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Does Joel Turner's Shot IQ Work | 3D Archery Tips & Tricks · The Bow Disciples Podcast

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  Every pod always starts super disturbing.
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  It just gets cut out every single time.
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  No one realizes like filming is happening if you compiled the
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  1st 5 minutes of. Each yeah.
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  I surprise. I surprise the people of mine
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  like I I just. I start it and then where and I
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  should see where it goes. And then they're and then they
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  go, are we recording? And I was like, yes we are.
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  How long we've been recording for the last 7 minutes, God damn
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  it. I don't think anybody like, I
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  think everyone just expects like the start to happen.
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  But I don't realize like James starts the cameras before he
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  obviously has to sit down. So once he's sitting, those
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  things are already on and nobody picks up on that and.
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  Then and the pro tips just look for the red light, but people
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  don't notice it, you know? I've got the external monitor so
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  it all it just sits in front of me.
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  You can probably see it in my video, but I just go and it and
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  and no one can see red lights or anything like that.
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  But there's a red yeah around the screen.
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  You got the full. Production I do.
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  You probably, I feel like you know.
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  You want me to just let him do a pod?
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  You need to take some some tips, yeah.
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  Let's do this, we'll, I'll do the technology in here and then
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  you guys can help me with the interior design because it's.
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  Absolutely, That's the scary. We'll.
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  Do we'll do that trade? I like this wall and some of the
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  decor. Now I'm on the hunt for what I'm
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  going to do to these two walls, the white, once you see it on
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  camera. I'm not a big fan.
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  I have a ton of graces and maybe I'll paint them Gray.
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  But then I saw, you know, Facebook Marketplace is a bad
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  place to go for me. And they had those, you know,
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  they're like tiles, like 60, kind of like these, but they're
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  the, like, fake fake vines or greenery or whatever.
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  It's like super trendy. Now you'll see it on a wall with
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  like, the LED light or whatever. I was like, oh, what if I just
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  ran out buy like a hundred of those so I can do like one wall
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  in them? And I was like, oh wait, no, I
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  can't do that, 'cause then I got to paint the green on this wall
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  a different color. So I'm just torn as to what to
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  do. But I I will decorate, don't
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  will decorate. Don't sleep on the tapestry
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  because the the one behind mine looks like a wood panel wall.
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  It's literally just a $20 Amazon like wall.
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  Like like I I think it's like 10 feet by 10 it's basically covers
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  the entire wall and you cannot tell on.
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  Video. No.
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  It looks good in your videos, yeah.
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  If you go, if you go up to, you're like, oh, this is really
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  cheap. There's some Amazon has some
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  great things. Pretty much everything in this
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  room came off Amazon. But.
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  Pretty much the bows and deer. Did you get the LED?
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  She got that on Pinner at Etsy, Yeah.
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  No. Don't confuse the.
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  Two you're. Different Etsy.
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  They're not really that much different, I don't feel like.
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  What? What is?
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  Pinterest and Etsy Like what's the?
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  Difference. Etsy makes things for you.
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  Pinterest is just like a collage of ideas.
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  Oh, so one's like the idea board, The other ones, yeah.
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  One's like where you can make your vision board, the others
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  where you actually go to execute.
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  Correct. Yeah.
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  OK. They do make.
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  I've seen, I've started to find one.
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  So I wanted to do one like on the inside of that door.
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  That said, like the studio or something, when you, you know,
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  see it from the outside of the room, obviously, but you can't
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  have a cord hanging from the wall.
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  But they do make ones with little battery packs so you
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  don't have to plug it in or anything.
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  It's like that might be the next step, because then I just don't
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  like cords, Cords really. Cords.
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  Yeah, they kind of get hidden, but yeah.
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  By the oh, you did turn those little bright lights on.
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  Oh, should I hit them? Don't.
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  Should we hit a mid video? So we're here with Brianna Round
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  of applause Legend in here. Also, the comment word of the
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  day is watermelon, so if you're watching, drop watermelon in the
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  comments. Is this a new YouTube trend or
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  something else? I just thought of it right now.
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  So drop watermelon, I'm going to do it.
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  Comment of the day is my new thing.
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  So drop watermelon and the and the, yeah.
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  In the comments like I thought you meant if you say watermelon.
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  OK, so people just literally comment.
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  Right now they're going to write watermelon in the comments.
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  Let me know they're watching. So anyway, people are going to
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  drop that I. Prefer if you dropped a
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  question, but you know. People won't respond to a
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  question, but they'll type watermelon because it's fun.
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  What? No, no, no.
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  Like they can ask a question and then you can respond to them
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  because you respond to all the messages.
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  Well, I do, but that's too much effort.
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  Watermelon's just like. That's lazy.
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  It's. Kind of fun, you know?
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  It's fun. And we're also here with David.
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  Why watermelon? I just thought of it right now
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  on the spot, literally. You know, I just felt like it
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  was a crazy. Watermelon Do you put salt on
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  your watermelon? No.
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  No. Isn't that a weird thing people
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  do? Isn't it salt, right?
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  Not really. You can.
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  You can have salt with fruity things.
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  I feel like a Margarita is very fruity.
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  I put sugar on the rib. Do.
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  You but Brianna loves. I hate salt.
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  You got to see her go to Starbucks sometimes, her order.
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  There's cold foam in my homemade coffee right now.
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  It's a whipped can. Pour it in there.
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  So anyway, David, 614 archery my guy.
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  You've known him for like 4-3 four years now.
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  Long time 3/4. Probably maybe 3.
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  Years. Also a YouTube and a podger.
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  Podger. His pod better video production.
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  The video production Much as good.
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  Much smaller. Much smaller, but I love
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  shooting David's that he works with Southwest boat runners.
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  Or are you like on the board or something?
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  I'm on the board, yes. I'm a board member.
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  So if y'all haven't shot that and you're in any western state,
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  I suggest going because it's a lot of fun, especially to walk
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  the trail. And what's the other one?
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  The Halloween night shoots? The big one.
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  Halloween night shoes are evening shoot where you attach a
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  whole bunch of flashlights to your bow and get to use your
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  lighted knocks and pins and stuff like that.
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  And it's it's really fun. It's it's it's way more fun when
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  you wait until darkness has completely fallen and then you
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  go out. A lot of people like to go when
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  the sun has set. There's still light out there
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  and then they finish the trail. But it's much.
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  More fun at night. It's dark.
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  We. Didn't make that one this year
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  we we were going to and then something happened.
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  And I kept telling James for the longest time, we still haven't
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  done it. I want to go out, probably
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  eventually someone call on us. But I want to go out dark like
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  that morally here, and do that glow in the dark balloons with
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  lighted knobs, like a video. There's certainly no point to
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  the video other than that it's fun, but.
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  It would be fun. It would.
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  Be fun to do. But I I like Yuma the shoot
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  because is there another? Big shoot, though, what?
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  The walk, The trail. The one we just did.
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  There is. There's another one, April,
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  we've got. Oh shit.
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  I'm going to have a booth at that.
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  Yes, you guys can come by merch, too, at that.
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  Excellent. And I'm going to compete by the
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  way she's sitting in the booth. I'm going to try to win that
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  shit, you know? So how many people go to that?
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  We we don't know. It's our first year doing this
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  particular one. It's the third leg of the
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  Arizona 3D Championship. I think it's called the Cactus
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  Cup. Cactus Cup, Yes.
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  First leg is in Mesa at Usury Mountain Range, and then the
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  second leg is in Dragoon in Tucson.
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  That one's fun because that's the middle of nowhere.
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  Yeah, and we've got the third leg of that.
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  If you haven't participated in the other two, you can't win the
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  buckle. But, I mean, you can.
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  But. You can win the day you.
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  Can win that day, yeah, yeah. I would like to do that.
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  I would like to do that and it's an actual.
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  Buckle like a rodeo buckle it's. An actual rodeo.
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  But that's a that is a thing in archery, yes.
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  I need to get better. Obviously not going to go win
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  anything at the rodeo, so if I could win an arc.
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  They're sick belts too. Yeah.
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  But yeah, it's a good range. It's it's like, it's you kind of
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  get two different bags of shooting there, which I like.
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  You get your real kind of technical tight stuff where it's
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  more dark on your your peep and your sight and then you get in
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  the back Canyon and it's like just you're blasted with sun,
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  you're out in the open. There's like no terrain or
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  topography. Yeah, there's like terrain, but
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  I mean not much vegetation. So you're like really like just
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  baking in the sun. And so the lighting shooting
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  wise, it's very different between the two sides and one's
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  more the canyons obviously, more stretched out shots generally
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  and I think that's cool. I think like the diversity of
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  Y'all's ranges is pretty cool and I always like going.
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  So I'm excited to come out and have a have a booth and
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  hopefully shoot and that's a two day.
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  That's going to be a two day correct.
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  Was it like April 13th 14th? It's April 12th and 13th, the
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  Saturday and Sunday that that is out there, all right.
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  And yes, you're you're not wrong about your you're exactly right
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  about the differences in lighting.
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  So we have the Canyon Trail which is in in a Canyon
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  obviously. And then we've got targets that
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  go all the way back through this Canyon at Dare Range.
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  And then we you cross the road towards the river, the Gila
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  River. And then there's two river
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  trails down there that we we have at our big shoots, the East
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  River Trail and the West River Trail.
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  And like you said it's very tech.
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  It's very tight. You'll go, you'll have to shoot
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  through a window like like this big.
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  And I know people who who do really well in the Canyon that
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  struggle in the river bottom trails because the lighting is
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  so much different and it's it's especially the ones who use
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  lenses. Oh yeah.
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  Yeah. Because I've.
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  Yeah. I've got a guy who we we have a
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  guy who just switched to A10 power lens.
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  Oh. Yeah, you're home.
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  Oh. My God.
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  He's he's from Kansas. Yes, he is.
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  He's from Kansas. He's a good one boy from Kansas
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  he he he called me up the other day he just in his Kansas draw
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  he's like I just switched to 10 power lens man I can see the
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  nuts of the ticket 30 yards but he's he's going to he's he's
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  going to struggle with the with the lighting especially when you
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  need to index things on a target which is something that I just
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  recently for 3D started to started to do because when I
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  first came to you mayors always started shooting three DI just
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  shoot for where like I think the OR where a vital would be on it
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  and those 12 rings are not necessarily where the vital
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  would be. So you you'd end up hitting an 8
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  when you're like that's a that's a kill shot.
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  So I I started really trying to index my shot for where where
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  that and and where that 12 ring is.
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  I tried to index it. You know like on a javelina for
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  instance you've got these white, white dots.
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  Yeah. And and try to indent because
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  the hardest thing that I think with with indexing is you look
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  at through your by nose everything will make sense.
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  You'll be like, Yep, that's where it is.
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  And then you you go down and you're like, is it really that
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  far? Down this is This is why you see
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  my process like I've always done this rough glass it and it'll
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  go. I'll do that about four times.
