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Supergirl Review: Better Than You Think? · Brainwaves

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to TWO Shot Tuesday, another very
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special episode with us, as always, Barry T Nixon, and with
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us as often as I'd like to say that the movie guy, Rob Peetz.
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And when he's here, something big, something special is
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happening. Rob, how are you doing?
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I feel like shit. Nice.
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Great, good. Everything's a.
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Reference to the movie. Anything.
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No, I'm just all right. I just thought I'd go in the
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opposite direction. All right, it's Canada Day
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tomorrow. I I don't see how anyone could
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be not happy. Yeah, this weird mid exactly
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long weekend, which is. Yeah, could be.
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Further away from either weekend when it lands on a Wednesday
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that is the rarest, rarest form but I but.
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We're having a we're, we're having a Friday on a Wednesday.
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Yeah, it's kind of nice. It feels kind of nice to have.
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It is kind of nice. Very real and my.
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Workplace is actually granted off the rest of the week, so for
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me this is I'm off for the next 5 days motherfuckers.
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Me too. Me too buddy.
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Why not? Why not?
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Jay? What?
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You. You should do the same.
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I'll be there. I wish all you've been through.
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After all, exactly after all I've been through, I was
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fighting fires just before I jumped on here.
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I was explaining. But nobody needs to know about
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our work days, what we do. Need to charge a mess, right?
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Yeah, it. Is a real mess.
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What we do need to talk about is movies.
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But before we do, yes, there's a format on this show.
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I'm not sure if you're familiar with it.
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We do two shots of any liquid based substance that you would
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like. Yes, Barry, I want you to start
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us off. What do you what liquid based
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substance are you consuming? I would be very happy to start
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us off, Jay. And I'm starting off with some
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delicious Bushmills aged 12 years.
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Not ten, not 11 and a half, 12 full years.
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Wow. And I'm raising it to you
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fellas. Rob, what have you got over
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there? Well that's crazy.
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I'm going in the polar opposite direction.
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I'm going with a 750 millilitre jug of chocolate milk directly.
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Out of the carton. Nice.
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I have it in the fridge, I have it in the fridge, I do the same
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and I. Have.
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Yeah, I have it under the carton, often with protein
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powder. It's mid sized, yeah.
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Yeah, this is not. I like the protein powder, Jay.
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Yeah, this is closer to what Barry's got.
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This is the Jameson Black Barrel.
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A classic. A classic.
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I'm jealous. Gentlemen, cheers.
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To you. All right, let's go ahead and
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dive into this because we have just seen at the time of this
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recording a few days ago, Supergirl and yeah, Supergirl.
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I got to say excited to see it. Big surprise.
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Rob, I think you were kind of excited, maybe not as excited,
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but why don't you lead us off with your first impressions of
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Supergirl? Sure.
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I mean, so it's based on a graphic.
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Well, not a graphic novel, but but some some comics called The
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Woman of Tomorrow. Is it a graphic novel?
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I think it was. Was collected, but you're right,
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it was I think 4 issues. Yeah, which I've read and I
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really enjoyed. Hello, Ding Dong.
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I had to, I'm sorry. It's a collected works of four
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issues. That's amazing, Ki love that.
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From Tom King and Bilquis Ivy. Bilquis Ivy?
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Is that her name? Bilquis.
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Yeah. Tom King.
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Definitely the writer. Tom King wrote the wrote the
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story. Yeah, Yeah.
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So I was, I kind of knew that they weren't going to.
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They were going to use that as the template and that was about
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it. So I really love that story.
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I thought it was a really good story, had a great ending.
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And well, I'll say that the movie takes the basic outline of
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the story, which is kind of like the movie True Grit.
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It takes a a girl that's kind of seeking revenge and and asks
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Supergirl, who's in a bit of a state of not really feeling like
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she wants to be on earth. Kind of she's out there just
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partying in space, having fun, kind of avoiding
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responsibilities and kind of goes on the hunt for a guy
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called KREM who kills her, who kills his young girl's family.
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And in the process, he also, I guess kind of like screws up
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Crypto and makes Crypto go into a bit of a coma.
