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Go First: Gabby Reece on Courage, Self-Trust, and Living Without Regret · QUESTION EVERYTHING

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Speaker 1: No one has all the answers, but when we ask
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Speaker 1: the right questions, we get a little closer, closer to truths,
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Speaker 1: closer to each other, even closer to ourselves. I'm journalist
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Speaker 1: Danielle Robe, and each week, my guests and I come
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Speaker 1: together to challenge the status quo and our own ways
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Speaker 1: of thinking by daring to ask what if, why not?
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Speaker 1: And who says? So? Come curious, dig deep, and join
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Speaker 1: the conversation. It's time to question everything. Hello, everybody. We
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Speaker 1: are a few weeks into the new year now, which
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Speaker 1: means that our intentions and our resolutions are kind of
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Speaker 1: being tested by reality. Right. Some of us are charging ahead,
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Speaker 1: and others of us are quietly asking, Okay, how do
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Speaker 1: I put this stuff into practice? How do I a
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Speaker 1: actually live this year differently? And my new year started
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Speaker 1: with strep throat, so I actually haven't put a lot
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Speaker 1: into practice yet. And if you're on sort of the
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Speaker 1: slow train with me, it's all good. Enter today's guest,
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Speaker 1: Gabby Reese. She's a former pro volleyball player, cultural trailblazer,
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Speaker 1: and someone who's built her life on one simple, disarming philosophy.
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Speaker 1: Go first, be the first to speak, the first to smile,
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Speaker 1: the first to step forward when everyone else is waiting
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Speaker 1: for the room to warm up, even be the first
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Speaker 1: to open the door for someone. When I first heard
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Speaker 1: Gabby talk about this, it cracks something open for me
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Speaker 1: because so many of the moments that changed my life
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Speaker 1: didn't really start with confidence. They started with movement, with
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Speaker 1: choosing to act before certainty ever ever showed up. And
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Speaker 1: Gabby's really lived this. Gabby is a fellow Capricorn, She's
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Speaker 1: obviously an Olympian, she's a health officionado, and she actually
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Speaker 1: was Nike's first female signature athlete to design the first
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Speaker 1: women's Nike shoe. She also has such a beautiful relationship
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Speaker 1: with her husband. I love when she talks about him.
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Speaker 1: And Gabby never waited for permission or perfect timing for
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Speaker 1: any of the beautiful things in her life. She just
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Speaker 1: trusted her instincts. There's a line in the episode where
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Speaker 1: she says something that I have not stopped thinking about
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Speaker 1: for over a year.
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Speaker 2: Your life will find you no matter what, and if
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Speaker 2: you just keep following your voice and your instinct, and
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Speaker 2: when the door's open, even if you're scared, if you
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Speaker 2: go through, your life's going to find you.
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Speaker 1: So Rick Rubin is a well known music producer, and
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Speaker 1: he's known for saying that you should not create for
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Speaker 1: an audience. You should create for you, and the audience
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Speaker 1: will come. And honestly, I think I do a bit
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Speaker 1: of both. I always think about if this will benefit
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Speaker 1: your life or not. I never air an episode just
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Speaker 1: solely for me, but oftentimes it seems like we're kind
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Speaker 1: of traveling through different challenges together. And so while I
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Speaker 1: was going to post a different episode this week, I
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Speaker 1: actually pulled an audible last minute because this reair of
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Speaker 1: Gabby Reese is what I needed to hear. I needed
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Speaker 1: to hear that if I keep following what's true and
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Speaker 1: honor my truth and the truth of who I am,
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Speaker 1: that what is meant for me will not miss me,
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Speaker 1: and the same goes for you. So the question we're
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Speaker 1: circling today is actually really simple but huge. Where are
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Speaker 1: we waiting and what might happen if we went first?
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Speaker 1: It's time to question everything with Gabby Reeves. Okay, so Gabby,
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Speaker 1: your daughter told you to stop talking with your TV personality.
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Speaker 2: You know, I did a lot of TV interview athletes,
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Speaker 2: and even within that I was I would say more myself,
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Speaker 2: but I think as a female, as somebody who's my
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Speaker 2: natural personality is maybe direct, I find myself also being like, Okay,
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Speaker 2: the message is more important, So how do we cater
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Speaker 2: to the message. So let's say, for example, if we're
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Speaker 2: trying to encourage people like, hey, take care of yourself
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Speaker 2: or whatever that is, and one of my daughters, my
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Speaker 2: middle we would shoot and she goes, Yet, in this
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Speaker 2: new world, in this new medium, don't talk with that
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Speaker 2: side of yourself. Just say it. And I think I oftentimes,
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Speaker 2: especially because let's say, social media are certain things. There's
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Speaker 2: not a lot of nuance, and I don't like to
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Speaker 2: get caught with my skirt up. I don't want to
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Speaker 2: get into a big hassle, and so one I used
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Speaker 2: it as a way to focus on the message too,
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Speaker 2: was a way to avoid getting into a bunch of
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Speaker 2: hoopla that I don't really want to. I tried to
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Speaker 2: pick my battles, you know. But then the other side
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Speaker 2: of that is sometimes, and I especially, I was talking
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Speaker 2: to a friend of mine who's a high powered businesswoman.
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Speaker 2: She's in her fifties, and she goes, yeah, and I
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Speaker 2: call it the fu fifties.
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Speaker 1: So I do a separate podcast with Hello Sunshine, and
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Speaker 1: we only interview women, and all of the women in
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Speaker 1: their fifties call it the FU fifties.
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Speaker 2: Now it's a thing, and I'm smack in the middle
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Speaker 2: of my fifties. So I think I've been saying f
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Speaker 2: you for a really long time. I just haven't said
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Speaker 2: it here because I sort of feel like everybody has
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Speaker 2: a role and a purpose, and I think it's also
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Speaker 2: knowing who you are and what you're selling, what your
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Speaker 2: message is. And part of my message is really meant
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Speaker 2: to be more positive because that's how I feel, that's
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Speaker 2: what I want to show up for. But within that
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Speaker 2: I could probably be a little harsher and a little
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Speaker 2: more direct, because at this point it's like, Hey, we're
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Speaker 2: running out of time. I'm running out of time, right.
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Speaker 1: Do you feel that way?
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Speaker 2: Well, it's just life, and this is the time in
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Speaker 2: life to try to put all of the lessons to
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Speaker 2: the best of your ability in play. And we live
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Speaker 2: in a world where people, you know, everything needs to
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Speaker 2: be fair, and that's just not how life is, that's
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Speaker 2: not how nature is. And so I think you can
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Speaker 2: be loving and.
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Speaker 1: I'm curious to know what some of those were for
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Speaker 1: you personally.
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Speaker 2: I think it's about designing your life, so your relationships,
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Speaker 2: your career, your physical self in a way that really
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Speaker 2: is true to you, in the way that you can sustain.
