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Kashif Khan - Founder of The DNA Company | Hack Your Genetics To Look (And Feel) 10 Years Younger · Success Story with Scott Clary

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80% of dementia cases are in women is because your hormones that are meant to benefit
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you can cause inflammation if you're not doing the activity that your hormones are designed for.
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90% of the $4.3 trillion healthcare budget in the United States,
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What if your DNA held the key to reversing chronic illness and unlocking your full potential?
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Kashiv Khan, founder of the DNA company, has made it his mission to revolutionize
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personalized medicine by decoding the human genome from his upbringing in Vancouver
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to uncovering the genetic pathways shaping health and success.
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I was sick. I went through our sick care system. I didn't know what it was until I finally needed it.
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And all I was getting was here's what your thing is called and here's the pill you need.
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What I would ask why did it happen? Didn't get an answer.
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And so I started to go on this journey of self discovery of what's actually going on.
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I realized there's a whole world of things that we thought were alternative,
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which were the original medicine that actually do root cause.
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The belief was just like any other lab report, the testing company's job is to test.
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Really what was missing is what was the interpretation.
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So I needed to do that for myself to fix my problems.
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And so it reverted back to something that is a tool that everybody could use.
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Kashiv's journey is about more than science.
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It's about transforming lives through the unpilled podcast.
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He's making genomics accessible, inspiring a healthier, more empowered future.
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The last bit that people need to know is that some things that you think are healthy
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that is good for somebody else is actually bad for you.
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Some people decide to go to a keto diet when their genes actually don't allow them to do that.
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Gosh, I'm excited you're here all the way from from my hometown.
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Actually, I'm okay.
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So it's going to be fun.
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But to sort of like go through your life and some inflection points that have led you
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to where you are today, you'll see you transition from very successful marketing career,
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successful entrepreneur to a genomics company.
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And now you actually help people understand sort of inside what's making them tick,
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exactly what they're predisposed to, their DNA.
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All the things that I think could be a little bit scary for people to look into
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and understand and realize.
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When you look at your career, what was this pivotal moment that led you to go down this path?
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So it's actually the same as a lot of sort of functional health stories.
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If you could talk to a person that's amazing at fixing Lyme disease,
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amazing at fixing the gut.
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It's usually because their gut was broken or they had Lyme disease and they needed to figure it out.
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So I was sick.
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I went through our sick care system.
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I didn't know what it was until I finally needed it.
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And all I was getting was here's what your thing is called and here's the pill you need.
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And what I would ask, why did it happen?
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Didn't get an answer.
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And I honestly didn't even know that that's not what doctors did.
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Right?
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And so I started to go on this journey of self-discovery of what's actually going on biologically.
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Traditional Chinese medicine, medicine, natural path, the osteopath, the homeyok with the
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all this other stuff.
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And I realized there's a whole world of things that we thought were alternative,
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which were the original medicine that actually do root cause.
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And the big aha moment for me was when I got into my genome.
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And I finally found out why when my business partner who I lived in the same neighborhood,
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ate lunch with, worked with like same environment, same lifestyle, same everything,
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wasn't sick.
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And I was, which convinced me that it was real.
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I learned that there was genetic gaps and holes that I had where those same environment,
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same food, same lifestyle, I was not able to tolerate and he was.
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And that's why I got sick.
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And so I made adjustments and all of a sudden the eczema that kept my eye sealed shot was gone.
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The psoriasis were like, I would bleed.
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Oh, my knuckles was gone.
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My brain's gone.
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God issues gone.
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Depression gone.
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All gone.
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Everything's gone just by optimizing the way that you were built.
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Yeah.
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And what prompted you to identify that it was something in your DNA, in your,
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in your, in your basically like in your core composition that was different than somebody else?
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Is there a, before you built the DNA company, before you sort of championed this idea,
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was this a practice of medicine at all?
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So the functional medicine now exists.
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So medicine is here's diagnosis and prescription.
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Functional medicine is why did you get sick?
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Let's try and prevent it.
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Let's get to the root.
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So root cause functional medicine doesn't look at DNA, does it?
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They all sorts of fungalizing gut testing.
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You know, my, my go toxins, bio toxins and DNA.
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But even then the DNA tests were, the belief was just like any other lab report,
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the testing company's job is to test.
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Really, what was missing is, what, where's the interpretation?
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Most people will get a genetic report.
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It's like gibberish.
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What does this all mean?
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What was missing is how do I apply this?
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What's wrong and how do I fix it?
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Should be that simple and easy.
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So I needed to do that for myself to fix my problems.
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And so it regurgitated back as something that is a tool that everybody needs to produce.
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And then what do you actually start to see when you do this DNA test?
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I mean, the first version of this, you were trying to figure it out yourself.
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Was there a company that did this for you or were you just trying to figure it out yourself?
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You partnered with a lab somewhere.
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So I found a brilliant scientist in Toronto,
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who was actually working on this research.
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But as a scientist, didn't understand how to make it easy for people, right?
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PhD building a tool for PhDs, which is how PhDs think.
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So when I, what I saw, the big aha moment for me was,
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there's a gene called GSTM1.
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And it's a primary driver of glutathione activity in your gut.
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So glutathione is this antioxidant that removes toxins from your chemicals,
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plastics, pesticides, also to toxins from your body.
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And you would think that genes are what version I have, what variant, what mutation,
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what do you hear? I don't have the gene entirely missing for my genetic code.
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So the same Mediterranean hummus type food that me and my business partner were eating for lunch
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every day, thinking that it was healthy, Mediterranean diet.
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There's certain chemicals used to dry chickpeas to shrink them faster so that they could turn
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around the yield of the farm faster to get them out of the market faster.
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Potent toxin for me, most people just peel it out.
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Right? Because I literally don't have this first line of defense to neutralize that toxin.
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So over time, leaky gut, eczema, over time, also on immunity, psoriasis,
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it led to all of this stuff.
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So maybe even help people understand through evolution or biology, why would you not have that?
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So when we think about evolution, I also believe that this is the way to look at things.
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Right? Genetics will tell us that's the way to look at things.
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But the truth is for most genes, there's a couple possible variations.
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And it's a bit of a Russian roulette. What did mom and dad give me?
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Different versions and we end up a different, but this is kind of a cycle that we keep going through.
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The same versions are passed on and on. There's no change.
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There's no new versions. There's no new evolution.
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So it's random. It's literally random.
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Unless you have a population where, for example, in China, you have two ethnicities.
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You have the one Chinese, and then then you have another form.
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The large Mongolian big head, big body, and then the very thin,
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Bruce Lee prototype, strong lean, that's China, literally two ethnicities.
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So when you have it that close, you maintain those genes.
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But when you move to somewhere like the United States,
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where it's a melting pot and everything's mixing, right?
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You're no longer wired for your local environment.
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And this is why when you look at the blue zones where people live forever,
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they're not here other than there's one in California that has to do with,
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yeah, that's I think one of the last ones left.
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Yeah, it's one of us. And that has to do with their habits,
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their own religion, beliefs, purpose.
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But the food, environment, lifestyle of those local people hasn't changed a lot.
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And it's the hasn't stopped being aligned to their DNA.
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Right?
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Okay, so because the U.S. is a melting pot,
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and all these different ethnicities,
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all these different people getting together,
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so this is why we all have these random variations of genetics.
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And really nobody really knows what they have,
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or unless you're testing your parents, I'm assuming,
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and nobody's really even doing that.
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So then you could have these chronic conditions,
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that you have no idea why you have them.
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And in traditional healthcare, like you said,
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it's just sick care.
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You're giving pills, prescriptions to solve it,
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but it's not actually being solved.
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So a lot of people, I mean, you probably encounter this.
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A lot of people are probably living their whole life with chronic conditions.
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And they have no recourse,
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so they don't think they have recourse.
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And this is kind of the work that you do.
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Yeah.
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Okay, I understand.
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Okay, so then if you talk about your own journey,
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just walk me through,
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I know you have a great story about when you were dealing with a whole bunch of
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pain fumes, and this is what was causing the issue.
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And I think that really painted a really clear picture for
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how, what's the best way to say this?
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You didn't even know the environment was causing this stress,
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this really toxic result on your body.
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So walk us through that story.
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I think that's a very interesting story.
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And I think it's also a little bit scary,
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but then we can sort of talk about the potential,
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like the potential for testing and understanding,
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like is our environment actually hurting us,
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or is it something that's conducive to our health and well-being,
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but to start with your story, because it's interesting.
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So your genes are essentially instructions.
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So you have 50 trillion cells in your body.
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Every single one has this instruction manual inside.
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The various cells read the relevant section to know how to do their jobs,
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from making hormones to removing toxins,
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to metabolizing foods,
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into things that your cells can actually use, right?
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All these jobs are driven by the specific instructions.
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Sometimes they're spelling mistakes,
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paragraphs missing.
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So the job happens at a different level, right?
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So as, and on top of that is your environment,
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your nutrition, and your lifestyle.
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So what you said earlier about chronic disease,
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this is why it's caused and developed,
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but it's not innate, it's not hereditary.
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It's you have some genetic code that's broken.
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Add on top of that, distress, the bad food,
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you know, the chemicals, whatever it is,
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the one thing that you weren't genetically wired for,
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that can trigger the inflammation that leads to that eventual disease.
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It's a combination of hardware.
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I'm not wired properly, like you might have bad cardiovascular hardware.
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Doesn't matter unless you cause the inflammation to trigger
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cardiovascular failure.
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Otherwise, living at a beach in Aruba,
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no stress, eating fish out of the sea,
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you're not getting the cardiovascular disease
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with the exact same genetics.
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So that's what I discovered with myself,
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which was I walk into our building.
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We're building literally a calm pounding lab
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to custom make supplement protocols for people
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based on their DNA.
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And in that, we're using this epoxy
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to build what's called a clean room,
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like a lab where you see those white walls
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in the movies, right, it's a call, right?
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So the glue that is deemed as safe
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that where I live, health Canada allows utilization
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of their testing on the average population,
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right, go test a thousand people
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and if five gets sick, no problem.
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But I'm one of the five.
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So as opposed to this big picture clinical data model
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we have, which is one size fits all trial and error.
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Hopefully it works for you.
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And it worked on seven out of 10 people.
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That's good enough.
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What about the three that it didn't work for?
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And if I'm one of those three for that particular
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context of this epoxy glue,
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and when it enters my body,
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I am not able to remove it effectively.
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So it lingers and lingers and causes inflammation.
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And that's when my Exima peaked.
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So I already have leaky gut causing inflammation.
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Then I add this additional layer
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of environmental toxin that I'm not able to remove
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for my body that everybody else,
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there was a team of these, there was this Irish crew, right?
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That's what they do day in and day out every day
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that didn't get sick because they're genetically wired
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to push on other body, right?
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They don't have this issue that I have.
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I'm genetically missing that ability.
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So I got sick.
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And once again, blame the sickness.
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So once I learned all this, I started to do two things.
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Remove the threats, the things that my body can tolerate,
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and add the right nutrients to fortify the broken biology.
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I don't need to take every supplement in the world.
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I need to take exactly what makes up for the genes that don't work.
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And then it's as if they do work.
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And I don't have the problem anymore.
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So you're saying that with proper supplementation,
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you can actually fix these gaps.
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It's a combination of nutrients.
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So what are you eating, food supplements,
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and lifestyle and environment?
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It's these three buckets.
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And really, we got it backwards where
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we believe genetics is you have a risk of this.
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Now go to your doctor.
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It's more like genetics is here's what's broken.
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Now here's what your habits should be.
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If you have this side of habits, you're a thrive.
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If they have this side of habits,
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here's exactly where all these disease will come from.