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Poor Crypto. First of all, can I just say
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that like, yeah, poor Crypto. He's been through the ringer
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now, I guess twice because in Superman he was kidnapped and he
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had the thing put around his face from from the mechanic and
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now something goes wrong in Supergirl.
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Like Crypto seems to be getting quite I, I, I hate to be getting
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all worked up about this, but it's quite a plot device.
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Well, Crypto. Worked up.
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Yeah, please do all. Right, sorry.
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This is much worse. And what happens to Crypto, and
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this one is far worse. So he's like literally knocking
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on death's door. So that's creates the urgency
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for the entire story of Supergirl trying to find
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basically a spoiler alert, a cure for her dog.
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That's essentially what this movie boils down to.
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It's like she's trying to save her dog.
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So it's like if she saves other. People too, that's great, but
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the the main point is saving crypto.
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So it's a movie version of the 1st 10 minutes of Indiana Jones
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in the Temple of Doom. No, it's a or of woman where
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he's. Kicking the kicking the antidote
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all around the room. Yeah.
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Pretty. Yeah, that's what it.
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Is that's a great thank you. Great callback.
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Yes, Yeah, I feel yeah, that's it.
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That's the movie. Yeah, it's just, I don't think
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that's the movie at all, to be honest with you.
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But yeah, it's kind of kind of similar, I suppose.
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Yeah, it's fun. But yeah, it just that just ends
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up being sort of what they took from Woman of Tomorrow.
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The rest of it is kind of completely different.
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Even the ending is completely different.
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That will obviously won't get into the ending, but right, you
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know, the story the the original comic had a pretty cool ending,
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actually like a really nice way of wrapping it all up.
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And this one was a little more, I don't even know how to
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describe it, brutal. It just didn't seem to really
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fit. I don't know why they didn't use
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the ending from the comics. But anyway, you know was the.
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Lobo in the comic, no. So yeah, because I know they
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want to put him in it, so they just.
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Yeah, they just. Kind of borrowed loosely from
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the comic I guess, like you said.
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I think it was an excuse to get Jason Momoa in his Lobo to
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introduce him into into the universe.
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He actually kind of I think, didn't he really?
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He really did not need to be in this movie.
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He was in the movie, he was OK when he was in the movie, he was
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he was fine. He's made to play this role for
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sure. That's.
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Kind of what he is, yeah, fine. They didn't really write much
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for he didn't have much to say. Yeah, there was underutilized.
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Under well, underutilized, but he didn't really even need to be
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there. So yeah, he kind of stole some
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fight scenes from Cara and from from Supergirl and stuff, which
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maybe he was like he was part of it, but he was almost like an
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observer through most of the movie, which was kind of weird.
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Why? Why bring him in if he's just
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going to observe what's happening and then move on to
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his next conquest or whatever? You know, like the Watcher.
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He's much like the Watcher, yeah.
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But yeah cuz I feel like he could have sustained his own
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movie like they go and give Clayface a movie like a Lobo is
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a better known character than that.
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Well, maybe this will be the reason to give him his own
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thing. Jay Like as a so like a soft
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intro. Yeah, they were hoping, but
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yeah, didn't most people didn't show up as they were expecting
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for Super. We'll get into that though, but
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strictly on the movie quality. So you were like Women of
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Tomorrow borrowed from it didn't, but didn't really stick
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to it all that much. They they just.
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Took the basic plot. Yeah, yeah, they really hyped it
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up because I think before the movie came out to I guess try
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and sell a lot of those comics. And it worked for Woman of
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Tomorrow in the collected edition format.
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Yeah, that was a big deal for for them, became quite a big
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seller. And I'm glad.
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I'm glad it's sold. I'm glad people are going to
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read it because it's a good read, you know?
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Yeah, yeah. I would love to tell you what
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the ending of that is, but I don't want to spoil it.
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Don't. Yeah, comic Barry, before we get
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into your take on the movie, I want to know how was the popcorn
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situation going in for you 2, gentlemen?
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Did you get the butter that you wanted?
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The topping, which is important. About it, There was a little
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drama here, there was a, there was a.
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Little bit of drama, one of the dispensers was completely sucked
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dry and when you go up to an dispenser that is sucked dry,
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you're just pressing the button and nothing's coming out.
