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The Jesse Ventura They Don't Want You To See Pt. 8: The Pentagon · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 3: Anyway, the true podcast heads know what I'm talking about.
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Speaker 3: Brown, I'm Olivia Hither.
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Speaker 1: hear in the outtakes why the intro to this podcast
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not gonna say it now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's going to be a conspiracy until then,
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Speaker 1: exactly a mystery on some cold case. Olivia, how's it going.
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Speaker 1: Have you been since we recorded last?
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Speaker 3: You know, I've been great since we recorded last. Honestly,
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Speaker 3: best I've been in a while. Uh, you know, having
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Speaker 3: a good time. My office is nice to sit in.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, so we're back to covering what I guess
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Speaker 1: not back, We're done. This is it final episode?
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Speaker 3: Wow?
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Speaker 1: Covering the Jesse Ventura They don't want you to see.
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Speaker 3: That's the show. This is not the last episode covering
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Speaker 3: conspiracy theory with Jesse Ventcher just this weird void season.
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Speaker 1: This highly censored, too hot for TV episode or season. Rather,
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Speaker 1: they tease you can find it on Amazon, but then
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Speaker 1: you go to buy it just says currently unavailable.
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Speaker 3: It's too hot for TV, but just hot enough for
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Speaker 3: daily Motion.
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Speaker 1: I can't wait until fifty to sixty years from now.
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Speaker 1: There's like a big documents dump from the government where
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Speaker 1: they're like, all right, we'll finally tell you some stuff.
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Speaker 1: And part of it is just season two conspiracy theory
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Speaker 1: with Jesse Ventura. Yeah, they're like, all of this that happened. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: totally accurate.
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Speaker 3: I mean, hey, if if we're gonna go with the
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Speaker 3: theory that this entire show is a big CIA op basically,
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Speaker 3: which sometypes it feels like it sure does, then maybe
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Speaker 3: that will be what happens.
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Speaker 1: Who knows. Yeah, because we know the CIA has a
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Speaker 1: consulting wing for Hollywood TV and movies movie shows. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's kind of what Disney's doing, Like that's a that's
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Speaker 1: a thing that's on their website, Like they have an
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Speaker 1: actual liaison. If you're making a movie or a TV
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Speaker 1: show about the CIA, they will definitely jump in and
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Speaker 1: help because they want it to look the way they
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Speaker 1: want it to look in terms of the image of
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Speaker 1: the agency. And man, I could sure see them jumping on,
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Speaker 1: like just finding out this was pitched at True TV
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Speaker 1: and being like, holy shit, get us in there, get
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Speaker 1: us in there.
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Speaker 3: Wait, it's hosted by a former governor. Okay, oh and
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Speaker 3: he and he's like the most ridiculous human who's ever lived.
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Speaker 1: Per co star of the film Predator. He's in Predator.
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Speaker 3: I don't think he dies first, Like, I don't think
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Speaker 3: it's fair to call him a star.
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I remember him winning Best Supporting Actor.
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Speaker 3: I mean, well, of course he won, but that means
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Speaker 3: it's not starring. And he of course he won Best
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Speaker 3: Supporting Actor. He said, he said, pain don't hurt, and
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Speaker 3: like that's just gonna get you the gold in this
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Speaker 3: town and preach you know, yeah, Payne hurt. No, he
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Speaker 3: doesn't have time to bleed.
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Speaker 1: Try it at home, kids. So this time around, the
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Speaker 1: subject is the Pentagon, which I forgot that there were
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Speaker 1: even there's so many nine to eleven conspiracies, you forget
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Speaker 1: the Pentagon even got fucking hit.
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Speaker 3: I want to say, because yeah, the title of the
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Speaker 3: episode is Pentagon. This is a second nine to eleven episode,
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Speaker 3: which I just was not at all when I saw
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Speaker 3: that the title was Pentagon. I'm like, Okay, I bet
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of shit to talk about here, because
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Speaker 3: you know, I bet a lot of fucked up shit
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Speaker 3: has happened there. I was not expecting it to be
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Speaker 3: all nine to eleven.
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Speaker 1: It did refresh my memory though, that there's some weirdness
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Speaker 1: around the Pentagon for sure. Attacks. I actually think it's
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Speaker 1: the weirdest of yes, the because the especially the part
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Speaker 1: we'll get to it, We'll get to it.
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Speaker 3: I think I agree with you though, at least in
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Speaker 3: the broad strokes of this is the weirdest attack. I mean, like,
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Speaker 3: you know, as everything on nine to eleven was super weird,
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Speaker 3: uh everywhere, but this is like the weirdest single event.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's basically the theory that the Pentagon was
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Speaker 1: hit with a missile as opposed to an airplane on
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Speaker 1: nine to eleven. Right off the back, Olivia, are you
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Speaker 1: familiar with nine to eleven.
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Speaker 3: I have heard of it vaguely. It's like a word
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Speaker 3: that's kind of been in the background radiation of my life,
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Speaker 3: you know, but I've never.
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Speaker 1: Really known what it means until today. I forgot but
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Speaker 1: I looked it up and it was crazy. It was crazy.
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Speaker 1: It was a big attack on nine to eleven.
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Speaker 3: Oh, okay, did it? But yeah, okay, I mean sure,
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Speaker 3: but surely it didn't ir revocably break everything about how
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Speaker 3: diploma like world diplomacy and our country works.
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Speaker 1: I would argue it united US, Okay, may is stronger
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Speaker 1: anything else. Yeah, okay, cool, Well that's good.
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Speaker 3: Good, I'm glad it happened.
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Speaker 1: Then. This is one of those nine to eleven theories
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Speaker 1: that I'm kind of on the fence about.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a big fence to be us.
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Speaker 1: It's a big it's a big fence. There's some really
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Speaker 1: weird details, so let's see if Governor can can sell
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Speaker 1: us on it. The first person they talked to is
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Speaker 1: a guy named Charles Lewis who's an LAX employee. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and he says LAX was one of the targets on
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Speaker 1: nine to eleven.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was like a real dud opener. Honestly, I
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Speaker 3: think this whole episode is really, even for this show,
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Speaker 3: really poorly shot.
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Speaker 1: That's kind of why I think maybe.
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Speaker 3: He had it pulled because like his face is in
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Speaker 3: shadow for like Jesse's face is in shadow for a
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Speaker 3: lot of the interviews that take take place at night
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Speaker 3: in this episode, and this is one of them. And
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Speaker 3: this guy is like, I don't understand really how he
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Speaker 3: is related to nine to eleven.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's mostly there to bring up a detail
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Speaker 1: that I think everyone already knows about nine to eleven,
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Speaker 1: which is that jets weren't like if they were scrambled
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Speaker 1: to meet these planes, they either didn't scramble them in
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Speaker 1: time or they only scrambled them in time to get
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Speaker 1: United ninety three a whole other episode. And it's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we know that. And then he says he heard over
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Speaker 1: a high level police radio that a missile hit the Pentagon,
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Speaker 1: not a plane. Yeah, it's like he was the only
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Speaker 1: person to hear that.
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Speaker 3: Also, he's working at LAX and they're talking to him
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Speaker 3: about like if like who cares, Like nothing happened to LX,
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Speaker 3: Like was fine, right, nothing?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing happened at LAX. And I saw his I
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Speaker 1: swear his job title was like lead custodian or something
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Speaker 1: like it was it. Yeah, it didn't seem like he'd
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Speaker 1: be getting the drop on the latest nine to eleven information.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is what I'm saying. I just feel like
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Speaker 3: this is a weird thing to open with. This is
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Speaker 3: just a dud, I think.
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Speaker 1: Because here's the thing. Nine to eleven kicked off at
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Speaker 1: like what eight something Eastern time?
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Speaker 3: Like a forty five.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, how high up can you be if you're at
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Speaker 1: work that early. You're you're at work at five forty
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Speaker 1: five in the morning, and I'm supposed to believe you
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Speaker 1: got some status. No, No, no one in LA gets
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Speaker 1: to work before ten am.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that that's a really good points. It's like
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Speaker 3: the graveyard shift for airport plays.
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Speaker 1: So team meeting time. Not a whole lot happens in
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Speaker 1: this team meeting.
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Speaker 3: No, this isn't too when Daniel has his outburst, right,
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Speaker 3: this is this is pre that because Daniel I is back.
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Speaker 3: I hate Daniel so much. Just to reiterate with his
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Speaker 3: Pete wins as haircut and uh he gets a tantrument at.
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Speaker 1: Some point in the episode. Oh yeah, I don't. I
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Speaker 1: don't remember if it's here. I think I remember getting later.
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Speaker 1: I remember thinking the team meeting was too early because
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Speaker 1: they still haven't really said anything like you're not gonna
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Speaker 1: do that just because the lax guy said, he.
