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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's child
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Speaker 1: to be Chuck Bryant. Guest producer Noel is hanging out
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Speaker 1: Should Know the podcast. That's right. I gotta kill him
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Speaker 1: with something different to call us, so you should know
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Speaker 1: the podcast boring were the explainerators? It's an infodcast. I
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Speaker 1: don't know. Podcast is what it is? Entertainment, Chuck. Yes,
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Speaker 1: do you know of a man named James Earl Ray? Yeah? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the jerk. Yes, I saw him. I saw him referred
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Speaker 1: to as dim witted. Yeah, which makes his escape pretty thrilling.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, suspect really well, let me give you a
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Speaker 1: little back up. So, James Earl Ray was a Missouri
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Speaker 1: prison escape e when he rolled into Memphis to assassinate
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Speaker 1: Martin Luther King Jr. Who was in Memphis to support
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Speaker 1: the sanitation workers strike there in nineteen uh and James
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Speaker 1: Earl Ray got a room across the street from the
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Speaker 1: Lorraine Hotel where MLK was staying. Apparently published in the papers,
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Speaker 1: not only where he was staying, but his room number,
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Speaker 1: which I guess was custom at the time. Actually, from
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Speaker 1: what I understand it was customary. It wasn't unheard of. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And James Earlway got a room, found out that he
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Speaker 1: had a decent shot at the balcony outside of King's
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Speaker 1: room if he leaned out of the bathroom the shared
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Speaker 1: bathroom of his communal hotel and um shared bathroom huh
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Speaker 1: shared bathroom down if somebody could have gone in and
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Speaker 1: been like, oh sorry, sir, pretty much didn't see you
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Speaker 1: in here with that rifle, with that huge hunting rifle. Yeah, Well,
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Speaker 1: he got a shot off, he killed MLK and he
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Speaker 1: ran out of the place that was referred to as
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Speaker 1: a flophouse, and he left behind valuable evidence with his
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Speaker 1: prints on it, namely the rifle, bundle of his clothing
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Speaker 1: and some other stuff that they used to create a
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Speaker 1: trail for James Arlway got a name, eventually got a
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Speaker 1: picture and Jims were away made it out of Memphis,
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Speaker 1: and he actually made it to Canada, and he made
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Speaker 1: it to Portugal and then the UK uh. And the
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Speaker 1: way he made it was under an assumed passport, which
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Speaker 1: for a dim weighted Missouri prison escape e a forged passport.
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Speaker 1: That's pretty heavy stuff. Yeah, I think it was probably
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Speaker 1: easier back then. Well, okay, you know he was traveling
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Speaker 1: under the name George Ramon sneed right, and they found
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Speaker 1: out that he was traveling under that name because Canadian police,
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Speaker 1: after being contacted by American authorities with a picture of
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Speaker 1: James Roway, went through about a hundred and fifty thousand
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Speaker 1: passports that they had accepted. I guess they had copies
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Speaker 1: of him, Yeah, that I think about it. Uh, And
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Speaker 1: then finally found one that looked like James Lay. Uh
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Speaker 1: found out that the person traveling under that passport was,
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Speaker 1: in fact he throw airport or in London, and when
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Speaker 1: he went to Heathrow report they apprehended him and he said,
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Speaker 1: you got me. I'm James l Ray and I killed
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Speaker 1: MLK imagined that was tough because everyone back then looked
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Speaker 1: like James Lay. Yeah, pretty much. You know, all those
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Speaker 1: dudes looked the same back in the fifties. Um, although
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Speaker 1: this was the sixties, but he still looked like that
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Speaker 1: in the fifties. He looked, he did, uh, and he
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Speaker 1: confessed And then later on, of course, uh recan did
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Speaker 1: and said no, I was part of a plot and
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Speaker 1: a conspiracy. Um, and they said t s well, actually,
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Speaker 1: the King family said, you know what, we think this
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Speaker 1: guy's telling the truth. And they got a new trial
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Speaker 1: brought and um he died in prison before he could
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Speaker 1: be brought to trial again. Yeah, in the late nineties.
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Speaker 1: And then you two wrote a song about it. It
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Speaker 1: was the song Pride in the Name of Love Early
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Speaker 1: Morning April four, But that came before James alway. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: what do you mean you said, and then you two
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Speaker 1: wrote it was just missing. You confused me for a second. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know if it was early morning either,
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Speaker 1: for I think for some reason, I always heard that
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Speaker 1: Bono got that one wrong. Yeah, I'll have to look
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Speaker 1: that up. I'm not sure what time it was. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure we could find out, But Bonna wouldn't say
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Speaker 1: that morning is like a state of mind or something.
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Speaker 1: You know. I'm cool, I got on blue sunglasses always, so. Um.
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Speaker 1: The hump for James Earl Ray is just one example.
