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KILLER HUSBAND BRIAN WALSHE TWISTS IN COURT AS WIFE'S LOVER TAKES THE STAND, JURY BRINGS DOWN THE HAMMER · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Suspected killer. Suspected killer husband
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  Speaker 1: Brian Walts, twists and turns in court as his wife's
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  Speaker 1: lover takes the stand. The jury brings down the hammer.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. A Massachusetts father of
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  Speaker 1: three stands trial for his wife, Anna Walsh's alleged murder,
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  Speaker 1: and while he's sitting there, groomed perfectly flanked by a
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  Speaker 1: phalanx of attorneys, his wife's alleged his wife's lover takes
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  Speaker 1: the stand. That's right, Brian Walsh, accused of murdering and
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  Speaker 1: is remembering his wife, Anna, the mother of his children,
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  Speaker 1: got to sit by and listen to his lover, to
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  Speaker 1: her lover on the stand. Now listen to this, and
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  Speaker 1: you can't really blame the defense attorney. What did he
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  Speaker 1: have to work with? During opening statements, defense attorneys said
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  Speaker 1: Brian Walsh found his wife dead in bed on New
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  Speaker 1: Year's Day, then panicked, lied to police as they investigated
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  Speaker 1: her disappearance, but swore he didn't kill her. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: he finds her dad and didn't call nine one one.
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  Speaker 1: He decided it was a better idea to dismember her
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  Speaker 1: and get rid of her body. Okay. Jurors also her
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  Speaker 1: testimony from a man who was Anna Walsh's lover on
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  Speaker 1: the stand, as well as a voicemail. Brian Walsh left
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  Speaker 1: the guy the day she Anna was reported missing. His name,
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  Speaker 1: William Fastau, real estate broker in d C, met Anna
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  Speaker 1: while she was looking for a home in d C
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  Speaker 1: and he helped her buy a townhouse. Now, remember her husband,
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  Speaker 1: Brian Waltsh was on house arrest because he's an art
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  Speaker 1: con selling fake Andy Warhol's. So I guess anybody but
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  Speaker 1: him looked pretty attractive to her. Yeah, my husband's on
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  Speaker 1: house arrest, at home, not making a living. Not attractive.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm telling you this much. I get up
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  Speaker 1: and go to work every day, and I expect David
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  Speaker 1: Lynch to get up and go to work every day too,
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  Speaker 1: and he does. Plus, don't be jealous, ladies, he empties
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  Speaker 1: the trash and cleans up after I cook. So you
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  Speaker 1: know that said, that's a high standard. Brian Watsh just
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  Speaker 1: laid around the house. Why because he was a con
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  Speaker 1: and got sentenced to house arrest. Fast How the lover says,
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  Speaker 1: Enna was despaonna and sad because she was away from
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  Speaker 1: her children so much, but she had to be to
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  Speaker 1: make a living because her husband had home confinement. She
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  Speaker 1: was deeply upset that she was not in a position
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  Speaker 1: to be the mother to her children she wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be because of her husband. What happened to Anna Walts.
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  Speaker 2: New Tonight Police were asking the public to help them
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  Speaker 2: find a Cohaset, Massachusetts mother of three who vanished without
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  Speaker 2: a trace on New Year's Day. Thirty nine year old
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  Speaker 2: Anna Walsh left her home early Sunday morning. She was
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  Speaker 2: supposed to take a flight from Logan to DC, where
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  Speaker 2: she works during the week, but there's no record of
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  Speaker 2: her ever boarding a flight. Police say there's been reports
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  Speaker 2: that she took a ride share, but investigators haven't been able.
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  Speaker 1: To confirm that.
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  Speaker 3: Three days after she was seen leaving her home with
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  Speaker 3: bags in hand, Walsh was reported missing.
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  Speaker 4: We cannot confirm that she actually got into a ride
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  Speaker 4: share in Cohasset.
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  Speaker 1: We confurther, we have confirmed with the Alnes.
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  Speaker 5: And that's been a challenge that she did not board
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  Speaker 5: a plane this week.
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  Speaker 3: Police say her phone has been off and there has
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  Speaker 3: been no activity on her credit or debit cards. Is
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  Speaker 3: a loving wife and mother.
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  Speaker 6: Dave.
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  Speaker 7: She always says, three beautiful boys, three beautiful boys.
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  Speaker 5: So she loves so.
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  Speaker 1: Much Phil boys wondering where is mommy? Hearing our friends
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  Speaker 1: at WPR I in WUSA, so where's Anna now? I
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  Speaker 1: had to take that exact flight very often, and between
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  Speaker 1: New York and Boston and DC, it's almost a triangle
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  Speaker 1: of hourly flights with me an all star panel to
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  Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now. But first
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Bob Ward, reporter for Boston
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  Speaker 1: twenty five News. You can find him at Twitter at
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  Speaker 1: b Ward three. Bob, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Could you just verbalize that a little bit better than
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  Speaker 1: I did? I mean, I know, out of in New York,
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  Speaker 1: I would very often have to race from Court TV
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  Speaker 1: to get to the Marine Air terminal at LaGuardia, a
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  Speaker 1: different terminal than the main LaGuardia terminal, because they had
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  Speaker 1: hourly flights not only to Atlanta but to d C,
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  Speaker 1: where I would go to shoot Larry King. And believe
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  Speaker 1: it or not, they were so regular, almost like a
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  Speaker 1: bus for sake, I could be there within two hours
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  Speaker 1: of leaving the studios in Manhattan. It was amazing, But
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  Speaker 1: there are so many flights out of Logan to New
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  Speaker 1: York and d C. That's a lot of investigation to
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  Speaker 1: find out if she really did get on a plane.
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  Speaker 8: Right. But you know, Nanthy, right from the very beginning,
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  Speaker 8: this sounded odd because you're talking. This was New Year's Day.
