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Profar’s PED appeal resolution, Gerrit Cole’s ST appearance, WBC switching to midseason tourney? · Foul Territory

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: Breaking news here on FT, it's not surprising news. This
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: stuff never gets overturned, Jerkson Profar will in fact miss
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: the entire twenty twenty six season. Jeff Passen reporting about
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: this during the show, he said, after profiles appeal of
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: a positive ped test was resolved, he will serve a
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty two game suspension for testing positive
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: a second time. He will be un ineligible for postseason play.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: No surprise here, this stuff almost never works, he said. Resolved.
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll get more, probably not that much more,
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: but I mean, isn't it denied? Resolved?
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: Hey, he did the appeal, he got caught.
• 0:46
  Speaker 3: He did it again, he got caught. What else do
• 0:49
  Speaker 3: we need to say? He did it cool?
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: Like not cool?
• 0:54
  Speaker 4: I do.
• 0:54
  Speaker 3: I don't even understand why we're he's out. We already
• 0:57
  Speaker 3: knew he was going to be suspended for the year
• 0:59
  Speaker 3: his appeal failed. Yes, okay, you did it, you got caught.
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: I think the stuff you's getting caught for, krat Sorry,
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: are things that are tough to dispute. You know, there
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: are some cases you've brought them up in the past
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: where there is some gray line, there's some questionable issues
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to go down that road again, but
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: you can just google someone like Chris Colobello. This is
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: just Hey, this dude was you know what, was it
• 1:25
  Speaker 1: either the first time or the second time using the
• 1:28
  Speaker 1: the stuff that you mask that Manny Ramirez was using.
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: There's really no reason why you'd be taking that in
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: any other world in life. So I'm sure they looked
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: there like, oh, wait, you tested positive for this and
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: then whatever the other one was called this like testosterone
• 1:43
  Speaker 1: or something. They're like, yeah, there's one reason for that.
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: You're not going to pull like a oh.
• 1:47
  Speaker 5: Oops, oops, I took some I took some estrogen to
• 1:52
  Speaker 5: just take some estrogen. No, it's a masking agent for
• 1:55
  Speaker 5: what you were taking, like you got it, got away
• 1:58
  Speaker 5: with it. To me, obviously, this is accusatory of me.
• 2:02
  Speaker 5: But he got the contract and he's gonna get about
• 2:06
  Speaker 5: half of that contract because essentially he missed half a
• 2:09
  Speaker 5: year last year, full year this year. So he got
• 2:11
  Speaker 5: paid half a year last year and he'll get paid
• 2:14
  Speaker 5: one more year next year. You know, it's interesting to
• 2:18
  Speaker 5: see that the process of missing one hundred and sixty
• 2:21
  Speaker 5: two games, or actually the process of missing eighty games
• 2:25
  Speaker 5: and the fear of missing one hundred and sixty two
• 2:28
  Speaker 5: games wasn't enough.
• 2:30
  Speaker 4: It wasn't enough, And that is that.
• 2:32
  Speaker 5: Is interesting to me, how like people that make decisions
• 2:36
  Speaker 5: like that think differently than me. Like I remember when
• 2:39
  Speaker 5: it was first in the minor leagues and it was
• 2:42
  Speaker 5: fifteen games, and I was like, oh my gosh, what
• 2:45
  Speaker 5: if somebody misses fifteen games? Now I look like an
• 2:48
  Speaker 5: idiot for thinking that. But this dude was like, no way,
• 2:52
  Speaker 5: they'll catch me again.
• 2:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ken just cheated about this too. They did catch
• 3:00
  Speaker 1: him again. Ken just tweeted about this too and said
• 3:04
  Speaker 1: his appeal did not result in a reduction of his penalty.
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: Whoever sending out.
• 3:11
  Speaker 3: The the rules, dude, you cheated, You got caught your
• 3:13
  Speaker 3: second time.
• 3:14
  Speaker 2: It's the rules of the rules.
• 3:16
  Speaker 3: It's it's it's what's the appeal for trying to get
• 3:19
  Speaker 3: a cut to one hundred games?
• 3:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, they don't really do that.
• 3:23
  Speaker 2: The rules are the rules.
• 3:24
  Speaker 3: And but by the way, he's still getting like twenty
• 3:26
  Speaker 3: something million dollars out of this contract. I mean it's
• 3:31
  Speaker 3: like twenty he's still getting over twenty million dollars out
• 3:33
  Speaker 3: of this contract.
• 3:34
  Speaker 2: It's not like he lost all the money.
• 3:36
  Speaker 3: People are like, oh, you know, he cost Yeah, he
• 3:38
  Speaker 3: costs himself a lot of it, but he's still getting
• 3:40
  Speaker 3: over twenty something million and he's still getting a lot
• 3:43
  Speaker 3: of money.
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be interesting though.
• 3:47
  Speaker 3: What's gonna be an interesting next year though, is how
• 3:49
  Speaker 3: did the Brave's welcome him back at that point.
• 3:52
  Speaker 4: I don't it's a good question they do. Really.
• 3:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think that if you're going to do that,
• 3:59
  Speaker 1: you should just do that now now. If you're not
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: going like, sit down right now and sit down with
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: some of the big boys there. We were just in
• 4:05
  Speaker 1: Brave camp the other day and be like, hey, guys,
• 4:07
  Speaker 1: how will this be received? Like, let's just talk about
• 4:10
  Speaker 1: this right now.
• 4:11
  Speaker 2: I don't think they can Scott.
• 4:13
  Speaker 3: I don't think they can right now because he has
• 4:15
  Speaker 3: to he has to serve a suspension, right, So they
• 4:17
  Speaker 3: have to keep him on the on the whatever list
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  Speaker 3: for this year and then in the end of the
• 4:22
  Speaker 3: year they can do They can't.
• 4:23
  Speaker 2: They can't do it now.
