which do you want to see more of?
• 43:14
  I'd like to see them interlinked.
• 43:16
  I'd like to see them play into each other like you.
• 43:22
  Know having large. Events with multiple features
• 43:26
  utilizing multiple resources, like going back to Hathorp or
• 43:29
  something or whatever, you know, and, and also hauling and just
• 43:34
  having those types of things. Kind of like when we had the
• 43:36
  what was the one where we're making like millions permission,
• 43:41
  like 26,000,000 permission, the Ghost Hollow.
• 43:45
  I was like the. Drug hauling and But there were.
• 43:49
  Ways to do multiple things. You can either go into comet,
• 43:53
  you can do anything and I and I think you know, you incorporate
• 43:56
  FPS into that. You get everything all together
• 43:59
  and have them all playing to each other.
• 44:01
  I think that, but I'm not going to choose one or the other.
• 44:04
  I don't think I can't because you know, well.
• 44:09
  Then which one would you play? More like which one would you
• 44:11
  play more often? Would you be are you going to be
• 44:15
  running these Onyx? Missions or are you going to be
• 44:18
  hauling and mining and and doing something for?
• 44:22
  For resource drive, yeah. Well, I mean I I I I, I I think
• 44:27
  that I, I. Don't want the monotony.
• 44:31
  Of doing the same thing over and over and over again with hauling
• 44:34
  and everything like that. I would like the break to go do
• 44:36
  some to, to go do some of those Onyx missions.
• 44:40
  But again, I, I want them both to count towards things, you
• 44:43
  know, right. It's hard to choose between the
• 44:47
  two. I mean, honestly, I don't really
• 44:48
  have a particular play style that I want to stick to more
• 44:50
  than others, honestly. OK.
• 44:54
  All right. I hope that I don't think
• 44:55
  they're going to. Make us choose between the two.
• 44:57
  I mean, I certainly hope not. But that's really.
• 45:02
  It like bringing them. Together and you.
• 45:04
  Got me like the gear is turning on.
• 45:05
  Like imagine if there was an event or an admission right
• 45:10
  where we have to do some investigation.
• 45:13
  You're going to work through a facility or something.
• 45:15
  You've got to get to, you know, a computer console and get some
• 45:20
  details and then that opens up maybe another facility or a
• 45:25
  dense resource pocket or something.
• 45:28
  And then you can use that information or sell it on the
• 45:32
  server so that other people can then go to that facility and
• 45:35
  like load up their ships with with valuable resources.
• 45:38
  That's where that would be great, you know, if these things
• 45:41
  came together in an event like that.
• 45:45
  Yeah, I mean they they have enough.
• 45:47
  Resources to do it. I mean they have what, 1000
• 45:50
  employees? I mean, they should have the
• 45:53
  tools now to be able to be able to make these things on the fly
• 45:57
  in the time. They're supposed to be like,
• 46:01
  done with Squadron, we all know that.
• 46:04
  Oh yeah, feature complete. Yeah, feature.
• 46:07
  Complete. Except they still haven't
• 46:09
  figured out how they're going to do scanning and things like
• 46:11
  that, which. Again, you.
• 46:15
  Know Squadron sounds cool, but that's not the game I'm excited
• 46:19
  for. That's not the game I'm going to
• 46:21
  be playing for 10 years. Well, and if they don't?
• 46:24
  Know what they're going to do. With scanning, if they don't
• 46:26
  have a ship model yet, that's where like my my doubts come in.
• 46:29
  But we're not we're not talking about squadron right now.
• 46:31
  We're talking about which do you prefer, cosmic Hobo, this
• 46:34
  mission, Onyx facilities or the resource drive missions?
• 46:38
  I agree with Rob. 'S take, but it's to to be
• 46:42
  direct with the question. I I do ASD more just it's more
• 46:46
  enjoyable. I I like Rob said, I I want
• 46:52
  global awards. I want events to mean things on
• 46:56
  the end to the verse, but I don't.
• 47:00
  Want to do the? Same retrieval mission
• 47:06
  2440880106 times or something? No.
• 47:14
  No thanks. Like that's it's it's exact.
• 47:18
  I'm doing one right now and it's like OK I've done this.
• 47:22
  Is the card always? In the exact.
• 47:23
  Same spot or whatever you're. Retrieving OH.
• 47:28
  For. For the ASD facility I'm I'm
• 47:30
  doing one of the ship retrieval missions right now.
• 47:33
  But oh OK. Depends on the.
• 47:36
  Card. Because the card and the
• 47:39
  avoiding spoilers the the floaty and not floaty places that one
• 47:45
  moves thousands in different spots at different times.
• 47:48
  The card at the flying pointy thing location is in the same
• 47:54
  spot every time I believe. And the card.
• 48:01
  For the spicy air area, is that a slightly, I think that's just
• 48:09
  a terminal. That terminal is one of the four
• 48:12
  or so they have around the there's a worm there.
• 48:16
  It's not one of the Super big ones, but the the room with the
• 48:19
  worm in the spicy spicy air. That head has different
• 48:25
  terminals for different times, but it's in the same like 5 feet
• 48:31
  from each other I guess. That's another one of their.
• 48:36
  One of their attempts to make sure that if one breaks that
• 48:40
  they don't all break, despite the fact that it kind of
• 48:46
  suspends your displace a wee bit.
• 48:48
  That's what I was going to ask is.
• 48:50
  Like have all those been used? Have you used all of those?
• 48:53
  Because there, there is also a Part 2 to these missions that
• 48:56
  they haven't released yet, right.
• 48:58
  So I'm. I'm wondering if we can.
• 49:01
  Figure out what Part 2 might be from from what we have well.
• 49:06
  There's levers at certain. Points and like, oh, there's a
• 49:14
  bunch of different things that we haven't used yet, especially
• 49:18
  in the engineering wing and the there's a whole level of the
• 49:23
  research area that is not currently used in any of the
• 49:28
  missions. And you usually just go past it.
• 49:32
  Most people just go past it and probably don't even realize it
• 49:35
  exists because you're you're going down an elevator shaft at
• 49:39
  that time and you need to, you know, you need to go to the
• 49:43
  bottom of set elevator shaft, but there's this whole floor of
• 49:48
  full of Copians mostly that's you don't really go down for
• 49:54
  anything right now. So yeah, there's there's
• 49:59
  certainly. Lots of other.
• 50:01
  Places, I think and and they could have some of them go
• 50:06
  together, like they could have certain things you need to do go
• 50:10
  go to point A to point B. Like I kind of expected more of
• 50:14
  that. Like the A to B spots so far are
• 50:18
  pretty close to each other with maybe one or two exceptions like
• 50:26
  the spicy. Air Room.
