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AEW Dynamite Preview | The right amount of PPV's? · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for Ignition with the
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aaw fanhob podcast team in the week leading up to Double or Nothing. This
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is Kelson and this is Alex, and we're gonna lead with a little bit
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of news we just got. They've pushed back All Out from I think it
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was Sunday, September first, to a week later, maybe Sunday September eighth
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instead. No, I think it's the sixth, actually the sixth. Yeah,
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I think it's on Saturday now. Yeah, okay, it definitely prefers
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Saturday pay per views, so I like that, Yes, I agreat Yeah,
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especially at the five hour marathons you can actually sleep in the next day.
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Yeah, it was. It's really bizarre considering they don't have even a
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pay per view every month that they were having All In and then a week
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later doing All Out. Like what could possibly be the reason for doing that?
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I don't know, but let me ask you, did you feel like
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All In then they had All Out? Did you feel like a little bit
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burned out on wrestling? You know, because you had All In then you
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had you know, had your regular dynamite, you had your rampage, you
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had your collision, then you had All Out. It's almost like, what
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seventeen hours worth of wrestling in that week? Yeah, you know, it
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seemed like it fifteen hours. Yeah, And I remember having like zero expectations
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for All Out last year. It just felt like it was like the throwaway,
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like throw on the matches that aren't good enough for all In is what
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it felt like. It ended up being a much better show, I think
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than anyone expected it to be. But yeah, yeah, it was fine,
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But what you're saying, it felt like I described it as a go
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home pay per view. Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah. I bought All
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In, but I but I refused to buy All Out, and I think
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I missed a shot of standing. It's the paper review, but I'm glad
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they're separating a little bit more of this time. A lot of people were
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saying last year. I don't know if you guys agree with this, that
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with the close proximity of the two pay per views, they should have done
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a two for one package for maybe ten dollars more. Yeah, yeah,
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definitely. Yeah. I don't know if it's available for you guys, but
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I know in Canada on Trailer TV they do have a package for the last
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three months with like Forbidden Door double or nothing and well or I think it
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was, Yeah, Dynasty, the one that we just had, it's like
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three and three months, so it's it's still super expensive. It's like one
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hundred and forty Canadian instead of one hundred and sixty or something. It's not
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a big savings, but it's it's still something. Yeah, yeah, it's
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something. It's a big burden to pay that much, so yeah, back
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back. It is interesting because obviously, like WWE is just a streaming service
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now, so it's you know, ten bucks a month or fifteen or whatever
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it is. Like AW when they started, they had four pay per views
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and it's sixty bucks a pop or whatever. So it's it's a lot of
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money, but it's maybe more comparable the ten to fifteen bucks a month.
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But AW has increased their pay per views now I'm counting nine, Like in
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twenty twenty four, we're gonna have nine pay per views and they're all fifty
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sixty bucks each. Yeah, I'm just wondering everybody's thoughts on aw's pay per
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view schedule and the price point and how it kind of balances out. I
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guess aw's schedule. Well, honestly, well, and I believe that the
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only reason that they added the extra pay per views is because Warner brother when
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they signed the last contract, said we need more pay per views. They
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wanted one a month, from what I understood, and Tony kind of has
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been spacing them out and he hasn't got to that one a month, and
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I don't think he's going to. But I think most people misunderstood what happened
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with Like Dark and and Elevation. Why it went away was because of Warner
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Brothers. And I think that was the same reason that they brought extra pay
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per views, is because they wanted them as part of the TV deal.
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Well here's the thing though, and I don't know if you guys agree with
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this, so please let me know. A pay per view is only good
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when it has an identity, you know, like with you got what you
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got, say for WWE, you've got the Royal Rumble. You know what
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the identity of the Royal Rumble is. You know, you've got King and
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Queen of the Ring. You know, you you know, whatever they do,
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there's a certain identity with it, money in the bank, you know,
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whatever. You know, they have different identities where aw's are just pay
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per views now. Not being negative here because I do feel like with the
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pay per views and the increased number of pay per views, it has improved
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the storytelling quite a bit in AW where they used to like, Okay,
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we've got three months until the next pay per view, so we're just going
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to throw matches at you and see if anything sticks on the wall, you
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know kind of thing. Now they're doing this because they have to establish a
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story to get pay per view by So I do see a positive in that.
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But yeah, and I'm not saying that it's it's a bad thing that
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right now, But like Double or Nothing, wasn't that the pay per view
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that had the Casino Battle Royal? Yes, we have not seen a mention
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to that's that's an identity, that's it. That's the kind of thing I'm
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talking about. When you when you're here Double or Nothing, you're like,
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oh, that's the one with the Casino Battle Royal. What do you see
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Forbidden Door. That's the one where the Japanese wrestlers come over to America to
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get crushed. You know that kind of thing. You know. That's what
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I'm saying is that if they make it identify if a popular segment or even
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a theme of the whole pay per view, you have to give it an
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identity. I think that AW will eventually get there, but it is concerning
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that double or nothing doesn't have a casino battle royal with a joker and all
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that. That's to me, that's the fun part. Yeah, I agree
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with you. Yeah, I can agree with them. I can agree to
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that. I can. I think there needs to be five main pay per
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views, and I would like to see them get rid of Battle of the
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Belts. And I don't remember what it was called. Back in the baby
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WCW had a big house show. I don't think it was Class of Champions,
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but smattering of those big televisions to a little suspective that you know,
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something may big may happen because when you go to Battle of the Belts,
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you know no champions are gonna lose, because that's that's the precedent that's been
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set. But I don't think they need that many pay per views because that's
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gonna blow people. You know, if they had one per month like WWE
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sometimes has, then that wears you out. But but as Kelson said,
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they have they really do, they really have gotten better storyteller because they had
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to build for a couple of months, so they are getting better. But
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I would like to see just five. I don't think there needs to be
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any more than that. M Yeah, I think, like I have no
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problem with having eight pay per views. Welve is maybe a bit too many,
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just because they're charging people fifty sixty bucks for each pay per view and
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that's a lot of money to pay. But I do and what Kelson was
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saying is, I do feel like it helps the storytelling. Like AW goes
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through a cycle, especially when there's two three months between a pay per view,
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where it's like kind of things kind of drag on a little bit in
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month two just coming into the pay per view, like it seems like the
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storylines kind of struggle, the TV shows not as interesting, people are saying
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more bad things about AW, and then all of a sudden, they have
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a big, successful pay per view and everyone's happy, everyone's excited again,
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and then they kind of repeat that cycle over and over again. Especially it
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was bad when you know they had three months between a pay per view and
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they used to try to split it up. They do like winners coming after
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about six weeks, so they at least had like something to build to because
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yeah, Glant, Yeah, because a lot of times they don't have those
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matches on the TV shows where it's really in question who's gonna wind. The
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main title is not going to change hands until the pay per view, So
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then if you have three months between that, you know, what are you
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doing? You're just spinning your wheels for three months. So I don't want
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too I think what they were doing in the beginning was not so much that
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the storytelling wasn't as good. It was done differently. They would do it
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on a per match basis. They weren't really worried about building things that entire
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three month period. They would just go in and do storytelling per match instead
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of making it like they do now. But I agree, you know they
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I think right now is at the right number. You know. Where I
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had the biggest problem, and this is probably gonna be unpopular, but bear
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with me, because I do have a point here where I have a problem
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with the old pay per view cycle was when they brought in Forbidden Door.