• 4:24
  Speaker 3: Because they do it now, then one sixty two never
• 4:27
  Speaker 3: gets played out as part of a whatever, right. So
• 4:30
  Speaker 3: I think they have to keep I don't know that
• 4:32
  Speaker 3: for a fact, but I think they have to keep
• 4:33
  Speaker 3: him on the restricted list for the year even I mean,
• 4:36
  Speaker 3: he doesn't count against anything. He doesn't get paid, he
• 4:38
  Speaker 3: doesn't count as a roster spot, so it doesn't really matter.
• 4:41
  Speaker 4: But that would be even better age.
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  Speaker 5: I think if they cut him, if they cut him
• 4:47
  Speaker 5: now and he still has because he doesn't that technically
• 4:50
  Speaker 5: got cut. He doesn't have to serve his one sixty
• 4:53
  Speaker 5: two until he gets signed with another team, that would
• 4:56
  Speaker 5: be even better. But no, because then the Braves, if
• 4:59
  Speaker 5: they cut him today, the Braves would technically have to
• 5:02
  Speaker 5: pay him because he's not under contract under a team,
• 5:05
  Speaker 5: so he wouldn't.
• 5:06
  Speaker 4: Have to serve as one sixty two.
• 5:07
  Speaker 5: It is how I heard it, but I would love that,
• 5:10
  Speaker 5: like really, just grind it in there. Just it irritates
• 5:14
  Speaker 5: players when this happens, and then when it happens twice,
• 5:19
  Speaker 5: it really irritates I'm not even to say players, it
• 5:20
  Speaker 5: irritates me.
• 5:21
  Speaker 4: So there.
• 5:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he signed his deal for forty two million dollars.
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: And if he plays next year, if we have a
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: full season of games, no lockout, if we have a
• 5:36
  Speaker 1: clean run because he's gonna get tested every five seconds,
• 5:40
  Speaker 1: then he would make twenty one. So they'd save about
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: half and it's even a little more than half because
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: the Braves are in luxury tax lands this year, so
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: they end up saving in extra few million bucks this
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: season on the contract because the luxury tax would have
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: had them paying about twenty percent more on the deal
• 5:58
  Speaker 1: for the season, so overall more.
• 6:02
  Speaker 5: I'll be honest, I don't know that he gets tested
• 6:04
  Speaker 5: more just because he's a two time offender.
• 6:09
  Speaker 4: I think you do, okay, because it's supposed to.
• 6:12
  Speaker 5: Be a random test, and unless they have an issue
• 6:16
  Speaker 5: with I know, I know, with like other recreational drugs,
• 6:21
  Speaker 5: then you then it's not as random. But supposedly it's
• 6:24
  Speaker 5: supposed to be a random test, but I do not
• 6:26
  Speaker 5: know that for sure.
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: No, it is random, but I think what happens is
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: you get tested more frequently if you've tested positive in
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: the past. So don't worry. I've got my I know
• 6:37
  Speaker 1: this assistant assistant working on the case.
• 6:42
  Speaker 4: I know this.
• 6:43
  Speaker 3: The drug tester peoples have been at every camp I've
• 6:46
  Speaker 3: been at almost every day, so they're here every day, Yeah, somebody,
• 6:50
  Speaker 3: they're always here. Every every clubhouse I go to, there
• 6:53
  Speaker 3: is the CDT guy in there, two of them or
• 6:56
  Speaker 3: three of them waiting for people. So they are doing
• 6:59
  Speaker 3: the test. Definitely say that.
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: So in the Joint Drug Agreement with the League and
• 7:05
  Speaker 1: the players, it says a player test positive is subject
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: to mandatory follow up testing after that result. The Independent
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: Program Administrator sets the schedule, and those follow up tests
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: are in addition to the league's normal testing pool. So
• 7:18
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to see the specifics. But yeah, there definitely
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: is a little more that gets done once you are
• 7:24
  Speaker 1: on the criminal list.
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: Also, yeah, I'm just gonna ask this.
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  Speaker 3: And I played with Profar, and I like Profar When
• 7:31
  Speaker 3: I played with him, he was a young kid, he
• 7:32
  Speaker 3: had just come up. He was the number one prospect
• 7:34
  Speaker 3: and smile and happy all that. I really did like
• 7:37
  Speaker 3: Profar when I played for him. But what kind of
• 7:39
  Speaker 3: person are you when you've already been caught once that
• 7:42
  Speaker 3: you do it again? Are you just an egomaniac and
• 7:44
  Speaker 3: you just say I have to do this, Like that's
• 7:47
  Speaker 3: my question is you know Kratz said, oh, got tested
• 7:52
  Speaker 3: once and it hurts his feelings as a player, But
• 7:54
  Speaker 3: you already got you already got popped once. So you
• 7:57
  Speaker 3: just believe that you're bigger than the testing and you
• 8:00
  Speaker 3: can beat the testing, and you just firmly believe that
• 8:02
  Speaker 3: whatever you're taking won't get fought. That tells me that
• 8:05
  Speaker 3: there's something going on, maybe in his brain that just
• 8:08
  Speaker 3: thinks he's above the testing because he got again.
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  Speaker 1: bit of a different spin because I've gone down this
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: rabbit hole before with some people, and what I've been
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: told is that it takes away your superpower. You become
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: so reliant on it. It would be like somebody who
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: goes to the gym every day and then they just
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: stop cold turkey and they don't go to the gym anymore,
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: and your body starts to feel like crap. Right, So
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: take that and enhance that story, put that story on
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: steroids PDEs, and then there you go. You took away
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: someone superpower from them cold turkey. It's difficult. So what
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: do you try to do? You try to come up
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: with other ways to mask that superpower and get away
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: with it. That is my guess. That's not how it
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: works for everyone. I'm sure there's people on there that
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: are just like, I'll screw it. Whoever's given me this,
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: now give me something else that I should be good with.
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: But generally, i've heard it is difficult for people that
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: are juicing to get off of the juicing. I've heard
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: that with many other former players who used to do
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: that because I'd ask the same question age I remember,
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: you'd be around someone who knows a player and you'd
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: be like, why why is that player still doing that,
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: especially if they got caught, and you're like, hey, some
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: guys can't get off of it, and some do, and
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: then they still are able to mask it. But in
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: this case, credit to the Joint Drug Agreement. That's what
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: it's here for. It is here to get rid of
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: or at least try to curb the cheating, and then
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: it is also here to set an example. Right, Hey,
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: we don't want this in our sport. And sometimes people
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: joke like, oh, why don't we just have everybody do
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: whatever they want? Okay, you're gonna have every freaking twelve
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: year old in the country. Then trying to do that
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: to make the league like that, that's not a thing.