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And it truly becomes optional at that point.
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How are you going to feel?
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I mean, I've heard you speak about Alzheimer's and dementia quite a bit.
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And I'm predisposed to that.
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I think to some degree, because I think my grandpa got it.
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And I actually did a DNA test of some sort.
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I can't remember which one it was.
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But it was showing like that was like the one thing
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that I should look out for.
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And I've thought about like lifestyle changes and food and whatnot.
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But I've never really considered environment.
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And I've never even thought that there's supplementation
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that could completely or with a high degree of success,
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find a way to sort of push off or delay Alzheimer's dementia.
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So you're saying that like I'm sure you know a lot about this.
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There are like supplement combinations if you are in the proper environment
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and your health and wellness is sort of on point
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that you can actually push yourself even if you're predisposed to it.
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Perfect example of what is believed as possible.
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Even at the medical level, the doctor tells you
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you have this genetic worker.
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It speaks to an elevated risk of dementia.
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Watch out.
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And the anxiety of that alone will cause the dementia
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because that's one of the causes is high cortisol.
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So we really need to use that more as a priority
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as opposed to a prescription.
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What biology actually leads to this outcome?
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So we reverse engineering.
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So what do we see?
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By the way, Chris Hemsworth, Thor,
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we used to do during our research a lot of work on the Marvel movie sets.
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So the trainers or the stars would work with them
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to build these cocktails to keep people at their best
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so that you know those long shoot days,
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they had good recovery, good everything, good energy, good sleep.
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And so because of that, the producer that made the show limitless,
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remember Chris put out the show right?
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We were supposed to work on that show on the genetic episode
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and then COVID hit production got shut down.
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Chris is in Australia.
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I said, you know what?
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I'm going to just do it anyway.
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I'm going to pick up some cameras with my buddies
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and that's what he did.
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So in that episode where he did the genetic test,
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he was told you have the APO aging, right?
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Alzheimer's.
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I know that was like a big story.
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It was a tabloid story.
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Yeah.
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Everybody has the gene.
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What version you have determines what clinicians will say is a very low risk,
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eight to 10 times risk or 17 to 25 times risk of getting dementia
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versus the average population.
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If you ask that doctor that told Chris that nice,
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literally sent an email to the producer saying,
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I just watched this episode.
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This is nonsense.
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There's so much more, right?
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Here's what I told him that yes,
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this gene is linked to people that have Alzheimer's
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because we only study things in a disease-centric setting.
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Farmer companies don't study healthy people
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to ask them why they didn't get sick.
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They study people with a disease
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and figure out what genes are tied to it
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because that helps them make pills, right?
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But that's too late.
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What does this gene do?
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This gene is responsible for lipid transport,
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so moving cholesterol in your body,
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literally moving it around.
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So everybody has this.
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Everybody has this gene, right?
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If you have inflammation in your brain,
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this gene is irresponsible to send cholesterol there
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to fight the inflammation.
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Cholesterol is a very beneficial hormone
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that fixes things all over your body.
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It's also a root for your sex hormones,
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like testosterone, et cetera.
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It's also good for your brain, right?
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If you have the bad transport tool,
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you don't do a good job of transport.
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And so when you have the inflammation,
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the cholesterol deployed,
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it's easier for some to get less behind,
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left behind, I should say,
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and start to build what we call an AMOLED plaque,
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this plaque in your brain.
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That plaque starts to choke at the brain cells,
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kill the brain cells,
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and eventually lead to cognitive decline.
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And the behavior that a doctor will call Alzheimer's.
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But if you actually reverse engineer it,
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step one, why did I have inflammation in my brain?
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All right, if that didn't happen,
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I didn't need to worry about what version of this gene
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that I had, which only comes from
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this disease-centric thinking,
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which is where research money goes, right?
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I understand.
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So what causes the brain inflammation?
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Do you have leaky gut?
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Like I did, which is why I had brain frog and depression.
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Toxins exiting your gut wall,
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crossing the blood brain barrier,
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causing brain inflammation.
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That's one big cause.
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Do you have high stress, constant high cortisol,
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which is another source of brain inflammation?
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You need to tone that down.
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Metabolically dysfunctional.
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What are you eating?
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And what are your unique genetics saying
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about your ability to process those things?
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Some people decide to become a vegan,
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some people decide to go to a keto diet
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when their genes actually don't allow them to do that,
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and they're going to get sick from that thing.
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All right, fourth is environmental.
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And this is probably the big underlying one
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that most people don't realize.
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There's a gentleman named Dr. Tom O'Brien
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who's one of the pioneers of the functional medicine movement.
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And he did some research in California and said
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that 66% of California's dementia
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is based on what people are breathing.
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You know, one hour of LA traffic
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is an equivalent to a pack of cigarettes
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in terms of the amount of inflammation that causes, right?
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So when you do that day and end day out,
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the cause of brain inflammation just increased.
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The last one in the big one,
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this is why 80% of dementia cases are in women
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is because your hormones that are meant to benefit
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you can cause inflammation
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if you're not doing the activity
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that your hormones are designed for, right?
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And some women make toxic estrogens
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that can reside in your brain cause inflammation.
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So all of these five things,
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so when I got your gene results,
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say we were working back then when you got your thing,
20:18
I said, okay, park this, don't worry.
20:20
Let's look at these five things, right?
20:22
If we plug the gaps and holes on these five things
20:25
with either the right supplement
20:26
or the removal of the wrong habit
20:27
or cleaning up the environment,
20:29
whatever your priority is, it's not happening.
20:32
No end-brain, you don't have brain inflammation now,
20:34
which is why you don't have dementia now, right?
20:36
Once you get to a certain age,
20:38
your mitochondria, the energy that's in the brain,
20:40
starts to also reduce.
20:41
So the ability to fight the inflammation changes
20:44
and that's why it's an old age disease.
20:46
So if you start to look at all these little pieces of
20:48
what's the biology actually driving the net outcome,
20:50
you can work on each step
20:51
and then it becomes a choice.
20:53
You don't need to have this thing
20:54
that you're told you have a risk for.
20:55
So all these predispose to cancer,
21:00
predispose to heart disease.
21:02
They're all things that can be mitigated to some degree.
21:05
So there is some truth to genetic conditions, right?
21:10
That is less than 3% of healthcare.
21:12
According to the CDC, 90% of the $4.3 trillion
21:16
healthcare budget in the United States
21:18
is spent on chronic disease management,
21:20
things that are caused that we do not need to have,
21:23
you're not born with it, it's not in you,
21:25
you cause it, no faults of your own,
21:27
you didn't know any better,
21:28
what you ate, what you breathed,
21:30
the toxic people you're surrounded yourself by,
21:31
whatever it was, caused the inflammation,
21:34
the cause of disease.
21:35
So if we can eliminate that in the United States
21:39
of the top 15 reasons why people die,
21:42
14 are rooted in inflammation.
21:46
So if you don't have inflammation,
21:48
when whatever part of your body,
21:49
which leads to whatever disease,
21:51
those are all off the table.
21:53
And that also when you go from a,
21:55
like you said, this expectation
21:58
that you get your first chronic disease at 55,
22:00
which is the American average,
22:01
second by 65,
22:03
and you spend the last 15 years of your life in treatment.
22:06
That is the norm.
22:07
Versus a few simple tweaks and all of a sudden
22:10
you jump from 78 average life expectancy to 90.
22:13
Like I don't smoke, I eat clean,
22:16
I exercise three times a week
22:17
and this literally by the way is a result
22:19
of a Harvard study.
22:21
They studied a bunch of nine-year-old plus people
22:23
and they said, here's the five things they didn't smoke.
22:25
They exercise more than three days a week.
22:27
They drank less than three drinks a week.
22:29
They were not obese and they had a healthy whole food diet.
22:33
That was it.
22:34
I got them from 78 to N.
22:35
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24:22
that are making us sick.
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I was going to say it seems like our whole life is actually,
24:25
so it's ironic because everything you just mentioned
24:26
is so common sense and so easy, but our whole life,
24:30
and most people's lives are city food, stressful environment,
24:34
and we just go through it every single day.
24:36
And I think that intuitively we always think,
24:38
oh, I'll get better.
24:40
And I'll be less stressed and I'll work less
24:42
and I'll eat better.
24:43
I'll do it later.
24:43
I'll put it off, right?
24:45
Yeah, to prevent Alzheimer's in your 60s,
24:47
you need to start working on your health when you're 35, right?
24:50
Because the chronic disease is not a switch
24:52
that gets turned on over time,
24:54
that your body is able to fight
24:56
and is resilient at that age
24:58
and can tone it down that all of a sudden the disease wins.
25:00
And one last thought there is that the sort of kickered
25:04
all this is yes, adopt healthy habits.
25:08
The last bit that people need to know is that
25:10
some things that you think are healthy,
25:12
that is good for somebody else is actually bad for you.
25:14
That's the X factor, where you got that's the X to yeah.
25:17
Yeah, and that's the thing where that's how you get
25:19
from 90 to 120.
25:20
If you look at actually RNA to cells,
25:23
aging is the degradation of DNA.
25:25
So damage, oxidization, environmental wear and tear,
25:29
there's these caps on our DNA called telomeres
25:31
that are like bumpers wear and tear.
25:33
They're physically designed to last 120 years.
25:36
So we know that our cells are designed to last 120 years.
25:39
That's what we're supposed to get to.
25:41
Measuring those can indicate your biological.
25:43
Exactly. Okay.
25:45
So that's why we use it for biological age measurement.
25:47
We know they're supposed to last to 120.
25:49
So if we already know that, we know 120 is what we're wired for.
25:53
And it's supposed to be 120 and you see it.
25:54
So we're building ourselves.
25:56
We are taking years away that we already have as a God-given gift.
26:00
When somebody says, because I know I can't remember
26:02
what your biological age is versus your actual age.
26:06
But I know that you've sort of reversed the clock
26:08
on your biological age.
26:10
And I know like Brian Johnson is doing this as well.
26:12
And a lot of these like longevity people
26:14
are trying to reverse the biological age.
26:17
And we can talk about that because that's a very fascinating topic.
26:20
I also want to know what are like the mission
26:22
critical things to do that versus the spending $2 million a year
26:25
to do that because it's a wide disparity.
26:28
And I think that throws people off sometimes.
26:30
But when you look at reversing your biological age,
26:33
what is your biological age first part of that question?
26:37
And secondly, does that mean that you're repairing your telomeres
26:41
or are you, for example, when you're
26:43
reversed your biological age saying, you in particular,
26:45
actually now they're set to last until 130 or 140.
26:51
Is that technically what you're doing?
26:54
So the goal is, and I'm not here trying to live forever, right?
26:57
I believe there's an afterlife.
26:59
I'm glad to go there, right?
27:00
And my belief is I was given this body in a certain condition.
27:04
I want to return it and the condition I got it in.
27:06
For me, that's a form of doing good work,
27:08
doing call it worship, whatever you want to call it, right?
27:11
And so it's kind of, and then to teach all those things
27:13
that I learned to other people.
27:15
So what is biological age?
27:17
Yeah, your passport tells you how old you are, right?
27:19
Inside, whether it's elasticity of the cardiovascular system.
27:23
So how malleable is that tissue?
27:26
There's a genetic expression.
27:28
So how are your genes actually regulating themselves
27:30
and expressing through something called methylation,
27:32
which you can measure, this big complicated algorithm
27:34
that tells you your biological age?
27:36
Then there's something called glycanagene, which
27:40
is, you know, there's glycons that literally are in short,
27:44
slowly cooking yourselves and aging them, right?
27:47
And so how cooked are you, essentially?