• 50:28
  Going to the even spicier. Air Room.
• 50:32
  Yeah, I mean they're there are small facilities.
• 50:35
  Yeah, they're not that big. They're just confusing.
• 50:38
  They are they? They give.
• 50:40
  A They have great atmosphere and they're just, I think they're
• 50:43
  great. I hope we get more than just
• 50:47
  another wing and just other missions like I.
• 50:49
  Like I said, I want to see this design replicated for more story
• 50:54
  arcs. It beats the pants off those
• 50:57
  old. Bunkers.
• 50:58
  Oh, definitely. Definitely does.
• 51:02
  Definitely does, but I. Do think we're referencing
• 51:05
  Duke's question. If there's not any randomness
• 51:08
  involved in it, this is going to get old and it will turn into a
• 51:11
  stale bunker. Because how?
• 51:13
  Many times you're going to see that.
• 51:14
  Pointy thing, yeah, it's just a fancier 1.
• 51:17
  So if they're going to keep these facilities around, like
• 51:20
  Mingle, you were saying that they're going to keep it around
• 51:23
  and they have other things to do in them, repair missions and
• 51:25
  stuff. I'd still like to see them
• 51:28
  randomized a bit if there's going to be right, because
• 51:31
  that's the. Thing with those silly old
• 51:33
  bunkers, you're fine with them being identical because that's
• 51:37
  the whole idea, right? They're basically just an
• 51:40
  extension of the prefab, you know, AB units.
• 51:44
  But this is supposed to be something really special, really
• 51:47
  unique, and yet there's over 100 of them.
• 51:51
  I think that's. Just more of a technical.
• 51:53
  Reason that's that's more of a that's a gameplay reason because
• 51:57
  they maybe they actually learned a lesson.
• 52:00
  That's if you have let, like everyone said already, if
• 52:04
  there's a line of ships out in front of it you, you're not
• 52:06
  going to it's it's, it's not going to matter.
• 52:10
  It could be it could be a well organized.
• 52:12
  Queue. We can fix that with.
• 52:14
  Shovels with shovels. Shovels.
• 52:18
  Shovels. Oh, shuttles.
• 52:20
  Well, that's. What they did with the worm
• 52:22
  facilities. The ASD facilities, they used
• 52:24
  shuttles for that. They could you, but you still
• 52:26
  have to. Fly in and land your ship.
• 52:28
  Yeah, right, 'cause. Using the elevator.
• 52:30
  Is. Similar to a shuttle, right?
• 52:33
  I mean if. It came out of a city or.
• 52:34
  Something or like a port. They could just use shuttles
• 52:37
  right? I was gonna say the the
• 52:38
  solution. Is Arc Corp.
• 52:43
  You land it. Arc Corp.
• 52:44
  Then you have to take a shuttle or, you know, a special metro
• 52:49
  system, whatever to if you want to call it, you know, it
• 52:52
  wouldn't necessarily have to be instanced because there's, you
• 52:55
  know, shit. Tons of real estate.
• 52:57
  For them to use under the city. So everyone can be getting
• 53:00
  different facilities. They can look the same, but you
• 53:03
  could have hundreds of them just on that one planet spread out
• 53:08
  and there you go. Like it's fine for everyone
• 53:11
  because they're all the same facility, but it allows them to
• 53:15
  space everyone out and and have them, you know, not on top of
• 53:20
  each other what they're, it looks.
• 53:23
  Like their plans to do for the sewers, right?
• 53:27
  Exactly. Environment.
• 53:29
  Or whatever those end up being, because I thought those were
• 53:33
  going to be kind of this in the sense that it's except I guess
• 53:37
  instance. I think having the multiple.
• 53:43
  Locations for this to, you know, avoid instancing or avoid
• 53:47
  overpopulation is fine as long as it wasn't sending me to
• 53:52
  multiple of them in the same mission chain.
• 53:57
  Right, I definitely agree with that.
• 53:59
  We we need to not have to. Leave the facility, let us go to
• 54:02
  the lobby, let us go to our hangar, and then let us just
• 54:06
  submit. Yeah.
• 54:08
  Well. If the admission is.
• 54:10
  Just to get files, then just submit and admission boom, all
• 54:14
  right, now we send you the next one.
• 54:15
  It's you know it's in the same facility.
• 54:18
  Get the next little bit. Mm hmm.
• 54:21
  See. That Yeah, I wonder if they.
• 54:23
  Did that again for a technical reason that they want to reset
• 54:27
  the environment so it doesn't constantly.
• 54:31
  It's not constantly streamed in. And we all know when something
• 54:35
  is streamed in constantly. Looking at you freight
• 54:38
  elevators, they break, things break.
• 54:41
  Yeah, but couldn't they just do that with the elevator?
• 54:43
  Going to the lobby, then you're in the lobby, and then it can be
• 54:46
  set because no one's in it. Yeah, no, Yeah, I agree.
• 54:49
  Like Lobby? But like, I don't know about,
• 54:53
  I'm worried. It's another instance.
• 54:54
  Of tech debt, right? They've designed the mission
• 54:57
  system like they're already in the process of doing it.
• 55:00
  And part of that is is randomizing, right?
• 55:03
  Like you, you accept the mission and then it's going to give you
• 55:07
  the location to do it based on where you are.
• 55:11
  And maybe they can't make it give you the mission at the same
• 55:15
  location maybe. Have there been?
• 55:20
  Have there been any other mission chains to where you
• 55:23
  complete a mission and then it will give you the next one in
• 55:26
  the exact same location? And I'm I'm asking because I
• 55:28
  don't know, not intentionally. Like what?
• 55:33
  Because one of the first things we did when the resource drive
• 55:38
  started as as as an org was we sat in like an interest at 1:00.
• 55:46
  Of the spawn. Locations for one of like the
• 55:49
  defend missions I believe it was and we.
• 55:53
  Just camped. It like we just sat there taking
• 55:57
  the mission, finishing it and then it would pop again and we
• 56:01
  would take it and refinish it and we did like 5 in a row
• 56:05
  before the servers crash. I.
• 56:13
  Yeah, I. Personally think.
• 56:15
  That having to leave the facility is a good thing.
• 56:20
  I think it forces people to slow down a little bit, which I think
• 56:26
  is important for exploration and investigation missions, because
• 56:31
  if you just want to try to chain these as fast as possible, it's
• 56:33
  like, OK, you're just. Like are you playing the video?
• 56:38
  Game or you just like grinding out a bunch of missions and like
• 56:41
  running from place to place it forces you to like slow down and
• 56:46
  take in the game a little bit sure I I.