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Speaker 3: It must just be like almost like a previously on
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Speaker 3: the thing, previously conspiracy theory.
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Speaker 1: And so flight seventy seven, this is the flight in
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Speaker 1: question that allegedly hit the Pentagon, left Dulls right after
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Speaker 1: the other two planes. Maybe U turn headed back to DC.
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Speaker 1: Now this plane was headed for lax That was its
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Speaker 1: right point of origin.
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Speaker 3: Most of the planes, if I remember correctly, most of
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Speaker 3: them were bound for the west coast because they wanted.
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Speaker 1: To get planes that had the most fuel in them.
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Speaker 3: Smart if I remember, I might be that might be
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Speaker 3: pulling that completely out of my ass, but I'm fairly
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Speaker 3: certain I heard that somewhere.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you didn't, that's that's just good planning.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you.
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Speaker 3: You know I could be No, Nope, not gonna not
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Speaker 3: gonna say that on a recorded medium.
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Speaker 1: Uh no, no, no.
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Speaker 3: Almost got a little too frisky.
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Speaker 1: They talked to Matt Sullivan, who was a nine to
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Speaker 1: eleven investigator, and he brings up what is apparently a
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Speaker 1: forgotten moment in nine to eleven history. Sometimes there's stories
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Speaker 1: where like our perception is one thing, but then there's
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Speaker 1: like little details that have been lost to history that
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Speaker 1: would maybe sway it in the other direction if we
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Speaker 1: remembered it enough.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Part of it's just a consequence of this being
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Speaker 3: the early two thousands where basically everybody is getting their
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Speaker 3: information from the television, and you know, you don't see
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Speaker 3: what the cameras.
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Speaker 1: There are cameras obviously as.
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Speaker 3: We watch the recording, but you know what I mean,
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Speaker 3: Like you can't see what's not being broadcast. And if
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Speaker 3: this wasn't like widely shown, or if it was just
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Speaker 3: in the noise because there was so much happening at
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Speaker 3: around nine to eleven.
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Speaker 1: It's easy to get lost. I think one of the
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Speaker 1: biggest lies we have ever been told is when you
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Speaker 1: put something on the Internet, it lives forever. Yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: a lie. That is a lot. Yeah, Like especially if
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Speaker 1: you're talking news from before that point where we centralized
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Speaker 1: all our news onto social media. Yeah, like back when
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Speaker 1: it was just individual websites. Most of those websites are
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Speaker 1: dead and those stories they published are either never coming
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Speaker 1: back or you're so unfamiliar with the outlet that you're like,
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Speaker 1: is this anything, and it's like, yeah, it's like Bob
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Speaker 1: Woodward's website.
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Speaker 3: Well, and also the problem is different now in that
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Speaker 3: like it's almost worse because now it's a glut. Now
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Speaker 3: we get everything, and then it becomes way easier for
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Speaker 3: the important stuff to get lost because there's just too
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Speaker 3: much to keep track of. We know, we have access
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Speaker 3: to almost every intimate event that happens around the world,
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Speaker 3: you know, through social media and the like, so it
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Speaker 3: becomes hard to categorize.
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Speaker 1: And with stuff like this, it's especially hard to research. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because we've done we mean in Google, which me and
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Speaker 1: Olivia are controlling owners.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, That's why I'm so rich.
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Speaker 1: But I guess society in general has done such a
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Speaker 1: good job of demonizing the phrase conspiracy theory. I tried it.
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Speaker 1: I searched nine to eleven conspiracy on Google today as
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Speaker 1: if it was still two thousand and seven and that
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Speaker 1: was going to work. And I must have gone fifteen
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Speaker 1: pages looking for a single source that was like, it's
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Speaker 1: not they're telling you, but no, everyone was nine to
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Speaker 1: eleven theories debunked? Why people believe nine to eleven theories?
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Speaker 1: And it's like, I get that misinformation is a problem
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Speaker 1: and it's destroying democracy, but on and that's.
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Speaker 3: Fair, but also it is it's just interesting to think
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Speaker 3: about that specific anecdote also in relation to how people
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Speaker 3: talk about China and how China restricts their search results
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Speaker 3: in Google and that sort of thing. Just an interesting
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Speaker 3: comparing contrast there about how we talk about things.
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Speaker 1: We act like we're not encouraging it, and we are.
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Speaker 1: We've been begging the government to censor ideas that are
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Speaker 1: in opposition to the official government stance for like thirty
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Speaker 1: years now, like since the early nineties at least.
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's I mean, I mean, that's the
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Speaker 3: thing in the broadest sense that goes back for ever.
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Speaker 3: Like you know, so there's always people who are try
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Speaker 3: it's just more decentralized now and there are more people
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Speaker 3: with their own ideas of what things shouldn't be allowed,
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Speaker 3: and it's just like everything else happening right now, there's
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Speaker 3: just more and it's more noisy and it's more confusing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you do have to admit, though, that
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Speaker 1: it does seem like there was this concerted effort to
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Speaker 1: make conspiracy theory a thing you can apply to pretty
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Speaker 1: much any story to kill it. Oh.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think that's part of as much as a
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Speaker 3: insane nine to eleven, conspiracy theory is a part of misinformation.
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Speaker 3: I think that is that sort of thing is as
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Speaker 3: equally as much or you know, yeah, it's definitely still misinformation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And the thing it always brings to mind is
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Speaker 1: when the Internet started, I've always had this theory that
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Speaker 1: the government had two paths they could go because it
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Speaker 1: is legitimately a source for information that could sometimes be
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Speaker 1: damaging if you don't get it taken down early enough.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I.
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Speaker 1: Feel like the government had to decide, are we gonna
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Speaker 1: address every one of those incidents when they happen, or
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Speaker 1: could we just get anything like that that gets published
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Speaker 1: on the Internet labeled a conspiracy theory. Yeah, and it
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Speaker 1: seems like they did the latter and it worked because yeah, or.
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Speaker 3: You know, even if it's not that blunt of like
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Speaker 3: it's all a conspiracy theory, they've just learned how they've
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Speaker 3: learned how to do a counter narrative to basically anything,
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Speaker 3: They've got a few blankets. You know. Misinformation is a
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Speaker 3: big buzzword now, conspiracy theory, these sorts of things, and
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Speaker 3: like a lot of these I mean, and sure a
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Speaker 3: lot of these things are dangerous. Like you know, there
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Speaker 3: there is a lot of dangerous ideas like unfortunately that
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Speaker 3: that are out there floating around and that are doing
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Speaker 3: active damage to us personally a lot, which is but
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Speaker 3: it's tough, you know, you don't want the government stepping
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Speaker 3: in on that is the problem. And again, anyway, this
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Speaker 3: is it's all weirdly completely related to this weird nine
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Speaker 3: to eleven episode that ultimately doesn't really add up too much,
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Speaker 3: but it has so many weird thorns.
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Speaker 1: Well, the reason I brought up moments like this that
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Speaker 1: are lost to history. The one I always think of
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Speaker 1: is Mark Furman taking the fifth when they asked him
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Speaker 1: if he planted evidence. Yeah, like people forget that happened,
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Speaker 1: Like yeah, You're like, people are like, how could they
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Speaker 1: have found O? J Inison? It's like, man, I probably
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Speaker 1: would have, like if I and I don't even think
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Speaker 1: that Jerry knew about that, But like Mark Furman was
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Speaker 1: a piece of shit. No, Like, even if OJ Simpson
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Speaker 1: was guilty, he probably deserved to be found not guilty
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Speaker 1: because of the way the police treated that investigation. And hey,
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Speaker 1: that's how the justice system is supposed to work. Now,
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Speaker 1: don't get mad about it. But that's a tangent.
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Speaker 3: Well that and that's just a circle that the American
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Speaker 3: public is perpetually unable to square. We just cannot We
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Speaker 3: can't do that, you know, we can't say this guy
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Speaker 3: was definitely guilty, but our criminal justice system is so
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Speaker 3: fucked up that he should not have been put in jail.
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Speaker 3: That is so And I mean that goes even doesn't
19:12
Speaker 3: even get into prison abolition, but like, yeah, it's just
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Speaker 3: something that we have never been able to comprehend as
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Speaker 3: a people.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this isn't quite the same thing, but it close.
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Speaker 1: It is a quirky little moment from nine to eleven
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Speaker 1: history that no one talks about anymore, which is in
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Speaker 1: the nine to eleven report. Apparently they talked to a
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Speaker 1: guy named Norman Manetta, who was Transportation secretary when nine
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Speaker 1: to eleven happened, and he, according to his account, there
19:39
Speaker 1: was a young man who came in and told Dick
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Speaker 1: Cheney that a plane was fifty miles away and asked
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Speaker 1: if the order still stands. Cheney says, of course, the
19:48
Speaker 1: order still stands, which that is weird. Yeah, that is
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Speaker 1: worth asking a few more questions, specifically what was the
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Speaker 1: order and what plane are I mean talking about.