27:50
And then there's telomeres, which is how much damage
27:52
have your cells received.
27:54
So in my case, reversing age, which was not the intention
27:57
it was a bi-park.
27:57
I didn't even realize until I tested it, right?
28:00
When I started, when I was 38 years old,
28:03
my biological age, when I was still sick,
28:04
started fixing things, biological age was 43.
28:07
I'm now 45 years old and I'm tested as 33.
28:11
And it's been 33 for the last three years, right?
28:14
So again, not a vein intention.
28:16
It's more like what's possible, right?
28:18
What can we actually do here so I can teach other people
28:20
that need the help?
28:21
So the whole goal there is 120 does seem to be very possible.
28:26
You don't need to spend $2 million a year.
28:27
What you need to do is understand the threats to you
28:32
and what you're wired for, right?
28:34
I'll give you an example that paints a picture of how
28:37
even the thing that you think is healthy may hurt you, right?
28:41
And that will help people understand how the habits
28:43
are the key to all of this.
28:44
It's you don't need to add stuff.
28:46
Each remove what you weren't wired for,
28:48
that will get you to 120.
28:50
Then all these things that we're trying to add,
28:52
all the coal plunge, red light, all this stuff,
28:53
that should be life extension, right?
28:55
Last 120.
28:56
Yeah, that should be like, how do we push further, right?
28:59
But we already have this in us.
29:01
So give me an example.
29:02
There's a tennis player I was working with.
29:04
Our company, you know, he had approached us,
29:07
USWim opened Wimbledon level player, right?
29:10
That anyone would know their name.
29:12
And he was told while still playing at Wimbledon,
29:15
US Open level, you need a cholesterol pill.
29:18
Like a lipitor?
29:19
Yeah, yeah, a statinolitor, right?
29:21
Like what best training, best food, best,
29:23
like why would I have a cholesterol issue, right?
29:26
So that's when they sent him to us,
29:27
thinking there must be some genetic issue.
29:29
Let's figure this out.
29:31
So we showed them there's no genetic issue.
29:33
There's genomics, so here's his wiring.
29:36
Let's map him out and then habits
29:37
that were not aligned to the way he was mapped.
29:39
This did not need to happen.
29:40
And in fact, it can be reversed.
29:41
So your mitochondria,
29:43
every one of your cells has mitochondria in it.
29:46
This is a tool that your cell uses
29:48
to draw on the oxygen that you just breathed,
29:50
the nutrition of your bloodstream to create energy.
29:53
Cellular energy and the energy you feel.
29:56
In the, in when you use oxygen to make energy,
29:58
you make something called an oxidant.
30:00
And oxidant is a free radical that causes inflammation.
30:03
And there's a pathway, a genetic pathway
30:05
that's meant to get that out of your body,
30:06
remove it, clear it, just like a chimney
30:08
pull smoke out of a fireplace, right?
30:10
What if you don't have a chimney?
30:11
What if your genetics are like blocked and clogged,
30:14
like this guy was?
30:15
He was in a role where he was in high oxidative stress,
30:19
running, running, running, training, training, training,
30:21
running, running, training, training, training,
30:23
taking in a lot of oxygen, meaning more oxidants
30:27
with a genetic pathway that did not remove the oxidants,
30:30
starting to cause inflammation.
30:32
Now we look at the hardware side.
30:34
There's a gene called 9P2 on where if you look
30:37
at your cardiovascular system and take the arteries,
30:40
and if I were to splice the artery, look at that tube,
30:42
the inner lining is called the endothelium, right?
30:45
So this membrane, which that's what the blood
30:47
actually touches, right?
30:48
This membrane.
30:49
He had the worst quality version of that membrane.
30:52
We can predict this genetically.
30:53
So his process of the mitochondria and the hardware.
30:57
So where this bad process of removing oxidants
31:00
caused the inflammation first was this bad hardware, right?
31:04
Started inflamed this tissue and inflamed this tissue.
31:06
And eventually, just like I said about the brain,
31:08
body deploys cholesterol to start fixing this tissue.
31:12
When the cholesterol meets the free radical that
31:14
caused the damage in the first place, it also gets damaged.
31:17
It also oxidizes, yeah, there's like flywheel effect.
31:19
Yeah, that is body, exactly.
31:21
And now he was fueling this flywheel with his habit of training,
31:25
overtraining.
31:27
So we will yet to show him was two things.
31:29
Let's fortify this endothelium.
31:31
There's certain nutrients that if you were to take them
31:33
for six months, it's as if you had the good version
31:35
of the gene, resilient, right?
31:37
Let's fortify the mitochondria.
31:39
Let's add some nutrients that make up for your bad genes.
31:41
And let's change your training.
31:42
Get into more resistance, get into more active recovery, yoga,
31:46
Pilates type stuff.
31:47
Then you did a little bit of oxidative stress
31:49
during the game, you're good, right?
31:51
He no longer needed a pill.
31:53
Amazing, right?
31:54
The true belief that I know how this disease and medication
31:58
managing it versus what caused it?
32:00
Let's pick apart all these little flywheels
32:02
and start fueling them with the wrong things.
32:05
I think that, I mean, the work you do is fabulous.
32:08
I just don't think that a lot of people think that way.
32:10
I don't think a lot of people think like what causes.
32:12
I think people just, I mean, I know a lot of people
32:15
that suffer for years with these, with these infelmations,
32:18
with these like gut issues, they have no idea
32:21
they're trying to switch their diet every,
32:23
and they have no idea what to do.
32:25
And again, the issue is like you'll go online
32:27
and you'll, a lot of people I think attribute
32:30
a lot of their problems to like their diet.
32:32
That's kind of like the go to.
32:34
And then you can play around with that
32:35
and you can try and fix that.
32:36
But I don't think a lot of people really understand
32:38
the effect that your environment, your stress
32:41
can have on your body, like truly, truly understand it.
32:44
And even I was listening to you with Evan Carmichael.
32:48
Right here.
32:48
And you were speaking about like some of the clothing
32:51
that you wear and like forever chemicals
32:54
that go into your body.
32:55
So if you were going to just list out,
32:57
I think it's very important.
32:58
So I think people have like a grasp on food
33:00
and how important it is.
33:01
And even like, and even like the bacteria
33:05
you're gutting, how it breaks it down
33:07
and you have to have this whole process.
33:08
But maybe speak about just some of the environmental factors
33:11
that people may not think about
33:13
that could impact you in a negative way.
33:14
I would say the big one is EMF, so electronic pollution,
33:18
right?
33:18
And I'm saying that we're sitting in a studio.
33:20
I know I'm really, you know,
33:21
but it's really the signal,
33:24
so the Wi-Fi and those types of signals.
33:26
So EMF, the data that we have that tells us
33:30
that a cell phone is safe hasn't been updated since the 1980s.
33:34
What did a cell phone look like in the 1980s?
33:37
Right, it was a brick.
33:38
It was a brick.
33:39
It wasn't a 5G supercomputer,
33:41
which now signals a cell phone tower 900 times a minute,
33:45
15 times a second.
33:46
It's like you're making 15 phone calls per second
33:48
in your pocket, right?
33:50
The safety data on these cell phones from the 1980s
33:54
was very intentionally done on military men
33:56
that are six foot four tall plus, six foot four inches, right?
34:01
Meaning that their skulls were super thick.
34:03
How do you even use a six foot four person
34:05
as a sample size of a population?
34:06
I'm like six foot two,
34:07
and I'm already like the tall guy in Miami.
34:09
Like, not a normal height.
34:12
This is where a study can prove whatever you want, right?
34:16
And if your intention is to get this stuff to market,
34:18
you know how to build a study.
34:19
And now a female skull, which is half that thickness,
34:22
a child skull, which is one quarter of that thickness,
34:24
cannot handle any of what's, and again,
34:27
hasn't been updated in 1980.
34:29
So it's only the same.
34:29
Not only the wrong avatar for the actual test,
34:33
like we're not all just walking around
34:34
like Scandinavians, a six foot,
34:37
but also just the amount of radiation.
34:39
I guess is it radiation or?
34:40
It's radiation EMF.
34:42
So EMF, the danger is these waves,
34:47
are most waves are meant to pass through your body.
34:50
These stick, right?
34:51
So it's like any other toxin.
34:53
That's like the forever chemicals
34:54
that you will get from clothes, like fast fashion clothes,
34:56
but just in the digital form.
34:59
Yeah, that's fine.
35:00
The modern version, right?
35:01
And so they stick and they linger
35:03
and cause inflammation.
35:04
It's ubiquitous everywhere, right?
35:06
It's literally everywhere.
35:07
So some strategy around first world hygiene, right?
35:11
Like what do you do when you're at home
35:12
and turning the wifi off when you're sleeping?
35:14
Some strategy are on neutralizing.
35:15
There's devices you can plug in the wall
35:17
that will take that wave and allow it to pass through your body, right?
35:20
There's even devices you can wear.
35:21
You see people with stickers on their phones and things?
35:24
What does that thing do?
35:24
Well, literally neutralizes the wave
35:26
so that it's not hitting you, but passing through you.
35:29
That one simple thing, you know,
35:31
the research that just came out of India
35:32
and India is researching this better than anyone right now.
35:35
Of children, now our current teenage children
35:39
have a 418% increase in brain cancer and brain tumors.
35:43
So these are the kids that have now been
35:45
on the iPads for 10 years, right?
35:47
So just to know that that's a big one.
35:51
I would say another one that is under the radar and affects
35:54
now men even more so than we ever saw,
35:57
but mostly women is all the hormone disruption.
36:00
So everything we set, the chemicals, the food, et cetera,
36:03
not only the inflammation it causes the way we know,
36:06
but how it messes up your hormone system.
36:08
So what they do is these chemicals that enter your body
36:12
say you went outside and breed some pesticides,
36:14
hormone disrupting.
36:15
When the chemical enters your body,
36:17
your body isn't recognized what it is
36:19
and assumes it's estrogen.
36:21
So it allows it to utilize an estrogen docking station.
36:24
And it's not estrogen, so there's no signal.
36:27
There's no hormone signal.
36:27
So you're not getting the signal
36:28
for the job that estrogen is supposed to do.
36:31
And the actual estrogen you're making
36:33
is now free flowing in your bloodstream causing inflammation.
36:36
Is this why you see testosterone decline in men?
36:39
This is why you're seeing, look at all these memes
36:41
you're seeing it look at a school yard today
36:43
versus the 1950s, all that hormone disruption.
36:46
This is why you're seeing in women, 80% of,
36:49
like I said, dementia, 80% of autoimmune cases.
36:52
You name the big stuff, it's hitting women much harder.
36:55
How many women are complaining of anxiety and depression?
36:58
Because their hormones are completely messed up
37:00
and they can't fire the way they're supposed to fire.
37:03
And yes, for men, they're not men anymore.
37:07
And I mean that in terms of behavior,
37:09
mood, vitality, energy levels, libido, muscle tone,
37:13
fat, being able to burn fat off your body,
37:17
it doesn't look like any more
37:18
because your hormones are messed up.
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I mean, that's unnerving,
38:12
but I mean, if you go through this process
38:15
and you understand not just your genetics,
38:17
but your genomic and you go through the testing process
38:21
that you built a company around as a DNA company,
38:27
are there, when you look at the environmental factors,
38:29
it impact your hormones and your health and well-being,
38:34
are there universal ones that,
38:36
I mean, you mentioned some right there,
38:37
but are there other universal ones
38:38
that we should be like considering outside of you?
38:40
I mean, I'm pretty sure everyone
38:42
does not willingly expose themselves to pesticides.
38:47
They obviously don't want that.
38:48
Everyone's trying their best.