• 56:50
  Think that it would. I think the first missions would
• 56:54
  benefit from leaving the facility, but the repeatable
• 56:56
  ones that that should be doable at the same facility.
• 57:02
  I think there's a good compromise there between if
• 57:05
  there's going to be grind required, like you need to drive
• 57:07
  through a Wick a little thing so you're going to have to grind
• 57:10
  them out anyway. I don't mind.
• 57:12
  Leaving for the first. Few missions if there was a
• 57:15
  lower reason. So like like you said, you know,
• 57:19
  it's good that it it slows people down forces kind of make
• 57:21
  it like an actual investigation and, you know, experience all
• 57:26
  the work they've put into the mission design.
• 57:28
  But OK, so make it you know, I go in, I get the personnel file.
• 57:33
  Cool. All right, mission complete.
• 57:35
  Thanks. And then put a timer.
• 57:37
  It's like, you know, you you're not going to get the next
• 57:40
  mission for like 1 in game day or something, you know 'cause
• 57:44
  they're going to analyse that yeah, I like that.
• 57:47
  But the you know the. Fact that I have to.
• 57:48
  Leave to, I don't, I don't know, just because I have to leave and
• 57:52
  then go right back in to get a different file or something.
• 57:55
  It would make me want to, you know, take my cuddy to wherever
• 58:00
  the guy's office is, who's who's running this mission and
• 58:03
  strangle him like. But do you have any idea how?
• 58:06
  Much. I mean, fuel taking off and
• 58:09
  landing from the facility. Just give me the next mission.
• 58:13
  Yeah. The only thing is that.
• 58:15
  There is a lower reason that you are leaving the facility.
• 58:18
  Yeah, It's because you download a hard drive or like a hard data
• 58:23
  that you have to turn in for him to look at.
• 58:26
  They could make it even harder and say you have to go turn it
• 58:30
  into his office in Louisville specifically because I was going
• 58:34
  to say there's there's no real. Reason I just send it to him on
• 58:38
  my mobi glass like I do with everything else.
• 58:41
  Well, no, you drop the. Hard drive into the freight
• 58:43
  elevator like you drive. You drop a hard copy later on,
• 58:47
  but not not the first. Machine there's an There's an
• 58:50
  inconsistency. There because you do you do just
• 58:53
  say, all right, I got it and it's like, OK, great.
• 58:56
  And then other times it's like you got to take that and drop it
• 58:58
  off at a station. It's like what?
• 59:00
  But can I just like e-mail you like?
• 59:04
  It's too big you. Reached the cap of your data?
• 59:08
  Data plan like what's what's up? But right, I guess like you
• 59:11
  said, it's. It's too big, right?
• 59:13
  John Jar Yeah, it's too big. Or it's.
• 59:15
  Security. You can't risk it being hacked
• 59:18
  or stolen or whatever that that is an actually a thing.
• 59:23
  Still, they will have careers, you know, especially for large
• 59:27
  data sets that need to be processed by AI.
• 59:29
  They'll have couriers with hard drives bring something because
• 59:32
  it is faster and more secure to do it that way.
• 59:34
  You. Want to know something else
• 59:38
  that's real that? I thought about that relates
• 59:39
  directly to this game. So we talk about reputation a
• 59:44
  lot in the game. And there's a guy in this in the
• 59:49
  town I live in who was really active and advocated, like went
• 59:54
  to City Hall and went to all the meetings and activated for like
• 59:58
  bike lanes and for stuff for bicyclists.
• 1:00:02
  And he's kind of like locally famous because he got the city
• 1:00:05
  to implement all these different bike lanes and bike stuff for
• 1:00:08
  bicyclists. So now he has such a.
• 1:00:12
  Good reputation around town that he always gets really good
• 1:00:16
  discounts at all the bike stores.
• 1:00:20
  That was his pencil. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:23
  So. CIG.
• 1:00:23
  Just use. That as a model.
• 1:00:27
  And, you know, let's. It's it happens.
• 1:00:29
  It's real though. It's it's even SIM like there's.
• 1:00:34
  Other games that have that if. You're aligned with certain
• 1:00:36
  factions. You get discounts for items that
• 1:00:38
  they produce, but that's another example of something they could.
• 1:00:41
  Have tied this investigation mission into right like give us
• 1:00:45
  a Rep as API and yeah, you can do like the first two missions
• 1:00:50
  and you have to leave the facility and this and that.
• 1:00:53
  You've got to get your Rep up. You know, you've got to be a
• 1:00:55
  level, you know you have to be a trusted Pi or something.
• 1:00:59
  And then all right now, now we know you, you've been vetted.
• 1:01:02
  We need you to go and actually get this hard drive that you
• 1:01:05
  can't just e-mail to us, but you've got to drop it at this
• 1:01:07
  location and stuff. Are we calling them hard drives?
• 1:01:11
  In the future, there's server blades.
• 1:01:14
  Is that what they're called I? Mean.
• 1:01:18
  You still call an SSDA hard drive still, right?
• 1:01:21
  I know, I know. I'm wondering.
• 1:01:22
  If that's how it's just going to be, we we still use the floppy.
• 1:01:25
  Disk save logo even though you know what was the last time
• 1:01:30
  someone used a floppy. Disk, right?
• 1:01:32
  You see that on all. Sorts of things.
• 1:01:34
  Literally, you hear? Stories of kids going wow, I
• 1:01:38
  found I found a physical model of a saved bio icon.
• 1:01:43
  You know you find a 300 floppy. Yeah.
• 1:01:46
  And and you still have. People film stuff.
• 1:01:49
  Things are on tape, you know? Yeah.
• 1:01:54
  It is funny watching shows like. Just just like, not that old,
• 1:01:58
  OK, they're kind of old, but I take Ghost in the show, for
• 1:02:01
  example. In fact, they still use like
• 1:02:03
  floppy disks in that it's just like, wow, OK, you've got
• 1:02:08
  cybernetic implants and you're using a flop.
• 1:02:12
  Those are just. Yeah.
• 1:02:15
  I mean. Star Trek the Original Series, I
• 1:02:18
  mean, they were like, Oh well, we have these data tapes and
• 1:02:21
  then they have these little plastic discs cards.
• 1:02:25
  And it was. A It was a major point of an
• 1:02:27
  episode that their computer was so sophisticated that it could
• 1:02:32
  it could detect and and and listen to sound.
• 1:02:38
  And it was. Like this whole?
• 1:02:39
  Thing and but we are so far beyond all of that stuff now,
• 1:02:46
  which is which is absolutely crazy.
• 1:02:48
  You know, who knows what'll what?
• 1:02:50
  What we're watching now that we think is really awesome but will
• 1:02:53
  be quaint in 20 years. Golly, phones.