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: That's not going to be a thing. You have to
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: set a line here. And luckily we don't have a
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: ton of these stories pop up, maybe what three to
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: five a year that pop up. We've had him, We've
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: had Johann Rojas. As you're in a fields camp, Kepler
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: from the names, there's a bunch of minor league guys
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: that'll get busted but from the from big league regulars,
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: you're looking at probably a maximum of five over the
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: course of a year, and often it's more along the
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: lines of two or three. I look at that as
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: a success. Some people might say, well, there's plenty of
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: others doing things maybe. I mean, the science is often
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: a step ahead. But I do think that we've made
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: significant strides here. And you guys talk about it all
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: the time that testers are everywhere. They spend millions and
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: millions of dollars of trying to keep the sport as
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: clean as possible, and it's come a long way.
• 11:40
  Speaker 4: I agree it has.
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: It's much better than what it was. Yeah, much better
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: than what it was. I'll say.
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: Some people are always going to try to break the rules, though,
• 11:49
  Speaker 3: that's all because there's too much money involved.
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: There's too much money involved.
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: Correct, It's just with this guy he had already signed.
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: Some people are like, hey, you signed your deal, okay,
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: then what you wanted him to rub them and then
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: be a shell of himself. I don't know. You don't
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: know the exacts that are going on behind the scenes.
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: The only we won't speculate there. The one thing I
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: can do is say the reason we're bringing it up again,
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: is this particular case was appealed. Many players don't appeal.
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: Many of them say, eh, we.
• 12:22
  Speaker 4: Hear about, just don't hear about.
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: We don't hear about the appeal. They almost all appeal.
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: They just don't hear about. This one got out for
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: some reason.
• 12:29
  Speaker 5: Well, they said, Ken said, Ken said, with the one
• 12:31
  Speaker 5: hundred and six, but his second offense automatically it's released
• 12:36
  Speaker 5: because I forget who wrote the article, but we had
• 12:39
  Speaker 5: Ken on the day talking about the article. Wasn't it
• 12:42
  Speaker 5: wasn't one hundred percent Ken's article. But basically this is
• 12:47
  Speaker 5: a different type because we haven't had many one sixty two's,
• 12:50
  Speaker 5: and so guys go through the appeal process on the
• 12:53
  Speaker 5: eighty game suspension, they just do it behind closed doors
• 12:58
  Speaker 5: unless somebody it out in the player's camp because the
• 13:02
  Speaker 5: teams don't know players, association doesn't know. It's the it's
• 13:06
  Speaker 5: the testing major League Baseball and the player.
• 13:11
  Speaker 4: That's that's it, or maybe the agency.
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: One other reason. Going back to your other point earlier
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: about cutting him, and I'll correct myself on this one too.
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: You can try and make a decision as a team,
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: but the organization is not going to cut him. Because
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: there's a chance that he gets popped again. It's happened twice.
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: If he gets popped again, then he's banned from the
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: game and the entire contract is toast after that. Right,
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: there's one year left of the contract, so it's just
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: a formality. It's not like he's going to be around
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: the team. He's not playing for the entire season. Last year,
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: it's always kind of weird. I think that the rules
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: are in a good place. A lot of people will
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, one test and you should be gone, okay,
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: and you should avoid every contract and all that. You're
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: going to get some CSI situations going where it gets
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: real dicey and somebody could try and doctors something that
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: someone's eating or whatever. In this case, we've come a
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: long way. Kratz was mentioning fifteen games. Now it's half
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: a season. Then when you come back, you're not eligible
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: for the playoffs. So it's super awkward, right, so it's
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: look at Profar, It's hey, I missed half the year,
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: then I came back. The Braves weren't a playoff team,
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: but if they were, it had been weird. So they're like,
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: I'm going to give this guy playing time, he's going
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: to try to help me get to the playoffs. Then
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: he's going to sit for the postseason. That's a pretty
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: solid first punishment, second punishment, he's not playing a full
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: season of baseball, and then third punishment, you're out of
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: the game. I feel like we're in a pretty good spot.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: People always push, they want more. I feel like that's
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: a pretty strong penalty.
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: A great it is.
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: It's not gonna be nothing you do is going to
• 14:45
  Speaker 5: be one hundred percent because of the fact that there's
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: a lot of money out there to be had. But
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: also they're not catching one hundred percent of the guys
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: that are doing it right now because, like Scott said,
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: the science is ahead of the testing.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: There are many questions in the chat, like do we
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: know if it was from two different cases? Yeah, because
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: he failed the test about a year apart. It was
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: almost exactly a year apart when those two failed tests occurred,
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: and first time was to half a season. So anyway,
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: no profar official because when it first came out, we
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: were like, he's appealing, and I think they're I mean,
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember, we'll have to do some homework
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: at some point. If there was an appeal that actually worked,
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: but it's usually kind of auto. You got popped league
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: and players are on same page. You know, players want
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: this too. They don't want to be playing against dudes
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: that are juicing their brains out. They want an even
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: playing fields. We went through that as a game.
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: I know there's appeal. I know there is an appeal,
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: and I'm not going to say who because it was
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: done behind closed doors, it was done before it was out.
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: The appeal process went through. He sent it in what
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: he was taking and it was listed as a product
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: that should not have tested positive, and they found it
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: in that product and he was not.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: He was not suspended. So there are appeals.
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: We just don't hear about him. We do not hear
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: about him because they do not come out like.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: This well, and in fairness to the player, if they're
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: involved in a situation like that, Let's say they have
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: a protein powder that's NSF certified that everyone's taking, but
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: then they test it and they're like, Okay, the company
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: screwed up. Don't you think that player deserves to get
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: a fair case and also not have it be public
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: because the public is so judgmental. They're still going to
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: be like oh I think he did something.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's all supposed to be secret. It was all
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: supposed to be secret, and I don't know. I don't
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: know if any has anybody won their appeal crowds that
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: you know of, I don't know.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I was saying.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: He said, Yeah, there was a guy.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, who's.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Not going to name because it's a private case.