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Jay, you look like a fucking asshole and I didn't enjoy that
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moment. Then I had to pivot to the the
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dispenser to my left. Thankfully it was like 3
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squeezes left. Jay 33 points a bad button and
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then that was stuck dry as well. No, you look like the guy that
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took it. All I was happy.
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And then and then he actually he went, he went into some
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hypothesis of how that butter is just there for like like 3
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months until I. Said I'm glad that it ran out
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because it indicates that they have to change it on the regular
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versus just having it sit there because we truly that we don't
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know what that is. We know what it is, it just
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makes it wet. It's salty, which is.
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Fine, it's butter. It's not butter.
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Oh, what's that? Butter?
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All right. Yeah, no.
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It's definitely not. I can't believe it's not not
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butter. That's what they would say.
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It's not doubly not butter. Yeah, yeah.
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Anyway, so, yeah, so I was that guy.
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I drained the the fake butter. We got into the theater.
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Rob always gets the same seats, beautiful seats.
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And no one right behind right beside us as well, which was
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nice. Well, yeah, the theater I would
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say was was 2/3 full on a Friday night.
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So all the. Middle.
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And the movies not doing well. The movie is, it's not doing
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well really. I don't know what that means.
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I don't know what that is. It got a lot of bad press.
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I don't think the movies anywhere near as bad as most
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people made it out to be, especially reviewers.
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I think we both had fun with it. I I kind of turned over to Barry
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at some point and said, I think in my head I'm thinking this is
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not really Woman of Tomorrow, but it's actually still fun.
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I'm still enjoying watching it all unravel.
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And so I said that to Barry and he was like, yeah, I'm feeling,
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I feel the same way. It's fun.
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And also not having any knowledge of the woman of
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tomorrow. I didn't know anything about
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this. This was all new material.
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It's a. Movie to you?
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Yeah, it was interesting. Just a movie to me.
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Yeah, exactly. Well, let's cheers that before
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we get into too far into your review, I'm going to, I'll jump
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in first and just say I've got some more Jamison Black Barrel.
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I think the movie guy's got more chocolate milk.
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Milk Boy and Ice and I'm sticking with the 12 year
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Bushmills. Cheers.
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I'm going two hands. OK, Barry, back to it.
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I want to hear. So you're coming in brand new.
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You don't know anything about the Woman of Tomorrow?
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Really. You don't know anything about
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Supergirl other than her movie from 1980.
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Two maybe or three, whatever that which I never saw, so.
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Yeah. So.
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I did explain the the fall of Argo's Argo to him to her her
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home city. Good.
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Argo City did. They not, I did kind of explain
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to him how that city kind of continues to live on, has the
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explosion of Krypton. But then they actually did show
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all that stuff and they did it pretty much verbatim.
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So that was good, yeah. OK.
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Well, Barry, your thoughts then take us through what's what was
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different for you with Supergirl versus Superman?
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Gender. Different gender it was.
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It was. Well, that's an obvious.
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Gender. Now, first of all, gender it.
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Was not a man, which I was already like, I was like, wait a
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minute, a female superhero. What are we talking about?
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What are we doing? Get past that.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Thankfully, you know it didn't take long. 1956, yeah, you did
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it. Yeah, I don't know.
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She had, you know, a good amount of sass.
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There was some good jokes in this movie as well.
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And it did. I did read 1 review prior to the
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well, I didn't read it too in depth, but one of the comments
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that I came across was it's like Mad Max in space, which it kind
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of was like it did. These are it was a little more
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rough and tumble than, say, the squeaky clean Superman
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aesthetic. Now, it's cool that Superman
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does turn up briefly. You get to see a little bit of
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him, which is cool. But yeah, I don't know.
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I just, I thought it was the story moved along nicely.
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I was never bored. I didn't lean over to Rob at any
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point saying when is this going to be over?
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Yeah, it just, it held my attention.
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Got to say I. Thought it was fun.
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Yeah, it was an oddly dark movie, to be honest, for, for a
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Supergirl movie, it was oddly dark.
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There were a couple of moments in there where I was like, I'm a
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little surprised they did that. I'm a little surprised Lobo said
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that. I'm a little surprised.