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The first two Forbid Doors. When you look at it, it was right
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in the middle of nowhere. They filled it a spot with Forbid Door,
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But for like three weeks before Forbidden Door, and for a couple of weeks
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after Forbidden Door, they were setting up Forbidden Door specifically, which meant that
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nothing AW related was happening during that time except for throwing together matches. So
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I used to refer to Forbid Door as the momentum killer, because you put
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a total stop to everything that was being done in AW to focus on Forbidden
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Door. And then again after Forbidden Door you had a couple of wrap button
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matches, you know, and then then then you got aw agains. But
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for a month and a half or at least a month on the week of
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the month of Forbidden Door, all AW activity stopped, and that that was
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a momentum killer. Now if you look at it this year, I don't
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have a problem with it. Why because you've got the whole thing with Jack
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Perry going to through Japan and being familiar with that over there, so he's
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got a little bit of a foot in the door in New Japan. You've
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got John Moxley as the IWGP champion. You've had Eddie Kingston until very recently
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as the Strong open Weight Championship champion. You've seen in the women's division.
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You've had Mina Shirakawa over here, You've had ACM, You've had tam Na
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Kano, You've had three other women from stardom over here. That's the kind
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of thing you do, you slowly incorporated building a mistique. And they've actually
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built a mystique with like Mina Shirakawa. There's a story going on there.
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There's a story with Willow Nightingale going over to startup just this past week and
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Miking tam Tocano. So they're doing things that make sense, but not forgetting
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or pushing aside ae W stuff. Yeah, And I would say like the
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first year for bidd Indor they had injuries and oh yeah, it was not
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a strong card. And last year's for bid Indor was a lot more interesting.
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They had Omega Osprey too, they had Ocatta Danielson, So there it
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was a lot more interesting to me and exciting. And I really like for
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Bid Indor just the concept that they can have that, and I'm hoping it's
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much more integrated this year. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's what
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you want and you want my boy, yeah, you know. But I
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think really the important thing with Forbidden Door is in the meaningful matches. Have
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somebody who came through Forbidden Door win at least one or two of them.
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I mean, because it's I hate to say it, but you know,
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somebody brought up Battle of the Belts earlier. Forbidden Door's this Battle of the
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Belts, buddy, it's just Battle of the Belts. Well, I understand
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that, and I get it and all, but it's like anything else.
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There's not too many companies, even well in New Japan. I can't really,
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you can't really say that because New Japan will put up to whoever they
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win will be the best for the match. And that's always been the problem
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with American wrestling. Whoever is running that company wants their people to win,
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and I don't. I don't, I don't see I. Unfortunately, it's
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never been different, and that's one of the biggest reasons why people always complained
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that, you know, WWE would never you know, somebody somebody told me
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the other day we were talking about the Forbidden Door, and they said,
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yeah, well, it would be cool to see you guys from w W
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in there. I said, yeah, that would be cool too. If
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if if w W E con get it to their head that they're not going
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to win every match, because that's why companies don't like working with them.
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Tony's getting he'll get to the point hopefully where that will change. But there
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are some things in a W that they do that they just might as well
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not because you already know what's gonna happen, And if you could schedule them
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the whole year long, and you're gonna know the Battle of the Belts,
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never going to see a belt change, never have yet. Eliminator matches.
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What the hell is the point of an eliminator match because champions never lose,
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so you know, in no And I think there was one time that's happened,
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and that was like in the first year, but I can't remember it
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was somebody I know. I know that thunder ROSSA went to Japan to t
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j p W and lost the eliminator match. To me. You you have
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Ashida, so MEA, you have Ashida got a World Championship match and came
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to the United States and fought thunder Ross on TV and lost. I think
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that's the only one that's been that way. They're five years in, you've
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got one of those happened, makes no sense. I mean, we all
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know, we all know the wrestlings predictable. I mean, you sit there
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and you can It's gonna be hard to give everybody what they want. It's
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gonna be hard to make it so that, you know, people can say,
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you know, wow, this card like tonight or tomorrow night's card,
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you pretty much knew who's gonna win them all. It's a set up matches,
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set up matches for the for the pay per view. It gives everybody
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involved in the pay per view chance to be in the in the show beforehand
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and ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Do you
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guys? This is what just answer all at once if you want. Do
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you guys remember when Action Andretti beat Chris Jericho? Yep, yeah, yep.
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Do you remember when Chris Jericho beat Action Andretti a couple months later?
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Nope? No, no, Why Because Action Andretti beating Chris Jericho was unpredictable.