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  I'm like, OK, I'm positive. I always want to make sure I'm
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  like looking at the same I'll see like a crack or like a
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  shadow or something. I'm like I'm pretty sure that's
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  it. I'll go OK see it is that the
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  same shadow And then I'll like eventually once I'm sure I'll
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  shoot. But I've always done that, you
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  know, and I think that a lot of people who maybe don't get as
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  good A results as they want at three DA, lot of times it's
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  either. A lot of times it's just like a
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  skill difference that is a thing.
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  But sometimes people just don't put the effort in to really
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  study where you're trying to hit and then find a way to hold on
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  it. Like, I'm big on dude.
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  Like today there was some good ones where I would glass it and
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  then go, OK, there's where I'm trying to hit and I'd be by the
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  cone and you can get a Bose length from the cone.
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  So I'd be like right next to it and I'd go, OK, got that piece
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  of grass. If I could take a step back,
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  that piece of grass will be perfectly right in the 12.
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  So now I can hold on the blade of grass, but have something,
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  you know, definitive to hold on and just little tricks like that
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  have helped me score pretty high consistently is like the effort
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  and then just like the attention to detail kind of on where to
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  hit. Was that care?
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  We're just looking directly at your cross.
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  It might have been, but it's definitely not gonna get your
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  face. No, it's zoomed all the way out.
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  I'm a short king 6 foot. You're not.
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  You're not. You're not.
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  Short unhinge. OK, Jeez, yeah.
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  Oh, my goodness. No, you.
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  Yeah. No, you're totally right about
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  that. Like I, I I struggle with that
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  on a, on a, you know on on a target by target.
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  Some Some are really easy to identify, but some, some.
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  Dinosaur The two stripes coming down or the cobras.
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  Pretty easy, Sasquatch for me. If anyone's a coyote, the
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  pronghorn's easy. Just hit the bend to the wide.
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  The coyote you hit the the cluster of black dots on the
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  right on the bottom dot. You can be perfect.
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  It's kind of fun once you've shot a lot to be like, OK, I
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  know where to hit this one. Yeah, but some of those targets
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  look the same, but their their, their 12 range are different.
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  It depends on the manufacturer. Yeah.
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  Like the Deltas are like up in like the back of the eight.
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  Yeah, I won't even check those. I'll just shoot for 10s.
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  I I don't really find it worth that to go for the twelves.
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  I would maybe if I was doing like AASA or something like
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  that. Have you have you ever done that
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  type of scoring The the three, the three dots in the middle I
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  that confused the hell out? Of me first.
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  Have you done it? No, I have not.
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  I hate that scoring. It's it's goofy to me a little
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  bit. Because the because the middle
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  the middle dot is not actually your highest score.
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  No, it's the one on like the top left or something.
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  Yes, but the middle dot I think is a 10 and then the dots on
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  either side are twelves and then the 14 is like back way.
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  Back, yeah. But that didn't.
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  I don't know that it it doesn't make sense that there's two high
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  scoring rings on either side of I I don't know.
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  Yeah, maybe because it's closer to the 8.
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  Ring that's why it's more risky to hit them so but yeah I always
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  thought that was a little goofy out out here we everyone has
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  Reinhardt target so everything's basically 581012.
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  Well, that's what I don't get though.
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  Like you guys do it, but out here doesn't.
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  So The Twelves. Yeah, like if we use
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  Reinhardt's, but yeah, but why call an?
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  XI don't know. I don't.
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  I don't know why they do that here.
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  That That's target circles. We don't score twelves anywhere.
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  They scored. They.
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  Just give them. 10s. With X.
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  And if you hit the 12, that's a 10X and they say that that's a
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  tiebreaker. So for example, the shoot I was
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  at today, it's a 28 target shoot, but the Max score was
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  280. You can't 12 get you nothing.
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  So other than a tie break. Maybe that's.
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  I guess it's fine, but I do prefer twelves.
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  Yeah, maybe. Maybe that's due to like so many
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  target Archers, they're just used to act like shooting could
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  be. For X maybe?
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  Because that's I I did a actual target shoot in December and it
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  was, you know, the the X is, the X is an X and stuff like that.
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  But that it feels, it feels like there's too much, a little bit
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  too much segmentation in that. It feels it feels a little goofy
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  to me, but I've always thought that.
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  I've even told them like that's why I have Motorcycles challenge
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  like we do, I do twelves, but it's also not a competitive
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  shoot. But on your scorecard you, you
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  know like this year we're actually going to do a little
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  cuz last year we had so many first time shooters come that
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  they're like how do we score it? And I was explaining how to
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  score it and I was like, we need a little key on the scorecard
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  where you can flip it over and it has a visual of like this
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  ring is this So that way people don't, you know, I don't have to
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  tell them and they they might forget you can just like flip
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  over your card and go oh shit, OK now I know how to score it.
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  You know, and. They never look at the e-mail.
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  No. Yeah.
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  So that's why it's got to be on the card.
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  So we're going to have like a safety number on the card and
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  the maybe like a course description or something on the
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  back and then other than that just the the ring demonstration.
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  But I I love shooting 3D, man. Like I think it makes you a
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  better hunter too. Like I mean that's a big reason
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  why I do it so much. One because it's fun and I like
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  being competitive. Like those are both big reasons
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  I like to do it and I love to shoot.
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  So it's like fits a lot of things, but also, you can't tell
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  me that doing a bunch of bow shooting is not going to make
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  you better at shooting when you got a buck in front of you.
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  Yeah, you know what I mean. The only dangerous thing about
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  3D is that you might start going for a 12 ring instead of an
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  actual. Instead of a perfect yeah.
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  And and a lot with a lot of these shoots, they they
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  purposely set the target up to be absolutely 100%, just 90°
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  broadside when you're almost never.
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  Gonna. Have a little quarter or
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  something and. In which case, like your
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  absolute kill shot might be just inside an 8 ring.
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  If it's if it's if that animal's quartering away from you, it's
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  it's going to go in through the 88 ring and then come out
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  through the the front or something like that.
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  Dude for sure on on some 3D targets.
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  I think maybe someone like the mule deer.
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  I swear sometimes. That's like the the cougar, or
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  like the jumping cougar, or like the standing sitting hog one
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  where the target of the like they're just absolutely nowhere
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  near like even close to where vinyls would be similar, they're
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  like. That one hog where it's like
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  legs. Or the Central Warthog.
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  Yeah, I love that target. That's that's one of my
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  favorite. Targets, but it's true like the
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  rings on that are so far back like you're hitting almost like
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  mid, mid, belly. Yeah, Downward facing, Warthog
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  downward. But there's I I sure you know
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  what, there's some of the like mule deer targets where the
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  ideal hunting shot that I want to shoot for is A5.
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  It's like a borderline 5 because it's below.
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  They kind of set everything high and I want to hit like as low as
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  I can pretty much. And it's like I would almost hit
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  that the seam of the insert if I really pinwheeled them like I
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  want it. Well, that's like.
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  It is. I agree with you.
• 18:52
  It would be. I wonder what 3D would look like
• 18:54
  if the targets were still had score rings but based 100%
• 18:59
  target that. Yes, they're very expensive.
• 19:02
  Yeah, there are. What are those called?
• 19:04
  I don't remember. There's a name for them, but.
• 19:07
  Adjust it I. Have that poison oak, so we've
• 19:09
  been cutting trails. Bro, OK, I was wondering what
• 19:13
  have you faced? Yeah.
• 19:14
  So we've been cutting trails. For it looked a lot worse.
• 19:17
  A couple days ago. His eyes.
• 19:19
  Are like a little shop. Actually this morning I was at
• 19:22
  lunch. I'm just doing this.
• 19:23
  What are you doing? I was like, it's that.
• 19:24
  Point It feels so good. It does, yeah.
• 19:27
  So we've been cutting the trails for the shoot so no one else has
• 19:30
  to get poison oak. Basically we wanted to get it
• 19:33
  cut real early this year so we can go twice a month till the
• 19:36
  shoot and just spray the shit out of the side.
• 19:39
  So it's like, why no poison oak? So we got hammered,
• 19:41
  unfortunately. But yeah, she doesn't get it,
• 19:44
  dude. But are you?
• 19:45
  Immune. I guess so.
• 19:47
  We even yesterday we took the dog out for a hike and we found
• 19:50
  some. Right now everything's kind of
• 19:52
  dormant, where we're starting to kind of get some buds for
• 19:54
  leaves, but for the most part just looks like dead vineage.
• 19:58
  We went out on a hike yesterday and there was some ripe poison.
• 20:02
  I mean it. Was just sort of listening.
• 20:04
  So he's just like, you can find out.
• 20:07
  I was like, all right, so I just ripped it off the Bush.
• 20:09
  I pulled down my arm was like. Oh.
• 20:12
  Nothing. I got nothing.
• 20:14
  I mean, it was soaking in oil and I got nothing.
• 20:17
  I get boils. Like me too.
• 20:20
  Like, like, like, disgusting, like leprosy.
• 20:24
  Balls. Yeah.
• 20:26
  You'll be good at the shoot thanks to me, but.
• 20:29
  I do appreciate. It but like, it was crazy
• 20:33
  because the stuff that we're cutting through it doesn't even
• 20:36
  have leaves at all. But I I always knew you could
• 20:38
  get it off just the stems we got.
• 20:41
  We got smoke pretty good. But dude, I know last year it's
• 20:45
  funny. I was talking to him about our
• 20:46
  shoot and all those guys were like, your whole group is like,
• 20:50
  dude, this is a lot of hiking, bro.
• 20:52
  Like this year bro is like double the amount of hiking,
• 20:55
  like we're going to horrible ass.
• 20:58
  Dude, how much time we have in between?
• 21:01
  You got a couple months, but I'll.
• 21:02
  Just go Telegraph Pass. Dude, twice a week bring AE bike
• 21:05
  just passing people E bike would be crazy.
• 21:14
  Yeah, it's a I was out there for them.
• 21:17
  I'm trying to create maps for them this year on a website and
• 21:20
  maps. Are.
• 21:23
  Safe. You know, dropping things on
• 21:24
  Onyx and like following behind them.
• 21:28
  That's where I'm put them on right now.
• 21:29
  So all the the pins and then I go and I hide them all.
• 21:32
  I screenshot my Onyx and then I go back to make it look prettier
• 21:36
  than Onyx does. I take it into Canva and find
• 21:39
  each spot and make it the creative version.
• 21:43
  So it's a lot of work, but I'm like 100 or more yards behind
• 21:47
  them and I'm just like how much longer?
• 21:49
  Just this kid going uphill. Dude the map.
• 21:54
  Dude the map she's making are slick, bro.
• 21:57
  Like because I used to go to whatever, like Knott's Berry
• 22:02
  Farm or some shit when I was a kid.
• 22:03
  Like we'd go one time, and I always thought the maps were so
• 22:06
  cool the like anime. Like the Disney?
• 22:10
  Map and I was like, can you make that dude, the map she's making
• 22:12
  literally look like Disney maps dude.