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You know, I think at one point, and I don't want, I don't want
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to give it away. At one point, Lobo calls
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Supergirl a name and it's it's. Ma'am, it's interesting.
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Yes, absolutely not, ma'am. Ma'am, No, it wasn't right.
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OK, what? Were there any other
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interesting? I love the run by Barry.
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Were there any other interesting?
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Was that Supergirl? Was Supergirl in your?
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That was Supergirl just went by. Yeah, totally.
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Let's see, were there any, like in Superman, we had some some
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characters that we didn't really know.
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We had a Hawk girl, we had Mr. Terrific.
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Did they broaden much beyond Lobo?
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You can give it away or not. Any characters that we should
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then expect to see in other movies Maybe?
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No, OK. No, what was that girl that was
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along for the adventure? Rob?
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It's. An awesome.
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Who's this Ruthie? Yeah.
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Ruthie's from the original story, Ruthie in the original
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story, Ruthie really is sort of like really, really out to kill
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KREM. She really wants to kill KREM.
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That's all she thinks about. And not only that, the original
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story is also told from her perspective.
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So it kind of isn't that movie. That's not what this movie is.
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This movie is about Supergirl. It has Ruthie in it.
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Ruthie is a person that does want to seek revenge on KREM,
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but she's using Supergirl to do that.
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But in the in the comic, she's a lot more determined to kill
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KREM. So yeah, Ruthie is simply a
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character meant for this particular set of circumstances.
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That's right. I don't think you'll ever see
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her again. Yeah.
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OK, although that actress was was quite good, she was that was
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a fun character to watch. Yeah, yeah.
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All around I think all the acting was quite good.
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Which is for. Good.
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Yeah, the what was Creme the villain guy?
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Creme of yellow heels. I guess he was good, although
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he's he's a pretty normal looking guy in the comic, but in
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this they had him look a little more like the kind of thing like
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a Star Trek villain from the from like the late 90s Star
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Trek. Yeah, he had all those face
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piercings and whatever. Yeah.
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OK, so that was a bit much, but but overall he was he was funny.
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He actually was was a kind of a fun villain, little villain of
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the wiki. But but he every time, every
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time you saw him introduced, he would he would be eating some,
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he would like take something from whatever plate or whatever
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food was laying around. He would just pick it up and
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start eating it before he started.
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Yeah, kind of going on his thing about how how much of A dickhead
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he is. Right, Right.
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Yeah, That was that was pretty amusing.
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It was because it happened like 4 times.
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He'd be walking into a scene and he would just help himself to
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whatever was on offer. Like if someone was like trying
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to drink glass of milk, he would just take it and swing it back.
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It was like what is this guy's got a real problem with just
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like not being invited. He just helps himself to
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everything. Yeah, it was.
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That was pretty funny. That was one of more funny sort
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of kind of rebounding comedy bits.
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Before we get to the your star rating, and this is probably for
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you, Rob, want some analysis on this?
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I wanna sort of project out 'cause we've got Spiderman still
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to come. We've got Avengers Doomsday
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still to come. We've had a couple of big high
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profile duds in the last couple weeks.
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Masters of the Universe, an 80s property, Supergirl, which last
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time we saw her in the movie, an 80s property.
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It does this portend some difficult things for Spider Man
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or Avengers? Are they too big to fail?
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Do we? What do you think?
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What do you think? Superheroes?
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And I'm lumping Masters of the Universe into that, but that's
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it's not exactly superhero, but kind of in that same vein.
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Yeah, what do you? Think.
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I, I, I feel like Spider Man will always have its own
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audience. So I think the Spider Man will
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probably do fine. And I think that Avengers
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Doomsday, as long as they advertise it correctly and it is
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kind of as cool as it looks like it might be.
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It looks like they're going to be doing some pretty crazy
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resetting and doing a whole pile of wild stuff with these
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characters. I think it could be a big movie
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for Christmas, but it's hard to know obviously, because things
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are pretty soft right now in the superhero genre.
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I think part of the problem with that, like Superman did, did
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well, you know, I think part of the problem is that Supergirl
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isn't really a technically a top tier character.