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Speaker 1: History is littered with man hunts, and what's strange about
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Speaker 1: that is that no man hunt really resembles other man hunts. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's weird. Like you can hold up
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Speaker 1: in the woods for years and then eventually get caught,
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Speaker 1: or if you're a Whitey Bulger, you can go out
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Speaker 1: in your driveway in Santa Monica and get caught. Like
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Speaker 1: I guess, uh, no man hunt is the same, because no,
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Speaker 1: going on the Lamb is the same. Some prefer hide
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Speaker 1: and plain sight deal, so I prefer the middle of
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Speaker 1: the woods. Some people prefer, you know, Bolivia, Sure you know, Nazis.
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Speaker 1: What would you do if I were on the run? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: on the Lamb, I would I would probably be a
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Speaker 1: woodland creature. I don't know, But even if I did know,
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say on the podcast because that'd be pretty dumb.
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Speaker 1: In case I ever do need to go on the
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Speaker 1: LAMB in the future. Although the hide and plain sight
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Speaker 1: thing is there's something to be said for that. Sure
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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, Well, I mean you gotta get some
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Speaker 1: plastic surgery done in this day and age, yeah, or
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Speaker 1: just mess your face up a little bit. Well. Actually,
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Speaker 1: with Whitey Bulger, he was on the Lamb with his
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Speaker 1: longtime girlfriend Catherine Greek I believe her name was, and
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Speaker 1: she had extensive plastic surgery um and which had nothing
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Speaker 1: to do with being on the lamb. They well they
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Speaker 1: um she they she actually got them found. Yeah there there,
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Speaker 1: So white Boulger is on the line for sixteen years, right,
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Speaker 1: and it was he was up there with Osama bin
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Speaker 1: Lawden as one of America's most wanted fugitives. Um, there's
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Speaker 1: a million dollar bounty on it. Said, it was big time.
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Speaker 1: And whenever they found out that he had been somewhere,
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Speaker 1: they thought he was somewhere, they the FBI would take
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Speaker 1: out thirty second commercials on TV saying have you seen
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Speaker 1: this man? Have you seen this woman? This woman is
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Speaker 1: known to frequent hair salons. Uh, this guy's whitey Bulger
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Speaker 1: you know, called the FBI if you see him, uh
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Speaker 1: in the area during times when his girlfriend's demographic would
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Speaker 1: be watching TV. So this served a two fold purpose. One,
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Speaker 1: if she saw it and he saw it, then it
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Speaker 1: would scare him and hopefully flush him out of hiding,
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Speaker 1: because it's a lot easier to catch somebody out in
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Speaker 1: the open, which is a common tactic, right. Or Two,
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Speaker 1: the people that she might be friends with an associate
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Speaker 1: with could be watching TV at the time and drop
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Speaker 1: a dime on her. And in fact, that's what happened.
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Speaker 1: Someone like some lady. He gave her a pedicure at
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Speaker 1: a hair salon, called and said, uh, I think this
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Speaker 1: woman that you're looking for is here, and this is
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Speaker 1: her address. And the cops went to the to the
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Speaker 1: apartment said, uh, sir, it looks like somebody broke into
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Speaker 1: your your storage unit here around the corner. And why
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Speaker 1: do you bowlt your steps outside? And they go clink clink? What?
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Speaker 1: Why did they even say that? Could they not go
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Speaker 1: inside or something? I guess they didn't have enough probable
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Speaker 1: cause they had to lure him outside. I love that
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Speaker 1: that's okay, it's not okay. Come in, but it's a
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Speaker 1: located line and say that your storage units busted into. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he is too. He might have gotten lazy
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Speaker 1: after sixteen years, and I don't think so, man. I
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Speaker 1: think he was really wound up pretty tight. I read
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Speaker 1: an um, a long form article by a neighbor of his,
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Speaker 1: a young guy who like befriended him over the years,
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Speaker 1: and he said he was wound up real tight, always
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Speaker 1: on the lookout. Did he write a book? Nam kg
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Speaker 1: he will called like neighbor to the mob. Pretty I'm
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Speaker 1: sure Matthew Modine, if next to Whitey Bold read that
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Speaker 1: book would be on the shells right now. Uh, and
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Speaker 1: it would be called Neighbor to the mob. Um. I
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Speaker 1: wonder what Aaron Cooper is going to make that? So
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Speaker 1: who else we got? John Wilkes Booth. He famously went
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Speaker 1: on the lamb for a pretty short time after he
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Speaker 1: shot Lincoln twelve days and ended up in a farmhouse
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Speaker 1: where there's all kinds of stories on how he might
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Speaker 1: have died, whether he was burned alive or whether he
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Speaker 1: was truly rooted out by the fire and then shot.
