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Candlebox · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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It's Deprogram, the podcast where we try to get you into a
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band. That's right.
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We've done all the work for you. All you have to do is press play
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and listen. And you can call me band
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curious. My name is Justin.
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I'm your humble host and I like to get together with my friends
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and talk about bands and find out why it is that they love
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them. Or in this case, why a band
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doesn't get more attention today we are going to be talking about
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Candlebox and you know, our 90s panel of either forgotten or
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under respected or whatever you want to call it bands.
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We're back together again. You know, we did live Bush, you
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know, a bunch, a bunch of bands like that last year.
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And we still have the panel together on Discord.
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And Brian, like I, I want to say we were getting something else
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together and you kind of hopped in there and you were like, hey,
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what about Candlebox? Yeah, yeah, it just came up.
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I don't know. I don't know.
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I was listening to like one of the newer Candlebox albums or
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songs or something like that. And also I'm like, oh, we should
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talk about that on the program. Then I'm like, oh, you know, I'm
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just going to, I'm just going to bombard this panel and be like,
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yeah, so let's all do candle box.
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Makes makes sense. Makes perfect sense to me.
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Yeah, I, I thought I'd be perfect.
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It was it's, you know, it's one of those bands it's actually
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good that I'm doing with with with Peter because it was the
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same to me. This is the same thing is what
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happened to me with Blind Melon, where I got the first album and
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I loved it. I played it all the time and it
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stayed in rotation. Like I, I try to listen to like
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the first Kindle box album, like I don't know, like at least once
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every couple months, like I'll put it on and it was like one of
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my favorite albums when it came out.
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And then I just never went farther until like, later in
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life. It wasn't until later I was
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like, you know, I should, you know, give Kindle box, like, you
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know, more of a listen. And they just, they they say
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again, yeah, they seem like one of those overheated bands.
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They were like, I'm sure we'll get into this, but they were
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labeled like a fake grunge band because they were from Seattle,
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but didn't break out until like a year or two after everybody
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else did. And it just like, I don't know,
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people. I don't know what people's
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problem with them was, you know, you know, because like you hear
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all the stories about back in the day about like, you know,
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Lane and Chris Cornell being friends forever.
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And, you know, like, even when Eddie, who was from, you know,
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San Diego came up like, you know, like, like he was a
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roommate with Chris and, and like, you know, they were all
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tied to Andy, Andy Wood. And but you never heard anything
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about like Kevin Martin, but that like that name never came
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up. And I don't know, they just
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became like hated for some reason.
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It is interesting. And Peter, you'd, you'd
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mentioned this in in the chat and I kind of already referenced
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it in this conversation. Like this is just kind of one of
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those bands, right? So you kind of almost
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immediately were like, yeah, man, I'll do Candlebox.
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So talk to me about it. Yeah, I've, I've liked them from
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the first album on and I really liked the second album Lucy.
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And I think the main reason why they were hated was also
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because, you know, they were from Seattle but didn't run in
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the same crowds as the other guys did.
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But also because they were the first bands signed to Madonna's
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album label, Serve. Serve.
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I was like, fuck those guys. But I mean, musically, they were
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good. I mean, they kind of have a
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Pearl Jam vibe, but not really. Yeah.
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I just, I just think they're, I just think they deserve another
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look by people. Yeah, this is what I what I came
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to and you know, we'll get into specifics as we as we go to the
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songs. You know, it's they're very
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clearly kind of put in that one hit wonder category, maybe even
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less than considered one hit wanderer, like possibly
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considered just, you know, just forgotten, you know, just a
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band. And it's it's interesting.
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I never had any strong feelings about this band, but like the
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two songs I knew going in, I remember when they came out
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really liking them, but never enough to buy the record, never
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enough to follow up with them because I didn't buy the record,
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you know? And I don't remember anything
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else from them period. Like after I don't I don't
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recall the the second record coming out and to any kind of
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fanfare. I don't recall any radio play
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for that. But I mean, you can still hear
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the two songs on rock stations here.
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So they did something right, you know, like the I I don't want to
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like, you know, gloss this band as like, oh man, you're really
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missing out on some really amazing band like.
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But I do think any hate that they get is completely
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unwarranted. And I do think it's kind of it
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does kind of live very comfortably next to that live
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category of they have one really great record.