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  Speaker 8: This was first thing in the morning on New Year's Day.
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  Speaker 8: She had a party at her house that went until
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  Speaker 8: about one o'clock in the morning New Year's Eve into
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  Speaker 8: New Year's Day. A mother of three who claimed there
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  Speaker 8: was an emergency at her realty firm in Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, let me let's start right there. Bob Ward
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  Speaker 1: is joining me from Boston twenty five mews. I'm drinking
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  Speaker 1: out of the fireheiser from you, Bob Ward. You're giving
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  Speaker 1: me so much information so quickly. So with the three children,
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  Speaker 1: she was actually working in DC, living in the Boston area.
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  Speaker 1: And what was her job in DC? Was it a
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  Speaker 1: new job?
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  Speaker 8: It was a fairly new job. You know, we're still
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  Speaker 8: trying to unpack some of this stuff. But she had
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  Speaker 8: a job with an apartment down in DC.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but what was her job in DC?
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  Speaker 8: I'm not clear on what her job was. She was
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  Speaker 8: not a realtor, but she was some kind of property manager.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. That's what it was. Property manager. And hold
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  Speaker 1: on just a moment we all know about getting a
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  Speaker 1: new job, you feel like you've got to do whatever
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  Speaker 1: they want to make that great impression so they don't say, Wow,
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  Speaker 1: we've got her on six months probation. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: can her. She's not doing a very good job. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: David Stutdard is with me right now, guys. Now I
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  Speaker 1: think of David Stutter as a motorman, as an APD
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  Speaker 1: Atlanta Police Department officer, but now he is a very
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  Speaker 1: well known lawyer. David Studdard, do you remember your first
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  Speaker 1: day on the job as a cop?
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 5: I do, and it was a los long time ago,
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  Speaker 5: nineteen to eighty eight. And I do remember my first day,
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  Speaker 5: and I was super excited, super enthusiastic and just wanting
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  Speaker 5: to get out and stay in the world.
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  Speaker 1: And didn't want to screw anything up and land at
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  Speaker 1: some desk assignment.
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  Speaker 8: That's right.
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  Speaker 5: We were on a very strict six month probationary period
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  Speaker 5: when we first started there, and any infraction would cause
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  Speaker 5: you some difficulty right quick. So to your point, absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: I was willing to do whatever I needed to do
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  Speaker 5: to get to that probationary period.
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  Speaker 1: And then you put yourself through law skill. Can you
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  Speaker 1: remember your first day working as a lawyer, like, yeh man,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going unscrew this up. This is nothing like being
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  Speaker 1: a cop.
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  Speaker 5: That's absolutely right, the same sort of feeling.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Karen Stark, you remember you would be with
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  Speaker 1: me on the set at Court TV. Karen Stark is
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  Speaker 1: with me, renowned psychologists joining us out of the Manhattan jurisdiction.
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  Speaker 1: She's at Karenstark dot com, Karen with to see Karen.
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  Speaker 1: You'd be with me on the set at Court TV,
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  Speaker 1: and my stomach would be churning to figure out if
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  Speaker 1: I can make that flight to get to Larry Kings
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  Speaker 1: to in Washington to get on the air, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And I would make it. I don't think I ever
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  Speaker 1: did not make it. But when you've got a new gig,
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  Speaker 1: you'll do anything. And if they told me, hey, you
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  Speaker 1: got to fly to d C to be on tonight,
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  Speaker 1: I go, sure, I can't wait. Just like this woman,
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  Speaker 1: they go, hey you got to fly down to d C.
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  Speaker 1: We got an emergency. I don't care if it's New
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  Speaker 1: Year's Day and she would hop that plane would do
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  Speaker 1: you agree with that?
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  Speaker 9: I would agree with it, Nancy. And I remember those
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  Speaker 9: days like it was yesterday, and you were always doing
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  Speaker 9: above and beyond what you needed to do. I used
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  Speaker 9: to watch you and Larry King because I couldn't believe
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  Speaker 9: that you would make it, and you always made it.
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  Speaker 1: But what pressure. Yeah, there were a lot of white
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  Speaker 1: knuckles in a cab trying to get to LaGuardia Marine.
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  Speaker 1: So we're hearing from Bob Ward that something wasn't right.
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  Speaker 1: But yet it was a new job, so people talked
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  Speaker 1: it off. Well, you know, she's proving herself. But then
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  Speaker 1: things even went more sideways. Take a listen to our
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  Speaker 1: friends at Boston twenty five.
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  Speaker 10: A Cohasset police log is shedding new light on how
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  Speaker 10: the investigation first got started. It says a call requesting
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  Speaker 10: a well being check was made on January fourth by
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  Speaker 10: a man who identified himself as the head of security
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  Speaker 10: at Honor Walsh's employer in DC, Tishman Spyer. The log
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  Speaker 10: says Tishman Spyer contacted husband Brian Walsh before he reported
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  Speaker 10: his wife missing. It explains that he told police on
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  Speaker 10: a left for DC, and he hadn't heard from her since.
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  Speaker 10: According to the log on his phone, last piged on
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  Speaker 10: January second at three fourteen am in Cohasset and hit
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  Speaker 10: the tower on Reservoir Road in Cohasset, less than a
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  Speaker 10: mile from the family's home.
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  Speaker 1: Okay with me. Very well known PI private investigator Tom
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  Speaker 1: Ruskin is with us. Ruskin is president of CMP Protective
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  Speaker 1: and Investigative Group, Inc. Former NYPD investigator, and you can
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  Speaker 1: find him at cmpdashgroup dot com. Tom Ruskin, I don't
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  Speaker 1: like it when it's your job calling to report you missing,
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  Speaker 1: not your family.
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  Speaker 8: Correct.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it distincs to the high heavens. It really does.