• 1:02:57
  We're just going. To have implants or something.
• 1:02:59
  And it's like, why did you carry on a brick with?
• 1:03:02
  You all the time. It's like it was a phone.
• 1:03:05
  Remember when there were computers?
• 1:03:08
  Yeah. What's a computer you were
• 1:03:14
  saying, Anubis? It was when they still have
• 1:03:17
  electricity. A whole different timeline
• 1:03:24
  there. But but yeah, I had no other .0,
• 1:03:29
  OK. OK, OK, OK, OK.
• 1:03:33
  Did. Everyone answer that left that.
• 1:03:35
  Second question. No, I was just if we're calling
• 1:03:40
  them server blades in Star Citizen because we also have the
• 1:03:45
  Herald, which I think about now and again, and the MSR which are
• 1:03:51
  data running ships I don't think CIG thinks about.
• 1:03:54
  Them much? It looks like we can just run.
• 1:03:56
  Data on these little hard drives?
• 1:03:59
  Yeah, that's supposed to be a gameplay.
• 1:04:01
  Loop at some point is data running you.
• 1:04:04
  Know would have been. Data it.
• 1:04:07
  Would have been really cool. Then to require.
• 1:04:09
  Those ships just saying, right? Even if it gets you, we're gonna
• 1:04:14
  make it. Like we're gonna make it so
• 1:04:16
  that. Like you have a server blade
• 1:04:18
  that can only survive if it's in a data ship, Yeah, like it can't
• 1:04:22
  be out of a system for more than for more than 3 minutes or
• 1:04:26
  something, right? It overheats.
• 1:04:27
  It needs the. Cooling capacity and it's like
• 1:04:31
  OK. If you don't have.
• 1:04:32
  One get a friend. Yeah.
• 1:04:34
  To rent. One.
• 1:04:35
  Well, they. Just give you 1 like they did.
• 1:04:37
  You know, they used to give you a cuddy to do that mission on
• 1:04:39
  the rooftop. You'd go up and.
• 1:04:42
  Get the cuddy. Anyone know what I'm talking
• 1:04:44
  about? No.
• 1:04:45
  Oh yeah, no. It was.
• 1:04:49
  Yeah, it was. What's her face?
• 1:04:50
  One of the mission. Givers.
• 1:04:53
  She did that Lady. Yeah, you know the lady.
• 1:04:55
  Yeah. How long ago was this?
• 1:04:57
  Is this? Old man Star Citizen, not that
• 1:05:00
  old is is this. Star Citizen before.
• 1:05:02
  The PlayStation 42.7. Yeah.
• 1:05:07
  Those are the days. And Fritz Roberts was talking
• 1:05:11
  about. Star was still.
• 1:05:12
  Around OK. OK.
• 1:05:16
  But yeah. So they can do that.
• 1:05:17
  You know, they give you a ship, you know that you can.
• 1:05:21
  I think this was before hangers, I think.
• 1:05:22
  So obviously the complexity of, you know, can I store it and
• 1:05:26
  recall it? Is it gone there yet?
• 1:05:29
  But you had a ship that you were supposed to use for the mission.
• 1:05:31
  So they could do that now, like, oh, yeah, you got to go here.
• 1:05:34
  You got to get the Herald, you know, fly this location, get the
• 1:05:38
  data, pause it down on it because if.
• 1:05:41
  You if you wreck. It that's that's on.
• 1:05:43
  You and then I mean they could do the.
• 1:05:45
  Whole thing, right? You got to you got to go to the
• 1:05:47
  facility, get your way through, get the data, get, you know,
• 1:05:50
  upload it into the Herald or whatever.
• 1:05:53
  And then you have to fly the Herald through the jump point to
• 1:05:57
  Pyro, meet some shady dude, and you know he's going to he's
• 1:06:02
  going to take it. I like.
• 1:06:06
  I do like. Yeah, and I like Mingle's idea
• 1:06:09
  of you have to put it in that ship because when you know,
• 1:06:12
  insert lower reason here, it's like quantanium.
• 1:06:15
  You know, you have to send quantanium within a certain 25
• 1:06:19
  minutes or whatever to get refined.
• 1:06:21
  It's just like maybe it could be that the.
• 1:06:24
  The hard drive, which is what we're going to call it, that has
• 1:06:29
  like that has a a death time. On it for security.
• 1:06:33
  Reasons, right? The data can only because they
• 1:06:36
  don't want it to just be transferred from the to the
• 1:06:39
  Herald. They won't want someone to like
• 1:06:40
  knock you out, take the hard drive and then they've got it.
• 1:06:43
  So you've got to get it from the facility.
• 1:06:45
  You've got to get it into your data ship.
• 1:06:47
  It's downloaded now it's it's there and it's safe.
• 1:06:50
  And then when you get to a new facility, it's got to be
• 1:06:52
  transferred to a hard drive. You know, that way, you know, if
• 1:06:56
  the mission's not completed in time, like when the hard drive,
• 1:07:00
  then that data is gone. I love that.
• 1:07:03
  Love that. Idea.
• 1:07:04
  Oh. See you guys.
• 1:07:07
  All right, someone. Someone save this.
• 1:07:09
  Episode. Send it to CIG. e-mail Benoit if
• 1:07:13
  you're listening. Yeah, e-mail Jared.
• 1:07:18
  That's a free idea, Jared. Free idea.
• 1:07:24
  We've solved the data. Problem.
• 1:07:25
  Next one. Comes at a fee though.
• 1:07:27
  So oh, you're what's? The speed on the.
• 1:07:31
  On the on the ships, on the on the like on the Mantis, what's
• 1:07:36
  its top speed? Because when you think.
• 1:07:39
  About data running, it's. Like how is data running even
• 1:07:42
  possibly going to work with the system we have now?
• 1:07:45
  If a mantis and can lock down and and MSR?
• 1:07:49
  If it's faster than the MSR there ain't no way.
• 1:07:52
  Well, the MSR and the are ever. Going to get away.
• 1:07:55
  Yeah, but those are supposed to be two of the.
• 1:07:57
  Fastest ships? Yeah, but both of them?
• 1:07:59
  The Herald. 'S just basically an.
• 1:08:00
  Engine with a a wheel on it. So I would say the Herald could
• 1:08:04
  probably get. Away and I think the idea of the
• 1:08:06
  MSR is maybe it can fight its way out as well so.
• 1:08:12
  I mean you. Know obviously not in the state.
• 1:08:14
  It's in, but they gotta work. But theoretically it could take
• 1:08:17
  out a mantis. I think I should better take out
• 1:08:23
  a mantis. Right now.
• 1:08:24
  With the MSR I think. Mantises are too tough.