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I'd argue they have two. Like their first two are really
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good and then they have more records, you know, like they
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kept going and it's I don't know, you know, I, I think the
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most apartment would be like to compare them to not a surf, like
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not sound wise, but like not a surf somehow I guess changed
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their sound enough to like kind of get embraced by the indie
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crowd, which ultimately I think is what happened to candle
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boxes. They didn't modify their sound
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in a way that they could get adopted by some other crowd.
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But I mean, if you're guys our age, you're into alt music,
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there's no reason you shouldn't like Candlebox, at least the
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first two records. There's, there's literally no
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reason for it. We, we, we took a select
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selection here, Brian, like we didn't take everything 'cause
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surprisingly there's, there's a lot.
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So when we finally narrowed it down to the six that we were
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going to take, like as you start kind of going through this, like
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what are you looking forward to pull out for your 20?
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I figured just the ones that grabbed me the most, you know, I
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I know that the first album was a big hit.
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So I did kind of the same thing I did with Bush, where when we
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did Bush, I was like, all right, well, let me find the songs that
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sound like the first album deeper in the Discog and try to
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pull those forward. But I kind of did that with
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this, but I kind of did it. There are a couple songs and
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like in like the last two albums on the playlist anyway, they
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went kind of a different direction, a little more pop
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rock, a couple a couple songs. I was like, is this Foo
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Fighters? Because like, it sounded more
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like a Foo Fighters type song, you know, a lot more like, you
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know, radio friendly. But yeah, I kind of just went
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with it. It was tough to do.
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Like I, I really struggled and I, I knew I would struggle with
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pickling, picking which songs off the first album I would use.
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But I did really struggle later on with the, with the other
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tracks as to like what I would take and what it takes.
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So it's pretty much just whatever, whatever grows to the
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top for me. So Peter, you know, as somebody
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who kind of rode with the band for a little while, like what,
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what are you looking at? Cause again, some of this is new
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to you as well. Like we're at least, you know,
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revisited. What are you looking to to bring
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forward when when you start putting your 20 together?
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My list is a little front loaded, admittedly, because I
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followed them up until Happy Pills and then I kind of fell
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off from there. But then I listened to the rest
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of their stuff and I was like, yeah, there's some good shit
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here. But I also wanted to point out
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the songs that weren't the big hits that I think people would
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like. And there's a lot of songs from
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the first three albums that weren't singles that I think
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people would appreciate. I think I kind of fell into that
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same category as you period. Like I'm definitely front
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loaded. And the only reason I don't have
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the entirety of the 1st 2, which you know, is an old trope that
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that we come back to on this show is because I did appreciate
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the albums after that. I did, I did enjoy them.
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I, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't like, you know, none of
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this deserves to be here. It was it was more so the job
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here is to get somebody into the band.
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And I think our best way to do that is to front load and go,
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hey, by the way, also these later records have stuff.
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So, you know, it could make gameplay hard.
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But I feel like kind of to your point, Peter, that that the
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stuff beyond the hits on the first two could really grab
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somebody because they're good. And, you know, I I hesitate to
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say the word shocked at how much I enjoyed the first record
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because that always happens with with especially with bands like
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these where I kind of finally push play.
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You know, most recently we did this with Everclear.
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I finally pushed play and I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, duh.
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Like, OK, I this is essentially in my wheelhouse anyway.
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Like there's no way I wasn't going to like it, you know?
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Is it a top 10 record? No, but like, it's a record that
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deserves my ear. So yeah, like it feels like, I
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don't know, like the the hits here, I don't know, I mean, are
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probably going to rise to the top.
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But is there enough, Brian? Is there enough hits that it
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makes the list easy? And based on everything we're
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kind of talking about here, how many do you think we get through
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unanimously? Yeah, that's going to be tough
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because I, you know, there's only, I think there's only a
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couple home runs. I think there's AI think we have
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a solid three or four home runs and then we're going to
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accidentally find each other again.
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So I'm just sticking the, I'm just going to stick in the
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middle. Let's go with 5I.
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Mean, yeah, that seems like the safe play here.
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What do you think, Peter? That's what I was going to take.
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I guess I'll go with six because I think they're, I think we
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might have some surprises here. There's one, there's one that I
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got as an answer a couple times that I don't have on my list
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that I easily could have. And that's the one that's kind
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of throwing me off of the positive train that you took
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Peter of, you know, going up to 6.