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Speaker 2: So if that's the kind of overarching umbrella goal, then
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Speaker 2: I always say, how do you back everything you do
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Speaker 2: into that to reflect that back so that in ten
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Speaker 2: years I also will be at a place that hopefully
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Speaker 2: I designed that I want instead of life pulled me around,
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Speaker 2: because it does work. Pulls you around, kids pull you
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Speaker 2: around if you're in a partnership, and then you arrive
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Speaker 2: at a place and you go, wait a second, this
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Speaker 2: isn't what I wanted for myself. And so I think
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Speaker 2: for younger women, if I could teach a college course,
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Speaker 2: especially like businesswomen, is however you want to do it
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Speaker 2: is the right way, but make sure it reflects who
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Speaker 2: you are, what you really think you want, because I
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Speaker 2: think a lot of us think I want to kick
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Speaker 2: ass and take up space and make my own money
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Speaker 2: and do all these things. But oh wait a second,
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Speaker 2: I might also maybe like to have a family, And
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Speaker 2: so really to get these twenty somethings to go as
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Speaker 2: you're structuring and navigating these courses, how is that all
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Speaker 2: playing into this bigger picture. It is very hard to do,
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Speaker 2: especially harder as the female, because when I'm at work,
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Speaker 2: I'm always still going to be thinking about my kids.
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Speaker 2: I tell my girls as a parent what I'm gunning for,
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Speaker 2: because it is really the number one job that you
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Speaker 2: kind of have one shot at. What are the things
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Speaker 2: I'm okay apologizing for pretty much for them, because whether
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Speaker 2: we'll go over it or not. I think something I
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Speaker 2: learned from my mother, who was young when she had
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Speaker 2: me and wasn't always around. I learned from her you
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Speaker 2: can always apologize, you can always make changes, but ultimately
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Speaker 2: try to craft your life in a way that you're
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Speaker 2: not going to have to not only apologize or something
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Speaker 2: you don't mind, but that you don't get the time back.
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Speaker 1: I've never thought about being pulled around in the way
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Speaker 1: you said, but I feel that, and so I'm glad
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Speaker 1: I heard that today.
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Speaker 2: And I know we do live in a time and
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Speaker 2: whether people like it or not, typically there's always exceptions.
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Speaker 2: Men and women are different. If we're going to work, right,
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Speaker 2: that's the masculine energy, let's call it that, and we
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Speaker 2: can't expect their experience to be the same. So how
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Speaker 2: do we if we want to play in that masculine space,
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Speaker 2: what does that look like for us?
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Speaker 1: Okay, so before we come back to present day, I
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Speaker 1: need to backtrack to twelve year old Gabby. You were
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Speaker 1: six feet tall at twelve years old?
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Speaker 2: Yes, I was six feet tall. I was down growing
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Speaker 2: at fifteen at six'.
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Speaker 1: Three you know what they line you up for graduation
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Speaker 1: at like tallest to. SHORTEST i was always the shortest
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Speaker 1: person in the. GLASS i cannot imagine what it was
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Speaker 1: like to be six feet tall at twelve years. Old
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Speaker 1: how did it develop or impact who you Bec.
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Speaker 2: I'm actually really, grateful AND i want to remind people
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Speaker 2: that anything that is one of our burdens that we
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Speaker 2: perceive as a, burden is one of our. Gifts it's
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Speaker 2: there to teach us whatever the lessons. ARE i grew
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Speaker 2: up in The, Caribbean SO i was in The. CARIBBEAN
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Speaker 2: i lived on an, island AND i looked physically. Different
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Speaker 2: but WHAT i learned right then was you're never going
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Speaker 2: to fit. In and there is a really practical side
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Speaker 2: of my. Personality so it was, like, Okay i'm not
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Speaker 2: going to bother and that really has played out throughout
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Speaker 2: my life where it's going back to that thing we're
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Speaker 2: talking about is playing by the rules in the game
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Speaker 2: you're playing that reflects, you AND i think when you
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Speaker 2: stop trying to fit, in what it asked you is,
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Speaker 2: Okay well then who AM? I i THINK i asked
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Speaker 2: that question a lot earlier in life because of being physically.
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Speaker 1: Different do you remember the first time you felt really
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Speaker 1: connected to? VOLLEYBALL i think it was more in.
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Speaker 2: COLLEGE i had a really good college, coach AND i
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Speaker 2: really learned how to play the game. GAME i was
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Speaker 2: late to the, game but, ultimately what volleyball gave me was, structure,
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Speaker 2: framework hard, work and, discipline WHICH i naturally. Have but
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Speaker 2: what it did it gave me this place to really
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Speaker 2: develop that and to sort of learn to earn something
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Speaker 2: that if you're not good enough you won't get to.
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Speaker 2: Play that you may come and play in a day
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Speaker 2: and play your, best and that may not be good
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Speaker 2: enough to. Win some of the might beat.
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Speaker 1: You it's a hard, lesson it.
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Speaker 2: Is it's a great. Lesson it gave me a, family
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Speaker 2: it gave me something to be a part, of and
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Speaker 2: it gave me a, place especially WHEN i was, younger
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Speaker 2: that OH i fit because all the other girls kind
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Speaker 2: of look like. THAT i am not unusual in the volleyball.
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Speaker 2: World and so that's HOW i connected really to.
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Speaker 1: Volleyball if you had to put a percentage on, it
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Speaker 1: how much is natural talent versus hard?
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Speaker 2: Work natural talent is when you're, young, right you get
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Speaker 2: on a, team you, play and then all of a
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Speaker 2: sudden you're talented enough to get through the next. Level
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Speaker 2: when you then get into the college level talent it still,
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Speaker 2: counts but then you see all the people who have work,
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Speaker 2: ethic they start to come on. Up and if you're
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Speaker 2: in a big, college and then if you play in the,
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Speaker 2: pros everyone is somewhat. Talented so it's really your ability
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Speaker 2: to deal with pressure and your ability to take information
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Speaker 2: in and translate it to, action and that is, CONNECTED
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Speaker 2: i think to work in.
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Speaker 1: Practice when you were, playing it didn't seem like there
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Speaker 1: were as many books about sports psychology and people talking
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Speaker 1: about the mental aspect of. It did you have any
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Speaker 1: tools that you came up with that helped you deal
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Speaker 1: with all the pressure because you were in pretty high stakes.
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Speaker 1: ENVIRONMENTS i needed to earn.
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Speaker 2: IT i was a person who, thought, well If i'm
11:44
Speaker 2: going to deserve, This i'm going to have to work really.
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Speaker 2: Hard SO i leaned on work as a way to manage.
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Speaker 2: That my college, coach who's still my very dear, friend
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Speaker 2: i'ven't played for her since nineteen ninety. One, okay she'd
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Speaker 2: say to, Us, OKAY i kicked your butt all. Week
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Speaker 2: Now i'd go out and kick their. Butt BUT i
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Speaker 2: WISH i had learned, Sooner, like for, example it's okay
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Speaker 2: to want to. WIN i can still be a nice
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Speaker 2: and good person and want to shut you. Down and
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Speaker 2: that was SOMETHING i THINK i battled with for a
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Speaker 2: really long, time LIKE i want to win Because i've
12:16
Speaker 2: been working so, hard but LIKE i don't really want
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Speaker 2: to hurt too many people's. Feelings and what you learn
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Speaker 2: is in, work it's a competitive. Environment you can still be,
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Speaker 2: ethical you don't have to step on people's. Heads but
12:28
Speaker 2: it's okay to SAY i would like to do, That
12:31
Speaker 2: i'd like to go, There i'd like to take ownership
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Speaker 2: of that. Space and it is impersonal and so REALLY
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Speaker 2: i think that was so, helpful was developing. That BUT
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Speaker 2: i needed that hard work to give myself the. Permission
12:44
Speaker 2: that is.
