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- 0:00Time now to turn our attention to next week's Eggs and Issues.
- 0:03And you're joining us now to talk a little bit about it is
- 0:05Patrick Woodcock, President and CEO of The Maine State Chamber
- 0:08of Commerce and one of the featured speakers at the
- 0:11upcoming Eggs and Issues next week.
- 0:14Patrick, good talking to you again.
- 0:15It's been a while. How are things?
- 0:17Doing well. Good morning.
- 0:18No, I'm happy to partner with the Portland Regional Chamber on
- 0:22this. Eggs and issues, you know,
- 0:23you've certainly seen the headlines of what the
- 0:26Legislature has been up to. We're going to really dive into
- 0:29the details, economic competitiveness, the impacts of
- 0:33some of the tax changes related to, we all know the surtax on
- 0:38incomes above $1,000,000, a lot of other provisions in that.
- 0:43But moreover, we're going to turn to next week we will be
- 0:46releasing an economic vision for the state of Maine and it comes
- 0:51at a time where I think we're increasingly concerned about
- 0:54Maine's position in the national economy.
- 0:56We've gone from an over performer, the 2025 numbers were
- 1:02before slowest growing economy and I think these headwinds of
- 1:06housing energy really starting to show up on the macroeconomic
- 1:10data. So we're partnering with The
- 1:12Maine Development Foundation on a economic plan for the state
- 1:17that will be launching before the gubernatorial date debate
- 1:20that we're hosting on Wednesday with NEWS CENTER.
- 1:24So a lot to unpack. We're really going to be
- 1:26focusing on the economic implications of the legislature
- 1:29and an economic vision for the state.
- 1:32So Patrick, you mentioned that you're going to be taking a look
- 1:34a little bit back at the legislature in this this
- 1:38conversation. The actual event name is from
- 1:40Augusta to Action, Legislative Outcomes and Business Impact.
- 1:44You know, in the last several years, obviously the Legislature
- 1:47has taken what I consider to be a pretty distinct path, which
- 1:50has not been terribly friendly to cultivating Maine's economy.
- 1:54Maybe in some ways, yes, but in most ways, to me, no.
- 1:58I know that I don't want to spoil your talk, obviously, But
- 2:01when you look back at what they've done in the last couple
- 2:03years, what do you see? Well, I think the real aspect
- 2:07that I saw that the real short term interests are merging the
- 2:12surtax completely unnecessary with where we are with our
- 2:15revenues catapults our marginal income tax to the highest level
- 2:21in New England going to affect individuals and businesses
- 2:25alike. And I really thought that the
- 2:28effort to utilize the budget stabilization fund for these
- 2:32affordability checks, again, very short term focused and we
- 2:37need sustained long term economic growth.
- 2:40We need a breakthrough with our regulatory environment to start
- 2:43unlock housing production, our energy costs.
- 2:47You know, we used to be the most competitive in New England, now
- 2:50we're one of the highest. I used to have businesses
- 2:53complain about their energy bills.
- 2:55Now they don't believe them. We're just getting into another
- 2:58territory where all these headwinds, they start to
- 3:01materialize when you start to see jobs, data, economic growth,
- 3:06and we really need to start focusing on how we're going to
- 3:09grow this economy. And with a Big 10, I think, I
- 3:13think honestly a lot of legislators on both sides of the
- 3:17aisle were really frustrated with the legislative session.
- 3:20But we we really have to put a vision forward of how we're
- 3:22going to come together to address this.
- 3:24Sort of reminds me of errors, errors when we really did need
- 3:28to just every single public policy needs to be viewed for.
- 3:34Is this going to help the economy or is this going to
- 3:36impede economic growth? You mentioned the, the economic
- 3:41plan that you're talking about here.
- 3:42I, you know, without having read it, obviously, I have to assume
- 3:45that it tries to touch on basically all the aspects you've
- 3:48kind of alluded to while you were talking here in the
- 3:50introduction. You know, all the things that
- 3:52are affecting Maine's economy, everything from housing to
- 3:54energy to the tax environment. Obviously it's many things
- 3:58converging together. How how bad is the problem in
- 4:02like how, how comprehensive does a solution to it need to be?