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It leads me more towards Brian's five and more towards maybe,
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perhaps 4. But that said, I did get 12345
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songs that people answered that were on my list.
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So I'm going to take a wild swing here.
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Oh boy, I'm going to take a while.
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I don't want it anyway. I don't know why I'm acting like
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this. 8, I'm going to go with eight.
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I don't want to win any. Yeah, I'm going to.
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I'm going to take the wild swing again.
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Hey, man, if we get it, that means we've got 8, correct?
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We've only got one that we got to talk about and then I can
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pick whatever song I want and there we go.
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It means we did well if I win, so I'm for it.
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All right, We are going to take a quick pause and when we come
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back on the other side, we are going to play the game.
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It's to program Jack. And with that, the name of the
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game is deprogrammed. We are now going to the three of
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us have listened to a selection of the Candle Box discography
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and plucked out 20 songs that are now going to match together
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in an attempt to create a top 10 starter kit for you in case you
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have never given Candle Box the time of day.
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And I feel like there's two ways to start this off.
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There's the one like super obvious one and then the other
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one that's slightly less obvious.
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That is the first song by them I heard and I think I'm leaning
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towards that one because this is hilarious because I had
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completely forgotten about this song until we until we started
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doing this. And when it came up, I was like,
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Oh yeah, duh, this is Candle box.
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I forgot. And when I heard it the first
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time I was like, oh man, this is awesome.
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And then when I heard it now I was like, yeah, this is a really
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great song. I feel like it really represents
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them well. And there is a nostalgia play
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here because it kind of did take me back to high school, and
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maybe I'm leaning towards that, but I'm going to start with you.
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Yeah. Yeah, I've got it.
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Right, It's for you. I oh, man, I can't believe I
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forgot that about that song. Like, I mean, it didn't take me
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long. Like those that those first, you
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know, notes. I was like, Oh yeah, duh.
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Dumb bump, bump, bump, bump, bump.
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Like, oh, yeah, cool. All right, hold on.
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Let me let me get that going here.
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My computer is having a hard time.
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Surprisingly enough, I only got that one once when I asked.
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I didn't get a lot of people answering this question.
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So I mean, I'm not surprised to see it show up, but I am
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surprised that I don't know like I I didn't even get any hate
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when I asked this question. Usually you get The Who none
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didn't get any of that either. Interesting.
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So all right, you is in and we're moving over to Brian.
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Wow. All right, Sorry.
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We have a, we have a crazy thunderstorm just just hit.
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Oh nice. Perfect.
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Yeah, I don't. Yeah.
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I don't know if you heard that. That was that was loud.
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OK, I'm going to I'm not going to go for like the for the next
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easy answer. I'm going to go for my easiest
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answer. My favorite song on the first
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album cover Me. Yeah.
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I don't have that one. That is a super easy pushover
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for me because that is 1. Again, I can make a case for
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most of that first record. That one I'm clearly wrong on
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because again, I didn't get a ton of answers, but a lot of
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people or two two of the however many people both answered cover
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me and one of them even said it's their favorite Candlebox
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song. So clearly I was in the wrong
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there. I have no no problem bumping
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that through if there's room for it.
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So I'll be a soft pushover on that one.
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All right, that gets the two gets the hang around Peter.
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I just want to point out that I think it's kind of hilarious
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that on their first album they have a song called You and they
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also have a song called Don't You?
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Yeah. So don't you is my pick for this
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round. Yeah, yeah, I got it.
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I I didn't take don't you? It's only because I I had to
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make some hard cuts. It was one of those songs.
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I'm like, it's just gameplay. Like I knew Justin was going to
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take it because it's the first, you know, first track, you know,
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gets you right into camera box. It starts off with that very
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Soundgarden type sound, you know, So yeah, like it, it
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definitely, definitely hits you with Seattle grunge immediately.
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But yeah. All right, it's a 2 gets to hang
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around. I'll, I'll, you know, I'll leave
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that the other one hanging out there for a little bit because I
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feel like we're going to have it anyway.
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So we can, we can try out some other records here.
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I'm going to move on to Lucy, which again, I was more shocked
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at how much I liked Lucy rather than self-titled because
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self-titled came at a time where I knew I already liked.