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  Speaker 4: Not to mention that it is a lot easier now
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  Speaker 4: than when I joined the force before my colleague in
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  Speaker 4: nineteen eighty two, to check flight records, to check TSA records,
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  Speaker 4: to check different airlines. There's only a certain number of
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  Speaker 4: airlines that would fly between her home and Washington, DC,
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  Speaker 4: and it's very easy for the TSA and holy insecurity
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  Speaker 4: to go into those records now and search for her name,
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  Speaker 4: her data, birth and see if she A had a
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  Speaker 4: plane reservation, B. Did she clear security with all the
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  Speaker 4: cameras that are in airports and c did she actually
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  Speaker 4: get on the flight?
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  Speaker 1: Can I tell you something, Tom Ruskin, that's an excellent point.
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  Speaker 1: I hadn't even thought of, because I remember going and
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  Speaker 1: you'll laugh at this. Stuttered going to the greyhound bus
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  Speaker 1: station in inner city Atlanta, trying to find out if
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  Speaker 1: a particular woman who always into this day is still
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  Speaker 1: a Jane Day by the way, who was murdered, if
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  Speaker 1: she had gotten off of a greyhound bus before she
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  Speaker 1: was murdered by whom I believe to be a serial killer.
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  Speaker 1: Don't worry, I got them on one one. But it
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  Speaker 1: was so hard to.
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  Speaker 4: Do, Tom Nancy. You'll also remember when you ran from
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  Speaker 4: Court TV to the Marine Air terminal at Laguadi Airport.
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  Speaker 4: You used to be able to run through no magainetometers.
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  Speaker 4: You'd run on a Delta flight or People's Express flight
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  Speaker 4: or Eastern back then, and you just jump on the
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  Speaker 4: flight with a random ticket that you could say any hour. Nowadays,
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  Speaker 4: you can't do that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, tsa man. They got to justify their existence
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  Speaker 1: and so they will do a full on body cavity
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  Speaker 1: search if they feel like it. It doesn't matter who
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  Speaker 1: you are. You know, who gets searched the most. My
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  Speaker 1: mother going in with a wheelchair when we push her
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  Speaker 1: around the airport even though she can walk. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they love to hone in on my mom. Elizabeth that said,
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  Speaker 1: you're right, Tom Ruskin, there's only a couple of air
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  Speaker 1: carriers that go between Boston and d C. Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace the lover fast Out testified the fraud
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  Speaker 1: case against Brian Walts was a quote big stresser in
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  Speaker 1: Anna's marriage, and it felt like he was ruining and
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  Speaker 1: she felt like it was ruining her and the children's life.
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  Speaker 1: He testified that Anna and Walsh had a quote heated
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  Speaker 1: argument over credit card charges. She told him Brian Walt,
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  Speaker 1: sitting on his rear end on the sofa not working,
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  Speaker 1: has spent thousands for a sports memorabilia business. I would
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  Speaker 1: have done a beflop. What do we know about the
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  Speaker 1: evidence regarding her murder? The employer is reporting Anna missing,
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  Speaker 1: not her family, but listen to this WBZ.
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  Speaker 3: WBZ has obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left
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  Speaker 3: by mister Walsh for one of Anna's friends. It's the
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  Speaker 3: same day Anna was reported missing to police.
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  Speaker 7: Said Brian Walsh.
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  Speaker 5: I hope all is going well, I was just reaching
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  Speaker 5: out to basically everybody I could.
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  Speaker 7: Anna hasn't been in touch for a few days, you know,
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  Speaker 7: anyone that might have that contact with her.
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  Speaker 11: Just you calling everyone. So I've heard to bother you
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  Speaker 11: for everything.
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  Speaker 1: Fine, So we do see the husband reaching out to
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  Speaker 1: her friends and leaving voicemails for all of them trying
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  Speaker 1: to find out if they had heard from Anna and
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  Speaker 1: joining me right now. Julie lewis President and CEO of
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  Speaker 1: Digital Mountain, Inc. At Digital Mountain dot com. Julie, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us, Tom Ruskin. The PI points
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  Speaker 1: out how much easier it is to check flight records
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  Speaker 1: through TSA and even getting subpoenas very quickly, or asking
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  Speaker 1: the carrier like Delta to check their records to find
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  Speaker 1: out if somebody made a flight. So, according to police,
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  Speaker 1: she didn't make that flight. But what Julie lewis about
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  Speaker 1: ride share, lift, Uber and all the others digitally, wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: that leave a trail if she had taken a right
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  Speaker 1: chair to the airport.
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  Speaker 12: You can certainly contact the custodian of records at the ubers,
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  Speaker 12: the lift and types of companies that she would have
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  Speaker 12: taken a ride share and find out that information with
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  Speaker 12: legal due process and see what you know, what the
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  Speaker 12: actual fact pattern is there?
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  Speaker 1: Well, what about her phone? I mean most people get
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  Speaker 1: their right chair through their phone app.
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  Speaker 5: If you have access to her yes, if you have.
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  Speaker 11: Access to her phone, you knew.
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  Speaker 7: The whereabouts of that phone.
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  Speaker 11: You would have access to the app. But most of
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  Speaker 11: that data would be stored.
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  Speaker 12: In the cloud and pointing up to the Uber application.
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  Speaker 4: Uh not.
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  Speaker 12: It might not be stored on.
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  Speaker 5: The local phone. So that's something to consider.
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  Speaker 1: Got a question for you, Julie Lewis, if we don't
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  Speaker 1: have her phone, but we do have her code, say,
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  Speaker 1: it's like everybody else in America their birthday or their
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  Speaker 1: children's birthday, and we have the code for her phone.
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  Speaker 1: Can we get into the iCloud that way?
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  Speaker 11: Typically you would need the user name, you would need
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  Speaker 11: a password for the accounts, and you would also if they.