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: Right, it's scary for that player in that moment you
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: get that call. Oh my gosh, I couldn't imagine that
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: call because I also saw my friend go through it.
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: We mentioned Chris Colabella before he went through it, and
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: him along with a couple other guys. It's a longer
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: story than we even have a show for that tested
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: positive for things that have now recently said nah, you know,
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: that's technically not what we're testing for.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: So it's it's hard no matter what.
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: It's hard to see people go through that because it
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: is like your your reputation, your entire career is put
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: is questioned, and people are always going to be They're
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: going to take the easy narrative and you never really
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: have a chance to explain yourself. So yeah, I'm glad
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: that that it happens. Behind closed doors.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Hey we're back. Not great news to start the day.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: This broke just before we got going with the show.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: I mean it might not turn into something of a
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: long term issue during the season, but at least to
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: start the year, the Blue Jays won't have Trey Savage
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: on the opening day roster a right shoulder impingement krats. Now,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: from a Blue Jay standpoint, you want to make sure
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: you keep your young asset in a good spot. They
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: do have some pitching depth. They're one of those teams
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: where we're like, okay, another guy steps in, we should
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: be fine for now to hold things up. Could this
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you want them to recover, but could
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: this be a blessing in disguise? This guy pitched deep
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: in October. They were using them a lot. I don't
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: want to say. I'm just saying from an inning standpoint,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: if you just pitched the full season and then went
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: deep into October again, so if you're going to have
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: an issue, hopefully get out of the way again. I'm
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: trying to glass half.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: Full this Yeah for sure.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: I mean, this happens to the Dodgers and we're like,
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: oh man, I'm sure they're just holding them back for
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: the playoffs. I'm sure they're just doing, you know, making
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: sure we don't keep we keep our innings down. I
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: was trying to look up how many innings he actually
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: threw last year, and it was a crazy amount of innings.
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: But he did just come off of the year before
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: college throwing ninety three, so he bumped up in innings
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: and you know, I wouldn't say he was going to
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: take an entire workload. But to me, we heard this yesterday.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: We heard from I forget who it was at camp,
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: like Shane Bieber I think, said like he wasn't quite
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: bouncing back right at the start. But this is a
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: team that went out and signed Max Schurz, I think
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: on January thirtieth, So maybe there was a little bit
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: of that, like coming into this knowing you just can't
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: quite take it as quickly.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: I think he'll be fine, but you never want to
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: see a young pitcher getting hurt.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Charge about Yeah, we're charging the mound. It's presented by
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Fox One. Go get the app for baseball season, which
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: is around the corner, and you already saw all those
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: games on the Fox one app for the WBC. So
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: here's where we start. Is the WBC going to move
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: next time around? Manford's already talking about this. The Baseball
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Commission is speaking highly of how much of a success
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: and how big it has become. I completely agree, But
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: is it the yes big money too? As Kratz was
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: making a little dollar sign. But AJ, do you think
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: it's the right move for the league to seriously be
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: considering this as a mid season tournament. Remember we talked
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: months ago about how MLB gets enamored with NBA because
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: NBA has made many moves that have been wise and
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: MLB has taken the other direction. Now I feel like
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: they try and catch up. No, no, no, no, I want
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: to rephrase XAJ was looking at me weird. NBA has
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: made some wise marketing moves in the past. What they
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: do with their regular season and now the tanking and
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: all of that is crap. I don't like the tournament.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: The tournament has made them money on the short term.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: On the long term, I think it again cheapens the product.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: So MLB looking at the NBA and saying, hey, let's
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: copy them, just because they're better with letting creators and
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: influencers use video and how they promote their players like
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: to me, that is a different bucket that the NBA
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: does significantly better than MLB. But MLB having some tradition
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: and kind of a classic season I think is important.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: So if we move the WBC to mid season and
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden we have a tournament taking over
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: for like ten days, do you think that's a good idea?
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: And do you really think that many more US pitchers
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: are going to raise their hand in mid July and
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: be like, yeah, sure, I'll pitch my brains out in
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: mid July when I feel like I need a weak break.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: No, I don't. I think it's a terrible idea.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Honestly.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: I think for the Olympics, sure, if you want to
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: have a short tournament, But there's so many things to
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: think about with this and what the implications could be. Well,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: I'll use Tarret schoobl as an example, just because he's
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: kind of been the hob button topic of him pitching.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Him being a free agent, you think he's more or
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: less likely in July to pitch in a ten game
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: tournament when he's even closer it's a free agency than
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: he is at the beginning of the season. There's no
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: way I can't see Freddy Paruta, who didn't pitch because
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: he said he was a free agent at the end
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: of the year and he wants to get ready with
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: a new team. He gets to July and he's gonna
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: go throw two of his starts and risk that for
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: not for his team that he pays his salary. It's
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: coolinal listen, it's unbelievable as an unbelievable tournament. But I
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: love what Max Scherzer said when he said move it
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: back to now do it the last two weeks of
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: spring training, because my other problem I have you do
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: it during the regular season is what do you do
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: with all the players that aren't on a team, that
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: aren't playing in this tournament. Do you stop just say hey, guys,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: you get two weeks off, congratulations. It also kills the
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: momentum for the All Star Game, which is a big
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: deal in MLB as we all know. And then if okay,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: let's say all the stars going play in the WBC
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: and then the regular season continues, say they just say,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: all right, well the stars are going, We're gonna keep
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: playing the regular season. Do you want pennant races decided
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: by guys that aren't your stars on your team? Do
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: you want that to be how you determine who gets
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: to win a World Series, I would think not. And
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: then also there's there's way more questions with it during
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: the season. I get the Olympics six teams, fine, boom
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: boom boom, knock it out real quick. But you can't
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: do a two week or was this two weeks? But
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: I'm over two week tournament. You just can't do it
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: in the middle of the season, plus travel, plus all
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: that stuff. It doesn't it's not feasible.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: If you can do a four or five day tournament, yes,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: but a fourteen day tournament, seven day, seventeen day tournament,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: it's not realistic.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I think you'll get more players position players dropping out
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: if you do a mid season tournament too. Right right now,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: most of them are in pretty good shape to be like, okay, yeah,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I'm in for this. The reliever rules will be even crazier,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: So I'm with you. The one other point I do
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: want to make, because I liked what Max said on
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: the show yesterday AJA in terms of having guys more
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: ramped up. The reason they won't do it is krats,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: can you give me the dollar signs again? Thank you?