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Two of the songs came out at a time that I probably would have
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liked it had I listened to them. Then Lucy is the follow up and I
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was like, oh man, cool. Like I had a lot harder time
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cutting stuff from Lucy than I did self-titled.
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I'll start right off the top. How about simple lessons?
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Yes. Yeah, I've got it.
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Yeah, we got that one as AI. Wonder if that one was a single
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because that was an answer that we got.
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Yeah, that was a single. OK, that makes sense.
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I don't. Remember hearing it on the
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radio. But you know, I don't live in a
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huge market. I live in Hartford.
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So, you know, we don't, we don't always get the best stuff here.
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Well, I, you know, kind of similarly like if if it got
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radio play, I did not hear it. So and that's not the kind of
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pass the buck. So I mean, sure.
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Was it a radio song? Would most candle box fans know
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it? Yes, But if you're like me.
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And didn't hear it on the radio. Then you should.
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And thankfully all three of us had it and agree that yes, you
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should hear this song. So boom, Simple Lessons is in
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Peter. I'm sorry I skipped Brian.
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Yeah, I was going to say. OK, so surprisingly, I hadn't
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heard this record before, but I actually really liked it.
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The album. Hold on a minute.
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What was it called Into the Sun? Like I never heard that record
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before. And I was like, this is actually
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really good. I had a really tough time with
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that cutting songs off it. I'm I'm gonna go off that.
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Let's go with Breathe Me in. Oh.
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What the? Hell no.
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No. Unfortunately, we're going to
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have some of this. All right, now it's your turn,
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Peter. This is probably my favorite
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song from Lucy. I like the way that Kevin's
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voice cracks during the bridge. It's understanding.
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Yes. Well, I can't make it unanimous,
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but it gets the two and gets to hang around all.
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Right. All right, all right, Let's stop
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the nonsense. I thought, I thought one of you
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guys would have, would have taken it because I kept leaving
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it there. I mean, no better time than the
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present. Far behind.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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You know, and this song, you know, first of all, it's good.
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So like, it's not like I wasn't going to take it because it's a
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good song. I could see this being, I could
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see this being our number one. I could see us going away from
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it just because, you know, it's the obvious one.
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But it's just good, man. So like it has to be here, it
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has to be on this list, whether it's the number one or not,
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that's that's for us to decide it at another point.
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It deserves to be on this list. So.
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And I don't remember how long after I made Peter Embers, but
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it came out after quite a bit after the song came out that the
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song was actually about Andy Wood.
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And it was the first time I ever heard, you know, Kevin being in
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that group, you know what I mean?
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But, and again, like it, it felt like, it felt like he wasn't
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like one of the, one of like the cool boys like in Seattle, you
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know, so like he wasn't part of the group.
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But then I don't know, I, I, I think that's just, that's just
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part of like, you know, why they got like, you know, so much
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hate. Like I said, they they, they
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came out two years after everybody else did.
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You know, they took more of the classic, classic rock route like
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Pearl Jam did. But they didn't have Eddie
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Vedder, so they didn't have like, you know, you know, like
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the stage presence or the, like the aura of, you know, Mr.
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Vetter. So yeah, I was actually
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surprised when I found out years later that the song was about
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Andy Wood. But I was like, OK, like, I
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don't know if he's doing that saying that to be a poser or
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what. I I think Andy's death just
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shook the entire scene at the time, yeah.
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Yeah, like the whole town was in mourning.
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Like it just it just it it destroyed like all of Seattle.
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Yeah. Well, and for the record, of
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course, this was the song that got got the most response.
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You know, most people said so. All right, with that, we're up
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to three unanimous. And I feel like the rest of this
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is an open, open ball game, Brian.
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I'm gonna go with title track Lucy.
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No. Wow.
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No. Yeah, I've got it.
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They are right. That's another two and boom.
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And for the record, that is an answer that I got.
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So yet another song that I will be a soft pushover if if we
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need. All right, Peter.
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I'm going to jump to Happy Pills and this song got a little bit
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of radio play in my area so I'm not expecting this to be a home
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run, but 10,000 horses. Yeah, I have it.
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I do not, but it was a a late, late cut did not get that as an
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answer. So I did not assume that it was
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a a radio hit or a radio song. I should say.
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Yeah, anything after Lucy, we probably have to like be
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careful, cautious with the word. But I did see that it was one of
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the top songs on Spotify. So like it did give me like I
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did consider it, I just didn't come back to it.