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  Speaker 12: Have multifacturer authentication, turned on the code from the text message.
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  Speaker 1: So a little harder than I thought. But you know
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  Speaker 1: what we're talking about her phone and where she Where
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  Speaker 1: is the husband during all of this? Take a listener
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  Speaker 1: our cut thirty five Lynn Bilund talking and indicating our
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  Speaker 1: January first at three pm. We did some arans and
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  Speaker 1: reach was not his.
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  Speaker 6: House and swamps, but but Glost because he didn't have
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  Speaker 6: his phone.
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  Speaker 1: He said, you know, he was lost when he saw.
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  Speaker 8: A pirate ship one root one.
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  Speaker 6: Defenders stated stayed fifteen minutes, then went.
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  Speaker 1: To Whole Foods and CBS.
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  Speaker 6: Savannah's has checked and he did not enter either with
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  Speaker 6: those stores.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Bob Ward, Boston, twenty five on this the disappearance
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  Speaker 1: of Otto Walsh since the beginning saw a pirate ship
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  Speaker 1: on route one what okay, now wait a minute, wait,
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  Speaker 1: so he says the husband says he's going to visit
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  Speaker 1: his mother and he gets lost on the way to
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  Speaker 1: his mom's home, and when he sees a pirate ship,
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  Speaker 1: he knows he's lost, but then goes into Whole Fows
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  Speaker 1: and CBS even though he's lost.
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  Speaker 8: What the pirate ship is a landmark on the one
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  Speaker 8: area there's you know that area of Swampskip where his
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  Speaker 8: mother lives. There are some old landmarks, miniature golf places, restaurants,
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  Speaker 8: that sort of thing. And I think that's what it
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  Speaker 8: was that he's talking about, was a landmark that he
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  Speaker 8: saw that told him where he was. And he said
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  Speaker 8: he got lost because he didn't have a GPS on
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  Speaker 8: his phone with him, because he's elected at home.
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  Speaker 1: Karen Starry, I find that very unusual. I've told that
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  Speaker 1: my twins is like the wizards and their wands and
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  Speaker 1: Harry Potter, you don't go anywhere without It doesn't make
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  Speaker 1: sense to me he didn't have a cell phone, especially
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  Speaker 1: if he hasn't heard from his wife. Wouldn't you keep
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  Speaker 1: your cell phone with you at that time in case
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  Speaker 1: she called?
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  Speaker 9: Well, let's think about this, Nancy. How many people really
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  Speaker 9: leave home these days without their phone. It's it's improbable.
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  Speaker 9: I have trouble believing that he accidentally left at home
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  Speaker 9: and he knows that he's being watched. It seems to
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  Speaker 9: me so he intentionally left that phone home. I have
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  Speaker 9: no doubt about it. He's the nefarious character. He knows
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  Speaker 9: exactly what he's doing.
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  Speaker 1: In the search for Anna Walsh. Local authorities find something
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  Speaker 1: very unusual. Take a listen to our cut forty.
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  Speaker 6: Data from the phone also practices where boats on January
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  Speaker 6: third locations were traveled at four twenty seven on January
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  Speaker 6: third from pot Complex and hargen So valiance shows the
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  Speaker 6: defendant's BOBO as well as a male befitting the dependent's
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: appearance Exeter Pa.
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  Speaker 1: Near the dumpster.
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: He watched the dumpster Caunton garbage he's leaning and it
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: appears to be heavy as he has to heft it
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  Speaker 6: into the dumpster.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: He walks to the dumpster.
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: With garbage matter and leaves it on full forty eight.
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: He hit another complex in Averton and at five ten pm,
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: cell phone shows records at another apartment and brought to him.
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: Video shows a hearty consistent with his appearance and his
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: global again.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: He decided ads in the dumpster. Bob Ward joining us
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: from Boston twenty five on his disappearance. From the very beginning,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with my husband throwing trash
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: out there in the dumpster outside our house, but when
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: he starts going from one dumpster to the next dumpster,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: to the next dumpster to the next dumpster, all in
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: within a one hour period, that concerns me. And you
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: know who reminds me of And you're gonna know this
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: name very well. Jennifer Dulo's the missing Connecticut mom of five.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Remember her husband, Fotus Delos and his mistress. They're going
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: all around town dropping off items and they're caught on
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: surveillance video. Why is it, Bob, or maybe you can
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: shed some light on this. Why is it that when
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: a woman goes missing, her husband suddenly turns into a
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: knee nick and he has to throw out the trash.
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: Good question, Nancy, I think we know the answer to that.
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: And that's the allegation here that the sadly that January
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: third incident that you just played the cut from the
• 20:31
  Speaker 8: dumpsters in the south Shore and Abington and Brockton, what
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: we're going to find out in court that is, when
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: the remains of on A. Walsh are being discarded in
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: those dumpsters, those dumpsters eventually are brought to an incinerator
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: in the south Shore of Massachusetts, and within an hour
• 20:50
  Speaker 8: of those dumpsters being brought to that incinerator, they're destroyed.
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: Anna Walsh's remains have never been located, and the thought
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: is that they never will be because that's for those
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: bags were brought. The other trash bags that were recovered
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: in this case were brought to the north shore near
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: that pirate ship that we just talked about, and they
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: were not brought to an incinerator but to a landfill.
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: They were found and it's inside I don't know from
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: getting ahead of us, but inside those trash bags is
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: where the evidence, the incriminating evidence has been located in
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: this case.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Bob Ward, could you tell me everything you just said
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: one more time in very slowly?
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: Sure?
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I think the gist is that very quickly after husband
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Brian Waltch visited these various dumpsters, the dumpsters were cleaned
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: out where the trash was picked up and taken some
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: to an incinerator and some to the pirate ship. Wait wait, wait, wait, wait,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: hold on, wait a minute, Wait a minute, Karen Stark,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: have you ever noticed how defendants weave in a tiny
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: bit of truth and to their big fat lie the
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: pirate ship.
