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Book Club: Pride and Prejudice · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to Steph.
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Speaker 1: I never told your prediction of iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2: Ah. And the time has come, and what time you
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Speaker 2: may all be asking? That time to bring in the
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Speaker 2: good old classics. Yes, for our book club, we are
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Speaker 2: finally coming to one of my all time favorites, Pride
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Speaker 2: and Prejudice by Jane Austen, And it's a truth universally
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Speaker 2: acknowledged that are now famous and respected. Writer Jane Austen
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Speaker 2: really was a woman beyond her time. So let's come
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Speaker 2: together and discuss one of her more popular novels, Pride
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Speaker 2: and Prejudice, which actually had a different title, but then
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Speaker 2: they changed it about and they're like, Okay, no, we
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Speaker 2: need to make it in this title, which is what
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Speaker 2: we know it. It's just Pride and Prejudice. Barely. There
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Speaker 2: was like several other books that had been I think
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Speaker 2: named that or something along those lines, and so there
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Speaker 2: was a lot of confusion and she went back and forth. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: it is now what it is, and sounded like she
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Speaker 2: did not make much money off of it, y'all. It's
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Speaker 2: a really sad life. She had a really kind of
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Speaker 2: sad life. It emulated a lot of through her books,
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Speaker 2: like you'll see things being told like the whole entailment
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Speaker 2: when there's not a son born that the like the
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Speaker 2: next male heir or like related relation will take it,
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Speaker 2: take over it. And like there was a bit where
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Speaker 2: one brother there's a book and I forgot which one
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Speaker 2: because I read it's been a long time takes the
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Speaker 2: takes the ownership. And in the wheel, they're like, can
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Speaker 2: you please take care of the mother and the daughters
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Speaker 2: And he does not. He like just pretty much just
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Speaker 2: cast them out. It was really sad and gross. Ah,
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Speaker 2: and it's kind of reminiscent to her life, like it's
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Speaker 2: not not great. She wasn't given to do even though
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Speaker 2: she had success pretty early on, she just didn't make
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Speaker 2: money off of it, which is all sad.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and we have talked about that before. I feel
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Speaker 1: like it's come up in several episodes. I think it
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Speaker 1: even came up in our episode on women writing romance.
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Speaker 1: Briefly it came up. This was inspired by the fact
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Speaker 1: that I had read that after we read last month's
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Speaker 1: book club pick Pride, which was a remix of Pride
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Speaker 1: and Prejudice, it came out. I had never read this
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Speaker 1: one I feel like we kind of talked about it
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Speaker 1: in there, and we talked about it in some other
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Speaker 1: because I feel like I know, like the vague details
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Speaker 1: of this because you've told me, right, but I don't
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Speaker 1: know all the specifics right.
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Speaker 2: And I think I'm geting coviews because we did have
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Speaker 2: an expert who did tours or if you remember that
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Speaker 2: episode in England, which I still want to go on, like,
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Speaker 2: oh my god, I want to go. I want to
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Speaker 2: go to hear because I think I'm wrong in some
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Speaker 2: things because she did have brothers, they just ended up
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Speaker 2: being like not from a wealthy family, all these things,
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Speaker 2: but like her father was a scholar, all these different things,
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Speaker 2: and the book was initially called First Impressions, which is
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Speaker 2: I think it makes a lot of sense, like when
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Speaker 2: you think about all of that, and the pride and
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Speaker 2: prejudice came instead so so many different things. Uh, we
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Speaker 2: did have that episode. We probably need to bring it
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Speaker 2: back as a classic so I can be corrected. And
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Speaker 2: what I just said about Jane Austen, but she did
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Speaker 2: she was like, she did not live a rich life
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Speaker 2: and she was supposed to marry someone rich and then
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Speaker 2: that didn't happen. And all these things. So she wanted
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Speaker 2: to marry for love, and we really really like wrote
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Speaker 2: about the possibility of being able to do so, but
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Speaker 2: she didn't. Anyway, before we jump into the actual plot, Annie,
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Speaker 2: what are your thoughts now that I have forced you
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Speaker 2: into actually reading the original classic because I've made you
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Speaker 2: watch Bridget Jones' Diary, which is kind, which is a
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Speaker 2: retelling of that, as well as we read the book Pride.
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Speaker 2: So what were your thoughts?
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Speaker 1: It was really interesting to come from that perspective, and
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Speaker 1: I actually think it was sort of helpful because we've
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Speaker 1: also read Persuasions by Jane Austen and I really like
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Speaker 1: I enjoyed that too, but I got confused because of
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Speaker 1: the way they would refer to people, so like miss
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Speaker 1: whoever right, And there's just a certain part of my
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Speaker 1: modern brain that's like, that's your cousin, though, So I
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Speaker 1: would just get confused. So I think it actually helped
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Speaker 1: me to have read Pride first. I really enjoyed it.
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Speaker 1: I see why it's been such a lasting classic. It's
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Speaker 1: got so many great lines. It's very witty, That's why
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Speaker 1: I told you, And I know people have said that before,
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Speaker 1: but it's very witty. Like, Elizabeth has just got all
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Speaker 1: these comebacks, and they're so well thought out and fun.
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Speaker 1: They're fun to read. I enjoyed all of the like
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Speaker 1: relationships between like Elizabeth and her father, and then you
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Speaker 1: got the mother who's like worrying all the time. And
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Speaker 1: I also thought it was interesting because when you're looking
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Speaker 1: at the more modern take that Pride did their cell phones,
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Speaker 1: so things happen much quicker, right, So the whole thing
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Speaker 1: with Lydia, I was like, well, wow, this is clearly different.
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Speaker 1: This is like much more stressful because we don't know
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Speaker 1: where she is.
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Speaker 3: We're just going by horsecarash to try. Yeah, there's my
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Speaker 3: favorite part. It's like the Overnight Express and all these things. Yes,
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Speaker 3: but yeah, and then also that's why I was like
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Speaker 3: originally telling you, I was like, I'm not sure how
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Speaker 3: they're going to do the Lydia the youngest child. But
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Speaker 3: because in this cake, she's fifteen runs away with a
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Speaker 3: twenty something year old. Oh, obviously they're like in fo grante.
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Speaker 2: As I say, uh, and her reputation would be shot
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, are they gonna have see because it's
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Speaker 2: supposed to be one of the things, like age difference
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Speaker 2: is one of those things as well, like all these
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Speaker 2: things and I'm like, how are they going to do this?
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Speaker 2: And she did a wonderful job, and what like what
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Speaker 2: would be the scandals today? That wasn't they're going to
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Speaker 2: put someone in jail?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was it was still tense and pride.
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Speaker 1: It was just like resolved much more quickly.
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Speaker 2: Right right, right. She did a great job on that. Yes,
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Speaker 2: But yeah, so what would you wait it on the
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Speaker 2: scale of books they read that you've read.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I really I don't know how to put
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Speaker 1: it on scales, man. But I did really enjoy it.
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Speaker 1: And it's funny because I all my friends growing up
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Speaker 1: loved it, and I just it was never like, oh
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Speaker 1: I won't read that. I just wasn't into romance, so
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Speaker 1: I just never did. But I did really enjoy it.
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Speaker 1: And like I said, I was like, oh, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: could see you told me you read it in like
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Speaker 1: one night. I was like, oh, I can because you
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Speaker 1: just like, oh, I want to see what happens next.