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: March Madness starts today, so they conveniently had this thing
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: go right up until that starts, and you can try
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: and work around the schedule, but there's a lot of games,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: so you would go up against that, and you want
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: to dominate the headlines. I'm kind of like, hey, I
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: think we've got in a good Spotcrats. Sometimes you don't
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: have to mess with a good thing. Just leave it
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the way it was, and then you get a week
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: ish until the actual season starts. Guys go get acclimated
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: with their team and then and then you run. So
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: from a business standpoint, I just don't see them matching
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: up against a tournament that for three weeks really dominates headlines.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't want to go up against March Madness.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: I don't want to put the other Let's see how
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: many how many people participated. I think they said there
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: was two hundred big leaguers participated in the WBC all
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: throughout all the teams. I don't want to put the
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: other twenty five times seven seven hundred other big leaguers
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: at any risk of taking two weeks off or even
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: they said they could cut it down to ten days
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: because the wouldn't need the exhibition games blah blah blah.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: And for Manford to say this, he obviously didn't travel
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: with Team Japan showy Tani Yakamoto Mori a Kami Yamamoto
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: over to Japan like they had to show Hayes essentially
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: missed the entire spring training. He's essentially played in one game,
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: two games, flew over to Japan, and they've been over
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: in Japan. Like it's a tougher schedule than just oh,
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: you just got to go to Houston, or Bryce Harper
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: and Kyle Schwarber and Brad Keller are all driving back
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: from Miami.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: No, they're no, you can't have in the middle of
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: the season.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: You're putting more players at risk of injuries, and I
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: think you'll get the same, if not less players that
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: would play in that.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the part that I was confused about. They're like, oh, yeah,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: we'll get more participation mid season. Really you sure about that?
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Be injured?
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Also, don't forget, don't forget more guys will be injured
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: already just from the regular season going on. Most guys
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: come into spring training feeling pretty good, right most and
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: then guys get hurt during the season. So you're also
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: gonna have guys that are injured during the season and
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: don't count. There's too many logistical nightmare. Yeah, like Krats said,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: if you got a flight to Japan and play those
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: whole play games, really you're gonna have showy flight to
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Japan for a week in the middle of the season.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: He's not gonna want to do that, I'm sorry.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: Or banged up dudes like, ah, yeah, you know I've
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: been playing. We just talked about during during the final game,
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: talked about William Contrere's he had a broken middle finger
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: that he was playing with for most of the season.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: Oh hey, we'll let you go play into WBC. I
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: know you've got a broken middle finger. You've been playing
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: for us. We'll definitely let you go and play more,
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: play more games.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: No chance.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: Everybody plays through Day one and first game of the playoffs.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: So the only time that you you feel one hundred
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: in a regular season.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then the last point here was about the
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: quality of baseball. Okay, like, guys are in a rhythm
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and all of that, But did anyone have a problem
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: with the quality of baseball?
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Like, watch the ball is pretty damn good. Game good.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, it wasn't the defense. There wasn't anything like that.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: It was well played. Games all were almost close. They
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: were all almost close. There wasn't a ton of blowouts.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Even some of the games we thought would be blowouts weren't.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: I mean it was a lot of close games, a
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: lot of good games.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: No quality of baseball. That's just an excuse they want
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: to move.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: It, right, there's some reasoning there. I only know a
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: smidge of it. Of course, they think, you know, they
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: can dominate the stage even more in the summer. But
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: like you already do you already have the games going on?
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: This is you now figured out a way every few
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: years to dominate ratings and headlines in March. But nothing's
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: happening spring training.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing's happening. Nothing's happening now. They like you said,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: March madness is starting this week. WBC's over. It's the
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: dog days of tanking in the NBA, right, there's no
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: NFL Hockey's in the dog days of trying to just
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: get them to the postseason. There was nothing happening. In honesty,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: spring training is what it is. Yes, people tune in,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: but it's not a regular season baseball game. That's why
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: the viewership was off the charts. That's why everybody was
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: talking about WBC. People that don't even know about baseball
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: are coming up to be talking about Man, I had
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: to watch that USA game. It was unbelievable, So why
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: do we want to put it again? It takes away
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: from the All Star Game too, because guys aren't gonna
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: want to go play in the All Star Game then
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: go play in the WBC.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: No, like, no stop.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: I mean, maybe do you think there's something with you know,
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: they have these contracts, with all these spring training site
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: cities and everything. Do you think they're complaining. Do you
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: feel like they like, is there something else? Because really,
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: the only way you make a change after two incredibly
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: successful especially overseas, WBCs like these WBC's have been so
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: successful that you're like thinking about making a change, it
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: has to be something on the money side. Like you're
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: not bettering the health for players, You're not doing anything
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: like that.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: So to me, on the money side, why would they
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: be thinking about that.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: It's a great question and maybe someone else will have
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: an answer for us, but usually you're just looking at
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: ratings and the packages that they can sell. I don't also,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, they were awesome all of that stuff was great.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you can look again at the other leagues and go, oh,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: look what the NBA and the NHL did where they're
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: changing how.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: They do it.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: NBA do, what did the NBA do? What has NBA done?