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: I mean, that's what makes pathological liars so interesting, Nancy,
• 22:07
  Speaker 9: is because it's usually based on a hint of truth, right,
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: like no smoke without fire. There's a little bit of smoke,
• 22:15
  Speaker 9: but the rest of it they conjure up. And they're
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: very adept at being able to tell a lie that
• 22:23
  Speaker 9: has a little bit of truth in it, but a
• 22:24
  Speaker 9: lot of fawceond I like.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: The rebeiast conjure I like a magician or a wizard,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: because one moment on a Walsh is there with witnesses
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: at a New Year's Eve party and the next moment
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: she's gone, Bob Ward joining me. Investigative Report of Boston
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: twenty five, tell me again what you just said?
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: So On January third, Brian Walsh, according to the prosecutors,
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: is recorded on surveillance trying to dump trash bags into
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: dumpsters in the south Shore of Boston and the towns
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: of Thatington and Brockton. The prosecution believes that those trash
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: bags that he was struggling with to get into the
• 23:08
  Speaker 8: dumpsters contained the dismembered remains of his wife on a Walsh.
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: Shortly after he did that, those dumpsters were brought to
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: an incinerator in the south Shore. Within an hour of
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: those trash bags arriving at that incinerator, they were incinerated
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: and converted into electricity, and Walsh's remains have never been found.
• 23:36
  Speaker 8: It's an absolutely horrific and gruesome part of this case.
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: The other half of it is that Brian Walsh did
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: not allegedly did not discard of all the evidence in
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: the case on the south Shore. The allegation is that
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: he took his tools, the instruments that he used to
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: dismember his wife's body, along with some of her clothes
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: and belongings, and put them in other trash bags, scarded
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: those things in dumpsters on the north shore of Boston
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: near his mother's house, near that pirate ship. Those trash
• 24:08
  Speaker 8: bags have been recovered and those items are going to
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: be an important part of this case in this trial
• 24:15
  Speaker 8: when it takes place.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: And what do you believe Bob Ward were in those
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: trash bags in January?
• 24:22
  Speaker 8: What we've been told was that they found a hatchet,
• 24:24
  Speaker 8: a hack saw, They found a bloody rug, they found
• 24:29
  Speaker 8: Anna's product purse, they found the boots that she was
• 24:32
  Speaker 8: seen wearing at that New Year's Eve party, and Nancy,
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: they found her COVID nineteen card. It's absolutely stunning what
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: they found.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Joining me former APD Atlanta Police Department officer and now lawyer,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: what rank did you get to? Started?
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: I left?
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: There's an investigator, Nante's a homicide detective.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Left? Okay, David, have you ever had a case without
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: a body aside without a body?
• 25:01
  Speaker 8: Yes?
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I have. Can I just say that's a tough pill
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: to swallow?
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: It is, but fortunately even in those cases and this guy, look,
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: you know, as a homicide detective. I would have been
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: looking at this guy immediately simply based on the fact
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: that his wife gets on an airplane, she's apparently overdue,
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: he hasn't heard from her in three days. Only after
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: he is contacted by her employer does he make an
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: outcry about his wife. That'll. I mean, my wife gets
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: on an airplane, she travels frequently. If I haven't heard
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: from her a few minutes after she's supposed to touch down,
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: I get Frank. I mean, I'm calling every you know,
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: trying to call her and call her. This guy has
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: done nothing, but he's like a magnet for suspicion. I mean,
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: he's going out, he's talking about this pirate ship, you know,
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: and not to mention all of this physical evidence that's located,
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: which to my point is, you know, even the most
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: careful criminals, when they commit these kinds of crimes, it's
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: almost impossible to do without leaving some sort of forensic
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: physical evidence behind. And this guy has left a mountain
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: of it.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, it could you. Here's another thing, Julie Lewis,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna circle back to you just a moment about
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: possible nav systems on his car. But Tom Ruskin joining me,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and then I want Karen start to weigh in on
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: this as well. Tom Ruskin, guy's private investigator or extraordinary
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: President of CMP Protective and Investigative Group, Tom listen. I
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: don't like jewelry. I really don't like fancy clothes. I
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: don't like fancy cars. But if you were to take
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: let's just say, this little ring right here, this is
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: made of my mother in law's jewelry. Okay, it's very thin,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: it's not be jeweled, but if you were to take that,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I would come after you. All right. There are just
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: some things that wouldn't matter to me. And I've got
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: a funny feeling this woman would not want her to
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: fancy boots and her proud of hers thrown out.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: No, and it would be weird if she had left
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: and left for a business trip, if she didn't take
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: those with her, that they wouldn't be behind in the
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: house and be discoverable. This guy is definitely the prime suspect,
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: and probably we'll be convicted at trial. The fact of
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: the matter is, to the other gentleman's point, you don't
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: need a body anymore to prove a case.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: It sure helps, though, man. Come on, Ruskin, I mean, yeah,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: you don't need a body. I'm not going to give
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: him a gold star for getting rid of the body.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: And again, he hasn't been proven guilty. We're just hypothesizing
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: on the evidence that we have. But it's sure, as
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: hag helps, if you do have a dead body to
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: prove a murder case.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: But it also goes against him because we know that
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: he was in these yards, he was dumping stuff. What
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: is he doing dumping her garbage? What's the matter? His
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: pickup's not working at his house.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Karen starts, He's so right. And Karen, again, I threw
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: this to Stuttard earlier, I think, but why do you
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: guys turn into neat nicks as soon as their wives disappear?