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Speaker 1: Something because there's that statistic that people talk about over
12:47
Speaker 1: the last two years THAT i think like ninety four
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Speaker 1: percent Of fortune five hundred female CEOs played. SPORTS i
12:54
Speaker 1: think that's the.
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Speaker 2: Thing and it's learning how to lose and putting together
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Speaker 2: a strategy on learning from that and then moving, forward
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Speaker 2: and also learning to take constructive, criticism because coaches are
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Speaker 2: ultimately criticizing your weaknesses and kind of exploiting them and
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Speaker 2: getting you to work on, them and also reminding you
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Speaker 2: of your, strengths which is good, too and learning. TOO
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Speaker 2: i think something really important is the value of. Cooperation
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Speaker 2: if you AND i work, together chances are we're actually
13:23
Speaker 2: going to be, better so not being threatened by other people's,
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Speaker 2: power strengths and. Skills and then the other side of
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Speaker 2: that is understanding that when someone is, saying, hey that's
13:33
Speaker 2: not good enough or that's not, right that doesn't mean
13:36
Speaker 2: you're not. Good that doesn't mean you still can't be,
13:39
Speaker 2: successful but it also means, hey don't be afraid of those.
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Speaker 2: Things keep working on those things because that powers everything
13:45
Speaker 2: instead of, like well that hurt my feelings or what
13:48
Speaker 2: does that? Mean? NOW i will say, this it's also
13:51
Speaker 2: having the right people criticizing, you the right mentor if
13:55
Speaker 2: you're in a work, environment the right coach if you're
13:58
Speaker 2: an athletic, environment so it isn't about taking input from
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Speaker 2: every idiot around. You so that's really important. Too and
14:03
Speaker 2: that taught me, that, like, hey, yeah that's. GOOD i
14:06
Speaker 2: appreciate your, opinion but guess, WHAT i don't Think i'm
14:08
Speaker 2: actually going to take criticism or opinions from this particular.
14:13
Speaker 2: Person were you a trash?
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Speaker 1: Talker not at?
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Speaker 2: All, None, no because that always bites you in the.
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Speaker 2: ASS i, mean certain people they feed on that fuel
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Speaker 2: and they can get into. COMBAT i was pretty stoic
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Speaker 2: AND i kept most of the energy on my side
14:27
Speaker 2: of the. Court of, course there was occasions certain, girls
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Speaker 2: certain players were you, know you just got on each other's,
14:32
Speaker 2: nerves and so of course if there was a play
14:34
Speaker 2: that went in your favorite in that, moment you might
14:36
Speaker 2: kind of be, like say, yay but then look right
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Speaker 2: at them kind of. THING i love that.
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Speaker 1: So much because WHEN i was watching your old, tape
14:44
Speaker 1: you did keep the energy on your side of the.
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Speaker 1: Court but when you went for, it watch, Out.
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Speaker 2: Well everybody's going for. It they're all a bunch of,
14:51
Speaker 2: beests these. Girls so, listen that's part of the. Job you,
14:55
Speaker 2: Know this is WHAT i, say because a lot of
14:56
Speaker 2: times people will, say, oh you're seems so grounded and.
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Speaker 2: HUMBLE i certainly am. GROUNDED i don't think i'm. Humble
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Speaker 2: WHAT i think IS i kind of know the law of,
15:07
Speaker 2: life and So i'm not. HUMBLE i just don't need
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Speaker 2: to learn those lessons. AGAIN i don't need to be
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Speaker 2: slapped back into. Place and in, Fact i'm trying to
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Speaker 2: live my life in a way to pick up the cues.
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Speaker 2: Early oh you know, what course, correct adjust so THAT
15:22
Speaker 2: i don't have to get really knocked on my butt to,
15:25
Speaker 2: go oh. Okay so it's not That i'm. HUMBLE i
15:28
Speaker 2: have a sense of how it. Works you're. Realistic, yeah
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Speaker 2: and when you get high and, MIGHTY i think you know,
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Speaker 2: life the, Universe god is, like, HUH i got something for.
15:38
Speaker 2: You and there's a part of me that's pretty self,
15:40
Speaker 2: protective and So i'm always looking to learn the lessons
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Speaker 2: As i'm.
15:44
Speaker 1: Going did you ever Watch The office a little?
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Speaker 2: Bit?
15:47
Speaker 1: Yeah of COURSE i didn't watch all of, it but
15:49
Speaker 1: there's this one episode THAT i think about a lot
15:51
Speaker 1: because At helm SAYS i wish there was a way
15:54
Speaker 1: to know you're in the good old, days AND i
15:57
Speaker 1: think oftentimes we miss the middle of the. Day we don't,
16:02
Speaker 1: know because we don't know what life throws at. Us
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Speaker 1: when you think about those peak volleyball, days do you miss?
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Speaker 2: Them, yeah of, COURSE i MEAN i miss. COMPETING i miss,
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Speaker 2: playing you, know, sweaty, dirty yelling like, hard it, sucks it's.
16:16
Speaker 2: Awesome this is a type of frequency that you're going
16:20
Speaker 2: to be at only in those. Environments it's what's, expected
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Speaker 2: it's like how it's supposed to. Be SO i missed
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Speaker 2: that part AND i miss like this apex of learning
16:29
Speaker 2: and practicing and executing that feels so. Good and you
16:33
Speaker 2: can find that in other ways in your, life but
16:35
Speaker 2: there's nothing kind of like. Sport it's so specific.
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Speaker 1: Because even if you're doing it in, business you're not.
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Speaker 2: Sweating there's a pureeness of sport where you, know with
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Speaker 2: the exception of like, love you don't have. That you're
16:48
Speaker 2: not going to have that in business because in business
16:50
Speaker 2: you're going to be treated, unfairly you're going to get
16:52
Speaker 2: weird benefits that you didn't maybe. Earn and it's, timing it's,
16:56
Speaker 2: markets it's your executive like it's a million Very and
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Speaker 2: in sport it's so stripped down and so. Simple that
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Speaker 2: PART i really.
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Speaker 1: Loved your eyes lit up talking about.
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Speaker 2: It, well, yeah because it's sort of like, going, okay
17:09
Speaker 2: HERE i. Am there's a nakedness to that WHICH i
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Speaker 2: think empowers, us because you, Go i'm willing to be
17:17
Speaker 2: vulnerable and risk.
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Speaker 1: Losing was there a period of time or a moment
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Speaker 1: that you remember when you doubted? Yourself?
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Speaker 2: Oh. Constantly anyone that says they don't live and walk with,
17:29
Speaker 2: doubt they're either in. Denial i've learned to use doubt
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Speaker 2: as fuel and go, ooh why AM i scared of?
17:37
Speaker 2: That or why does that make me? Uncomfortable or why
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Speaker 2: AM i doubting? Myself is that an old? Narrative is
17:42
Speaker 2: that a childhood? NARRATIVE i use doubt as a companion
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Speaker 2: to assess myself as a.
17:48
Speaker 1: Teacher if you can take me back to a time
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Speaker 1: that you felt, it even if it's, recent like business.
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Speaker 2: Or in, parenting it's. Constant AM i too easy going
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Speaker 2: on my? Kids SHOULD i have four them to do certain?
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Speaker 2: Things that's one THING i. Joke i'm, like, well Either
18:03
Speaker 2: i'm a genius Or i'm an idiot on this. One we'll.