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Speaker 1: Did he die instantly? Did linger for a while? But
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Speaker 1: either way, man hunts have been around as long as
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Speaker 1: people have been killing people. Yeah, and there are some
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Speaker 1: principles that do kind of hold true for all man
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Speaker 1: hunts across the board, and pretty much one of them
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Speaker 1: is get the public involved. Because when you do that,
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Speaker 1: time and time again, man hunts have shown that like,
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Speaker 1: somebody out there has seen this person recently, and we'll
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Speaker 1: call right. Especially these days with technology, with like everyone
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Speaker 1: having a camera in their pocket basically or sharing on
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Speaker 1: social media or being up to the second with news reports,
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Speaker 1: it's like it's made man hunts easier. Yes, and then
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Speaker 1: the other factor that makes for successful manhunt is having
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Speaker 1: a lot of people doing a lot of grunt work,
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Speaker 1: like the Canadian officials going through all of those passports
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Speaker 1: to try to find one that looked like James R. Ray. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I wonder how many people they visited before him, like
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Speaker 1: the other twelve guys that looked just like like, it's
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Speaker 1: not me, so all right, Chuck. So let's say that
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Speaker 1: somebody's on the run in the United States and it's
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Speaker 1: not a it's not a big deals not necessarily a
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Speaker 1: national manhunt. Um, it's a it's a regional man hunt.
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Speaker 1: Will say, Okay, like someone knocked off a liquor store
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Speaker 1: and shot somebody and was on the loose in a neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: We want to find that guy. What do you do? Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked, because I've done this with mirrored
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Speaker 1: sunglasses on Bloodhound. The first thing you gotta do, my friend,
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Speaker 1: is containing the area. It's called containment, and um, it
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Speaker 1: sounds just like what it is. You are basically trying
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Speaker 1: to seal off an area and watch all the possible
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Speaker 1: exits from that area. Um, if it's a neighborhood, I
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Speaker 1: guess you're gonna just pick out a certain amount of
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Speaker 1: blockage and shut it down and have cops posted it
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Speaker 1: each street exit and just know that we have at
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Speaker 1: least this area completely contained if this dude is in here,
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Speaker 1: and we're gonna say, guys, because how many times do
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Speaker 1: women do stupid stuff like this and go on the lamb?
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Speaker 1: Not much? You know? Have you not heard of fellman Louise?
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Speaker 1: That's like the one thing. So, UM, if you do
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Speaker 1: have an area contained, what you want to do is
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Speaker 1: not just not let anybody in or out without finding
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Speaker 1: out if it's the person you're looking for. You also
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Speaker 1: probably want to go door to door and say, hey,
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Speaker 1: are you being held hostage right now? Did some guy
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Speaker 1: with a gun come into your basement window recently? And
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Speaker 1: that's what they did actually with a twenty square block area. Um,
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Speaker 1: when they were searching for the Boston Marathon bombers. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: should we talk about those guys real quick? Sure they
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Speaker 1: were jerks too, uh, the Sara Enough brothers. Um. They
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Speaker 1: blew up a couple of pressure cookers fashioned into bombs
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Speaker 1: at the finish line of the Boston Marathon, and the
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Speaker 1: FBI got on it pretty quick, with um getting photos
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Speaker 1: released of who they thought these guys were, which turned
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Speaker 1: out to be really key because after a kind of
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Speaker 1: a crazy scene where one of them was shot and
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Speaker 1: killed by the police, like throwing bombs at the cops.
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Speaker 1: There's quite a scene run over by his brother. And
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Speaker 1: then the one I guess is that Zokar the d
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Speaker 1: as silent, right, Yeah, Joe Car or Joe Car I
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Speaker 1: think he is the one that ended up in a
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Speaker 1: residential neighborhood hiding in a boat under a tarp, and
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Speaker 1: he was They sniffed him off the case with some
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Speaker 1: infrared imaging and basically it was like predator. They're like,
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Speaker 1: there's a guy in that boat because I see his
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Speaker 1: red body breathing. Right. So the reason that they found
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Speaker 1: out that the dude was in the boat was because
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Speaker 1: the person who owned the boat was under in this
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Speaker 1: area under the security lockdown in containment UM and was
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Speaker 1: well aware thanks to the local news and social media
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Speaker 1: and everything else, that they were looking for this guy.
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Speaker 1: So when he saw that there was a dude in
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Speaker 1: his boat, he called the cops. That's how the cops
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Speaker 1: found suspect number two in the Boston bombing case. Right.
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Speaker 1: I bet that was a rush for that guy. I
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Speaker 1: read about like what he said. I think he was
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Speaker 1: kind of scared. I'm sure, because it's pretty obvious. Like
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Speaker 1: you see a guy there's a lockdown in your neighborhood,
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Speaker 1: and you see gotta go climb under your boat tarp
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Speaker 1: in their backyard. That's him, you know, bleeding guy. I
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Speaker 1: think he was bleeding at the time. Even more reason
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Speaker 1: so with with the Boston is a great case. Um
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Speaker 1: because it's a recent everybody knows about it, but because
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Speaker 1: it has like so many different points to it that
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Speaker 1: really kind of give you an idea of what a
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Speaker 1: man hunt consists of. So you've got containment, you've got
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Speaker 1: a door to door search, you've got um, the public
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Speaker 1: transportation being shut down. Yeah, that was a big one.