38:49
You mentioned EMF and you mentioned some devices,
38:52
but are there other things like maybe even in the food
38:54
that we eat or the clothes that we wear
38:56
that impact our hormones that are just sort of like best practices
38:59
across the board, not just tailored to one particular person?
39:03
I would say your personal care products,
39:05
go all these fragrances.
39:07
There's a study that just came out of this university
39:09
in Belgium like two months ago
39:11
saying that the indoor air quality of American homes
39:13
is now four to five times worse than outdoor pollution.
39:17
And the homes haven't changed.
39:19
What's changed is when you add up the salt, shampoo,
39:21
conditioner, fabric softener, sunscreen,
39:25
each having their own unique set of chemicals and fragrances
39:27
and the fragrances are really the problem.
39:29
They, and you live in a drywall box that doesn't breathe
39:32
and your windows are closed,
39:33
the accumulative total effect is far beyond
39:35
what we can tolerate, right?
39:37
So that's a big one is,
39:39
so there's a, there's a nod for profit
39:41
called the environmental working group.
39:42
I would go to their website and if that's one thing
39:45
everybody does today, just learn what you need
39:47
to throw toss on the trash, right?
39:49
What's hurting you slowly, you didn't realize?
39:50
When you, when you add it all up together,
39:52
the other big one I would say is mold.
39:53
People don't realize 50% of American homes
39:57
now have mold in them.
39:58
And it's whether you see it or not,
40:00
it's in the drywall, maybe in ceiling tiles,
40:02
our schools are full of mold.
40:04
And these, the mold that enters your body,
40:06
again, there's different genetics on how people push that out
40:09
and some people do a good job,
40:10
some people do a bad job.
40:11
If you're doing a bad job, you're gonna, again,
40:13
anxiety, gut issues, chronic pain, all sorts of stuff
40:16
that never gets blamed at mold.
40:18
They all get treated as separate siloed diseases, right?
40:22
So those are a couple of big ones.
40:25
I mean, I would also say, you know,
40:27
I think about habits that you wouldn't normally lean on.
40:31
When you look at Okinawa, Japan,
40:34
one of the big things they point to is their brain.
40:36
And this is one of the most studied blue zones.
40:38
And what they blame, or not it's a blame,
40:41
point success to, from there, why they got to old age,
40:44
is what they call ikagai.
40:46
And ikagai is sense of purpose.
40:48
Meaning that grandma never becomes grandma.
40:51
Grandma always has a role in the community.
40:54
Grandma walks the children to school every day.
40:56
Grandpa picks up the cigarette bottles
40:57
to make sure the community's clean.
40:59
Grandma sweeps the leaves off the bus stops.
41:01
Everyone's clothes are clean.
41:03
Sense of purpose, never retire, never stop.
41:06
And not necessary monetary, but what is my job?
41:08
How am I woven into this fabric?
41:11
And because they have a sense of purpose,
41:12
their brain continually tells their body,
41:15
I need to stay young.
41:16
I need to be healthy.
41:17
This is a very real phenomenon.
41:18
Like when, because I think just without understanding
41:21
any of the science behind it,
41:23
I always felt that when people retired, they declined.
41:25
And I mean, I've seen people that work their whole life
41:28
in a retire than like die in a year.
41:30
So there's actual science as to why you have to have purpose
41:33
and you have to have meaning in your life.
41:34
And you can't just lay on a beach sipping my ties
41:36
at like 55 till 80.
41:38
Yeah, and you'll see people that their love of their life
41:40
dies and then they die a year later in old age, right?
41:43
Because purpose is gone.
41:45
So the brain doesn't know what's happening.
41:48
The brain is relying on your thoughts.
41:50
And when I say thoughts, the conscious words in your head,
41:53
you have 40 million heart, like brain cells,
41:56
neural cells in your heart.
41:57
You have neural cells in a mini brain in your gut
41:59
so that instinct that you feel is a form of thought
42:01
that gets communicated through the vagus nerve
42:03
up to the brain.
42:04
The emotion you feel is a form of thought
42:06
and your words in your head are form of thought.
42:08
These two, the heart and the gut don't lie, right?
42:11
Your emotion and instinct are always honest and true.
42:14
So are you on that path of purpose or not?
42:17
And if you're not, you can be sitting on the beach
42:19
in my type, feeling okay.
42:21
But if you feel lost, if you feel like you're not connected,
42:24
if you feel like there's no healthy relationships
42:25
with all these things, the heart and brain don't lie.
42:29
And that's what your brain starts to receive.
42:30
It's like, okay, I guess I'm done here, right?
42:33
Versus I need to keep going, sense of purpose.
42:35
And then what that does for mitochondria, energy in your brain.
42:38
Your brain has the second highest density of mitochondria
42:40
in your body after your heart.
42:42
So signaling what we call mitochondria, new mitochondria,
42:45
new energy, new resilience relies on what are your habits?
42:49
Do you need it or not?
42:50
And your body will give you exactly what you're asking for.
42:54
We spoke briefly about like the food that you eat
42:57
and how that affects your health and well-being
42:59
and people still that they get that.
43:02
But how reliable is the body, for example,
43:06
if I start a keto diet,
43:07
and I feel like I have a little bit more energy or whatnot,
43:10
how reliable is that feeling in terms of is this diet good for me?
43:15
So this is where a lot of people get stuck.
43:18
Whenever you make a big change like that,
43:21
everybody feels great in the first couple of weeks.
43:24
Keto, vegan, low carb, whatever you do, right?
43:27
A big part of what you're doing is you're also going clean.
43:30
You're cutting out all the nonsense, right?
43:31
So inflammation comes down, brain fog goes away,
43:34
joints feel better.
43:36
If you have suboptimal ability to convert that fat into fuel,
43:41
so there's a gene called ApoA2 that's responsible
43:44
to turn saturated fat into fuel,
43:47
you're still going to feel good in the first couple of weeks
43:48
because you're getting the ketosis, ketones in the brain,
43:51
feels so good.
43:52
About six to eight weeks into it,
43:55
you're going to start to get brain fog,
43:57
your hormones are going to start to disregulated,
43:59
you're going to start to experience fatigue,
44:00
you're going to have mood issues,
44:02
but you're not going to blame the diet
44:04
because it felt so good in the first two weeks,
44:06
something else happened.
44:06
Something else, and you're going to believe,
44:08
I have anxiety, I have fatigue,
44:09
oh, I have an autoimmune condition,
44:10
that's what a doctor is going to call it, right?
44:12
And where we see this the most is in veganism,
44:14
hate to say that, but it's true, right?
44:16
Where the genetics of what it takes to actually make
44:19
the enzymes to break down plant proteins,
44:21
to be able to use spinach as fuel,
44:23
most of us aren't doing well there, right?
44:25
The genetics of being able to actually maintain
44:27
the gut microbiome diversity to eat those foods,
44:30
most of us genetically aren't doing well there,
44:32
but there'll be an issue within complete amino acids too.
44:34
Yeah, so if you can't use a protein, how are you building,
44:37
and this is where you see, you know,
44:39
some time, a few months into it,
44:41
like muscle tone changes,
44:43
there's like a sucked in skeletal kind of look going on, right?
44:47
And so you literally don't have the amino acid activity
44:50
to build yourself, those are building blocks, right?
44:53
So if you can't convert the protein, use it as fuel,
44:55
you're peeing and pooping it out,
44:56
underutilize your body will struggle and suffer.
44:59
And so it usually takes about two years
45:02
before someone gets really sick,
45:04
you know, like literally I need a,
45:05
I nobody can figure like that point,
45:07
they're not attributing into the diet.
45:09
Not at all, because it feels like all these diseases,
45:12
right, the symptoms are so vastly expressed now,
45:14
feels like diagnosable diseases.
45:16
So and by that time, and I, where did I learn this first?
45:21
There's an oncologist in California that we work with
45:23
and on unique and rare breast cancer cases
45:26
where the pathology is crazy, like what,
45:28
let's figure this out, right?
45:30
And so she started to struggle, right?
45:32
And one thing she recommends to everything
45:34
of breast cancer patients go vegan, right?
45:37
And so she started to struggle, we couldn't figure out.
45:38
So I went back and said, you tell me what you're diet
45:41
and she said, no, no, no, no, no, no,
45:42
we just didn't want to go there, right?
45:44
Finally went there, I said, the day you got sick
45:46
was the day you became vegan.
45:48
And it took time to get there.
45:49
So that's where we learned it.
45:51
And you know, it was implementing that
45:54
and more people were seeing this reversal
45:55
of these autoimmune chronic disease type symptoms
45:58
simply because they can't break these foods down.
46:00
Is there, I mean, without understanding
46:01
some of these unique circumstances
46:03
and who they are as a person, is there a diet
46:06
that is sort of like a best practice
46:08
across the board for everyone?
46:09
You mentioned old foods, but other other other parts
46:13
of that diet that people should consider
46:14
like certain supplementation that is just
46:16
for 99% of the population in that positive.
46:19
I would say baseline, if you don't know what you're doing,
46:22
start paleo, paleo is clean
46:25
and will give you the nutrients you need
46:26
that very few people aren't getting what they need.
46:29
But consider that because our soil is over sprayed,
46:33
the soil is dead and the one thing we're missing
46:35
from even the best food is minerals.
46:38
It's very hard to get minerals from food today.
46:41
The belief is you are what you eat.
46:43
It's really you are what you eat eight, right?
46:46
Because the fruit is something that draws minerals
46:48
from the roots of the tree
46:49
and puts it into the context you can actually consume, right?
46:52
And so the soil is dead.
46:53
You're not getting what you should,
46:54
you might still get the sugar,
46:55
you might still get some vitamins,
46:56
but you're not getting minerals.
46:58
And this is where a lot of people struggling.
46:59
If you take the minerals out of your body,
47:02
all that's left is a puddle of water, literally, right?
47:05
And so there's so much more bone density issues
47:07
with women with osteopenia.
47:08
Now we're seeing so many more men
47:10
that get into their fifties with osteopenia
47:11
and osteoporosis because of lack of minerals.
47:14
So that's the one thing I think everyone needs to add
47:15
is this opulence.
47:16
Very good.
47:17
I want to talk about,
47:18
because this is a very interesting,
47:19
actually when you're a PR rep
47:23
or your publicity rep or your show
47:24
and she was trying to organize this podcast,
47:27
the sort of like the thesis for the show was around
47:31
how there's like brain chemistry
47:34
and these genetic markers for like optimal entrepreneurship
47:37
and optimal work performance.
47:39
And I thought that was fascinating
47:41
because of some of the stuff that you speak about,
47:42
I've heard before,
47:44
I've never heard anyone speak about this before,
47:46
but this was something that sort of impacted your journey.
47:48
So you understood your brain chemistry
47:51
and how it impacted your ability to be an entrepreneur.
47:54
And I want to learn a little bit more about that.
47:57
And then I want to learn how we can use it.
47:59
Cause I don't know,
47:59
I don't know how to use that when I'm hiring somebody,
48:01
but that's fascinating.
48:03
Yeah, so this was a big aha woman first
48:05
because everything I did,
48:05
and I think this is why it required somebody
48:08
from the outside coming in
48:09
asking the right questions
48:10
that didn't have a sort of predetermined idea
48:13
of what genetics was, right?
48:16
And so for me, it was just solving problems, right?
48:19
Like how can I use this to solve problems?
48:20
And one of the problems for me was I was sick,
48:22
but second is bad relationships in the workplace.
48:26
Right, that was another problem.
48:27
Literally to the point where where my full co-founders
48:30
was found crying in a corner
48:31
and we're like, what's going on here?
48:33
Friction, friction, friction, right?