- 4:06I mean, it strikes me that we are in a pretty deep hole right
- 4:08now. So getting out of it is going to
- 4:10require a lot of work and a lot of work in many areas at once.
- 4:14And it's probably going to have to require patience as some of
- 4:17those fixes end up having to take some time to actually work.
- 4:20So what's your? What's your view on?
- 4:21This good you, you know, this, I mean, there's, there used to be
- 4:24aspects of Maine's economy that were bright spots, you know, K
- 4:27through 12 back in the 90s, it was a pride of the state where
- 4:30we were. Now we're a laggard.
- 4:32And we've got a people who've been around education policy
- 4:36said that it was a similar situation in the 80s that really
- 4:39people came together. We've got to have better
- 4:41results. This is not going to build a
- 4:43workforce. This is not preparing our next
- 4:47generation for a global economy. And they all have different
- 4:51threads. You know, if you if you don't
- 4:52have a workforce, you're really not going to have employees.
- 4:57So these all have threads to them, but I think they, they
- 5:02really need to have a real new vision of if you're going to
- 5:08spend money, let's, let's invest in innovation.
- 5:10Entrepreneurship of the state budget has grown significantly,
- 5:15yet our investments in innovation have been stagnant.
- 5:19I think, you know, framing this that we, we really do need to
- 5:23grow the economy out of these problems.
- 5:27Our housing issue, you know, we, we did have a lot of states have
- 5:32been able to solve this. A lot of states have Democratic
- 5:35Republican governors have said no, we want to cut the red tape.
- 5:39And I think whoever is that next governor, it has to happen.
- 5:44You know, we have to start saying yes to housing
- 5:46production, saying, you know, municipalities, if you're going
- 5:49to put all these barriers up, maybe you don't get the same
- 5:52amount of revenue sharing is every other municipality to
- 5:55become a statewide issue. A lot of these decisions occur
- 5:58at the local level, but the state gives these municipalities
- 6:01a lot of revenue. So I I think we need to do some
- 6:04tariffs and sticks with these municipalities, help those that
- 6:07are saying yes to housing. For those that are blocking
- 6:10housing, yeah, maybe you get a little less funding from the
- 6:13state. Do you think that that's
- 6:14politically likely, Patrick? I mean, I mean, this is
- 6:17obviously going to be highly dependent on, you know, who ends
- 6:20up in the legislature in the next, in the next two year
- 6:22period. So this election upcoming in
- 6:24November is going to be determining whether or not you
- 6:26have people that are open to that message or not.
- 6:28Do you have optimism about that? I do.
- 6:31I actually think that housing is something that actually can
- 6:34unite the two parties. Energy can unite the two
- 6:37parties. You know, we're not going to get
- 6:39people in electric vehicles and heat pumps if we have
- 6:42unaffordable electric rates. We've gotten to the point where
- 6:45we've made so many mistakes that it's more, you know, it's
- 6:50incentivizing this to use internal combustion engines.
- 6:55You know, So working with a broad tent like we, we have
- 6:58really had some steps backward here that have major
- 7:03implications for any sort of of advancement for whether that's
- 7:09clean energy, whether that's our educational attainment, housing
- 7:13affordability, These are things that should unite us.
- 7:17They should indeed. So of course, the event is again
- 7:19from Augusta to action, legislative outcomes and
- 7:22business impact. And Patrick Woodcock has been
- 7:25joining us from The Maine State Chamber of Commerce talking a
- 7:27little bit about it. He will be one of the featured
- 7:29speakers, Heather Johnson and the yellow light green being a
- 7:32couple others. So make sure that you go, it's
- 7:34going to be Thursday, May 14th from 7:00 to 9:00 in the morning
- 7:38at US Ms. Hannaford Hall as usual, and I will be there.
- 7:41So I will see you guys there if you go also.
- 7:43Appreciate it, Patrick. Thanks so much for joining us,
- 7:45and we'll see you again next week.
- 7:47Nice week, see you then. All right, thanks a lot.
- 7:50You can go to the Portland Chambers website to go ahead and
- 7:52get the tickets, but you can do walk-ins too because they always
- 7:54do that. So last one of the season
- 7:56though, last one of the season. So if you are a eggs and issues
- 8:00person, this is your last chance at least for a few months to get
- 8:04in on the fun and have the eggs and the issues.