• 1:08:28
  I think the idea of both of them is that.
• 1:08:30
  They're going to be able to collect data as well, you know,
• 1:08:34
  that goes into the exploration. I'd like to see.
• 1:08:36
  A lot of that, yeah. Exploration ships in.
• 1:08:40
  General. Have upgraded computers, so like
• 1:08:43
  the 400 I the care. They've got better computers to
• 1:08:46
  start with, but you've got that. You've got that trade off if you
• 1:08:49
  want to use your computer for data, data storage.
• 1:08:53
  Data storage. Damn.
• 1:08:55
  Damn in the data. Storage or do you want to use it
• 1:08:59
  for scanning or research or whatever?
• 1:09:05
  And I think that's where the speed of.
• 1:09:06
  The data wireless comes in right, They're built to just get
• 1:09:09
  that data from one spot to the other as fast as possible,
• 1:09:14
  whereas. You know the the.
• 1:09:15
  Cataracts built to be out there collecting data, analyzing, you
• 1:09:20
  know, surviving for long periods of time.
• 1:09:24
  I feel like the way you're. Describing it.
• 1:09:26
  Is exploration ships are going to kind of be Jack of all trade.
• 1:09:30
  They can go far, they're pretty fast, They can scan, they can
• 1:09:34
  collect data, but they can probably do everything, you
• 1:09:36
  know, kind of. I think that's the idea for
• 1:09:38
  sure. Yeah.
• 1:09:39
  And then compared to the. The ships that specialize in
• 1:09:42
  those very specific things, right?
• 1:09:45
  Yeah. The other.
• 1:09:46
  Characters is the Enterprise right supposed to be out there?
• 1:09:49
  Five year mission, exploring new worlds, new civilizations, and
• 1:09:55
  then shooting the ones you don't like and boldly go may the
• 1:09:58
  force. Be with them all exactly.
• 1:10:01
  Always. Wow.
• 1:10:05
  Indeed. Indeed.
• 1:10:06
  So say we all. So am I.
• 1:10:08
  The only one I I. Prefer the cargo mission.
• 1:10:11
  Oh wow. Oh yeah, I was going to say
• 1:10:12
  every. Everybody said ASD, but I'm
• 1:10:15
  dude, I'm with you now and so. This was one of the few of these
• 1:10:21
  new missions things that I've put in a lot of time too.
• 1:10:24
  And there were a couple of reasons that one it's you don't
• 1:10:28
  have. To complete it in one sitting.
• 1:10:30
  And as someone who's procreated possibly more than they should
• 1:10:34
  have, you know, I, I don't always have as much time to play
• 1:10:37
  as I'd like. So I like that I could come in,
• 1:10:39
  I could, you know, do one or two runs, you know, 20-40 minutes.
• 1:10:44
  And I made progress towards my overall goal.
• 1:10:48
  And I usually don't like grindy things.
• 1:10:50
  Like I didn't love necessarily the mission that I was doing,
• 1:10:54
  but I liked that I was able to come and like do it and come
• 1:10:58
  back and go. And I also liked the I was in it
• 1:11:03
  for the paints. I mean, I'm not, I'm not as big
• 1:11:06
  on the FPS side of the game. Part of that I feel like, you
• 1:11:11
  know, a server is always janky when I'm trying to do it and
• 1:11:13
  it's frustrating. But I wanted I wanted stuff for
• 1:11:17
  my ships. You know, the game it's it's a
• 1:11:20
  lot of it is about the spaceships.
• 1:11:22
  And I just love the fact that I was going to get paints.
• 1:11:25
  Now, if my dreams were really met, the paints would no longer
• 1:11:28
  physical items that I had to be in my home hanger and have, but
• 1:11:35
  that's another story entirely. But yeah, that's that was why I
• 1:11:38
  kind of preferred it. And again, I wasn't, I didn't
• 1:11:43
  have to just, I didn't have to dissell.
• 1:11:46
  My my. Belief and going to the same
• 1:11:49
  facilities over and over and stuff like it was just no I'm
• 1:11:52
  guy I've got a ship and I'm hauling cargo and that worked
• 1:11:57
  for me within you know the realism of the game yeah I.
• 1:12:04
  Like, I like that. I like how the narrative.
• 1:12:05
  Makes sense for me that it. Means a lot to me.
• 1:12:09
  That the narrative because I like I really like these ASD
• 1:12:12
  missions I do not like that it's 120 of them because.
• 1:12:18
  This, I mean star students. Is about immersion.
• 1:12:20
  Right. I mean, if there's one thing
• 1:12:21
  that keeps me coming back to this game year after year and
• 1:12:25
  and spending so much time on it is it just feels different,
• 1:12:31
  right? When I'm playing Call of Duty or
• 1:12:35
  Halo or something, I mean, I'm just, I'm playing a game, I'm
• 1:12:37
  running around, I'm shooting stuff.
• 1:12:40
  But when you're in Star Citizen, I mean, you're, I'm, I'm the
• 1:12:42
  dude, I'm the dude that's flying the ship, you know, I'm the guy
• 1:12:45
  that's, that's walking around. I'm moving boxes.
• 1:12:48
  It's, it's me and they're doing that stuff.
• 1:12:52
  So that's why like you said, I I do value that a lot.
• 1:12:59
  Yeah, and and I'm going to ask out that chick.
• 1:13:01
  From from our Corp next time I talk to her.
• 1:13:06
  Oh yeah, she's. She's a cutie.
• 1:13:08
  They, they know my type. She's like.
• 1:13:11
  Hey, what you doing my? And I'm like, what are you
• 1:13:14
  doing? What she was.
• 1:13:20
  Like I thought she was kind of a punk chick, but apparently she's
• 1:13:24
  like an Australian mobster. I pictured an eyebrow ring.
• 1:13:30
  Oh yeah, there's definitely an eyebrow ring.
• 1:13:31
  That's that goes without saying, little purple.
• 1:13:35
  Little purple highlights. In the hair, maybe, but she's
• 1:13:37
  still, you know, she's still dressed for.
• 1:13:39
  Work though, you know. Where'd you get?
• 1:13:41
  Is she sending you pics? Yeah, you don't get pics.
• 1:13:45
  I haven't gotten any pics. I haven't.
• 1:13:46
  Asked but I'm going to tier 5 first and.
• 1:13:49
  Then. Yeah, he he couldn't get to Tier
• 1:13:52
  5. On his own.
• 1:13:53
  Maybe that's why she didn't send it to him.
• 1:13:54
  Secret Tier 6. Oh, Ouch.
• 1:13:58
  Ouch. It's true, but it still hurts.
• 1:14:00
  Brandy hurts because it's true. Probably.