48:34
So what I learned was the neurochemicals of the brain,
48:38
they equal your behavior.
48:40
And there's very specific genes that determine
48:42
how much you make, how much you bind,
48:44
how long they last.
48:46
And with that, your perception and how you behave.
48:49
So if I take me as an example,
48:51
there's a gene that's called DRD2
48:53
that determines how effectively you can bind dopamine.
48:57
So dopamine is this thing that's released
48:58
to allow you to feel satisfaction, pleasure,
49:00
eat some nice food, you get dopamine,
49:02
sign a contract, make a deal, achievement, you get dopamine,
49:05
right?
49:06
Scroll on your phone, you're also getting dopamine,
49:08
that's how those problem products work
49:09
and you keep your addicted,
49:11
but it's that dopamine hits satisfaction.
49:13
Now, there's another gene that makes a protein
49:16
that gets a dopamine out of your head,
49:18
because eventually you need to come back
49:19
to your default baseline, right?
49:21
So this DRD2 gene, I have the worst version of,
49:25
and the protein, I have the best version of.
49:28
So worst version, I feel it way down here,
49:30
the intensity is far too low,
49:32
and the protein is way too fast,
49:33
so it gets rid of it too quickly.
49:35
So for me, I can't get no satisfaction, right?
49:38
I'm wired for that.
49:40
And so the academic answer is I'm wired for depression,
49:43
but am I depressed right now?
49:44
No, I have been, right?
49:47
It's also your wired for addiction,
49:49
not addicted to anything here now,
49:51
but I have been, right?
49:53
It's also what we've learned,
49:54
which academic academia doesn't say,
49:56
is your wired for achievement.
49:58
This is what we call warrior genetics.
49:59
I am wired to pull the tribe forward
50:01
and fight through anything,
50:02
because the pace at which my brain is moving
50:04
and the amount of risk I'm willing to take, right?
50:07
I am the warrior.
50:10
My one of my co-founders had the exact opposite profile.
50:14
The maximum dopamine expression
50:15
and the slowest possible clearance,
50:17
we're both at extremes.
50:19
And so for him, one word to describe him, content.
50:23
Things are good.
50:24
Don't need it, I'm causally satisfied.
50:26
So me and him in a meeting, it's like,
50:28
for me, high anxiety,
50:29
list of 10 things with all the micro notes
50:31
and every little nuance of all things.
50:33
And for him, it's like, yeah, give me the list.
50:35
He's like, no problem.
50:36
It goes to start looking at vacations
50:38
and starts chatting with his friends,
50:39
like no desire to get it done.
50:42
But that one or two things
50:44
that gives him an elevated sense of reward,
50:46
which he's not used to feeling,
50:47
because he's just kind of content, he ends up binging.
50:51
Can't stop, because the clearance is so slow, right?
50:54
So what we learned is that he's the expert.
50:58
He's the guy that needs to go figure it out
50:59
and binge and do a deep high quality work.
51:02
And I'm the execution guy.
51:03
Give it to me to rip through whatever challenge
51:05
we have and make it happen, right?
51:08
And now where we used to have friction,
51:09
we now had this beautiful, symbiotic relationship
51:12
where we knew what we were supposed to do.
51:14
And I can keep going, talking about the brain
51:15
for the whole day, in terms of all the neurochemicals
51:18
and how it forms who we are and how we perceive it.
51:20
When you do these tests, you can,
51:22
without even knowing the person,
51:24
pretty accurately describe exactly how they operate.
51:27
Yeah, I do this work with,
51:29
so right now I'm working with a COO
51:32
from a global brand, like 50,000 employees
51:35
plus type of company, right?
51:37
For this exact purpose, who are you, right?
51:40
Why are you good at your job?
51:41
And who do you need around you that you're not good at, right?
51:45
And who should be the CEO, who should be the CFO?
51:48
And these other people, why is there friction?
51:50
And so just mapping that and imagine
51:52
what happens with everyone does the job
51:54
that they're genetically wired for.
51:57
Versus doing something that is the exact opposite
51:59
of your wiring, like my co-founder was doing,
52:01
you start to use words like anxiety, depression, burnout.
52:05
Burnout was one of my big issues, that's why I was sick.
52:08
Because it's so easy for me to take on so much,
52:11
my brain doesn't have a challenge,
52:12
my body can't keep up.
52:14
So I was making myself sick with cortisol.
52:16
So now I learn how to structure my days
52:18
where I don't kill myself.
52:19
Now, if I'm trying to hire people,
52:21
I cannot be doing genetic tests on every employee
52:23
and figuring out where they're gone.
52:24
I mean, maybe you could, but is there,
52:28
I mean, there's so many different frameworks for hiring
52:31
and there's like disc profiles.
52:33
And I mean, there's a variety of different ways
52:35
that are any of them accurate at all
52:37
that can find some level of insight into their genetics
52:44
or how they're wired, like what's good, what's a waste of time?
52:47
The only difference between all that stuff in genetics
52:50
is DNA doesn't lie, right?
52:53
Someone's perception of the question they're asking in a form
52:56
and as honest as they're trying to be,
52:58
if they're wired for anxiety,
53:00
the answer you might get is a little different.
53:02
If they're wired for deep intellectual cerebral drinking,
53:06
the answer you might get is more than it needs to be.
53:09
If they're wired like me,
53:11
they might flow through that thing a little too quick, right?
53:14
So those things work.
53:16
There's actually a company that I'm working with right now
53:18
that does a really good one.
53:19
I'm trying to take genetic insights and merge it
53:22
with what they do.
53:23
They kind of do one-on-one high level,
53:25
very expensive coaching, so it's not masked.
53:27
Most people haven't heard of it,
53:27
but it really, really works.
53:29
So we're putting it all together
53:30
so that the biology matches
53:32
what they've learned about behavior.
53:34
But so they work.
53:36
The gap is, is it 99% accurate or somewhere closer to 90
53:40
because you can't control how someone perceives the questions?
53:43
Okay.
53:44
And is there, when you get these results back
53:46
and you understand sort of like the best role for you
53:49
or how you should operate?
53:50
Does that mean that like,
53:52
some people should just work within companies
53:54
because of their risk profile
53:57
and some people should never be entrepreneurs
53:59
and some people that are destined to be entrepreneurs?
54:01
So all of this is very valid then.
54:02
Yeah, I can tell you,
54:04
so we host master classes, right?
54:06
Where people show up with their DNA,
54:08
50 people, 100 people,
54:10
and we spend a whole day together
54:12
and I go through every little aspect of the genome.
54:14
And one of the games we play is,
54:16
I'm gonna go through the mood of behavior
54:18
and I'm gonna tell you what job you're good for.
54:20
And it usually ends up, that's what I do, right?
54:22
You are wired to be a nurse or school teacher
54:25
because you are so reliable and dependable,
54:28
you're not reward seeking,
54:29
but you're also not trying to overdo the job.
54:32
You're gonna do what needs to get done.
54:34
So you're gonna do a job that's sort of somewhat independent,
54:37
right?
54:38
There's no boss watching over you
54:39
but you're also not an entrepreneur
54:41
that's building something out of it.
54:42
That's exactly what I do.
54:43
And it just keeps happening over and over again.
54:45
So DNA doesn't lie and our ability to now interpret it
54:48
because I've met with thousands of people
54:51
from billion or hedge fund managers
54:53
all the way down to stay at home, mom, everybody, right?
54:56
That we know what it all means.
54:57
So it doesn't lie and I can tell you more about who you are
54:59
than you know yourself, right?
55:01
And I don't need to ever meet you
55:03
to describe your personality to your T and tell you where you are
55:05
and there's at least a half moments of that's why.
55:07
Now I get it.
55:08
So this is, I mean, I guess not to chill the product
55:13
but if somebody's trying to figure out
55:15
why there's this discord in their life
55:17
and they're not happy with where they're at,
55:19
like this is a great way to figure out
55:20
what you should be stepping into.
55:22
Yeah, in terms of, so we are meant to be happy
55:25
we're meant to be successful, we're meant to thrive.
55:28
All of that stuff happens
55:30
when you're doing the thing that you're not wired for.
55:32
Like me and my business partner were going to, right?
55:34
And this is the work we do.
55:36
So if you, but also if you find your superpower
55:38
and all of these things that equal the bad way you feel
55:42
are actually your genetic superpower.
55:44
They're the thing that you're supposed to be using
55:46
as a tool that's now in the wrong context.
55:48
I'll give you another simple example.
55:49
You know, we did some work with the Navy SEALS, right?
55:53
So in that work, their question is,
55:55
why with the same training, same food, same everything,
55:58
some of these guys get PTSD and some don't?
56:01
I said, well, the answer's in your question.
56:02
Same food, same, same, same, same.
56:04
They're not the same people.
56:05
Their neurology is different.
56:07
So we showed them that, okay,
56:10
limb gets torn off, bomb goes off,
56:12
major impactful stimulus, which could potentially
56:15
equal a trauma.
56:16
And it's negatives.
56:17
Your body's wired to hold onto that
56:19
to remember not make that mistake again.
56:20
That's how our genes work, right?
56:22
So the adrenaline response that ensues
56:25
after that impactful stimulus,
56:27
the genes of how we regulate adrenaline
56:29
are unique to each one of us.
56:31
And some of us do a really good job.
56:32
So when we experience a big impactful thing,
56:35
the imprint that we received to make sure
56:37
we protect ourselves from it,
56:39
which is the purpose of the imprint,
56:40
which is what our biology does is intellectual.
56:43
For some people that do a bad job regulating adrenaline,
56:46
the imprint is emotional.
56:48
So not only do they remember the information,
56:50
but they also remember how it felt.
56:53
And the next time they remember,
56:54
we see something that reminded,
56:55
they feel it again as if it's happening again.
56:58
Very powerful adrenaline and PTSD.
57:00
That's PTSD.
57:01
Yeah.
57:02
If you add on top of that,
57:03
there's genes around neuroplasticity.
57:05
How effectively you develop your brain.
57:07
And whenever you learn a new skill,
57:09
experience a new concept, have a new belief,
57:11
you need new hardware in your brain,
57:13
a specific location to process that new thing, right?
57:15
So beating after determines how effectively you build these neurons.
57:19
We don't do such a good job.
57:20
And you're going through a moment of impactful stimulus.
57:23
You don't have the neurons to process it.
57:25
There's one guy already running away,
57:26
planning what to do next,
57:27
and there's another guy shocked.
57:29
It's just shell-shocked, frozen, right?
57:31
Still processing.
57:32
Which means that the thing you experience
57:34
has a lot of weight and meaning, right?
57:37
So there's one thing to have trauma.
57:38
And there's another thing to have trauma
57:40
where the thing means a lot.
57:42
That's the person that needs medication all of a sudden.
57:44
Versus, if I had their DNA prior to this,
57:46
I could have told you, don't deploy them.
57:48
That's not the person that's meant to go out.
57:49
It is the answer, don't deploy them,
57:51
or supplement to fill.
57:52
Either or, right?
57:53
So this gene is broken, doesn't work.
57:55
Now, I either need to block and remove the things that hurt me
57:58
or add something to support my biology.
58:00
This way I can actually go do that thing and both work.
58:03
I mean, this applies to literally,
58:05
I mean, there's no circumstance where we're testing
58:08
does not give you just a better view of like who you are.
58:10
I mean, to draw another example from your own life,
58:13
you've tested your own kids DNA.
58:15
And now that influenced your parenting style.
58:18
So just walk me through like how you parent differently
58:20
now that you know how you're kids.
58:22
So they're not wired the same, right?
58:24
Even as much as they're my children,
58:25
they're not wired the same.