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: And again, like Stutdard said, and like Ruskin is saying
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: about the trash, it defies the course of normal human conduct.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: He doesn't check on his wife to see if she landed.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Her employer has to call looking for her. And then
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: he wants to take out the trash. Fine, do it
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: at the corner at the end of the driveway, or
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the trash ute in your apartment in Manhattan, But why
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: do you go to five or six different dumpsters and
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: because somebody just surprised me once and not throw bloody
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: rags and towels in a dumpster.
• 28:45
  Speaker 9: Do something different what always happens, Nancy. He believes he's
• 28:49
  Speaker 9: not going to get caught, and this looks suspicious, so suspicious.
• 28:53
  Speaker 9: I mean, he gets lost going to his mother.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: He didn't get lost. He's trying to explain his circuitous
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: route from one dump to the next.
• 29:03
  Speaker 9: And also saying that he went to places where they
• 29:06
  Speaker 9: could check and he did not go.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: So, Nancy, can I jump in for one second? Yes,
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: I just want to bring welso bring up the fact
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: this is a woman. Let's assume that the husband has
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: nothing to do with her murder. This is a woman
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: who's going to take a flight, supposedly from Boston to
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Washington on a business trip. Why is her phone off?
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: No one that travels, myself, my loved ones, my family. Well,
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: we go to the airport, you show off your phone
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: once you're on the flight, and you turn it on.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: To mister Stoddard's point once you land. Why is she
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: becoming all of a sudden sreptitious or becoming covert in
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: her actions, which sort of defies the logic of the husband.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Tom Ruskin, private investigator. You're absolutely right. I mean, I
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: don't guess any of you people on this panel have
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: read Don't be an Victim written by Oh what's that
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: girl's name? Oh Nancy Grace. You're supposed to like take
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: a picture of when you're in the parking deck, which
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I do and send in my family, and then when
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I get on the plane, I take a picture I'm
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: on the plane and send to them. You don't even
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: have to write a text or write words, but just
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: let people know where you're going. Jackie. I think I've
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: even sent them to you before. Yes, I have. Okay, guys,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: that's not the end of it. But I want to
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: ask Julie Louis Something, President and CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc. Julie,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: what about I like to just say on Star as
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: a blanket nav description, wouldn't his car show everywhere he
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: had been if it were, you know, anything older than
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: in twenty ten?
• 30:46
  Speaker 11: So before I jump into that, I just you were
• 30:48
  Speaker 11: talking about pictures, and there was supposedly a picture she
• 30:52
  Speaker 11: photographed of herself with her.
• 30:53
  Speaker 12: Wedding ring off and some of her final photos, and
• 30:57
  Speaker 12: so within that picture things called excess data that you
• 31:01
  Speaker 12: can look for that potentially could have geolocation information about
• 31:05
  Speaker 12: where she was when the picture was taken.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Say that is why you're the expert. I didn't even
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: catch that, Julie Lewis so.
• 31:13
  Speaker 11: Switching gears to the car. You know, the car is
• 31:16
  Speaker 11: a moving computer these days on most cars with.
• 31:20
  Speaker 12: Why buy has GPS, it has a cell network, all
• 31:25
  Speaker 12: these things that you can use for tracking. So if
• 31:29
  Speaker 12: Brian's car has has that in it, law enforcement could
• 31:33
  Speaker 12: have certainly used that information. The other thing that happens
• 31:37
  Speaker 12: in cars is a lot of people think their phones
• 31:41
  Speaker 12: and so text messages, contacts, you know, browser history, all
• 31:46
  Speaker 12: these things may be on that on.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: The car now.
• 31:50
  Speaker 12: You know, for example, if you rent a.
• 31:52
  Speaker 11: Car, even that information can be on that. So that's
• 31:56
  Speaker 11: something that's really important to note.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: You mean, when you charge your phone in a car,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: the car can track everything that you have written on
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: your phone during that time.
• 32:06
  Speaker 11: It could be thinking like you when you are in
• 32:08
  Speaker 11: a uber your playlist, Depending on the configuration, it could
• 32:12
  Speaker 11: actually download that. So you don't want to go in
• 32:14
  Speaker 11: some stranger's car rental car.
• 32:17
  Speaker 12: And plug it in because the car and voltanment system
• 32:21
  Speaker 12: could be grabbing and capturing some information from your phone.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Good to Night Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The lover
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: also testifies their relationship was hidden from Anna's husband, but
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: it was serious and they were planning to travel abroad together.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Anna wanted to tell Brian about the relationship. The two
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: were supposed to have dinner to discuss their future together
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: on January four, but he never heard from her. What
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: happened between Christmas in January the fourth Take a listener
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: hour cut thirty six This is Land, Bilan talking On.
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  Speaker 6: January first, defenditive googled.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Using a son's iPad. Some of his searches are as follows.
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: Keep in mind that the defendant said he left at
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: sixteen six am.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: At four fifty five.
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: Am on January first, he searched how long before a
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: body starts to smell?
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: How long before a body starts to smell? Okay, keep going?
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: Eight am?
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: How to stop a body from decomposing?
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: At five twenty am.
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: He searched how to bound the body At five forty
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: seven am. Ten ways to dispose of a dead body
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: if you really need to. At six twenty five am
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: on the first how long for someone to be missing
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: to inherit?
• 33:54
  Speaker 9: At six thirty four am.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: On first, can you go away body pots? Okay, I
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: think we need Doctor Kendall Crowns, Chief Medical Examiner, Terrance
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: County Lecturer, University, Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us. Let
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: me just ask you a couple days and I'd like
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: to point out also, this is food for thought for you.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Karen Stark, psychologist on his son's iPad, like they don't
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: know how to read the search history and there's daddy searching.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: How long before a body starts to smell? How do
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: you stop a body from decomposing? How to get rid
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: of a body? Ten ways to dispose of a dead
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: body if you really need to. I'm glad he added
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: to check that on it at the end. How long
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: before how long for someone to be missing to inherit?