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Speaker 2: See and even in my own, career my youngest kid
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Speaker 2: is a senior in high, school and so Now i'm
18:10
Speaker 2: sort of regathering all of my energy and, saying, Okay
18:14
Speaker 2: i'm ready to go. Again so in my TWENTIES i
18:17
Speaker 2: really was self. Focused it was about my, career my.
18:20
Speaker 2: SPORTS i met my husband in my mid, twenties which
18:22
Speaker 2: is sort of. Interesting and then all of a, sudden
18:25
Speaker 2: the energy starts to you, know it leaks into other
18:27
Speaker 2: places because that's what you want. Too and Now i'm
18:30
Speaker 2: in a place Where i'm sort of recoiling my, energy
18:32
Speaker 2: and so the doubt comes in, In AM i too?
18:36
Speaker 2: Old AM i too? IRRELEVANT i, mean this is just
18:39
Speaker 2: being really frank about it is the way THAT i do,
18:42
Speaker 2: it or my message or the way my brain's hardwired
18:45
Speaker 2: out a date and then you, go, okay Well i'll
18:47
Speaker 2: move forward And i'll trust, myself But i'll also pay
18:50
Speaker 2: attention and see what THINGS i could incorporate that are
18:54
Speaker 2: still genuine to.
18:55
Speaker 1: Me you're like a life, Anthropologist like you're just like,
19:00
Speaker 1: collecting collecting and then figuring out what fits for you
19:03
Speaker 1: and throwing the rest.
19:04
Speaker 2: Away, yeah and honoring the Ones i'm going to throw.
19:07
Speaker 2: OUT i have a. Sense but that's the other thing
19:09
Speaker 2: to be careful. Of is not getting so locked into,
19:12
Speaker 2: well this is WHO i, am because then we miss
19:15
Speaker 2: the opportunity for changing. Growth so it's kind of using,
19:18
Speaker 2: both but it's really SAYING i really admire that about that,
19:22
Speaker 2: person But i'm not, them AND i don't do it that.
19:24
Speaker 2: Way and sport teaches you that because you kind of
19:27
Speaker 2: have a job and you, Go, god she does, that so,
19:29
Speaker 2: WELL i don't do. That it's. Both it's collecting and,
19:32
Speaker 2: leaving but it's still listening to the internal instincts and.
19:37
Speaker 1: Whisper in your first, book you wrote everything a woman
19:52
Speaker 1: does has an emotional. Component paying attention to my emotional
19:55
Speaker 1: side without surrendering to it is one of the toughest
19:58
Speaker 1: parts of playing professional. Sports i'm curious how your relationship
20:02
Speaker 1: to your emotional side has changed since you wrote that
20:04
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety. Seven are you more emotional now or
20:07
Speaker 1: less or just in tune with it?
20:09
Speaker 2: Differently, well, okay, first let me preface by Saying i'm
20:12
Speaker 2: probably not the most emotional person there. Is i'm very, analytical,
20:17
Speaker 2: Right i'm not afraid to show my. Emotion it's just
20:20
Speaker 2: not my actual natural.
20:23
Speaker 1: Process like if you watch, movies if you watch you,
20:25
Speaker 1: know step, Mom, yeah that movie kills. Me are you?
20:29
Speaker 1: Crying and? STEPMOMS i mean, like IF.
20:30
Speaker 2: I have my, Period i'm, RIGHT i don't know, see
20:33
Speaker 2: or If i'm in an Airplane i'll cry all the. Time.
20:35
Speaker 2: RIGHT i think it's because you're in fight or, flight
20:37
Speaker 2: and so you're, like oh my, god the dog's still
20:39
Speaker 2: at the train, station you, know waiting for the owner
20:41
Speaker 2: who's never. Coming you. Know. YEAH i think the most
20:45
Speaker 2: important way that it's shown up for me in these
20:47
Speaker 2: years since then is in, business if you're in the,
20:52
Speaker 2: role because these are just roles right where you are
20:56
Speaker 2: having to be the boss and say it, straight get
20:58
Speaker 2: rid of somebody to make a. CHANGE i have really
21:02
Speaker 2: learned to not have to be aggravated to do, that
21:05
Speaker 2: because Before i'd be, like, WELL i don't want to
21:06
Speaker 2: hurt anyone's. FEELINGS i don't want to make, changes and
21:09
Speaker 2: now it's, like, hey, listen something has to. HAPPEN i
21:13
Speaker 2: can be, RESPECTFUL i can try to be, loving but
21:16
Speaker 2: you still have to be direct and you're probably going
21:18
Speaker 2: to say something that someone's not going to. Like and
21:22
Speaker 2: so in That i've gotten way better at being okay
21:26
Speaker 2: with somebody not liking Something i'm going to.
21:28
Speaker 1: Say how DO i shed? THAT i feel like that's
21:30
Speaker 1: my final. Frontier AND i hear it from so many
21:33
Speaker 1: people that sit in this. Chair it's a big. Frontier
21:36
Speaker 1: did you shed it or was it? Gradual it's been.
21:39
Speaker 2: Gradual it's been gradual in a lot of, practice, practice
21:42
Speaker 2: in my relationship, practice in my business, life practice with my.
21:46
Speaker 2: Kids so it's the practice OF i need to say.
21:49
Speaker 2: This so WHAT i do IS i check first, inside
21:53
Speaker 2: AM i? Scared because Then i'm gonna me. Personally i'm
21:57
Speaker 2: going to come out and be kind of aggressive because
21:59
Speaker 2: that's WHAT i. DO i lean into things WHEN i get,
22:02
Speaker 2: scared BUT i use force and. Aggression it's, like, okay
22:06
Speaker 2: we'll calm down with. That so if you're, mad you usually.
22:09
Speaker 2: Scared if you're feeling, aggressive usually. Scared so it's going
22:13
Speaker 2: no the change this tests to. Happen WHAT i try
22:15
Speaker 2: to do now is just, say are you coming from
22:18
Speaker 2: a loving place that's pretty still and clear about what
22:23
Speaker 2: all the goals? Are and then be okay with. That
22:26
Speaker 2: and you know WHAT i say to people is don't
22:28
Speaker 2: apologize if you don't answer your email in the first thirty,
22:31
Speaker 2: seconds and don't end a conversation with if that's, okay
22:36
Speaker 2: because it may not be and that's not what we're talking.
22:39
Speaker 2: About if you're okay, now if it's an interpersonal, RELATIONSHIP
22:43
Speaker 2: i might be, like, hey, Listen but if we're, talking
22:46
Speaker 2: especially in the work, environment it's being, like this is
22:50
Speaker 2: just part of the. Deal.
22:52
Speaker 1: Okay in this, VEIN i need YOUR pov on. Something.
22:55
Speaker 1: OKAY i come from The Gabby reese kind of hard
22:59
Speaker 1: knock school of, thought like if you want, something you
23:01
Speaker 1: push Through Simone biles in The. Olympics i'm going to
23:04
Speaker 1: say something that's not going to be. Popular my first instinct,
23:08
Speaker 1: was you're at The, olympics figure it. Out now is
23:12
Speaker 1: not the, time like mind over. Matter ONCE i understood
23:15
Speaker 1: what the twisties, WERE i understood that it was. DANGEROUS
23:19
Speaker 1: i get. It and we don't have to pick her,
23:20
Speaker 1: Specifically but the conversation of mental health in, sport where
23:24
Speaker 1: do you. Stand are you hard knocks school all the
23:27
Speaker 1: way or is there a middle?