58:26
One of them, I was told he has ADHD.
58:29
A teacher, a very specific teacher,
58:31
said he has ADHD, I was like, okay,
58:33
we're gonna break this nonsense down a little bit, right?
58:35
And so I looked at, who is a teacher?
58:38
That's a doubt to mess with when you're diagnosing it again.
58:41
So literally telling me take this kid to the doctor
58:44
to get medication, that's where I was being pushed to.
58:46
So what did I discover?
58:47
So I wasn't looking for ADHD in his DNA.
58:50
I was looking again for the context of the environment,
58:52
all this stuff.
58:53
And I was just looking for what's broken in the biology
58:55
that was screaming red flag.
58:56
And how does that equal the problem he's describing?
58:59
Or she was describing the teacher.
59:01
So what I found was Emily's activity,
59:04
this enzyme that your body needs to break down starches,
59:07
he did the worst job.
59:08
The ability to use starch and carbs as fuel, horrible for him.
59:12
TCF7 or two, how it regulates your insulin response.
59:15
So he does a bad job of breaking down carbs and starches.
59:19
He has the worst possible insulin regulation genetics.
59:22
And this was the teacher right after lunch, right?
59:26
Right after he just finished eating his South Asian
59:29
traditional food or the bowl of rice in a karma,
59:32
like a coma, literally a karma, right?
59:35
And so he quit, it was not that he couldn't pay attention,
59:38
he was literally in a coma, right?
59:39
He wasn't there.
59:40
Now, other teachers started to agree with this
59:43
that he has ADHD.
59:44
Once you hear it, you start to look for it.
59:46
So interesting how that works.
59:48
And so what I look for then is what could he be his behavior
59:51
that would even 1% point to them
59:53
seeing something that they agree with?
59:54
So serotonin is a mood regulating neurochemical
59:58
and allows you to behave as appropriate
1:00:00
for whatever is going on, right?
1:00:03
He has bad serotonin regulation.
1:00:05
So he can't actually manage his behavior
1:00:08
and his mood equal to the level of stimulus.
1:00:12
He's more up and down, right?
1:00:13
And the mechanism of that is serotonin
1:00:15
allows your brain to prioritize stimulus.
1:00:17
Here's all what's going on.
1:00:18
Can I focus with you right now?
1:00:20
I'm a distracted by the camera, the light, or whatever, right?
1:00:22
So here's serotonin, which means when he's in the classroom,
1:00:25
it's not that he has ADHD and can't pay attention.
1:00:28
It's that he has hypertension
1:00:30
and is noticing everything that his teacher
1:00:32
doesn't even know what's going on, right?
1:00:34
When the teacher says, I'm writing this on the chalkboard
1:00:37
and uses a different font or a different letter
1:00:40
or a different thing that he's also reading into that.
1:00:42
It's like, why'd you do that?
1:00:43
They're like, why can't you pay attention?
1:00:46
Like, I am, but you're not paying attention
1:00:47
to what you're writing, right?
1:00:48
So he's seeing the world at a higher level of detail
1:00:51
and that gets equated to ADHD.
1:00:52
And what it is is look at the best lawyers,
1:00:54
the best forensic auditors, the best hydrogen fund managers
1:00:57
that need to see every little thing
1:00:58
and I'll make a mistake, this is all they're wired.
1:01:00
And then what the healthcare system will do,
1:01:03
will just medicate, medicate, medicate.
1:01:06
So when you give, when somebody, like a person,
1:01:09
your kid is in a situation and give him Adderall,
1:01:11
what is that actually doing?
1:01:13
Because it's not solving the actual problem
1:01:14
by any means at all.
1:01:16
Major, major bandit, right?
1:01:18
That's suppressing his superpower.
1:01:21
His superpower is his ability to see
1:01:23
the world at a higher level of detail
1:01:25
and he's not meant to sit in the middle
1:01:26
and operate at that level.
1:01:28
So it's two things, teaching the kid
1:01:31
or yourself or whoever is, how you're wired.
1:01:33
And I can tell you having done this so many times,
1:01:36
just the awareness of knowing that this is how I'm wired
1:01:39
and then going back to that same context
1:01:41
and you start to see it.
1:01:42
And then you start to see the opposite
1:01:44
and other people and then the friction goes away
1:01:47
because you know how now to deal with them
1:01:48
and communicate with them and you had that empowerment.
1:01:51
That's half of it.
1:01:52
And the other half is there are times
1:01:54
where I'll give him a supplement
1:01:55
or I'll work on his diet
1:01:56
and there's something called 5HTP, which regulates.
1:01:59
I swear to God, yeah, you heard, yeah.
1:02:00
So it allows you to upregulate your serotonin.
1:02:02
So suppose it is exam day or there's a new teacher
1:02:04
or whatever, okay, he's gonna take some 5HTP.
1:02:07
So when you talk about supplementation,
1:02:09
this is really interesting because I always thought
1:02:11
that supplementation had effects in the long term.
1:02:13
Like it's like, I mean, if you supplement for six months
1:02:17
at a certain level, then obviously it's gonna make
1:02:20
some changes and it's gonna make you a little bit healthier
1:02:22
whatever you're trying to accomplish.
1:02:24
So you're saying that even in a 24 hour period,
1:02:27
supplementation can have that dramatic an impact.
1:02:30
Depends what you're working on.
1:02:32
Neural chemicals is in the moment, it's instant.
1:02:35
And just the same, it fades away instantly.
1:02:38
Right, you're not curing anything, what you're doing is
1:02:41
I don't do a good job of binding serotonin.
1:02:44
My receptor's gonna work.
1:02:45
That's who you are genetically.
1:02:47
I can add more serotonin, so there's more to bind,
1:02:49
but as soon as that's gone, you go back to who you were.
1:02:51
So there's no permanent fix that's gonna accumulate
1:02:53
over supplementing for the next five years.
1:02:55
The permanent fix is finding your superpower
1:02:57
and being that person, right?
1:02:59
Then I need to go on vacation, Christmas dinner,
1:03:02
tone things down.
1:03:03
That's when I can temporarily be what I wanna be.
1:03:05
But there's other areas where yeah,
1:03:06
if you wanna fix your endothelium or your inflammation,
1:03:09
that will take months and months and months.
1:03:11
So it depends what you're supplementing for.
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I understand.
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I'm curious because I mean you live in this world.
1:04:56
And we're talking about your kids
1:04:57
and you've already had the kids.
1:04:58
So we're not talking about gene editing
1:05:00
or anything like that at this level.
1:05:01
But is that something that will eventually be possible?
1:05:04
So gene editing works today.
1:05:06
Yeah, it just the allowance of the things
1:05:09
that we know we can fix is allowed yet.
1:05:10
So there's one gene editing protocol
1:05:13
that the FDA has allowed it to repair a eye issue
1:05:18
and eye disease, which is genetically driven and it works, right?
1:05:21
And what stage do they do that at?
1:05:24
So it can be done at any stage
1:05:26
because now it's a question of is the hardware damaged?
1:05:29
That's a different problem to solve, right?
1:05:31
So how far did it progress?
1:05:33
In terms of stopping the the fire that's feeling it,
1:05:36
which is the broken gene that's communicating the wrong signal,
1:05:39
that you can edit and change.
1:05:41
Now what we are seeing more of rather than editing
1:05:43
because FDA and just the how do you take, okay, local eye issue
1:05:48
no problem.
1:05:49
How do you get your 50 trillion cells to all receive that signal
1:05:53
and make a change all instantaneously at the same time?
1:05:55
That's where we're a little stuck.
1:05:57
So instead, what we're seeing are gene therapies,
1:06:00
which are instead of editing the gene,
1:06:02
there's a signal, a protein in your body
1:06:04
that is changing the way the gene operates.
1:06:07
Kind of like if I take the supplement, I change the level,
1:06:10
but if I stop taking the supplement, it stops.
1:06:13
So these gene therapy lasts like two years.
1:06:15
The signal just keeps going and going for two years.
1:06:17
Those exist and people started experiment
1:06:19
on the anti-aging longevity type stuff,
1:06:22
but you'll see Goldman Sachs says by 2030,
1:06:27
the genetic therapeutic industry is gonna be
1:06:28
a four trillion plus industry,
1:06:30
which is bigger than the entire healthcare industry right now.
1:06:33
So we're gonna see, hey, Alzheimer's injection, right?
1:06:36
Cardiovascular disease injection, gene editing.
1:06:38
So it's not even gene editing for like a fetus.
1:06:42
It's gene editing at any point.
1:06:43
At any, yeah, you can literally splice, remove, connect,
1:06:46
and the signal is calling what I was talking about.
1:06:47
I thought you could manipulate like the genes of a child
1:06:50
before it's even born,
1:06:51
and that would be what people are focusing on
1:06:53
like they picked the attributes that they like.
1:06:55
Yeah, so earlier you can start the better to prevent disease.
1:06:58
So that is where it's gonna go for sure, right?
1:07:01
But even for you and I sitting here,
1:07:03
you have this Alzheimer's worry, splice the gene,
1:07:06
cut it out, right?
1:07:07
But even then, if you do everything wrong,
1:07:11
you're still gonna cause the brain inflammation.
1:07:13
What we're saying is now you have less,
1:07:16
you have the protection that you didn't have before.
1:07:18
So your body is able to fight it,
1:07:19
but if you go do every single thing wrong,
1:07:22
you're still gonna cause it, right?
1:07:23
So the lifestyle and environment will never be out of the mix.
1:07:26
When you listen to this, all of it makes a ton of sense,
1:07:29
and I can see how this can be super valuable for people.
1:07:32
When you talk about preventative,
1:07:36
and you talk about gene editing to remove the chance
1:07:40
of you even having these diseases, these chronic issues,
1:07:43
I mean, you are still going up against a healthcare system
1:07:45
that is rooted in sick care.
1:07:47
So what is this strategy even for you
1:07:51
as somebody who's building a business in this space
1:07:53
to sort of revamp the whole healthcare system
1:07:57
and the whole pharmaceutical,
1:07:58
like this is like an industrial complex
1:08:02
that you're fighting against.
1:08:03
And I mean, I've heard of people in now medical tourism,
1:08:07
not for like cosmetic surgery,
1:08:09
but going like Panama for stem cells and whatnot.
1:08:12
These are very popular things,
1:08:13
because it seems like the US is very behind,
1:08:15
and also the money is not focused on improving
1:08:19
and preventative and all the things you're talking about.
1:08:22
So what are your thoughts on like,
1:08:24
where the future of US healthcare is going?
1:08:26
How do we remove these incumbents?
1:08:29
So it's not so much of the US is behind.
1:08:32
It's that the FDA is really ahead
1:08:33
of getting rid of things that work, right?
1:08:36
Because you got 18,000 employees there,
1:08:38
like what the hell do they do, right?
1:08:40
Everyone's sick, they are,
1:08:44
what they do is you can see the outcome,
1:08:46
make sure things just keep going in there where they are.
1:08:49
So peptides, a lot of people are starting
1:08:51
with peptides now, such a simple, basic, easy thing to do.
1:08:54
And there's where we're sitting in Florida,
1:08:56
clinics are being rated by the FBI
1:08:59
and being shut down because they're using peptides
1:09:02
because they work.
1:09:04
That's the problem, right?
1:09:05
So yeah, so yes, you go to Panama,
1:09:08
you go to Colombia, you go to wherever,
1:09:09
get these regenerative type stuff done.
1:09:10
So what we are seeing now,
1:09:13
there's too much pressure post-COVID.
1:09:15
The people, the mode used to be,
1:09:18
your insurance doesn't pay for it, right?
1:09:21
You're stuck in the system.