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Speaker 1: It was a really enjoyable book. And I think it's
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Speaker 1: pretty impressive that for you know, me coming into it
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Speaker 1: in the year twenty twenty four, that I was still
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Speaker 1: like oh yes, yeah, this is hitting. Yeah, yeah, Like
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Speaker 1: it was really enjoyable and it didn't feel like there
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Speaker 1: were certainly some things where I was like, oh, that
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Speaker 1: must be a thing at the time, but mostly I
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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, this is still people are kind of.
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Speaker 2: Like this right, And you know what, I had to
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Speaker 2: come back at the end and say, as annoying as
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Speaker 2: the mother character is, she's not wrong in something, and
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Speaker 2: like I was like, yeah, I get it, I get it,
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Speaker 2: but yeah, let's jump into it and we're gonna start
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Speaker 2: with the characters because I feel like that needs to
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Speaker 2: be the breakdown first, or you're you're probably if you
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Speaker 2: have not read it and you do like to read,
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Speaker 2: this is something that you should pick up if you
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Speaker 2: haven't already. I'm gonna be surprised if you haven't. But
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Speaker 2: for those of you who maybe like naysayers because you
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Speaker 2: don't understand the level of newness and freshness for this
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Speaker 2: book during this time and what she was saying about
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Speaker 2: society Austin in itself again going against the idea, Like
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Speaker 2: she understood the rules and followed them, however she really
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Speaker 2: felt like they were ridiculous, as we all do, I think,
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Speaker 2: and I think we're learning that more and more, and
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Speaker 2: then there's just the unfair fairness of it all as well.
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Speaker 2: But she also is like she's a girl's girl, but
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Speaker 2: not a girl's girl here I will say she has
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Speaker 2: like Elizabeth the main character. So there's a lot to
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Speaker 2: be said about this fun fact. Audible has it and
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Speaker 2: rosemand Pike is the one who reads it. So who
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Speaker 2: plays Jane in the newer adaptation with Kiera Knightley that
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Speaker 2: I hate of pride and prejudice HM, just so we
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Speaker 2: had that and she does squeak with the voices. It
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Speaker 2: really threw me off though. I was like, she has
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Speaker 2: a very shrill voice for the mother threw me off,
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Speaker 2: and I think it's also a kind of like higher
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Speaker 2: speeds those even shriller right in which she's voicing putpil
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Speaker 2: job because I do love Rozen Pike. She does a
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Speaker 2: great job. And so if you want entertaining to listen
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Speaker 2: and you needed a break from our podcast, which I
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Speaker 2: hope you don't take a break, but if you need,
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Speaker 2: you know, but something in between, you should listen to that.
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Speaker 2: So we have the Bennettes and relations and friends that
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Speaker 2: you should know about which the main character is Elizabeth,
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Speaker 2: who's the second oldest daughter in the Bennett family. You're
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Speaker 2: gonna hear most of it from her point of view,
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Speaker 2: or see it from most most of it from her
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Speaker 2: point of view and narrators. Obviously, we have Jane, who
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Speaker 2: is the oldest and fan west and kindest of them all,
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Speaker 2: kind mannered, best disposition, according to all of the narrations,
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Speaker 2: Mary the middle and the plain his sister really cruel,
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Speaker 2: but she's also very serious and scholarly and little too stoic,
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Speaker 2: to the point that she misreads the room a lot.
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Speaker 2: Then we have Catherine Kitty, who is the fourth daughter.
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Speaker 2: She doesn't get as much play because she's not seen
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Speaker 2: as much, but she's one of the sillier, as her
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Speaker 2: father would put put it, girls of the family. Then
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Speaker 2: you have Lydia, who is the youngest and most spoiled
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Speaker 2: and very loud, and Kitty lives under her shadow, essentially.
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Speaker 2: Then we have mister Bennett, who is the father, who
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Speaker 2: is very sarcastic, very stoic, obviously, does not care much
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Speaker 2: for his wife in personality, but loves his all, loves
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Speaker 2: his family. But his favorite probably would go with Jane
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Speaker 2: and Elizabeth because they have the most sense. As he
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Speaker 2: would say, Then we have Missus Bennett, who is the
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Speaker 2: mother of very materialistic, very like, disingenuous, judgmental, a little
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Speaker 2: bit of a kypochondriac, and loves to tell people how
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Speaker 2: she suffers. Then we have Charlotte Lucas who is Elizabeth's
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Speaker 2: friend and their neighbor essentially best friend. Mister Collins who
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Speaker 2: is the cousin of the family and is the male
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Speaker 2: relation that will be owning a long worn after the
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Speaker 2: father passes away because he's the next male relative. Then
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Speaker 2: we have the Gardeners who hit the is. Mister Gardner
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Speaker 2: is the brother to miss Bennett, Missus Bennett the wife
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Speaker 2: and his wife who comes into play Missus Gardners. We
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Speaker 2: have mister and Missus Gardner. Then we have Darcy and Friends.
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Speaker 2: We have Fitz William Darcy who is the main love
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Speaker 2: interest male character, proud wealthy owner of Pemberley. We have
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Speaker 2: Charles Bingley who is a handsome, amiable, wealthy friend who
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Speaker 2: takes over Netherfield Park which is in that area Meryton
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Speaker 2: area as well. We have Caroline Bingley who is the
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Speaker 2: sister to Bingley, who is also very judgmental in high society.
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Speaker 2: Louisa Hurst, who is also the sister to Bingley and
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Speaker 2: her husband mister Hurst, who comes into play. We have
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Speaker 2: our Colonel Fitzwilliams, who is Darcy's cousin that comes just
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Speaker 2: for a slight scene, but fairly important. We have Lady
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Speaker 2: Catherine de Bergh, who is the aunt to Darcy, also
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Speaker 2: very important and the benefactor to benefactress I guess, to Collins,
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Speaker 2: mister Collins who has a daughter named Anne just you know,
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Speaker 2: she's not really big, but just you know, you know.
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Speaker 2: And then we have Georgina Darcy, who is the younger
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Speaker 2: sister of Darcy.
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Speaker 1: There you go, got it.
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Speaker 2: You're welcome. So here is a rundown. I thought I
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Speaker 2: thought it was gonna be quick, but it is not.
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Speaker 2: Because I am me and I love the story. Here
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Speaker 2: we go and go ahead and put this as a
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Speaker 2: kind of like a warning. I guess. I have watched
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Speaker 2: the BBC series way too many times to count, like
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Speaker 2: I own the DVDs. I have found them on Disney,
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Speaker 2: thank you very much, and I have repeatedly watched them
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Speaker 2: that I just recently watched them as I was also
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Speaker 2: listening to the book. Yes I did, so. Some of
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Speaker 2: these things overlap and how it happens because there's obviously
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Speaker 2: interpretations when it comes to the filming. Still the best
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Speaker 2: adaptation to me, of course, it's like eighteen twenty hours long,
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Speaker 2: and that's why. However, so if I get some of
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Speaker 2: these things mixed up because it was different on the show,
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Speaker 2: please forgive me. But it kind of runs in the
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Speaker 2: same line. And Annie, you're ready, we're gonna go through this.
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Speaker 1: I swear to got it fast, not right.