• 22:15
  Like, they're so sick and I was like, I can't wait to put put
• 22:18
  these out, but yeah, it's. Something my favorite shot
• 22:21
  though this that you've set so far is 1 map picked out that
• 22:25
  uphill. 1. It's like the only uphill.
• 22:28
  There's maybe. Some, but like nothing like this
• 22:30
  one. It's just like and then you
• 22:34
  climb it all the way up and that was one of the ones like there's
• 22:36
  a lot of stuff this year we cut in.
• 22:37
  There's just no trails. It's just straight through
• 22:40
  poison oak just go. So we're making all of the new
• 22:44
  trails and it is rough, but the hikes are.
• 22:49
  Oh dude, it'll. For the people, I told him I
• 22:50
  kind of feel bad for the people buying one day passes because
• 22:53
  like, they're just, I don't think there's any way this year,
• 22:57
  if, especially if it were busy, like there's no way you're
• 23:00
  getting through all three courses in one day, I don't feel
• 23:02
  unless you're by yourself shooting.
• 23:04
  Goals though, if you're doing. One day.
• 23:05
  You're cool shooting too, yeah yeah, but even doing shoot, even
• 23:11
  doing like if you're not in shape, even just doing one is
• 23:13
  going to whoop your ass. Yeah, well, there's just some
• 23:16
  steep sections too, like I I told him.
• 23:20
  So man, it's like we need to put.
• 23:21
  There's even one. I was just like just put one
• 23:23
  step in, just one step in the dirt at least, 'cause there's
• 23:26
  some people whose knees or some older people they're gonna give
• 23:29
  out and. Yes.
• 23:31
  It's not balance to find sort of.
• 23:33
  But no, it'll it'll I think it'll be great.
• 23:35
  Just like I can't wait for y'all shoot in April.
• 23:39
  Debbie, what an Angel. Yes, I love Debbie.
• 23:43
  Yeah, she's she's she's a gym. The first time Brianna met
• 23:46
  Debbie, I was like that Lady, right?
• 23:48
  There's a beast and. She's the first conversation had
• 23:51
  Debbie her elk. I said show her a picture of
• 23:54
  your elk. Just a hammer Bold.
• 23:57
  Super unassumingly. Ever since, I'm like, Debbie can
• 24:01
  do it. I can.
• 24:02
  Do Debbie. I love Debbie, man.
• 24:04
  She's so sweet and she came up to me and she's like hey, would
• 24:08
  you by chance want to come to our thing and have a have a like
• 24:11
  a booth or sponsor. And I said I'll tell you what
• 24:14
  Debbie I would love to schedule you know and then I text Scotty
• 24:19
  because I don't I don't like I have her number so I text but I
• 24:21
  was like I'm going to come because I just get it was clear
• 24:23
  that weekend. So I'm excited for it and what
• 24:26
  new merch by then? Excellent.
• 24:29
  New tease, maybe, yeah, but Brianna going to be slinging
• 24:32
  merch and selling shoot tickets. I'm going to be trying to win an
• 24:37
  event, you know. What he's saying is I have no
• 24:40
  chance of winning, so he's. Going to go, you said you didn't
• 24:43
  want to shoot you. Said you want to?
• 24:44
  Oh yeah, I'd rather just. Me and David, maybe we'll
• 24:47
  finally group up. Let's do it.
• 24:49
  Actually, we grouped up the first time we met.
• 24:51
  Yes. Just be aware that for this one,
• 24:53
  you're only allowed to be in a group with one other person that
• 24:56
  you know. Shit.
• 24:57
  So you and me. That's it?
• 24:58
  Yeah. That's perfect.
• 24:59
  I'm not coming with anyone else, so.
• 25:01
  Yeah, and I won't be able to compete in it cuz I'm setting up
• 25:04
  the trails, but I can. Shoot.
• 25:07
  Shoot. Still.
• 25:08
  Yeah, but no, Debbie Debbie's an absolute hammer and she she's
• 25:12
  had, she had a shoulder injury that she's been recovering from
• 25:15
  and I believe it is her it, it is her bow arm.
• 25:18
  So she was out at Blythe when we were out there at 50 mile per
• 25:24
  hour winds and she's got, she's got a bow tech and it's, I don't
• 25:28
  know, it's a couple year old bow tech, but it's the 28 Axel to
• 25:32
  Axel and she just had like a basic stabilizer, a really
• 25:37
  lightweight sight on it. And like I picked up her bow and
• 25:41
  I was like, shit, this is heavy Debbie, good Lord, she's like,
• 25:45
  yeah, it's great isn't it. And I was like, all right, man,
• 25:48
  but like she. She wait to it.
• 25:50
  Yeah, she she holds it up there like a tank.
• 25:52
  And she she shot really, really well.
• 25:54
  She's she's a, she's a hammer. She'll she'll get a Turkey with
• 25:58
  a bow, which I hate turkeys. I want to.
• 26:01
  I want to kill a Turkey so bad. You don't like them.
• 26:04
  I have recent so this goes back to.
• 26:08
  I can't wait for this goes back to Ohio tree stand hunting and
• 26:16
  I've you know I've I've I was a Ohio Midwest tree stand hunter
• 26:20
  for a long time. You know I got a saddle
• 26:24
  afterwards just because of the safety factor.
• 26:26
  But public land never had my own land to hunt on.
• 26:30
  So you know you're you're out there with with whatever you do,
• 26:33
  your own scouting, all of that stuff.
• 26:36
  And I've I've been out Turkey hunting in Ohio a couple times
• 26:41
  and I've never seen nor heard a Turkey in Ohio during Turkey
• 26:46
  season. And this is what a shotgun I was
• 26:49
  trying to you know, Elmer Fudd, my way through the woods to try
• 26:52
  to kill a Turkey and I swear every single deer season and I
• 26:57
  have, I have footage of this. I will without fail, almost
• 27:02
  every weekend I go out, I will have a flock of 40 turkeys go
• 27:06
  directly below my stand and it's just like I could drop a rock
• 27:10
  and kill one of these turkeys and then during Turkey season,
• 27:14
  they just. Disappear, it's just.
• 27:16
  Like, you know, they're out, they're out there like.
• 27:22
  David, Dude, what a Ledger. I hate turkeys and I actually
• 27:28
  like eating Turkey, so I would love to.
• 27:32
  Turkeys are not nearly as good though, as a store bought
• 27:34
  Turkey, that's true. They're so lean and wiry, at
• 27:37
  least the ones we have here. I would love to sever the head
• 27:39
  of a Turkey, yeah, with feast upon its lifeless corpse.
• 27:44
  The guillotine, remember? The.
• 27:47
  Damn, I think Josh Bomar has a slow MO or he used to guillotine
• 27:53
  the the Turkey head just goes flying up in the air.
• 27:56
  Like 2-2 angles too. It's crazy.
• 27:59
  He films, dude. He has new camera filming on
• 28:01
  this 400 frames, 400,000 frames a second or something.
• 28:04
  It's crazy. I think it's called like a
• 28:09
  remember that, a phantom. Phantom, yeah.
• 28:12
  And didn't they say the camera cost like 200,000?
• 28:14
  Dollars. Yes, it does.
• 28:16
  He's, he's got that, he's got the money for.
• 28:17
  That so, don't worry. About that.
• 28:19
  That's cool though. I mean, hey, life is about a
• 28:21
  dream, you know? I've also heard he films
• 28:24
  absolutely everything. Like what?
• 28:27
  What you what you see on his channel is like 1% of what, but
• 28:31
  he's got a team that that does that for.
• 28:33
  Him. That's the thing.
• 28:34
  If you have like people filming with you, like I've thought
• 28:36
  about getting the intern and just like kind of like film like
• 28:39
  stuff I haven't normally like I don't know like packing merch
• 28:44
  sales and like going and shipping them and then like
• 28:46
  going and shooting, hitting the like shit like that.
• 28:48
  I'm like, maybe that would be good, but I'm like, I don't
• 28:51
  know. The juice has to be worth the
• 28:53
  squeeze. Exactly.
• 28:54
  And I don't think it is, you know.
• 28:56
  Not at this point, not at this. Point, Yeah.
• 28:58
  Maybe at some point, but. If you were getting to a point
• 29:01
  where you were, you were pumping out stuff and the demand was
• 29:06
  actually there because that the the demand is half half of it
• 29:09
  like you've you've when you if you get a you know section of
• 29:13
  the Internet who is demanding more stuff from you then that
• 29:17
  might be the time to do it a. 100%, yeah.
• 29:20
  And it's funny because we talk about this a lot in the pod
• 29:23
  actually is how much different your demand is on a different
• 29:28
  platforms because we post everywhere, you know, and
• 29:32
  YouTube is like, I would say our home base.
• 29:35
  That's like where it started. It's the main thing but then on
• 29:38
  other platforms like the follower number may be higher
• 29:41
  but it's like the the engagement is just like not quite the same
• 29:45
  as it is on YouTube, you know. And I always think about that
• 29:48
  like I think about these girls on Instagram that are like their
• 29:53
  only fans type of girls like no for real.
• 29:55
  But then they'll try to start a YouTube and like they can carry
• 29:58
  an Instagram or an only fans because they're carrying it with
• 30:02
  their looks, but they're not speaking or anything and some of
• 30:06
  them. Are the women.
• 30:08
  Not necessarily the most. They can't carry a 20 minute
• 30:13
  video, you know what I mean? But they can carry a I don't
• 30:21
  know. So I'm saying like there is that
• 30:23
  difference of like can you carry a short form content or can you
• 30:27
  carry something that's. Now that I feel like that's
• 30:29
  even, like, whether you're only fans or just like a a girl who's
• 30:33
  in like the outdoor community, like sometimes, you know,
• 30:35
  there's some I'm not going to hate on women, but like there's
• 30:38
  some out there just there to take.
• 30:40
  Like, I'm sure they hunt too. I'm sure they shoot but like
• 30:44
  what's going on the the Graham is like the pretty photo of them
• 30:48
  shooting their bow and then they get like 150,000 followers and
• 30:52
  they translate that to a YouTube and.
• 30:55
  Then like, four people watch the YouTube.
• 30:57
  Yeah, you know what I mean. Have you ever tried to like talk
• 31:02
  on a video by yourself for more than 10 minutes?
• 31:07
  Like like there are people out there who can just talk all day?
• 31:11
  Like Chael, Sonnen is one of them where he just like he
• 31:14
  should just talk and it doesn't matter.
• 31:16
  What a gem of life as. Well, but like, have you ever
• 31:19
  tried to do I? Have I have, so I've done it on
• 31:21
  some reviews I had to think about it.
• 31:23
  But yes, I have and and. It's hard.
• 31:26
  You got to. Kind of have a script sort of
• 31:28
  for sit like that. Like you got to have the ideas
• 31:30
  kind of at least in your head, like how you want them to lie.
• 31:34
  Now I think that's the key. Unless you're Chael Sonnen or
• 31:38
  something, like there's some people that are just super
• 31:42
  unbelievably entertaining, Like Chael Sonnen is one of them.