• 1:14:03
  Yeah, I hope. I hope.
• 1:14:04
  The same. Sentiment can be said to Chris
• 1:14:07
  Roberts and CIG that. When we say things that are
• 1:14:10
  true. Maybe it hurts a little bit, but
• 1:14:13
  that's why. Because it's true.
• 1:14:15
  We only say it because we care. Too, Yeah.
• 1:14:20
  But then again, that's the same thing that like.
• 1:14:21
  My mother says to me and I'm like, Oh no, you don't have to
• 1:14:24
  say it Stuff, though. Well, it's because.
• 1:14:26
  I care, all right. How do you feel about this?
• 1:14:31
  The. Show today Duke, I feel.
• 1:14:34
  I feel pretty. Good, pretty good.
• 1:14:36
  We we didn't. We have no.
• 1:14:37
  We didn't. We didn't talk about our sponsor
• 1:14:39
  at all though. Oh, we didn't talk about our.
• 1:14:41
  Sponsor at all? Anubis, do we have our sponsor
• 1:14:45
  today? Do we hold on, let.
• 1:14:49
  Me let me look at notepad here. We should, we should really put
• 1:15:00
  some you can. Do you can do the zone?
• 1:15:02
  You can do the zone. Hopefully it's ready by now.
• 1:15:05
  Come on, I'm happy. We both did it, Yeah, had some
• 1:15:07
  good. Royalty free music.
• 1:15:10
  That's the best one. Wow, OK.
• 1:15:18
  Let's see if you don't have it. We've got some wordy shit, but.
• 1:15:22
  You know that doesn't help. OK, give me.
• 1:15:25
  Can you give me two? Lines 'cause they they only they
• 1:15:29
  only yeah, they only purchase like 5 seconds, 4 seconds, but
• 1:15:33
  I'm. Generous.
• 1:15:35
  All right, well. You know Volt.
• 1:15:39
  Is a wonderful. Company, because in times gone
• 1:15:42
  by, the trusty Taser was on your side.
• 1:15:45
  With Volt, it's on everyone's side and the walls and your team
• 1:15:48
  mates. Next time you're in a contested
• 1:15:50
  zone, show them that what unlimited power truly means with
• 1:15:54
  Volt's line of electric more than lethal wireless devices
• 1:15:59
  available at Walmart, hey? Well done you.
• 1:16:03
  Mean. You mean Kelter?
• 1:16:04
  You had it? Yeah.
• 1:16:07
  It's. You got to find the Walmart.
• 1:16:11
  Yeah, it's exciting to know that Walmart.
• 1:16:12
  Still exists. Oh it it will it.
• 1:16:15
  Will Oh yeah, when the earth is just a single.
• 1:16:17
  Rock floating in space. There'll be a pristine Walmart
• 1:16:20
  stuck on top of it somehow. There's a pristine Walmart.
• 1:16:26
  There's a jump. Point to.
• 1:16:28
  The Walmart, the Walmart system in every single star system and
• 1:16:32
  it just somehow that worked out. All jump points lead to
• 1:16:36
  Arkansas. Yeah, Oh, my goodness.
• 1:16:42
  All right. Well at the end of the show
• 1:16:44
  mingle. This was your first episode, so
• 1:16:46
  you may or may not know this and by the end of every.
• 1:16:50
  Episode I go around. And I ask everybody if they have
• 1:16:53
  something like to say to CIG Chris Roberts for the people on
• 1:16:57
  the Internet, we tend to go to go backwards.
• 1:17:00
  So, Minglewood, is there anything you'd like to say to
• 1:17:01
  CIG, Chris Roberts, or the people on the Internet?
• 1:17:10
  Mingle. Yeah, I'm sorry.
• 1:17:13
  I'm. Just.
• 1:17:15
  I'm just thinking do do. Do do do do do do.
• 1:17:21
  Yeah, I don't I don't I. Don't know man, just a touch
• 1:17:26
  grass. That's what I want to say.
• 1:17:28
  That's what I'm talking about. Summer's.
• 1:17:30
  Almost over. Touch.
• 1:17:32
  Grass. There you go going.
• 1:17:34
  To rain tomorrow. Dogs pooing.
• 1:17:36
  Grass. All right, all right.
• 1:17:40
  I guess Lord Anubis is. Next, Lord Anubis.
• 1:17:46
  Yeah, we'll do. Anubis.
• 1:17:47
  Anubis. Anything else they say Aggie
• 1:17:48
  'cause wrappers with people on Internet, dogs, poo and grass.
• 1:17:53
  Sage. All right.
• 1:17:54
  Was that to Chris? Roberts or the Internet?
• 1:17:57
  Oh yeah. That was to Chris Roberts.
• 1:18:02
  OK, Yeah, yeah. Broccoli.
• 1:18:05
  Rob, is there anything? You'd like to say to CIG, Chris?
• 1:18:07
  Roberts or the people? On the Internet.
• 1:18:10
  Yeah, keep doing these exploration.
• 1:18:13
  Missions. I think they're great.
• 1:18:15
  I really like story content. I think it's a necessary thing
• 1:18:19
  for the universe and people on the Internet.
• 1:18:22
  Something I just saw buy some ships with Tier 2 medical beds.
• 1:18:28
  That's it, boy. What do you what do you mean?
• 1:18:31
  What do you see that's. A whole.
• 1:18:34
  Other yeah, they they updated. Some medical.
• 1:18:38
  Beds stuff tier threes are not not going to let you respond
• 1:18:43
  anymore Soon we're getting ready to put to release the the.
• 1:18:48
  Apollo, that's positive. Get get hype for Apollo, get
• 1:18:53
  hype for. Apollo, I'm hype.
• 1:18:54
  Tour. So what ships have Tier 2 beds?
• 1:18:58
  Does the Cutlass have tier? Two, I think so.
• 1:19:01
  Sure it doesn't, no. The Cutty red it's not.
• 1:19:05
  It's tier 3. What about the Ursa?
• 1:19:09
  The Rover? Nope, that's the.
• 1:19:12
  Funniest one? It does not good.
• 1:19:15
  That's all I. Really care about.
• 1:19:19
  That was good. That was good information.
• 1:19:20
  Broccoli. Rob, you were holding out on us.
• 1:19:22
  Yeah. I I just saw it.
• 1:19:25
  I just everyone. Check Reddit, I saw it earlier.
• 1:19:28
  And I didn't want to bring it up.
• 1:19:32
  How about Yeah, sorry last week? Yeah, what the heck?
• 1:19:35
  Just. Came out like this week.
• 1:19:37
  I think are you trying? To are you trying?
• 1:19:39
  To sabotage? No, no, no.
• 1:19:41
  I was saving sabotage Duke show I was.