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So no real reason, just didn't have it.
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All right, I'll try a happy pills track too.
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How about how about the title track?
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Happy Pills? Oh yeah, I've got that one.
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I don't have that one. OK, now I'm starting to feel
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like I should have gone negative, but I think let's see
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358. We're almost out of NTP at
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least. Yeah, we got a couple more I
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think. I think we're going to hit so.
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Brian. Never.
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Know Brian, it is your turn. All right, scrolling messed up.
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OK, This was one of the one of like the single tracks that
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Peter had thrown in the list and I really liked it.
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And then I researched it and found out that it was AB side to
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you. So maybe that's why I liked it,
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because it was belonged to the first album, didn't make the cut
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all the way. Yeah, I got it.
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All right. I don't.
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That's funny. Sometimes sometimes we we bring
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them just because they should be heard, right?
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Like sometimes sometimes. Hey this really should be on our
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list but but. When you go to the, when you go
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to the, when you hit go to album, it says like 2019.
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And I'm like oh heck is this? But then I actually looked it up
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on Wikipedia and found out it was from 93.
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Like it was a beast eye to you so.
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It's funny as I, I pretty much had the same, the same feeling.
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I was like, oh man, this sounds like it.
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It, it probably was something from early on.
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I didn't do the research because yeah, yeah, why would I?
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Why would I know what I'm talking about?
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All right, so it gets a 2 and just like that we're out of NTP.
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Worst case scenario that all 10 songs that have more than one
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person on them go in. So that's our worst case
27:53
scenario at this point. Brian's was pull away.
27:56
So, Peter. Song from the self-titled album
28:03
that I think needs more appreciation is Arrow.
28:08
Yeah, I got it. I don't have Arrow.
28:11
I love that freaking record. That's freaking song too.
28:21
I I have, I have. I have more from the first
28:24
album. I just, I thought it was tough
28:27
cutting those songs. I remember that was on the
28:30
soundtrack to the Woodstock 94 album.
28:37
I always forget about Woodstock 94 because it kind of went off
28:40
without a hitch, whereas 99 of course was a dumpster fire.
28:44
Yeah. I I always remember Woodstock 94
28:48
because 9 inch nails coming out covered in mud doing their set
28:53
like that. Yeah, I remember watching that
28:56
like on like MTV. We showed it like the all the
29:01
mud people, the like a mud fight with Green Day and.
29:07
Yeah, that too. Sounds like a fun time.
29:12
Yeah. All right, I'll try another Lucy
29:15
track. How about drowned?
29:18
Yes. I don't.
29:22
I don't like the way Peter said that because it made me sound
29:25
like I messed up. Well for the record, like it is
29:29
an answer I got. So it seems like it might be a a
29:34
common answer for for some. OK, Brian all.
29:43
Right, I'm going back to myself titled my other favorite track.
29:47
I'm self-titled Blossom. Very good, but no.
29:54
No, Peter, I'm going to try a song from one of the later
30:05
albums. The song sounded like they're
30:10
getting into a little Jeff Buckley territory.
30:13
Yes. This is lover come back to me.
30:17
Yeah, I knew exactly where you're going when you said Jeff
30:19
Buckley. Oh well, we get the two, but I
30:25
don't have it so. It surprised me.
30:29
It's a good, it's a good song. Yeah, yeah.
30:32
As soon as you, I thought the same thing.
30:35
And as soon as you said Jeff Buckley, I'm like, yes.
30:40
Looks like we're going to have ourselves a little conversation
30:42
here. I mean, we may not be anywhere
30:44
near any of us getting a final say, but we're going to have
30:49
ourselves a conversation. All right, all, try a later
31:01
record 1. How about something off of Into
31:03
the Sun? How about a kiss before dying?
31:07
I don't have that one. No, I don't.
31:09
Bend. OK.
31:12
All right. It was bound to happen
31:13
eventually. All right, Brian.
31:22
Pardon me, wants to go in order here.
31:24
How about blinders? No, no all.
31:30
Right, I'm just drinking out Peter.
31:38
Yeah, I guess I'm going to go back to the first album change.
31:46
Yes. It one of the few few regrets
31:53
that I had when. I was, that's the other one that
31:55
I had earmarked is a home run. Oh, really?