• 31:46
  Dave Portnoy to me is one of them.
• 31:49
  Trump obviously is one of them. Whether you hate him or not,
• 31:52
  Trump is the funniest, most entertaining dude Probably of
• 31:57
  all time. For three hours.
• 31:59
  He is. He could go forever.
• 32:01
  Dude, did you see the one the other day where he goes?
• 32:04
  It's so bright, these lights in my face.
• 32:06
  I can't. I can always see the black
• 32:09
  people. Oh my God, dude, did you see it?
• 32:13
  No. He goes, he goes.
• 32:14
  Look how far we've. Come look how far we've come
• 32:20
  because he can't see, dude, it's priceless nude.
• 32:23
  I saw one where he was talking. I think it was when Vivek
• 32:27
  dropped out and you know, he, he talked for like 20 minutes and
• 32:31
  he brought Vivek up. He talked for 20 minutes and
• 32:34
  then and then Trump came on and talked for another 30 minutes
• 32:37
  and then and I don't know like if this was a plan, but during
• 32:43
  the speech they started playing like this, this music that was
• 32:46
  just like like super rising and stuff like that.
• 32:49
  And he and you could tell like, it was like the, yeah.
• 32:52
  The music was like, was like his cue to like go into like this
• 32:59
  mode of speaking where he was just talking about the future
• 33:02
  and stuff like that. And then he did that for 20
• 33:04
  minutes. I don't know how they got a song
• 33:06
  that long for him to speak. And then he wrapped it all up in
• 33:09
  the video end and I was like, this is ridiculous, dude, this
• 33:13
  is ridiculous. Oh.
• 33:15
  God, dude. Some people, like I said just
• 33:17
  have it, dude. Then he got it like he he
• 33:21
  hasn't. Probably more than anybody,
• 33:23
  dude. More than.
• 33:23
  Anyone. The only guy who, I mean.
• 33:25
  I do think Portnoy is very good at this, too.
• 33:28
  Like, he'd have some person, he's eating his pizza, someone
• 33:33
  walks by on the sidewalk and somehow it's like the most wild
• 33:37
  interaction. He's like eating a pepper that a
• 33:39
  homeless dude gave him. And he's like, well, just random
• 33:42
  shit he does. And I'm like he, you know,
• 33:45
  there's a reason at work. Or who's the one that almost
• 33:48
  uncomfortable to watch? Oh, Danny Mullen.
• 33:52
  Danny Mullen's a little different because.
• 33:54
  He does interact Danny like his show system and the one dude on.
• 33:58
  But Danny Mullen is kind of putting on and he does it very
• 34:02
  well, but it seems he kind of putting on a little bit of a
• 34:06
  show and he's very good at it for sure.
• 34:08
  And I love his content, but like Dave, I don't.
• 34:11
  I think Dave is just being Dave and I think Trump is, to be
• 34:15
  honest, I think that's him. Like I think that's who I swear
• 34:18
  if I hung out with him I think he would just be sitting there
• 34:21
  going, James, we we did it better than anyone ever.
• 34:24
  We did it the biggest, you know like for real.
• 34:28
  I think he would. Dude, my favorite.
• 34:30
  And I would love it. Oh, I would love it.
• 34:32
  My favorite Dave Portnoy interaction is the one where
• 34:35
  like and I actually knew about this guy before he was on Dave
• 34:38
  Portnoy or on the Pizza Review it it's the it's the homeless
• 34:43
  guy with no arms and he and he stabbed like 3 people and he and
• 34:50
  like Dave is doing his review and like the guy comes up to him
• 34:55
  and Dave like kind of like looks by he's like don't forget to
• 34:58
  feed the homeless and he's got this he's got the the the bag
• 35:01
  under his arm and and Dave just goes and he stares at him like
• 35:05
  walking away and he's just like how's he holding that he goes he
• 35:12
  goes how. How's he holding though?
• 35:14
  Yeah, dude. And he's just flabbergasted and
• 35:18
  there's a 5 minute sequence where he's just like, I don't
• 35:21
  know what to do right now. One of the all time.
• 35:23
  It just complete, just completely derailed the entire.
• 35:26
  Pizza review. That's one of the best ones of
• 35:28
  all time. Or the one recently.
• 35:30
  I don't know if you saw it where the guy, it's the one where Dave
• 35:34
  doing the review outside and the guy comes out and he goes, hey,
• 35:36
  this is public prop, this is my business.
• 35:39
  You got to get out of here. They have this whole fight on
• 35:42
  the sidewalk basically. And it went like mainstream.
• 35:45
  It was on like the news and shit.
• 35:47
  Did you see this one? Yeah, dude.
• 35:49
  The crazy part about that is that that guy, he didn't want
• 35:53
  more business because he's already at Max capacity.
• 35:56
  And then after that interaction, he got more business than he
• 36:01
  wanted. Like people went there just
• 36:03
  because of that interaction with him and it was just like and so
• 36:08
  yeah. 100% like there's a place in San Diego actually that he
• 36:12
  went to that he gave like an 8 two, I think like so a high
• 36:16
  score. And still to this day they get
• 36:19
  crazy traffic because of it. Yeah, you know, and that was
• 36:22
  like 4 years ago, but the the pizza is great, you know, So it
• 36:26
  goes to show like, I mean that that that's why companies wanted
• 36:29
  like sponsor and work with athlete.
• 36:31
  We were talking about Shohei Otani earlier and how he did
• 36:33
  that huge contract and his endorsement deal or Spotify
• 36:37
  paying Rogan a ton of money. It's because, you know, like if
• 36:41
  Dave or somebody's telling you to buy a pizza, like you'll
• 36:44
  trust him, you know? I I I feel like I heard a story
• 36:47
  where they where they made-up the first two years of Shohei
• 36:52
  Otani's contract in the first like month just on merge sales.
• 36:57
  I believe it. I believe it.
• 36:59
  And I also watched another video where they were saying that when
• 37:05
  you looked at the ads at Angel Stadium or even when he was on
• 37:08
  away games, the ads behind home plate would all be Japanese
• 37:13
  because they would call in and buy the ads for when he was
• 37:16
  playing. So they're they were explaining
• 37:18
  how the Dodgers revenues about to just blow through the roof
• 37:22
  because not only is are they selling a ton of merge, but
• 37:25
  they're also getting all these new advertisers.
• 37:28
  So they're like, yeah, we'll pay them $700 million, but we'll
• 37:31
  make it back in two years. But you know who was the 1st to
• 37:35
  do that right? MJ.
• 37:37
  Oh, for sure, Yeah. They like there was there was
• 37:40
  no, there's no other force in the world like MJ.
• 37:44
  They look at Jordan still. This day we'll we'll watch these
• 37:47
  sneaker videos on YouTube. That's insane.
• 37:49
  And like, but the resale markets insane.
• 37:53
  Some of these shoe stores in LA, they'll come in, sell these.
• 37:56
  Jordan, would you? Pay A. $1000 No I.
• 37:59
  Here's. Here's what I figured out.
• 38:00
  I These are $9 shoes from Walmart because I destroy $9
• 38:07
  shoes from Walmart. Exactly the same as $200 Nike.
• 38:10
  So it doesn't matter to me someone makes one of my shoes, I
• 38:13
  go, I don't care. I actually.
• 38:14
  Think those are slick shoes? They're super comfortable and
• 38:18
  they're like $9, so whatever. I'm I'm the same way I can't but
• 38:23
  I think the videos are entertaining.
• 38:25
  Those sneaker videos like I think they are entertaining the
• 38:27
  another great YouTube is whistling Diesel.
• 38:30
  You ever watch this stuff? Is that Oh no, that's heavy duty
• 38:35
  spark. No, he's a guy who wreck wrecks
• 38:38
  Lambos and. Gosh Sponsor.
• 38:40
  Trucks and shit. Have you seen them?
• 38:42
  No, I'm not. Dude, so he goes to the sneaker.
• 38:44
  It's just a reckless use of money.
• 38:47
  What a life where you just get to wreck Lamborghinis.
• 38:50
  Yeah, so he'll do, just do it, giveaway.
• 38:52
  My favorite one he did is like the sneaker community is like,
• 38:55
  it's like that's like God bro, like this sneakers.
• 38:59
  He goes into this high end sneaker show store selling
• 39:02
  Jordans and shit and he buys like a one of fifty of those
• 39:06
  self lacing Nikes and I think he bought them for like 60 grand in
• 39:10
  the video. Is that the one where it's from?
• 39:14
  From back-to-back to the Future. So he buys an authentic pair at
• 39:18
  the store, gets the whole card, everything.
• 39:21
  It's like I said, there's not that many of them.
• 39:23
  And then the next clip, he's like walking across nails and
• 39:26
  stuff, like like nails pointing out of the thing.
• 39:29
  He's walking across fire, like just like torching these shoes.
• 39:34
  But so many people eat up the comments because, like, you
• 39:37
  know, it's probably a lot of haters.
• 39:40
  Oh, it I I can guarantee 75% haters, but it doesn't.
• 39:44
  He does not care. Because the more haters, the
• 39:47
  more traffic. Dude, he rolled Jake Paul into
• 39:51
  one of his boxing fights on a tank.
• 39:55
  So he drove one of his tanks with Jake Paul into the boxing
• 39:59
  ring. That guy is insane.
• 40:03
  I can't even picture using money that when you've got so much
• 40:08
  that you can just literally like you could start your fire with
• 40:13
  your 100 or $1000. Pills.
• 40:15
  I think a lot of that too, is probably the snowball effect,
• 40:18
  where people know that he do it and so they just give him stuff
• 40:20
  for free to destroy so he doesn't have to.
• 40:23
  It's not on his dime. And they know it's kind of new
• 40:26
  berserk views, you know. So I think like we were talking
• 40:30
  about it the other day, I'd be curious your thoughts on this
• 40:32
  since you know you also edit, make content, but what
• 40:37
  advertisers pay a ton of money for is for views like ultimately
• 40:42
  like that's why Super Bowl ads cost a tremendous amount.
• 40:47
  So it's not necessarily for the person or the product or it it
• 40:53
  really comes down to you. If you're promoting a product,
• 40:55
  you want to spend the money where it's going to get the most
• 40:58
  views. I would views maybe if views
• 41:05
  equal revenue share yes. Because you could have some
• 41:11
  something where some something gets a ton of views IE Kid Rock
• 41:16
  and then things plummet. So I would think I I think that
• 41:19
  they pay for ultimately they like money money talks they pay
• 41:23
  for if if somebody is if someone is popular and and this is where
• 41:30
  I think that it's it's weird to watch corporate or mainstream
• 41:37
  media because they don't they think they're still the most
• 41:44
  popular thing around there but then that's unbelievable.
• 41:47
  You realize that it it's like they don't they're not even
• 41:50
  aware that like Jake Jake Paul exists.
• 41:53
  So they'll just like when when they talk about like somebody
• 41:56
  like Jake Paul or something like that they'll be like oh a
• 41:58
  YouTube who got it a YouTube got into boxing like love it.