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Speaker 2: So we have the announcement with the infamous starting line,
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Speaker 2: It is a truth universally acknowledged that a single man
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Speaker 2: in possession of a good fortune must be in want
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Speaker 2: of a wife, obviously, and it begins with an announcement
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Speaker 2: that Netherfield has been let at last a very eligible bachelor,
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Speaker 2: which Miss Bennett has set her sights on for her
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Speaker 2: dear daughters. After some teasing and back and forth with
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Speaker 2: her husband, mister Bennett, finally it meant to having actually
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Speaker 2: made introductions to with the new gentleman of the neighborhood,
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Speaker 2: mister Bingley. So you have to do that first or
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Speaker 2: it'd be improper. They the women could not talk to him,
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Speaker 2: remember society. After an encounter at a neighborhood ball at
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Speaker 2: Bingley falls head over hills for the lovely Jane, which
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Speaker 2: comes to no surprise. We also meet the sisters Caroline
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Speaker 2: and Louisa, along with Bingley's best friend mister Darcy, who
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Speaker 2: was disliked from the moment he opens his mouth, Rude
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Speaker 2: and too proud many say about him, even to the
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Speaker 2: point that he refuses to dance at the ball, even
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Speaker 2: with the lovely Elizabeth, who finds it all a joke
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Speaker 2: and easily brushes the size and says, I wouldn't even
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Speaker 2: think about it dancing with him. He's fine, I don't
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Speaker 2: need him. And as for mister Bingley and Jane, they
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Speaker 2: seem to hit it off. Even the sisters. Bingley sisters
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Speaker 2: are incline to like her, even with the fact that
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Speaker 2: she is has unfortunate connections as a not high society. Later,
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Speaker 2: Jane is invited to Netherfield while the men are away
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Speaker 2: to visit with the sisters. Missus Bennett plots instance Jane
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Speaker 2: off on horseback instead of a carriage as it looks
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Speaker 2: like rain and she may have to stay at Netherfield
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Speaker 2: for a bit longer than expected. Jane ends up getting
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Speaker 2: a cold because yes, it does rain, and having to
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Speaker 2: remain there for a while and after the weather has cleared,
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Speaker 2: Elizabeth goes to visit and take care of her sister
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Speaker 2: at Netherfield because she can't leave her alone obviously, and
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Speaker 2: of course this leads to her having to interact with
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Speaker 2: the Bingleys and Darcy, where we find them having a
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Speaker 2: rousing discussion of false like pride and vanity. Yes, and
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Speaker 2: here's a quote. Yes, vanity is a weakness indeed, because
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Speaker 2: she accuses him of that. But pride, where there's this
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Speaker 2: real superiority of mind, Pride will be always under good regulation.
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Speaker 2: So he's like, that's not a fault, it's dis earned.
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Speaker 2: After an embarrassing visit from the mother at Netherfield, and
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Speaker 2: once Jane is finally recovered, they go home, but we
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Speaker 2: find out that Darcy is in danger of falling for
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Speaker 2: Elizabeth and her wit and her charms at this time Reiro.
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Speaker 2: Soon we have a very entertaining visit from the Bennett's cousin,
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Speaker 2: mister Collins, who has traveled there not only to reconcile
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Speaker 2: from past indifferences or past differences, but also possibly bridgid
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Speaker 2: tie in between tie between them and the Bennetes. Yes,
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Speaker 2: Collins being the next Bill in the family. Line will
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Speaker 2: be inheriting Longbourne and has plans of trying to marry
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Speaker 2: one of his cousins with the blessings of his patronage,
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Speaker 2: Lady Katherin de Bergh, who is rich and somewhat eccentric
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Speaker 2: and very narcissistic, but hey. After finding out that Jane
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Speaker 2: was unavailable, he decides on Elizabeth as his choice. Obviously.
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Speaker 2: All the while, the militia has moved into Meryton, to
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Speaker 2: the excitement of Lydia and Kitty and so many others.
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Speaker 2: Soon we meet Wickham, a handsome and very light man
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Speaker 2: of the militia, and of course we find out that
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Speaker 2: Wickham and Darcy have an unfavorable connection. Wickham just says
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Speaker 2: pretty much that Darcy lies, takes away his money, takes
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Speaker 2: away his home, and does not like him because Darcy's
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Speaker 2: father preferred Wickham over himself rout Row. That's a wretched
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Speaker 2: thing and very very unforgivable according to all the society
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Speaker 2: and Elizabeth, And soon Wickham shows his affections towards Elizabeth,
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Speaker 2: who doesn't mind it at all because he's quite nice
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Speaker 2: and quite nice looking. Later, the gardeners, the aunt and
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Speaker 2: uncle join who and they are really good influences to
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Speaker 2: the young ladies and someone Elizabeth sees as people of
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Speaker 2: good respect and opinions. Missus Gardner, however, advises Elizabeth to
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Speaker 2: be wary of Wickham and to remember her own status
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Speaker 2: and needs for a good marriage. You know, you have
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Speaker 2: to have a good marriage or are you going to
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Speaker 2: be sad? Soon we have a much awaited gathering, the
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Speaker 2: much weighting gathering rather at Netherfield with all the people,
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Speaker 2: including so militia. Unfortunately, Wickham was not able to make
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Speaker 2: it due to other matters, to Elizabeth's disappointment. But mister Collins,
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Speaker 2: who's still there, takes up her first two dances and
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Speaker 2: is very embarrassing and very clumsy about it all. He
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Speaker 2: just can't get it. Mister Darcy, however, also asks for
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Speaker 2: a dance, which Elizabeth agrees to after being too stunned
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Speaker 2: to reject him, and she tries to make conversation does
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Speaker 2: not go well. After some embarrassing interactions by her family,
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Speaker 2: Elizabeth and family go back home where the mother was
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Speaker 2: so excited about all these interactions and the possibility of
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Speaker 2: these good connections. Soon we have a proposal of marriage
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Speaker 2: from for Elizabeth from Colin mister Collins, who was rejected
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Speaker 2: and dejected and flees to the Lucas' home for a
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Speaker 2: reprieve because you know, embarrassment, and soon find out that
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Speaker 2: Bingley's and Darcy's have left to go back into town.
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Speaker 2: Oh no, as in London, like away from Netherfield. Because town.
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Speaker 2: And also, by the way, this is how I refer
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Speaker 2: to town and when I was growing up in North Georgia,
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Speaker 2: because it was far away from my house, so I
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Speaker 2: would go into town, right. He made fun of me
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Speaker 2: for that, still do anyway. And at this point we
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Speaker 2: also find that Charlotte is engaged to mister Collins, to
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Speaker 2: missus Bennet's displeasure, because she wanted Elizabeth to marry him
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Speaker 2: as well as if I heard line, her home was
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Speaker 2: going to be taken over by the Lucases, how dare they?