31:58
Yeah, I get that. Because like when I went to go
32:02
listen back to it today, I was like, should I try to make room
32:05
for this? And then who wants to do last
32:09
minute work on their list? Not me.
32:12
Yeah. So that's kind of what happened
32:15
there. I was like me, and I really
32:18
probably should have. And to be fair, I probably, I'm
32:21
fairly certain it was on my first pass and I'm fairly
32:25
certain that it made my initial second pass.
32:31
And then it just kind of was one of those last couple cuts that
32:35
had to go. So all right, this one I'm doing
32:44
very poorly on on my paper. All right, well, I'm going to
32:50
try another Lucy track because I've got a mark as this was
32:55
something that got answered. How about best friend?
33:00
Yeah, I've got that one. I don't.
33:03
Interesting. I don't know if we got any any
33:08
more homers in US, which is fine, but this, it just means
33:14
this conversation is going to be brutal.
33:17
Yeah. That's going to be brutal.
33:20
All right. So we'll take that.
33:22
All right, Brian. I think this is the only.
33:29
This is one of the later albums. Yeah.
33:32
This is the only song off this album I took.
33:36
I took it mostly because it was it.
33:41
It's not the Foo Fighters youth in revolt.
33:44
Yeah, I got that. All right.
33:47
I don't. Take.
33:52
Take 2. This is going to be brutal,
33:54
friends. Yeah.
33:57
All right, Peter. I'll try another track from one
34:03
of the later albums. This was on The Long Goodbye and
34:09
just kind of scratches that itch for me.
34:11
It's punks. No.
34:16
No, Nope. All right, where do I go?
34:27
Oh. My God.
34:41
Let me try one of these wolves tracks.
34:45
How about all downhill from here?
34:49
No. No.
34:52
Bend, OK, Brian. I think all I have left are
34:59
later tracks, so let's go into the sun pedal track.
35:06
No. OK, so I'm I'm sensing we might
35:12
be rapidly approaching dump out territory.
35:16
All right, Peter. This was on Disappearing in
35:25
Airports, and I felt like this was kind of a return to the
35:29
sound of the first album, Vexatious.
35:35
No. I don't all.
35:43
Right. I'm thinking we go one more and
35:47
then, right? Yeah, I'm running out of stuff
35:51
here. I got 5.
35:54
OK, yeah. So that sounds about right.
35:56
One last attempt at it. Holy cow, it is like black is it
36:02
is, it looks like, it looks like the middle of the night right
36:04
here now. Very good, very good.
36:16
Well, let's just find out, because it's from the Waterboy
36:20
soundtrack. How about glowing soul?
36:24
Oh man, I wanted to take that so bad.
36:30
And it took me a minute before I read the title fully and I
36:35
replayed that first like 10 seconds or 30 seconds over and
36:40
over. I'm like where do I know this
36:43
from? All right, sounds like it got
36:50
into the bin, though. All right, Brian.
36:57
How about bothered? I got it.
37:01
All right, I don't. Take that 2 and make this
37:07
harder. Add another.
37:08
That's what, 14 twos something? Like that.
37:12
All right, Peter. Butterfly from Lucy No.
37:23
I don't. All right, boom, I'm going to
37:30
dump out from here. Let me shuffle this and we will
37:35
start from the top. Come on, there we go.
37:39
All right, what do I got left here?
37:44
Starting at the beginning off of self-titled Mother's Dream.
37:50
No. Hard.
37:53
Hard cut for me, OK. Let's see, my last one from
37:58
Lucy. How about?
37:58
It's amazing. No.
38:02
No. OK, moving on to Happy pills
38:06
Bellmore Place. No.
38:11
No, all right, moving on to into the sun underneath it all.
38:17
Yes. No.
38:20
All right, yet another 2. All right, I already did that
38:24
one from Love Stories. How about believe in it?
38:32
No. No.
38:34
OK, and last but not last but not least, this is a statement
38:41
and the name of the song Let me down easy.
38:44
Yeah, I don't all. Right.
38:49
So we only did 3 unanimous and two of those are like, you know,
38:55
no does. Apparently the third one was a
38:59
no does as well. So, yeah, All right, let me
39:02
shift this up and see if you guys can make this conversation
39:06
a little bit harder because that's what we need, Brian.
39:13
A stone's throw away. No all.
39:19
Right we. Nope.
39:24
Red whoops sometimes, but I missed it.