• 42:02
  It's just that's so yeah they are so unaware of what happens
• 42:06
  but I I think that they they advertise or they ultimately
• 42:12
  they do that for a result. It is.
• 42:16
  It is results driven, whether that's views or they want it to,
• 42:20
  they want it to equal money. It just seems like, I agree, of
• 42:23
  course it's results driven, but it seems the result they base
• 42:26
  mostly off views. The only reason I think that is
• 42:29
  because the Super Bowl demands so much money for the ads and
• 42:34
  they sell out like they have no problem selling them out, you
• 42:36
  know, but there's. Only there's only a limited
• 42:39
  number and. Well, that's where I think it's.
• 42:41
  Finite, yeah. It's it's a a tie, like set
• 42:43
  between the the two things because it's not just the views,
• 42:48
  but it's because, you know, Super Bowl ads are notoriously
• 42:51
  known for being iconic. Yeah, so people are extra.
• 42:55
  Engaged, too. Yeah.
• 42:56
  So, like, if you can, you know, make a banger Super Bowl ad,
• 43:04
  that thing's going to be talked about for weeks on end.
• 43:06
  And then the, you know, it's not just your ad that gets seen by
• 43:13
  billions of people. But then, you know, your ad gets
• 43:16
  turned into memes. Your ad gets used in other
• 43:18
  people's YouTube videos. Your ad gets talked about on
• 43:21
  podcast. Your ad gets talked about on the
• 43:23
  news. And so you're you made one
• 43:27
  really expensive ad that got a million bajillion views, but now
• 43:32
  it's turned into hundreds of thousands of free views because
• 43:37
  people spin your ads. So that's why I think probably
• 43:41
  people use do that like Super Bowl prime example, but ads and.
• 43:47
  And and another thing too, with doing a Super Bowl ad is
• 43:51
  immediately you're in pop culture.
• 43:53
  It's the minute it comes out, it's it's pop culture because
• 43:56
  people are tweeting about it right away, you know?
• 44:00
  So there's nowhere else like if you do an ad on Dateline NBC
• 44:04
  that's not in pop culture. No one's watching that, you
• 44:07
  know. I think there is the law of
• 44:11
  diminishing returns for that though as well like I I I think
• 44:14
  that a lot of those commercials have the the price has out
• 44:21
  outdone what it what the price should do.
• 44:26
  Because, I mean, when when you think about what the Super Bowls
• 44:29
  used to be, I mean there was a point where it was all about the
• 44:33
  game. And then there was a point where
• 44:35
  like, all this crazy stuff happened around the Super Bowl,
• 44:38
  like Justin Timberlake ripping the jacks.
• 44:41
  Like, yeah, and and then and then it it got to a point where.
• 44:45
  Miley Cyrus dancing with the crazy and then Katy Perry with
• 44:50
  the sharks. It became a meme.
• 44:51
  Yeah, I see what you're saying. Like it's kind of changed.
• 44:54
  What the? Yeah, and so and, but, but even
• 44:58
  then like the the ads got more and more ridiculous, but they
• 45:03
  got more and more ridiculous. So people started watching the
• 45:05
  ads for the ridiculousness and then it got so ridiculous that
• 45:08
  like, it does the excitement over the ads waned a little bit
• 45:12
  and then now it's sort of hit an equilibrium.
• 45:15
  But the prices keep going up for that to a ridiculous amount and
• 45:20
  I don't, I don't think that they do as much as as people think
• 45:26
  they do. I I I've obviously don't have
• 45:28
  any numbers to back that up. But I mean when you used to look
• 45:31
  at Super Bowl ads, it used to be it, it used to be crazy, the
• 45:36
  amount of engagement you could get on that.
• 45:38
  But but now, I mean I don't remember a single Super Bowl
• 45:41
  Bowl ad. I'm sorry, the problem.
• 45:42
  Is there's so much I I mean I remember a couple, but I think
• 45:46
  the difference is nowadays I think any sort of content is
• 45:51
  tough for from an advertiser's perspective because there's so
• 45:56
  much content in the world now. I mean, you got, you know, you
• 46:02
  can listen to stuff on Spotify, walk into the car, you get to
• 46:05
  the car, you might pop a YouTube video on your, you know, on.
• 46:08
  The thing there's. And then you get home.
• 46:11
  Music or Apple podcast or whatever and whatever other
• 46:14
  podcast there are. And then all the other social
• 46:16
  media platforms, And then YouTube.
• 46:20
  What's the new? What's the joke about it?
• 46:22
  Noah starts with P, where everybody puts their more
• 46:28
  scandalous content. Patreon.
• 46:31
  Patreon. Patreon or only fans?
• 46:35
  But like, I think that because there's such a like a huge,
• 46:39
  never ending flow of content, I agree with you, it's kind of
• 46:42
  like you blow that much money and then it's like your contents
• 46:46
  just down the river. And that's where you get a guy
• 46:48
  crashing a plane on purpose. Or some shit.
• 46:51
  Yeah, right. Like, because you know it's
• 46:52
  going to get traction. But again, even something like
• 46:55
  that, you can get the wildest piece of footage, dude, the
• 46:58
  wildest shit. And it'll be done in two weeks.
• 47:01
  I think the reason why companies buy the Super Bowl ads and of
• 47:07
  course the pricing on the Super Bowl ad varies based off of what
• 47:12
  quarter you're going to be in and the timing of all that stuff
• 47:15
  like around the halftime show. I think they're they're higher
• 47:19
  because people are, you know, stuff like that exactly.
• 47:22
  I think a lot of those companies feel like it is worth it for if
• 47:28
  that viral moment happens right before or after their
• 47:34
  commercial. I'll give you an example.
• 47:36
  So you're a baseball guy. Yeah.
• 47:38
  You remember when Bo Jackson was, you know, coming up and he
• 47:41
  was A2 Sport star, and then he, he was on the Kansas City Royals
• 47:45
  and then they did the All Star game.
• 47:47
  Well, they did. They were in the middle of the
• 47:52
  All Star game and then it was right before he was about to do
• 47:55
  his first at bat. And then the commercial.
• 47:59
  Bonos plays this famous commercial that he had with I
• 48:05
  think Nike for the trainers. The second he gets back from
• 48:09
  that commercial, he cranks a fucking home run.
• 48:13
  Yeah, And it was just the most, it was the most perfect segue
• 48:18
  from advertising to real life that anyone had ever seen.
• 48:23
  And it was, it was the crazy. It was viral before.
• 48:26
  It was before viral was even. Yeah, the Internet wouldn't even
• 48:29
  like a Yeah, dude, that's. I feel like that.
• 48:32
  I feel like for a lot of companies it is worth it if like
• 48:35
  you know. Just off catching lightning in a
• 48:37
  bottle maybe. And I mean also these companies
• 48:40
  that are buying these commercials are doing so much
• 48:43
  revenue, they're like they don't care if it gets a return so
• 48:46
  much. Yeah, it's more about like being
• 48:48
  in the social landscape, I think, which also brings me back
• 48:52
  to our treat. See, I'm bringing it back.
• 48:54
  Yeah. This guy shoots a pink elite.
• 48:57
  So when we were talking about 3 and you getting into Target way
• 49:01
  back in the beginning of this, I wanted to ask them the
• 49:03
  conversation ventured elsewhere ADHD but so did that bow.
• 49:09
  Like does Elite, it offers that color bow.
• 49:13
  They don't anymore. I'm hoping to bring it back.
• 49:17
  Elite doesn't know I exist, but it's fine.
• 49:20
  Be the reason I would My first bow was an elite and I sold it
• 49:25
  when James convinced me you know go Bo tech and I did it and I
• 49:28
  do. I do like mine, but I you know,
• 49:33
  if they brought back I would probably switch to Elite in a
• 49:38
  harp. I'm.
• 49:42
  Sorry, that is his. Like the second I saw you post
• 49:46
  that bow, I was like, Oh my God, I just fell in love.
• 49:52
  This is the most beautiful bow I've ever seen in my life.
• 49:55
  It is the police bow. Yeah, it.
• 49:57
  Is a. Beautiful pink.
• 49:59
  It's not like hot pink. It's not like, you know, I was
• 50:03
  weird like salmon or like, I don't know.
• 50:05
  It's just. No, it's pretty.
• 50:07
  It is beautiful. It's.
• 50:08
  Called Sunset Pink. And it.
• 50:11
  Is it is the most beautiful bow. Ever.
• 50:13
  All right, so here's my question.
• 50:14
  One thing I kind of like about David is he does videos and
• 50:18
  he's, I love the color grading you've been posting lately.
• 50:22
  Use Da Vinci for color or I do Da Vinci.
• 50:24
  OK, here's the thing. I like his shit because he uses
• 50:29
  different gear than a lot of people kind of like me.
• 50:31
  I don't use like nobody. Like not too many people use
• 50:34
  these yet. More and more, but and same with
• 50:37
  the arrows. But like or the Bowtech even
• 50:40
  like, not a ton of people shoot Bowtech.
• 50:42
  So I like that you shoot Elite. The release that you shoot, I
• 50:45
  don't see a ton of people shoot. Why do you shoot Elite number
• 50:50
  one. And then the release, I know you
• 50:52
  love, 'cause I see you posting about it.
• 50:53
  What, like, got you into shooting those?
• 50:56
  Why do you like them? Like, why do you like some of
• 50:58
  the gear that you like? There are two very long stories
• 51:02
  for both the release and the bow.
• 51:04
  OK, I will attempt to shorten that.
• 51:06
  All right. Yeah, OK, give me the four
• 51:09
  minute version. For the bow, OK we went to hike
• 51:14
  to hunt two years ago and it's it's up in Flagstaff, AZ and
• 51:21
  it's in the middle of July so you go from 114° to 70° as a
• 51:26
  high in six hours. So you get up there and my my
• 51:32
  buddy and I went up there together and we go out in the
• 51:36
  trails with I've got my crappiest set of boots on.
• 51:39
  I've got, I think these, which are again, like Walmart pants
• 51:44
  because I go through pants, especially in the crotch
• 51:46
  portion, like crazy. I rip.
• 51:49
  I rip pants open like crazy. So I I buy cheap pants.
• 51:51
  But. Big a hog.
• 51:53
  Yeah, you know, no, just just just legs that rub together.
• 51:58
  And I'm. I'm in a T-shirt.
• 52:01
  Yeah. I'm in a T-shirt with my 8 year
• 52:04
  old beau and you know we're we're out there and we roll up
• 52:08
  there and we are in the middle of what looks like, I don't
• 52:15
  know, I could only be it could only be described as like the
• 52:18
  Monaco of the hunting world we had.
• 52:21
  There are $150,000 GMCS rolling up with lift kits, everybody
• 52:26
  getting out with $3000 worth of Sitka $400.00 crispy booze.
• 52:32
  They've got the latest Bose, they've got all the latest
• 52:34
  gadgets and it was everybody and and Fritz, my buddy and I are
• 52:39
  looking at each other like. With more outcasts.