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Speaker 2: And she's very mad at Elizabeth, very mad and all
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Speaker 2: the while, Wickham turns his attentions to a different woman
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Speaker 2: away from Elizabeth, who has a lot of money, and
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Speaker 2: Elizabeth accept that he has to marry for money as well,
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Speaker 2: so you know, understandable. Jane, in her heartbreak, goes off
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Speaker 2: with her aunt and uncle Gardner's, where she finds out
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Speaker 2: that the bingley sisters seem to know to want anything
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Speaker 2: to do with her, and that Bingley may soon be
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Speaker 2: married to Darcy's sister, Georgiana. Elizabeth embarks on a journey
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Speaker 2: as well to visit Chara at her new home with
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Speaker 2: mister Collins, and so many things happened, including getting to
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Speaker 2: meet the famous lady Catherine de Burgh, running into mister
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Speaker 2: Darcy and his cousin, Colonel William, who also takes a
20:10
Speaker 2: liking to Miss Bennett as well, but also doesn't have
20:12
Speaker 2: any money, so there's that. Soon, she finds out some
20:16
Speaker 2: very important information. Darcy was intended to marry the Burgh's
20:20
Speaker 2: daughter Anne, but Darcy wants to marry Elizabeth and proposes
20:25
Speaker 2: in a very insulting manner, say that he wished she
20:27
Speaker 2: didn't like her, essentially because she was so far beneath him,
20:30
Speaker 2: so nice of him. Mister Darcy and Bingley's sister purposely
20:34
Speaker 2: drove Bingley away from Jane and misled both of them,
20:39
Speaker 2: and Wickham had lied about his entire situation, and that
20:43
Speaker 2: actually Wickham had tried to take gotten money instead of
20:47
Speaker 2: the building that he wanted because all he wanted was money,
20:50
Speaker 2: and then tried after he ran out of money and
20:52
Speaker 2: felt duped. He tried to run away with Darcy's younger
20:57
Speaker 2: sister and make this a really bad situation, which Darcy
21:01
Speaker 2: discovered them and quickly ran wick them out of town.
21:05
Speaker 2: So all of that, remember that these are all the
21:08
Speaker 2: things that she discovered. She was very, very very upset
21:11
Speaker 2: when we were turning home, in so many secrets that
21:14
Speaker 2: she had to hide, including from her sister that yes,
21:18
Speaker 2: there was trickery into the demise of their relationship. So
21:23
Speaker 2: decides to finally go on vacation with her aunt and
21:27
Speaker 2: uncle Gardner. They all proceeded to tour Derbyshire, including the
21:31
Speaker 2: beautiful land of Pemberley, which is owned by the Darcys,
21:35
Speaker 2: thinking that the owners were not home. But oh, Darcy
21:39
Speaker 2: arrives unexpectedly is more and it's quite polite and very
21:43
Speaker 2: very welcoming to her and her family, and throughout that
21:47
Speaker 2: time she's there, they interact more, making Elizabeth slowly change
21:51
Speaker 2: her mind about Darcy. Soon she meets his sister, Georgiana,
21:56
Speaker 2: who she likes immediately, and then she also sees her
21:59
Speaker 2: all acquaintance, says the Bingleys, including the sisters. Unfortunately, and
22:04
Speaker 2: as everything seems to be going so well, Elizabeth soon
22:08
Speaker 2: finds out that oh no, her youngest sister has run
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Speaker 2: away with Wickham. Oh and she returns home quickly, but
22:16
Speaker 2: not before telling mister Darcy all of these bad news,
22:18
Speaker 2: and she knows and he knows what this is about.
22:21
Speaker 2: And after returning home, she finds the home in a
22:24
Speaker 2: terrible state and her father out searching for his daughter
22:26
Speaker 2: along with her uncle Gardner. However, after many days of waiting,
22:31
Speaker 2: good news comes and we find out that Lydia and
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Speaker 2: Wickham have married, so making it all right correcting this situation.
22:38
Speaker 2: Later we find out that Darcy was the main reason
22:41
Speaker 2: for this, and that he has financially backed the entire marriage.
22:46
Speaker 2: Soon we have entertaining every interactions between Lady Catherine, who
22:50
Speaker 2: comes to forbid Lizzie from even thinking about marrying her
22:55
Speaker 2: Darcy because she's you know, he's intended for her daughter.
22:58
Speaker 2: And after all that nothing comes about. A bit later
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Speaker 2: we have a happy ending that we've been waiting for
23:05
Speaker 2: as Bingley returns and proposes to Jane and tells her
23:08
Speaker 2: the truth of why he didn't see her and all
23:10
Speaker 2: the things that had mistakenly happened, And that is soon
23:14
Speaker 2: followed by Darcy proposing again to Elizabeth and this time
23:19
Speaker 2: having a different reaction as well as the different approach,
23:22
Speaker 2: and of course this shocks both her father and mother.
23:25
Speaker 2: They're like what And soon they are married and live
23:30
Speaker 2: happily ever after, with her father visiting Elizabeth and Darcy
23:34
Speaker 2: often to get away from his family, and Elizabeth teaching
23:37
Speaker 2: Georgiana to be a little shocking as she continues to
23:40
Speaker 2: tease Darcy throughout their life, rest of their marriage and
23:43
Speaker 2: life together the end. I love that ending. So in
24:00
Speaker 2: the in the BBC series, they don't have that ending.
24:03
Speaker 2: They just have them you know, driving away after their weddings,
24:07
Speaker 2: so happy and finally kiss. Because they don't kiss. This
24:10
Speaker 2: is kind of like a like a Korean drama, like
24:12
Speaker 2: they don't kiss until they of course, to be fair,
24:16
Speaker 2: it is like supposed to be based in that time,
24:19
Speaker 2: they don't do that or dear. But in the book
24:23
Speaker 2: you see a scene where she's teasing Darcy still and
24:27
Speaker 2: the sisters just like blushing and shocked, but at the
24:30
Speaker 2: same time like all loving the fact that she stands
24:33
Speaker 2: up for herself essentially, and I love that scene. I
24:36
Speaker 2: was like, that's such a great idea. And then also
24:38
Speaker 2: we find out that Lydia and Wickham are not happy people,
24:41
Speaker 2: but they're maintaining and often asking for money from them.
24:46
Speaker 2: But we also don't see in the show where the
24:49
Speaker 2: gardeners are so well respected. You get an inkling of it.
24:52
Speaker 2: But in the book they really talk about how like
24:56
Speaker 2: Darcy really likes them and realizes how upstanding these people
24:59
Speaker 2: are and all they things. And I really like that
25:01
Speaker 2: portion of the book. And I was like, oh, wish
25:03
Speaker 2: there was a better way to interpret how good people
25:05
Speaker 2: they are, because you don't really see that throughout. But yeah,
25:10
Speaker 2: so that is the entirety of the book. To go
25:14
Speaker 2: and watch a good adaptation. Go watch the BBC version, y'all.
25:19
Speaker 1: We I was like, we should just do that as
25:22
Speaker 1: our movie for this month.
25:23
Speaker 2: That you were like that it's literally the same thing,
25:26
Speaker 2: but like you should definitely watch it. Of course, there's
25:30
Speaker 2: several several themes throughout the One of the biggest one
25:34
Speaker 2: in this class uh. I think the constant back and
25:37
Speaker 2: forth about status in class, whether it's about the minutes,
25:41
Speaker 2: uh and their entailment. So we know if we find
25:44
Speaker 2: out that level of like they're kind of lower on
25:46
Speaker 2: the ranking because they don't have a son and so
25:48
Speaker 2: as soon as the father dies, they're screwed, essentially. And
25:53
Speaker 2: then we have the whole conversation a bit again about
25:55
Speaker 2: the gardener's being shopkeepers or lawyers, that that's not well
25:59
Speaker 2: received and as part of society, even how mister Lucas
26:03
Speaker 2: Colonel I believe, who is a gentleman and in part
26:06
Speaker 2: of society, is still looked down on because he was
26:08
Speaker 2: not originally knighted, and so he was knighted after the fact,
26:12
Speaker 2: and they still looked down on him. About that, you
26:15
Speaker 2: see that conversation with the Bingleys, the sisters being very
26:19
Speaker 2: to do about this, and how they really did look upon,
26:23
Speaker 2: look down on the people of the country side, essentially
26:26
Speaker 2: of the American country side, and they were not impressed.