23:29
Speaker 2: Ground, well let's talk about The Simone biles thing for a,
23:31
Speaker 2: second because what you don't maybe realize, Subconsciously i'm going
23:34
Speaker 2: to take a stab at, it maybe BECAUSE i had
23:36
Speaker 2: my own experience about. It Naomi osaka had just come
23:40
Speaker 2: up prior to, that, right and she. Withdrew, now if
23:43
Speaker 2: you get hit with a tennis, ball it's like, volleyball
23:45
Speaker 2: it's like you're going to be. Okay so in that
23:48
Speaker 2: CASE i might be, like, hey, listen you're a. Professional
23:50
Speaker 2: you paid tens of millions of. Dollars so if you're
23:53
Speaker 2: going to give all the money back to Your japanese
23:55
Speaker 2: sponsors and say, Hey i'm taking a, Break i'd be, like, okay.
23:58
Speaker 2: Cool but for, me it's, like you can't have the
24:00
Speaker 2: one and not do the. Other, now in The Simone biles,
24:03
Speaker 2: case because it's, dangerous that had a nuance that unless
24:08
Speaker 2: you're in that situation where it's life and, death like
24:13
Speaker 2: you break your, neck my husband does a sport that's very,
24:15
Speaker 2: dangerous that might be a little, different and it might
24:18
Speaker 2: be interesting that she was able to do that. Then
24:22
Speaker 2: but it was strange because she'd already been a, winner
24:25
Speaker 2: and it was, like, well you knew what you were
24:27
Speaker 2: competing for and signing up, for but maybe this was
24:30
Speaker 2: an unexpected. Variable in, general work is, hard sports is.
24:36
Speaker 2: HARD i think you have to expect. That so MAYBE
24:40
Speaker 2: i appreciate the conversation and parts of it are an.
24:43
Speaker 1: OVERCORRECTION i Think i'm in line with. YOU i also
24:47
Speaker 1: think it's interesting that oftentimes women are the ones that
24:50
Speaker 1: open things up to a larger, conversation but we've only
24:54
Speaker 1: really heard about it with women in. Sport we haven't
24:57
Speaker 1: really heard about men talking about mental health and.
24:59
Speaker 2: Sport and it definitely, exists, absolutely and by the, way
25:02
Speaker 2: there's far more men playing. Sports the expectation is completely.
25:07
Speaker 2: Different but this is WHERE i also think biology comes into.
25:09
Speaker 2: Play you, know even women training so a lot of
25:12
Speaker 2: times those female, athletes they train in certain, ways almost
25:15
Speaker 2: harder than male. Athletes AND i always likened it, to,
25:19
Speaker 2: hey If i'm going from me sitting here with you,
25:23
Speaker 2: TOO i have to go. Compete the jump for me
25:26
Speaker 2: sometimes is a much bigger chasm than a guy, going,
25:30
Speaker 2: hey Cool, burrow what's up and then like now we're
25:33
Speaker 2: going to go and award each. Other they can go like.
25:35
Speaker 2: That that's WHY i always, say if you see female
25:37
Speaker 2: athletes that have a lot of, brothers they make the
25:39
Speaker 2: transition really. Quickly SO i think we're just talking about
25:46
Speaker 2: different types of, people different, hormones, testosterone, right, like all
25:52
Speaker 2: these things that come into. It where that's, why for,
25:56
Speaker 2: Example we've just had all these fires IN la the
25:58
Speaker 2: firemen go into the burning building or do the thing without,
26:01
Speaker 2: questioning and a lot of, THAT i think is a
26:04
Speaker 2: physiological and biological thing that everybody wants to. Ignore and
26:08
Speaker 2: my husband has a joke that women are far more
26:11
Speaker 2: valuable than, men right think about it in a certain,
26:15
Speaker 2: way just for. Survival and so he's, like you can't
26:19
Speaker 2: afford just to huck. Yourself he's like, us we can
26:22
Speaker 2: go in there and do it, right and it's a beautiful.
26:26
Speaker 2: Thing but it shows up also in. Sport why in
26:29
Speaker 2: certain way guys are, like, yeah we just go AND
26:33
Speaker 2: i think it's so great because it. Is it's just
26:35
Speaker 2: a little more.
26:35
Speaker 1: COMPLEX i wrote this down BECAUSE i Know i'm not
26:38
Speaker 1: going to say it. Right so for, years women's beach
26:41
Speaker 1: volleyball players were required to wear, bikinis but men were
26:45
Speaker 1: wearing shorts AND t.
26:47
Speaker 2: Shirts, well, yeah because a lot of times they have their,
26:49
Speaker 2: number like we had it on our, tops so they
26:52
Speaker 2: would have their one or, two so you knew which
26:54
Speaker 2: country and which number player they. WERE i think that
26:58
Speaker 2: rule has since. Changed brazil just won the and one
27:00
Speaker 2: of the players was in.
27:01
Speaker 1: Shorts so as of twenty twelve In, london women are
27:05
Speaker 1: allowed to wear shorts and a tank. Top the shorts
27:08
Speaker 1: are still pretty short that they have to.
27:10
Speaker 2: Wear, actually the girl From brazil had longer. Shorts, really
27:14
Speaker 2: let me be really overly realistic about. This, Yes so
27:18
Speaker 2: the group probably a bunch of guys selling beach volleyball
27:21
Speaker 2: trying to get into The. Olympics they looked at all
27:24
Speaker 2: the things that were attractive about the sport and they, went,
27:27
Speaker 2: oh pretty, ladies and so they, Went we're going to
27:30
Speaker 2: pull that. Lever it's a low hanging, fruit is it?
27:32
Speaker 2: Right probably, not but That's i'm sure what the thinking.
27:37
Speaker 1: Was, WELL i was thinking, too LIKE i always asked the,
27:39
Speaker 1: why And i'm, like, well it probably helped grow the
27:41
Speaker 1: sports it, did.
27:42
Speaker 2: And everyone can. Go women should just be able to,
27:45
Speaker 2: perform of course they.
27:46
Speaker 1: Should were you ever annoyed about?
27:48
Speaker 2: It, well, see WHEN i, played you, know, INTERNATIONALLY i
27:51
Speaker 2: wore the bathing. SUIT i was just more. UNCOMFORTABLE i
27:54
Speaker 2: always WHEN i played in THE us were running tights
27:57
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i liked the idea of not having to think
27:59
Speaker 2: about it and pull my baby's out of my butt
28:01
Speaker 2: and do all that. Stuff BUT i, thought, okay well
28:04
Speaker 2: this is what we're, doing AND i wasn't spending a
28:07
Speaker 2: whole lot of time getting upset about it because the
28:10
Speaker 2: sport is so small and so, vulnerable it's so hard
28:14
Speaker 2: to make a living at. THAT i, Thought, Okay i'm
28:17
Speaker 2: going to participate in being part of. Something and once
28:20
Speaker 2: you watch, it you're not Sitting they're, GOING, whoa she's.