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: That's not for you, Crowns. Can you throw away body parts? Okay?
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I'm starting to agree with Tom Ruskin and David Stone
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: or Debt. You don't really need the dead body to
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: prove that someone is dead. Doctor Kendall Crowns, can you
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: give me some quick answers to those this is a
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: lightning round for you. How long before a body starts
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: to smell?
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: Doctor Crown's for ten days?
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: That just rolled off the tip of your tongue. I'm
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: not going to ask why how do you stop a
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: body from decomposing?
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: Refrigeration?
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: I mean, you look at it. That guy they found
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: in the iceberg ot see the iceman. He was missing
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: for a thousand years and he's stuck in the iceberg.
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: So really, refrigeration is the best way to prevent a
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: body from decomposing.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Ten ways to dispose of a dead body if you
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: really need to. That's not a medical question. Let me
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: go to the next medical question. Can you throw away
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: body parts?
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: You have to, you know, if you don't want the
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: trash man to notice some potamon dumpsters like which was
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: possibly done in this case, and then dismember the individual
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: and just small enough parts that they aren't recognizable human
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: and then mix them in with other trash. And another
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: good way is to put them in I think it's
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: like these pool chemicals that can melt the body parts
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: down into kind of a slug.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: You know, Doctor Kendall Crowns, you're actually ante scaring many
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: people that are listening to you right now putting it
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: in pool. Waite a minute, Karen start. I know you've
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: got something to ad hold on. What did you say
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: about pool cleaner, doctor Kendall Crowns.
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: There's a certain chemical they use. I believe it's in
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: pool cleaning or something else. I can't think of it
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: off the top of my head. But it'll actually dissolve
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: the dismembered body parts down relatively and it'll dissolve the
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: bone as well, and it'll just kind of make this
• 36:42
  Speaker 7: kind of ooze. Then you have to dispose of that.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you're on the right side of the law,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns. I really am. But guess what, guys,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: there's more. Take a listen again to lend Biland at
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: nine twenty nine am.
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: What does from Aldeheide do at nine to thirty four one? First,
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: how long does the DNA list at nine to fifty
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: nine am. Can identification be made when passion means? At
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: eleven thirty four AM. Dismendment and the best ways to
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: dispose of a body at eleven forty four.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: How to put blood from wooden.
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: Flu at eleven fifty six On the first moment, all
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: to detect.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Blood at one oh eight?
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: What happens when you put body pots in a moment
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: at one twenty one pm? Is better than full clime
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: scene close away or washing them?
• 37:34
  Speaker 8: Those one the general worst.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, guys, just know that while some of these questions
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  Speaker 1: are so rudimentary, they are cruel and horrible. And three
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  Speaker 1: little boys are left without their mother while this guy
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  Speaker 1: is googling what does for maldehyde do? How long does
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: DNA last? Can an ID be made on partial remains? Dismemberment?
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Best ways to dispose of a body? What happens when
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: you put body parts in ammonia? Should you throw away
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: crime scene clothes or wash them? So to doctor Kendel
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Crown's lightning round, Doctor Crown's how long does DNA last?
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  Speaker 7: You can find DNA ons on surfaces for years.
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  Speaker 1: What does from aldehyde do?
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: From aldehyde is a fixative. Also, that's what you use
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  Speaker 7: to kind of pickle the organs to keep them preserved
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  Speaker 7: for a long periods of time.
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  Speaker 1: What happens when you put body parts totnemonia? Doctor Kendl
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  Speaker 1: Crowns That one.
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  Speaker 8: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: That's a new one to me. As far as I know,
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  Speaker 7: I've stopped.
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  Speaker 1: You're out, No, don't go, I've got more. Oh well,
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  Speaker 1: one more quickie from Lynn blund to listen one can
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  Speaker 1: or three that.
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  Speaker 6: Same day at one o two pm to do some
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  Speaker 6: more Google searches.
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  Speaker 1: What happens to.
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  Speaker 6: Hear when a dead body at one thirteen pm? What
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: is the rate of decomposition of the body found in
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: a plastic bag compared to on a service in the
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: woods at one pm?
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  Speaker 1: In faking soda mask? Or maybe a body smell good?
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Ken baking soda make a body a dead body smell good?
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: These Google searches have led to a bombshell development in
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: the search for Ana Walch Bob were joining Me Boston
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  Speaker 1: twenty five News and indictment explain.
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  Speaker 8: Who was indicted on three counts. There was murder, misleading investigators,
• 39:32
  Speaker 8: and improper disposal of a body. So his case is
• 39:36
  Speaker 8: being moved up from district court to Superior court. Superior
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: Court has the authority if he is when he has
• 39:43
  Speaker 8: tried and he's found guilty on first agree murder, to
• 39:47
  Speaker 8: hold him if he is convicted on first degree murder
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  Speaker 8: for life not for ale, which is the maximum sentence
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: here in Massachusetts. There is no death penalty in Massachusetts. Natty.
• 39:58
  Speaker 8: Can I just say one thing about the internet search
• 40:00
  Speaker 8: and it's one thing that has just absolutely haunted me
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  Speaker 8: when I go back over this timeline and you realize
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: that there was a New Year's Eve party, that there
• 40:10
  Speaker 8: were three people at this party. It was Brian Anna,
• 40:13
  Speaker 8: and they had one guest in the house, and that
• 40:15
  Speaker 8: guest left the house somewhere between twelve thirty and one
• 40:19
  Speaker 8: o'clock in the morning. That first search. How long before
• 40:25
  Speaker 8: a body starts to smell is at four fifty five
• 40:28
  Speaker 8: am on a wall. She was alive at one o'clock
• 40:31
  Speaker 8: in the morning, and at four fifty five am she's gone,
• 40:36
  Speaker 8: and that search is done, and I just think about that,
• 40:39
  Speaker 8: and I think that she's in the house. They also
• 40:41
  Speaker 8: found we haven't talked about this in the district court arraignment.