39:38
He said no. OK, Red.
39:41
All right. One in between that was we.
39:46
Yeah, we. There it is.
39:49
There it is. I don't think I've ever had
39:52
seven in the bin before. This was a terrible performance
39:55
by me. I mean, when you look at it, I
39:59
think we were all in the bin a lot.
40:01
I also want to point out that sometimes was an answer that I
40:05
did get. So you weren't.
40:07
That isn't a wild pick. It just didn't find Peter or I
40:11
all right. And just for posterity, I
40:16
suppose. And shits and gigs.
40:17
Peter, what do you got left? I had rain and he calls home.
40:23
Rain is good. I think calls.
40:27
Home is good too. Damn it.
40:31
All right, so three through all you know, pretty much you know
40:39
you simple lessons far behind. Those are the ones we would
40:42
think. Let's see how many twos do we
40:46
got here? 16 16 I think yeah all right I'm
40:54
going to run it down and then so we got cover me.
40:58
Don't you understanding Lucy 10,000 horses happy pills pull
41:03
away arrow drowned lover come back to me change best friend
41:08
youth and revolt bothered underneath it all let me down
41:12
easy. So my first instinct is the take
41:15
cover me. You guys both had it.
41:17
It was one of the answers that I got the most.
41:20
So it feels like that. That's a mess on my part.
41:25
We have 7 spots. I feel like we're hurting
41:28
nothing if we go ahead and bump that through.
41:32
Yeah, bump it up. All right, do it.
41:36
So as I go down that list, Brian, is there one jumping out
41:39
at you that we feel like we need?
41:45
Yeah, I mean, like I'm going to look at the ones that I I'd
41:50
missed out on, don't you? Happy pills, Arrow drowned, best
41:54
friend let me down easy out of the ones that I missed.
41:58
Well, I don't know. I also want to see change in
42:01
there, but like do we start getting to the point where we're
42:05
already overloading with the first record but at the same
42:09
time change in Arrow are both so good?
42:16
Yeah. And then it becomes like is
42:24
don't you like the sacrificial lamb?
42:26
So change an arrow can move on or you know, yeah, because I
42:35
kind of both want to change and arrow.
42:38
Showing your hand a little bit. And then maybe you also like
42:49
Pull the Way because you can trick people into thinking it's
42:51
a new skimmer box song. That's true.
42:57
I. Don't know.
43:05
Yeah, I would say. I guess the first question is
43:11
like how important is album representation here?
43:14
Like that's a a group wide question.
43:17
Is it important that we cover as much as possible?
43:21
Do we think I. Think we got to show some love
43:25
for Lucy and happy Pills at at least.
43:28
OK, I need something from Lucy, either title track or which I'd
43:33
be fine with. A big thing here.
43:39
Understanding or bothered like those are all good best friend,
43:44
best friend. I I missed that.
43:46
You know what yeah, I'm I'm going to put my vote behind best
43:48
friend because with the best friend or drowned.
43:51
What was the one that I I didn't have?
43:53
And Peter was like, of course. I think that one was drowned.
44:00
OK, Yeah, All right. Now I'm going to turn my my my
44:03
vote back to I'm going to push through drowned.
44:05
OK. I mean, again, we've got plenty
44:08
of space here. So, so that gives us another
44:12
Lucy track. So same question to you, Peter.
44:15
Is there a track that's kind of jumping out at you at this
44:17
point? 10,000 horses from Happy Pills.
44:24
OK, I mean, as noted, that one wasn't a something that I I
44:31
lightly cut. I had it on my first pass.
44:33
So boom, boom, boom. That brings us up to 6.
44:39
OK. All right.
44:41
And so we've got one through from Happy pills, 2 through from
44:45
Lucy, three through from self-titled.
44:51
I think this is where we start looking at that question of do
44:55
we load it up here with just self-titled and Lucy?
45:01
I mean, ultimately, I think I, I think ultimately that does the
45:07
trick like of what we're trying to do get people into the band.
45:12
Because I think that if you can get them into these first 3
45:15
records, I think you can get people to venture into the other
45:19
records that we covered on their own.
45:25
I mean, I'm open to getting something later in if we feel
45:31
like there's something strong enough at this point.
45:35
And again, we still have 4 spots left.
45:38
So is there I guess the question, I, I pose that
45:42
question to you Brian, like I know you had talked about change
45:45
in arrow, I think this is going to start having those.