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It was entertaining. That's what AW has to do. That's what all
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wrestling companies have to do. It doesn't matter if you put on a great
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match, it really doesn't. You could have an average match, but if
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the result is unpredictable, it's going to be memorable. Remember when I believe
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Bill Goldberg's first match was against you Morrison in w c W. Nobody knew
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who Bill Bill Goldberg was. He came out and he won. That was
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a big moment. Why because it was unpredictable. Well, unfortunately, everybody
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that worked for WCW knew who Bill Goldberg was, but the fans didn't because
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he never wrestled before. Right, Yeah, I get what you're saying fans.
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I'm not talking about the people. Unfortunately, Unfortunately, that's just not
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how it's ever been done. I mean, you do get some that are
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unpredictable. Sometimes it's because when injury in a match. Uh like when uh
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the international title was given to uh shooting what's his name Phoenix? Yeah,
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Ray Phoenix. When there was an injury in that match, it was unintentionally
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unpredictable. Yeah, right, but I mean, well I get it,
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but I mean it was still a surprise. But you know, it comes
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down to it, it's great to have that happen, and it's it's a
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it's a it's something that's it seems like it's always been that way. It
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would be great it wasn't, but A W is really bad at it though,
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Well, and there, and and there's still you got to think about
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it. They're still in their incumbency, there their infancy. I don't I
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can't use that as an excuse. Cannot use that as an excuse. I
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don't know. I think the opposite way. I think a lot of their
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matches are just done phenomenal matches and it really doesn't matter is if they if
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they to me, if the match is a phenomenal match and you know who's
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gonna win it, I would rather see a phenomenal match than a master that
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goes half assed and you know, you know he's gonna win. Look,
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actually a Dready and great Chris Jercho. That was a great match. But
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people remember it because of who won it. Oh yeah, not because it
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was a great match. They remember it because they who want it and how
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impressive he was and winning it meeting actually a Dready. I mean, you're
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not gonna get somebody like Sir Pentico going out there and beating Squerve Strickland,
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and that's kind of unbelievable. And nothing against Sir Pentaco. He is actually
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a really good wrestler, But that's unbelievable. But you know, Mariah May
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going against Tony storm ary mation with that match baking because predictably it's Tony Storm.
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You gotta go against every once in a while, you got to go
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against the norm, and sure it has to be a reason. You've got
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to be able to give somebody a push. But I'm sorry, but throwing
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Brian Keith against whoever the helly wrestle did in the qualifier match on on uh
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what was Jack cart Wheel? I think it was U qualifier match on Collision.
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You knew that Jack cart Wheel wasn't going to be going into Double or
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Nothing pay per view for a you know, go well, go with the
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Dynamite for a chance for a pay per view appearance at Double or Nothing.
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That for you know, to qualify, that's that's preposterous. So you knew
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who was gonna win a Shabbata match. You know who's gonna win the win
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the hook match, et cetera. And you know what, let's go on
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to the Dynamite preview and why we're on this subject, Let's talk about the
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qualifier match for who will face Chris Jericho for the for the World Championship at
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Double or Nothing. It's going to be Shabata versus the Bounty Hunter Brian Keith
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versus Hook. Uh are you suggesting that this is a predictable match? Calson
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though, Well, no, I what with it? Because we were talking
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about, you know, the qualifier matches being predictable. Now this is the
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ultimate qualifier match. Conventional wisdom would say to Hook's gonna predictably win this match.
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I don't think Brian Keith stands a snowswall's chance in hell of winning this
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match. Shabbata has a chance, you know. Uh, but wait,
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the way I look at it, Uh, the way I look at it
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is that uh. Here, here's my my one in a million prediction.
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Is that remember when Hook and and uh Chris Jericho were partners with Shabbata and
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Hook and Hook and Chris Jericho kind of got into it, Shabata got pinned.
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Maybe this is retribution. Maybe Hook and Brian Keith get into it at
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Chabata gets the pin, you know, so maybe it will be Shabbata going
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into double or nothing. Let me be honest with you, I really don't
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want to see another Hook and Chris Jericho match. I would really root for
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Brian Keith and or uh Shabata to win it. I don't know about you,
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guys, So let me know my fantasy. Yeah, go ahead,
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go ahead, Uh, okay, what is passed among I would book it.
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You know, he talks about surprises, but I would love to see
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you know, Jericho kind of getting because he doesn't want to face Hook or
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Shabata and they somehow it's heat and it be uh Brian Keith versus Trip versus
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Chris Jerker. It could. It could put Brian Keith on the map and
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show people that he can still go. He can go with Chris Jericho and
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put on a good match. Yes, I know he won't win, but
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it would be nice because I like Hook and I like Shabata, but they
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both face Jericho and it's time to let other people shine. It will remind
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me of a match, you know, like Chris Jerke, like back in
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the day when Felton Benjamin beat Triple H and stuff like that, where it's
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a good there's a decent chance. But Keith lee to me ise who look
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to do it? I think Shapada would be a good match. I don't
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want to see another Hook right now, and I don't think they need that
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because he doesn't need because Hook doesn't need to get the belt back right away.
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Well, if Brian Keith wins the match, MK, would you agree
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that that is not a good pay per view buy? And that's a zero
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hour match against Christ Jericho. Well, but that title is ben zero hour
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before, so I mean, but I don't think Chris Ego could contain being
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a zero hours so I don't know. Yeah, I I feel like I
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would definitely say like one hundred percent or ninety nine point nine percent hook is
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winning here. I I'd love to see more Brian Keith. I'd love Apparently
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he's a supernatural bounty hunter. I heard him saying that on his podcast,
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and I don't think I don't think that's ever been conveyed on aw television.
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And I'd like to see him in a feud with like Shane Taylor and see
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more about his character and what makes him a banty hunter with real much.