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Speaker 3: It's very weird. But also Dick Cheney is I doubt
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Speaker 3: a very good leader and not.
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Speaker 1: Well it, but it would like you you have to
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Speaker 1: know what that order was like, because depending on what
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Speaker 1: it was, that really puts a whole spin on the
20:17
Speaker 1: nine to eleven was an inside job, sure, Like we
20:21
Speaker 1: just did an episode about the BP oil spill and
20:24
Speaker 1: we were like, well, yeah, of course, if they knew
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Speaker 1: it was going to happen, they would just find a
20:28
Speaker 1: way to profit off of it. If we had intelligence
20:32
Speaker 1: that told us nine to eleven was going to happen.
20:35
Speaker 1: M Like, that's not the same thing as Bush did it, right,
20:39
Speaker 1: but it is. Bush and Cheney ignored it so we
20:42
Speaker 1: could go to war in the Middle East. But and
20:45
Speaker 1: it's like, do we put that past Dick Cheney?
20:48
Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing. And this is again, this is
20:50
Speaker 3: stuff that we already covered in the first nine to
20:53
Speaker 3: eleven episodes of this TV show. But like it's common
20:57
Speaker 3: knowledge that they knew that it was going to happen.
21:00
Speaker 3: But there's the very famous memo of some of bin
21:03
Speaker 3: laden planes to attack the United States with their planes.
21:06
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's just a matter of Yeah, I guess
21:09
Speaker 3: when he talks about the order, I was kind of
21:12
Speaker 3: thinking about the NORAD order. I kind of conflated it
21:15
Speaker 3: in my mind.
21:16
Speaker 1: But yeah, if it.
21:16
Speaker 3: Wasn't just telling them not to shoot down planes, then
21:20
Speaker 3: it's very strange. Yeah, I mean even it's still strange.
21:22
Speaker 3: But Cheney is an evil, weird bastard. We we've talked
21:27
Speaker 3: about him in two episodes in a row.
21:29
Speaker 1: Now I'm just gonna say it. Most of nine to
21:31
Speaker 1: eleven was strange.
21:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, weird day, I would say, altogether.
21:37
Speaker 1: Very weird day in our nations.
21:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, now that I'm remembering it, you know, like it
21:43
Speaker 3: was the episode that Goku fought catterp and dragon ball
21:46
Speaker 3: Z and that was like a really huge deal for me.
21:48
Speaker 3: But then, like I also saw that, like there was
21:51
Speaker 3: a lot of weird shit with people dying and no
21:54
Speaker 3: one really knew what was going on. People were buying
21:56
Speaker 3: a bunch of gas.
21:58
Speaker 1: Weird times, weird time, very weird weird times. So the
22:04
Speaker 1: next thing they talk about, well, well they talked to
22:07
Speaker 1: a guy named Dwayne Deets who used to be a
22:10
Speaker 1: NASA engineer. Yeah, and he talks about how the nose
22:13
Speaker 1: of an airplane couldn't have made the damage that you
22:17
Speaker 1: see in the side of the Pentagon. I've seen this
22:19
Speaker 1: go back and forth in terms of articles like there's
22:23
Speaker 1: it's a contested point because one of the one of
22:27
Speaker 1: the suggestions is that it was moving so fast when
22:30
Speaker 1: it hit the Pentagon that all that wing debris and
22:33
Speaker 1: stuff that you'd expect to see was just kind of
22:35
Speaker 1: sheared off. Yeah, incinerated. But at the same time, it
22:39
Speaker 1: does go very deep into the Pentagon for just being
22:43
Speaker 1: a commercial jet. Yeah, I mean it gets up in there.
22:49
Speaker 3: It got all up in the Pentagon's guts.
22:52
Speaker 1: The sea ring, which I'm betting is like the third ring.
22:56
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, third or fourth probably, I would imagine.
23:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I don't know inside out, so it's like
23:05
Speaker 1: the twenty third ring.
23:08
Speaker 3: There's just like an infinite number of rings advancing inward
23:13
Speaker 3: the Pentagon vortex at the center. Yeah, you know, it's
23:17
Speaker 3: all fucking really weird. Again, Like we said, I don't know.
23:20
Speaker 3: I this is where I run into I am not
23:23
Speaker 3: an engineer, you know. I know very little about the
23:28
Speaker 3: physics of a commercial airliner colliding with a building. I
23:32
Speaker 3: just it's a gap to my knowledge base unfortunately.
23:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, in this particular moment reminded me of a theory
23:40
Speaker 1: that I forgot exists, which is the flyover theory. There
23:44
Speaker 1: are lots of people out there, including Dwayne Deets, who
23:48
Speaker 1: think what actually happened is this plane just flew over
23:53
Speaker 1: the Pentagon around the same time that happened, someone hit
23:57
Speaker 1: it with a missile. And that raises the obvious question
24:01
Speaker 1: that is asked of Dwayne Deets immediately, which is, well,
24:04
Speaker 1: where did that plane go? And the answer is, I
24:07
Speaker 1: don't know that, No one's that seems like something someone
24:14
Speaker 1: would have seen or no, Yes.
24:17
Speaker 3: A plane flying like forty feet above the ground over
24:21
Speaker 3: the Pentagon like escape like even if like it feels
24:26
Speaker 3: like that's only a conspiracy that can exist based on
24:29
Speaker 3: the footage that we have that was released, like the
24:33
Speaker 3: five frames that they talk about, Like that only works
24:37
Speaker 3: from that angle where you don't see the plane. Otherwise,
24:41
Speaker 3: the fire there's no way the fireball is big enough
24:43
Speaker 3: that people around don't see a big ass plane flying over.
24:47
Speaker 3: It's so low.
24:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be so very risky, dude, Yeah and loud,
24:55
Speaker 1: like people are going to hear an explosion, look up
24:57
Speaker 1: and just see a plane that's fine, Yeah, flying like
25:01
Speaker 1: at you could jump up and grab it heights right.
25:04
Speaker 3: It's one of the many like kind of fracture points
25:07
Speaker 3: in this whole theory is this like as as much
25:11
Speaker 3: as I don't know whether a plane would cause that
25:14
Speaker 3: much damage, I know for a fact someone would have
25:16
Speaker 3: seen that goddamn plane fly away.
25:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless it was like alien technology. Where as soon
25:21
Speaker 1: as the explosion happened, they're back to like thirty fouls
25:24
Speaker 1: in the sky exactly.
25:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then we're media.
25:26
Speaker 1: Now we're mixing conspiracy.
25:28
Speaker 3: Now we've got we got area fifty one in there, like.
25:32
Speaker 1: Well, that's how you kill the passengers. They just don't
25:35
Speaker 1: have the necessary equipment to handle the trip to space, Zach,
25:38
Speaker 1: you take take out there and they like paint Stewart
25:41
Speaker 1: And if you remember that Paine Stuart, remember how he
25:45
Speaker 1: died payment Golfer. No, his plane lost cabin pressure, but
25:50
Speaker 1: it was on autopilot, so everyone in the plane was
25:52
Speaker 1: dead and it just flew for hours and hours and
25:55
Speaker 1: hours until it crashed. I love that story. I mean,
26:01
Speaker 1: that's so that's so cool horror.
26:05
Speaker 3: The horror fan and me can't help but jump out
26:07
Speaker 3: and be like, that's dope as hell.
26:09
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if I have to go out anyway.
26:12
Speaker 3: I would love that to be a ghost story about
26:15
Speaker 3: fucking ghost plane.
26:17
Speaker 1: That should be a movie where one person survives has
26:20
Speaker 1: to land that plane.
26:22
Speaker 3: That would be great.
26:23
Speaker 1: Uh. And it's Payne Stewart. Yeah.
26:27
Speaker 3: I don't know anything about golfers, so I just don't
26:30
Speaker 3: know who that is.
26:30
Speaker 1: But I know him because he died, right.
26:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna look that up. Uh. But like there's
26:40
Speaker 3: just no like yeah, I guess, yeah, if aliens teleported
26:43
Speaker 3: the plane into outer space, then sure that makes sense.
26:46
Speaker 3: That makes total sense. Why wouldn't the aliens just zap
26:50
Speaker 3: the Pentagon? I don't know what is.