45:50
Also, like if I said the the later album Into the Sun really
45:55
kind of grabbed me. So like I would push for one of
46:00
those songs, either Lover Come Back to Me, was it still in
46:06
there or what was in there? Underneath it all.
46:10
Underneath it all, all right, I would probably choose love or
46:14
come back to me out of the two of both of them.
46:16
OK. And I, I would guess that that
46:19
would probably be your pick as well if it was between those
46:22
two, Peter. Yeah, OK.
46:24
I think so all. Right, I'll, we'll be soft here
46:27
and we'll go ahead and grab that all.
46:30
Right. And that brings us up to 7.
46:33
All right, so now, now we're really looking at what album
46:38
representation needs to be here. Peter, we've only got 3 spots
46:42
left. Are we just loading up, you
46:45
know, front loading at this point do you think?
46:53
I don't. I guess so, because the next one
46:57
that I'm looking at is understanding.
46:59
OK, OK, I'm with that. Boom, let's grab it 8.
47:07
That's from Lucy, right? Yeah.
47:08
Yeah. All right.
47:13
All right. So if we're down to the last two
47:15
now, we really got to be looking at just strongest songs, right?
47:20
Well, strongest songs change the strongest song left.
47:27
I mean, I've made the most concessions so far, but I also
47:31
don't mind making the most concessions.
47:33
So boom, let's grab that. I mean my immediate thought for
47:42
10 is arrow. Yeah.
47:46
I don't know if there's something else jumping out at
47:48
you, Peter. Nothing that's better than
47:56
Arrow. Yeah.
47:59
All right, so let's grab me. I mean, yeah, if we're going for
48:02
strongest, then I mean, it's it's going to be, you know,
48:05
first album heavy. But I'm sorry that that that
48:09
first album said like a 10 out of 10.
48:12
Again, I think I think it does the trick of what we're trying
48:15
to do. So let's get them into that
48:19
first record and hope they can find the rest on their own.
48:24
Let's grab Arrow as our number 10.
48:26
We'll ruin it. Didn't.
48:27
Work that way for the band, yeah.
48:31
Yeah, what? What can you do?
48:36
All right, so here we go. We have you.
48:38
Simple lessons far behind cover Me Drowned 10,000 horses Lover
48:42
Come Back to me Understanding Change and arrow.
48:46
As mentioned, it is front heavy, but by design.
48:52
If I read you those 10 songs, Brian, which one is the one?
48:59
I mean, I don't want to just do the thing.
49:02
So like, you know, I usually try to pick one of the unanimous
49:09
ones as the as the front, but like, I don't know if we want to
49:18
do that thing put like the one Top 40 song that played on pop
49:23
stations. I know, right?
49:30
Or we just say, or we just throw a wrench and say like simple
49:34
lessons. I'm look not to interrupt you,
49:39
but if I'm being honest, I'm looking at you or simple
49:44
lessons. OK, so like I I understand the
49:52
thought of Far behind. Yeah, but it did to your point
49:57
before, it didn't work for the band, right?
50:00
So like. Like, like I, I'm pretty sure
50:04
I've heard far behind in the grocery store.
50:06
So I think, like, I think people are already familiar with that
50:12
one. Yeah, yeah.
50:15
What do you think, Peter? Yeah, I agree it should be
50:22
either you or simple lessons. When you'd already put simple
50:28
lessons out there, Brian, do you think you go for the one we're
50:33
fairly certain people haven't heard?
50:36
Or do you try to hope that they're like me and go, Oh yeah,
50:40
with you? I think maybe just go with
50:48
simple lessons because it's it's got that that heavy grungier
50:54
start to it. It's not off the first record.
50:58
So maybe people like, oh wow, this is this is good and it
51:01
sounds Seattle, but it's not from our record from 1992.
51:09
I'm totally, yeah, I am totally with it.
51:13
So Simple Lessons is our number one.
51:14
We'll run down this list one last go and we will get on out
51:19
of here. So simple lessons again is our
51:21
number one. You far behind cover me drowned
51:25
10,000 horses lover come back to me understanding change and
51:29
arrow rounds out our ten. With that, let's let Simple
51:33
lessons get a moment in the sun. Very Seattley, very candle box.
51:45
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51:48
I feel like we did it. Boom, boom, boom.
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