• 52:42
  Right now, Well, not even that. We were just like, these guys
• 52:44
  must be like really good and. We.
• 52:49
  We get on the course and this guy, it is July.
• 52:54
  It's. I want to make it clear it's
• 52:56
  July. There's nothing in hunting
• 52:58
  season. Nothing in season.
• 53:00
  And this dude is dressed head to toe in Sitka.
• 53:04
  He has the entire neck gaiter. The only thing you can see are
• 53:08
  his eyeballs. He has an.
• 53:10
  He has a Hoyt RX7 was. It Halloween.
• 53:13
  Oh my God, He had a Hoyt RX7 crispy boots.
• 53:16
  And so we're shooting a, A AA60 yard shot at AI don't know, a
• 53:23
  big a big elk target. It was not a difficult shot.
• 53:28
  And so we shoot and he goes, he goes, Oh yeah, yeah, go ahead
• 53:31
  goes. I'm going to, I'm going to move
• 53:32
  up. And I was like, are you fucking
• 53:34
  kidding me? You're going to move up dressed
• 53:36
  like that? You're going to move.
• 53:38
  You're going to move up to like what?
• 53:39
  40 He has his $400.00 sitcom outfit.
• 53:42
  Off I was like this is. Ridiculous.
• 53:44
  This is. Ridiculous.
• 53:45
  And my buddy was on the, my buddy was on another trail and
• 53:48
  he's dressed in jeans. He's a good old boy.
• 53:50
  You know, he like and he's with this, he's with this other group
• 53:55
  and they were nice guys. But you know this dude was
• 53:58
  talking himself up and you know Fritz was there.
• 54:01
  He's, he's talking to him and he's like, and the other guy's
• 54:03
  like, Yep, got mule deer with a boat 80 yards last year.
• 54:07
  Got him right through the heart, you know.
• 54:09
  And and Chris is like, damn, dude, that's fucking crazy, man.
• 54:12
  I wouldn't take a shot at more than like 50 with my skills.
• 54:16
  And so they go to a they go to a shot at at 40 yards.
• 54:20
  Fritz hits like an 8 and he's like it wasn't an impressive
• 54:22
  shot, dude. Fucking missed.
• 54:25
  He's just like, no, he turns the guy around.
• 54:27
  He's like, are you fucking kidding me?
• 54:29
  80 yards. Really.
• 54:31
  Yeah. I I don't I don't believe that
• 54:32
  for a second. So anyways we get done with that
• 54:35
  and I'm I'm like I'm like these guys are fucking ridiculous like
• 54:39
  they're showing this is this is a dress up cost contest this is
• 54:43
  a dress. This is this is a this is a
• 54:46
  fashion show disguised as an archery shoot and I was like
• 54:49
  this is ridiculous. I shouldn't have been afraid of
• 54:51
  these guys. You know I was we were we were
• 54:53
  super you know we got super intimidated immediately We we
• 54:57
  should not have and that taught me a lesson.
• 54:59
  But I my, my hunting bow got messed up and I had to restrain
• 55:04
  and I had to get new limbs. I had to do all that.
• 55:08
  So I was down a bow and so we get to Sunday fun day and this
• 55:12
  was like a this was like a year afterwards and my my buddy is
• 55:16
  shooting his Copper echelon Elite Echelon.
• 55:20
  And I was and I was like, I don't know what I'm going to do.
• 55:22
  So I, I went out to film and my buddy dump was like, hey, why
• 55:26
  don't you shoot my echelon? You know, we can shoot it
• 55:28
  together. Our draw length there's pretty
• 55:30
  much similar. And I was like cool, This is a
• 55:32
  little bit shorter than mine. So I wasn't very comfortable,
• 55:34
  but I outshot him with his own bow that day.
• 55:39
  And I was like, this thing is really nice and it has a solid
• 55:43
  back wall which I like to crank on the back wall.
• 55:46
  Has a very firm back wall for. Very firm back wall and I was
• 55:49
  like this is, this is really nice.
• 55:50
  So we get we get to do our podcast and Scotty he goes, hey
• 55:58
  podium Archer is selling elite echelons on on eBay and he goes,
• 56:03
  hey I have the perfect one for you.
• 56:04
  And I was like, OK and he shows me and it's the sunset pink bow.
• 56:08
  And I was like, I immediate was like, oh, I have an idea you go
• 56:12
  to these archery shoots with all of these dudes dressed.
• 56:16
  Yeah exactly. And then you show up with a pink
• 56:18
  bow and smoke them. How just emasculating would that
• 56:25
  just be to everybody there? And you will smoke them.
• 56:28
  They've been a good shooter, real good shooter.
• 56:31
  So I mean that's for sure. And I've gotten better since
• 56:35
  I've gotten that bow, but it hasn't generated the the
• 56:39
  attention people go, oh, nice bow.
• 56:40
  And I'm like that's not what I'm looking.
• 56:43
  For. I'm hoping you're gonna talk
• 56:45
  shit to me and then I'm gonna go.
• 56:48
  I'll meet you out on course #1 and we'll see how this works.
• 56:50
  Just. Secretly, all men are feeling
• 56:52
  the same. Thing.
• 56:54
  That you were when you saw the bow.
• 56:56
  They're actually like, damn, not.
• 57:00
  Which they? Just don't want to say it.
• 57:02
  So they're like, yeah, that's nice, you know?
• 57:04
  Quick segue before we get into the the release.
• 57:08
  Also he mentioned podium marcher.
• 57:10
  If you use CODE PUMP STATION ALL CAPS on podiummarcher.com 10%
• 57:14
  off. So you know, shout out to Josh
• 57:17
  again. We're shooting together at tax
• 57:19
  so we'll see. It should be fun.
• 57:20
  The people voted for him pretty heavily to win.
• 57:22
  They did. We'll see.
• 57:26
  By the way, that elite echelon on that he was selling on eBay,
• 57:30
  that's how much I paid for it. 1500.
• 57:33
  No, no, no 500. Bucks.
• 57:35
  Oh, oh, it's eBay. It's not like 500 bucks like.
• 57:38
  320. Five.
• 57:39
  Let's go. Oh, yes.
• 57:42
  Yeah. That's smart, though.
• 57:43
  I think Bruce should do that. I tell Bruce all the time I
• 57:45
  might. I think some of the 11 let.
• 57:47
  Me, no one buys and just put. It on eBay.
• 57:50
  It was a six year old, 6 year old technology, unopened box,
• 57:57
  elite echelon. So it's brand new.
• 57:59
  Yeah. And it's been.
• 58:02
  Sitting forever in the shop, so you might as well just, yeah,
• 58:05
  take a little while, my. Elite.
• 58:07
  Yeah, she used to be Elite Girl. But tell me about these
• 58:09
  releases. What are they called B3.
• 58:11
  Yes, so tell. Me about that.
• 58:13
  I like hinge releases. I've haunted with a hinge
• 58:16
  before. I don't mind them.
• 58:22
  So I I I started off like everybody does with an index.
• 58:27
  And then struggle with target panic and punching the trigger
• 58:31
  and stuff like that. And then I was like, oh, this
• 58:35
  will solve it. I'll just get a thumb button for
• 58:37
  220. Dollars.
• 58:39
  Anything. And it does not solve anything.
• 58:41
  You can punch a thumb just as much as you can punch an index.
• 58:45
  I don't ever know why people say, you know and the next step
• 58:49
  up is to go thumb versus. Index.
• 58:51
  They are the same. Because it's the same car.
• 58:55
  Step shooting with back tension. Or like surprise release Joel
• 58:59
  Turner. That's twice in a row right
• 59:01
  here. I like it, though.
• 59:02
  I still. It is.
• 59:03
  I do too, yeah. But if you're shooting like Joel
• 59:06
  Joel Turner, you know, surprise, surprise, release.
• 59:11
  Shooting this versus a wrist rocket finger release makes no
• 59:14
  difference. That's.
• 59:16
  Style of shooting. It's not a release style.
• 59:20
  I'm. Just.
• 59:21
  I'm glad that you mentioned Jill Turner because I get a lot from
• 59:27
  his teachings as well as from John Dudley.
• 59:30
  So it was originally John Dudley I switched to cause 'cause it
• 59:35
  was like it it worked at first. It worked at first because you
• 59:39
  switched something up. So the things that you were
• 59:42
  anticipating with an index, you're not anticipating anymore
• 59:45
  and it's and it's surprising you which means that you're getting
• 59:48
  better consistency but then you start to get used to that and
• 59:52
  then it's it happens all over again.
• 59:55
  So I was not happy with what I was doing and it was July and
• 1:00:00
  hunting season for bow in Ohio starts usually on September 29th
• 1:00:05
  somewhere around there and it goes till February 2nd.
• 1:00:08
  Anytime in between there, you can kill a deer with a bow.
• 1:00:11
  Anywhere in Ohio, does not matter what the season is.
• 1:00:14
  You can kill a deer with a bow from September 29th to February
• 1:00:17
  2nd. It's awesome that.
• 1:00:19
  Is cool, yeah. Yes.
• 1:00:20
  And so I was like, you know what, I'm not comfortable with
• 1:00:26
  my current shot process to to smoke a deer.
• 1:00:31
  I'm going to injure it. I'm going to miss, you know, I'm
• 1:00:33
  not comfortable. So I made the decision to
• 1:00:35
  completely and totally breakdown my shot process from from
• 1:00:40
  ground, from ground up and hopefully get it by September.
• 1:00:45
  And you know if it doesn't happen by September, I've got
• 1:00:48
  till February 2nd to do it. So I watched a whole bunch of
• 1:00:51
  John Dudley videos where he's talking about hinge releases and
• 1:00:54
  stuff like that and I tried to and I I decided to try that out
• 1:00:58
  and I liked it at first. My groups did open up, but I
• 1:01:02
  didn't have any Flyers. And also it's it's weird.
• 1:01:10
  A weird thing happens with a a hinge release where when you're
• 1:01:16
  experiencing like a lot of target panic, your your pin will
• 1:01:20
  sit completely rock steady, like just below 3 inches below the
• 1:01:26
  target. So then you're like, Oh, well,
• 1:01:27
  I'll just move my pin to or I'll just move my yardage to where
• 1:01:32
  it's. But once you get into something
• 1:01:34
  where you're ranging, you're never going to remember that
• 1:01:36
  you're going to do the wrong yardage and it's just, it's not,
• 1:01:39
  it's not good. And then you end up like trying
• 1:01:41
  to like lift it up and dump it and it just doesn't work.
• 1:01:45
  But when I was using a hinge release and specifically
• 1:01:48
  focusing on the target and not the pin, so the pin the pin is a
• 1:01:52
  little bit fuzzy and the target is crystal clear.
• 1:01:56
  I found that my that my pin rose up to the target but it just
• 1:02:03
  floated around. Stuff like that.
• 1:02:04
  But it floated around the target and that was good enough for me.
• 1:02:08
  So then I went through hunting season and I did pretty well.
• 1:02:13
  I killed 1 deer and then missed. AI missed the biggest buck that
• 1:02:17
  I would have ever I would have ever had.