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Speaker 1: That's part of containment as well. Yeah, they set up
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Speaker 1: a no fly zone. Uh, they closed the schools, they
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Speaker 1: closed they shuttered businesses. It was basically the biggest shut
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Speaker 1: down of a major US city in history. People who
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Speaker 1: were in the containment area were asked to not leave
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Speaker 1: their house. That horrid news speak. Shelter in place, yea term.
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Speaker 1: Uh that sounds like you should be in a corner
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Speaker 1: like shelter in place. Yeah, I remember her a tweet
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Speaker 1: from Dr Ruth while that was going on, She's saying, Hey,
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Speaker 1: if you're having the shelter in place, maybe now is
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Speaker 1: a good time to turn off the TV and get
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Speaker 1: intimate with your loved one. I couldn't believe it. Uh
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Speaker 1: they say they're still counting up the moneys, but um,
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Speaker 1: it's tattling up to over a billion dollars for that man.
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Speaker 1: Not what isn't that crazy? Somebody's milking that. You gotta
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Speaker 1: think billion dollars. I got a little sidebar. Not on
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Speaker 1: a man hunt, but President Obama came through my neighborhood
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Speaker 1: a few months ago, like um, on his way to
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Speaker 1: school indicator for something, and literally drove like down the
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Speaker 1: block from my house the motor kaide, did did you
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Speaker 1: run out to him? Well, no, you can't. That's my point.
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Speaker 1: Like my friend, uh, you remember Chris Cox, his wife.
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Speaker 1: We ended up being stuck at the same intersection and
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Speaker 1: her house was across the street like forty ft away,
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Speaker 1: and she's like, sir, that is my house. I have
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Speaker 1: a babysitter there. I'm paying Like, can I just walk
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Speaker 1: across the street And he was like nope, no, He
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Speaker 1: would not let her walk across the street and enter
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Speaker 1: her own home. You have no rights the president is
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Speaker 1: on your street. Yeah, and he wasn't even It took
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Speaker 1: like another half hour and she's like, I really just
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Speaker 1: need to walk right there, and he wouldn't allow it.
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Speaker 1: So that's some serious lockdown. I guess the point is
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Speaker 1: when the government wants to lock you down, they can
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Speaker 1: lock you down. Yeah, pretty much. Um, so chuck, Uh,
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Speaker 1: you do have rights, however, Well, yeah, that's a good segue,
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Speaker 1: I guess, Um, it was a great segway. Buddy. Uh.
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Speaker 1: If if you're in if you're being told not to
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Speaker 1: leave your house, first of all, you can technically leave
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Speaker 1: your house, can you. I think you just your risk
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Speaker 1: of being shot at by the police go through the roof.
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Speaker 1: So that's a pretty good reason not to leave your house. Um,
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Speaker 1: just out of common sense. You can be enraged all
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Speaker 1: you want indoors, well, just like any other night, um,
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Speaker 1: and the police can't just come busting down your door
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Speaker 1: saying is he in here? No, Okay, let's go down
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Speaker 1: the next door. They can knock and say can we
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Speaker 1: come in and look? And you can say yeah, your nay. Um,
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Speaker 1: if they have probable cause, say one of them saw
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Speaker 1: the suspect run into your house, they can go in
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Speaker 1: after them without asking you. Yeah, or if they're creeping
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Speaker 1: around your backyard and peeking in your windows, which they
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Speaker 1: can do legally. Yeah, the cops, Yeah they can. Um
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Speaker 1: they could, you know, see somebody they think looks like
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Speaker 1: the suspect. And that's probable cause there's a there's a
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Speaker 1: loophole big enough to drive like an armored truck through
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Speaker 1: if you're not picking up on that. Yeah, if they
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Speaker 1: need to provide emergency services, they can do that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they can say, oh, we thought you you needed CPR.
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Speaker 1: We're glad to see you're okay. Now that we're in
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Speaker 1: your house, we're looking around. Or another big loophole is
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Speaker 1: the exigent circumstances um, which I don't know in the
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Speaker 1: case of Boston, they could probably barge into anyone's home
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Speaker 1: and be covered under that one. Yeah, that's basically like
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Speaker 1: there we're there's a state of emergency going on, like
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Speaker 1: the civil law is just out the window because the
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Speaker 1: situation is so dire. And yeah, they argued that this
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Speaker 1: guy was running around with explosives. That's an emergency. As
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Speaker 1: far as I know, they didn't like go into any
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Speaker 1: houses unbidden though. Yeah, and we're not trying to say
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Speaker 1: like a it cakes like that, like bust down some doors.