26:52
Speaker 1: Your stance on the surveillance footage we've gotten from the Pentagon,
26:58
Speaker 1: because you gotta admit it's weird that there's so many
27:01
Speaker 1: cameras around the Pentagon that we know we're filming and
27:06
Speaker 1: have to pick up some footage, and all we've gotten
27:10
Speaker 1: is like a mid two thousand's gift of something hitting
27:16
Speaker 1: the Pentagon.
27:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, I swear I've seen a different angle. Maybe not
27:20
Speaker 3: from an official camera, but I swear to God. But
27:24
Speaker 3: maybe maybe I'm totally you know, Mandela affecting this. But
27:28
Speaker 3: I thought for sure i'd seen I tried to find
27:31
Speaker 3: it and could not, So maybe I'm totally making up.
27:33
Speaker 3: But it is weird. It's weird, but I mean, you know, again,
27:36
Speaker 3: nine eleven is super weird, but it's just like it
27:39
Speaker 3: is just like five frames that are not totally connected.
27:43
Speaker 3: You know, it's not it's not like a movie frame,
27:45
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's interconnected pictures with gaps.
27:49
Speaker 1: And we're talking the airspace over the Pentagon. Yeah, there's
27:52
Speaker 1: gonna be some surveillance equipment point in that direct.
27:57
Speaker 3: Absolutely could get could we at least.
28:00
Speaker 1: Get a shot of the plane approaching.
28:03
Speaker 3: But here's the thing, and this is again, I'm not
28:06
Speaker 3: trying to defend the Department of Justice or anything like that,
28:11
Speaker 3: but like, yeah, I'm a plant, I'm totally a plan.
28:16
Speaker 3: But like this is similar to Jesse's insistence that he
28:21
Speaker 3: be allowed into every restricted area that he comes across
28:25
Speaker 3: by nature of him being a governor, because like, look it,
28:29
Speaker 3: I understand that I want to see more footage. I
28:31
Speaker 3: think the American people deserve to see more footage. But
28:34
Speaker 3: also if they just say they can, it's very easy
28:37
Speaker 3: for them to just say, yeah, we're not going to
28:39
Speaker 3: show you that shit. It's all blanket classified, like this
28:42
Speaker 3: is a government installation. I'm like, I don't like whatever,
28:45
Speaker 3: even if it was, even if everything happened as the
28:48
Speaker 3: Commission said, it did, like I would still imagine that
28:51
Speaker 3: would happen, because like that's just how they are there.
28:55
Speaker 3: They like their secrecy.
28:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we've gotten so many videos of the other planes.
29:01
Speaker 3: No, right, but those aren't government and military institutions that
29:06
Speaker 3: you know place.
29:07
Speaker 1: But we're not. We're not talking all government and military
29:09
Speaker 1: institutions when it comes to the Pentagon. There's shit around
29:13
Speaker 1: the Pentagon. There were something else. There were like highway cameras.
29:17
Speaker 3: No, I know what you mean. I know what you mean.
29:19
Speaker 3: But again, you don't think the Pentagon knows about every
29:22
Speaker 3: single camera within one hundred mile radius of it, Like
29:25
Speaker 3: that's it.
29:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they went around and confiscated all the videos
29:29
Speaker 1: and like.
29:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, confiscated or just said it was again like I
29:32
Speaker 3: don't look, I'm not saying that any of this is good.
29:35
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it's not like super shocking to me
29:38
Speaker 3: that we've only gotten one. I would love to see more.
29:41
Speaker 3: But you know, even regardless of the situation, I would
29:44
Speaker 3: never expect more from the Pentagon. I just don't because
29:48
Speaker 3: they don't. They're not a giving sort. They don't like
29:51
Speaker 3: to share.
29:51
Speaker 1: The next issue they bring up is whether the pilot
29:55
Speaker 1: would have had the expertise to fly the plane in
29:58
Speaker 1: the manner in which it struck the Pentagon. I think
30:01
Speaker 1: this is a compelling argument because I would.
30:05
Speaker 3: Say in the abstract it's a compelling argument. I don't
30:08
Speaker 3: think they make a compelling case.
30:10
Speaker 1: I don't think they need to. You just have to
30:13
Speaker 1: kind of think about what happened, like that is some
30:16
Speaker 1: expert level flying to be able to control the plane
30:20
Speaker 1: as it's that low to the ground, and like, these
30:25
Speaker 1: were not expert pilots.
30:27
Speaker 3: No, they definitely weren't expert pilots.
30:29
Speaker 1: No one would argue that.
30:31
Speaker 3: But also I just don't think that Daniel not being
30:35
Speaker 3: able to do it in a flight simulator is like
30:38
Speaker 3: conclusive evidence.
30:42
Speaker 1: No, definitely not.
30:43
Speaker 3: He like looks at the camera. He's like, I couldn't
30:45
Speaker 3: do it, and he couldn't do it, so I guess
30:48
Speaker 3: it can't be done.
30:49
Speaker 1: They were probably just trying to demonstrate more how because
30:53
Speaker 1: they also had him, didn't They have him try with
30:56
Speaker 1: the World Trade Center and he did.
30:57
Speaker 3: A little bit better that I can't remember. I can't
31:00
Speaker 3: remember that part, but I do remember him flying into
31:02
Speaker 3: the Pentagon, and I know, you know, yeah, I understand it.
31:07
Speaker 3: Being difficult again, like I'm not an engineer, I'm not
31:09
Speaker 3: a pilot, you know, I don't know how I have
31:12
Speaker 3: to go based on what this guy, this expert in
31:15
Speaker 3: the show and says, you.
31:18
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, it's it's an impressive bit of flying. It is,
31:21
Speaker 1: and you know, who knows happened.
31:23
Speaker 3: But also the question keeps coming up and they they
31:27
Speaker 3: address it at the end, but we're still talking about
31:30
Speaker 3: a plane full of people, and so I like that
31:33
Speaker 3: still doesn't answer a lot of questions about what happened
31:36
Speaker 3: to those people, which I think is the most important
31:39
Speaker 3: question that keeps kind of getting lost in this episode
31:42
Speaker 3: until the end, and even then it gets lost.
31:44
Speaker 1: It's a weird segment. So the governor now decides it's
31:50
Speaker 1: time to look into some other possibilities as to what
31:53
Speaker 1: hit the Pentagon. So then they play this clip. They
31:55
Speaker 1: do this from time to time in this series, where
31:57
Speaker 1: they'll like throw out one little piece of an information
32:00
Speaker 1: and then just move on forever. And in this case,
32:03
Speaker 1: it's that a nine to eleven commission member named Tim
32:06
Speaker 1: Romer accidentally said the Pentagon was hit by a missile, yeah,
32:09
Speaker 1: before quickly recovering and saying airplane.
32:12
Speaker 3: That's my super weird clip. I will say.
32:16
Speaker 1: It's up there with the Rumsfeld clip where he's talking
32:19
Speaker 1: about flight ninety three and he's like, when flight ninety
32:23
Speaker 1: three was shot down, I mean crashed. It's like, I
32:27
Speaker 1: feel like with flight ninety three, they could just tell
32:30
Speaker 1: us if it will actually make me trust the government
32:35
Speaker 1: a little more if they were like, we shot down
32:37
Speaker 1: flight ninety three and it's like, okay, yeah, that's what
32:40
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do in a situation like that, Right,
32:43
Speaker 1: we'd be down one pretty great movie if that was
32:45
Speaker 1: the case, that's for sure. But I think I would
32:48
Speaker 1: watch the shoot him down movie too.
32:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, if any of this came out.
32:53
Speaker 3: That's always been kind of my problem with nine to
32:56
Speaker 3: eleven conspiracies as a whole, because, for one thing, there
33:00
Speaker 3: was already a conspiracy that definitely happened that we all
33:03
Speaker 3: know happened, which is that a bunch of people conspired
33:06
Speaker 3: to learn to fly airplanes in order to crash them
33:10
Speaker 3: into the World Trade Center, And like, regardless of anything else,
33:14
Speaker 3: that's still a conspiracy. But also like, I just don't
33:17
Speaker 3: think anything about our lives would fundamentally change if we
33:21
Speaker 3: knew that any of this was not the way that.
33:24
Speaker 1: It was told.
33:25
Speaker 3: It's like we've talked about with this theory in the
33:28
Speaker 3: past and with JFK. I just don't think these kinds
33:31
Speaker 3: of conspiracies matter to us.
33:33
Speaker 1: But they don't. They don't. They don't have to. My
33:35
Speaker 1: life wouldn't fundamentally change if I heard a fourth Nirvana album,
33:40
Speaker 1: But if you told me what exist, I'd be like, fuck, yeah,
33:43
Speaker 1: I want to listen to it.
33:44
Speaker 3: I would mean, I would say that would be way
33:46
Speaker 3: more impactful on your life than learning than the government
33:49
Speaker 3: admitting to like doing nine to eleven.