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: No one watches the ratings are down, no one's watching
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: the All Star Game.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: And nobody cares about that year.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Somebody cares about the tournament. Nobody cares about the tournament.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: That tournament they play, really, I mean, they have playing
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: games for the playoffs. That teams are like, hey, we
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: made the playoffs and they're out in one game, right,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: I mean after after twenty of the thirty teams make
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: the playoffs. So I mean all that, it's teams in
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: the NBA either tank or try, and there's no in between.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: It's tank or try. And it's a salary cap league
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: that everyone says fixing parody.
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: Do like I do like the fact that they're talking
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: about it too many times in baseball they're like, Nope,
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: there's no way we're visiting that. Oh wait, that could
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: have been a good idea. We're two years too late.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: So I like that they're talking about it, but I
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: just don't I don't see it just make sure you
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: talk to the players like they're the ones that are
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: playing in the games.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing, you know what this is. It's bargaining.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: It's a bargaining year. Guess what has to be collectively
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: bargained the World Baseball Classic. Everything they say, hey, so
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: if they want to move it or whatever, of course,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: it's just another chip on the table. If you rob
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: anver can use and say hey, we'll take this away,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: or we'll do this, or we'll do that.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's all bargaining.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: It's very frustrating. Yeah, I'm all for evolving and coming
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: up with new ideas, but this was one where I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: it just happened. Just leave it. It worked out perfectly,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: leave it alone. So yeah, maybe you guys are right everything.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: A lot of times these are lawyers, the leagues run
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: by lawyers, and so often they're just saying things to
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: be calculated. Money. Bob Nightingale put out the money. Venezuela
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: gets a two and a half million dollar bonus and
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: a total payout of six point seventy five million dollars
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: for the tournament. He said half of the money goes
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: to each country's perspective Baseball Federation. The rest gets split
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: among the players and the staff, so it's kind of
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: like playoff shares. And then USA was already guaranteed four
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: point two five million dollars and they will not get
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: any additional money they didn't win, of course, So that's
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: what it looks like, he said, with the players and
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: staff members from the winning team splitting a total of
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: about three three five million. Talking about Venezuela, it will
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: provide each player about one hundred and twelve and a
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: half thousand dollars, and then the coaches and staff members
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: will be paid out of the federation's pool, so each
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: player getting about one hundred grand for the tournament. For
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: the young guys, hey, actually there's some guys on the
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: roster that aren't even big leaguers yet. That's a pretty
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: healthy check.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Nice, So checking spring training.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: I'm bad for two weeks work if you can get it,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: or some of them not even two weeks, some of
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: them four what four games?
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a nice little cut. I'm sorry. That's nice, I.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: Agree, especially better than the envelope that you used to get.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: I don't think they get envelopes anymore. I think it's
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: direct deposit, which is really really boring. Used to get
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: an envelope every week, every Monday or Tuesday whenever you
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: started camp, and it would have anywhere from like nine
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: to fifty to eleven hundred dollars in it, and it's
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: just nice cash to have hanging around.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Well, one hundred and one hundred and.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: Twelve thousand dollars is nice cash to be have hanging
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: around too.
• 32:44
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• 33:08
  Speaker 1: go to an NFL writer. His name's Roto Pat so
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: he probably knows Paul D. Podesta from the Football Days, right,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: And he said, it's absolutely stunning. It took this long
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: for someone to embrace this mindset, but it's absolutely correct.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: The guy's name is Patrick Dherty and he posted a
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Paul D. Podesta note in an article. It says Deepodesta
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: wants the Rockies to view playing baseball at eight feet
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: above sea level as an advantage, not a hindrance. Everything
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: else should flow off that. He said, we need to
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: embrace this. This is who we are. I'm sure that
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: other teams looked at things that way, but still, Kratz.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: There's a difference between saying we're going to take this
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: and use it as an advantage, but then having it
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: be a disadvantage and acting like it's an advantage.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think that part is rocket science or brain science.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: It's very difficult to play your games in college for
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: an entire season. I remember dan o Dad, who's a
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: buddy of mine. They used to do all kinds of
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: tests and studies and things, and at the end of
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: the day they were like, stuff.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: That's trash.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: I'll be honest, that's trash. It's a trash narrative. If
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: you're that organization, like, you can't. I want you to
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: be honest to me with to me as a player,
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: but you also have to create an organizational philosophy. Have
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: I ever been there for an entire year, ten years, whatever, No,
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: But I love what Dipodesta said. I love the fact
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: that a guy who's now taking over the entire organization.
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: He's not going in the locker room one day and
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: being like, guys, you gotta change your narrative. You can't
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: do that. You have to take that narrative and completely
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: flush it out of the entire system. And the issue
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: with the Rockies is they've had the exact same guys
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: saying the exact same things, just in different in different
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: spot or different name tags on their desk. So yes,
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: I love that he says this. Are there some difficulties, Yes,
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: but let's say Recovery's the one I always hear. Oh,
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: pitchers don't recover too well, So what are we doing
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: about it? Don't stop like, oh, you know, you just
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: don't recover quite as well. Okay, Well, anybody injured just
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: has to leave Colorado and they have to go to
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: Arizona to heal up because it increases their healing strength
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: for a few days.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: Then that's what you have to do.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: But I love it if they can actually change this
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: narrative and take it as an advantage. Because they don't,
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: they're going to continue to squalor in the unsuccessful years
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: that they have right now, or that they have had recently.