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Speaker 1: You know, Like I'm not saying like cops shouldn't be
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Speaker 1: doing this stuff. They were like two bombers on the loose,
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Speaker 1: so I get it. Even still, the cops don't want
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Speaker 1: to bust down the door because they're going to have
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Speaker 1: to prove exigence circumstances, and if they can't, then any
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Speaker 1: evidence that they got from and on the awful searches
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Speaker 1: out the door, and so their case could be as well, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you gotta be careful stuff like that. That's thing you
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Speaker 1: want to do is have your perp walk you like
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Speaker 1: all this cops speak, yeah walk, Yeah. If your purp
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Speaker 1: walks because of bad, bad evidence, then you're gonna be
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Speaker 1: uh what's that. What's it called in the cup? It's
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Speaker 1: suspended without pay. I'm feeling like we're channeling the TV
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Speaker 1: show episode we Yeah, oh yeah, you're like we had
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Speaker 1: a TV show. I just dooned doubt about that. Um okay,
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Speaker 1: where are we then? Well, I was saying that one
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Speaker 1: of the hallmarks of a good man hunt is having
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Speaker 1: a lot of people doing a lot of work and
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Speaker 1: again Boston was a good example of that. You had
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Speaker 1: a lot of different law enforcement agencies, basically ones you
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Speaker 1: hadn't even heard of, all ponying up personnel. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: mean you're gonna get state cops, local cops, sheriff's, FBI,
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Speaker 1: and that that's for a case like that, or obviously
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Speaker 1: if it's something like U B. L. Then everyone seems
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Speaker 1: you're dark thirty or if you have it, you should.
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Speaker 1: You've got like thousands of people over a decade, all
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Speaker 1: over the world working together. It's just that one, lady.
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Speaker 1: It's just the one a d the pretty redhead. So um.
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Speaker 1: The author of this article makes a pretty good point
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Speaker 1: that during a man hunt there is such a thing
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Speaker 1: as um what in police speak would be called collateral damage.
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Speaker 1: I guess um. Like the l A p D search
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Speaker 1: for Christopher Dorner is a very good example of this.
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Speaker 1: You remember that case, Yeah, man, that was freaky. There's like,
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Speaker 1: there's a Facebook page it's twenty thousand plus people strong
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Speaker 1: and says it's called we Stand with Christopher Dorner. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because he left behind. So he was an l A
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Speaker 1: p D officer who was fired for making a false
19:39
Speaker 1: accusation against another cop. When he reported that a copy
19:43
Speaker 1: was working with kicked a homeless man during an arrest,
19:46
Speaker 1: but that was false. It was found false, and he
19:49
Speaker 1: was fired as a result. From his perspective, if you
19:52
Speaker 1: see it through his through his eyes, that was all
19:54
Speaker 1: just a huge cover up, and they got rid of
19:56
Speaker 1: the troublemaker who was not, you know, going with the
19:59
Speaker 1: flow on the floor, the l a p D covering up.
20:03
Speaker 1: So he leaves his like angry manifesto about you know
20:07
Speaker 1: how the l a p D is the most corrupt
20:09
Speaker 1: organization on the planet and it's racist, and um, there's
20:13
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there who are like, I
20:16
Speaker 1: know this to be true because I've I've been on
20:18
Speaker 1: the wrong end of a night stick with the l
20:20
Speaker 1: a p D. A confidential Yeah, exactly, and that's in
20:24
Speaker 1: the forties. Yeah, I mean, that's that's I know they've
20:26
Speaker 1: cleaned it up a lot, but that is one department
20:28
Speaker 1: in this country that's been fraught with allegation. And his
20:31
Speaker 1: point was they haven't cleaned it up a lot, they've
20:33
Speaker 1: just gotten better at PR. So he goes on, he
20:35
Speaker 1: takes the manifesto and ends up going on an assassination
20:39
Speaker 1: killing spree, killing cops killed Um the woman who represented
20:45
Speaker 1: him in his case, who is the daughter of a cop.