28:22
Speaker 2: Hot of course you're recognizing this is a world class
28:25
Speaker 2: athlete who's, training AND i think that ends up transcending
28:29
Speaker 2: that she's in a. Bikini like AM i supposed to
28:31
Speaker 2: control how every, viewer what they, react think and, feel
28:35
Speaker 2: and what they hold up is. Important. No having said, that,
28:39
Speaker 2: Though i'm happy that it's, like, hey where what you're comfortable? Wearing?
28:43
Speaker 1: Competing you've had such a close relationship with your body
28:47
Speaker 1: from such a young age because of your. Athletics what's
28:50
Speaker 1: your relationship with your body like?
28:52
Speaker 2: NOW i have a really peaceful relationship with my. BODY
28:55
Speaker 2: i wish my knees worked, better BUT i do the
28:57
Speaker 2: THINGS i can do to control having a positive relationship
29:02
Speaker 2: with my, body and THEN i just let the chips
29:04
Speaker 2: fall where they Are BECAUSE i am getting, older that's
29:08
Speaker 2: part of. Life BUT i eat, WELL i go to
29:10
Speaker 2: BED i don't. DRINK i train very. Hard the work
29:13
Speaker 2: enables me to have a freedom and also a level of.
29:18
Speaker 2: ACCEPTANCE i think when we grind it, out it's because
29:21
Speaker 2: we know we're not doing all we can. Do and
29:23
Speaker 2: by the, WAY i could still do. MORE i could
29:25
Speaker 2: still do.
29:25
Speaker 1: Better SO i love watching videos of you And. Laird
29:29
Speaker 1: you guys seem like you have a lot of fun,
29:31
Speaker 1: together AND i know that you're both competitive. People does
29:35
Speaker 1: the competition push you to do? Better you're shaking your.
29:39
Speaker 1: Head don't compete with your, Partner but, like do you
29:42
Speaker 1: guys compete physically at?
29:43
Speaker 2: ALL i can't compete With. LARD i could try to
29:45
Speaker 2: out Smart laird here and.
29:46
Speaker 1: There, No but, Okay i'll give you an. Example my
29:48
Speaker 1: mom is a big workout girl and she's in her,
29:52
Speaker 1: sixties and WHEN i go home and i'm with, Her
29:55
Speaker 1: i'm really inspired to work out Because i'm, LIKE i
29:58
Speaker 1: can't believe she's doing. More push, me, LIKE i want
30:01
Speaker 1: the best for. Her but we're in. Competition, no she's.
30:04
Speaker 1: Inspired you do you inspire each?
30:06
Speaker 2: Other, Yeah laird really inspires. Me he really, does because
30:11
Speaker 2: he's walking his own path in the truest. Way and
30:14
Speaker 2: even when he's in discomfort or, Whatever he's showing up
30:19
Speaker 2: in all the, facets and SO i utilize him as
30:22
Speaker 2: a great source of inspiration and. Fun and ALSO i
30:26
Speaker 2: always SAY i tuck in a lot Behind. LAIRD i
30:28
Speaker 2: draft Off laird's energy Because i'm very disciplined AND i can.
30:33
Speaker 2: Go but he's actually even at a higher. Level and
30:36
Speaker 2: so Sometimes i'm, like, oh who wants to deal with?
30:38
Speaker 2: THIS i just took him behind, him AND i draft
30:41
Speaker 2: off him on the days THAT i don't have. It
30:44
Speaker 2: that's WHAT i would encourage people is be that for
30:47
Speaker 2: everyone in your, life but also be surrounded by people
30:50
Speaker 2: who are that for. You because if you want to ask,
30:54
Speaker 2: me one of the biggest you, know the most powerful
30:57
Speaker 2: levers and tools that we, have it's each other.
31:00
Speaker 1: That's really beautiful and.
31:01
Speaker 2: Powerful, well that's being on a team when you can
31:04
Speaker 2: be better with someone, else when one in one can equal.
31:07
Speaker 2: Three and you know that when you feel that harmony
31:10
Speaker 2: and those energies coming together and, amplifying and you can
31:12
Speaker 2: have that in a. Friendship you know this with your best.
31:15
Speaker 2: GIRLFRIENDS i can even have this in moments with my,
31:18
Speaker 2: children even Though i'm not looking for them to inspire.
31:21
Speaker 2: Me BUT i can look at them and think she's
31:24
Speaker 2: trying to do it in her. Life that's pretty. Great
31:27
Speaker 2: so it's be. That but that's really more the. Goal
31:31
Speaker 2: right When i'm going through my, Life i'm trying to be,
31:34
Speaker 2: That like if you come across me at the grocery
31:36
Speaker 2: store AND i, say, hey good. Morning my goal is
31:39
Speaker 2: just to leave a place a little better than you
31:42
Speaker 2: know WHEN i first got, there AND i find, that
31:46
Speaker 2: then you attract those types of.
31:48
Speaker 1: People well in that vein we met because of your
31:52
Speaker 1: going first. PHILOSOPHY i read it In Tim ferriss's book
31:55
Speaker 1: and it really changed my. Life, Gabby where did the
31:58
Speaker 1: philosophy come?
31:59
Speaker 2: From from being? Tall people hear me say go, first
32:02
Speaker 2: and you'd think like it would be like cut someone
32:05
Speaker 2: off on the, road get on the front of the,
32:06
Speaker 2: line and go. First was developed from also reading lots
32:11
Speaker 2: of things About i've said this quote a lot of.
32:14
Speaker 2: Times In Natural Born, heroes there's a book it says
32:18
Speaker 2: to be a true, warrior one must be. Compassionate and
32:22
Speaker 2: my whole thing is truly to be as sort of
32:26
Speaker 2: strong and badass AS i can. Be and WHAT i
32:29
Speaker 2: know that means is that THEN i have to be
32:34
Speaker 2: a great supporter EVERYWHERE i am in, life and that
32:38
Speaker 2: could mean opening the door for, somebody saying hello first to.
32:42
Speaker 2: Somebody so being six to three and a, female there's
32:45
Speaker 2: an interesting PERMISSION i have to go into everybody's space
32:49
Speaker 2: Because i'm a. Woman IF i was a six or three,
32:52
Speaker 2: GUY i might be able to do it with other,
32:54
Speaker 2: guys maybe not to. Women as a, Woman i'm allowed
32:57
Speaker 2: to freely enter everyone's. Space so why WOULD i not
33:01
Speaker 2: take advantage of my size and say, hey how are you?
33:05
Speaker 2: Today and give people permission to be, open to be,
33:11
Speaker 2: friendly to acknowledge each other because maybe they see me
33:14
Speaker 2: and Think i'm not going to talk to. Her and
33:17
Speaker 2: SO i learned that really. Early it first was a
33:19
Speaker 2: tool to try to diffuse people and make them feel
33:22
Speaker 2: comfortable and connect with, them and then you just, realize,
33:26
Speaker 2: oh it's just a better way to.
33:27
Speaker 1: LIVE i love that you named.
33:30
Speaker 2: IT i didn't mean. To WHEN i can tell, You
33:33
Speaker 2: tim was at my. HOUSE i was With lard and
33:35
Speaker 2: my Friend brian, McKenzie and we were all sitting there
33:37
Speaker 2: talking and when he asked the, QUESTION i thought about. It,
33:40
Speaker 2: honestly what was the question that he?
33:42
Speaker 1: Asked?