• 1:02:20
  It was a it was he was a he was a big he was a big six pointer
• 1:02:24
  and I have it on video of me. I actually aimed below the deer,
• 1:02:29
  and if you've never haunted in Ohio, they all jump the string
• 1:02:33
  they all like. This one didn't.
• 1:02:34
  And it's no it it did And he went.
• 1:02:37
  He went all the way down. I his His belly must have
• 1:02:40
  touched the. Ground.
• 1:02:41
  I've had that once, yeah. And it it was it was crazy.
• 1:02:44
  There was nothing I could do. No, there was nothing I could
• 1:02:46
  do. Not there, no.
• 1:02:47
  I missed 2 deer that year to to jump in the string and there's
• 1:02:53
  really nothing you could do. But in in the stand I with with
• 1:03:00
  the hinge release that pin I was able to freeze the deer with a
• 1:03:04
  you know, like that and he kind of like looked up and stood
• 1:03:07
  there. It was perfect.
• 1:03:08
  Everything was perfect. And then I got back and started
• 1:03:11
  my rotation and that pin never moved from where I wanted it to
• 1:03:14
  be and it just broke so clean and I was very I was very
• 1:03:19
  pleased with the actual shot but just the result just didn't
• 1:03:23
  happen. Yeah, and it.
• 1:03:24
  Was the shot was good? The shot was good.
• 1:03:26
  Everything about it was good. That's different.
• 1:03:29
  Yeah, that's much different than missing and been.
• 1:03:32
  Like, yeah, I don't know. But now that you mentioned Joel
• 1:03:35
  Turner, I started to watch his videos and there is a video and
• 1:03:39
  there's a famous video where Elk shake first Dan from LJ first
• 1:03:44
  introduces him and it Joel Turner just talks shit to all of
• 1:03:48
  them. It's really funny and it's
• 1:03:50
  awesome. Recent one with him MFJ No,
• 1:03:52
  it's. Old.
• 1:03:52
  It's old. It's the first time I ever saw.
• 1:03:55
  I ever saw him. I think I saw.
• 1:03:56
  That video, it's like in a backyard or something.
• 1:03:59
  No, it's it's at it's at podium. Archer.
• 1:04:01
  Oh, is it? Yeah, I.
• 1:04:02
  Don't think I've seen that one then.
• 1:04:03
  The one in his backyard though the one in Dan's backyard where
• 1:04:07
  where his where his child like crafts himself in the.
• 1:04:09
  Video The funny one. There's a part in that video,
• 1:04:14
  and I can't believe that Joel hasn't asked him to take it down
• 1:04:17
  because this is my secret to everything.
• 1:04:22
  There's a point where he asks Dan, he he gets him to use the
• 1:04:27
  like, like build pressure, build pressure, build pressure, build
• 1:04:30
  pressure and do that. He does it a bunch of times and
• 1:04:34
  there's a point where he asks Dan to stand on one leg and he
• 1:04:39
  does and he stands on one leg. He executes shot and he's like,
• 1:04:41
  that was crazy. Like I I couldn't get anything
• 1:04:44
  going. He's like, OK, next time stand
• 1:04:46
  on one leg. The only thing I want you to
• 1:04:48
  focus on is what you're doing with this hand back here.
• 1:04:52
  And so he focuses and and in the shot before he couldn't get his
• 1:04:56
  leg to stand still. It was like crazy.
• 1:04:58
  He couldn't. It was it was not working.
• 1:05:01
  And then he, he tried the second shot and the only thing he
• 1:05:04
  focused on was this right here and getting that released to
• 1:05:08
  like, you know, pull, pull, pull, pull, pull, pull until it
• 1:05:12
  went off. And he, he asked Dan, he's like,
• 1:05:14
  what did you feel? And he's like my leg went
• 1:05:18
  completely and totally still rock solid.
• 1:05:21
  And he's like, yes, because you're focusing on something
• 1:05:24
  else. Your brain knows how to
• 1:05:27
  stabilize yourself. Your brain knows how to do that
• 1:05:31
  very, very well. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:05:32
  If the only thing you're focusing on is the stability of
• 1:05:36
  this leg, it's going to go all over the place.
• 1:05:38
  You're having to concentrate it on and stuff like that.
• 1:05:40
  If you're if you give your brain something to do other than
• 1:05:44
  stabilize yourself, your subconscious will learn to
• 1:05:48
  stabilize the like. Your subconscious will take over
• 1:05:52
  and and and do the rest for you. And although his pin was flying
• 1:05:56
  all over the place, I that was a light bulb for me to where it
• 1:06:03
  like obviously when we're shooting, we're standing, you
• 1:06:06
  know, and at a completely solid position most of the time.
• 1:06:10
  And even when we're hunting, we're not standing on one leg
• 1:06:13
  where we've got our legs underneath us.
• 1:06:15
  We're we're rock solid and still.
• 1:06:18
  But that whole thing where the only thing you're focusing on is
• 1:06:21
  what's happening in this hand right here.
• 1:06:24
  And that's why I do something weird with my release and I
• 1:06:27
  brought it maybe yes. So I brought it and I can I do
• 1:06:31
  this with a thumb button as well as I went to the zoo today so I
• 1:06:37
  do. I shoot it.
• 1:06:38
  I shoot a thumb button exactly like I do a hinge.
• 1:06:41
  So I've got I've got this all the way back here and then I
• 1:06:45
  touch my thumb to my index finger and then I rotate it back
• 1:06:49
  and pull at the same time and then this is actually what
• 1:06:53
  activates this. This part of my thumb is what
• 1:06:55
  actually activates the the, the trigger.
• 1:06:58
  So you know it's it's a complete, complete surprise
• 1:07:01
  shot. That's why.
• 1:07:02
  That's why you'll see my arm come back like crazy because I'm
• 1:07:06
  pulling against back wall. But when you focus on what's
• 1:07:11
  going back here and you focus on that rotation, you'll find that
• 1:07:15
  your pin will all of a sudden go from a float to just rock solid
• 1:07:20
  and it'll just float just around the middle of the target.
• 1:07:24
  And then like it. It was a light bulb for me and I
• 1:07:28
  took that where he made him stand on one leg.
• 1:07:32
  And basically that's that's what I glean from his, from his
• 1:07:36
  teachings. I think with Joel Turner,
• 1:07:38
  there's a marketing aspect where he does, he does a whole bunch
• 1:07:43
  and he's very good at it and he's he's got a team and stuff
• 1:07:46
  like that. But like his practical
• 1:07:48
  demonstrations are where the rubber meets the road with his,
• 1:07:52
  with his techniques and stuff like that.
• 1:07:54
  He'll he'll say a whole bunch of shit on his Instagram channel
• 1:07:57
  and on his Instagram videos where I I the words are too big
• 1:08:01
  and I don't understand. But his practical demonstrations
• 1:08:05
  are incredible. Nick was just talking about
• 1:08:09
  buying his like his class or whatever you can buy on his
• 1:08:12
  website just to like see if he could get anything out of it
• 1:08:17
  because I mean I have what you're explaining, like it's
• 1:08:21
  just always been the way I shoot.
• 1:08:23
  I have tried to fix it. You know, we fixed my draw.
• 1:08:25
  I used to draw like this. Now I draw normal.
• 1:08:27
  And the one thing that I've just not been able to get past it is
• 1:08:30
  like there are sometimes when I will, you know for the most part
• 1:08:36
  load it enough that you know I'm not commanding the shot.
• 1:08:40
  And I would say 80% at least of the time I am just.
• 1:08:45
  And I find that I don't know if it's because it's a habit I've
• 1:08:49
  created that I am more repetitive or accurate in my
• 1:08:53
  shop by commanding, punching, whatever the trigger.
• 1:08:57
  But like you say like out here completely unsteady, like it
• 1:09:03
  takes a lot. So you'll see, it takes me
• 1:09:04
  forever before I let off the shop because I'm sitting there
• 1:09:07
  like, stay still, stay still. So I don't know, maybe it would
• 1:09:11
  help if I buy Joel Turner's thing or watch some of the
• 1:09:13
  videos. I don't know, try a hinge or
• 1:09:15
  something. I have never been able to get
• 1:09:18
  rid of it. And then I'm like leery of
• 1:09:19
  hinges because, like how you're explaining, you know, thumb is
• 1:09:23
  no different really than an index.
• 1:09:25
  Like some people explain it or Matt even explains it with his
• 1:09:29
  thumb. You know, they'll get that hinge
• 1:09:30
  in their hand. And like how you're saying you
• 1:09:32
  kind of like start the rotation, but then some people will just
• 1:09:36
  teach it like, well, when you you rotate the wrist.
• 1:09:39
  But I think that's like, I don't know.
• 1:09:42
  To me it's like, well then you're not really like using the
• 1:09:44
  back tension to surprise the shot.
• 1:09:46
  You're just setting off the trigger by rotating the wrist.
• 1:09:49
  It's still a trigger. It's still a command, so.
• 1:09:53
  Yeah. You.
• 1:09:53
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:09:54
  So then I'm like, well, would I just create my same habit when I
• 1:09:58
  switch to trying to hinge, you know, I don't know what will
• 1:10:01
  ever make me get rid of it to the point where I'm like, I'm
• 1:10:04
  just not going to get rid, you know, I'm just gonna keep
• 1:10:06
  shooting that way. Well, I think what's important
• 1:10:08
  to remember is there is some of the best Archers in the world
• 1:10:16
  punch and triggers. They're command shooters.
• 1:10:19
  And I don't think that's like, I think there's kind of become
• 1:10:22
  this thing in archery where if it's like like you're a command
• 1:10:24
  shooter, people are like you're. Yeah, you're like you're.
• 1:10:28
  Trash. Or whatever, 'cause you're
• 1:10:30
  punching, it's like, yeah, well, I'll also shoot way better than
• 1:10:32
  you. So like, what matters more, you
• 1:10:35
  know? But I thought that what David
• 1:10:38
  showed with that was amazing because I've shot this same
• 1:10:42
  release literally for like 20 years.
• 1:10:44
  I love it. I my backup one's the same, but
• 1:10:46
  it's the new version that Carter made.
• 1:10:48
  I don't like it nearly as much Thicker, heavier.
• 1:10:51
  But dude, my process, the exact same drawback.
• 1:10:53
  And I freaking touch here to here.
• 1:10:56
  And then I'll start to like you said, I'll just this release
• 1:11:00
  actually because it's so old now.
• 1:11:01
  It has like a little point where I can get the, it doesn't even
• 1:11:04
  happen every time, but I kind of like that where I can get the
• 1:11:07
  barrel to move just slightly like an 816th of an inch, but I
• 1:11:12
  feel it. And then it's like it's kind of
• 1:11:13
  like a click and I go OK and then sometimes it won't happen,
• 1:11:18
  but either way I'm always trying to find that movement and then
• 1:11:20
  if it doesn't happen. It's crazy.
• 1:11:22
  I don't like yours. You don't even.