• 40:46
  Speaker 8: They said that they found blood in the basement and
• 40:49
  Speaker 8: they found I think it was two bloody knives, one
• 40:53
  Speaker 8: broken bloody knife in the basement and a heavy smell
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: of ammonia in the basement of the house. So you know,
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  Speaker 8: I'm picturing in my mind that her body is there
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: in the basement. He's killed her, and he goes and
• 41:05
  Speaker 8: he finds his kid's iPad and he's doing these searches
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: within a couple of hours of his wife being there,
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  Speaker 8: someone that he loved, and this is what he is doing.
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  Speaker 8: I had a story, I broke a story about how
• 41:20
  Speaker 8: he threatened to kill her back in twenty fourteen. And
• 41:23
  Speaker 8: here he is in the first day of twenty twenty three,
• 41:26
  Speaker 8: in the house with her dead body, and this is
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: she isn't even cold, and he is already coming up
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: with this plan on what to do with her remains.
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: You know, the depravity of this case. I've been doing
• 41:38
  Speaker 8: this for forty years, and the depravity of this case to
• 41:41
  Speaker 8: me is really just off the charts.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: The three children, the three little boys, now no mom
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: and potentially no dad at home either. Not that it matters,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: motive never has to be proven in court, but mom,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: why why did he do this?
• 42:00
  Speaker 8: There's another There's another detail here too, And from talking
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: to investigators, The New York Post had this, this picture
• 42:07
  Speaker 8: you all may have seen, and I talked to an
• 42:10
  Speaker 8: investigator about this. There was a champagne, a box of
• 42:15
  Speaker 8: champagne from the party that the New York Post got
• 42:18
  Speaker 8: a picture of. That was that was on the dining
• 42:20
  Speaker 8: room table. I went knocked on the door. When before
• 42:24
  Speaker 8: all this blew out, before everything happened, I was trying
• 42:27
  Speaker 8: to talk to Brian. I didn't you know when she
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: was missing, and we didn't know what we were getting
• 42:30
  Speaker 8: ourselves into, really really early on, and I could see
• 42:34
  Speaker 8: inside and the Christmas tree was still set up and
• 42:36
  Speaker 8: it was still lit. You could see inside. I didn't
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: see what I'm about to describe to you because the
• 42:41
  Speaker 8: police hadn't done their search yet. So they found a
• 42:47
  Speaker 8: bottle of champagne and that was still in its box,
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: and the New York Post got a picture of this,
• 42:53
  Speaker 8: and on the side of the box on a Walsh
• 42:56
  Speaker 8: had written a note to Brian on New Year's Eve
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  Speaker 8: that said, to Brian, we made it through twenty twenty two.
• 43:04
  Speaker 8: It was a tough year, but twenty twenty three is
• 43:07
  Speaker 8: going to be a great year. I love you, Anna,
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: and it had hearts written on it. And the investigator
• 43:16
  Speaker 8: that I spoke to said they believed that that was her.
• 43:19
  Speaker 8: Those are her last words to the world. And when
• 43:23
  Speaker 8: I look at there's another Internet search here from December
• 43:27
  Speaker 8: twenty seventh. They did not describe where the Internet search
• 43:32
  Speaker 8: was found, so they didn't say if it was on
• 43:34
  Speaker 8: the kids iPad, or it was on a phone or
• 43:36
  Speaker 8: a computer, but all it said was the best state
• 43:40
  Speaker 8: for a divorce for a man. So that's from December
• 43:43
  Speaker 8: twenty seventh, when Honor's still alive, before the New Year's
• 43:46
  Speaker 8: Eve party. And it makes me wonder if Anna, if this,
• 43:51
  Speaker 8: whatever happened, whatever happened New Year's Eve, if Anna never
• 43:55
  Speaker 8: saw this coming, just came out of the blue. I
• 43:58
  Speaker 8: think because the story that I broke about the threat
• 44:02
  Speaker 8: that she complained back in twenty fourteen, before they were engaged,
• 44:07
  Speaker 8: they were just dating. She complained to DC police that
• 44:11
  Speaker 8: he threatened to kill her in twenty fourteen, I think,
• 44:17
  Speaker 8: and I know investigators think that this is a domestic
• 44:20
  Speaker 8: violence case and there's an escalation that started. Then in
• 44:24
  Speaker 8: twenty eighteen, there's a selfie picture of her where she's
• 44:29
  Speaker 8: pointing at a bruise on her face and she said
• 44:31
  Speaker 8: that she walked, she fell at work or something. It's
• 44:35
  Speaker 8: on one of her Instagram accounts, and I think there
• 44:38
  Speaker 8: was an escalation of domestic violence. I don't think the
• 44:40
  Speaker 8: police were ever called, but something happened was going on
• 44:43
  Speaker 8: behind the scenes, and this is going to be one
• 44:45
  Speaker 8: of the things that I'm going to be watching for
• 44:48
  Speaker 8: to try to understand what happened here and how this exploded,
• 44:52
  Speaker 8: because you don't, you don't get to this kind of
• 44:57
  Speaker 8: and this hatred to I can understand a moment of
• 45:02
  Speaker 8: passion and murder, of a moment of anger, but this
• 45:07
  Speaker 8: dismemberment and this depravity that we see here, and these
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: messages that are caught on the iPad, and then what
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: we've been talking about with the disposal of the body,
• 45:18
  Speaker 8: it's almost too much.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: The jury brings down the hammer, finding Brian Walsh guilty
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: in the murder and dismemberment of his wife, thirty nine
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: year old Anna Walsh, the mother of their three little boys.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: He gets life without parole. Brian Walsh wrought in hell.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye riand