• 1:19:44
  Saving it for more contests. For the next.
• 1:19:47
  Episode yeah listen all the. Next episode will be.
• 1:19:51
  Spicy. Listen all y'all, it's a
• 1:19:53
  sabotage. All right, Cosmic hobo.
• 1:20:00
  Anything you want to say to CIG, Chris Roberts, or the people on
• 1:20:02
  the Internet? Use these ASD facilities as.
• 1:20:07
  Foundations for. Future bunker designs and please
• 1:20:13
  make the. Current bunkers.
• 1:20:16
  Way more, better add fours. Add more to them.
• 1:20:20
  They're oldest shit. And randomness.
• 1:20:22
  Little bit of randomness. Yeah, bunker missions.
• 1:20:25
  I'm not usually one for procedural.
• 1:20:27
  Stuff too much, but those bunker missions perfect candidate for
• 1:20:32
  for procedural generation. They have next to no story of
• 1:20:37
  any kind, and aren't they're they're not good in their
• 1:20:41
  current form. They need to be.
• 1:20:42
  Procedural generation is impossible in a space game.
• 1:20:45
  No one's ever done it. Before are you?
• 1:20:50
  What are you? Are you trying to start
• 1:20:52
  something or what's going on here?
• 1:20:53
  Are you triggering me? You make you make me want to
• 1:20:56
  play Elite Dangerous. You you want to?
• 1:20:58
  Fight you want you. Want to fight?
• 1:21:01
  I'll fight all. Y'all Speaking of speaking?
• 1:21:04
  Of fights. Speaking of fights, we are going
• 1:21:06
  to have a bar. Citizen in DC for a citizen con
• 1:21:09
  direct. Oh yeah, I'll make that my
• 1:21:11
  thing. My my message to everyone.
• 1:21:14
  Is that go to your local bar citizen?
• 1:21:18
  And if you're on the East Coast, well you have like 2 options.
• 1:21:22
  So Congrats, you have Jersey, you have DC.
• 1:21:27
  I am not sure of any others that are hosting a live stream on the
• 1:21:32
  anywhere east of the Mississippi that is.
• 1:21:35
  Yeah, if you're on the West. Coast apparently FU.
• 1:21:41
  There's no bar citizens, so drink alone in your room.
• 1:21:46
  You leave Anubis. You got to set that up next
• 1:21:49
  year, actually, hopefully we're physically.
• 1:21:51
  Drinking, drinking alone in my room.
• 1:21:54
  Yeah, yeah. Just plan.
• 1:21:56
  Ahead. Well.
• 1:21:58
  When I play with you guys, I drink and it's basically.
• 1:22:01
  The same as drinking alone. Yeah, next year, next year I
• 1:22:05
  expect to be playing. Squadron 40. 2 with Mark Hamill.
• 1:22:08
  Can you just grab him over? He's going to like no at at
• 1:22:14
  Citizen Khan. 2026. Anything less than that will be
• 1:22:19
  unacceptable. Thought you knew?
• 1:22:20
  Him and. Also, well, sorry I'll false
• 1:22:23
  alarm. On the medical treatment thing,
• 1:22:25
  it's it's. Not a real thing.
• 1:22:26
  It wasn't even true. Forget that said anything.
• 1:22:28
  Yeah, I was looking that up. I wanted to look it up just to
• 1:22:32
  be sure. It's outdated, more outdated.
• 1:22:36
  It was like 2 minutes ago and. Anyone that had to leave the
• 1:22:39
  show. Like 2 minutes ago is now
• 1:22:41
  walking. Out into the world with false
• 1:22:43
  information, Yeah, it's great. They're going to go to 1000
• 1:22:45
  people. They're going to learn COG.
• 1:22:49
  Where open comms? Radio.
• 1:22:52
  They told. Me the latest.
• 1:22:55
  Told me the latest CIG is going to nerf all the Med bits.
• 1:22:57
  No, we trained to. AI with bad info the.
• 1:23:01
  AIS that listen to us, they're going to have bad.
• 1:23:03
  Info. Look, we don't need you to
• 1:23:05
  comment on the video. On YouTube, we.
• 1:23:09
  Just need you to go on the spectrum, tell them spectrum
• 1:23:13
  like my wife's on the spectrum, we go on.
• 1:23:16
  This you know what I. Mean I have spectrum mobile.
• 1:23:20
  You tell them. That you want the the.
• 1:23:23
  Medical beds. You don't want those tier threes
• 1:23:25
  to respawn bodies anymore, yeah? I know, I know, like and it's
• 1:23:33
  not. You heard it here.
• 1:23:34
  On open comms. Radio it.
• 1:23:37
  It's not capable of like like. Repairing a.
• 1:23:40
  A gaping chest wound but you know it can just resin print you
• 1:23:45
  an entirely new body. What the hell is that?
• 1:23:48
  Shit does not make sense. There isn't even enough room in
• 1:23:51
  like. Danersa to have the goo
• 1:23:54
  necessary to print out a new me. And I'm not even a big guy.
• 1:23:58
  That's got to be such an easy addition too.
• 1:24:02
  That's got to be just like they just fucking change zero to A1
• 1:24:07
  somewhere. I know I'm sounding stupid, but
• 1:24:10
  that can't be like a difficult. Implementation.
• 1:24:12
  To like these. Beds responding when these beds
• 1:24:14
  don't well, can I, can I say I mean, this is this is the
• 1:24:17
  perplexing thing is. That they control all the
• 1:24:21
  dynamics in this game. And it doesn't make any sense to
• 1:24:25
  me that they don't have dynamic mission making, that they don't
• 1:24:29
  have, you know, modular facilities that could just be
• 1:24:35
  rearranged. I mean.
• 1:24:36
  The the the stations don't even really have any variety that it
• 1:24:41
  doesn't really make sense talking about the inside of the
• 1:24:45
  stations that. Was a modular test.
• 1:24:49
  That's that is modularity there there are different.
• 1:24:51
  Modules they use there and I think what they found there was
• 1:24:54
  that it didn't deliver. You know, it was supposed to be
• 1:24:57
  this thing like they were just going to give it a few
• 1:24:59
  parameters and it was going to create all these internal spaces
• 1:25:04
  and it didn't. They tried it and they said, you
• 1:25:06
  know, it just, it was not good enough, which I appreciate.
• 1:25:09
  I mean, if they did it and they were like this kind of looks
• 1:25:11
  like shit, then that's fine. Scrap it, you know, move on, do
• 1:25:16
  something different. But the but the fact that they
• 1:25:19
  don't have their own themes, you know that they don't.
• 1:25:21
  Have their own, you know, kind of true.