33:52
Speaker 1: Oh, I would take the government admitting to nine to
33:55
Speaker 1: eleven over a new Nirvana album any day. I don't know.
33:58
Speaker 1: I'd take the album. I'd rather hear it. I'd like it.
34:01
Speaker 1: I like Nirvana, though, you know, I listen, I love Nirvana.
34:05
Speaker 1: Throw in Once upon a Time and shoo lyin with
34:08
Speaker 1: the deal and then we can talk the Wu Tang
34:11
Speaker 1: album Martin Screlly bought. Oh yeah, of course. So the
34:16
Speaker 1: next person they interview April Gallup. She was an army
34:19
Speaker 1: specialist who was working inside the Pentagon on nine to eleven.
34:23
Speaker 1: She brought her kid to work that day, which that's
34:28
Speaker 1: that's pretty harsh. But they both survived. Yeah, and she
34:32
Speaker 1: actually exited the building through the hole that the plane
34:36
Speaker 1: made in the side of the Penteges, And her whole
34:39
Speaker 1: thing is that she didn't see any kind of airplane
34:43
Speaker 1: debris at all. I've also seen people who described the
34:47
Speaker 1: smell in that area as a bomb having gone off.
34:51
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I wasn't there me neither.
34:54
Speaker 3: This April interview was weird. Can I just say strange
34:58
Speaker 3: interview in general? Well, because you know, she it's it's
35:02
Speaker 3: all going fine, and then at the very end, Jesse's like, wow,
35:06
Speaker 3: I guess talking about this could be really dangerous for you,
35:08
Speaker 3: couldn't it. And She's like, yeah, you know what, You're right,
35:12
Speaker 3: I'm gonna leave.
35:12
Speaker 1: I gotta go.
35:13
Speaker 3: And then she gets up and leaves, and then like
35:15
Speaker 3: and then he like followed, and then they follow it
35:17
Speaker 3: and they have another scene out in the parking lot,
35:19
Speaker 3: and I'm like, this is weird. This is a this
35:21
Speaker 3: is a weird way to end this episode. This doesn't
35:23
Speaker 3: really make any sense.
35:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt a little scripted.
35:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, why did why did she all of a sudden
35:29
Speaker 3: like she was on she was talking to Jesse Ventura
35:32
Speaker 3: on it for a national TV show, and she just
35:34
Speaker 3: realized that she maybe might be in trouble for whistleblowing.
35:39
Speaker 1: I feel like the producer or director was like, uh,
35:43
Speaker 1: can you act a little concerned, like yeah, like you're
35:46
Speaker 1: worried about the government, and she just like played it
35:50
Speaker 1: too too far and they were like, fuck, no, don't leave. Well,
35:55
Speaker 1: or it's start to get actors doing this.
35:57
Speaker 3: They should have done that part at the beginning of
35:59
Speaker 3: the end, or at least close to it. And then
36:02
Speaker 3: he goes out and he coaxes her, and then she
36:05
Speaker 3: comes back and gives the real like the.
36:07
Speaker 1: He goes out, okay, exterior outside Dave's Taco Cafe night
36:14
Speaker 1: Jesse bursts through the door. She's walking away. He throws
36:17
Speaker 1: a black bag over her head, tosses her in a van.
36:20
Speaker 1: Next scene, they're at the team meeting. He snatches the
36:23
Speaker 1: bag off her head.
36:26
Speaker 3: If the team meetings had a like element like that
36:30
Speaker 3: is it, that would be great.
36:31
Speaker 1: If they were like an interrogation chamber, the show would
36:34
Speaker 1: be on the air still and it had forty one
36:37
Speaker 1: seasons like Survivors Jesus would be amazing. But none of
36:41
Speaker 1: that happens, and I just talk about how she says
36:44
Speaker 1: she thinks it's a bomb. She thinks a bomb hit
36:47
Speaker 1: as opposed to the plane and no, I wasn't there.
36:50
Speaker 1: But she also is one of the proponents of the
36:53
Speaker 1: flyover theory. Yes, she heard a plane go overhead, but
36:56
Speaker 1: also heard the bomb and we still got it. Like,
37:01
Speaker 1: I guess if it's flying, it's gonna go back into
37:03
Speaker 1: radar range at some point. If it's flying too low
37:07
Speaker 1: to register, then like where did it go?
37:10
Speaker 3: Right? Visual contact would have been maintained, you know, sporadically
37:14
Speaker 3: throughout the city. There would at least be people like
37:17
Speaker 3: the people there are conspiracy theorists all over the place,
37:19
Speaker 3: especially in DC, that surely somebody would have seen this
37:22
Speaker 3: and been like, ah, this feeds into the theory that
37:26
Speaker 3: there was the flyover theory, you know, like I don't.
37:28
Speaker 1: Know, shit, Yeah, here's my other question. Even if you're like, well, yeah,
37:33
Speaker 1: they flew them to a really remote place and fucking
37:36
Speaker 1: killed everybody. Did they have enough fuel for that? Yeah?
37:40
Speaker 1: Like they were playing in a flight to LA right,
37:43
Speaker 1: that's gonna like did they have a layover in Denver?
37:45
Speaker 1: And then they're like flown to South America? Like what happened.
37:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the thing, the question that keeps coming
37:53
Speaker 3: back up over and over again throughout the episode that
37:57
Speaker 3: again address is what happened into the plane? What happened
38:01
Speaker 3: to the people? Like this is the biggest missing link
38:04
Speaker 3: in this whole theory.
38:05
Speaker 1: Then they bring up the phone calls that were placed
38:08
Speaker 1: from inside the plane. This seems weird.
38:11
Speaker 3: Yes, there's weird stuff here, but I feel like this
38:14
Speaker 3: is another one of those areas, like any episode where
38:17
Speaker 3: Alex Jones comes on, where they just push out in
38:21
Speaker 3: the wrong direction. They just take a thing that's weird
38:25
Speaker 3: on its face and then spiral out on their own
38:29
Speaker 3: weird train of thought, because yeah, this is the phone
38:34
Speaker 3: call from the plane.
38:35
Speaker 1: Yeah. The suggestion is that a Bush administration official named
38:40
Speaker 1: Ted Olsen, yeah, said he received two phone calls from
38:44
Speaker 1: his wife who was on the plane at the time,
38:47
Speaker 1: and they talked to a computer scientist who swears that
38:52
Speaker 1: there could not have been phone calls made from that
38:54
Speaker 1: plane because at the rate of speed it was traveling,
38:58
Speaker 1: it was too fast to to cell phone networks, which
39:04
Speaker 1: I don't know.
39:06
Speaker 3: There's a lot of experts here that are saying a
39:09
Speaker 3: lot of stuff that I cannot verify because I am
39:12
Speaker 3: not an expert, and this is this is one of them,
39:15
Speaker 3: you know, I you know, I think about like, but
39:17
Speaker 3: what about like, let's roll, like the whole nine ninety
39:20
Speaker 3: three thing, Like, well, I guess was that just the
39:21
Speaker 3: black box that was.
39:22
Speaker 1: No, they had a phone, the phone, they were making
39:24
Speaker 1: phone calls.
39:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like, yeah, well this is the thing. So
39:29
Speaker 3: but I don't know, especially not in two thousand and one.
39:32
Speaker 3: I don't know how good the cell technology was. It
39:36
Speaker 3: might be, this might be right. I definitely don't think
39:39
Speaker 3: that there was like a faked voice, which is where
39:42
Speaker 3: they kind of go.
39:43
Speaker 1: I feel like it's moments like that that separate us
39:46
Speaker 1: from other conspiracy podcasts, because any other podcast is going
39:50
Speaker 1: to read that line about the phone, yeah, the plane
39:54
Speaker 1: flying too fast, like in the most serious true crime voice.
39:58
Speaker 1: There could be music playing behind it. You're supposed to
40:01
Speaker 1: be creeped out, and we're just like, I don't know, man,
40:03
Speaker 1: that could have happened.
40:04
Speaker 3: That's the thing. Like, the problem is that so many
40:10
Speaker 3: of the people who propagate conspiracy theories, and this is
40:15
Speaker 3: something we've talked I know, we've talked about with things
40:18
Speaker 3: like David Ike and uh or Icky or whatever, and
40:22
Speaker 3: all these things where it's it's just people. The Kubrick
40:26
Speaker 3: thing also, like it's just people reciting ship that they
40:30
Speaker 3: heard with confidence, like they are experts and we are
40:34
Speaker 3: We do not ever claim to p experts, no, Yah.
40:41
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that's the big difference is we
40:44
Speaker 3: were aware of our limitations and we convey them to
40:47
Speaker 3: the audience, which is vital, I think.
40:50
Speaker 1: And people hate it. Just Joe and you all love us,
40:53
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. We love you too, we did.
40:56
Speaker 3: We love you guys, We love you folks. But yeah,
40:59
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a weird shit. But I don't
41:01
Speaker 3: know anything about cell phones. I know very little about
41:03
Speaker 3: cell phones.
41:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, he eventually changes his story and says it came
41:08
Speaker 1: from a back seat phone, right right. But then they
41:12
Speaker 1: determined that there were no back seat phones on that plane,
41:16
Speaker 1: which is.
41:16
Speaker 3: The nixt I think a very interesting tidbit.
41:19
Speaker 1: Also, Yeah, I would lean more toward because the thing
41:24
Speaker 1: about Ted Olsen is he's a Bush administration official, yes,
41:28
Speaker 1: and so I would lean more toward if there's a
41:31
Speaker 1: conspiracy here, it would just be him lying about having
41:35
Speaker 1: gotten those phone calls.
41:37
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And this is what was driving me nuts. That
41:41
Speaker 3: never comes up once in the episode. They never even
41:47
Speaker 3: gesture at the idea that he might be lying at all.
41:52
Speaker 3: There's just never it's never taken into consideration. It's all
41:54
Speaker 3: trying to figure out how this poor Bush administration official
41:58
Speaker 3: was duped.
41:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was tricked into believing his wife called him
42:03
Speaker 1: when really she's been flown to Nuoritania.
42:06
Speaker 3: She's the government used their sci fi blade Runner voice
42:12
Speaker 3: changing technology or whatever to I don't know, I hate
42:16
Speaker 3: I did not this thiga would just became ridiculous, especially
42:20
Speaker 3: the voice changing stuff.
42:21
Speaker 1: And the problem with this also is it's another thing
42:25
Speaker 1: that kind of just goes in a loop because you've
42:28
Speaker 1: just said, well, phone calls couldn't even be made from
42:32
Speaker 1: this plane right at the time, right, Yes, But also
42:36
Speaker 1: we tricked this guy by making a phone call from
42:38
Speaker 1: this plane or were they just saying they called from
42:41
Speaker 1: like a seven to eleven.
42:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have to imagine that it was a
42:45
Speaker 3: phone spoofed to read his as his wife's cell phone
42:48
Speaker 3: or something or I don't know.
42:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, they would have to have those by then.
42:52
Speaker 3: Right, But I find that is not completely unrealistic. The
42:57
Speaker 3: idea of spoofing his wife's cell phone to make it
42:59
Speaker 3: look like she's but like, then they do this segment
43:03
Speaker 3: on the voice changer, which seems to imply that any
43:08
Speaker 3: old dude's voice could be pitched to perfectly match this
43:13
Speaker 3: man's wife who he has known for years and just
43:19
Speaker 3: fool him into thinking that it was her calling in
43:23
Speaker 3: that state of duress.
43:25
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, one of the things they do imply is
43:28
Speaker 1: that the way you get around that is have a
43:30
Speaker 1: lot of background noise, right, and disruptions. So I imagine
43:36
Speaker 1: it was probably like I don't know if you ever
43:38
Speaker 1: watched crank Yanchors, but there was a there was a
43:43
Speaker 1: bit where Dennis Leary called animal Control and said he
43:47
Speaker 1: had a chimpanzee going nuts in the background. Uh huh,
43:51
Speaker 1: And there was just someone in the background making crazy
43:53
Speaker 1: chimpanzee noises and knocking shit over. You know, maybe it
43:58
Speaker 1: was that there's someone like banging hots and pans.
44:01
Speaker 3: It also should have been like, honey, why is there
44:04
Speaker 3: a chippanzee on your flight? I don't understand a panzee
44:10
Speaker 3: a chippanzee hi checked or plane? Yeah, I mean, look,
44:17
Speaker 3: this technology is so dubious. Uh, this whole voice changing technology.
44:22
Speaker 3: Trust me, if it were that easy to pitch someone's
44:25
Speaker 3: voice up into a more acceptable female range. You wouldn't
44:30
Speaker 3: be hearing this voice currently. I could tell you that
44:33
Speaker 3: fucking much. So, yeah, I don't buy.
44:36
Speaker 1: I just run it through some audio process. I've tried something.
44:41
Speaker 3: I find But yeah, like, I just don't buy this
44:44
Speaker 3: at all, don't I don't buy it. None of this
44:47
Speaker 3: makes any once they start talking about voice changing technology
44:50
Speaker 3: and never mentioning the idea that this guy could be lying.
44:54
Speaker 3: That's what I'm like, Well, no, this you are. You've
44:57
Speaker 3: gotten off the deep end. This is where I can't
44:59
Speaker 3: fallow you any further on this.
45:01
Speaker 1: But then they move on to something that is legitimately suspicious. Sure, yeah,
45:06
Speaker 1: which is this missing money. On September tenth, Donald Rumsfeld
45:12
Speaker 1: goes in front of the world and says, two point
45:15
Speaker 1: three trillion dollars in Pentagon transactions. It's all money that
45:20
Speaker 1: cannot be accounted for. They have no idea where it went.
45:23
Speaker 1: And then the Pentagon, conveniently enough, at least according to
45:28
Speaker 1: this episode, gets hit in this attack in the exact
45:32
Speaker 1: spot where all of the computers that would have stored
45:36
Speaker 1: that information and where the employees who would have worked
45:40
Speaker 1: on a situation like that were at So just like
45:44
Speaker 1: that two point three trillion missing dollars is a scandal anymore.
45:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, this whole thing is super weird. Definitely. And Donald Roosevelt,
45:53
Speaker 3: who thankfully died last year, this year us thank god,
45:58
Speaker 3: I'm so happy to this year. Oh it was so
46:00
Speaker 3: great him and pal. But I definitely wouldn't put anything
46:05
Speaker 3: like this past him. But this also the problem is
46:08
Speaker 3: that this dovetails very nicely with the The Bush administration
46:13
Speaker 3: totally knew that Nihi leven was going to happen. They
46:16
Speaker 3: just didn't really do what they should have done to
46:19
Speaker 3: stop it. Not they did it, you know, Like and
46:23
Speaker 3: I feel like this can fit perfectly. If they knew
46:25
Speaker 3: that the World Trade Centers are going to get hit,
46:27
Speaker 3: they probably could have guessed that the Pentagon was going
46:29
Speaker 3: to get hit.
46:30
Speaker 1: And they're like, well we can you.
46:31
Speaker 3: Know, we can cover this shit up. Or maybe he
46:34
Speaker 3: launched a plane, but I mean, you know, I could
46:36
Speaker 3: very easily see him saying, hey, well just let this happen.
46:39
Speaker 1: Or you fire a missile from the freeway, and.
46:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but which from the freeway?
46:48
Speaker 1: Well yeah, that's that's the thing. It would have been
46:50
Speaker 1: absolute rush hour.
46:51
Speaker 3: But also I'm sorry, A hand carried missile is not
46:55
Speaker 3: going to do.
46:56
Speaker 1: It's going to do. I wait, joking movie, I'm sorry,
47:00
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
47:01
Speaker 3: I didn't know. Well, I don't know what the prevailing
47:03
Speaker 3: theory of how the mile. That's another question that I had,
47:06
Speaker 3: whole missile thing, because people would have seen a fucking
47:10
Speaker 3: missile like Jesus, yeah, it's the thing.
47:13
Speaker 1: I think. There are witnesses who are like, I didn't
47:15
Speaker 1: see a plane. It looked more like a missile.
47:16
Speaker 3: Wait, but then they also say that if the if
47:19
Speaker 3: they're going that fast, that loaded the ground and the
47:21
Speaker 3: wings are going to get sheared off, and a plane
47:24
Speaker 3: without any wings is going to look like a missile.
47:27
Speaker 1: Well, it would have looked like a missile going in, right,
47:30
Speaker 1: I don't think. But I think while it was in
47:32
Speaker 1: the air, it's.
47:32
Speaker 3: Oh they're saying they saw it in the I'm sorry
47:34
Speaker 3: I missed that part. But regardless, I feel like that
47:37
Speaker 3: still would have been a lot more well known than
47:40
Speaker 3: just a few people having seen the missile like it
47:44
Speaker 3: because a hand I'm pretty sure, again no expert.
47:49
Speaker 1: If if it was for real a missile, nobody who
47:52
Speaker 1: saw it is ever going to say anything. Those people
47:54
Speaker 1: are probably in Guantanamo right now, Like if they can
47:58
Speaker 1: get all of the surveillance video, yeah, never seen any
48:03
Speaker 1: of it than people too.
48:05
Speaker 3: But if it's a missile that was launched in an
48:08
Speaker 3: arc to come in over the city, I feel like
48:12
Speaker 3: people outside of the surveillance whatever a regardless like it
48:15
Speaker 3: would have had to be that it could a hand
48:18
Speaker 3: a propelled missile from a launcher. I do not believe. Again,
48:22
Speaker 3: no expert, I don't think that could have done it.
48:24
Speaker 3: It would have had to have been launched from an off.
48:27
Speaker 1: Site, maybe from the plane that then flew over, which
48:30
Speaker 1: was which was towing the misrcial plane behind it, and
48:38
Speaker 1: that's how they had enough fut like.
48:39
Speaker 3: How could the plane but like, how could the plane
48:43
Speaker 3: that's going so low and so fast that its wings
48:45
Speaker 3: would sheer off then pull up over the building and
48:49
Speaker 3: fly away and never be seen again.
48:52
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, man, I don't know.
48:54
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, my planes.
48:56
Speaker 3: Nothing about this theory just has way too many really
49:00
Speaker 3: huge holes in it for me to one hundred percent
49:03
Speaker 3: get there. I'll definitely say, you know, I wouldn't be
49:07
Speaker 3: surprised if what Benegon was involved in some way.
49:10
Speaker 1: But I think the thing no one really addresses when
49:13
Speaker 1: it comes to nine to eleven conspiracies is this really
49:17
Speaker 1: is a good ideas on both sides kind of thing,
49:21
Speaker 1: except in reverse where it's like, yeah, you get some
49:25
Speaker 1: really crazy claims from the conspiracy theorists, but also what's
49:29
Speaker 1: going on in Saudi Arabia? Oh, why don't you want
49:33
Speaker 1: to tell us more about how one of our biggest
49:36
Speaker 1: allies on the world stage was clearly very involved in.
49:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like most of the hijackers vers Saudi.
49:43
Speaker 1: And I mean we flew bin Laden's family out of
49:46
Speaker 1: the country after nine to eleven. That doesn't seem war
49:50
Speaker 1: on terror esque.
49:51
Speaker 3: At all, and that seems to have been memory hold.
49:54
Speaker 3: I'll never talk about never for kids. I'll never I
49:57
Speaker 3: learned that when I was fucking fourteen years old, and
50:00
Speaker 3: I still remember that shit.
50:01
Speaker 1: And then people have the gall to write these articles
50:05
Speaker 1: like why some people believe nine to eleven conspiracies, it's
50:09
Speaker 1: because there's obviously a conspiracy of some sort.
50:12
Speaker 3: The problem, Yeah, the problem is and this is how
50:14
Speaker 3: it is. Again. It weirdly, besides being obviously much a
50:20
Speaker 3: much larger and more important event, there's weirdly a lot
50:23
Speaker 3: in common with the JFK conspiracy with this as far
50:26
Speaker 3: as structure of the conspiracy and the fact that it
50:30
Speaker 3: happened now by this point, now it has happened many
50:33
Speaker 3: many years ago, twenty years ago, and there are so
50:38
Speaker 3: many pieces of the event that are impossible for to
50:43
Speaker 3: like catalog really and without losing your mind, and a
50:47
Speaker 3: lot of people do so, Like, I just don't think
50:50
Speaker 3: there's ever going to be a way that we will
50:51
Speaker 3: learn the entire truth about what happened, because there's just
50:56
Speaker 3: way too much stuff. We just can't comprehend it at all,
50:59
Speaker 3: and so something is always going to get lost no
51:02
Speaker 3: matter how close something gets to the truth. There's always
51:05
Speaker 3: gonna be holes that you could fly a plane through
51:09
Speaker 3: if it didn't have wings, Like just yeah, it's just
51:12
Speaker 3: always going to be like that. And I don't know
51:14
Speaker 3: that's at the end of the day. I know for
51:17
Speaker 3: a fact that that lady didn't get her voice faked
51:21
Speaker 3: to call that butt official, and like I know that
51:24
Speaker 3: a plane didn't fly over the Pitnicon to disappear, Like
51:27
Speaker 3: those are the two that I'm pretty sure didn't happen.
51:30
Speaker 3: The rest I don't know, So Up.
51:32
Speaker 1: Next, inspired by this information about the missing money. Jesse
51:37
Speaker 1: launches a raid against Janice cap part of the nine
51:40
Speaker 1: to eleven. Yeah, this is and uh, here's the thing.
51:44
Speaker 1: I didn't like Janice. No, I didn't like I didn't
51:47
Speaker 1: like her, I didn't like her demeanor. I didn't think
51:49
Speaker 1: I'd ever hit the point where I'd be like, hey,
51:53
Speaker 1: he's a former governor, show some fucking respect. Sure, sure,
51:56
Speaker 1: Like she's just laughing at his face. Yeah, and he's
52:00
Speaker 1: asking not the worst question, no.
52:02
Speaker 3: But he is he is is Jesse. He is unfortunately
52:08
Speaker 3: a ridiculous person, like he just can't help it. And
52:12
Speaker 3: so it is that effect where even sometimes even when
52:15
Speaker 3: he is talking about real stuff, it sounds insane and
52:20
Speaker 3: that works in his favorite Like I this isn't as
52:24
Speaker 3: effective to me as when he ambushed those Wall Street
52:28
Speaker 3: guys several episodes fact, which is still the high point
52:31
Speaker 3: of the entire series for me, where he's asking really
52:34
Speaker 3: blunt questions that they never have to answer. And then this,
52:38
Speaker 3: he's just asking a lot of very blunt questions, some
52:41
Speaker 3: of which are related to reality and some of which
52:43
Speaker 3: are related to a lot of fantasy. And it all
52:47
Speaker 3: makes it make his delivery, makes it all sound the same.
52:49
Speaker 1: Unfortunately. I think the one that bothered me was he
52:53
Speaker 1: asks her about this Rumsfeld statement, which is on video.
52:56
Speaker 1: It definitely he definitely said it, yes, And she looks
53:01
Speaker 1: at him like he just asked if it's true that
53:04
Speaker 1: you could see Satan's face in the smoke from nine
53:07
Speaker 1: to eleven like the Weekly World News reported, And uh,
53:11
Speaker 1: yeah he could. And yes, Donald Rumswell, both things are true.
53:16
Speaker 1: But yeah, she just looked at him like he just
53:18
Speaker 1: asked the most insane ques.
53:20
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, she's got She has this look that she
53:23
Speaker 3: gives that's like a smile but like, awe, I can't
53:26
Speaker 3: believe you believe this. That's so cute, like a like
53:30
Speaker 3: a pitying smile.
53:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, if it seems kind of condescending, Yes, yeah, she's
53:36
Speaker 1: got you know, and this might just be editing. I'm sure.
53:39
Speaker 3: I mean, she's probably a fine person. I don't know,
53:42
Speaker 3: she's not maybe.
53:43
Speaker 1: Not nine to eleven commissions.
53:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, man, Like some of these people
53:47
Speaker 3: have to eat, so you know, I don't know. But like,
53:52
Speaker 3: she definitely comes off like a real fucking asshole in
53:55
Speaker 3: this interview.
53:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, he asked why the security footage from around the
54:00
Speaker 1: Pentagon is classified, and she's like, because the government keeps secrets.
54:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what, she got a point.
54:07
Speaker 1: Yeah. He brings up the missing debris and she's like, well,
54:11
Speaker 1: why don't you ask the survivor who was in the Pentagon,
54:15
Speaker 1: who is also on the nine to eleven commission. He's like,
54:18
Speaker 1: a survivor, yeah, and you did. Yeah, it's just fair.
54:23
Speaker 1: And so then she she like gets all all giggly
54:26
Speaker 1: and she she says, it sounds like you don't think
54:30
Speaker 1: nine to eleven happened exactly the way people said it happened.
54:33
Speaker 1: And she asked what his bottom line is and he
54:37
Speaker 1: says it's the truth, and then he suplexes her off
54:41
Speaker 1: the top turn. But he delivers a win.
54:44
Speaker 3: He delivers the body breaker. He ripped his suit off
54:49
Speaker 3: and there's this spangly tight leotard beneath.
54:52
Speaker 1: It does lead to an interesting ending where she starts
54:55
Speaker 1: kind of backtracking and she's like, the government didn't give
54:58
Speaker 1: us what we need. Yeah, and it seems like he
55:01
Speaker 1: kind of red pilled her a little bit. Yeah, I mean,
55:03
Speaker 1: what the fuck?