33:42
Speaker 2: You? Remember, like if you had, one you, know, advice
33:46
Speaker 2: AND i really thought about it AND i was, like you,
33:48
Speaker 2: know that doesn't seem like a bad place to.
33:51
Speaker 1: START i feel like it should catch wind on the,
33:54
Speaker 1: internet LIKE i want people to make videos going. FIRST
33:57
Speaker 1: i think it's contagious because you, know like if you're
34:00
Speaker 1: in a. ROOM i don't know if you've felt, this
34:02
Speaker 1: but especially IN, la people don't really talk as much
34:05
Speaker 1: to each. Other they're standing alone having a drink or
34:09
Speaker 1: on their, phone and if somebody takes the initiative to go,
34:13
Speaker 1: first it breaks the ice for. Everybody it's a domino.
34:16
Speaker 1: Effect it's so. Contagious it's very.
34:18
Speaker 2: Easy to, do as hard as it. IS i have
34:21
Speaker 2: a joke Now i've elaborated from go first. TOO i
34:24
Speaker 2: bully everyone around me to be polite to. ME i
34:27
Speaker 2: have no, problem and, WEIRDLY i even do weird. STUFF
34:29
Speaker 2: i gently will put my hand on someone's, arm and
34:32
Speaker 2: if there's really like a, Thing i'll even gently put
34:34
Speaker 2: it on top of their, shoulder which, subtly also, though
34:37
Speaker 2: is a dominance. Move it's, like, no we're gonna and
34:41
Speaker 2: so that is a liberty afforded to me though because
34:44
Speaker 2: of my, size.
34:46
Speaker 1: Do you go first in your close relationships with your,
34:49
Speaker 1: kids with your, husband with your. FRIENDS i, do BUT
34:52
Speaker 1: i also don't need to as.
34:54
Speaker 2: MUCH i, MEAN i live around a lot of people,
34:56
Speaker 2: who whether you want them to or, not they're sort
34:59
Speaker 2: of coming your, way and the laird is a very.
35:02
Speaker 2: PRESENT i can get caught up in my thoughts and
35:05
Speaker 2: lost in thoughts and planning and building and thinking and
35:09
Speaker 2: details and layered is. Here so the other side of
35:14
Speaker 2: that sometimes is really that reminder, of even if it's
35:18
Speaker 2: for five, minutes don't be here and be, here be.
35:22
Speaker 1: Here do you think you could pinpoint the greatest benefit
35:27
Speaker 1: to making that shift in your life to going.
35:30
Speaker 2: First we live in a really loud, world and it's
35:35
Speaker 2: set up that we're supposed to be at each other's
35:37
Speaker 2: throats because it's a really healthy distraction for all the
35:40
Speaker 2: naughty players to do whatever it is that they're. Doing
35:44
Speaker 2: and what you learn when you go first in your
35:46
Speaker 2: day to day life is we're all pretty. Similar we
35:50
Speaker 2: don't hate each. Other even when we're, different we Connect
35:54
Speaker 2: and it's just a reminder to me about that there
35:58
Speaker 2: is humanity. Everywhere you just have to participate and be
36:02
Speaker 2: a part of. It and what that does is it allows. Me,
36:08
Speaker 2: also besides that kind of faith and renewed, FAITH i
36:12
Speaker 2: don't walk around really scared in my. Life you, Know
36:14
Speaker 2: i'm not like freaked out by things or you have
36:16
Speaker 2: a different opinion and it bothers. Me it's, like it's,
36:19
Speaker 2: okay it's no. Problem it allows me not to get
36:22
Speaker 2: swept up in the frenzy that seems to sort of
36:25
Speaker 2: take in a hold of us.
36:26
Speaker 1: Culturally speaking of going, first you were the first woman
36:31
Speaker 1: to have A nike design. Deal you made a.
36:33
Speaker 2: SHOE i, said you, KNOW i wanted to feel like
36:36
Speaker 2: this When i'm, training AND i need, That AND i
36:38
Speaker 2: even JOKED i have a very big. FOOT i used
36:40
Speaker 2: to say to tinker and WHEN i look down at my,
36:42
Speaker 2: FOOT i would like it to look. Smaller so he
36:45
Speaker 2: made the lines a certain. Way because also training was
36:48
Speaker 2: like an everyday thing in a, uniform and sometimes it's looked,
36:50
Speaker 2: good feel. Good SO i would dress. Accordingly but sometimes
36:53
Speaker 2: even looking at my foot and being Like i'm organized
36:56
Speaker 2: and have the footwork and, listen it was great timing
36:59
Speaker 2: AND i was at the place at the right.
37:00
Speaker 1: Time what do you mean by?
37:02
Speaker 2: That there's plenty of other female athletes before, me but
37:06
Speaker 2: the market wasn't there yet my. Generation WHEN i, arrived,
37:10
Speaker 2: Obviously nike did the numbers and was, like, oh this
37:13
Speaker 2: is the time for. That SO i was in the
37:15
Speaker 2: right place at the right.
37:16
Speaker 1: Time do you have the shoes in your? House do
37:20
Speaker 1: you have?
37:20
Speaker 2: Extras they are in like a spare bedroom, CLOSET a few.
37:23
Speaker 2: SKWS i think we did about four or five, SKUs you, know,
37:26
Speaker 2: seasons SO i have probably a version of each of.
37:29
Speaker 2: That but one THING i will say That i'm really
37:31
Speaker 2: mindful of is that. Happened it was, great and there's
37:37
Speaker 2: a lot more stuff to.
37:38
Speaker 1: Do were your kids wear?
37:40
Speaker 2: Them?
37:40
Speaker 1: Ever that's kind of, cool you, know it's.
37:43
Speaker 2: Interesting one THING i really want for my. KIDS i
37:45
Speaker 2: just had this conversation with my middle. Daughter, man cut
37:48
Speaker 2: your own path and make it big and. Wide don't
37:52
Speaker 2: look at your, dad don't look at. Myself you're your
37:54
Speaker 2: own person with your own whole thing ahead of. You
37:58
Speaker 2: cut that path, wide do it your own. Way don't
38:01
Speaker 2: worry about you know what we've. Done is that.
38:04
Speaker 1: Something that you And lared talk about or talked about
38:06
Speaker 1: even before having.
38:07
Speaker 2: KIDS i, MEAN i think that's our value, system and
38:11
Speaker 2: then it probably got reinforced once the girls were here
38:15
Speaker 2: as just a living. Practice that's how we parent and less,
38:19
Speaker 2: words more kind of acting that, way and, occasionally like
38:24
Speaker 2: yesterday to my middle daughter, SPECIFICALLY i wrote her a
38:27
Speaker 2: note and, Said, HEY i just want to remind, you
38:30
Speaker 2: like you are a very, intelligent, talented powerful smart, person
38:37
Speaker 2: cut your own, path because we all need. That the
38:40
Speaker 2: world is a scary, place and it's maybe scarier certainly
38:44
Speaker 2: than WHEN i was becoming an. Adult and so just
38:47
Speaker 2: to keep reinforcing to trust yourself and to know that
38:52
Speaker 2: the whispers that you have about yourself and your life
38:55
Speaker 2: they should.
38:56
Speaker 1: Be, honored because that's how we get there if we
38:59
Speaker 1: can put your realism aside for one. Moment do you
39:03
Speaker 1: think that your collab With nike paved the way for
39:07
Speaker 1: female athlete? Collabs do you think it shifted things in the.
