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The Bolt Report | 19 October · The Bolt Report

• 0:07
  Speaker 1: OK, straight to that breaking news, to that shocking news.
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  Speaker 1: As you've heard, Federal Independent MP Helen Haynes has been
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  Speaker 1: seriously injured outside her Wangaratta office in regional Victoria. We're
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  Speaker 1: expecting a press conference from the Prime Minister shortly. What
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  Speaker 1: we do know so far is that Haynes, who's the
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  Speaker 1: mother of three, was unloading food or something from the
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  Speaker 1: boot of her car when she was hit by a
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  Speaker 1: white SUV. Apparently, it had done a U-turn... when the
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  Speaker 1: driver allegedly saw her. Her legs, at least, are very
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  Speaker 1: seriously injured. Passers-by reportedly jumped on the driver, pinned him down,
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  Speaker 1: reportedly took a penknife from him, and police are investigating
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  Speaker 1: if this was a targeted attack. And if so, how
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  Speaker 1: that will shock politics today. We've had so much anger
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  Speaker 1: in our polity that... Really, it's shocking. We've just got
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  Speaker 1: to wind this back. And for Helen Haynes to be
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  Speaker 1: the target of it, she's 53, she was first elected
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  Speaker 1: in 2019. She's been re-elected twice. She's not a TLMP.
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  Speaker 1: She hasn't been angry, one of these angry politicians, not
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  Speaker 1: at all, not at all. But she, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: she actually shares a lot of TLMP's concerns. It's terrible. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the The Prime Minister, like I say, is going to
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  Speaker 1: tell us more. It's significant that he's going to give
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  Speaker 1: a press conference. I assume that he has something very
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  Speaker 1: serious to tell us. But in the meantime, we've got
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  Speaker 1: Cameron Redden, who's been covering all this. Cameron, thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much for your time. Andrew Clunell has also said
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  Speaker 1: that it is his understanding that it's a targeted attack.
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  Speaker 1: What do you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the report coming through via Andrew. That
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  Speaker 2: is a belief of senior Labor sources, Andrew. So we
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  Speaker 2: are going to hear from the Prime Minister more. We'll
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  Speaker 2: also hear from the Home Affairs Minister, Tony Burke, who
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  Speaker 2: will be at this press conference as well. Now, that
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  Speaker 2: potentially tells us something, what we can read into the
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  Speaker 2: sort of language that we might expect and the way
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  Speaker 2: that the government is viewing this incident. Andrew, this is shocking,
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  Speaker 2: as you mentioned. It is unsettling. We have not, if
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  Speaker 2: this is confirmed, to be a targeted attack. That is
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  Speaker 2: the allegation.
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  Speaker 3: That's the report at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: We would not have seen something like this to this
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  Speaker 2: scale in Australian politics, certainly not in my time and
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  Speaker 2: maybe at all, not for a very long time. So
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  Speaker 2: we'll hear from that. I don't anticipate that the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister will be keeping us waiting long. He and Tony
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  Speaker 2: Burke are going to be there in Sydney. They're not
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  Speaker 2: in Canberra at the moment. My understanding is that there
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  Speaker 2: have been meetings going on to try and ascertain exactly
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  Speaker 2: what has happened over the last couple of hours. And
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  Speaker 2: we'll be hearing now from the Prime Minister in the
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  Speaker 2: next few minutes, Andrew. But this is, as you say,
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  Speaker 2: a very unsettling moment in Australian politics and It's hard
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  Speaker 2: not to, as Andrew Clennell reflected on a moment ago,
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  Speaker 2: think of the incidents we've seen around the world, particularly
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  Speaker 2: in the UK, and the impact that that has had where,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's Joe Cox, David Amess and others, some terrible
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  Speaker 2: incidents have taken place.
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  Speaker 3: So, look, we will get more details.
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  Speaker 2: All this coming to hand in the last three hours, really, Andrew,
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  Speaker 2: but hopefully we will get something comprehensive from the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister in the next few minutes. A terrible moment of
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  Speaker 2: the year, but certainly in Australian politics.
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  Speaker 1: No, we haven't seen something like this for many, many
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  Speaker 1: decades since Labor leader Arthur Call was shot in the jaw. And,
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  Speaker 1: of course, since then, well, recently, we've had the assassination
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  Speaker 1: attempts on Donald Trump. We've had the assassination of Dutch leader,
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  Speaker 1: political leader Pim Fortone. We've had those attacks you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: on two MPs in fatal attacks in Britain. Really, the
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  Speaker 1: world seems to be in extremely... dangerous place. And the
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  Speaker 1: fact that Anthony Albanese is going to hold a press conference, Cameron, Cam,
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  Speaker 1: what do you make of that? Oh, it elevates.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a serious incident. That goes without saying, Andrew.
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  Speaker 2: But clearly the Prime Minister sees this as a moment
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  Speaker 2: when people need to hear from him. I anticipate that
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  Speaker 2: whatever programming was scheduled on every network in the country
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  Speaker 2: will be paused to take this address, given the severity
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  Speaker 2: of it. And we've been talking for, I think it's
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  Speaker 2: fair to say, years, Andrew, about some of the fears
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  Speaker 2: that people have had in this place in Parliament House
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  Speaker 2: about attacks, about the safety of MPs. We've had other
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  Speaker 2: members of Parliament have to bolster their own safety because
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  Speaker 2: they receive threats online. We know what goes on social media,
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  Speaker 2: but elsewhere too. And it's one of the great things
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  Speaker 2: about our democracy when you travel around the world, that
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  Speaker 2: MPs are so accessible. They hold open rallies. They hold
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  Speaker 2: community stalls. They go to sport. They go for a run.
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  Speaker 2: They take the dog for a walk, often without heavy
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  Speaker 2: police security or without barricades around them, because that's how
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  Speaker 2: our democracy works.
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  Speaker 1: It's so open.
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  Speaker 2: And Helen Haynes in this situation, we're told, was getting
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  Speaker 2: something out of the boot of her car and And seemingly,
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  Speaker 2: so the report goes, and so is the belief of
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  Speaker 2: senior Labor sources talking to Andrew Clunell, has been targeted
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  Speaker 2: in this attack. If that was to be the case, well,
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  Speaker 2: that is going to cause a lot of pause for thought.
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  Speaker 2: Going forward, Andrew, that door is opening, so the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister can only be a few seconds away, you would think.
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  Speaker 1: Now, we can't jump to conclusions. We don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it was targeted. And if it was targeted, for what reasons?
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  Speaker 1: Were they political? Were they personal? None of that we know.
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  Speaker 1: We might be told soon. We do not know. But
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  Speaker 1: it is true that the temperature has heated up. And
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  Speaker 1: I think, Cameron, you will back me up in saying,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you... No politician deserves... Any violence? Absolutely none.
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  Speaker 1: We cannot have that. But of all the people, I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have thought Helen Haynes would be on the list.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the Prime Minister now about to give us an update.
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  Speaker 1: Here we go.
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  Speaker 4: serious incident that has occurred in Victoria. This afternoon, Helen Haynes,
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  Speaker 4: the member for Indi, was attacked outside her electorate.
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  Speaker 5: Office in Wangaratta.
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  Speaker 4: All of our thoughts are with Helen, her family, her friends,
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  Speaker 4: her team and her community. at this extremely difficult time.
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  Speaker 4: We are praying for her full recovery. I want to
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  Speaker 4: thank the first responders for their extraordinary work. There is
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  Speaker 4: a major police investigation underway and I can confirm that
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  Speaker 4: a suspect is in custody. The Australian Federal Police, Victorian
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  Speaker 4: Police and ASIA are working together on this. The Joint
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  Speaker 4: Counter Terrorism Team has been activated but the motive is
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  Speaker 4: not known. I've spoken with Victorian Premier Ben Carroll and
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  Speaker 4: have been briefed by AFP Commissioner Chrissie Barrett. It is
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  Speaker 4: too early in this investigation for me to provide you
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  Speaker 4: with details of what the motivation is behind this attack.
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  Speaker 5: My thoughts are also.
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  Speaker 4: With those there who were there in Wangaratta today and
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  Speaker 4: Helen's community more broadly. Helen Haynes is incredibly hardworking. She
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  Speaker 4: is fiercely intelligent, but most importantly, she's just thoroughly decent
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  Speaker 4: human being, full of integrity and respected right across the
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  Speaker 4: Parliament and from everyone who comes into contact with her.
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  Speaker 4: She is a well-loved member of her community, and this
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  Speaker 4: will come as an incredible shock to that community. Our
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  Speaker 4: thoughts remain with Helen Haynes at this very difficult time.
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  Speaker 4: Minister Burke will make some short comments and then we'll
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  Speaker 4: take just a.
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  Speaker 5: Couple of questions. Thank you, Prime Minister. As the Prime
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  Speaker 5: Minister said, we're still very early.
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  Speaker 6: In the investigation, but importantly, someone is in custody and
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  Speaker 6: acknowledges the family statement, has acknowledged the bystanders, the health
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  Speaker 6: workers and the police.
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  Speaker 5: Last year, or the year before last.
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  Speaker 6: We had 951 reports of harassing and threatening behaviour against
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  Speaker 6: various high office holders. The more recent financial year, that
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  Speaker 6: 951 has gone to 1,067. At this moment in time,
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  Speaker 6: while it's still so early in the investigation, our thoughts
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  Speaker 6: are all with Helen and her family and her community
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  Speaker 6: and her friends. As the Prime Minister said, Helen is respected,
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  Speaker 6: admired and loved.
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  Speaker 2: Senator Morrison.
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  Speaker 7: Senator Morrison, was the suspect known to any police body
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  Speaker 7: or agency?
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  Speaker 4: Look, I'm not about to go into comments about an investigation,
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  Speaker 4: which is underway and has been underway for a matter
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  Speaker 4: of just hours.
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  Speaker 8: Did the government go with any threats made towards Helen
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  Speaker 8: Haynes and was there any concern around.
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  Speaker 1: Anything she'd be copying? Look, we have made.
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  Speaker 4: a range of comments that I have made. Go look
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  Speaker 4: up the interviews in which I've done and call for
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  Speaker 4: the temperature to be turned down when it comes to
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  Speaker 4: political discourse. It is too early though to speculate on
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  Speaker 4: motivation and we won't be doing so.
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  Speaker 5: We'll allow the authorities to do their work.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously Helen Haynes has suffered serious this is a serious
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  Speaker 4: incident and so our thoughts are with Helen and her
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  Speaker 4: recovery at this time.
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  Speaker 5: Can you say.
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  Speaker 1: What security measures, if any, she was afforded ahead of
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  Speaker 1: this attack by Parliament?
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  Speaker 4: Look, we organise security arrangements based upon the.
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  Speaker 5: Threat levels which are there.
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  Speaker 4: But as Minister Burke has said, And as you would
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  Speaker 4: be aware, and anyone who looks at comments made and
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  Speaker 4: directed towards members of parliament and high office holders, there
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  Speaker 4: is increased heightened risk has occurred. Our thoughts are just
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  Speaker 4: very much with Helen, her family, her community at this time.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks very much.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I take one tiny bit of hope from that,
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  Speaker 1: that the Prime Minister's talking about Helen Haynes' recovery. So,
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  Speaker 1: prayers for her and her family. But, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: Prime Minister's also right. He has called for the temperature
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  Speaker 1: to be lowered. I think he's right in having done that,
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  Speaker 1: and today bears out the wisdom of that. I always
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  Speaker 1: thought that... The person in greatest danger in Parliament was
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  Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson with the threats against her. In fact, as
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  Speaker 1: you know, on this show, I've said her security should
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  Speaker 1: be beefed up from what I'd seen, has been. But
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  Speaker 1: political violence, unfortunately, is not that new to Australia. We
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  Speaker 1: tend to forget. 1966, Arthur Caldwell, shot in the face,
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  Speaker 1: Labor leader, federal Labor leader. In 1994, John Newman, the
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  Speaker 1: state MP, Laborer, Cameramatta also assassinated. But this will come as...
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  Speaker 1: This will really change things in Canberra. Politicians should not
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  Speaker 1: have to fear walking among us. But this... Back to
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  Speaker 1: our political reporter, Cam Redden. Cam, what did you take
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  Speaker 1: out of the Prime Minister's comments?
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  Speaker 3: Well, pretty clear from the language there, Andrew.
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  Speaker 2: He believes this is very much a targeted attack, that
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  Speaker 2: man in custody. I do just want to add that
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  Speaker 2: sources for News24, our understanding at this stage is that
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  Speaker 2: the person in custody has no immediate or obvious terror
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  Speaker 2: links known. The Prime Minister said there that the AFP
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  Speaker 2: and ASIO are involved in this as well. There are
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  Speaker 2: no immediate known links to terror, is our understanding. But
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  Speaker 2: clearly now a major police investigation going on. You mentioned
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  Speaker 2: some of the history of... there, Andrew, but it goes
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  Speaker 2: without saying. We're about to go into a state election
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  Speaker 2: in Victoria. We've got a state election in New South
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  Speaker 2: Wales early next year. We're going towards the end of
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  Speaker 2: a parliamentary year, but this will absolutely rattle and unsettle
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  Speaker 2: politicians across the country, I would say, because rare as
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  Speaker 2: it is, you do have to go back several decades
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  Speaker 2: for this to be the case in Australia. I also
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  Speaker 2: want to point out one other thing that Tony Burke
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  Speaker 2: mentioned there as well, Andrew, and we've covered this a
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  Speaker 2: bit throughout the year. He noted there that in the
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  Speaker 2: last financial year alone, there were more than 1,000 registered
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  Speaker 2: threats to politicians. Now, that isn't just somebody sending an email.
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  Speaker 2: That is somebody's office or the politician themselves taking it
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  Speaker 2: seriously enough to refer that on to the Australian Federal
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  Speaker 2: Police or to some sort of authority. So that's 1,000
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  Speaker 2: that have been escalated in just the financial year gone,
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  Speaker 2: and that has been escalating year on year. So that
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  Speaker 2: investigation now ongoing, we didn't really get a clear health
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  Speaker 2: update from the Prime Minister there on Helen Haynes, but
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  Speaker 2: he did talk about her recovery there. So perhaps some
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  Speaker 2: hope in amongst this terrible news, Andrew.
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  Speaker 5: Perhaps.
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  Speaker 2: But this break in tonight, we will clearly get more
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  Speaker 2: reaction to this tomorrow and over the months ahead. And
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  Speaker 2: as you can say, we can only hope that it
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  Speaker 2: is a good and speedy recovery for her.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I come back to, I think you noticed
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  Speaker 1: it too, the words of the Prime Minister who said
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  Speaker 1: it's too early to speculate about motive. Motive is what
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  Speaker 1: you speculate on when you think this was a targeted attack,
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  Speaker 1: not if it was an accident. There's no motive for
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  Speaker 1: an accident. I think that's a pretty clear hint that
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  Speaker 1: something very serious has occurred and something that's very frightening
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  Speaker 1: and that will frighten a lot of politicians and may
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  Speaker 1: change the way they interact with the community. which will
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  Speaker 1: be to the loss of us all. Cameron Redden, thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much for your time. No doubt we'll be
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  Speaker 1: talking to you during the night if we get more information.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much. After the break, more on this
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  Speaker 1: shocking Helen Haynes news. So to repeat, Federal Independent MP
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  Speaker 1: Helen Haynes struck by a car outside her office Reportedly,
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  Speaker 1: a car that turned around did a U-turn when the
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  Speaker 1: driver saw her. Motive not known. As far as we
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  Speaker 1: can tell, as far as we have heard, no terror
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  Speaker 1: motive there. So we shall see. The Prime Minister wouldn't speculate.
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  Speaker 1: But in saying that he wouldn't speculate on motive, he
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  Speaker 1: made clear, I think, that he did believe this was
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  Speaker 1: no accident. Joining me is the political panel, Cameron Milner,
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  Speaker 1: former Chief of Staff to Labor leader Bill Shorten, now
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  Speaker 1: Director of GXO Strategies, and Michael Kroger, former Victorian Liberal President.
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  Speaker 1: Michael Kroger, this news will shock so many politicians and
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  Speaker 1: make a lot of them afraid to walk in public.
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  Speaker 9: Look, Andrew, as you said before, we've seen an increase
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  Speaker 9: in violence against political figures across the world in recent years.
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  Speaker 9: The question is, why is this happening? Well, I think
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  Speaker 9: without reflecting on what's happened to Helen Haynes, that the
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  Speaker 9: level of incitement around the world is increasing through demonstrations,
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  Speaker 9: social media.
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  Speaker 5: Whatever else.
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  Speaker 9: So the level of hatred, anger in the world, in
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  Speaker 9: Western countries is increasing. But specifically on that press conference,
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  Speaker 9: and look, it's improper to speculate too much at this
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  Speaker 9: stage for all the reasons we know, Andrew, but that
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  Speaker 9: was a most unusual press conference. I don't think I've
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  Speaker 9: ever seen a Prime Minister and Senior Minister give such
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  Speaker 9: a press conference in my lifetime. Clearly, clearly something has
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  Speaker 9: gone on here that they are aware of.
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  Speaker 10: That is.
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  Speaker 9: That is not a press conference given by a Prime
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  Speaker 9: Minister at any time that I've seen in these circumstances.
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  Speaker 9: So we, of course, wish Helen Haynes well. Everyone that
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  Speaker 9: I know knows her, thinks the world of her. So
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  Speaker 9: to her and her friends and family and supporters in India,
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  Speaker 9: you know, our hearts go out to her and all
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  Speaker 9: strength and love to her.
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  Speaker 1: As I suggested earlier in the show, she'd be one
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  Speaker 1: of the last people you'd think would be the target
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  Speaker 1: of such hatred, that someone might, might, this is speculating,
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  Speaker 1: might do something like this to her. But, my God. Cameron,
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  Speaker 1: what do you make of this? Because, like I say,
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  Speaker 1: this is not, Helen Haynes is not someone you would
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  Speaker 1: imagine would be a target of an attack.
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  Speaker 11: No, you don't, and I think tonight we've all got
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  Speaker 11: to have our thoughts and prayers for Helen and for
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  Speaker 11: her speedy recovery and for the family to actually have
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  Speaker 11: lots of love around them tonight because they shouldn't be
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  Speaker 11: going through this situation. No politician, no member of public
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  Speaker 11: should be in a situation where they're doing their groceries
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  Speaker 11: and get hit by a car has potentially done a
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  Speaker 11: U-turn and might have motive for what they've done, Andrew.
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  Speaker 11: So this is just a truly awful, shocking moment.
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  Speaker 1: In Australian politics.
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  Speaker 11: To your point, Michael, unprecedented in terms of a Prime
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  Speaker 11: Minister coming to do a press conference so quickly. Obviously,
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  Speaker 11: more will come to light, but we need to make
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  Speaker 11: sure we get to the absolute root cause of this
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  Speaker 11: and understand exactly what's happened, because the last thing we
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  Speaker 11: need is our politicians to be less connected to the community.
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  Speaker 11: We love the fact they go walking their dogs, going
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  Speaker 11: to do the groceries. They want to be connected to
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  Speaker 11: the community. They can't just be behind a security fence.
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  Speaker 11: And this is what I think is the risk tonight, Andrew,
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  Speaker 11: is that we can't have politicians withdraw at the very
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  Speaker 11: moment we need them to connect, even more so than ever,
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  Speaker 11: to our community.
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  Speaker 1: That is so true, because, Michael, there's a real trust
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  Speaker 1: deficit in our community at the moment, as well as
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  Speaker 1: the hatred, a lack of trust in the political institutions,
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  Speaker 1: as well as in journalism. We've got to say that too.
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  Speaker 10: But....
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  Speaker 1: Then to have at that moment politicians withdrawing from public
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  Speaker 1: engagements that are deemed to be too risky. And we've
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  Speaker 1: seen this build up. You might recall Julia Gillard as
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  Speaker 1: Prime Minister had to be bustled into a car when
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  Speaker 1: a demonstration looked like getting very dangerous. Police bundled her
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  Speaker 1: into the car. She lost her shoe on the way.
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  Speaker 1: You might remember, I mean, people laughed it off at
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  Speaker 1: the time, but Tony Abbott got headbutted by some fool
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  Speaker 1: in the streets of Hobart. He was also the target
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  Speaker 1: of demonstrations. His sister had her jacket half ripped off
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  Speaker 1: her back. But the hatred has built up and up
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  Speaker 1: and up, and I wonder, Anthony Albanese has called this
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  Speaker 1: out and said, you know, cool it down, but I
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  Speaker 1: wonder if the genie's out of the bottle, whether it
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  Speaker 1: can be.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the genie's out of the bottle, you know, bigger
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  Speaker 5: and brighter and worse than I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 9: I was just actually at Monash University a couple of
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: hours ago and walked past the Krongold Centre, where in
• 19:45
  Speaker 9: 1976 I stood on a grassy knoll as Malcolm Fraser,
• 19:49
  Speaker 9: the Prime Minister, had to run past with federal police
• 19:53
  Speaker 9: protecting him because he'd been locked in the basement of
• 19:56
  Speaker 9: this centre which he'd opened. And he'd been locked in
• 19:59
  Speaker 9: there for an hour by chanting rat-bag left-wing demonstrators.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: And then there was a moment for him to escape
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: and he did.
• 20:05
  Speaker 9: This has been going on in Australia forever. for decades,
• 20:10
  Speaker 9: but I think it's getting worse now. I think, as
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: I said, I think the incitement through social media whips up,
• 20:17
  Speaker 9: let's call a spade a spade, it whips up the
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: extreme left more than we've ever seen before, Andrew, because
• 20:26
  Speaker 9: in the old days, you'd have to phone people, send
• 20:30
  Speaker 9: off a Gestetner machine or a fax or something. Now,
• 20:33
  Speaker 9: the ease with which communication can be passed amongst the
• 20:37
  Speaker 9: extremes of the left and right to organise functions and
• 20:40
  Speaker 9: demonstrations is so easy.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Encrypted messaging, these acts of violence, et cetera, et cetera.
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: The world has changed. It's a far more dangerous place.
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: That's why those inciting violence have a special low place
• 20:53
  Speaker 9: in Western civilisation, in Western societies, because of their capacity today,
• 20:58
  Speaker 9: which they never had before, to incite hatred and violence.
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: And violence has become their modus operandi, Andrew.
• 21:07
  Speaker 10: Look.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: I know the chilling effect this can have. I mean,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I had to cut my own public appearances. I now
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: take much more care. I mean, there's been one Islamist
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: jailed for ordering me to be killed and got attacked
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: in the street by Antifa. And, you know, a lot
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: of people just think, oh, well, you know, but it's
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: not oh well. If you're always looking over your shoulder,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and now we know from Helen Haynes, you know, how
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: serious this can be. You can't just... do as I
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: too often have done and just thought, oh, well, I'll
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: go anyway, but, you know, don't care, won't happen. It
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: does happen. We just saw, perhaps we saw that happen today.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: We have a grant from the Prime Minister just to
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: remind people of what he just said.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: I can confirm that a suspect is in custody. The
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: Australian Federal Police, Victorian Police and Asia are working together
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: on this. It is too early in this investigation for
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: me to provide you with details. what the motivation is
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: behind this attack.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: So there you go, Cameron. A suspect is in custody
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: with an accident that's not really a suspect. We can't
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: speculate a motive. There's not a motive if it's just
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: an accident. And security agencies are investigating. And, of course,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Tony Burke was there, who's overseas, some of those security agencies.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I'm afraid this is going to be Very bad news
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: when we get to the bottom of it.
• 22:42
  Speaker 11: Well, it may well be, but I also want to
• 22:44
  Speaker 11: be reminded by the fact that at moments like this,
• 22:47
  Speaker 11: Prime Ministers need to step up and lead the nation
• 22:49
  Speaker 11: with true courage. This is Albo's John Howard moment. I mean,
• 22:52
  Speaker 11: John Howard stood up after the Port Arthur massacre. He
• 22:55
  Speaker 11: went and publicly engaged even dangerous and difficult crowds. He
• 22:59
  Speaker 11: engaged and told people where the country needed to go.
• 23:01
  Speaker 11: And that's the moment that Albo needs to take now
• 23:04
  Speaker 11: if we're in such a serious situation that... A serving
• 23:06
  Speaker 11: member of parliament has been, you know, run down with
• 23:10
  Speaker 11: the intent, obviously, clearly, to cause severe injury, potentially worse.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Except I struggle to know what you can do, apart
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: from improve security. It behooves everyone, really, to tone it down,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: tone down the hate, tone down the vicious mockery. And
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I might have something to say about One Nation that
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I was going to plan to say before all this.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: later in this show. Michael Kroger, Cameron Milner, thank you
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: very much. Yeah, sorry, Michael, go ahead.
• 23:42
  Speaker 9: I was just going to say, not wanting to enter
• 23:44
  Speaker 9: into a discordant note, but Cameron, I think it's a
• 23:48
  Speaker 9: little late for Albo to have his Port Arthur moment
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: or Bali moment. I think it's a bit late for
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: him to be doing that, given the shocking state of social,
• 24:00
  Speaker 9: the lack of social cohesion in this country over the
• 24:02
  Speaker 9: last three years.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: We know why it's happened. And I'll just leave it there.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: People can draw their own conclusions.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think we should have in
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: this context, and I feel terrible that you've had to
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: remind me of it, that we did just last December
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: have 15 people slaughtered at a Jewish festival. Now, what
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: was that other than the rising tide of intolerance and hatred,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: lethal hatred in this country today? Thank you for reminding
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: me of that. After the break, Greg Sheridan and talking
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: about hatred in the riots in France, because they too
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: are a warning. More about Helen Haynes, the alleged attack
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: on her in a minute, but another warning, really, what
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: we saw in France on the weekend. Because these weren't
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: just protests, this was a, This is a civil war
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: and Australia's got to learn from that too before it
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: is too late for us as well. You look at
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: what France endured on the weekend, more than 550,000 protesters,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: plus thugs and thieves and arsonists on the street in
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: dozens of French cities and towns. Many of the protests
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: were peaceful, of course, but many other protesters were fighting
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: police and Gendarmes hurting nearly 1,000 of them, plus, of course,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: looting and burning cars and shops, burning even the historic
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: town hall of Limoges and cheering like animals, like an
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: invading army when the tower collapsed. French Prime Minister Sébastien
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Le Corneau himself described this as a moment for people
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: to choose. Were they for the rioters who believed in
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: political violence or for France itself?
• 26:09
  Speaker 12: This is a political maneuver that embraces violence. Either you
• 26:12
  Speaker 12: are on the side of the rioters or you are
• 26:14
  Speaker 12: on the side of those who have a violent agenda
• 26:16
  Speaker 12: for the Republic and against the Republic.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: President Emmanuel Macron was fiddling at a Celine Dion concert
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: on Friday night, which was hours before his country went
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: up in flames, went further implying that France was under
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: attack from people who could not call themselves French.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: Watching these images we all asked ourselves what is in
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: their heads and how can French people do this to France?
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: But who are these people that the President and Prime
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Minister say are at war with France? Let's make some
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: things clear because everyone looking at these riots just see the,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: you know, sort of Rajash blot, just sees in them
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: what suits them politically to say. No, they weren't all Muslim.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: The truth is worse and it's more dangerous and we've
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: got to learn from it. It is true, as I
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: said last week, that many of the rioters are clearly
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: of immigrant background, especially Muslim background, people who in general
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: have been hard to assimilate. And they include youths who
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: in the riots seem to love destroying the country that
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: took them or their parents in. But among them are
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: other students, not Muslim, just giddy with their power to destroy.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: And then behind the scenes is the hard left, who
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: so often embrace violence to get what they can't win
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: in a vote. And above all that, of course, we
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: can't forget France's toxic love of revolutions. France to this
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: day still celebrates the incredibly violent and savage French Revolution,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: celebrates it every Bastille Day, making that day in 1789
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: look supposedly heroic. You know, this heroic mob then attacked
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: the Bastille prison, in fact, slaughtering just slaughtering the seven
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: soldiers they took prisoner, beheading the commander, beheading another official,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: sticking their heads on pikes and freeing just seven prisoners
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: that were held there, two madmen, four forgers and one
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: aristocrat jailed as a pervert. How stupid the French have
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: been to promote that barbarity as freedom, especially when it
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: led to civil war, dictatorship and Napoleonic wars that killed
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: some five million people. And now, here we are again.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Some journalists of the left, again, dressing up these violent
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: protests as, you know, also in a noble cause. Just
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: protests by students demanding more funding for schools. And that
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: president you just saw celebrating the bloody French Revolution is
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: now saying, well, this revolution, that is an attack on
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: France itself. But people aren't really French. We're a traitor
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: to this country. Let me repeat what you just heard.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: How can French people do this to France?
• 28:57
  Speaker 12: Either you are on the side of the rioters, or
• 28:59
  Speaker 12: you are on the side of those who have a
• 29:00
  Speaker 12: violent agenda for the Republic and against the Republic.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: But how many of these protesters on the weekend are
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: on the side of France, would choose France to defend?
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Is it the children of Muslim immigrants who feature so
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: prominently in these riots? Are there protesters waving the flag
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: of Palestine, showing solidarity with a Muslim extremist who slaughtered
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: 1,200 Jews on October 7th? carrying the Palestinian flag even
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: as they stormed the city hall in Marseilles, like some
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: foreign army? Or is the French government expecting France now
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: to be saved by protesters who fly flags of so
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: many other Muslim countries? Countries which follow a faith spread
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: by the sword? Will these protesters choose France, which has
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: so weakened itself with mass immigration? I've seen not just
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Palestinian flags, but the flags of Morocco and Algeria, of Iraq,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: of Egypt, all Muslim countries. Or do Francis Leder think
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: that France will be saved by the black-clad anarchists who
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: were causing so much havoc? Or by the street fighters
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: who chased and tripped a woman and then kicked her
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: again and again? Will France be saved by the hoods
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: that are so loving the power of violence that one
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: uses homemade flamethrower on the face of a woman who
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: tried to stop the vandalism? Or will France be saved
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: by the looters who bashed a man trying to save
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: his video store, kicked him to the ground? or by
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: the looters who have pushed aside the woman trying to
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: save another business from looters pleading with them, pleading with
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: them not to do this and just being pushed aside?
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Or will France be saved by the hard-left Marxists of
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: La France Insoumise who, police say, whipped up the protests
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: with the party's mayor of Saint-Denis, Bali Bagayoko, filmed dancing
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: by a fire lit by protesters at a school?
• 30:51
  Speaker 13: So who exactly among this horrible mob of the hard left,
• 30:57
  Speaker 13: these Muslim immigrants, these anarchists and the greedy and the thieves,
• 31:01
  Speaker 13: does Le Corneau.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: And Macron too. Do they expect these people to put
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: France first? Who are these people that Macron said aren't
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: really French? Maybe he's absolutely correct. People who are destroying
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: France instead. And don't we see that same alliance growing
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: right here? That alliance between Palestinian activists and the hard
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: left greens and the Aboriginal radicals and the Marxist groups
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: and the Jew haters and The hate preachers and the
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: climate extremists all joined by seeming loathing of Australia today,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: telling you it's racist, it's genocidal. Now, I know we're
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: nothing like France. There's too few of these radicals to
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: worry about. But I tell you, it doesn't take long
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: before too few people to worry about become too many
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: to confront. And we see that right now in France. Now,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: do we really want to wait until Australia looks like that?
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Because right now, of course, we're seeing people say, oh, yes,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: the cause is just. French schools are terrible. Schools go
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: to 6pm. Teachers are in short supply. But, oh, that's true,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: of course, even though France spends more on education than
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Germany and Britain. But you see, of course, socialism has
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: destroyed France. Those socialistic policies are destroying us because a
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: lot of their spending on schools goes to pay pensions
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: for retired teachers. And France is now dangerously broke. Massive debt.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Massive debt. and a retirement age still of just 62
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: for many. It is out of money, yet left us
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: demanding even more spending on everything from schools, hospitals and
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: pensions to God knows what, demanding other people's cash and
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: saying bugger to France. And if the protesters care so
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: much about schools, why burn down or severely damage 24
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: of them? Why burn buses and cars and shops and
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: why loot shops that are selling iPhones, Hermes and Jewelry
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: and sportswear, Wi-Fi flags in Muslim countries, that's not about
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: school funding. That's what you get when people think change
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: can be made by showing force or by burning things
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: or putting up barricades, when they think that's how you
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: get change, not by reason and the vote, calmly and peacefully.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: And when you turn to violence, the violent will always
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: turn up, just for the fun of it, for the profits.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: And who knows then who will win and where this goes.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: So yes, this war in France is indeed a test
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: of people's loyalties. How many people in France are still
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: in the countryside? But ask how many people here will
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: be in our countryside when we too let ourselves become
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: that poor, that divided and that violent. I'm joined by
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: the country's top foreign affairs writer, Greg Sheridan of The Australian,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: who wrote a great piece in The Australian on the
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: weekend about this war and France's democracy by the hard
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: left and by Islamists. Greg, thank you for your time.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: What is at stake here?
• 34:21
  Speaker 14: Well, Andrew, it's good to be with you and I
• 34:24
  Speaker 14: share all your sentiments about Helen Haynes. I hope this
• 34:28
  Speaker 14: is not the terrible moment that we fear it is
• 34:30
  Speaker 14: and I hope she gets better soon. But France has
• 34:34
  Speaker 14: become ungovernable and We are nearer to that point than
• 34:38
  Speaker 14: we think. We suffer all the same pathologies. So there
• 34:43
  Speaker 14: is an alliance between the Islamists and the far left.
• 34:46
  Speaker 14: I would actually put more blame on the French far
• 34:50
  Speaker 14: left than I do on the Islamists, simply because there
• 34:52
  Speaker 14: are more of them. And they have an ideology of
• 34:55
  Speaker 14: hatred of France, which doesn't even arise from any conceivable experience.
• 35:02
  Speaker 14: The Anglo- or not Anglo, obviously the Caucasian French, like
• 35:08
  Speaker 14: all French, enjoy the most generous welfare state on the planet.
• 35:13
  Speaker 14: They are pampered from cradle to grave. They get free everything.
• 35:18
  Speaker 14: They have a retirement age at 62. They have the
• 35:22
  Speaker 14: slackest work conditions in the world. And yet, the minute
• 35:26
  Speaker 14: there is the slightest inconvenience, they want to have demonstrations
• 35:30
  Speaker 14: in the street.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: It strikes me as absurd.
• 35:33
  Speaker 14: That anyone can claim that they are a nonviolent demonstrator
• 35:37
  Speaker 14: when they know that by having these massive demonstrations, they
• 35:41
  Speaker 14: will produce this massive violence. And I'll tell you some
• 35:45
  Speaker 14: of the innocent victims. Some of the innocent victims are
• 35:47
  Speaker 14: the thousand police who are injured because they're trying to
• 35:50
  Speaker 14: protect civilians from harm by these street fighting thugs. Now,
• 35:56
  Speaker 14: in democracy, you get fed up with the policies, you
• 35:59
  Speaker 14: change your government, you vote them out. But the far
• 36:01
  Speaker 14: left has an ideology which says democracy is a sham
• 36:05
  Speaker 14: and only direct action has validity. And the other factor
• 36:10
  Speaker 14: I'd mention is I'm sure that outside international actors, Russia,
• 36:14
  Speaker 14: Iran and probably China, are goading all this on social
• 36:19
  Speaker 14: media because we know that that's what they do. I'm
• 36:22
  Speaker 14: not saying they're a decisive factor, but so I think
• 36:25
  Speaker 14: there are three important actors, Islamists, the French far left,
• 36:30
  Speaker 14: and outside actors and the French public, especially its young people,
• 36:34
  Speaker 14: are so indoctrinated by left wing education that they think
• 36:38
  Speaker 14: somehow or other this.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Is morally righteous. Yeah, the same is happening right here,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: as you know, Greg, and this is the thing, it's
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: not just Islamists attacking France, it's a lack of people
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: in France ethnically French, as it were, who are not
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: prepared to defend it. That is the problem. We have
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: the challenge, but we are too weak in responding. Now,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: on that point, one problem is that Donald Trump, for instance,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: I mentioned this in my columns last week, has been
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: a traitor to democracies himself. I'm sorry to To Trump fans,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: to speak so bluntly, traitor is the word. He's been
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: selling out Ukraine. He's been blaming it for being invaded
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: by fascist Russia. He last week even bought Russian oil
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: or diesel. That's putting money in Putin's pocket to kill
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Ukrainians and even crippled Ukraine satellite defences from Russian attack.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: And now, Greg, there's a moment that could change history
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: even more for the very worse. Another Munich moment. Russian
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: war criminal Vladimir Putin today floating a plan to settle
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Ukraine's fate with a summit next month just between him,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Putin and Trump and Chinese dictator Xi Jinping. No Ukraine.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: What do you make of that?
• 37:56
  Speaker 14: Well, Andrew, just a footnote on the French stuff. I
• 37:59
  Speaker 14: don't think it's a question of ethnically French people coming
• 38:02
  Speaker 14: out to defend France.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I think every Democrat.
• 38:04
  Speaker 14: Whatever their ethnicity, including all the good Muslim Democrats in France,
• 38:09
  Speaker 14: would be wanting to defend France, but they don't want
• 38:11
  Speaker 14: to defend it physically. They don't want to go and
• 38:13
  Speaker 14: have a street fight with the maniacs in the protest.
• 38:17
  Speaker 14: They want to support parliamentary democracy and the institutions of France,
• 38:21
  Speaker 14: including the police. I agree with everything you said about Trump.
• 38:25
  Speaker 14: I can't believe even Trump would be outrageous enough to
• 38:29
  Speaker 14: settle the affairs of Ukraine by a three-power government. a
• 38:34
  Speaker 14: meeting with Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping. But one of
• 38:38
  Speaker 14: the deep elements of our civilizational crisis right now is
• 38:42
  Speaker 14: that the normal champion of Western civilization is the president
• 38:46
  Speaker 14: of the United States. That's part of the job description.
• 38:49
  Speaker 14: And Trump, for the moment, has betrayed Western civilization. He's
• 38:54
  Speaker 14: sold out Ukraine. He's pandered to Vladimir Putin. He's gone
• 38:58
  Speaker 14: soft on China. And he has no coherent direction at
• 39:02
  Speaker 14: the moment. The Democrats were terrible in office. Trump has
• 39:06
  Speaker 14: done some good things, but his own profound character flaws
• 39:10
  Speaker 14: have now seen him sell out every decent political value
• 39:16
  Speaker 14: he previously espoused. So hopefully after the.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Look, we're in a very dangerous position. The dangers are really...
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the last time we've been in so
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: much danger, Greg. Greg, I just want to show you...
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Anthony Albanese. He's just sat down for an interview with
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: the ABC. Here's a little bit of it. Have a listen.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: There was a deliberate act, it would appear. We don't
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: know what motivation is. So that is the work that's
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: being undertaken by the Victorian Police together with the Australian
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: Federal Police.
• 39:50
  Speaker 8: Were you aware of any previous threats of any kind
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: towards Helen Haynes?
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: I wasn't personally aware of any.
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: Threats to her personally.
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  Speaker 4: What we do know is that the temperature has increased
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  Speaker 4: in recent times.
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  Speaker 1: I'm running out of time, Greg, but what do you
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  Speaker 1: think this attack will do to Australia, alleged attack?
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  Speaker 14: Well, I hate, like you, Andrew, I hate, I just
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  Speaker 14: hate the incivility at the core of everything. Can't anybody
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  Speaker 14: smile anymore? Can't you disagree? Can't you say that fellow's
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  Speaker 14: a bit silly or a chook or something? You know,
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  Speaker 14: Australian abuse used to be so friendly, you know, you'd
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  Speaker 14: say it's a bit of a rat bag or something. I.
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  Speaker 14: Fear if we are now getting to deadly attacks. We
• 40:43
  Speaker 14: don't know yet, but if we're getting to that, you know,
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  Speaker 14: we've been on the brink of that for a long
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  Speaker 14: time and you're right to reference the deadly attacks in Bondi.
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  Speaker 14: That's why I say we have the same pathologies as France.
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  Speaker 14: They're just not quite so intense at the moment. And
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  Speaker 14: this might be a very bad moment in our national history.
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  Speaker 1: Greg, this is an ugly day. Ugliness in Europe, ugliness here.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time.
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  Speaker 12: Thanks.
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  Speaker 1: Before the break, the Victoria Police have also had a
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: press conference on the alleged attack on Federal MP Helen Haynes.
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  Speaker 1: Here's a little bit of it.
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  Speaker 15: A 43-year-old male driver of the vehicle involved in this
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  Speaker 15: collision was detained by civilians, witnesses to the incident, and
• 41:31
  Speaker 15: then arrested by police upon their arrival. That male is
• 41:34
  Speaker 15: currently at the Wangaratta Police Station. and will be interviewed
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  Speaker 15: by investigators. We've got the Major Collision Investigation Unit, who
• 41:40
  Speaker 15: are currently en route from Melbourne. They are coming up
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  Speaker 15: to assist with processing the crime scene.
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  Speaker 1: Is the male a local resident?
• 41:48
  Speaker 15: The male that has been arrested is a 43-year-old male
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  Speaker 15: from Tarrawindji.
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  Speaker 3: Any reports that these two are known to each other?
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  Speaker 15: Nothing to indicate at this stage that the parties are known,
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  Speaker 15: but they will be subject to the investigation.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Well, after the break, some ugliness from One Nation that
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: in the circumstances, I think they should better, they had
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: better repent. Now, look, I don't, I want to be fair.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want anyone to think that I'm blaming in
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: any way One Nation for what happened to Helen Haynes.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: It's absolutely not my intention. And I'm sure that Pauline
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Hanson would be as shocked as I am by what
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: happened and appalled I am going to say something I
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: planned to say before news of that attack, alleged attack,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: actually happened, because I'm sick of the cultural destruction that
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: we face, the stridency and the meanness and all that.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: And I'm afraid that One Nation has, in my opinion,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: become disgusting now in how it's pandering to the cruel
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: and to the heartless and to the barbaric to win votes. Now,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: you take as popular Please Explain cartoons, which trash Liberal
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: MPs Andrew Hastie, former SAS captain, as a traitor, a
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: traitor for speaking out against horrific alleged war crimes by
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Ben Robert Smith. I mean, that's appalling enough, disgusting. But
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: now it's mocking Senator Jackie Lambie as well, after she
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: last week spoke out for a fellow veteran with a
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: distressing medical condition that Lambie also had, raising awareness of
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: pelvic organ prolapse. which One Nation turned into a cheap
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: and cruel smear.
• 43:34
  Speaker 12: I can't laugh because of me prolapsed vagina.
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  Speaker 3: They ain't told me they've made fun of that, have they?
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: No, that'd be very distasteful.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Now, I'll show that not to mock Lambie one little bit.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: but to show you exactly how cruel and disgusting One
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Nation can be when it puts its mind to it.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: But Pauline Hanson and her cartoonist today were shameless.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Jackie Lambie, get over it, OK? It is
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: actually satirical and I think she's taken to heart, which
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: she shouldn't be, you know. Have a good look at it.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Have a bit of a.
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  Speaker 11: Laugh, Jackie, and lighten up.
• 44:15
  Speaker 10: I woke up this morning not thinking about Jackie Lambie's
• 44:19
  Speaker 10: prolapse vagina, I woke up this morning thinking about the
• 44:21
  Speaker 10: problems facing Victoria. Not only do I not really care
• 44:27
  Speaker 10: about the political implications, I can't.
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  Speaker 1: I physically can't care. It's called satire. That's what we do. Mark,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: if that's your sense of humour, I don't want you
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: in Parliament. And, Pauline, was I supposed to laugh along?
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Was Gina supposed to laugh along? Gina Reinhart, when the
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: ABC cruelly... told a joke about, well, I won't go
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: into it, a disgusting joke about mincing her guts to paste.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Was that supposed to be ha-ha-ha, just satire? Joining me
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: are Lisa Goddard, former foreign correspondent and founder of Adani
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Media and News24 host of The Nika to Georgia. Lisa,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: your response.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, Andrew, look, you won't hear me side with Jackie
• 45:10
  Speaker 8: Lambie very often, but on this one I do think
• 45:13
  Speaker 8: that her health issues should have been off limits. I
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: think satire, it can't be a cover for. It was
• 45:20
  Speaker 8: basically humiliating her. I think it's fair game when you're
• 45:23
  Speaker 8: discussing policy or conduct when they're a politician and in
• 45:26
  Speaker 8: the public eye. But on this one, I think it
• 45:28
  Speaker 8: went a bit too far. The issue is, though, right,
• 45:32
  Speaker 8: we're sitting here tonight talking about it. I've looked at
• 45:34
  Speaker 8: the number of views. This has served the exact purpose
• 45:37
  Speaker 8: that One Nation wants it to serve, which is it's
• 45:39
  Speaker 8: getting more and more eyeballs. So that's the problem you've got.
• 45:43
  Speaker 8: The more we talk about it, the more people are
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: going to watch it, which is more it's going to
• 45:46
  Speaker 8: do exactly what it was designed to do. So Jackie
• 45:49
  Speaker 8: Lambie did put it out there. I think she was
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: incredibly brave and very vulnerable to say that on the
• 45:53
  Speaker 8: floor of Parliament, as she did about 10 days ago.
• 45:55
  Speaker 8: And like I said, very rarely will you hear me
• 45:57
  Speaker 8: defend her publicly You're right, it was pretty ugly.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Danika, is there a defence you can mount on what
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: was done to Jackie Lambie there?
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  Speaker 3: No, it was a low blow and it was completely disrespectful.
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: And Jackie Lambie was actually quite brave to come out
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: and talk about that because there is a stigma in
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: Australia and around the world around that condition.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: And it's actually more common than what you think. A
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: lot of women do.
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: Suffer it through childbirth. And to have more women like
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: Jackie Lambie come out and talk about it, I actually
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: think it helps the situation. And like Lisa, you will
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: never really find me coming out and defending Jackie Lambie.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: But in this case, it would. Now, One Nation has
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: got to be very, very careful here.
• 46:39
  Speaker 7: It certainly has the upper hand across Australian political spectrum.
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: But the problem is when you make comments like this
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: or you think it's so funny.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: You actually alienate women.
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: And given that women make up quite a significant number
• 46:54
  Speaker 7: of the voting population, you ought to be very, very careful.
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: And I think that the analogy you use with the
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: Gina Reinhart incident, you know, none of us thought that
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: that was funny.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Are we really seriously supposed to think this is funny?
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: It's sick.
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: And quite frankly, even just watching that just then, I
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: felt disturbed. I didn't like it at all.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: If you only apply your principles to your friends and
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: not to your enemies, then you have no principles at all.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Just by the way, Lisa, I'm sorry this segment's really
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: short because of the distressing news at the top of
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: the show. We've shown you the people the horrible scenes
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: in France. I would have thought that would frighten Australians
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: stupid and make them resolve not to repeat them here.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Here are students at Sydney University's hard-lift Students' Representative Council
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: on the way, sending their love.
• 47:45
  Speaker 12: From the Union of Students of the University of Sydney,
• 47:48
  Speaker 12: we bring all our support to high school.
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: Students who block their high school with a lot of
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: courage and face systemic injustice. The movement must continue.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: They made clear they were supporting students, but still, I
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: thought that was ill-advised. Your thoughts, Lisa?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, completely agree. And I can tell you what, I
• 48:12
  Speaker 8: don't know about you, but I didn't see many French
• 48:14
  Speaker 8: students in their French school uniforms out there looting Louis
• 48:18
  Speaker 8: Vuitton or stores or burning down historic buildings in France
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: over the weekend. So, no, completely outrageous. And it's frightening
• 48:26
  Speaker 8: because you watch the protests that happen in the streets
• 48:29
  Speaker 8: here in this country and the flags that are being
• 48:31
  Speaker 8: flown there, very similar to what we're seeing in France
• 48:33
  Speaker 8: and other parts of Europe. Same thing.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Lisa Goddard, Danica DiGiorgio again. Sorry it's so short. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for your time. Coming up next, Shari Markson. Good night.