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She's not Wonder Woman or something.
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And I'm not sure how many people even know much about Supergirl
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at all. So it's a bit of a chance, I
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think, that they took on this movie.
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Yeah, I know nothing about Supergirl until, yeah, seeing
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the movie. And wasn't and I think.
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They're gonna be taking it. Wasn't enough.
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Maybe. Yeah.
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Well. Wasn't enough in superhero to
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kind of sorry, in Superman, it wasn't enough to kind of whet
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your appetite. A lot of the people that I think
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they were counting on to go, oh, that looks kind of cool.
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Having her right right to headline a movie just doesn't
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seem to obviously just didn't pull.
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I honestly think if they would have stuck to the Woman of
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Tomorrow and really followed that storyline a little closer,
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especially the ending, They had all the parts there.
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They could have done the ending exactly as it was in the comic.
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It would have been a much more satisfying movie in the end.
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And maybe it would have pulled in some more audiences, I don't
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know, members, I don't know. I will say something like
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Clayface. I think that's up in the air.
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I'm looking forward to Clayface because, you know, I think it's
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it's probably a good time to do Clayface because people are
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really into horror right now and it's a body horror movie and
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it's being framed that way. It's being presented that way.
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It's not a Batman movie. It's a it's about an actor who's
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gone a little, a little kooky and he's willing to do whatever
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it takes. So I think I think that could
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maybe just draw like an audience after the fact.
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Like you may see people start coming the week after it goes,
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you know, comes out because of. Yeah.
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Just Jay. That should be a movie for you.
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I mean, you know, you're an actor who's willing to do
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anything. So I can see the.
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I can see a tie in there for sure.
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Is your Is your eyeball melting right now?
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I can see you at the theater, Jay.
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And potentially, yeah. And good news, good news for
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Clay, say it was made for with for $40 million instead of like
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$200 million like Supergirl. Yeah.
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Wow, we're coming up. With 200 million.
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Something like that, yeah. It's a big movie, yeah.
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Yeah, we're coming up on time. I want to get to star ratings.
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Barry, why don't you kick us off?
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What's your star rating on? Supergirl, I had a good time and
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like I said, I went in naked. I didn't know anything about
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this character. I knew nothing.
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And his penis was out. It was insane.
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It was out. Everything was out, I would say
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4 out of five. I enjoyed it.
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I had a good time at the at the movies.
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Check it out. Supergirl is worth your hour.
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And what do you think it was? Rob what an hour 45?
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Just under 2 I think. Nice.
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Good runtime. It didn't overstay its welcome.
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And as you know, Jay, that's very.
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Important, very important. Rob, how about you star rating
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on Supergirl? It's a quick, clean movie.
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I think it it does what it has to do pretty quickly and and
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does it with some emotion. I definitely got a little weepy
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here and there because it was it was beautifully.
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Some of the moments were kind of well handled, the the
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destruction of Argo and all all that stuff like this or Krypton,
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I mean were really well put together, I think.
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And there was some thoughtful stuff in there that really is
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true to the characters. So that's kind of rare to see in
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in these movies, especially in the past.
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They wouldn't show that stuff or they would completely change it.
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So anyway, but I am a little disappointed.
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I did walk away a little disappointed that it wasn't as
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close to Woman of Tomorrow as I'd hoped it had been.
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And the ending was a little bit of a bummer.
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So I would I would give this a 3 1/2.
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OK, not so bad. So you know what?
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When we turn the Army of Two shot Tuesday audience on this
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movie, we may change its fate. We could potentially get this
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could have a massive second or third weekend.
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Opening. I think that's what's going to
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happen. Most likely run, don't walk to
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see Supergirl if you haven't already.
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There's plenty of seats available.
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Plenty of seats available. For you, bring chocolate milk,
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it's good. Yeah, not a lot of topping, so
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get there early for your popcorn topping if you Yeah.
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Berry drank it all. Yeah, yes, exactly, totally.
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Rob, a pleasure as always. Thank you for spending your time
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with us to to share your thoughts on Supergirl.
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Barry, always a pleasure to see you.
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And to our lovely listeners and viewers, we'll see you again
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