20:48
Speaker 1: Um And it was announced like that's what's so scary
20:50
Speaker 1: about it was like he was like, Hey, I'm coming
20:53
Speaker 1: to kill cops. Exactly, You're not going to see me
20:56
Speaker 1: coming either. He was on a rampage. Yeah, it was
20:58
Speaker 1: scary stuff. So the l a p. D Is super
21:00
Speaker 1: jumpy at this point and they fire on not one,
21:03
Speaker 1: but two cars that don't have Christopher Dorner in him,
21:08
Speaker 1: killed two people as a result, and um, finally there's
21:13
Speaker 1: a standoff after they find him thanks to some park
21:17
Speaker 1: rangers in Big Bear or Big Sir, one of the
21:20
Speaker 1: two Big Bear, and he ends up setting his the
21:25
Speaker 1: cabin he's in on fire and perishing in flames. But
21:28
Speaker 1: the the the fact is to two different cars were
21:32
Speaker 1: shot on by the l a p D UM during
21:35
Speaker 1: the search for this guy. Um, so these aren't just
21:40
Speaker 1: necessarily clean affairs. Saying with Bin Latten, you know, this
21:44
Speaker 1: is part of the campaign that took place over a
21:47
Speaker 1: very long time, and a lot of people were killed
21:49
Speaker 1: to weaken the structure that was hiding him. Still, yeah,
21:54
Speaker 1: drone strikes out the wazoo. Uh. They used some pretty
21:57
Speaker 1: interesting tactics too, that we're not in movie, UM, even
22:02
Speaker 1: though if I've heard the movie is pretty accurate. But
22:04
Speaker 1: they didn't include everything. Obviously. They sent a doctor in
22:08
Speaker 1: a c I A guy who conducted an immunization drive
22:12
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood where they believed his compound was there
22:16
Speaker 1: and basically hoping to come across d n A from
22:19
Speaker 1: him or his family under the guise of a blood drive. Right,
22:24
Speaker 1: it was immunization drive. Yeah, they didn't call it like, hey,
22:26
Speaker 1: it's a d n A collection, right drive. But there
22:30
Speaker 1: there was a lot a big public outcry, especially from
22:32
Speaker 1: the vaccine establishment, saying like, dude, you can't do that
22:35
Speaker 1: because now our name is on that vaccine, right and
22:37
Speaker 1: the next time we want to have a real vaccine drive,
22:40
Speaker 1: no one's gonna show up, and our vaccination people are
22:43
Speaker 1: gonna get killed because they're gonna think they're c i A. Yeah,
22:46
Speaker 1: there's a big, a big hubbub about that. UM. These days,
22:52
Speaker 1: it's tough, especially if you're in a city like London, England,
22:56
Speaker 1: two do anything without being caught on a closed circuit camera. UM.
23:02
Speaker 1: In fact, that's how they eventually identified with the help
23:05
Speaker 1: of UM. Actually, one of the victims in Boston, they're
23:09
Speaker 1: on camera too. But if you're in a big city,
23:12
Speaker 1: it's tough to get away with anything these days. Cameras
23:14
Speaker 1: are everywhere. Uh. They also have UM. I mentioned the
23:18
Speaker 1: UM infrared device, the forward looking infrared device, UM night vision.
23:24
Speaker 1: You've got all sorts of tricks up your sleeve as
23:27
Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies. You think you're hiding in a boat
23:30
Speaker 1: under a tarp, that's pretty safe. You don't think about
23:33
Speaker 1: the dude with the predator camera. They can see you
23:36
Speaker 1: from you know, fifty ft away, breathing heavily. UM. They
23:40
Speaker 1: also have like armor trucks. I think you mentioned those
23:43
Speaker 1: even not even about this. Yeah, and you see those
23:47
Speaker 1: things roll in like I'm sure they love to play
23:49
Speaker 1: with those once a year again that was l ap D. Yeah,
23:52
Speaker 1: but those are very expensive and UM, but they do
23:55
Speaker 1: come in handy I guess about once a year if
23:58
Speaker 1: you can afford it, if your town's large enough. We
24:00
Speaker 1: should say that. UM. There was facial recognition software that
24:05
Speaker 1: they had working on the video for the Boston bombing
24:08
Speaker 1: and it did not work. Yeah, we have an article
24:11
Speaker 1: on that. By the way, I think we should cover
24:12
Speaker 1: that at some point. Facial recognition Yeah, that's scary stuff.