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: But they've had winning in the past, so that's where
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: you have to lean on and make it an advantage.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Erry Cole pitched in a spring training game. Look at
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: him go one inning, ten pitches. He's not going to
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: be ready for the start of the season, not even
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: close to be exact, but it felt good. Velasidy was
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: in a good spot and it was against the Red
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Sox and you know, no issues. That's step one there.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: The return date for him is in May or June.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling it'll be like mid to late
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: May for Garrett. He's going to want to come back.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: And the Yankees are missing a few guys to start
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the year Rodin, although that should be maybe a few
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: weeks into the season. They're not getting Clark Schmidt back
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: until the second half. There's depth though, I mean they've
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: got Freed, They've got Schlitler, They've got Louise Heal, They've
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: got Warren, they've got Weathers. There's names, but Garrett Cole
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: is lurking, and that's a good thing for a Yankees
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: team that aj won ninety four games last year without
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Garrett Cole. Gret Cole hasn't pitched since Game five of
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: the two twenty twenty four World Series. It's been a minute.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll be fine. I think the Yankees.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: One thing they did this offseason is they did get
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: some depth with the Weather's trade, and I think they've
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: I think they'll be fine. They're just waiting for Garrett
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Cole to come back. They're waiting for Rodin to come back.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: And when that rotation is together, it's a pretty darn
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: good rotation. If you go free to ro Don Cole,
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Heel Schlittler, Clark Schmid, you know, Weathers, wherever the bounce
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: these guys around, it's a pretty solid rotation for any
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Any team would be happy with that rotation.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: I'll say that.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you just hope they don't get behind in the
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: beginning of the season here where they sit, you know,
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: first month. Okay, now you get Rodin back, maybe the
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: third time through the rotation, because with off days you
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: can kind of you can you can be fine with
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: not having that guy. Then where does will Warren go?
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: Who's how's the health of Weathers gonna be?
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: To me?
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: I think Weathers was the perfect pickup based on the
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: fact that they'll most likely get Clark Schmidt back, most
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: likely get Garrett Cole, back most like and getting Rodin
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: back sooner than that, like kind of in waves because
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: I was kind of like they're a little.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: Short to begin the year.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: Maybe they need to get somebody and get a big
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: free agent, and I think that trade has a lot
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: of high upside. And you hope for Weather's sake, you
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: know he's ready to go right out the jump here.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Yep, for Cole, it doesn't hurt to see out of
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: the ten pitches, six or fastballs he topped out at
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: ninety eight point seven. The thing I'll say aja is
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: when a guy goes through surgery. It's been a year
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: and a week since he had the surgery back in
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: March of twenty twenty five, you want to see him
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: come back and throwing just as are close to just
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: as hard as he usually does. Sometimes the control takes
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: a little bit of time to come back. Maybe I'm
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: a little less concerned about Garrett Cole since he's really
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: good in that department, but also he's not a young
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: pup anymore, So you just want to see that the
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: recovery looks good and he's going to be a new man,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: And it looks like at least the first step of
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: many was very successful for him.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Yes, and also we had Shane Biebron and he said
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: it two years. He said that he's been told that
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: it takes two years. He's in a second year and
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: so he hopes when he comes back that he is
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: fully go because I mean, Gark Cole usually it's at
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: least about eighteen months. Garret Cole's just going to be
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: back in a little over years. So we'll see. But yes,
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Garret Cole is special and his velossity was there, which
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: is a good sign. But as Bieber told us yesterday,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: it's not the velocity, it's the location in the field,
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: and sometimes it takes a little longer to get back
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: than people realize.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: I was listening to an interview Grek Cole. If you
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: want to know how Pitcher's feeling, listen to the way
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: they're talking because normally pictures are like how do you feel,
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: how's your arm feel? It's good, And he was very honest.
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: He was like, the velocity is what the velocity is?
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: He said that that was cool. He said the thing
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: that surprised him was his location. He felt like the
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: pen before he pitched in the game, so it would
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: have been whatever three four days ago, whatever is his
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: you know, his steps are his location was the best
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: it had been, and he was like, that is what
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: that was the most pleasing and satisfying for him, was
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: that his location was almost pinpoint. He said, it kind
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: of even surprised me. So that's a good step for
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: Garrett call too.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: For the Yankees. You want him good to go for
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: I think a season where you need him. It's not
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: the Yankees, aren't the Dodgers. The Dodgers aj you mentioned
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: in an earlier part of the show, can kind of
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: like cruise control and be careful with a Blake Snell
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: who all of a sudden is probably not going to
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: pitch until my guess would be May. At this point
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: that kind of pops up and they do what Krasts
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: does Shruger shoulders like, all right, guests, we'll win ninety
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: nine games instead of one oh two, and we'll cruise
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: into the playoffs. And you just want Blake Snell one
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: hundred percent in October. Same thing with someone like Tyler
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Glass now who's had many injuries in the past. With
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: the Yanks a little different right that. It's they're a
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: very good team, but having Garret Cole for most of
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: the regular season will help in a very competitive division.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: There are not many weak spots in the AL East
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: right now. You could maybe point to the Rays being
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: a notch below. Besides that, I feel like the four
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: above them are in a pretty similar place.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Agreed.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Agreed, There's not There's not a lot of room for error,
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: especially in that division and in the in the AL
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: in general, because if you look at it, Tigers are
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: probably the class of the central right, the Guardians always
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: seem to figure out. And you go to the West,
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: you got the Mariners, the Astros, and the Rangers all
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: in the A's. You can probably throw the A's in
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: there as like teams that are seriously trying to get
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: to the postseason this year. And then you go to
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: the AL East, the four teams and the Rays. So
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: there's not a lot of room to to mess around.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: And it could be one game or two. But I
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: still like the Yankees depth.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: I still do.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Yep. All right, Well, we'll keep an eye on Garrett
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Cole and his progress, because it was just one inning.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: He'll very slowly kind of ramp himself up, probably do
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: some rehab games and that whole deal, and then we'll
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: see when he comes back, but a big, big game
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: part of the game, right, Top ten pitcher for a while, now,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: top five, top whatever you want to call him. He's
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: one of the best in baseball, and we haven't seen
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: him in a minute. So I wanted to just give
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: everyone an update and also just try and like get
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: ourselves back into MLB mode and who's heard and who's
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: ready for the season and all that. We just we
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: stepped aside for a while because between camps and WBC action,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: that just kind of had it all for us. So
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: just taking a breath, Now, let's swing back. We've got
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: more to do on FT and we're going to see
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: what other phillies we can grab. Hot corner also could
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: have been show me the Money. We are displaying the
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: top earners in baseball with endorsements included into the fold.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: This chart is wild and should tell the story of
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: how globally sought after shoe Heyo tani is he is
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: a global phenomenon. Okay, I'm going to make it nice
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: and simple. Here aj the darker color if that's a green,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, shows the salary meter, and the lighter
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: color the green shows the endorsement money. Sho Heo Tani
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: is projected to earn one hundred twenty five million dollars
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six from sponsor and memorabilia deals. One
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: one hundred twenty five million dollars. He is making by
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: far more than any other major leaguer, And second on
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: the list is pretty interesting. Cody Bellinger on there. Almost
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: everyone else on here is majority the darker color because
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: it's coming from player salary. You see Sodo, Judge, and
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Harper are getting some good change. The rest of them,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: it's what probably ninety percent plus maybe even more than
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: that coming from their actual contracts. So when you see
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: this list and you see this chart, what do you think.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, show Hey is the greatest thing baseball has going
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: for right now. You need to take absolute advantage of
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: it every chance they get, and they're trying to do that.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, we all know this.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: This is why the show Hate contract for the Dodgers
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: was an absolute no brainer and every other team should
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: have tried to get them, because not only does he
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: bring in his own money, he brings in money to
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: the organization, He brings fans and stands, he brings Japanese
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: eyes and televisions into it. So this just shows what
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: we all knew, which is, sho hey, Otani is a
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: unicorn in this game, and we're fortunate to be able
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: to see him in his priduct.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: What a number. One hundred and twenty five million dollars?