• 1:11:24
  See. It doesn't even move.
• 1:11:25
  Yeah, like it's it's so it's nothing, but I do the same exact
• 1:11:29
  thing you said and just get get there.
• 1:11:32
  Carter Carter's are so clean they just don't like they just
• 1:11:34
  don't move and and I like V3 because they've got excellent
• 1:11:38
  hinges and they're super lightweight and and and stuff
• 1:11:43
  like that but you you really made a good point there in that
• 1:11:50
  like there are command shooters out there who they don't have
• 1:11:55
  these problems but I do. I can't.
• 1:11:58
  Shoot like that and I figured that out.
• 1:12:01
  Is is that like if I try to shoot like that I will?
• 1:12:07
  No, that's a button. I was.
• 1:12:08
  I was like you. You.
• 1:12:10
  Hit that? Perfect.
• 1:12:11
  I I there's you hit that perfect.
• 1:12:14
  I'm not Cameron Haynes. I can't do what he does when he
• 1:12:18
  when he or. Something.
• 1:12:19
  Yeah, when he when he shoots, nothing moves.
• 1:12:22
  That's see and I can do that. So I always shot that way.
• 1:12:26
  Like I'll come back and I come to here and I rap just like you
• 1:12:30
  and and I would say most of the time I would call myself like a
• 1:12:34
  9010 shooter. I'll draw back.
• 1:12:36
  But like you said my pin, I've never in my whole life hopefully
• 1:12:41
  knock on wood. I've never struggled with pin
• 1:12:43
  movement. Like my pin doesn't move.
• 1:12:45
  It just sits there. So I draw back and it sits and
• 1:12:48
  then I need 0 pressure and boom, it goes off.
• 1:12:51
  You know, even if I maybe anticipated it sometimes, I'm
• 1:12:55
  still not moving. I'm not yanking and hitting A5.
• 1:12:58
  It's like going home unless I hit low or whatever, you know?
• 1:13:03
  But like, my shots are pure. You can watch it in slow MO I do
• 1:13:06
  not move. But nowadays, because everyone's
• 1:13:10
  always on your ass about surprise shots, I'm like, let me
• 1:13:13
  really, like, give this a go. So lately I've been like, like I
• 1:13:17
  said, trying to like actually feel the trigger that doesn't
• 1:13:20
  move. I try to, like, feel it actually
• 1:13:23
  move and it doesn't. So then boom, A lot of times I'm
• 1:13:27
  getting those surprise shots. And what's funny is so many
• 1:13:32
  times when it goes off as a surprise, I'm like, shit, I
• 1:13:35
  broke that high. Like if my pin wasn't, I wasn't
• 1:13:38
  quite. I feel like it's high and then
• 1:13:41
  it'll actually be like right in the middle.
• 1:13:45
  There's. Or slightly.
• 1:13:46
  High There's a competitive shooter that I, I listen to talk
• 1:13:50
  on the Lancaster archery classic where you've got like the best
• 1:13:55
  shooters in the world shooting that classic and and to hear a
• 1:13:59
  competitive Archer like talk about how well you know you just
• 1:14:02
  got to trust the trust the float.
• 1:14:04
  Because where that pin breaks is not necessary.
• 1:14:08
  Where where the where where the pin is when that shot breaks is
• 1:14:12
  not necessarily where that thing's going.
• 1:14:15
  That fucked with my head because then what are you supposed to
• 1:14:19
  rely on. But then you have to think what
• 1:14:24
  means more the the pin being exactly where you want it, or
• 1:14:29
  everything you're doing with your entire body on that shot.
• 1:14:32
  And I tend to lean towards if you've got everything the same
• 1:14:37
  on your on the rest of your body, your pin, like, you know,
• 1:14:41
  floating around and stuff like that is not going to mean as
• 1:14:44
  much to accuracy, accuracy and precision.
• 1:14:47
  I could be completely wrong about that, but I do know that
• 1:14:52
  when I execute a surprise shot like I don't I I can't see where
• 1:14:57
  my shot goes because it's there's so much like violence
• 1:15:01
  associated with my shot. Like everything moves and stuff
• 1:15:04
  like that. But when it's when it's good,
• 1:15:08
  there's a feeling where you just like that's it.
• 1:15:10
  And you look through your by nose and it's it's right there.
• 1:15:12
  You shoot with both eyes open. Yes.
• 1:15:14
  Me too. I've always been there.
• 1:15:16
  Me too. To wrap this to wrap my story
• 1:15:19
  about that up though the reason the reason why I got away from
• 1:15:24
  trying trying to get away from anticipatory movement which Joel
• 1:15:28
  Turner talks about and stuff like that.
• 1:15:30
  In other words flinching which I think a lot of Archers do it as
• 1:15:35
  well. It's it's the exact same
• 1:15:37
  principle I was I I during gun season Ohio I hunt with 44
• 1:15:43
  magnum pistol. Pistol is very hard to hunt with
• 1:15:46
  because it's you don't have you're not as steady you're
• 1:15:48
  shooting off of a stick or you're shooting like just
• 1:15:52
  offhand and 44 magnum is no slouch of around especially with
• 1:15:58
  the way my dad and I pistol yeah size.
• 1:16:01
  Pistol Ted used to. Do.
• 1:16:02
  Yes, dude, it's awesome. I love it.
• 1:16:05
  It makes you feel like you've got gigantic monkey balls when
• 1:16:08
  you do it. But yeah, I, you know, it's it's
• 1:16:12
  no slouch of a round and it has some.
• 1:16:14
  It has a lot of recoil. And I got my first 2 deer in
• 1:16:19
  Ohio with 44 Magnum as a young man.
• 1:16:23
  And then I got into I was always into archery, but I actually got
• 1:16:26
  into hunting or archery hunting after doing gun hunting and
• 1:16:30
  stuff like that because I wanted that whole span of time to to
• 1:16:34
  get more deer. Whereas gun season is only a
• 1:16:37
  week plus a bonus weekend. And I got my first 2 deer 4/4
• 1:16:42
  Magnum, no problem. It was great.
• 1:16:43
  It was like, Oh well, I'm fucking dead money with this
• 1:16:46
  thing, you know I can never miss.
• 1:16:48
  And then I started missing deer everywhere and I was like, this
• 1:16:53
  is ridiculous. What's going on?
• 1:16:55
  Like, did I? And everything matters.
• 1:16:57
  Your your grip, your you know. The gun.
• 1:17:01
  Like everything. So I went out to the shooting
• 1:17:03
  because. Pistols have such a short
• 1:17:04
  barrel, Yeah, so there's no forgiveness.
• 1:17:07
  Right. And I got my I got my first deer
• 1:17:09
  with 44 Magnum at like 80 yards. That's when I was like, I was
• 1:17:12
  like, oh, I'm the fucking. I'm the fucking.
• 1:17:15
  Master at any Oakley Over. Here.
• 1:17:17
  Yeah, exactly like, yeah. Elmer, Keith over here.
• 1:17:19
  And and so I went out to the range.
• 1:17:23
  I was like, there's got to be something wrong with this gun
• 1:17:26
  and there's got to be something wrong with this bow.
• 1:17:28
  There's got to be. Never shooting badge?
• 1:17:31
  Blame the equipment. Yeah.
• 1:17:33
  And so I went out to the range and something happened that
• 1:17:37
  completely and totally active fate.
• 1:17:41
  I we, my dad and I always reloaded our own 44 Magnum
• 1:17:45
  rackers. We we load hot and we had.
• 1:17:51
  I had a bad primer and I shot two shots and then the bad
• 1:17:56
  primer hit and my reticle went into the dirt.
• 1:17:58
  You flinched the shit little. Yeah, and the two loudest sounds
• 1:18:02
  are the the bang when you expect nothing to happen and nothing
• 1:18:08
  happens when you expect it to go bang.
• 1:18:10
  Those are the two loudest sounds you'll ever hear when shooting a
• 1:18:12
  gun. And my reticle went into the
• 1:18:15
  dirt and I was like, oh, OK, I know what's going on.
• 1:18:20
  So what I did. And I don't recommend you do
• 1:18:24
  this unless you're out of range and you have good, you know, you
• 1:18:31
  have good practices. But yeah.
• 1:18:33
  Someone load like 4 live rings. In one I loaded, so I would load
• 1:18:36
  one in the chamber, spin it, stop it, load another one, spin
• 1:18:40
  it, stop it, collapse the chamber, go right up.
• 1:18:45
  I couldn't see where it was. And then the only thing I would
• 1:18:48
  focus on is the trigger pull. And God damn was it hard.
• 1:18:51
  Like even when I was even even when I was focusing on it, it
• 1:18:54
  was very difficult to keep it on target.
• 1:18:56
  Not to like have it go go down. But eventually I I learned to
• 1:19:02
  just focus on that trigger pull and then to just like when it
• 1:19:05
  recoils just ride it just just just let it ride let it do what
• 1:19:09
  it wants to do bring it back down you know.
• 1:19:12
  And I was I I got it was weird. I got so good with that thing
• 1:19:16
  and I'm not good with it now just because the difference it
• 1:19:21
  you have to grip it the same every time and I got really good
• 1:19:24
  at gripping but but I got to the point where I was hitting a
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  steel target 200 yards and it was now now and it had a scope
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  on it. I will tell you though but but
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  when it got to the steel target it was barely enough to take the
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  paint off of the steel target. But I can still see the I can
• 1:19:43
  still see the little chip but I couldn't do that now but that
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  was it. That was a very powerful lesson
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  that I carried that into archery with.
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  I've done that before, where like shoot a rifle or something
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  and shooting it's just like it. It might not even move that
• 1:19:58
  much, but you feel like a little like tension, you know?
• 1:20:01
  Yeah, but hey, what a pod. Yeah, it's a good pod. 614
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  Archery. Yes.
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  Instagram, YouTube. Come to the Southwest.
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  Bow Hunter Shoot April 12th and 13th can meet the boy and
• 1:20:17
  Brianna, buy some merch and shoot a great shoot that you set
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  some targets at that or. What we're Yeah, we're going to
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  sell up a lot of targets 100. Targets.
• 1:20:24
  There you go. 100 targets. Come shoot that.
• 1:20:27
  I'm using Southwest Bow hunters.com I'm assuming.
• 1:20:30
  Yes. Southwest Bow, hunters.com And
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  then lastly Boat Cycles Challenge 2.
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  David's going to be there another guy that's going to be
• 1:20:40
  there. So come to that and subscribe to
• 1:20:44
  the pod channel. It's a bastard to make these.
• 1:20:45
  I was bitching to them, but they're so hard to make.
• 1:20:48
  So please throw me a bone, get it subscribed so we can make a
• 1:20:51
  little bit of money and not subscribe.
• 1:20:52
  Monetize and that's it. Brianna, you want to look at
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  that camera and close it out? You got anything you want to
• 1:20:58
  say? Go to cycles.com to pick up your
• 1:21:02
  tickets. Come hang out with us.
• 1:21:04
  See you in the next one. Great pod.