24:17
Speaker 1: Apparently Google has one that like they won't they won't
24:19
Speaker 1: release to the public because they're afraid of the use
24:22
Speaker 1: it will be put to. It's like that good and
24:26
Speaker 1: that potentially bad. But the one the CIA has doesn't
24:30
Speaker 1: work that well. I can see Google having way better
24:33
Speaker 1: algorithms in the CIA, So chuck. Another aspect of Boston
24:39
Speaker 1: search the Boston man hunt was the use of social
24:43
Speaker 1: media for good and ill um or did good effect
24:46
Speaker 1: and bad? I should say, Yeah, getting the word out
24:49
Speaker 1: on Facebook and Twitter is not a bad idea. Yeah. Well,
24:52
Speaker 1: the reddit was kind of the star of the show,
24:56
Speaker 1: or the scapegoat, I should say, for um, social media
25:00
Speaker 1: in the search for the Boston bombing suspects because they
25:03
Speaker 1: were apparently like a couple of thousand stills, video stills
25:07
Speaker 1: and photographs from the area around the time of the
25:10
Speaker 1: bombing posted on a reddit subreddit, and um, all of
25:15
Speaker 1: these people were like combing through them, like they were
25:18
Speaker 1: trying to crowdsource this man hunt, which is a good intention. Yeah,
25:21
Speaker 1: they were looking for suspects. This is before anybody ever
25:24
Speaker 1: released any official photos. Um, and that in and of
25:29
Speaker 1: itself is kind of a good idea. But it when
25:33
Speaker 1: a step further where the people on Reddit were saying, um, okay,
25:37
Speaker 1: I've got to figure it out and into this person,
25:39
Speaker 1: and they would name a suspect, and all of a sudden,
25:42
Speaker 1: there's a rumor out there that this person bombed the
25:45
Speaker 1: Boston Marathon even though they hadn't. Um. So so Reddit
25:50
Speaker 1: took a lot of heat for that, and apparently they
25:52
Speaker 1: even took that forum down. Um. But social media also
25:56
Speaker 1: helped in a lot of ways because everybody was totally
26:01
Speaker 1: connected to this man hunt and had completely up to
26:05
Speaker 1: the date, information to the minute, information from within that
26:09
Speaker 1: containment area, from everywhere, and I guess kind of helped
26:13
Speaker 1: a little more than just passively watching television during a
26:16
Speaker 1: man hunt. Yeah. Another point, one of my favorite man hunts,
26:20
Speaker 1: and this is weird to say that, but um actually,
26:22
Speaker 1: you know what, let's take a break. I'm gonna tease
26:24
Speaker 1: that and I'm going to reveal my favorite man hunt
26:27
Speaker 1: after the break. Okay, So who is it? It's the
26:37
Speaker 1: Uni bomber. Okay, Yeah, was on the LAMB for eighteen years,
26:43
Speaker 1: one of the lengthiest man hunts in US history. Not
26:46
Speaker 1: easy to hide out for that long. Um, and he
26:49
Speaker 1: did it, which Uh, he did it in the wild
26:52
Speaker 1: of Montana. Just pretty good idea. I guess if you're
26:54
Speaker 1: gonna hide out, just drop off the map. Yeah, type manifestos.
26:58
Speaker 1: Actually Montana. They should have been looking there, They should
27:00
Speaker 1: have been going there first. But um, he mailed sixteen
27:05
Speaker 1: bombs over the course of quite a few years and
27:09
Speaker 1: ended up killing three people, wounding twenty three more. And uh,
27:13
Speaker 1: I had a million dollar bounty on his head. One
27:15
Speaker 1: his was one of the most wanted, and eventually he
27:19
Speaker 1: was rooted out by his own brother who read one
27:22
Speaker 1: of the manifestos and said that sounds like Teddy Yeah,
27:27
Speaker 1: and went to the cops and said, hey, this guy
27:29
Speaker 1: might be my brother. Um, the writing style, the things
27:32
Speaker 1: he's saying like it very well could be my brother.
27:35
Speaker 1: And it turned out that was him, right, So, which
27:37
Speaker 1: is another another point for the case that for a
27:41
Speaker 1: man hunt to work, you have to get the public involved,
27:44
Speaker 1: and they did so by publishing these manifestos and said,
27:46
Speaker 1: anybody familiar with this, and the guy's brother said, yeah, me, yeah,
27:51
Speaker 1: same with Eric Robert Rudolph. Yeah, that his name. I
27:55
Speaker 1: don't remember how they caught him. I believe it was
27:59
Speaker 1: hikers in the wood turned him in. I might be wrong,
28:02
Speaker 1: but he was definitely hiding out in the woods. And
28:05
Speaker 1: he was, of course the Olympic bomber. Um, not the
28:08
Speaker 1: guy they originally pinned on, which was pretty sad. What
28:11
Speaker 1: was his name, Richard Jewell? Yeah, man, I felt so
28:15
Speaker 1: bad with that dude. Yeah. Can you imagine, like life ruined? Yeah,
28:19
Speaker 1: and they they compensated him pretty handsomely afterward. But then
28:23
Speaker 1: he only lived a couple of million. Yeah. He died
28:26
Speaker 1: of a heart attack a few years after that. I
28:28
Speaker 1: don't think I knew that. Yeah, it's because he's like,
28:30
Speaker 1: I'm eating steak in lobster every night, asked me the drawing.
28:33
Speaker 1: But Richard Jewel, Yeah, I didn't know he died. Yeah. Um.
28:38
Speaker 1: And then so back to online real quick. Um, there's
28:42
Speaker 1: there's evidence that you can crowdsource a man hunt. There's
28:46
Speaker 1: a whole group of people that live online that are
28:49
Speaker 1: into true crime, that are that like used their interest
28:53
Speaker 1: in their online search skills to try to find the
28:56
Speaker 1: identities of like long lost serial killers, and there's sorts
29:00
Speaker 1: of online man hunts the amateurs take on. Uh And
29:03
Speaker 1: apparently the State Department held something called the Tag Challenge
29:07
Speaker 1: where they had people hiding in cities around the world
29:13
Speaker 1: and people had twelve hours online contestants had twelve hours
29:18
Speaker 1: to find them in like these five different cities using
29:21
Speaker 1: just mug shots and it worked. So they found that
29:26
Speaker 1: with a search, as time becomes more of an essence,
29:29
Speaker 1: like is the pressure amount, people stopped just shooting the
29:34
Speaker 1: info out to wherever they can and start like really targeting,
29:38
Speaker 1: focusing their search. And once you have a bunch of
29:41
Speaker 1: people doing that who are really focused in searching, but
29:44
Speaker 1: a lot of them and sharing information like on social media,
29:48
Speaker 1: that's when they, like a search and not just a
29:51
Speaker 1: man hunt or search for a person, but a search
29:53
Speaker 1: for anything, um, becomes most successful. I guess. Well, yeah,
29:58
Speaker 1: imagine in Boston that every thousands of people in that
30:02
Speaker 1: twenty square block radius are looking out of their window.