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: What a number? I mean it is.
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: It is something that, like AJ said, major LYUE Baseball
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: needs to not take advantage of this, but make sure
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: that this doesn't pass by pass them by. The Dodgers.
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: Clearly haven't the Dodgers. I mean people are gonna come play. Well,
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: there's just another reason the Dodgers. If he's making one
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: hundred and twenty five million, what are the Dodgers.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: Making off of them?
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: That's the real question, because the Dodgers aren't sitting there going, oh, great,
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: sho hey, you're fine, make your one twenty five. No,
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: they're they're getting TV sponsorships. They're getting they're getting sponsorships.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: The whole league is getting money because they're games on
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: the road. Japanese teams want to telecast those games. Well,
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: the Dodgers don't have access to that. So there's more money.
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: When you have a superstar, generational will go down as
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: the best player of all time. Because of the fact
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: that he can pitch and hit. Major League Baseball is
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: also profiting.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: Off of this.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Hey, last year they had Otani at around one hundred
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: million dollars from endorsement deals, and they said, here in
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: what is this Sportico, Yes, Sportico. Three athletes have ever
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: done that before? Do you guys know who they are?
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Did you read the notes that we put in? Or
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: do you want to play the game? Steph Curry, that's
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: one I mean talks about this. Lebron has Lebron on here.
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: Lebron didn't get over one hundred Now, he didn't get
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: over one hundred million.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Me I feel like I feel like one of the
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: soccer players, either Messi or Ronaldo would be one of them.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: They're not others.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: I thought you guys are in the.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Right realm other sports, but not the two that you
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: just mentioned. Yes, we got Curry, that's the NBA. The
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: other two are international icons in their respective country club sports.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, Tiger would be like a Tiger Woods or something
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Have to be a Tiger Woods.
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: Roger Federer because he had his own he had his
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: own Federer line.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yea, yeah, yeah, Federer and Woods. That's what they
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: have at least in here, and Tiger is from a
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: while ago. They said his two thousand and nine endorsement
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: earnings of one hundred five million was the prior record.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: That's a long time ago. He was a pretty big
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: deal back then.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: Hey was the best.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah for Bellinger, by the way, just as far as
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: how much money you're making between your player contract and
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: your marketing deals, he's number two at fifty seven point
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: five million in baseball. That place to the way the
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: sport is shifting. It's been trying to shift this way
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: for a while. The big market teams have been trying
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: to tighten up the length of the deals at times
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: because they don't want to be trapped in these large,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: big contracts. So that's where you saw guys like Bellinger
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: and Bobaschett, who's relevant today since the Phillies thought they
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: had him in the bag and the Mets were like,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: we'll give you just as much or just about as
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: much for way less years. And then he goes to
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: the Mets, like Don Mattingly he was telling us earlier.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: All right, one more thing. Sportico putting out the top
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: five MLB team valuations, some updated numbers there, and the
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: team that has worked the most in their mind. Yeah,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: of course Dodgers Yankees, but it's you would think it's
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: the way you described it, but it's still the reverse.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: The Yankees are still rated higher on valuation nine point
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: four billion. They've got the Dodgers at nine point zho
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: five billion.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't see, I can't see who Cubs.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I'll read the rest of you. Well, because the podcast
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: crab will like this too. Red Sox six point six
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: five billion, Chicago Cubs six point four eight billion. And
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: then there's another big drop off. There's like basically two tiers.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: You've got the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, Cubs, and then
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: you go down to the Giants to have a valuation
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: of four point three six billion.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Well, show the other show the other league's values.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: That's why the owners of baseball one a salary cap,
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: because then their franchise values go up. Yeah, they multiply,
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: They go up so fast. I mean, it's crazy when
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: you look at other sports. And that's why a cap,
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: and that's why owners want a cap is because it
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: makes their franchise values go up, and then they can
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  Speaker 3: borrow against those franchises to get into other investments that
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: make more money.
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  Speaker 2: So it's crazy how that works.
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  Speaker 3: And people say, why are baseball teams not worth as
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: much as other teams? That's the reason, and that's why,
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: hence why some owners want a salary cap, a hardline cap.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Because.
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  Speaker 5: No, you're you're saying it's not because they want it
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: to be fair. That's why they're doing a j The
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: owners want to make more money off a salary cap system. Unbelievable,
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: breaking news clip that. Okay, I thought it was because
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: they all wanted it to be fair and they all
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: wanted a chance to win a championship.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: No, the owners want more money.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Well, if you want to be fair, why wouldn't you
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: just share the money and then make the money that's
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: shared have to be spent.
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: Right fair?
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Nope, make it fair, be like cool, Let's give one
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: hundred mill to all these teams that say they can't
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: and then they actually have to spend it on the team.
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: Oh, they we get good players, and there would be
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: good players on the field, and then everybody's value would
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: go up.
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  Speaker 4: Don't do it, Scott, don't do it. Don't don't don't
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: say the common sense things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay,