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6/1/26: Congress Tries To Intertwine US & Israeli Militaries, Graham Platner Scandal, Cenk Banned From UK · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 3: there will be a link down in the description, and Brandon,
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  Speaker 3: for our purposes, dissected a new, highly controversial piece of
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  Speaker 3: legislation which was snuck into a Congressional bill. Let's go
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  Speaker 3: and put this up here on the screen. From Brandon,
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  Speaker 3: Congress is quietly making Israel a permanent pillar of US
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  Speaker 3: military modernization. You write, Brandon, very deep within the NDAA
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  Speaker 3: is a provision that serves far more attention on a
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  Speaker 3: space Section two two four. The United States Israel Defense
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  Speaker 3: Technology Cooperation Initiative appears to be a routine measure designed
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  Speaker 3: to improve military cooperation between these two long standing allies.
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  Speaker 3: In reality, it may raise represent something much larger. Indeed,
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  Speaker 3: it is unprecedented. Break it down, Force Brandon. This is
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  Speaker 3: getting quite a lot of attention.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So the social media claim is that while the
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  Speaker 4: US and Israel Israeli militaries are merging, it's not quite accurate.
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  Speaker 4: And actually it might actually be better for restraining Israel
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  Speaker 4: if our officers had more control in some ways over
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  Speaker 4: the IDEF. But ultimately the real issue here and in
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  Speaker 4: many ways, it's bigger than if we were just merging
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  Speaker 4: command structures. This is an infusing of the US and
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  Speaker 4: Israeli defense and technology innovation bases. And once those things
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  Speaker 4: are together, and I kind of track it in my
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  Speaker 4: in my article, once those things become one, you can't
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  Speaker 4: disentangle those two things, which I think is the point
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  Speaker 4: because you, Crystal, and I mean you know this from
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  Speaker 4: your the Democrats have been really at the forefront of
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  Speaker 4: sort of becoming skeptical of Israel, and then of course
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  Speaker 4: the Republicans are now the young people on the right
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  Speaker 4: are kind of following that suit. But ultimately, the Israelis
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  Speaker 4: know that in the long run they cannot rely on
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  Speaker 4: foreign aid as it is currently structured coming to them
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  Speaker 4: because the next generation is rising in both parties and
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  Speaker 4: both sides are skeptical of Israel. So the Israelis have
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  Speaker 4: to be afraid that they're going to get cut off
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  Speaker 4: if they do it this way though, this is a
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  Speaker 4: backdoor way for Israel to ensure not only it continues
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  Speaker 4: to receive aid through this section, but also it allows
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  Speaker 4: them to basically have access to our entire tech base.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, so let me read a little bit of your
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  Speaker 2: piece here. You say, Section two twenty four goes well
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  Speaker 2: beyond traditional forms of cooperation that we already have with Israel.
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  Speaker 2: You say, the legislation directs the Secretary of Defense to
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  Speaker 2: appoint a dedicated executive agent to synchronize bilateral defense technology efforts.
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  Speaker 2: That official would be tasked with identifying Israeli origin technologies
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  Speaker 2: that could be incorporated into US programs of record, facilitating
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  Speaker 2: their transition from research projects into actual procurement pipelines, and
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  Speaker 2: promoting industrial partnerships and co production arrangements between American and
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  Speaker 2: Israeli firms. In other words, Congress is not merely encouraging cooperation.
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  Speaker 2: It is directing the Pentagon to actively search for Israeli
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  Speaker 2: technologies that could become part of the future US military.
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  Speaker 2: And you paint a portrait of this integration making very
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  Speaker 2: difficult if you had a future president who had a
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  Speaker 2: different view of the US Israel relationship to unwind this relationship,
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  Speaker 2: and also make it very difficult for a future Congress
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  Speaker 2: that may have other ideas to step back from what
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  Speaker 2: we are doing with regard to Israel without hurting our
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  Speaker 2: own national security.
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  Speaker 4: That's one hundred correct. And you know this also, this
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  Speaker 4: is sort of quietly being admitted now, but it's an
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  Speaker 4: implied admission by our DC elites, both parties, that the
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  Speaker 4: US defense industrial base, despite subjective you know, possibly getting
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  Speaker 4: a one point five trillion dollars next year, can't produce
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  Speaker 4: advanced technology reliably on its own. So now it's having
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  Speaker 4: to pivot and go to you know, other countries and say, hey,
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  Speaker 4: we need your stuff. So that's also sort of a
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  Speaker 4: subtext here, which is another significant crisis. But the whole
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  Speaker 4: thing here with Israel is yes they are a partner,
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  Speaker 4: but but they have their own agenda, as all countries do.
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  Speaker 4: Why do we keep enmeshing ourselves with other countries that
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  Speaker 4: do not share our exact values or strategic outlook At
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  Speaker 4: the level that we currently are, this is a tighter relationship.
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  Speaker 4: If the bill passes as it's written, this will become
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  Speaker 4: a tighter relationship than even the special relationship between the
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  Speaker 4: United States in the United Kingdom. It will be closer
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  Speaker 4: than the US and NATO's relationship. And we saw with
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  Speaker 4: Jonathan Pollard in the eighties. You know there, You know,
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  Speaker 4: the Israelis will deploy spies or use spies to steal
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  Speaker 4: our stuff and then sell it to the highest bidder
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  Speaker 4: for their own purposes, throwing us under the bus. Imagine
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  Speaker 4: what they're going to be able to do with access
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  Speaker 4: to our most advanced quantum computing, biotech, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: Research.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and let's go start actually with D one, guys,
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  Speaker 3: I'll read from some of this. So this is a
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  Speaker 3: field report from Lebanon. There is a growing debate over
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  Speaker 3: the military significance of Beaufort Castle, which observers are saying,
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  Speaker 3: after fifteen months of war, is really forces reached a
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  Speaker 3: symbolic historical site less than four kilometers from the border,
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  Speaker 3: rather than capturing a key resistant stronghold, They contend the
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  Speaker 3: castle's value is primarily media and psychological, not operational.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon, you want to break some of this down.
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  Speaker 3: A castle which literally dates back to what is the
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  Speaker 3: First I'm going to get myrsades mixed up.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of the Crusades. By the First Crusade goes
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  Speaker 1: to the First.
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  Speaker 3: Crusade clearly of significance to say, we basically are the
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  Speaker 3: conquering heroes the party, and it's a message to the
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  Speaker 3: world about this messianic enterprise that they're on.
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  Speaker 5: That's exactly right.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, whenever armies start engaging in symbolic, ideological
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  Speaker 4: sort of you know, side shows, which is what this is,
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  Speaker 4: at the expense of tactical and strategic gains, it doesn't
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  Speaker 4: usually end well for the invading army. And so this
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  Speaker 4: does look to me like the Israelis are saying we're
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  Speaker 4: not going anywhere. In fact, we're going to expand our footprint.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, you know, they're moving beyond the Latani River
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  Speaker 4: at great cost to themselves. You know, you had the
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  Speaker 4: idf K Chief of Staff twice now come out in
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  Speaker 4: the last four weeks saying if we keep going at
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  Speaker 4: this operational tempo, the IDF will be broken in southern
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  Speaker 4: Lebanon because they can't sustain the legist exchange. They can't
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  Speaker 4: keep losing. I mean Merkava main battle tanks upwards of
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  Speaker 4: sixty to seventy have been destroyed because they keep sending
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  Speaker 4: these things down the gut and it just keeps popping
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  Speaker 4: them off, like the Ukrainians did in the beginning of
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  Speaker 4: the Ukraine War against those Russian tanks. So you see
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  Speaker 4: the IDF making really really silly mistakes that you saw
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  Speaker 4: in World War Two that you're seeing silly mistakes now
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  Speaker 4: that are repeating what's happening in Ukraine. This is not
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  Speaker 4: a going to end well for them, but b it
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  Speaker 4: certainly means the Israelis are expanding their footprint. We're tethered
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  Speaker 4: to that now, and the question is are we going
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  Speaker 4: to go further and now in Mesh our technology base
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  Speaker 4: with whatever the heck they're planning to do in Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Brandon, talk a little bit about what both Ukraine
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  Speaker 2: War and Iran's successful ability to repel our attacks and
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  Speaker 2: do tremendous damage to our bases across the region. And
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  Speaker 2: now hesbl using these fiber optic optic drones has really
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  Speaker 2: been able to exact a lot of damage on Israel.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there is an article right now in Haratz
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  Speaker 2: that says manufactured nostalgia for Lebanon's Bufort masks a strategic failure.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they are taking a lot of blows there
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  Speaker 2: and have not been able to achieve what they wanted
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  Speaker 2: to achieve. Putting all these things together, what does this
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  Speaker 2: tell you about the reality of modern warfare?
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  Speaker 4: It shows us that our strategic rivals in Iran, Russia, China,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm just using that term kind of you know,
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  Speaker 4: academically or strategic rivals, because I know there's some argument
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  Speaker 4: about whether, but the point is technically our strategic rivals
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  Speaker 4: have leapfrogged the US military and the militaries of our
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  Speaker 4: allies with these denial technologies. They've figured out the way
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  Speaker 4: you stop American and Allied power projection in their parts
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  Speaker 4: of the world is with lots and lots of cheap drones, missiles,
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  Speaker 4: and even sometimes hypersonic weapons, which is a technology we
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  Speaker 4: have not yet fully developed or have defenses against. And
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  Speaker 4: as you brought up the Ukraine and Iran wars together,
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  Speaker 4: and this has sort of been what I've been the
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  Speaker 4: drum I've been banging for the last week. In my
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  Speaker 4: opinion that if you look at the southern end of
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  Speaker 4: Ukraine where the Russians are, and you look at the
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  Speaker 4: northern end of Iran, there is only a six hundred
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  Speaker 4: and twenty one mile gap between those two fronts. So
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  Speaker 4: if things continue as I suspect they will, I do
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  Speaker 4: not believe there will be any deals in either war.
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  Speaker 4: If things continue, you could see the ultimate coming together
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  Speaker 4: of those two conflicts in a true world war. And
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  Speaker 4: that's what I've been tracking, and that's what I'm afraid of.
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  Speaker 4: And frankly, our rivals have figured out how to stymy
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  Speaker 4: the American war machine. One point five trillion dollars. What's
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  Speaker 4: it getting us one strategic defeat after another.
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  Speaker 1: It is crazy, Brandon. And you know, actually, let's have
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  Speaker 1: you address this.
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  Speaker 3: So I recently it was the CSIS chart, but I'll
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  Speaker 3: describe it to you, Brandon. And I was ridiculed for
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  Speaker 3: saying this. I said, it will take five years to
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  Speaker 3: replace thirty nine days of munitions used in the Iran wars,
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  Speaker 3: called a liar, an American decliner Apparently all I did
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  Speaker 3: was post after you.
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  Speaker 5: I saw that. I saw it went after me too, apparently.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's get into it then.
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  Speaker 3: So all I did was post is chart which said
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  Speaker 3: estimated return to pre war inventory.
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 3: Where it's as for Tomahawk late twenty thirty early twenty
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  Speaker 3: thirty one. For that mid to late twenty twenty nine,
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  Speaker 3: you just referenced our timeline an industrial base for one
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  Speaker 3: point five trillion dollars. Why does it make it so
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  Speaker 3: vulnerable to the studying of the Iran conflict and of
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  Speaker 3: Ukraine whenever we have timelines like that, or are the
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  Speaker 3: timelines fake?
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  Speaker 4: As he's saying, No, I don't think the timelines are fake.
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  Speaker 4: I know that's what the Hawks are saying. You know,
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  Speaker 4: about a month ago I was at a non disclosed
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  Speaker 4: military facility in Georgia. They had me on a panel
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  Speaker 4: with three Hawks versus me. They spent the entire time
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  Speaker 4: strafing me, but ultimately they couldn't answer the basic fact,
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  Speaker 4: if there's this secret supply somewhere, why haven't we seen
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  Speaker 4: it yet? And of course the answer is there's no
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  Speaker 4: secret supply. And actually, my newest article on my sub stack,
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  Speaker 4: I actually took part of what you were saying, and
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  Speaker 4: I expanded on it because Ryan macbeth also went after me. Apparently.
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  Speaker 4: The bottom line here is this is math. Okay, math
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  Speaker 4: is like gravity. You can't you can only resist it
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  Speaker 4: for so long. And the bottom line is it may
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  Speaker 4: take thirty days to assemble a single Tomahawk cruise missile.
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  Speaker 4: But this isn't like an ikea piece of furniture. This
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  Speaker 4: is a highly complex system. If you have bottlenecks in
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  Speaker 4: the underlying supply chain, the rocket motor, the rocket fuel,
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  Speaker 4: the rare earth minerals that China has control over, that
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  Speaker 4: thirty day timeline to assemble is extended for however long
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  Speaker 4: the bottleneck lasts. And so I actually said, Sager, I
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  Speaker 4: think I think your timeline is too optimistic. This might
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  Speaker 4: be more than six years to seven years, especially if
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  Speaker 4: current operational tempo remains the same or increases. The defense
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  Speaker 4: industrial base in fourteen key weapons systems, precision guided munitions
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  Speaker 4: like the Tomahawk, but also these air defense interceptors. Those
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  Speaker 4: fourteen munitions they can't keep up with. They're depleting faster
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  Speaker 4: than they can replace, and at some point we're gonna
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  Speaker 4: have to switch munitions. And I think actually that is
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  Speaker 4: informing Trump's ceasefire right now, is that He's trying to
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  Speaker 4: buy time for a little bit more of these systems
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  Speaker 4: to be built. I don't believe this is a real ceasefire.
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  Speaker 2: Can you talk a little bit more about that, because
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  Speaker 2: you did mention earlier you don't think that that we
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  Speaker 2: are likely to see a deal.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, there's no stasis in the argument between Iran
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  Speaker 4: and the United States. I mean, the fundamental issue is
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  Speaker 4: there's no way Iran is giving up control over the
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  Speaker 4: Strait of Hormuz, not without them getting you know, those
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  Speaker 4: transit fees and service fees, which is similar to what
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  Speaker 4: Turkey does, by the way, in the Turkish Straits. But
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  Speaker 4: that's another issue. There's no way. And then also these
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  Speaker 4: this nuclear the nuclear dust, you know, the blessed dust.
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  Speaker 4: The bottom line with that is the Iranians have just
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  Speaker 4: proven even by just threatening to have nuclear weapons, they
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  Speaker 4: can break the back and the will of the US
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  Speaker 4: and Israeli joint forces. We fought them for four months
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  Speaker 4: almost now to stand still, and the Iranian regime is
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  Speaker 4: still the Iranian regime, and we are the ones seeking
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  Speaker 4: immediate relief to all of their pressure. They're not gonna
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  Speaker 4: stop because they don't have to stop. So I think
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  Speaker 4: what Trump is doing is he's trying to calm the markets,
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  Speaker 4: claiming he's got to cease fire. But even if he
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  Speaker 4: gets the ceasefire crystal, that's only a sixty day memorandum
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  Speaker 4: of understanding what happens on day sixty one? Because we're
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  Speaker 4: told that the President is insisting on day sixty one
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  Speaker 4: they're gonna meet with the Iranians and finally hash out
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  Speaker 4: the nuclear issue. Why would the Iranians give up the
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  Speaker 4: nuclear dust. They wouldn't, it's too much of an advantage
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  Speaker 4: for them. Second of all, in this proposed deal, the
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  Speaker 4: sixty day moratoriums have up to thirty days to get
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  Speaker 4: out of the let up control of the Strait of
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  Speaker 4: hormose for the remainder of that temporary deal. What makes
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  Speaker 4: anybody think that the Iranians are just going to slow
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  Speaker 4: down their control until maybe day thirty. So we're gonna
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  Speaker 4: go another thirty days of Iranian blockade of the straight
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  Speaker 4: of horror moves. This is not boting well, and so
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  Speaker 4: there's no incentive. And frankly, Trump cannot obviously negotiate for
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  Speaker 4: two reasons, he's gonna look weak, he'll look like he lost,
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  Speaker 4: and the Israeli factor Nia, who.
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  Speaker 5: Can't afford to have the war end.
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  Speaker 4: So we are just in a pause until some greater
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  Speaker 4: positioning can be had. And then I fear the war
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  Speaker 4: will begin or will just be in a permanent frozen conflict,
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  Speaker 4: which again straight of hormose remains closed. The economy collapses
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  Speaker 4: in either event.
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  Speaker 1: What a disaster.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody goes subscribe making and in Brandon's substack, as you
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  Speaker 3: just saw, excellent analysis in Deep and.
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  Speaker 2: If I could just say as well, Brandon is on
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  Speaker 2: the right. He's taken a lot of professional risk to
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  Speaker 2: tell the truth about this war. So please guys consider
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  Speaker 2: going and supporting his substance. Yeah, he does great work,
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  Speaker 2: and he also really deserves and earns your ear.
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  Speaker 3: Chenuine's personal sacrifice, which is rare for somebody who actually
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  Speaker 3: just wants to say what he thinks. So we support
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  Speaker 3: you one percent. We hope everybody else will as well.
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  Speaker 3: You see you later, Ma, Thank you so you.
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  Speaker 2: Grand Platner, who is the presumptive Democratic nominee for Senate
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  Speaker 2: in the state of Maine, a key Senate race this
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  Speaker 2: time around, is facing new revelations that have caught the
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  Speaker 2: attention of many who can put this up on the screen.
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  Speaker 2: This is courtesy of a disgruntled former campaign aid. Wall
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  Speaker 2: Street Journal had this scoop. Graham Platner's wife flagged sexually
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  Speaker 2: explicit text to his Senate campaign. I'll read you a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of this to get the story here. Days
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  Speaker 2: after Graham Platner announced his main Senate bid, his wife
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  Speaker 2: informed the campaign about a potential political problem she had
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  Speaker 2: previously discovered on the Oyster farmer's phone, sexually explicit text
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  Speaker 2: with several women. According to people from the with the matter.
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  Speaker 2: Amy Gertner, who married Platner in twenty twenty three, told
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  Speaker 2: the campaign about messages she had found early in their marriage.
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  Speaker 2: When she informed the campaign about this was in the
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  Speaker 2: spring of twenty twenty five. In late August, as some
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  Speaker 2: AIDS were conducting opposition research on their own, candidate, Gertner
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  Speaker 2: disclosed the text to a campaign AID to make sure
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  Speaker 2: they did not pose a risk to her husband's nascent campaign.
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  Speaker 2: The campaign had been preparing for a major rally with
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  Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders. AIDS ultimately decided the text were a private
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  Speaker 2: matter that was being handled by the couple in marriage counseling.
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  Speaker 2: A campaign official said the rally proceeded as planned, with
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  Speaker 2: thousands in attendance. So again the TLDR here is that
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  Speaker 2: Graham Platner's wife had previously years ago, early in their marriage,
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  Speaker 2: discovered these sexually explicit texts between Graham and several women.
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  Speaker 2: They have worked through it in marriage counseling. She has
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  Speaker 2: actually put on a statement that I'll show you shortly.
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  Speaker 2: And so when you're going through these campaign processes, typically
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  Speaker 2: you as a candidate will do your own opposition research
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  Speaker 2: on yourself, so you'll actually hire a firm to dig
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  Speaker 2: into your background and find whatever it is that an
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  Speaker 2: opposing campaign is likely to find. So it sounds like
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  Speaker 2: in the process of this Amy Girtner, Graham's wife decided
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  Speaker 2: to disclose this to a n AID and say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: do you think this is going to be a problem.
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  Speaker 2: And then now this aide who long ago left the
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  Speaker 2: campaign and is working for another candidate and for a
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  Speaker 2: consulting firm I think, who is very much not a
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  Speaker 2: Graham Platner fan, decided to go to the press with
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  Speaker 2: this disclosure that the candidate and his wife thought was happening.
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  Speaker 6: In privacy.
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  Speaker 2: Let me go ahead and play a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: Amy Gertner as the first one between the two of them.
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  Speaker 2: Graham has now spoken to the press as well, but
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  Speaker 2: to put out a statement about her reaction to these
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  Speaker 2: revelations and what she sees very much, and I think
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  Speaker 2: rightly so as a breach of trust.
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: Let's go ahead and take a look at that.
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: If anybody knows me and Graham personally, you know that
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: we got married in twenty twenty three, we live in Sullivan,
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: We've got two dogs, and we love each other deeply.
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: So it makes.
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: Me really angry, disappointed, and I find it really shameful
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: that there's a group of media outlets and people who
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: are willing to spread gossip instead of talking about real
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: issues that Graham is running on, like healthcare and education
• 18:37
  Speaker 7: and childcare. I knew the man that I married had
• 18:40
  Speaker 7: been through an immense amount of violent active combat and
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: he's been.
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: In therapy for years.
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: I just I admire the fuck out of him, So
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: when there are news auricles about our marriage, it's just
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: extra shitty.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: Can I say that online?
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: Same Zier, Yes, so ziar.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: I think it's disgusting that this aid brought these texts,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: the existence of these texts to the press. I don't
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: see how it's anybody's business when she has forgiven him
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: and they've worked through this in marriage counseling. And it's
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: sort of crazy to me that of all the revelations
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: about Graham Plattner, this seems to be the one that is,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: you know, generating the most heat and most attention. But
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I think it's because at this point he is the
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Democratic nominee de facto Janet Mills has dropped out of
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: the race, and his positioning is really anathema to a
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: lot of the democratic establishment. So I'll get your reaction
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: and we can show how some of the centrist dens
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: are already out, like yeah, maybe low key, we'd rather
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: have Susan Collins, which is crazy to me.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, it is an immense breach in terms of
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: the campaign woman who leaked these text mess or at
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: least leaked the existence of these text messages zooming out
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: a little bit. I mean, in terms of public people, unfortunate.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: We now live in a world where your entire personal
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: life is under scrutiny. If a media outlet had found this,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: it would have been fair game. But the fact that
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: they were egged on by a campaign operative is pretty crazy. Yeah,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: and I'm sure people would expect me to be on
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: some soapbox here, But honestly, I mean this is entirely
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: fitting with everything that we know about Graham Plattner, who
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: is as typical of a marine who served in Iraq
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: as humanly possible. If you've ever watched this series Generation
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Kill or read the book, I highly recommend the book.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: It's one of the best books ever written about the war.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Platter is basically a character in that either that book
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: and or that series, So if you haven't seen it,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: I highly recommend it, especially fitting with a lot of
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: it is Reddit tear gossip and where he decided where
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: he was boasting about jerking off in a porta potty
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: literally out of something like in Generation.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know that he was boasting about it or
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: just stating the reality.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: What life was like for him while he was posted.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: I was laughing while watching because I was like, dude,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: this is like Generation Kill. I was like, it's like
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: a time shot out of two thousand and three book.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: That it was set in.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: But yeah, Zuman out, here's the deal, right with Graham.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: It's between him and his wife, and so did I
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: think what he did was bad? Yeah, I think it's horrible. However,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: she's choosen, she's chosen to forgive him and to stay
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: with it. I believe that they're currently trying for a baby,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: and ultimately, look, I'm pro marriage, I'm also pro babies,
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: and so you know, the marriages are difficult.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I don't condone this behavior.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I think it's bad, But the fact that she wants
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: to stick with him, yeah, I think I wouldn't say
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: great or not. It's value neutral, and that's up to her.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: That's up to him in terms of the discourse. I
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: am fascinated by this because am I sart living in
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: some Pollyannish world where we thought that our politicians were
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: like the most upstanding moral citizens. Donald Trump is president
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: of the United States. And then if we were to
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: take a look at some of Plattner's colleagues, why do
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: you anybody google Reuben Diego divorce or Chris Herby, one
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: of the people we're about to talk about here, who
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: himself recently got even some interesting circumstances, or Ken.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Platt In fairness to Chris Murphy, he is taking Graham's
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: side I know, I.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Know he is.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I'm just being a hypocrite at.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: I'm feeling the survey of the people who are in
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: the United States. Senate Ken Paxton, a literal serial adulter
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: with embroiled in a financial corruption scandal involving his mistress,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: is the Republican nominee for Senate down in Texas. Some
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: of my favorite presidents. It's it's repulsive, just even FDR
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: died at a home with his mistress aka JFK Google
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: JFK nineteen year old girl White House. It's horrific. LBJ
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: literally orgies on Air Force One. I'm not saying this
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: is some sort of titillating thing. I'm just giving an
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: example of, like, yeah, I mean, sometimes it's just about
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: who the leader is and what they're going to do
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: for you, and sometimes you got to take a step
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: back and say, all right, now, the bigger question I
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: think comes down to judgment.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Did he show bad judgment?
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: Yes?
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Now that said, do the people who presume and present
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: as some public, upstanding, moral citizen and then its secretly
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: are also having like insane Turmo in their current life
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: and then perpetuating policies which you don't like.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Is that better.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's a question for all Americans to decide yet, right.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: But this is such an important point, Soccer that you're
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: hitting on here, like, Okay, this is a scandal, but
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Susan Collins backing the Iraq war and now you know,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: being in the Senate long enough to also back the
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Iran war and sending young men and women off to die,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: including Graham Plattner's you know, comrades who he served with.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: You know, that's not a scandal. That's not a problem
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: in judgment. I mean, the way we view morality, or
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: at least the way that sort of the Beltway media
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: views morality, to me, is really upside down in terms
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: of what you would want in a public servant. Now
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: you could decide whether this is the type of person
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: that you would want to like, be married to. Amy
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Gertner knows the full picture and said, yes, I do.
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: I love this man.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: We're going to work through it. We're going to go
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: through marriage counseling. That is a different question. But you know,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: as another example, Chuck Schumer decided to attend this Israel
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Day parade with freaking Bezilils Mootrich, who is the most
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: grotesque war criminal you can possibly imagine.
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: Is that a scandal?
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Is that, you know, titillating media outlets and leading news
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: coverage on CNN, etc. No, of course not so. Look
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I'm curious what you think the political fallout will be.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: I have a feeling voters in Mayne are going to
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: shrug this off like they've shrugged off all of the
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: other things that we're supposed to be disqualifying. For Graham Plattner,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I do think he has a bit of a not
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: to compare him and Trump, because I don't think, you know,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: the landscape is exactly the same, but I do think
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: he has a bit of a Trumpian quality where he
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: can push through quote unquote scandals in a way that
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: other politicians can't get away with.
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: And because he has.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: So effective communicated you know, the message and the position
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: in the Democratic base, and really not just to the
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Democratic base, but to the broader public that people want
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: to hear about checking oligarchic power. That you know, that
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: is compelling enough for people to be like, yeah, let's
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: just overlook this messy personal stuff.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Look, I'm putting my analyst hat on. I mean, the
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: idea that this is going to be some scandal and
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: it's so ridiculous, Like I'm sorry.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: You know, Ryan made a great point. There are only
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: a few hundred thousand people who vote in Maine.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: You could actually conceivably meet most of the politically engaged people.
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: In that Sam knows many of them. It's a small spain.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Like, this is not Texas.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: This is not California, where the national the media culture
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: matters more than anything because that's the only way that
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: you're going to be able to meet somebody right and
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: or social media or any of these This is actually
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: like some of the last vestiges of literally like barnstorming
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: every county or whatever. Sorry, Maine, I'm not that familiar
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: with your structure, but I think they're counties.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I think so too. I never know with some of
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: these places, parishes, whatever.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: So with Maine, you know, it's a small, a tiny state.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: It has a very very small number of people who
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: were actually politically engaged as far as I know, literally
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: has only one major city. So it doesn't seem that
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: hard to actually go around to me people to hold events.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: And ultimately America is telling us a very clear message
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: from Paxton to Platner to trump your personal life and
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: your upstanding moral character does not matter. What matters is
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: what are you going to do for me? And I think,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: by the way, I don't think that's necessarily a good thing,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: but I do think it is reflective of an establishment
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: culture where we had people who were presentable, you know, presentably,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: outward facing, upstanding moral people who got us into I mean, look,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: w all right, w is a good example. W as
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: far as I know, he didn't cheat on his wife.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: He was a recovering cocaine addict and a drunk. He
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: found God and he was touched and all that. He
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: was a disaster. I think he's in't a good guy.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: I really do, like in terms of his own personal character.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: But as you just said about a rock, I mean,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: that didn't translate to good judgment. That didn't translate to
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: being a good president. It was a complete fucking disaster.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: That's part of the.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Reason why, Andre, of course. But I'm saying, like what
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: we often took personal, I'm trying to think of other
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: of other people who presented that way, where these politicians
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: that a lot of people are better. Jimmy perfect, Oh
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: my god, perfect right, Jimmy demand he was the saint
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: habitat for humanity. He was a disaster, an absolute disaster.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: I made this case actually before Trump, but let me
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: make I'll give you the counter to this before Trump.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Lex Readman, you can go and look it up. We
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: have a long exchange.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: About whether the personal character of a president matters and
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: I said no.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I said, no, it doesn't.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: And I said, there's so much history whenever we go
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: back and I look, and I just talked about with JFKA.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I talked about LBJ, I talking about FDR.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: I talked about Grant, who himself was a fool, fell
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: for a number of you know, different financial scams, literally
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: almost died penniless. And that's what part of the reason
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: I had to write his momer. A lot of the
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: people's display bad judgment in deep and horrible ways of
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: their personal life, where if I knew them people personally,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: I would judge the hell out of them. However, they
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: ended up doing great things. But I made that case
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: about Trump. Now I could also say that Trump's finality
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: and his obsession with himself I think has been a disaster.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Well, but that's an important point. It's not the womanizing
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: right right, that is the issue. For It's it's that vinality.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: It's the narcissism, it's the self dealing and that it's
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: it's the corrupt behavior that has been there throughout his
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: entire I mean, he is a con artist. That is
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: what he at his core, is great at doing. He's
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: great at creating an illusion and selling that illusion. That
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: is the character failing that I think has been you know,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: really devastating and does actually matter in terms of the
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: you know, the way that Trump has connected himself in office.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I take your point. And part of what was
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: the devil's bargain. The devil's bargain was, yeah, we know
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: he's a narcissistic, self dealing casino khn man. We think
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: it's different than I just laid out all Mitt Romney.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Romney seems like a good guy, built his wife an
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: elevator when she had mss Y has got you know,
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: a giant He's got like a giant family. The family port.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Mitt Romney's family life is exactly what I want my
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: family life to look like as opposed to somebody like
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump. All Right, if I'm ever you know, cheating
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: on my bragging about my sexual exports to New York Post,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: please put a bullet in my head. Right, So that's
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: that's I would much rather look like romy But would
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: I want to live.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Under a country like rom No?
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Actually, And so look, I mean you're not wrong, but
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I will say, you know, with Platner, in terms of
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: his record, we don't know a lot of it. As promises,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: he's a lot like John Fetterman in terms of his
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: upstart nature.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: He's never held public office.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: He's certainly puls I don't actually knows.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: He hasn't had a he hasn't had a st though,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: which I do genuinely think is the reason why Fetterman
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: has become a different person. But also the red flag
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: with Fetterman was his position on Israel, which he basically
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: just allowed.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: The time I don't remember he.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Ran did the reporting on this, Fetterman just basically went
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: to I think it was DMFI and was like, tell
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: me what you want my Israel position to be, and
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I will adopt it, and that way you won't spend
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: against me. So that in the whole like chasing down
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: some you know, unarmed black dude that he you know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: that whole thing.
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: There were some red flags there.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: But another point, Saccer that I think is worth considering
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: just as we're making the Trump comparison is you know,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: when Trump first came on the scene, the fact that
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: the Republican establishment, which was hated, was so aggressively against
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: him was a signal to a lot of voters, Republicans
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: and otherwise that oh, he like they judged him by
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: his enemies. You know, the fact that media hated him,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: the Republican establishment hated the liberal establishment hated him.
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: They're like, oh, there must be something there.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: And I think that there's a bit of that with
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Graham right now with the Democratic Party because I'd have
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: to dig into the numbers, but the more that came
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: out about his ruddit whatever and his tattoo, etc.
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: The more he searched in the polls.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: And so I think you have a Democratic base certainly
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: that is disenchanted with Democratic leadership. So when they saw like, oh,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer does not want this guy, that means I
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: do want this guy. And I think that one of
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: the biggest risks for him going into the general election
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: was the Democratic brand is such trash. You know, the
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: minute you have Chuck Schumer coming to campaign for you
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: or whatever, voters may go, oh, I don't know, if
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: this is really what we're going for. So in a
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: weird way, I think the fact that he continues to
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: generate these cycles of upset against him, I think it
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: could have a similar effect as you know what happened
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: with Trump, where people looked at the fact that the
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: media and liberal establishment, Republican establishment all hated him so
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: much and said, oh, this guy, this guy is over
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: the target. Because I've even seen some you know, some
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: sort of anti Israel conservatives who have been defending him
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: and effectively saying like, oh, we all know why he's
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: being attacked. So it's true because of his position on
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Israel and also his position on oligarchy, which are both
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: anathema to the you know, established order.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Who can deny that this is It's so obvious it's
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: just all about Israel. If you hate the guy because
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: he's against Israel, then just say it. Don't invent all
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: this bullshit. Not when Trump the three time flanderers president,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: and you guys worship the ground he walks on, Shut
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: the fuck.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Up like this.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: This is stuff that just drives me absolutely crazy. And
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you this again as somebody I would love
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: to live in a more moral world.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I would love to.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Live in a place where cheating on your wife is
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: like a gigantic scan. It should be okay, you should
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: be humiliated for it, which you know, I guess he
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: asked his wife has forgiven him.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: That's her business.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: But beyond that, it's like, that's not how the country
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: is feeling right now.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Like comessage after message after message.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: If you can stand up for what I want them,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: we don't care how you generally conduct yourself in your
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: personal life. And you're absolutely right to compare it to Trump.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Remember the grabb him by the pussy tape was supposed
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: to literally be a campaign ender. A lot of people
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: thought that nobody could survive. It hardened Trump's support, It
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: hardened it when who is that woman in New Hampshire.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: I'm totally blanking our Aot, Kelly Ayot, the Senator, right,
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: she says, oh, we.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Got to denounce them, Paul Ryans. He wins.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: He not only wins, but then we do all these
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: you know, remember all those soul searching interviews in New
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: York Times. They're like, we went to a diner in
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Ohio and they say the tape doesn't bother him. Yeah, no, shit, right,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: you know in retrospect because for them, we tried Romney,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: we tried the W we tried McCain.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: He was a war hero, right, all of this lost lost, lost, lost.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Trump was the only one.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: He stood up on immigration, she stood up on trade.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Those are two things that we care about. We need
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: to stand up against the left. That's how Platinir is
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: right D plus fourteen in terms of Maine on the
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: generic ballot. Need I say more? This is all bullshit now. Actually,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Matt Iglesias wrote a piece about this. I read it,
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: you know, a glimpse into the centrist mind, and he's like,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: you know, he's a Klattner, even though he's a Democratic
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: nominee presumptive, is just obsessed with going to war with
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: the party's establishment. And I was like, yeah, dude, that's
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: the point, Like that's the whole point of his candidacy.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: And also at this point, Platner's got to be thinking
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: a little bit about how do I.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Want to govern?
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Like how do I actually want to be a United
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: States Senator? And it's very obvious, not just in terms
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: of the voters who obviously desire something like this, but
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: he wants to do something very different than how the
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: currently people in office are and that is simply the
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: age we live in, from Republican to Democrat.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: There's why Paxston.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: By the way, I think Paxton would have won even
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: if Cornyn had been endorsed by Trump. Texas GOP fed up,
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: which establishment been here forever.
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Ohh, he doesn't even know what he's doing.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Like, we live in a very anti establishmentian age and
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Plattner is just another example of that, the latest iteration
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: of somebody to come out. So no, I don't think
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: it will hurt him whatsoever in terms of his polling,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: and if anything, will have a Trump like effect of
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: making people feel like they're out to get.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Him, especially because his wife doesn't even care.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Like if his wife cared and they were getting a divorced,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: that's kind of different.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: But come on, like, what are we doing?
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're like you said, they're you know, actively
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: having trying to have a baby right now and struggling
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: with fertility is something that many many couples struggle with.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: We should probably I don't really feel like playing Corey
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Booker and Michael Erosa, but suffice it to say that
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: you've got them and near atandent and others to centrist
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Democrats are supposed to be voguelue no matter who all
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: of a sudden are like, oh, I don't know about
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Graham Platner. It's like, dude, you know, do you mean
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: what you say about Donald Trump and about the problems
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: that he has created, the threat that he represents to
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: the country the world. If you do, then there's no
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: problem here.
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: And of course.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: It's the obvious parallels to ZORONMM Dannie, who is as
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: squeaky clean as you could possibly get. And still you
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: had Chuck Schumer refusing to endorse him, and other you know,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Kirsten Gillibrand coming out and calling him a jahattist. You know,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: there's it's not an accident that the candidates who are
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: critical of Israel in a way that goes against the
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: democratic establishment are the ones that suddenly they get reservations about.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Oh I don't know if I can get behind this
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: particular person. So anyway, you've had a lot of that
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: with Graham. But I do want to play his response
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: to make sure we get that on the record he
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: actually claims, and I want to listen.
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: To his wording here carefully.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: He claims that some of what is reflected in the
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal and the New York Times articles is
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: not exactly accurate, but he doesn't really elaborate on what
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: that means. It appears that he and Amy, you know,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: have both accepted that these text messages are a real thing,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: that that happened. But in any case, let's go ahead
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: and play E six so we can hear Grant's response.
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: Where we heard.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: Amy's videos Siamese video last night about this situation, the
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: story and the Times and the.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Journal, what would your statement be at.
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: This point, it's no surprise to me that the establishment
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: media outlets are just gonna run gossip instead of wanting
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: to talk about the things that actually matter in this race,
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: which are the material realities that the maners are working with.
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: These people are going to try to make this race
• 37:26
  Speaker 8: about anything but what it's supposed to be about, which
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: is policy. They never want to talk about policy. Amy
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: and I have a very loving and very happy marriage.
• 37:36
  Speaker 8: They would very much like to try to rip that apart.
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: We're gonna come after us in every awful way that
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: they possibly can, and we're just gonna keep talking about
• 37:43
  Speaker 8: the fact that the hospitals are closing, the fact that
• 37:46
  Speaker 8: child care facilities are closing, the fact that teachers and
• 37:49
  Speaker 8: nurses aren't paid enough, and the fact that everybody down
• 37:52
  Speaker 8: here continues to work harder and longer and get less.
• 37:56
  Speaker 8: But of course the powers that be do not want
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: us to talk about that, and so they're going to
• 38:00
  Speaker 8: just do gossip instead.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: But the stories are true, right about the texts?
• 38:04
  Speaker 8: No, no, this is this is the amazing part. The
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: Wall Street Journal New York Times ran stories without any
• 38:11
  Speaker 8: evidence besides the gossip from a former staffer. I'm sorry,
• 38:15
  Speaker 8: that's that's frankly journalistic malpractice. We pushed back on it,
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: they won it. They did it anyways.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: So are you that the messages did not exist?
• 38:28
  Speaker 8: What's that?
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: The messages they did not I'm confirmed that.
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: What Genevieve McDonald said in the New York Times is
• 38:34
  Speaker 8: not true.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: So you never met with her about uncomfortable, for lack
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: of a better words, sexting messages.
• 38:40
  Speaker 8: As the campaign was going, we talked about things and
• 38:44
  Speaker 8: amianized marriage that we've gone through over the years. We
• 38:47
  Speaker 8: talked about that because that's our marriage, and we discussed
• 38:50
  Speaker 8: it with the campaign. What Genevieve McDonald claims isn't true.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: So I'm not sure exactly what he means by that,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: and I think it's a bit of a mistake to
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: open up the store. Now you just raise more questions
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: about like okay, well what do you mean? Well what
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: part is not true? And it just continues continues the story.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: His jampa came out, take your lumps, you know, and
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: say like the initial messaging of like this is not
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: what people care about, true, right, and then you know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: this is our where this is a private matter in
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: our marriage that we've worked through and we're moving forward
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: opening up this line of inquiry of like.
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: Okay, well what part of it is true? Well what
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: part of it is not true? Well what about the this?
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: And then that I you know, I don't think that
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: that was a smart move on his part.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: It was ridiculous.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: He was like, oh, his campaign came out and was like,
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: well the part about Jennyvieve MacDonald, that part wasn't true.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: We're not saying that. It's like, dude, just cut your losses.
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: Man.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't pull a Trump locker room talk whatever,
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: get over it. In fact, you should turn it on
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: the journalist. But like, are you a pervert? Do you
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: enjoy reading my sexual messages. Which one was your favorite?
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Would wouldn't be? But that's what I was doing. We're
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: a comms director.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: I'll be like, Oh, you're a sick, disgusting pervy like
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: sticking looking at pictures of me shirtless and be like
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: are you gay?
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: That's what That's what I would do. But you know,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: nobody wants to take advice for the flatter champaign. All right, Oh, Jank.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Uger standing by, Let's get to him.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: So we have a very special guest this morning, founder
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: of ty T, Jank Huger, who has a little personal
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: story that he would like to share with our audience
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: because it certainly has relevance to I think all of us. Jank,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: great to see us, always.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: Good to see you man, Good to see you guys.
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so tell us what's been going on?
• 40:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah, So I went to the airport yesterday. I'm going
• 40:37
  Speaker 9: to London. I'm gonna or was going to speak at
• 40:41
  Speaker 9: south By Southwest London and then in Oxford a couple
• 40:44
  Speaker 9: of times, one speech by myself and then one speech
• 40:47
  Speaker 9: with my nephew son Piker. Was going to be a
• 40:49
  Speaker 9: kind of an interesting moment. My sister was coming. It's
• 40:52
  Speaker 9: a good moment for her.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: Right, uh and uh.
• 40:55
  Speaker 9: And I get to the airport and they tell me
• 40:57
  Speaker 9: that I've been rejected by the British government and they
• 40:59
  Speaker 9: won't like me board the plane. And I honestly had
• 41:02
  Speaker 9: no idea what they were talking about.
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: In the beginning. I'm like, what do you mean, No,
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: I already.
• 41:07
  Speaker 9: Have a visa, and they're like, sorry, they're British governmanceas
• 41:10
  Speaker 9: you're not not allowed in the country.
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: And only twenty minutes later did I see.
• 41:15
  Speaker 9: The article from Times of London explaining why although we
• 41:19
  Speaker 9: all knew, didn't we I mean, I mean at first
• 41:21
  Speaker 9: I thought it was like a bureaucratic snaffoo. Then when
• 41:23
  Speaker 9: I realized it was an active decision, we all knew
• 41:26
  Speaker 9: that Israel had made it. And then, of course ironically
• 41:29
  Speaker 9: they said, well, you say that Western governments control Israel.
• 41:33
  Speaker 9: Israel controls the Western government's too much, so since Israel
• 41:37
  Speaker 9: controls US, Europe.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Now banned on behalf of Israel, we are going to
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: ban you for saying that Israel has so much influence
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: on our governments. And I mean, it's crazy because well,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: do you know anything specific about what you said that
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: they found to be so objectionable you and by the way,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Hassan also banned from the country going to speak also
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: it's helped by Southwest and with you at Oxford. Do
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: you have any specifics about what it is that the
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: two of you have said that's just so unconscionable that
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: you can't even be allowed on British soil.
• 42:07
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean that's first of all, let's note that
• 42:10
  Speaker 9: I think we're the only family that has been banned
• 42:13
  Speaker 9: from Britain, had two family members banned from Britain. So
• 42:16
  Speaker 9: I guess that makes us the most dangerous family in
• 42:20
  Speaker 9: British history.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 42:21
  Speaker 9: This is so hilarious and absurd, it's but at the
• 42:25
  Speaker 9: same time, look, when I got that news at the airport,
• 42:29
  Speaker 9: I felt like a little bit of my freedom had
• 42:31
  Speaker 9: been taken away, my freedom of movement, and it didn't
• 42:33
  Speaker 9: feel good. And we can't have our open societies not
• 42:38
  Speaker 9: be open anymore, and so this is outrageous.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: So they said, Crystal that according to the.
• 42:44
  Speaker 9: Times of London, because they've never talked to me directly,
• 42:47
  Speaker 9: that I said that Israel controls the American Congress because
• 42:52
  Speaker 9: they've given the most in this last election cycle. The
• 42:55
  Speaker 9: Israeli lobby has and they said that's incorrect. That's actually correct.
• 42:59
  Speaker 9: That is a factual state. So they literally banned me
• 43:02
  Speaker 9: for saying something that is true. So theoretically almost every
• 43:05
  Speaker 9: news person should be banned, although to be fair, as
• 43:08
  Speaker 9: most of them are mainstream media and so they don't
• 43:10
  Speaker 9: state that fact. They hide that fact. But yeah, and
• 43:13
  Speaker 9: by the way, where do I get it from? From
• 43:15
  Speaker 9: a British publication, The Guardian said that ninety four percent
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: of Congress has gotten campaign contributions from the Israeli lobby.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: That is a stunning number.
• 43:24
  Speaker 9: They're also the number one lifetime donor to Donald Trump,
• 43:27
  Speaker 9: Joe Biden, Yickim Jeffreys, Chuck Schumer, Mike Johnson. So to
• 43:31
  Speaker 9: say that the Israeli lobby does not have influence or
• 43:34
  Speaker 9: massive influence or really control when they win every single
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: vote in Congress would be to be counterfactual. So it
• 43:41
  Speaker 9: doesn't get any more absurd than being banned for saying
• 43:44
  Speaker 9: things that are empirically true.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Here's the other thing.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Why do they care if you say something about Israel
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: controlling you of Congress? You didn't say, I mean, maybe
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: you said Parliament or I might be true too. Now,
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: in this particular case, to ban you know, you're a
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: United States citizen. Check about visa when I go to
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: the UK. Okay, it's visa upon arrival. It's so called
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: special you know. Yeah, last time I went, he didn't
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: even need to talk to anybody, just scan your passport
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: and you can walk in to the city of London.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: And so you get there to the airport, you find
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: out you're being banned. You have no communication. But let's
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: take it a step further. I believe our Vice President
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: criticized European governments for heavily censoring their own citizens.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I agree with that criticism.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Has anybody from the State Department reached out on your
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: behalf to make sure you're going to facilitate your entry
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: into the UK?
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: No, not yet.
• 44:34
  Speaker 9: So I'll tell you the one guy who has done
• 44:37
  Speaker 9: something is You're not going to be shocked Rocanna. He's
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: already on it, and he's reached out to the British
• 44:43
  Speaker 9: ambassador and asking for an answer. And I am curious
• 44:47
  Speaker 9: about it because there is no logical answer here for
• 44:51
  Speaker 9: why I've been banned. I mean, they try to pretend
• 44:53
  Speaker 9: that it's anti Semitism, but I've never said anything anti Semitic.
• 44:57
  Speaker 9: So they're like, well, I guess you're criticis of Israel
• 45:00
  Speaker 9: is by definition anti Semitic. But if that's true, then
• 45:03
  Speaker 9: you're literally going to have to ban billions of people
• 45:07
  Speaker 9: from Great Britain because that's who is critical of Israel.
• 45:11
  Speaker 9: Over sixty one percent of this country is critical of Israel.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: So what level of absurdity are we going to?
• 45:18
  Speaker 9: And to your point, Sager, you know, there's this phrase
• 45:21
  Speaker 9: thrown around special ally. You know, they say it about
• 45:24
  Speaker 9: Israel and sometimes they say it about the UK, and
• 45:27
  Speaker 9: so I know, and you're right. I never said anything
• 45:30
  Speaker 9: about the British Parliament. I never said anything about the
• 45:32
  Speaker 9: British government. So they're not banning me for criticizing the
• 45:34
  Speaker 9: British government, although I do now so congrass Yeah, and
• 45:41
  Speaker 9: I made factual statements about the American government. That's why
• 45:44
  Speaker 9: I got banned. But wait a minute, So apparently Israel
• 45:47
  Speaker 9: is such a special ally of Britain that they'll even
• 45:52
  Speaker 9: ban Americans like we are an inferior ally to Israel. Apparently,
• 45:56
  Speaker 9: because American citizens will get banned if they so much
• 46:00
  Speaker 9: as criticize the most special ally of all. For apparently,
• 46:04
  Speaker 9: almost all Western governments. How is this not absurd?
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: Guys? I mean, look, one more thing about that.
• 46:11
  Speaker 9: Israel's population is almost identical to the population of Papua
• 46:15
  Speaker 9: New Guinea. So if anyone was being banned for criticizing
• 46:20
  Speaker 9: Papua New Guinea, it would be obviously irrational, like the
• 46:25
  Speaker 9: most ludicrous thing you've ever heard. And they say, nope, nope,
• 46:29
  Speaker 9: when you do it about Israel, it makes sense.
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: It doesn't. It's not normal.
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: It's super weird, and it gives the game away.
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: It's the mask off moment.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Well, and I followed your coverage long enough to know that,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: you know, there are a lot of countries that you've
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: been critical of.
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: I'm sure you've been.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Critical of Russia, Saudi Arabia. No One says, oh, you're
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: critical of Saudi Arabia, so you're anti Muslim or you're isamophobeic.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Nobody says, oh, you're critical of Russia, so you're anti Christian.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: No one says, oh, you can't come to my country
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: because you say something mean about a different nation. And
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: with Israel. Look, we've listened to the Secretary of State
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Mark Rubio say, hey, you know, part of the reason
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: we're in this war here is because we knew Israel
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: was going to attack Iran and we couldn't or wouldn't
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: stop them, So that's why we're in the war. We
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: heard Donald Trump say something very similar that we were
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: in this war with Iran because of Israel and others
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: in the Gulf who wanted us to be in this war.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: So you are just echoing the words that are literally
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: coming from the leaders of this country.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly right. It would be hilarious.
• 47:37
  Speaker 9: So if they banned Donald Trump, they're saying that you
• 47:41
  Speaker 9: know that Israel. You said, Israel controls you, so we
• 47:45
  Speaker 9: are now banning you from coming to the UK. And guys,
• 47:50
  Speaker 9: there's another component of this that's important. So you can
• 47:54
  Speaker 9: look at it in a lot of different ways. You
• 47:55
  Speaker 9: can say, look, and you're absolutely right. I've said very
• 47:59
  Speaker 9: harsh things about the government of Russia, the government of
• 48:02
  Speaker 9: Sati Arabia, the government of UAE, the government of Turkey.
• 48:05
  Speaker 9: So you don't get banned for any of these. And
• 48:07
  Speaker 9: then they say, no, no, no, Israel doesn't have special privileges. Again,
• 48:11
  Speaker 9: counter factual, empirically incorrect, and in fact, when you add
• 48:15
  Speaker 9: that extra lie on top, it makes us think why
• 48:19
  Speaker 9: are you lying straight to our face when we have
• 48:21
  Speaker 9: eyes and ears. But beyond that, not only do I
• 48:26
  Speaker 9: not say anything as Jewish people on the show, I
• 48:28
  Speaker 9: actively say I've said hundreds of times this is not
• 48:31
  Speaker 9: about Jewish Americans or Jews. Anywhere in the world, governments
• 48:35
  Speaker 9: do terrible things. If the turch government does something bad,
• 48:37
  Speaker 9: it doesn't mean I did it as a Turkish American,
• 48:40
  Speaker 9: it doesn't mean a Turkish citizen did it. And by
• 48:43
  Speaker 9: the way, there are huge lobbies in this country that
• 48:46
  Speaker 9: also control our government. Big Farmer controls drug policies, Big
• 48:50
  Speaker 9: Oil controls oil and energy policies, and it would be
• 48:53
  Speaker 9: absurd to say that they don't. We can't negotiate drug prices.
• 48:57
  Speaker 9: That's how thoroughly the drug companies control our government. And
• 49:01
  Speaker 9: that's because we legalize bribery in America. So these are
• 49:05
  Speaker 9: super important facts about the American government. And if you
• 49:08
  Speaker 9: say you're not allowed to say the most important facts
• 49:11
  Speaker 9: about the American government otherwise we won't allow.
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: You into Britain.
• 49:15
  Speaker 9: Well, what you're saying is that Great Britain is no
• 49:18
  Speaker 9: longer a free country period, right. And then if you
• 49:21
  Speaker 9: say no, no, Jake, you are allowed to say it about
• 49:23
  Speaker 9: big pharma and defense contractors and oil companies. You're just
• 49:27
  Speaker 9: not allowed to say it about the Israeli lobby.
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: Again, you're giving the game away.
• 49:31
  Speaker 9: You're saying they're the most important lobby and they have
• 49:34
  Speaker 9: special and extra privileges that no one else on planet
• 49:37
  Speaker 9: Earth gets. And then one final thing about that, guys,
• 49:41
  Speaker 9: if I tell everybody to not hate anybody who's Jews,
• 49:45
  Speaker 9: in fact, I say I love Jewish people, I have
• 49:47
  Speaker 9: Jewish family, I have Jewish less Jewish resk because I
• 49:50
  Speaker 9: grew up in areas that were heavily Jewish, and so
• 49:53
  Speaker 9: I grew up with those guys my whole life.
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: My co founders are Jewish, on the young, terks, etc.
• 49:57
  Speaker 9: And if they say, well, that's the equivalent of a
• 49:59
  Speaker 9: guy saying that Hitler is cool and you should hate Jews.
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  Speaker 5: Well, then.
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  Speaker 9: You've made you taking the power away from actual bigotry
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  Speaker 9: and anti Semitism and fighting it. It's almost like a
• 50:14
  Speaker 9: Jesse Smolette situation where they're screaming anti Semitism when none exists,
• 50:19
  Speaker 9: and thereby cheapening the word and the concept and ironically
• 50:24
  Speaker 9: doing damage to that cost.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: That's such an important point.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Well, and I know Hassan had pointed out that one
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: of the previous speeches he gave at Oxford was on
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: the topic exactly of how important it is to separate
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: out Israel from the Jewish people. I mean, this is
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: something that you both underscore and focus on all the time.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: I'm curious, you know, I had seen previously that there
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: was I didn't follow it closely, but that there was
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: some MP in particular who like, was you know, really
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: gunning for Hassan specifically over some of his more controversial
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: I guess statements.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, is that where this came came from? Do
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: you think and then.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: You know, they once they realize like, oh, we're going
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: to ban Hassan, they're like, oh, well we've got you know,
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: his uncle, We're going to ban him too. Where what
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: do you think is the train of you know, how
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: this all came together to result in banning both of you.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: And do you think that that would extend to like,
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: you know, anyone who holds similar opinions, who's expressed similar things,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: either as influencers or online, et cetera.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so.
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  Speaker 9: Look who would apply to Who's going to be fascinating?
• 51:31
  Speaker 9: Professor Larry Lessig from Harvard's a good friend of mine.
• 51:34
  Speaker 9: He helped me out a little bit yesterday and today,
• 51:37
  Speaker 9: and what we found out is that these bands are
• 51:40
  Speaker 9: almost never reversed. Am I really going to be banned
• 51:44
  Speaker 9: from the United Kingdom for the rest of my life?
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: Am I really an enemy of the crown?
• 51:50
  Speaker 9: I mean this is I keep saying this is absurd
• 51:53
  Speaker 9: because I this is as insane as it gets.
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: So where is it coming from?
• 51:58
  Speaker 9: Probably from the Israeli lot and who else would it
• 52:00
  Speaker 9: come from? The Australian government. British citizens did they vote
• 52:05
  Speaker 9: on this? My guess is I would win in a
• 52:08
  Speaker 9: landslide if you actually asked the British citizens if my
• 52:11
  Speaker 9: speech should be banned. My guess is that my speech
• 52:13
  Speaker 9: is probably nearly identical to the majority of the British
• 52:17
  Speaker 9: citizens in terms of what my opinions are. Are they
• 52:21
  Speaker 9: going to start banning their own citizens? If you're you
• 52:24
  Speaker 9: a UK citizen and you leave the country, are they
• 52:28
  Speaker 9: going to let you back in if you've criticized Israel?
• 52:30
  Speaker 9: So is it that I'm a media figure? But what
• 52:32
  Speaker 9: if you said something in social media? Does that count
• 52:35
  Speaker 9: or is it just any opinion you had that you
• 52:38
  Speaker 9: stated to anyone will get you banned from Britain if
• 52:40
  Speaker 9: it's opposed to Kazakhstan.
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  Speaker 5: No, I'm sorry Israel, of course.
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  Speaker 9: I mean again, villa in any other country and it's preposterous.
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: And then they say, no, if you tell.
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  Speaker 9: Us it's preposterous when it comes to Israel, we'll call
• 52:54
  Speaker 9: you doubly anti Semitic. No, it's just insane. And and look,
• 53:00
  Speaker 9: it's not shared by any of our citizens. American citizens
• 53:04
  Speaker 9: don't agree. British Western worldwide, no one agrees. The only
• 53:09
  Speaker 9: people who want special privileges for Israel are government officials
• 53:14
  Speaker 9: and honestly mainstream media.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you, I'm very rarely shocked when I
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: heard that you guys were banned.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: I was stunned.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: This is the anglosphere, US cousins. I mean, you don't
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: even think when you get on a flight to the UK.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: I would think more getting on a flight to Saudi
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Arabia than I would on a flight to UK. And
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: yet it's the flight to the UK which got you banned.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Absolutely unbelievable. Yeah, how about that?
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Those Western values that were supposed to be you know,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: that's the reason we're allied with Israel, right, we've got
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: to defend Western values. And meanwhile, you know, they often
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: cause us to trample on what those supposed Western values are.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: And of course, with their genocide, ethnic cleansing, constant bombing
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: of other countries, don't rup certainly what I would want
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Western values to be. Now, maybe they do reveal the
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: true Western values. That's a different conversation for another day.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: But Jank, so great to have your insights in your
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: first person perspective on this. We really appreciate you taking
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: the time to join us. I know it's early in California,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: so extra thank you for.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: I really appreciate it, Jank. It's such an important thing.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: I think every American should hear about this. I really do,
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: thank you.
• 54:20
  Speaker 9: I really appreciate you. Guys and Chrystal. That last point
• 54:23
  Speaker 9: is so powerful. They say, oh, we're helping you with
• 54:25
  Speaker 9: Western civilization, but first you got to get rid of
• 54:28
  Speaker 9: your freedom speech, your freedom's altogether, and.
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: Only represent us.
• 54:34
  Speaker 9: No, that's not Western civilization at all, that's the exact opposite.
• 54:38
  Speaker 9: So and can you imagine being banned from the United
• 54:42
  Speaker 9: Kingdom because you oppose the genocide?
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, wow, how the world has changed.
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: Sick.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: We'll Schee later man, thank you, thank you guys, Thank
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: you guys so much for watching. We appreciate it. BRO
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: Show tomorrow. Don't miss that, Chrystal. We'll be back on Thursday.
• 55:01
  Speaker 9: It would ret