1:09:22
People don't care anymore.
1:09:24
People are paying out a pocket.
1:09:25
And the function, there's now 40,000 functional medicine
1:09:28
doctors in the United States, right?
1:09:30
So that movement is growing because people know
1:09:32
what I don't even care if I insurance covers it,
1:09:34
I'm just gonna be sick.
1:09:35
I'm sorry, stuck in this sick care system.
1:09:37
I'd rather do something as a Canadian.
1:09:39
I mean, coming down here and trying to figure out US
1:09:41
and difference anyways.
1:09:43
I mean, I was paying, I think last year,
1:09:45
this year we just, we paid every time
1:09:47
we went in front of employment
1:09:48
because last year I spent 12 grand
1:09:50
and every time I went to a doctor,
1:09:51
I still paid something.
1:09:53
And I'm like, I haven't had 12 grand worth of things
1:09:56
happened to me.
1:09:57
So I'm like, I'll put my money somewhere else
1:09:59
for my health.
1:10:00
I don't know, I'll hire a personal trainer,
1:10:02
get a chef to come into the house for 12 grand.
1:10:05
Like I mean, okay, fine, God willing,
1:10:07
you don't have a heart attack or get hit by a car,
1:10:09
but outside of that, it's incredibly expensive
1:10:12
and it's convoluted and you never know
1:10:13
what you're actually getting when you buy
1:10:15
and I'm a Canadian saying this
1:10:17
and I'll ask my American friends,
1:10:18
like do you understand what you actually get
1:10:20
with your insurance and half of them are saying no?
1:10:22
So I mean, it's a really fucked up system.
1:10:24
It's a very fucked up system.
1:10:25
It's not what we think it is.
1:10:26
Insurance is not insurance.
1:10:28
Insurance is administration of your healthcare plan.
1:10:30
So they profit from everything you do, right?
1:10:32
So it's also their desire that you're saying.
1:10:35
So yeah, so where is it going?
1:10:37
These guys know that it's inevitable
1:10:40
that tech is advancing
1:10:42
and there's too many people talking about it
1:10:43
and you can't block the podcast
1:10:44
and you can't, you know, it's happening.
1:10:47
So they're taking the stuff
1:10:49
and they're making it part of their system.
1:10:51
So as an example,
1:10:53
there's a company called Designs for Health
1:10:54
that just, it's probably the leading supplement company
1:10:57
that functional medicine doctors use.
1:10:59
So if you're going with Lyme disease
1:11:00
and complicating things,
1:11:01
it's always a design for health supplements
1:11:03
that you use, that's the first choice, right?
1:11:05
Just got bought out, but I think it was a glaxo.
1:11:08
One of the big former companies,
1:11:10
not because, and the first threat is,
1:11:11
oh, they're going to change everything or not.
1:11:13
No, they're actually trying to study this stuff.
1:11:14
Like, what are these guys know about disease
1:11:17
that we don't know because we never bothered
1:11:18
studying root cause.
1:11:19
And eventually you're going to see
1:11:21
there's going to be root cause pills, right?
1:11:23
They're not going to change their model.
1:11:24
They just know there's too much pressure.
1:11:26
So instead of competing with these guys,
1:11:28
let's just become these guys.
1:11:29
Yeah, well, it's good.
1:11:31
It's good that there's pressure
1:11:31
because I mean, I don't think that it's interesting.
1:11:35
We've all found ways to live longer,
1:11:37
but we're not living longer in good health.
1:11:40
So great, you live to 80, 85, and I mean,
1:11:43
we're talking like, my family is,
1:11:46
I think my grandpa was 97 when he passed.
1:11:49
My grandma's like 96 now and she's still pretty good.
1:11:52
But I mean, if you look at even like middle America,
1:11:55
I mean, I don't know if you know the stats,
1:11:58
I don't know off top of my head,
1:11:59
but I mean, people aren't living to 70 and 80.
1:12:01
I think that there's some parts of the US,
1:12:03
even where the 65 is when people are dying.
1:12:07
Yeah, there's lots of pockets.
1:12:08
Like you look at this area called cancer early,
1:12:10
which is the, you know,
1:12:12
there were all the petroleum production happens,
1:12:14
right in the South, cancer rates,
1:12:16
I think four to six times,
1:12:18
depending which type of cancer,
1:12:19
10-year reduction in life expectancy.
1:12:21
So we know, we know, we know, we know,
1:12:24
it's because of the chemical exposure.
1:12:27
We know what's causing it, right?
1:12:28
So it is much as you add that takes 10 years away,
1:12:31
what can you do to get another 10 years?
1:12:34
It's so simple, right?
1:12:35
If people wanted to understand like which tests
1:12:37
are the most important tests to start with,
1:12:39
like just to go down this rabbit hole
1:12:41
and start discovering,
1:12:42
because if they, if they do,
1:12:43
they'll probably find a lot of different people
1:12:45
to do a lot of different tests,
1:12:46
telling them a lot of different things.
1:12:48
What should they look for?
1:12:49
What's credible?
1:12:50
What's not?
1:12:50
I think that's always like them,
1:12:52
the concern when people move away
1:12:54
from like Western medicine and talking to their GP
1:12:57
about something,
1:12:58
I just got to find people on internet shit.
1:13:00
What's good?
1:13:01
What's not?
1:13:02
So I would say who is it coming from?
1:13:04
That's a big, big deal, right?
1:13:06
I don't mean the company, I mean the provider.
1:13:08
A good functional medicine doctor.
1:13:09
There's a body called the IFM,
1:13:10
the Institute for Functional Medicine.
1:13:12
So if somebody is graduated from there,
1:13:14
you know that they know what to do, right?
1:13:16
There's FDN, I think the functional diagnostic network
1:13:20
and there's, there's trade, sorry, clinicians
1:13:22
that have been trained by them.
1:13:23
So if you know that they came from one of these two places,
1:13:25
they know what they're doing when it comes to lab work
1:13:27
and they're not shooting the dark, right?
1:13:29
And typically there's not that many labs are used.
1:13:32
There's, you know, a vibrant labs,
1:13:34
there's a great plan,
1:13:35
there's a few functional lab companies
1:13:38
that all the functional medicine doctors use
1:13:39
because they'll give you the data that, you know,
1:13:42
going to lab corp, you're nowhere near,
1:13:43
learning what your body's really doing.
1:13:45
But I would say it's more about who to come from,
1:13:47
IFM, FDM, these people know what they're doing.
1:13:49
And if somebody like actually connects with you,
1:13:51
like what's the process they go through?
1:13:53
So like actually lay out the testing that you do.
1:13:56
And I mean now you sort of do counseling
1:13:58
and help them understand the results.
1:14:00
So I, what I do know,
1:14:03
it because of people asking me to do this over and over again,
1:14:06
is I have some clients that are on retainer, right?
1:14:08
Some like called pro athletes,
1:14:10
every type of guys, and that's how I manage them.
1:14:12
But because of that, I built a master class
1:14:15
that allows people to spend an entire day with me
1:14:17
and every, so my goal is three things.
1:14:21
Let's identify every single red flag in your DNA.
1:14:24
Everything you need to know.
1:14:26
Let's identify every recommendation for those things.
1:14:29
Your playbook, right?
1:14:31
Let's teach you how to interpret your DNA
1:14:33
so you never need to ask me another question.
1:14:35
Because if I can teach you what it's saying
1:14:37
versus the typical medical thing of every time
1:14:39
you need help, you have to call me again.
1:14:41
Right, your DNA doesn't change.
1:14:42
That's the difference between this
1:14:43
and every other lab work you're gonna do.
1:14:45
Your DNA you're born with is the DNA you die with.
1:14:47
So once you understand what it's telling you,
1:14:49
it's just different questions you need to ask.
1:14:51
Oh, I'm in fertility stage, I'm in menopause stage.
1:14:54
Same DNA, different problems to solve.
1:14:56
And once you learn what it's telling you about your biology,
1:14:58
you're always making the right choice.
1:14:59
And imagine what would happen to your health span
1:15:01
and your lifespan if you always made the right choice.
1:15:03
So yeah, that's what what I do.
1:15:04
And you know, whether somebody just wants to acquire
1:15:06
a test and self-serve and go through it,
1:15:09
if they want to go deeper,
1:15:10
there's a lot of things that I know
1:15:11
that the FDA won't let me say in a report, right?
1:15:13
Which is why we host these master classes
1:15:15
and we can actually speak to people
1:15:17
and ask them about their environment and their stress
1:15:19
and really get an integrated of their personal stuff.
1:15:21
So yeah, one time thing to truly understand
1:15:25
how your body works so that everything else you're doing
1:15:28
from your supplements to your blood work,
1:15:30
you always do it right.
1:15:31
And this is gonna impact your cognitive performance,
1:15:34
your work performance, your fertility,
1:15:36
your hormone levels, your, like there's not what colds
1:15:41
and viruses you get.
1:15:43
So every single component of your life
1:15:45
can be impacted by this.
1:15:46
When you do these types of tests,
1:15:51
the majority of the things that you discover
1:15:53
can be fixed, supplemented, optimized,
1:15:56
are there things that you can't fix?
1:15:59
Genetic conditions, meaning if somebody's born
1:16:01
would say sickle cells in your room, you have it
1:16:03
and that's where we're waiting for genetic therapeutics.
1:16:06
But I can't tell you, I'm still learning, I keep learning.
1:16:10
And one big thing that I learned this year,
1:16:13
I was working with this musician,
1:16:14
this famous guitarist that everyone knows
1:16:16
who now has Parkinson's, right?
1:16:18
And I had to tell him, I can't help you
1:16:19
because Parkinson's is a genetic condition, you have it.
1:16:23
And I started to dig into it,
1:16:24
just thinking, okay, how can I help this guy?
1:16:26
And I found this data around this military base
1:16:29
in North Carolina where the vets from that base
1:16:32
have a 30% elevated risk of Parkinson's.
1:16:36
Why, if it's a genetic condition?
1:16:37
So I started to dig into it and then I found that the water
1:16:40
that they were drinking has a forever chemical
1:16:42
in a cold TCE, which is from agricultural spillo.
1:16:45
And so it was causing the brain inflammation.
1:16:47
So I started to learn, okay, where else do I see this?
1:16:49
Then I saw in farmers that there's 13,000 farmers
1:16:54
right now that are suing Chevron
1:16:56
in a class action lawsuit
1:16:57
because they all have Parkinson's
1:16:58
from this chemical called periquot,
1:17:01
which is used on beans, lentils, nuts,
1:17:03
the gooms, that type of thing, like vegan,
1:17:05
plant proteins, like kills all the greenery
1:17:07
so that the actual crop can thrive.
1:17:09
And this neurodegenerative disease
1:17:11
that looks like Parkinson's is actually just caused
1:17:15
from their poor genetic ability to deal with that chemical.
1:17:19
So I would say genetic conditions can't be helped,
1:17:22
but even then we're finding that most people
1:17:25
that think they have a genetic condition,
1:17:26
don't even have it.
1:17:27
One last point about that,
1:17:28
there's a lady I was dealing with in Toronto
1:17:30
where we're both from, right?
1:17:31
Who diagnosed with ALS, taking ALS medication
1:17:35
and she went through our program to say,
1:17:37
can you just give me best quality of life?
1:17:39
I can't fix this ALS, I know, but let me give it to you.
1:17:41
So to the point where her husband used to carry her up
1:17:44
the stairs to take her to bed every day.
1:17:47
Dug into it, saw a big red flag in her DNA.
1:17:50
There's a process called glucoronidation,
1:17:52
which is what your body relies on to move mold
1:17:54
and she's missing the gene, right?