26:31
Speaker 2: Neither was Darcy, and he wasn't it, And about that entailment.
26:36
Speaker 2: The mother was really upset and could not understand why
26:39
Speaker 2: this could stand. Of course, her harping at her husband
26:43
Speaker 2: who had nothing, he could do nothing about it wasn't helpful,
26:47
Speaker 2: But she's right, who why why can't they stand up
26:51
Speaker 2: against this? This is just absolutely unfair.
26:53
Speaker 1: She is correct, she is correct, And that was one
26:56
Speaker 1: of the interesting things which I think is going to
26:59
Speaker 1: go really well with the the next theme we're going
27:01
Speaker 1: to talk about. But it was interesting to read from
27:05
Speaker 1: that time how important it was, you know, to get
27:09
Speaker 1: to marry off your daughters to someone will off hopefully
27:12
Speaker 1: or you know, the thread of like losing your property.
27:16
Speaker 1: But it was also kind of funny, like with Collins,
27:20
Speaker 1: He's like, I'll ask her. She said, no, all right,
27:23
Speaker 1: I'll try again later. Okay, no, okay, I'll try you.
27:27
Speaker 1: What do you say? Like it was kind of that
27:30
Speaker 1: very economic part of marriage, what marriage used to be.
27:34
Speaker 1: That we were seeing a lot right this.
27:36
Speaker 2: Right, and then there was a quote in there that
27:40
Speaker 2: we didn't talk about because we the y'all. The scene
27:43
Speaker 2: between Lady Katherin de Burgh and Elizabeth Uh, when Lady
27:48
Speaker 2: Katheryn comes and like tells her she forbids her is
27:52
Speaker 2: a masterclass of like being able to stand up for
27:56
Speaker 2: yourself and coming back. But at one point, like Katherine
28:00
Speaker 2: does say, will the shades of Pemberley be thus polluted
28:04
Speaker 2: by not only Elizabeth's stance in life, but also that
28:08
Speaker 2: what has just happened between Lydia and Wickham? Because even
28:11
Speaker 2: though everything kind of had been fixed, there's still a
28:14
Speaker 2: bit of notoriety of what happened there, and the people
28:17
Speaker 2: who knew about it know like this was not to
28:20
Speaker 2: be had and this is definitely a no no. So
28:23
Speaker 2: with that level of like that level of class, like
28:25
Speaker 2: these are the people that you're with, these are the
28:27
Speaker 2: people that you're associated with, which is a big conversation
28:31
Speaker 2: that happens.
28:32
Speaker 1: That was one of the reasons that it was so
28:35
Speaker 1: Elizabeth was so upset when she heard it. It was
28:37
Speaker 1: not only like, oh, I know Wickham and now my
28:41
Speaker 1: sister's been drawn up in this. It was like, my
28:43
Speaker 1: family is going to be associated with this, And that's
28:47
Speaker 1: part of the reason why Darcy, despite hating Wickham, went
28:52
Speaker 1: and tried to fix it, which in this case was
28:55
Speaker 1: like Okay, you actually are going to have to get married.
28:58
Speaker 1: But that was another instance of yeah, like the class
29:01
Speaker 1: of it all being this is gonna really.
29:05
Speaker 2: Bring us even lower, right like dess essentially, and then
29:13
Speaker 2: of course another conversation with class is wealth. Wealth was
29:16
Speaker 2: very very important, and they would compare who had the most,
29:19
Speaker 2: essentially talking about King I think that's the girl that
29:22
Speaker 2: Wickham goes after after he leaves Elizabeth because she had
29:27
Speaker 2: she had inherited ten thousand pounds and that made her
29:31
Speaker 2: very eligible and so like there's a line I think
29:34
Speaker 2: they say about like, oh, yeah, so that is a
29:38
Speaker 2: attribute indeed, like essentially like that is yes, yes, they
29:42
Speaker 2: talk about the comparison to the fact that, yes, Bingley
29:45
Speaker 2: has wealth, but Darcy has more wealth, like they have
29:49
Speaker 2: a whole comparison of what that looks like. And honestly,
29:52
Speaker 2: because Darcy and Bingley had so much wealth, they could
29:55
Speaker 2: marry quote unquote someone who was less wealthy and less
29:59
Speaker 2: u in standing in society, the Bennetts, even though they
30:04
Speaker 2: were great.
30:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was interesting to see that the relationship
30:10
Speaker 1: between Jane and Bingley because it sort of they sort
30:13
Speaker 1: of just hit it off, yeah, pretty immediately, and the
30:17
Speaker 1: mom was so happy about it. Missus Bennett was so
30:19
Speaker 1: happy about it. She's like, ah, yes, it's gonna work.
30:22
Speaker 1: But then you have like on Bingley's side, its sisters
30:25
Speaker 1: being like no, no, yeah, even though they were so
30:30
Speaker 1: they seemed like such a good match.
30:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, they initially liked Jane a lot, but they immediately said, unfortunately,
30:38
Speaker 2: her conductions they're something to look at. And they all
30:42
Speaker 2: were like no, no, no, no, no, even though they liked
30:44
Speaker 2: Jane as a person, and they were like and yeah,
30:48
Speaker 2: so that comes to our second theme, which is marriage.
30:52
Speaker 2: Women must marry well or they are all doomed. So
30:54
Speaker 2: at least one of them, as Elizabeth and Jane speak
30:57
Speaker 2: it to each other, have to marry from because that
31:02
Speaker 2: understanding is that they will take care of the rest
31:04
Speaker 2: of the children and the mother when the father passes away,
31:07
Speaker 2: with the assumption that the mother was going to live
31:10
Speaker 2: outlive the father, which he, mister Bennett does say, I
31:13
Speaker 2: might outlive you if we can just take that into consideration,
31:19
Speaker 2: which is yeah, which apparently was a thing that there
31:22
Speaker 2: was a lot of, like who's going to take care
31:24
Speaker 2: of us? Who's going to take care of us? Someone
31:25
Speaker 2: has to get married well, and you need to take
31:27
Speaker 2: care of us, which again that didn't always happen. I
31:31
Speaker 2: don't think, yeah, but I think they were given money
31:36
Speaker 2: right to the family, like they were kind of giving
31:39
Speaker 2: the dowry was from the woman though.
31:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean essentially women couldn't own property. Yeah, but
31:50
Speaker 1: I think if like the man, they got married to
31:54
Speaker 1: a wealthy man, then it's almost as if she gets
32:00
Speaker 1: to keep the place. It's sort of like a I
32:03
Speaker 1: don't know, consulatory prig right, but it's not Yeah, I
32:08
Speaker 1: mean it was really you were just counting on the
32:12
Speaker 1: guide to actually give you any money a lot of
32:15
Speaker 1: the time.
32:16
Speaker 2: Right, And then we have with that alliances the word
32:20
Speaker 2: fortunate alliance has been made or the phrase has been
32:23
Speaker 2: made was floated about. We see that with Lucas's talking
32:28
Speaker 2: about Charlotte getting married to mister Collins who is under
32:32
Speaker 2: the patronage of Lady Catherine de Burgh, and finding like, Okay,
32:36
Speaker 2: you have made a good choice here because these alliances
32:40
Speaker 2: allow us better reputation and better society. I guess role
32:45
Speaker 2: of women and being out. We have that whole conversation
32:49
Speaker 2: and the fact that there was a conversation in which
32:52
Speaker 2: the fact that Jane and Elizabeth were not married but
32:55
Speaker 2: the younger sisters were out before they were married, and
32:59
Speaker 2: how that was kind of scandalous.
33:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I thought that was interesting too, because Lydia
33:08
Speaker 1: has this whole thing where she's like, what if I
33:12
Speaker 1: get married first? Like she was very motivated, which is
33:18
Speaker 1: the society she was raised and it makes sense, but
33:20
Speaker 1: she was very motivated to be like I could be
33:22
Speaker 1: the first one, right that gets married. It was like
33:25
Speaker 1: a power.
33:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, she has more desire, like they desire her more
33:29
Speaker 2: and sofore she takes that trump and married women outstrip
33:33
Speaker 2: single women in general.
33:35
Speaker 1: Right, And so she was like, really, I'm going to
33:38
Speaker 1: go I'm going to do it first. And that's part
33:41
Speaker 1: of why she went and made this pretty reckless decision
33:45
Speaker 1: at a very young age.
33:47
Speaker 2: Right. And I'm assuming, like this is assuming because it's
33:50
Speaker 2: not a part of the book at all. The reason
33:52
Speaker 2: she came out in society so quickly, it's because she
33:54
Speaker 2: was a brat and wanted to be a part of
33:56
Speaker 2: like balls as such, and made her parents let them
34:00
Speaker 2: all come out, like she's she asked the youngest all
34:03
Speaker 2: of them had to. That's what I'm assuming.
34:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it would also make sense that had a
34:12
Speaker 1: certain point. One, it's just easier if you've got four daughters,
34:17
Speaker 1: just let them all go. But also like if you
34:20
Speaker 1: are we need to find somebody a man, somebody's got
34:23
Speaker 1: to get married. We'll put them all out there on
34:27
Speaker 1: the field and see if one of y'all.
34:29
Speaker 2: Can givebody anybody. Yeah, and then that comes to that
34:45
Speaker 2: whole competition and trying to get married quickly, the idea
34:47
Speaker 2: of happiness and marriage or marriage and like a marriage
34:50
Speaker 2: of love and money, And there's several quotes here, So
34:54
Speaker 2: here's one. It says from Lizzie talking, I'm determined that
34:58
Speaker 2: only the deepest love when me into matrimony. So I
35:01
Speaker 2: shall end an old maid and teach your ten children
35:04
Speaker 2: to embroader cushions and play their instruments very ill. So
35:08
Speaker 2: the fact that she would not marry for money, that
35:11
Speaker 2: she would rather be in love and there's no way
35:14
Speaker 2: that she would actually get married, and the idea, and
35:16
Speaker 2: I think that may minic Jane Austen's real sense of marriage,
35:22
Speaker 2: that she would rather not than doing a loveless marriage,
35:27
Speaker 2: which is understandable.
35:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, I don't know much about this as much
35:34
Speaker 1: about you, for sure, but like it does feel even
35:38
Speaker 1: for people now, even for me, like I feel for women,
35:44
Speaker 1: marriage can be kind of a trap. I'm not saying
35:48
Speaker 1: it always is, and I'm not saying it can't be
35:50
Speaker 1: very healthy, but it does sometimes feel like you get
35:54
Speaker 1: married and then you have to clean the house and
35:59
Speaker 1: you have to do all like all these things come
36:01
Speaker 1: with marriage for women that don't necessarily come with men, right,
36:06
Speaker 1: And so to me, especially at this time when it
36:11
Speaker 1: was you know, women couldn't really own property in most cases,
36:15
Speaker 1: and there was all these expectations and all of that.
36:18
Speaker 1: I can see why Jane Austin would have been like
36:21
Speaker 1: this just seems like I can't do what I want right,
36:24
Speaker 1: I can't like write the things I want or just
36:26
Speaker 1: be who I am if I get married just for
36:29
Speaker 1: this economic thing.
36:31
Speaker 2: And you know, Austin doesn't even look at the dark side,
36:34
Speaker 2: like she just looks at like this like boring and
36:38
Speaker 2: being suck in the loveless marriage side, like of course
36:40
Speaker 2: it entails everything else, but she doesn't look at like
36:42
Speaker 2: the depth of like control and darkness and things that
36:45
Speaker 2: were happening during that time and still actually that like
36:50
Speaker 2: oh yeah, this is people suffering and in these situations
36:53
Speaker 2: and domestic violence situations. So she didn't even talk about that, honestly,
36:57
Speaker 2: in which Jane kind of references do anything rather than
37:01
Speaker 2: marry without affection. And then they imply the mother and
37:04
Speaker 2: the father that they see have married without affection, and
37:09
Speaker 2: neither one of them want that. Neither one of them
37:11
Speaker 2: want a marriage where one is condescending and the other
37:14
Speaker 2: one is always complaining. So there's this level like back
37:18
Speaker 2: and forth like yeah, they're the prime examples. I don't
37:20
Speaker 2: think we've all been there of what not to have
37:25
Speaker 2: in marriages or what they don't want to have in marriages.
37:28
Speaker 2: And this was that moment of like seeing all of that,
37:31
Speaker 2: and even the mother talks about the facts at one point,
37:34
Speaker 2: like the fact that Jane Ann Bingley will be so
37:37
Speaker 2: giving that they're going to run out of money and
37:39
Speaker 2: Jay and they will be unhappy, and in which you
37:42
Speaker 2: know or not that run out of money, that they
37:44
Speaker 2: would be so kind that they will run out of
37:46
Speaker 2: their good good will and kindness and their heart and
37:49
Speaker 2: their love, and the mom's like, they have plenty of money,
37:51
Speaker 2: they'll be happy forever. Like that's how one's the implication,
37:55
Speaker 2: which is not again, that's not the level of marriage
38:00
Speaker 2: that Jane or Elizabeth want in this way. And then
38:04
Speaker 2: we do have one character Charlotte, Charlotte Lucas who talk
38:07
Speaker 2: about the fact that she did not have the option
38:09
Speaker 2: to have a choice either she was going to be
38:11
Speaker 2: destitute and alone or she's going to have to settle.
38:14
Speaker 2: So this line is in talking about trying to seduce
38:16
Speaker 2: a man. This is trying to like trying to make
38:19
Speaker 2: sure Elizabeth understands that Jane needs to show how much
38:23
Speaker 2: she could be in love and there are and this
38:24
Speaker 2: is there are very few who have hard enough to
38:26
Speaker 2: be really in love without encouragement in that level, because
38:31
Speaker 2: Jane was being too cautious according to Charlotte. And also, yeah,
38:36
Speaker 2: Charlotte is the prime example of choosing marriage for contentment
38:42
Speaker 2: and choosing what she can because she's described as being
38:46
Speaker 2: also a bit plain. I think she's older, like mid twenties.
38:52
Speaker 2: Oh no, right, but that's apparently real too old, like
38:57
Speaker 2: the little spinster level. And so she had to choose
39:02
Speaker 2: mister Collins and the fact that like, yes, he's a
39:06
Speaker 2: ridiculous dude who is sexist, misogynist, and just like dumb,
39:11
Speaker 2: he's not smart. This speech is so good, she writes
39:15
Speaker 2: so well, it's so funny that she knows what she's
39:19
Speaker 2: getting into, but she knows that this is the best
39:21
Speaker 2: option she has in order to live a more fulfilled
39:26
Speaker 2: quote unquote life where she can be taken care of,
39:28
Speaker 2: and that's what she says.
39:29
Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting because Charlotte's and Elizabeth were
39:33
Speaker 1: close friends. And then when Charlotte, after mister Collins had
39:39
Speaker 1: proposed to Elizabeth and said, well, you say no now,
39:43
Speaker 1: but I'll come back and forth. Oh my goodness, that
39:47
Speaker 1: was really interesting to me because it was so reminiscent
39:50
Speaker 1: of things I've had or guys are like, I come
39:53
Speaker 1: back later, I could change your mind. It's like, oh
39:55
Speaker 1: my gosh, it was happening all to me.
39:58
Speaker 2: You're just teasing to make me.
40:01
Speaker 1: The no means yes, right, But anyway, he does eventually
40:07
Speaker 1: be He's like, okay, Elizabeth, no, but he goes to
40:10
Speaker 1: Charlotte and Charlotte says yes, and Elizabeth and Charlotte. Elizabeth
40:14
Speaker 1: is really concerned that she's kind of let down, but
40:18
Speaker 1: Charlotte said yes, and she's concerned about how their relationship
40:22
Speaker 1: will be moving forward, and Charlotte's kind of like, please
40:25
Speaker 1: don't cut me out of your life. And Elizabeth does
40:28
Speaker 1: go visit Charlotte and Lucas's. But it was interesting to
40:33
Speaker 1: read the I thought there are different takes on Charlotte
40:39
Speaker 1: being like, you know what, I have to do this
40:41
Speaker 1: and Elizabeth being so, I'm only going to marry to
40:44
Speaker 1: Mary for love. But also we've talked about this before.
40:48
Speaker 1: You have friends and they get married and they move away,
40:50
Speaker 1: and you're kind of like, okay, that relationship.
40:54
Speaker 2: Changes, right right, well, you know, and Charlotte knows this
40:58
Speaker 2: is about a change her relations ship with Elizabeth. There's
41:02
Speaker 2: several things here that is happening though, because Elizabeth had
41:06
Speaker 2: put Jane put Charlotte on her level and they thought
41:09
Speaker 2: she thought they were on the same page essentially, and
41:12
Speaker 2: that that Charlotte has Charlotte wasn't married because she wouldn't
41:16
Speaker 2: settle was the idea, when in actuality, from Charlotte's standpoint,
41:20
Speaker 2: she's never got given the opportunity to to say yes.
41:25
Speaker 2: And for Charlotte, she doesn't care. She's not a romantic.
41:28
Speaker 2: She's like, I don't have these ideals like you. I
41:31
Speaker 2: have not don't need all of that. I just need
41:34
Speaker 2: to be no note that I'm going to be taken
41:36
Speaker 2: care of and that I'm going to be okay, and
41:37
Speaker 2: that he's not going to mistreat me as in like
41:40
Speaker 2: abuse me, which was that conversation that happens. And then
41:44
Speaker 2: Jane's being like, you need to be more understanding. This
41:47
Speaker 2: is not the same place. And that's kind of where
41:49
Speaker 2: the level like her prejudice, because if we have the characters,
41:54
Speaker 2: Elizabeth has prejudiced and Darcy has the bride, and that's
41:58
Speaker 2: the level of conversation we have in this and so
42:03
Speaker 2: that actually really does show Elizabeth prejudice towards this ideal
42:08
Speaker 2: of marriage and the fact that she judges her judges
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Speaker 2: Charlotte so harshly to that kind of like I can't
42:16
Speaker 2: talk to her, I can't see her. She's changed for
42:18
Speaker 2: me and I have like we've I think we've all
42:21
Speaker 2: been there when people were like, why are you dating
42:23
Speaker 2: that person? What reason? Like you know, and that's gonna
42:26
Speaker 2: be like and I'm not coming around, not that you're
42:29
Speaker 2: with that person. We've definitely seen those things happen and
42:33
Speaker 2: then that conversation and kind of like modern age, but
42:36
Speaker 2: the level of desperation that Charlotte felt is understandable during
42:40
Speaker 2: that time. And so I felt like, even though I
42:43
Speaker 2: love the character of Elizabeth, and I think Jane did
42:46
Speaker 2: it on purpose, Jane Austin did it on purpose in
42:48
Speaker 2: that making her show that this is a fault. This
42:51
Speaker 2: is a giant fault that Elizabeth has where her prejudice
42:56
Speaker 2: and judgment is a little too much.
42:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely thought it was the interaction when Lydia
43:04
Speaker 1: came back to like Elizabeth was rightfully angry, don't get
43:08
Speaker 1: me wrong, but I thought it was really fascinating how
43:10
Speaker 1: she was like, I have nothing to say right, you
43:14
Speaker 1: could be gone right forever, Yes, both of you. Yes,
43:20
Speaker 1: because I feel like some of us can we've experienced
43:22
Speaker 1: that where you're just like, you've caused me so much drama, pain.
43:28
Speaker 2: And in her mind she's cost her a huge relationship too.
43:31
Speaker 2: At this point, she's thinking that Darcy is judging her
43:35
Speaker 2: and doesn't want anything to do with her or family
43:37
Speaker 2: because of what has happened, when in actuality, like there's
43:39
Speaker 2: different things happening, but like, yeah, like if she definitely does.
43:43
Speaker 2: And don't get me wrong, she's met at Lydia for
43:45
Speaker 2: her selfishness, which she knew was coming. She knew that
43:48
Speaker 2: Lydia was selfish, and yeah, but the next thing was
43:51
Speaker 2: prejudice as well. That you know. I said, let's talk
43:55
Speaker 2: about first impressions, the name of the original book, and
43:58
Speaker 2: how everyone disliked Darcy by judge Darcy because Darcy was
44:02
Speaker 2: rude she was, and then but loved Wickham because Wickham
44:05
Speaker 2: was entertaining. And then it turns out the opposite, like
44:09
Speaker 2: one person has the good intentions and good goodness and
44:12
Speaker 2: the other one only pretends to be good. We had
44:15
Speaker 2: that level into that point that Elizabeth. It takes so
44:18
Speaker 2: much for Elizabeth to change her mind. It takes like
44:21
Speaker 2: giant stories, and she does not want to fact check anything.
44:25
Speaker 2: She just how could you not believe this? Of course
44:27
Speaker 2: he's telling the truth. The story is too precise because
44:30
Speaker 2: she already had an idea about who Darcy.
44:32
Speaker 1: Was right, and she wanted to to prove it right.
44:36
Speaker 1: But it was the the dichotomy of like Jane being
44:40
Speaker 1: so trusting right, oh so like, oh no, they would
44:44
Speaker 1: never convince Bingley. Bingley's sisters convince him to go against
44:50
Speaker 1: too much. But then you have Elizabeth who's like almost
44:54
Speaker 1: too sick, right, Oh, I knew it all along. He
44:58
Speaker 1: was a bad guy. It was really fun to see
45:04
Speaker 1: them interact and have their conversations about where Jane's like, no,
45:08
Speaker 1: that can't be Elizabeth like.
45:11
Speaker 2: I mean, but I mean Elizabeth says that. At one point,
45:13
Speaker 2: he's like, until I have your goodness, I'll never have
45:16
Speaker 2: your happiness.