30:06
Speaker 1: Oh yeah for this dude. Yeah, so you've got thousands
30:09
Speaker 1: and thousands of more eyeballs. That's two eyeballs per person
30:13
Speaker 1: in most cases, unless you're one of those weird pirates
30:16
Speaker 1: Boston pirates. And that's just that helps you know, Yeah,
30:20
Speaker 1: as long as they're not out, don't grab their guns
30:23
Speaker 1: and you know, get in position. Well yeah, that's sounds scary. Well,
30:27
Speaker 1: that's why they released the pictures of the suspects finally,
30:30
Speaker 1: because they were trying to to crack down on online
30:33
Speaker 1: vigilantium that could lead to real life vigilanism. So, uh,
30:39
Speaker 1: hats off to the dude who saw the dude in
30:42
Speaker 1: the boat. You got anything else? I got nothing else?
30:46
Speaker 1: All right, Well, if you want to learn more about
30:48
Speaker 1: man hunts, you can type that word in the search
30:50
Speaker 1: bar house toff works. And since I said search bar,
30:52
Speaker 1: that means it's time for listener. Ma'm uh yeah, I'm
30:57
Speaker 1: gonna call this Chess about Chess, and I'm gonna read
31:01
Speaker 1: a couple of them, not here, but one now and
31:03
Speaker 1: one another episode because we got a lot of great
31:05
Speaker 1: feedback from chess enthusiasts. People dig this game. This is
31:10
Speaker 1: from David Wagner. Hey, guys, while you were discussing the
31:14
Speaker 1: concept of castling, y'all said you didn't quite understand the
31:17
Speaker 1: value or strategy behind it. You're right, it is all
31:20
Speaker 1: about protecting the king. Remember how you pointed out that
31:23
Speaker 1: you want to control the center of the board, that
31:25
Speaker 1: when your pieces are off to the side, they're not
31:27
Speaker 1: as strong. Well, that has a lot to do with
31:30
Speaker 1: why you want to castle Basically, the king is more vulnerable,
31:33
Speaker 1: open to attacks and has less protection when he remains
31:36
Speaker 1: in his original E R D square, So you want
31:38
Speaker 1: to castle him and get him away from those center squares. Also,
31:42
Speaker 1: you talk about the m passant rule, which is one
31:45
Speaker 1: of my favorites and something almost never pass up. You
31:49
Speaker 1: sound mostly because I get because I rarely get a
31:53
Speaker 1: chance to implement. It doesn't happen when a pawn passes
31:57
Speaker 1: another pond though on its first move out. It is
32:00
Speaker 1: when it lands next to another pond that the latter
32:03
Speaker 1: pond can capture it. So I think we screwed that up. Um,
32:08
Speaker 1: not big time. We were close. No, I've got that
32:11
Speaker 1: way wrong. Okay, one last thing and then I'll quit.
32:14
Speaker 1: Chess pieces. You're gonna love this and their symbols on top.
32:18
Speaker 1: Many of the basic pieces themselves serve as visual reminders
32:23
Speaker 1: of how they can move. For example, the night is
32:25
Speaker 1: l shaped, which is how it moves. The bishop's miter
32:28
Speaker 1: has a diagonal slit in it. They move diagonally. The rook,
32:32
Speaker 1: when seen from above, can move in the basic cardinal
32:35
Speaker 1: directions forward, back, left, right, and on top of the
32:38
Speaker 1: rook there are turrets pointing in all the cardinal directions.
32:41
Speaker 1: A queen has many points on her ground showing that
32:43
Speaker 1: she can go in any way, any direction, and that
32:46
Speaker 1: small little cross on top of the king lets you
32:49
Speaker 1: know how far he can go. Although that doesn't include
32:52
Speaker 1: his diagnomos, which he can move in. The whole theory
32:55
Speaker 1: kind of falls apart there a little bit um, but
32:59
Speaker 1: that is a David Wagner in Columbia, South Carolina. Nice.
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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, David Wagner. That was a great email, pleasant, approachable,
33:08
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33:11
Speaker 1: can dance to it all right, man, Way to go, Wagner. Uh.
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