1:17:56
So I said, can we do a mold test?
1:17:58
She said, sure.
1:17:59
Aflo toxin, all sorts of toxins in her body
1:18:01
for mold, mold spores, right?
1:18:03
Then she talked about her renovation.
1:18:05
She did a couple of years before, right?
1:18:07
And spores being released from under the kitchen cabinet,
1:18:09
whatever.
1:18:10
So we detoxified her mold and she's walking up the stairs.
1:18:13
Doesn't have ALS anymore, right?
1:18:14
So somebody believe all the symptoms equal it.
1:18:17
It's like no other way to describe it
1:18:18
or explain it at the medical level,
1:18:19
taking medication, not really working.
1:18:21
So can't fix genetic conditions,
1:18:24
but with all that's going on in her environment,
1:18:26
144,000 chemicals have been added
1:18:28
to humanity since the 1970s.
1:18:30
So people are struggling with things
1:18:31
that they think that they don't even have.
1:18:32
So even those can be fixed.
1:18:34
You know, that's what I was gonna say.
1:18:36
I think that there's a lot of people that,
1:18:38
like you mentioned, live with genetic conditions
1:18:41
that they're not actually sick.
1:18:43
They're not actually sick and they're just misdiagnosed
1:18:45
and they live their whole life that way.
1:18:47
We did research on multiple sclerosis, MS, right?
1:18:50
And what we found in this study that we're working on
1:18:54
that 26% I believe are the women that were enrolled,
1:18:58
misdiagnosed.
1:18:59
They were just making toxic hormones
1:19:01
that caused the same inflammation
1:19:03
that led to the same symptomology.
1:19:05
And their habits of sunscreen, soap, shampoo,
1:19:09
chemicals from cosmetics were overloading
1:19:11
that hormone system equal the same symptoms.
1:19:15
And so they had to get diagnosed with something.
1:19:16
It looks like MS, it's MS, right?
1:19:19
You mentioned that I think at the beginning
1:19:21
you said less than 3% of the markers that we see
1:19:26
in these tests can't be solved for.
1:19:29
But obviously when you compare that
1:19:30
to the average population,
1:19:33
the amount of people that have these chronic diseases
1:19:36
that's much more than 3%,
1:19:37
so there's a huge discrepancy there.
1:19:38
And this is like a symptom of a sick care
1:19:42
of a poorly constructed healthcare system.
1:19:45
The actual number is 90%.
1:19:46
So 90% of the healthcare budget is spent on chronic disease,
1:19:49
right?
1:19:50
If you have the wealth you think about incentives too.
1:19:51
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:19:53
And so you have, think of just this one simple thing
1:19:56
that the United States,
1:19:58
the average healthcare spending per individual
1:20:00
is 14,000 dollars a year.
1:20:01
And the EU, it's like five.
1:20:03
And Costa Rica is 900 bucks.
1:20:05
And the Costa Ricans are much healthier than Americans.
1:20:08
You have the wealthiest empire that's ever existed,
1:20:11
which is also the sickest.
1:20:12
There's been no nation, no empire ever,
1:20:15
that is as sick as the United States.
1:20:16
I mean, we went through a lot.
1:20:17
What would be some like last words of wisdom
1:20:21
or even something that I didn't ask you
1:20:22
that I should have that you want to leave the audience with?
1:20:25
Yeah, I would say chronic disease is a choice.
1:20:28
It's truly optional.
1:20:30
It is not innate.
1:20:32
It is not, I have diabetes in my family, right?
1:20:35
You have bad insulin response
1:20:36
and donuts in your family, right?
1:20:38
That's what you have.
1:20:39
So these are all choices we make.
1:20:42
The challenge is how do I know what to prioritize
1:20:45
and what choice I should focus on?
1:20:46
Because there's so many things,
1:20:48
just like your brilliant podcast here,
1:20:49
there's a thousand podcasts people can listen to,
1:20:51
telling you a thousand different things to do, right?
1:20:54
And so where do you prioritize and focus?
1:20:56
And that's the key is it is a choice,
1:20:58
but you need to do what will actually give you the ROI.
1:21:01
Yeah, as opposed to a little bit of everything
1:21:02
which potentially could even hurt you, right?
1:21:05
And that's all you need to do.
1:21:06
It's not a lot.
1:21:06
I don't have a crazy biohacking regimen
1:21:09
and I don't have the crazy man caves
1:21:10
that you see on all these YouTube videos, whatever,
1:21:12
not spending $2 million a year.
1:21:13
I don't.
1:21:14
It's actually very low budget.
1:21:16
I just do, I avoid what I know I can't handle.
1:21:19
I do what I need to do.
1:21:20
And sometimes if I make a mistake,
1:21:22
I get a little sick again, right?
1:21:23
If I eat the wrong bread,
1:21:25
taking the wrong, I get a little cocky
1:21:26
in terms of how healthy I am,
1:21:28
I will get, I will get sick, right?
1:21:30
You're, there's no cure to this stuff.
1:21:32
There's, here's my biology, find out what's broken,
1:21:35
develop a set of habits for that biology,
1:21:37
and I'll be the best version of myself.
1:21:39
I think that when you lay it out so clearly,
1:21:41
it's quite obvious like what you're doing
1:21:42
is you're showing people all the leading indicators.
1:21:45
And I think that traditionally,
1:21:47
we just focus on lagging indicators of health
1:21:49
and that's not the way to live our best lives.
1:21:52
Where's the people connect with you?
1:21:54
I mean, where do you want people to go?
1:21:55
I think you're gonna set up a landing page
1:21:57
for people for listening to this show.
1:21:59
So Instagram, I have a daily rant about nonsense
1:22:01
that's going on and what's broken.
1:22:02
I have some good things on your Instagram too.
1:22:04
Yeah.
1:22:05
This is all about we discover when we're working with people,
1:22:07
we're healing people.
1:22:08
These are the things that are actually making them sick.
1:22:10
So I talk about them every day.
1:22:11
But yeah, I'll set up a master class just for this community.
1:22:15
Right, because I want to make sure that I understand
1:22:17
the needs and wants are maybe different than others.
1:22:20
So yeah, just go to the landing page.
1:22:21
You can get a test from there.
1:22:23
Or if you want to enroll and work with me for a day,
1:22:26
we'll do that just for this group with me.
1:22:28
And you'll do a deep dive.
1:22:30
I think a lot of people listen to this.
1:22:31
They're all entrepreneurial.
1:22:33
And I think that one of the more interesting things
1:22:36
for them would be like optimal performance
1:22:38
or working with the right people.
1:22:40
But I mean, everybody who's entrepreneurial now
1:22:42
is trying to figure out how to live longer,
1:22:44
how to be healthier.
1:22:45
I mean, I have the friends that I know
1:22:46
are taking peptides.
1:22:48
And like right now, they're trying to figure out
1:22:50
our new tropics, reducing mental fog, increasing mental clarity.
1:22:53
Like just, they're making money is one thing.
1:22:58
It's great.
1:22:59
But ultimately, you also don't want to die
1:23:01
and you want to live your best life.
1:23:02
And you want to be healthy, you want to be happy,
1:23:03
you want to not feel stressed out and burnt out all the time.
1:23:06
There's a lot of different things that go into this.
1:23:08
I mean, in fact, the whole population,
1:23:09
but I think that entrepreneurs by nature
1:23:12
are people to try and like figure shit out
1:23:13
and whether or not it's hacking a business to success
1:23:16
or hacking their own life so that they're optimizing
1:23:19
at their peak performance.
1:23:20
Like I think this is a great way to do it.
1:23:21
Because it's not just like,
1:23:23
you're not just trying to fix things blind.
1:23:26
Now you actually have this roadmap
1:23:27
for how you should operate and the things you should include
1:23:30
and your diet and all these and your environment.
1:23:32
And I think that that's something that I think anybody
1:23:34
who's ambitious in trying to succeed in life
1:23:36
is going to be interested in.
1:23:37
Yeah, you need a place to know your playbook
1:23:41
because the pace, I'm an entrepreneur
1:23:42
and I know the pace I'm working at, right?
1:23:45
There's no time for downtime
1:23:47
and there's no time to go figure it out.
1:23:48
So just what's that genetic playbook?
1:23:50
Don't make a mistake, follow that guide
1:23:51
and you're playing the best version.
1:23:53
Well, I need to, I want to go through,
1:23:54
I want to go through your program.
1:23:55
I want to do it because I'll tell you something.
1:23:56
I mean, like as a pie faster,
1:23:58
so what I got to do, what are my job is,
1:24:00
is to get into like highly complex conversations
1:24:03
with people who have been living in this domain
1:24:05
for the past 30 years of their life.
1:24:06
And I have to have like a semi-articulate
1:24:08
intelligent conversation with them about shit
1:24:10
that they've dealt with and understand so well.
1:24:12
So I mean, like I have to be on.
1:24:14
So I mean, there's days when I have brain fog,
1:24:16
there's days when I don't try different supplements,
1:24:18
some work some don't.
1:24:19
So like I want to like look under the hood
1:24:22
and figure out what's that exact like cocktail
1:24:24
or diet or regime or hopefully there's no mold
1:24:27
in this house.
1:24:28
We tested it before I moved in, but so that's,
1:24:30
I think that's it.
1:24:31
Yeah, let's do it.
1:24:32
Yeah, but we have to have a follow-up episode
1:24:34
where we expose you as I can eat 200%
1:24:36
100% I'm down.
1:24:37
Yeah.
1:24:38
No, I appreciate you do.
1:24:39
Okay, so if they want to,
1:24:43
did you drop your social, where's your handle?
1:24:46
It's cash going official.
1:24:47
Okay, cash going official, cool.
1:24:49
We'll put everything in the show notes too.
1:24:51
And I just want to say thanks for coming on.
1:24:53
It's a pleasure one as long.
1:24:54
Last question I ask everybody.
1:24:57
And you can look at this from a health perspective,
1:25:00
obviously because that's where your specialty is.
1:25:02
Or even look at it just from like a life perspective.
1:25:04
Like one last piece of wisdom or advice
1:25:06
that you would tell your younger self.
1:25:09
I would say the literally first income's to mine
1:25:14
is finding the right person for the job.
1:25:18
Meaning what I did was I was very sort of lenient
1:25:24
and very forgiving to the people around me, right?
1:25:30
And giving far too much than I took,
1:25:34
which means that no, you're not supposed to do this.
1:25:36
I need an expert to do this,
1:25:38
but you're gonna do it because you're my friend, right?
1:25:41
So finding, and when I started to find the right person
1:25:45
for the job and also let the person know
1:25:47
that this is not what you do,
1:25:48
here's what you're good at.
1:25:50
I've just unlocked your superpower, go do that.
1:25:52
And how the exponential change that comes from that.
1:25:55
So that's one thing that I wish I learned a lot easier
1:25:58
is that everybody can do everything.
1:25:59
Everybody needs to know who they are and what they do.
1:26:01
And when you start to do that
1:26:02
and stop doing what you're not good at,
1:26:04
complete flip in terms of outcome.
1:26:07
I mean, this is what you do with the testing
1:26:10
can actually indicate exactly what you should be doing.
1:26:13
So this is not just like an entrepreneurial lesson.
1:26:14
This is like an understanding
1:26:16
where you are genetically, why are you actually do that?
1:26:17
You know, I do sort of genotype people
1:26:20
as they walk through the door, right?
1:26:21
And they kind of screen them, but yeah,
1:26:24
so that's a big one for me.
1:26:25
And that's what I do know.
1:26:26
I do know what you're good at.
1:26:28
I do know what you're good at.
1:26:30
I do know what you're good at.
1:26:32
I do know what you're good at.