45:17
Speaker 1: He's like, I can't understand how.
45:19
Speaker 2: Jade and she is. And of course the pride bit
45:22
Speaker 2: we know that it takes a long time because yeah,
45:26
Speaker 2: Darcy's proposal real bad. The first one was real bad,
45:29
Speaker 2: like insulting her in every way and then being shocked
45:32
Speaker 2: when she says.
45:33
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, he's so taken aback, this could not be.
45:38
Speaker 2: I'll give you I just can't. I just like relinted
45:42
Speaker 2: to finally liking you even though everything about you is awful.
45:48
Speaker 1: And he's given her like as the reader, you get
45:51
Speaker 1: insights into his feelings, right, and as the reader you
45:54
Speaker 1: kind of know where it's going. But he's really given
45:56
Speaker 1: her no reason to.
46:00
Speaker 2: Right and like he's too honest. He is way too
46:04
Speaker 2: honest for this moment. Of course, he comes back around
46:07
Speaker 2: with the fact that Lady de Burgh comes back and
46:10
Speaker 2: first tells him, Oh, I'm going to tell him what
46:12
Speaker 2: Elizabeth did to me being rude and standing up to me,
46:16
Speaker 2: and that's going to change his mind because he loves
46:18
Speaker 2: me so much and he's like, oh she does like
46:20
Speaker 2: me still, let's go. It's that level. But yes, that
46:24
Speaker 2: level of pride, and they finally kind of mesh together,
46:28
Speaker 2: come together and that wonderful union where everything is happily
46:34
Speaker 2: ever after and everybody has money, lots of money.
46:39
Speaker 1: Yep, the end, everybody has money. Hey, she found the
46:46
Speaker 1: love and the money.
46:47
Speaker 2: That's pretty good, Like she finally found it and good
46:51
Speaker 2: on her, good on her.
46:54
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we also didn't mention she's very good at
46:57
Speaker 1: playing the piano.
46:58
Speaker 2: No, she's kind of good.
47:00
Speaker 1: Well. To me, it felt like he was entranced with
47:06
Speaker 1: her skills, yes, which I find to be a common
47:11
Speaker 1: trope in things.
47:13
Speaker 2: So I think the way it's supposed to be is
47:15
Speaker 2: that she's okay, but he loves it so much, right,
47:19
Speaker 2: and like she's like, yeah, I'm okay. I mean it's
47:21
Speaker 2: not great, but I can play. And then like he's
47:24
Speaker 2: just like she's the most amazing.
47:30
Speaker 1: And there's a whole scene where Mary is playing and
47:32
Speaker 1: she's doing terribly and doesn't get the message.
47:37
Speaker 2: Oh that whole and they do it so well in
47:39
Speaker 2: the BBC where everything's like just compacted and you just
47:44
Speaker 2: feel the secondhand embarrassment because it's like echoed from Jane
47:48
Speaker 2: Analyzabeth's perspective. They're just like, how do we stop this
47:52
Speaker 2: train wreck? And they just can't and it just kind
47:54
Speaker 2: of echoes in her head. Later on, after he proposes
47:57
Speaker 2: and pretty much reminds her all these embarrassing things he witnessed,
48:01
Speaker 2: she's like, ah, it's perfect.
48:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, So a lot of awkward, relatable scenes.
48:09
Speaker 2: Yes, So like these are the things that I love
48:12
Speaker 2: in this book, and to me, This is how like
48:14
Speaker 2: the BBC portrayed the characters, how I read them better
48:18
Speaker 2: than the new version of condensed Karen Knightley version because
48:23
Speaker 2: this whole like, I think both Yeah, both made sure
48:26
Speaker 2: to have Darcy in like a wet shirt or like
48:30
Speaker 2: at one point in time, because that's kind of the
48:32
Speaker 2: infamous thing. I will say. When you start the BBC series,
48:35
Speaker 2: it feels so over the top acting that it's a
48:38
Speaker 2: little cringe. You're like, oh, well, why did I think
48:41
Speaker 2: it was so much better? It gets better, they get better,
48:43
Speaker 2: but then they also have like I know, the fantasy level,
48:46
Speaker 2: but like the way they portray the father and the
48:48
Speaker 2: mother characters really irritated me in the new one because
48:51
Speaker 2: the father character is so like he looks like he's
48:54
Speaker 2: gonna cry all the time, and he just looks so
48:56
Speaker 2: weak and I'm like, that's not the character she built,
48:59
Speaker 2: like she wanted him pretty much disinterested and just annoyed.
49:05
Speaker 2: Uh So that's why I like, those characters are really
49:07
Speaker 2: important to me, and I was like, they need to
49:08
Speaker 2: be better. This needs to be better. Those are the
49:12
Speaker 2: big big things that I didn't like. I didn't like
49:17
Speaker 2: Karen night Lest Patrol Elizabeth. I did like the Jaine character.
49:22
Speaker 2: Rosemand Pike did a great job with Jane.
49:26
Speaker 1: Did be inaudible version anyway, that's wow. I love it.
49:35
Speaker 1: Eighteen hours you.
49:36
Speaker 2: Say, I don't know, I'm exaggerating. I don't know how
49:40
Speaker 2: many hours, but it's like, for all at least eight
49:43
Speaker 2: hours long. I think, Okay, wow, I buy Mike, just
49:49
Speaker 2: put it on. Put in the background while you're doing
49:51
Speaker 2: your fan fiction.
49:51
Speaker 1: It would give me some inspiration for fans.
49:53
Speaker 2: It's been owe to fan fiction and the origination of
49:57
Speaker 2: fan fiction.
49:58
Speaker 1: Austin Knights. Yeah, one of the first fan fiction writers
50:02
Speaker 1: that we know. M hm.
50:04
Speaker 2: And technically I guess like they're not fan fiction, but
50:06
Speaker 2: the reimagining of it is kind of that level. And
50:09
Speaker 2: I love every single one of them, essentially, except for
50:12
Speaker 2: the Karen Knightley one.
50:14
Speaker 1: We briefly talked about doing the zombies one yes.
50:17
Speaker 2: Dude, which you know that's not necessarily a bad thing.
50:20
Speaker 1: No, it is interesting that when zombies come in, the
50:23
Speaker 1: dude comes in. Yeah, maybe in the future, there's a lot.
50:31
Speaker 1: This was a I mean, I don't think this is
50:33
Speaker 1: a surprise to anybody, but it was a hugely influential work. Unfortunately,
50:38
Speaker 1: it seems Jane Austin didn't make a lot of money
50:40
Speaker 1: from it, but it was It made such a big
50:44
Speaker 1: impact and we're still seeing it and feeling it. People
50:47
Speaker 1: still love it. There are tours that we are trying
50:50
Speaker 1: to go on.
50:51
Speaker 2: I really do want to go.
50:53
Speaker 1: I was the whole time I was reading this halfside.
50:58
Speaker 2: Like persuasions that makes you want to go to Bath.
51:00
Speaker 2: I want to go to.
51:03
Speaker 1: I did renew my passport yesterday.
51:05
Speaker 2: Good.
51:06
Speaker 1: I don't know when it will arrive though, because there's
51:09
Speaker 1: a huge backlog, but yeah, when it comes, Samantha, I'm
51:12
Speaker 1: going maybe at least I could go right now. Yes, well, listeners,
51:24
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51:27
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51:31
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51:34
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51:36
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