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Yeah. Yeah, he's like the little undertaker, I guess, the bounty
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hunter instead of a funeral home guy. That's that's just what he's That's what
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he's described his character. That's why I mean, it's not the least weird
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you know, we have. Abo was gonna say he could give him something
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to do, he could be a team with Abdon, like they could back
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each other up. I don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
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think it could be funny. But yeah, this match, I think we're
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gonna see some drama between Shabata and Hook. I saw someone post somewhere an
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image of Shebata leaving his collision match through the heel tunnel, so I thought.
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I started thinking in my head. One of is if we see Shebata
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join the Learning Tree, Oh, I need to put him there. And
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I don't know, I don't know what about that makes me happy, but
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I could see it being pretty funny and pretty good. He could be the
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bon learn That's true. That is true. No comment. It's a little
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bit racist though, no not. I know it is. And I'm just
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saying, you know, this is the Internet. Somebody's gonna call you racist
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first. That's just getting ahead of it. I can anymore. We're getting
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were everybody else, anybody else want to talk about this? Frankly, what
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I feel is like the most ridiculous batch. It is. It is,
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But you know, I want to hate Chris Jericho so much. That Learning
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Tree is so obnoxious and so ridiculous, but it's just so funny every time
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I listen to him talk, it just gets funnier and funnier. It's unbelievable
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how unaware he seems to be of exactly how aggravating he is to those around
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him, and it's it's so silly. I can't believe he's doing that.
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Yeah, I don't know after this, that's why. Yeah, I guess
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so. I wonder what he's gonna do next, you know, like,
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what else is there for Chris Jared? What else? Exactly what else he's
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done everything? Yeah, Alex, if you don't mind, I'm going to
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bring up the next segment is, well, I know it's your turn.
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I want to bring up this is a three part segment because I really don't
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want to talk about these very very often, very much. Uh. John
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Moxley is going to be in the building. I shit you not. That's
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what the promo says. John Moxley will be in the building. Who gives
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a flying you know what? Uh. The second part is the Bag Bang
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Gang will be at Dynamite. Hey, the promotional people over at a w
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are knocking it out of the park set sarcastically. And the third thing is
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we're getting a TBS Championship preview between Willow Nightingale and uh and Mercedes Monet,
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which has been having the has it the last three months? Been a TBS
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Championship preview? Why do we need another one? I don't understand it.
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These three segments are like wrap it up nice and tight, you know,
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rease it up real nice, and shove it up. You're you know what?
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Tiller, especially just saying TBS Championship preview, that just sounds like a
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video package or something like god yeah, possibly a venu or interview between the
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two. I just think it's a good way to get Mercedes Monet on TV
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and let her to learn how to get promos better, teaching an old dog
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new trick. The one thing that the one thing that you might see actually
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happen in that it's because of what happened this weekend. But Tam said something
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about, you know, she's not happy that she lost, and she really
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had claimed that she was going to be the one defending that title next weekend,
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so she could be. They could have them too, john at each
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other and have her come out and challenge the winner or do something to be
28:52
involved. Yeah, before it, before I had heard of the match,
28:57
because I'm sorry, I this match I have a interest in seeing as someone
29:03
who has never seen Mercedes Monet or Sasha Banks for Rust Alive meaning on TV,
29:11
even I've watched replays of a couple of her matches, I'm interested to
29:17
see what she could do. I already know what Willow Nightingale can do,
29:22
and uh well, I'll just face it for me, tam Tocano is five
29:26
times the wrestler that Willow Nightingale is, So I kind of like to see
29:30
tam To Conno added to the match at Double or Nothing or something. Maybe
29:34
she comes out and does something so that Mercedes does win so Willow doesn't get
29:41
a clean pin. I don't want to talk about it too much because we're
29:45
gonna be doing a Double or Nothing preview show tomorrow night, but I think
29:51
tam To Coano may get involved in that match at a point where we have
29:53
a match between Mercedes and tam at Forbidden Door. H Like you said about
30:00
Monet, I got to thinking about that. I haven't seen her wrestle in
30:04
a long time, and the more I think about it, I was never
30:10
that impressed with her wrestling ability either. She was just to me, she
30:15
was just kind of like one of those she had a gimmick, and that
30:22
was basically it for her. It wasn't. She wasn't. I mean,
30:26
there's not a whole many too many in the other company that impressed me as
30:29
wrestlers. Here's the thing. When you look at the AW fat up subred
30:37
and there are a lot of people on there like me who their only exposure
30:41
to Sasha Banks Mercedes Monette has been since she's been an aw one like me.
30:48
Her promotion, her, her her personality is confusing to me because she
30:53
comes out and has these really phoned in CEO chants built into her music,
31:00
which bothers the heck out of me. She calls herself the CEO for no
31:04
reason whatsoever. That's like me calling myself the mountain. I mean, there's
31:10
no reason for it, but hey, so I'll just call myself the mountain.
31:14
And and then she's got you know, people say she's the CEO for
31:18
no reason, and all she does is as I say, most of the
31:21
time, people are much nicer than I am when they say it. But
31:23
the only thing that she does is fall over her tongue and do that stupid
31:29
goddamn dance. Well, that's the thing she's building on her history from WWE.
31:37
That's what this is. And that's one of the things I thought was
31:40
kind of weird that when they brought her in they were going to continue in
31:45
it with slight differences her character as what she was when she was in WW.
31:52
It made no sense. I mean, you know, you bring in
31:56
uh, well, let's see you got came in. He changed just he
32:00
changed completely, And I really can't do that, I said. And I
32:09
didn't change change much either when he came in. No, but I mean,
32:14
but he's he's but he wasn't that over. I guess it's more like
32:19
WW still has an issue when it comes to making the women like they tried
32:24
to get away from the big time, over the top characterizations like they had
32:30
way back in the days with like uh, you know before when they had
32:35
Undertaker and all those guys when they first started out. They didn't get away
32:38
from that with the women. They've they've not really done the women as just
32:44
them, and she had that, you know, it was like she was
32:52
the bank, she was the business woman. That was what it was,
32:54
and that's why she's the CEO. She was the bomba so that instead of
33:00
being called the boss, they call it a CEO. Instead. Yeah,
33:04
but they're the only woman in WWE that impressed me with wrestling would be the
33:09
man. Other than that, I've never really been impressed with any of them,
33:15
and Sasha was never there. So I get that she's a big name.
33:21
I think on the main roster she didn't do a whole lot, but
33:24
in NXT her matches versus Bailey, I feel like that kind of put I
33:30
don't want to say put women's wrestling on the map, because I think internationally
33:35
things have happened, but in America, Yeah, yeah, that was like
33:40
really a big moment. It was just treating women's wrestling as on the same
33:45
level as men's wrestling, giving the main event matches. It was just n
33:50
XT. It wasn't the main roster, and she didn't do as well there,
33:52
but that was like a big moment for me, and she had really
33:58
really great matches. That's on ten years ago at this point. But I
34:01
do you think she is the Yeah, yeah, out of the four horse
34:07
Women as they were called, I think Sasha was lower on that tote and
34:13
pool, but but she was all about her gimmick. You know. They
34:16
had Queen, you know, had Becky, and they had all those and
34:22
Sasha was more of the larger than life gimmick, and she couldn't. She
34:30
wrestled decently and she carried you a good mat But I really am interested to
34:35
see how she does have the title. I think they're putting because of her
34:39
name. I don't think she's earned it. I think they should have waited
34:44
to bring her in so they didn't have to wait forever in a day just
34:46
for her to see a match with her and maybe waited until she was ready,
34:52
so for a few times she'd actually have a even being tag mated.
34:55
But we don't know how she can go, and that feels like, you
34:59
know, kind of a waste because we don't know how good she is.
35:02
And she kind of stepped up the line when she said hey, I'm next,
35:06
when there was a whole line full of people that could have went.
35:08
So I think she stepped on some toes as well. Yeah, I have
35:14
to agree with you. Yeah, I agree, mm hmm, Gilson,
35:22
it's quiet. Anything else else, well, yeah, I think they presented
35:30
her as a big deal coming out of big business, and she hasn't done
35:37
a lot of favors for herself in like filling the shoes like they teed her
35:43
up and I don't think she hit it out of the park by any means.
35:46
Yes, but now she gets a chance to wrestle and show herself that
35:51
way, and hopefully she impresses. There's a lot of running online. Yeah,
35:57
she's supposed to be top dog, and I don't think she is.
36:00
I think Tony Storm is a better wrestler. I think Mariah Mays is a
36:05
better wrestler than her better actors too, like they're yeh charisma. I love
36:14
that Tony Sworm lives a gimmick even inside of wrestling. On that photo that
36:19
was posted from Tim from the wedding, that was funny to me too.
36:23
Yeah, but you know, but she's Tom's not that great of her wrestler,
36:30
but herr her persona is what puts her over and you know, leading
36:37
into there were nothing I don't you know, we know the winner of that
36:40
probably too. But there are a lot of people who are better than wrestlers
36:45
and than Mercedes, and she's gonad to step it up, and she can't
36:49
step it up, then I'm going to say that he right now, I
36:52
don't think that Mercedes Monette was worth the money that she's getting. Yeah,
37:00
and it's just weird that everybody else that the two gentlemen that came in at
37:05
the same time have been food blown, going balls out crazy with matches ever
37:12
since they came in. They wrestled almost every week. What didn't Why isn't
37:15
she wrestling? There's plenty of opportunities she had to get in the ring.
37:21
She's hurt? Is she still hurt? She was not cleared. She was
37:24
cleared to wrestle her first match at ard Nothing. We need to move on
37:28
because we've been speaking about this. Nobody said, hey, you know what,
37:34
we're just repeating ourselves over and I'm cutting this whole thing out of the
37:37
podcast because there's no sense of talking to it for talking about the same thing
37:40
for fifteen minutes. So let's move on to Alex uh yeah talking about newer
37:46
members of AW. We have a tag team match Orange Cassidy and will Ospray
37:52
versus Trent Burretta and Roderick Strong. Hey, I mean this match will go
37:58
either way, and it's interesting we're setting up both the Don Kallis family storyline,
38:05
the Orange Cassidy versus Trent Bretta storyline, will Ospray versus Roderick Strong.
38:12
Yeah, so I think there's a lot of drama at play in this match,
38:16
and I like all these guys as wrestlers, so I think it'll be
38:21
a pretty fun match. And there's history between Osprey and Orange Cassidy. Yes
38:27
they had. Yeah, I'm gonna say I'm give a spicy prediction, as
38:31
as Kelson says, and I really feel that this is the match that somebody
38:37
is going to turn, whether it's going to be Trent gonna turn but Trent's
38:42
gonna join Callous family or Orange Cassidy is going to do something, said it
38:51
because they don't have that match, and there has to be more of a
38:54
beef between Orange Cassidy and Trent than just have a match already that so something's
39:01
got to build. I don't know what, but I think there's something spicy's
39:06
gonna happen. There's a lot of tension there, but I don't know where
39:12
they're going with it. Every time I think there's gonna be a turn,
39:15
nothing happens, So I don't know, you know what. Here's here's my
39:22
opinion on this, Okay, and I'm going to actually talk about several of
39:27
the matches You've got Will Osbury and Roderick Strong Arett who have matches at double
39:31
or nothing? Tony Storm as a match at double or Nothing's worth. Strickland
39:36
has a match at double or nothing. Malachai Black, Brian Danielson, Well,
39:43
can I catcha Sorda has a match at double nothing? You've got all
39:46
these matches with people that are gonna rest on pay per view. What happens
39:50
if one of these people get injured on have an unfortunate injury? Why are
39:53
you having any of these matches? I literally will be watching this matches not
39:59
giving a day am about who wins or loses these matches. All I want
40:02
is for them all to come out of this healthy because these are stupid matches.
40:08
You gotta have them on there. I mean, you got to be
40:12
able to match. You got to give him a reason to watch, and
40:15
I would have watch prefer Brian John Moxley, Brian Danielson, can Testa,
40:21
Roderick Strong, Orange, Cassidy will Osprey, et cetera, et cetera will
40:25
be in the building. Yeah, but then there would be no wrestling on
40:30
their show. Sure will just be two hours of guys walking around backstage and
40:36
you just have walking up the and then it would be a raw so you
40:40
don't need a raw on on a Dynamite show. I mean, I'm just
40:44
saying this makes no sense. I'd mean, I'd rather see sky Blue against
40:49
Harley Cameron than have Tony Storm. In the tradition, it's always the same.
40:58
Every time you have a go home show or the beginning of the week
41:01
of that pay per view, they always had the guys involved in the pay
41:05
per view involved in matches. It's always been that way. I just I
41:08
just don't mind it, especially especially when you look at you know, the
41:14
unfortunate injuries that have plagued a w There's been injuries in WWE stardom. Now
41:20
even Merrigold had had uh as an injury. Julia got hurt. She's out,
41:27
so you know, Eddie Kingston's out until for nine months. You know.
41:30
It's just it's just like, don't kept faith. Don't you up your
41:37
pay per view for for a Dynamite that six hundred thousand people are going to
41:40
watch. Yeah, well, they're professionals, and like they're not going to
41:45
have a crazy match, like like Eddie Kingston broke his leg getting suplex out
41:51
of the ring through a table into the barricade. Yeah, hopefully they don't
41:54
do that, not dynamite, they might. I wouldn't put it past these
41:59
guys they like that, like Brian Danielson. I just said, there's a
42:04
report that he needs neck surgery, So what do they do? They put
42:07
him in a match with sat and them saying that doesn't mean that at all.
42:10
That's the one that question, that's that's kind of that's the one.
42:16
I agree. Malachi Black has a history of injuries over the last couple of
42:21
years, So what do you do before his big shot at the pay per
42:22
view? You put him in a match with Kyle O'Reilly, who also has
42:27
a history of injuries. You know you have you're world champion in a completely
42:35
meaningless match against Nick Wayne. Uh Ka is already in a meaningless match at
42:42
at double or nothing, So you're putting him in a match that against Matt
42:45
Sidel that there's no chance that Sidel's gonna win. So why even bother having
42:49
it. I just don't understand. I wouldn't put Nick Wayne versus as meaningless
42:55
because those who have a history and it's building that that swerve has to pay
43:00
for his past past deeds and what and what he did, So that one
43:05
I can't say, meaningless that had to least some grudge involved and that the
43:08
rest don't really. Yeah, the only problem I have with that is that's
43:14
over a year ago. But it's part of the past. I mean,
43:17
he can't move past that. Yeah, it's part of the past. But
43:22
they didn't continue that storyline, you know what I mean. He went into
43:28
that and then they moved on to two separate things. They went two separate
43:32
ways. It wasn't like it was something that's been going on for the last
43:36
year and then all of a sudden they're bringing back a year later, going
43:38
oh, yeah, well they had this last year, so well, I
43:42
just I kind of agree that it's kind of weird to have that match.
43:45
But but but but on second thought, this couldn't be part of a leading
43:52
to the downfall of Christian Cage mm hmm, because Wayne's trying to if he
44:00
you know, he could he could look at that as jealousy of Nick moving
44:05
in on his match beforehand, and that could help. Hopefully that's what it's
44:10
gonna do. Yeah, you would swear leaving Nick Wayne like drenched in blood
44:20
a year ago and now Nick Wayne got his revenge. Where was squirting blood
44:25
out on the ring last week and now they're going to have a match.
44:28
Yeah. I like this match. I think there's a lot of drama behind
44:32
it. It is obviously just the work like a try up or a work
44:37
up match for Swerve Strickland, but there's a lot more to it than just
44:42
that. And Nick Wayne's exciting and I yeah, I'm excited for this match.
44:49
Yeah. Well, just so you guys know, I mean, I've
44:52
said all that I'm gonna say. I have something else to say. I
44:57
think the rest of that died of my back. I think that the vast
45:00
majority of this side of my card makes no sense, and I honestly they'll
45:04
probably watching it with like, Okay, my only hope. I don't care
45:07
who wins, who loses anything. I just don't want anybody to get hurt.
45:12
So it doesn't ruin before nothing, because frankly, double or nothing is
45:16
we're coming from. But you know, so that's it, So enjoy the
45:21
rest of the podcast. I am out by ELK So okay, I'm gonna
45:30
I was gonna move on to Kyler Riley Malachi Black, but I'm Katie,
45:34
do you have something else to add? No, I was just inn comment
45:37
on Kyler Riley versus Malachi Black, But I think it's an uniful energy.
45:43
Yeah. I really think those who can go at it both are kind of
45:47
strikers. So that'll be a very good match to put those those two together.
45:55
I like Carler Riley doing good things. I'm glad he's away from the
46:00
abysmal mess that is on the Speaking Kingdom, so you know. And plus
46:07
Malachi is getting yet another singles match with by one by an award along the
46:13
graph about and say that he never gets him, and now he's getting him,
46:15
so they'll find something else to graph about me. But it's a big,
46:21
good match up, yeah, for sure. Like I I think Malachi
46:28
Black he had a singles match versus Brian Keith at one point. I think
46:32
he had one other one, but he really hasn't had a singles match versus
46:37
anyone with any real credibility or has actually one matches an ae W. So
46:44
I am excited for this match and their styles match up kind of beautifully.
46:50
Yeah, I'm really excited for this match. Kind of announced it in nowhere,
46:54
Yeah, really good. Surprised. Well, it's us into the storyline.
47:01
I mean it does because O'Riley had coming out to help. Uh,
47:07
yeah, Adam, But it's one of those things where it should be a
47:10
really good match. It might be the best match of the night, to
47:14
be honest about it. But yeah, I love Malachai. I think it's
47:19
a good thing for him. Hopefully you'll you know, it's one of those
47:23
things. It's a match that they'll put on and I think it'll be great.
47:30
It should. I don't say the reason why it wouldn't be. Mm
47:36
hmm, all right, Sutton, what match do you want to talk about
47:40
next? Oh, let's see, that's a good question. Well, let's
47:46
talk about the Giant. The Giant versus the the Dragon Good. Now,
47:53
honestly, this match makes absolutely no sense. I get it. It's about
47:59
the bounty, that the it's it's it's furthering the the the the e VP's
48:07
storyline of setting up the thing. But to be honest with you, this
48:12
is the one match that they really should not do. Yeah, it should
48:15
have been Jared or you know, somebody else, but putting him up against
48:21
a guy who is not that good a wrestler in the first place. I've
48:25
never seen something them do anything that made me impress that he was other than
48:30
what the old fashioned you know Giant that they had back in the old days.
48:38
He's just there because of his size. Great college, yeah, the
48:44
great colleague or Giant Gonzalez or you know the guys that were there who they
48:52
were, the favorite of the owner, the type of guy they wanted.
48:55
But I just don't see a reason why you have this match. I yeah,
49:01
yeah, Sat has been he's been fun a few times on TV.
49:08
I don't know if he's I can't picture him wrestling. I'm looking at its.
49:14
Apparently he wrestled in a twelve man match on Zero Hour against the Bang
49:19
Bank Scissor Gang. I guess he wrestled in a and then he wrestled on
49:23
Ring of Honor and a TV taping for Ring of Honor. But yeah,
49:28
he doesn't have a lot of matches. I think this match will be just
49:31
silly fun. Yeah. I can see Jeff Jarrett and his game getting involved
49:37
in this match somehow to getting paid by Jarrett to get involved, by the
49:43
by the e VP to get involved too. But Satin Seeing is very good
49:47
at being a part of a a good bit player. But we'll see how
49:52
how good Brian Anderson is He able a carry satinum platinum singing a match,
50:06
but e them, I can do it. It's it's brand and oh yeah,
50:09
they'll definitely. I mean it could be a great match, a good
50:13
match. I won't say a great match, but the the good that could
50:17
come out of it compared to what could happen bad, there's no way in
50:22
this one that you would do that. Now, if they get in the
50:24
ring and they have a few minutes and they go at each other a couple
50:28
of times and then all hell breaks loose and you've got FTR coming out because
50:32
they're not on a match, and you get Darby come out, and Jeff
50:37
and the other everybody else come out, and you have a big old beat
50:40
down in the middle of the ring. That would be good, and that
50:43
might be what happens, but yeah, I don't know. This is just
50:45
weird. This seems like a like a filler match. Yeah, yeah,
50:54
like it's filler, but it's so weird that it's interesting. Like like if
51:00
you compare the Keno skated catch the Matt side ow, that's that's just you
51:07
know, that's just there so to catch they can get a win before,
51:14
but is very good. I mean he's yeah, y, when's the last
51:20
time to catch the wrestle. I can't teach. I think it's been a
51:25
while since he's had a match. Uh he did against Offbreay. Uh the
51:32
last pair you did those two weeks ago, two three weeks ago. Yes,
51:38
I'm looking on the internet. They had. He had a match like
51:43
a month ago at tag team match, him and Fletcher versus Danielson and Claudio
51:49
Costa on the bunk House Brawl match. I think that was right before.
51:53
Yeah, that's why you have that match. Yeah, but but I mean
52:00
Matt Soidell is very good at putting on good moves and moves, and you
52:05
know he was the one who had the cool r KO back in the day,
52:13
oh from a shooting star press. Yes, you know, he's good
52:15
enough. You know, he's very good at pitting people over. He will
52:19
never be the top guy. He may never get another belt. But Matt
52:23
Sidell has a long history and he's he's a guy who I enjoy every match
52:29
he's in. Mm hmm. Do you guys know why he's called Matt Sidell.
52:36
No. Apparently he was a big fan of Sab who was like the
52:40
suicidal genocidal and then he wanted to be the Matt Fidal, which doesn't make
52:49
I just thought that was funny. That's very interesting. M M. Yeah,
52:53
it's a Sabo reference. So it'll be the story. It'll be the
53:02
title match or the Nick Wayne versus Uh you think, yeah, probably that'll
53:10
be the event. Like I would Malachite Black match just because that seems the
53:20
most interesting. But yeah, well you never know what them because because a
53:24
couple last week or so, it would the one went out next to last
53:31
and the main event was Young Bucks coming out or something like that. I
53:37
can't remember which one it was. So they had a history of we know
53:40
there's an overrun tory been said so past months, an overrun. If you
53:50
if if I was to choose the match, it would be the final match
53:53
based on there being an overrun, it would have to be the Settingham Thing
54:02
and Brian Danielson because you know what I mean, there's there's there's there's no
54:08
other there's no other match on the card that would require an overrun. Now,
54:13
I mean you could have one from the Malachy Black Thing because Adam Adam
54:16
Copeman could come out and they could do the whole thing like that. You
54:22
have the sword too, because yeah, I mean, yeah, that's true.
54:29
I mean that that could be in there. My question though we haven't
54:31
talked about it, but but I've just been bugging me. So you've got
54:36
that. We talked about the tag team match between Orange Cassidy and Osprey versus
54:40
Trent and uh Rodert. But here's my question. If there you know,
54:46
we somebody said something about Don Callis, but when's Don Callus gonna start helping
54:51
Osprey again? He's not, I think, okay, I think they're heading
54:57
into he doesn't want their help. Oh, I guess that. But when's
55:00
that ever stopped? Callous? Yeah, you know what I mean, he's
55:06
done absolutely After the three matches that Osprey had with the three members of the
55:14
family, that was it, he's not been a I mean they were one
55:19
time in the background they talked about the after that match, but other than
55:22
that, there's been nothing. But he's supposed to be Don Kallas's golden boy.
55:28
Yeah, yeah, Like he's the guy that won all those matches,
55:30
so he should be the number one guy in Don Kallis's hard But yes,
55:37
Don Callas, then Don Kallas should be sending his guys after him to beat
55:42
him up, right, yeah, right, it happened, left it,
55:46
Yeah, and it just it just kind of stuck out to me that that's
55:50
not been something that nobody's mentioned it, which is odd to me because I
55:54
mean you would think, you know, we talked about for the longest time,
55:59
how who's going to be this, what they're gonna do with that,
56:00
and then you've got rats Cassley might join, Trumperetta might join. Who's he
56:05
gonna go with there? But nobody says anything about that, And I'm sitting
56:07
there going, what the hell is he up to? Because you know,
56:10
he's got to be up to something? Mm hmm. Yeah. And I
56:15
feel that could play heavily in to Forbidden Door. And Tony Kahn has a
56:21
tendency in these like go home pay per views before the big shows to hint
56:27
at things that come for the next pay per view, So we're Forbidden Door,
56:31
so we could see someone show up or hints at what a possible matches
56:37
for after. Yeah, I know k Kelson's upset about these matches and doesn't
56:45
see the thing for him, what's he gonna say when they start scheduling some
56:49
of these guys in matches on Saturday. I mean, you know, you
56:54
still got two more shows to go before the pay per view. Yeah,
57:00
it'll be interesting. It does make it a tough sell, like that that
57:05
Saturday show before the pay per view. Usually they end up filming it like
57:08
on the Thursday. They don't do it live after or after Dynamite. Yeah,
57:15
yeah, for sure, it'll be interesting. It'll be a good show.
57:21
I just don't know, you know, I get what everything's about,
57:23
but mm hmm, it's just it seems to me that it's really a lot
57:30
of things you've got not You've got eight matches plus three three side things.
57:35
That's a lot to do on a two on a two hour show. Yeah,
57:40
yeah, for sure. I guess one last match we haven't talked about
57:46
Tony storm rim A versus Sri Harley Cameron. I don't see a lot of
57:58
uh excitement here. They've had like kind of a mini storyline with Soriah Harley
58:04
Cameron, Tony storm Mariam. We're getting three Her Harley Cameron matches in a
58:08
bro on Dynamite. I don't know. Maybe we'll see a little bit of
58:15
tension between Tony Stormer and Mariah May heading into the pay per view. Mm
58:23
hmmm. Oh, there's nothing with Seringadeed either, So I don't know.
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That's what's complexing me, is why I don't has she had a match on
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Collision that I've missed or I remember she had a match on Collision, Okay,
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she wrestled. Who did she wrestle? I don't remember. It was
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somebody she'd be not too long ago. I don't. I don't know,
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but they're not treating this Serena Deep. You very good, and I kind
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of feel sorry for Serena Deep in a way because I haven't gotten the publicity
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that uh Brazo or Rosa has, so I don't know what to deal with
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with that. Mm hmm. Yeah. If I just showed you these match
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cards, you'd think you'd think we were getting Tony Storm versus like Sayah on
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the pay per view. It is a little strange. Yeah, m hm.
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Well, you know, it's one of those things that I think it
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would have been better, a better benefit to Deep had they done whatever they're
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going to do to separate Storm from Mariah and got that taken care of before
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they give her a title shot, because deeds being put into a match a
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month after she got put into it for actually no reason. But there's so
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many other things going on around her that she's not being fit into that kind
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of It kind of does make her like almost unimportant. Yeah, yeah,
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for sure, And it's definitely felt that way. It makes it feel like
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they have a zero percent chance that Serena deep wins. Yeah, they're really
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I don't I don't know why they're doing this, but they She deserves so
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much better. I know she'll never be the top woman in a woman's division,
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but she deserves a better treatment in my opinion. Yeah, for sure.
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Like I could definitely see her with the TBS championship at some point.
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I don't see anytime in the near future because it's theoretically going to be with
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Mercedes and then he's gonna will live for probably quite a while. But yeah,
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yeah, yeah, I don't know. I think that's it. Yeah,
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okay, no this entire time. Do what I said. I said,
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if I've been muted this and I've just been talking to talking to talking
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to nobody who's paid attention to me. Never mind, we're just ignoring you
1:01:30
now, So I thought, I think you're anyway your micro anyway, But
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overall, I think this will be a I don't see this being a rip
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A good time for DIALD. This won't be there. This would be a
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very low grade uh dynamite for me. I think I don't know it would
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be in decent dynamite. Sorry, you got decent matches. It's just it's
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just one of those that it is kind of a filler show that you know,
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you really could probably do without it. But like I said, I
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wonder how you're gonna feel, Kelsey when they put some of these guys in
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matches on Collision this weekend. I think Collision has already been taped, so
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it won't bother me. Oh it has, yeah, because they're not stupid
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enough to do that. Yeah, Closure was taped last week. Oh that's
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good. So I'm not sure. Now I may be wrong, but I'm
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pretty sure it's been That makes sense that they've been doing. Yeah, but
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uh, I've already said my myself anyway, what I might have it?
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I don't know. So are we finished talking about dynamite? Yeah? We
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cover everything or everything? Yeah? Okay, great, Well that was a
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great show, guys. Sorry I talked so much. Tomorrow night we will
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cover everybody who gets their arms broken and teeth ripped out, and then we
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will do our dynamite pre dynamite holy cow, I almost said Dynasty. I
1:03:23
did want to say Dynasty, so I said Dynamite instead when I met double
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or Nothing, Double or Nothing Preview and prediction show. So get your score
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cards out ahead of time, and I'm hoping that we have at least a
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you know, one or two more matches revealed tomorrow night for Zero hour or
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even the main show. You never know. I could see thunder rosson Diana
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Pronzo. Somebody mentioned them earlier. Maybe they'll get a zero hour match anyway,
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So we will see you tomorrow night for all we talked, for all
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he talked. Listen to me what I don't use for audition, Hey,
1:04:08
I just Mercedes Mods does ship out of that anyway? For edition and the
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a W Fan podcast team, this is Kelson, Alex whatever, whatever you
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like, Joe Orange, Cassidy, Metro