55:05
Speaker 3: You know what? And she might be that might be true,
55:07
Speaker 3: that might be the whole like the reason why that
55:09
Speaker 3: shit didn't like, is not very accurate? Is because you know,
55:13
Speaker 3: they just didn't have The Bush administration was like, yeah, sorry,
55:17
Speaker 3: we just don't have the extra money for you guys
55:20
Speaker 3: to figure out what happened to You're sorry, wells, it
55:23
Speaker 3: was all weirdly enough, it was all in that wing
55:27
Speaker 3: of the Pentagon, all of your money for the commission.
55:30
Speaker 1: Sorry, that would be a shocking turn of events, but
55:33
Speaker 1: just a coincidence. I believe in coincidence.
55:35
Speaker 3: Absolutely coincidences exist.
55:37
Speaker 1: There was one thing that they didn't bring up in
55:41
Speaker 1: this episode that I've always been fascinated by. It's one
55:46
Speaker 1: of those things that's getting harder and harder to find
55:48
Speaker 1: information about. But there was a news story that happened
55:53
Speaker 1: right around nine to eleven involving this cab driver named
55:57
Speaker 1: Lloyd England. And there are no eyewitnesses to this claim,
56:03
Speaker 1: which remember this happened at like eight in the morning
56:05
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday, there's gonna be some cars on the
56:07
Speaker 1: road in Washington, d C. But he claimed that he
56:12
Speaker 1: was driving near the Pentagon plane goes overhead and it
56:16
Speaker 1: knocks a light pole into his car, wow, like right
56:20
Speaker 1: through the windshield, And he says a good samaritan helped
56:24
Speaker 1: him drag the light pole back out of the car.
56:27
Speaker 1: But then if you look at the car, yes, the
56:30
Speaker 1: wind shield is busted and looks like something approximately the
56:35
Speaker 1: size of a light pole might have gone through it,
56:38
Speaker 1: But there is not a scratch on the hood of
56:42
Speaker 1: that car. There's not a dent that Like, not when
56:47
Speaker 1: this light pole goes through his windshield. Yeah, and not
56:50
Speaker 1: when he and this good samaritan apparently drag it out.
56:54
Speaker 1: And I've always he's like one of the only witnesses
56:59
Speaker 1: that says the plane approached from the direction the official
57:02
Speaker 1: account says it approached. Yeah, there's lots of other witnesses
57:06
Speaker 1: who are like, no, it came came from the other way.
57:09
Speaker 1: And he's always been subtle because that's a legit news report. Yeah,
57:13
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not like something that was made by
57:16
Speaker 1: one American news network. It was local DC news. Yeah.
57:21
Speaker 3: You know what's really weird is I just clicked on
57:23
Speaker 3: the link to look at the video that you put
57:25
Speaker 3: in the notes of the of the car, and uh,
57:29
Speaker 3: for some reason that the entire video is just a
57:32
Speaker 3: green screen for me when I look at it.
57:34
Speaker 1: So weird.
57:34
Speaker 3: What, Yeah, talk about a conspiracy I don't know what
57:37
Speaker 3: this is. I've never encountered this on YouTube before, and
57:40
Speaker 3: I'm a YouTube Premium member. I should be getting the
57:44
Speaker 3: most pristine video quality possible.
57:48
Speaker 1: It's working for me. Here's the thing. Check your drivers
57:51
Speaker 1: might need an updated graphics driver.
57:54
Speaker 3: Maybe I have a very new driver. Maybe I'll check anyway,
57:59
Speaker 3: That was it weird?
58:00
Speaker 1: I just found that strange. Yeah, so they don't want
58:02
Speaker 1: you to agree with me on this episode.
58:05
Speaker 3: This is the nine to eleven video they don't want
58:07
Speaker 3: you to see.
58:09
Speaker 1: Actually, you know what? Hold on? Oh wait, no, I forgot.
58:12
Speaker 1: You can't for some reason, you can't send document like
58:15
Speaker 1: attachments in zoom.
58:17
Speaker 3: Yeah. I hate the zoom chat. I hate it. Sucks it.
58:22
Speaker 3: It pops out in a weird window and it you
58:26
Speaker 3: can't I can't even put an image in here. I've
58:28
Speaker 3: got this great image of Jesse Ventura that I've been
58:32
Speaker 3: I wanted to put in the chat so bad, and
58:34
Speaker 3: I can't have to text it to you after the
58:36
Speaker 3: episode's done because I'm using my fucking phone as a camera.
58:39
Speaker 3: It's a good one, though, I think it'll come in
58:41
Speaker 3: handy for an episode talking about nine to eleven.
58:43
Speaker 1: Oh, actually, this is a good picture. I'm gonna drop
58:46
Speaker 1: a link. I just I need you to see this
58:49
Speaker 1: because it just seems excessively weird to me. You see,
58:54
Speaker 1: look at that damage on and if you could watch
58:57
Speaker 1: the video you get a better look at hood. But
59:01
Speaker 1: all of that damage in the windshield, there's nothing on
59:04
Speaker 1: the hood. There's no dents, there's no scrapes, there's no scratches.
59:08
Speaker 1: And he and some unidentified person allegedly drug a light
59:14
Speaker 1: pole out of that vehicle, and they would have obviously
59:18
Speaker 1: taken it the same way it came in, so there's
59:21
Speaker 1: like not even a dent from them standing on the hood.
59:24
Speaker 3: Yeah. Nothing, Yeah, this is weird. I don't know. I
59:29
Speaker 3: literally never heard this story before today, so that's super weird.
59:34
Speaker 1: I don't know about that there. This is one that
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Speaker 1: I think will end up doing a whole episode on
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Speaker 1: just because I'm fascinated by it and I've like read
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Speaker 1: about it a few times. But there there's like an
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Speaker 1: hour and a half Vimeo video about this, So I'm
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Speaker 1: sure that's normal. Yeah. Oh yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: it's all on. You should check out the image. I
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Speaker 1: sint you. I think you'll really enjoy it. Oh, hell,
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Speaker 1: I would wear that. Fuck Yeah, Jesse Ventura.
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Speaker 3: That's on his wiki page for the WWE.
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Speaker 1: I found that really great.
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Speaker 3: Anyway, just imagined him rocking into that in some of
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Speaker 3: these confrontations.
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Speaker 1: That's what he should do.
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Speaker 3: It would be amazing.
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Speaker 1: The boa, the sunglasses, all.
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Speaker 3: It's all stays can including the heeled boots.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I love it so so Yeah, Lloyd Anglin, that's
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Speaker 1: a weird yeah at all, which I was legitimately surprised
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Speaker 1: by because that news report, it the one I linked to,
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Speaker 1: happens on the Sunday after nine to eleven, so it
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Speaker 1: was definitely known.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, Jesus talk about getting lost in
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Speaker 3: the noise, like there was so much shit talk being
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Speaker 3: talked about on nine to eleven after it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it seems weird that if light poles were
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Speaker 1: falling on that stretch of road, then be the only
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Speaker 1: car to get.
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Speaker 3: Hit, but only one?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very strange. Yeah, I don't know, so maybe
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Speaker 1: we'll get into that in a future episode. But until then, Uh,
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Speaker 1: for one thing, check your pets for tics, yeah obviously,
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Speaker 1: but also do we have anything to plug before we
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Speaker 1: get out of here?
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Speaker 3: Well, of course, you know, I'm I'm a host of
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Speaker 3: a podcast on iHeartRadio. Uh, you know about conspiracy Conspiracy
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Speaker 3: the show Conspiracy Corner.
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Speaker 1: Conspiracy Corner.
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Speaker 3: I can't remember the rest of that ridiculous corporate tagline
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Speaker 3: for the podcast that we were making fun.
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Speaker 1: Of conspiracy and cats.
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Speaker 3: The World by NPR Radio. Anyway, shout out to any
1:01:50
Speaker 3: of those companies exactly. That's my plug.
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Speaker 1: Twitter high there. That's it. Bye. I swear I'm going
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Speaker 1: to start using the conspiracy Instagram at some point. It's
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Speaker 1: on my phone. It's on my phone. I just haven't
1:02:03
Speaker 1: you know, it's on the to do list. Yeah, so
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Speaker 1: follow us there. It's just fears.
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Speaker 3: It's just such an important site for an audio medium
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Speaker 3: to be on. So I understand why it take a
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Speaker 3: lot into consideration.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we do this over zoom. It's not like
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Speaker 1: sure couldn't record.
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Speaker 3: I would rather. I'm fine doing it every once in
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Speaker 3: a while, but I much prefer just, you know, wearing
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Speaker 3: my fucking pajama shirts.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, I'm always wearing pajamas, even if
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Speaker 1: we are live streaming. So that's our episode. Let's get
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Speaker 1: the hell out of here. Olivia say goodbye bye, goodbye, everybody.
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Speaker 1: We love you.
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Speaker 2: District int