• 1:25:26
  It doesn't really make any sense because they've had 12.
• 1:25:29
  Years. These are not hard things that
• 1:25:32
  they they can just simply change textures.
• 1:25:35
  They could just simply change a little something, you know, just
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  a just a tiny bit. You know, they don't need to
• 1:25:41
  change much because the outside of the stations are different.
• 1:25:45
  Yeah, well, the. Argument can be made that they
• 1:25:48
  are. Themed.
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  They're all themed. As.
• 1:25:50
  Rough and Ready, which is the company that makes the space
• 1:25:53
  stations. True, Yeah, but I mean, you
• 1:25:57
  know, rest and. Relax.
• 1:25:59
  Yeah, rest and relax, I said. Rough.
• 1:26:01
  And ready you. Said rough and ready just.
• 1:26:03
  Rest, rest and relax. Thank.
• 1:26:05
  You. I mean.
• 1:26:06
  Even then, the only thing we have different is grim hacks.
• 1:26:09
  Which is is really cool, but there should be more variety
• 1:26:14
  around everything. You know, the fact that
• 1:26:17
  everything's pretty much just a a close clone to each other, it
• 1:26:21
  doesn't really quite make sense. You know, you would think that
• 1:26:25
  you know, out out out near Microtech, they have a different
• 1:26:28
  quite. You know little.
• 1:26:29
  Little decoration, you know difference in in culture and you
• 1:26:35
  know the NPCS that you'll see. You know, different foods, but
• 1:26:41
  it's just. Power changes.
• 1:26:42
  That time. I I.
• 1:26:46
  I can. See why if we had multiple
• 1:26:48
  systems, I. Would agree with that, but we're
• 1:26:50
  talking Corporatopia here. We've lived in Corporatopia for
• 1:26:55
  10 years and of course it would all look very similar.
• 1:26:58
  It's Corporatopia, but Everest Harbor should not look exactly
• 1:27:02
  like Seraphim Station. Yeah.
• 1:27:04
  I mean it's corporate, but they very different.
• 1:27:06
  I think that actually. Makes the argument that they
• 1:27:09
  should look different because these corporations just like the
• 1:27:13
  real life corporations, right? They put so much efforts and
• 1:27:17
  money into establishing their brand and their structure and
• 1:27:21
  and convincing people to be. Loyal to that.
• 1:27:24
  I mean, I'm walking around to am I wearing?
• 1:27:27
  I've probably got like a Patagonia shirt, you know?
• 1:27:31
  And why, why why do I have? That because they've.
• 1:27:34
  Tied their brand into certain things that I bought into and I
• 1:27:38
  bought the shirt and it. It doesn't take much to change
• 1:27:42
  these things to just spice. It up, add a little bit of
• 1:27:45
  culture, make the make the Galaxy seem a little bigger.
• 1:27:50
  Yeah. I mean, I think that's an
• 1:27:51
  inflammatory comment. Come on.
• 1:27:53
  I will, yeah, I think, I think saying whenever somebody says
• 1:27:56
  it's easy to do. Something like that.
• 1:27:58
  It's just. It's just make, just make the
• 1:28:00
  game, you know, just just make the game.
• 1:28:02
  Why haven't? They made the game yet?
• 1:28:04
  Why isn't that 1.0 yet? I do think.
• 1:28:06
  That. Oh God, no, no, go ahead.
• 1:28:11
  I. Think that well, low orbital
• 1:28:14
  stations. Should look like the landing
• 1:28:16
  zones, but I think that LaGrange points and like the random space
• 1:28:19
  stations. I think being rough and ready
• 1:28:23
  Jesus Christ be rest and relax. What's going on should is
• 1:28:27
  extremely too much time in pyro with just being like hey we.
• 1:28:32
  Need some space? Stations out here, can the space
• 1:28:35
  station company come out and do those?
• 1:28:36
  It's like, yeah, sure. Here you go.
• 1:28:38
  Here's a bunch of space stations and they're rest and relax
• 1:28:42
  because that's what we do, right?
• 1:28:44
  I mean, I, I see that. I agree with that.
• 1:28:47
  Maybe one day. We'll get alternatives.
• 1:28:50
  Maybe we will get a rough and ready space station.
• 1:28:54
  Wonder what that would look like.
• 1:28:55
  They already have heart rate. Checkmate Station.
• 1:29:00
  Yeah, the. Rough and ready is just because
• 1:29:04
  they saw the. R and the R from rest and relax
• 1:29:06
  and became Co opted yeah that's. What Pyro does, yeah.
• 1:29:12
  They should mess up. Land.
• 1:29:14
  I'd like to see an R Corp station.
• 1:29:16
  They have an. Ecumenopolis, but their space
• 1:29:18
  station. Is is the rest and relax right?
• 1:29:21
  Like what I feel? I feel like there's so much
• 1:29:23
  missing from from R Corp. They should be.
• 1:29:26
  A much bigger, a much bigger deal.
• 1:29:29
  I mean, they can cover a whole planet in a city.
• 1:29:31
  I do like yeah, I do like your point having whatever is in
• 1:29:34
  orbit of R Corp. Also be themed to R Corp.
• 1:29:37
  Yeah, yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's in, it's
• 1:29:40
  Trantor. I mean like.
• 1:29:44
  Yeah, I think that's a cool enough ask.
• 1:29:46
  And I and you can have some mixed, you know.
• 1:29:48
  Depending on what the corporation is, I get it.
• 1:29:51
  I mean, even textures like like it it it's.
• 1:29:56
  It it, you know, it doesn't sound like much in the span of
• 1:30:00
  time that they've all looked the same.
• 1:30:04
  True. Hey guys.
• 1:30:05
  I got to slide. Off the couch.
• 1:30:06
  Thanks for having me. Yeah.
• 1:30:08
  We're going to end the show right here.
• 1:30:09
  Thank you, Mingle. Thank you for coming in.
• 1:30:11
  First time caller Minglewood. Good friend, always there to
• 1:30:15
  help. So.
• 1:30:18
  Duke. Yes, Duke, we did it.
• 1:30:22
  We did it. I.
• 1:30:24
  Did it first. Time we did it.
• 1:30:27
  Very special thank you to. Lord.
• 1:30:29
  Nubis Cosmic Hobo Brock the Rob. Minglewood for calling in.
• 1:30:37
  How'd it go, Duke? I think it went well.
• 1:30:40
  I feel good. All right.
• 1:30:43
  You want to play us out? No, that's that's kind of.
• 1:30:49
  That's part of the stick. Part of the job description I
• 1:30:54
  didn't. Read that part What do I?
• 1:30:56
  Play, I don't know what. Just play it.
• 1:30:57
  Just play. Us out, man.