39:11
Speaker 2: Market IF i get brass taxi about, it the fact
39:13
Speaker 2: that this shoe sold well meant that the programs probably.
39:17
Speaker 2: Expanded BUT i think that was going to happen. ANYWAY
39:20
Speaker 2: i really, DO i genuinely. Do and you'd be surprised
39:24
Speaker 2: how little a lot of women's athletics has expanded even
39:30
Speaker 2: since my. Day you, Know Cheryl swoops had a shoe
39:33
Speaker 2: right after. ME i think the success of that whole
39:36
Speaker 2: program probably allowed. It but actually my hope is women's
39:39
Speaker 2: athletics gets a lot more. Attention But i'm always interested
39:43
Speaker 2: on how are these athletes making a? Living the joke
39:46
Speaker 2: about it'll be good. Exposure i'm, like, listen you're not
39:49
Speaker 2: going to pay your rent with, Exposure so get. Serious
39:52
Speaker 2: what's your? Business you, know what's your? Salary how are
39:54
Speaker 2: you making a? Living SO i find it even. Fascinating for,
39:57
Speaker 2: example THE, wnba the players that were in college doing you,
40:01
Speaker 2: know name image and likeness, deals we're making more money
40:05
Speaker 2: in some ways than they were going to make than
40:07
Speaker 2: when they turn pro because their salaries such now you
40:09
Speaker 2: have Like Caitlin. Clark so there's these interesting things that we. See,
40:13
Speaker 2: yes the attention is. Great What i'm really interested in is,
40:16
Speaker 2: great how do we set up the business so that
40:18
Speaker 2: these women can really make a healthy living for that
40:21
Speaker 2: period of time that they're doing, Sports because you'd be
40:24
Speaker 2: surprised what the average salary. Is SO i always look
40:27
Speaker 2: at it past kind of the woof and be, like
40:30
Speaker 2: how are they paying these? Athletes and then there's the
40:32
Speaker 2: other realistic. Part how many you, know tickets are they
40:35
Speaker 2: selling so because people, say, oh, well it's not fair
40:37
Speaker 2: and the men get paid, this let's use THE, nba
40:40
Speaker 2: the women get paid. That it's, like, Okay but if
40:42
Speaker 2: we're going to be grown ups about it and look at,
40:43
Speaker 2: it how much does this side? Earn how much does
40:46
Speaker 2: that side? Earn so how do we grow this so
40:49
Speaker 2: that these athletes can make a.
40:51
Speaker 1: Living i've heard interesting debates around that as, well like
40:55
Speaker 1: some of it is like chicken or the, Egg like
40:57
Speaker 1: it took a while to prop up men's, basketball and
41:00
Speaker 1: they have fun halftime shows and all the things that
41:03
Speaker 1: make you want to attend a, game and we haven't
41:06
Speaker 1: done that yet for women's. Basketball it feels like it's
41:09
Speaker 1: just approaching it.
41:10
Speaker 2: Is AND i can add other dimensions to that idea
41:13
Speaker 2: which people don't maybe know. Fully so you can take
41:18
Speaker 2: a male athlete and you can say gets this many
41:21
Speaker 2: rebounds and scores this many points and this great for whatever.
41:24
Speaker 2: Reason we can take a female. Athlete she can be
41:27
Speaker 2: the best at her. Sport but somehow we still want to, know,
41:32
Speaker 2: well what dress is she, wearing who is she? Dating
41:35
Speaker 2: now she has a? Kid how is she juggling? Motherhood
41:37
Speaker 2: AND i always, say instead of getting offended by, that
41:40
Speaker 2: WHICH i never. WAS i just think that we're attracted
41:43
Speaker 2: to women for different and various, reasons and we're going, like,
41:47
Speaker 2: no who is? She and so one of the mistakes
41:50
Speaker 2: we've made is that we don't tell enough stories about
41:53
Speaker 2: the female. Athletes and they, say, no she should be
41:55
Speaker 2: able to go on the court and play and win
41:57
Speaker 2: and that should be. Enough, okay well how has that?
41:59
Speaker 2: Worked or let's expand and. Go she has multi dimensional
42:04
Speaker 2: as male athletes. Are but for whatever, reason, hey you
42:07
Speaker 2: just get your, Rebounds we're. Good we might want to
42:10
Speaker 2: know what car he. DRIVES i don't, know you know
42:12
Speaker 2: WHAT i.
42:12
Speaker 1: Mean but even if you think of the best male,
42:14
Speaker 1: athletes we do care about the lore of it, all
42:17
Speaker 1: like we want to know About Lebron james'.
42:19
Speaker 2: Family but it's not the. Same it just isn't no matter,
42:21
Speaker 2: what it's just not the. Same the leagues need to understand.
42:24
Speaker 2: Storytelling we need to know who she is because then
42:29
Speaker 2: the audience will get invested also in. Her DO i
42:32
Speaker 2: appreciate her hard? Work DO i appreciate her? Skill of
42:34
Speaker 2: COURSE i, Do but we're still marketing two different, products
42:38
Speaker 2: and so how do we do that?
42:39
Speaker 1: Better is there a business decision that you've made that
42:54
Speaker 1: you feel particularly proud.
42:55
Speaker 2: Of not really the fact That i've been willing to
43:00
Speaker 2: fail and continue and succeed in business and try to
43:03
Speaker 2: learn and be willing to raise my hand and SAY
43:05
Speaker 2: i don't know what that? Means what's ebitda? Like help
43:07
Speaker 2: me out and also have my value show up in my.
43:11
Speaker 2: Companies it's not That i'm proud of. THAT i wouldn't
43:14
Speaker 2: be able to go to bed at night consciously IF
43:16
Speaker 2: i was compromising my values for the sake of. Business
43:20
Speaker 2: but one THING i feel really fortunate is That i've
43:22
Speaker 2: been able to do.
43:23
Speaker 1: That you say that having a functioning body we take
43:26
Speaker 1: care of should be one of our. JOBS i like
43:29
Speaker 1: how you put that in a world that often treats
43:32
Speaker 1: wellness as an indulgence or an. Option even what shaped
43:38
Speaker 1: that mindset for?
43:38
Speaker 2: YOU i think coming through, sport it's really. Simple let's
43:42
Speaker 2: Say i've had a knee surgery WHILE i was, competing
43:45
Speaker 2: and you can't get off the toilet by. Yourself let
43:47
Speaker 2: me tell you what you learn real. Quick oh wait a,
43:50
Speaker 2: SECOND i Think i'm grateful for my health AND i
43:53
Speaker 2: need to get from here to there and right NOW
43:55
Speaker 2: i have a knee THAT i just readid and IF
43:57
Speaker 2: i had to run out of the, BUILDING i barely.
43:59
Speaker 2: Could and so looking at it from a different point
44:02
Speaker 2: of view of understanding that the gift of health is
44:06
Speaker 2: it's hard to do anything else as people who get,
44:08
Speaker 2: headaches it's hard to enjoy your, family it's hard to
44:11
Speaker 2: be really good at your job if you don't feel.
44:14
Speaker 2: Good and so for me it seems logical and going
44:17
Speaker 2: back TO i don't need to learn the big. Lessons
44:20
Speaker 2: it's something THAT i. Incorporate and as females were not,
44:23
Speaker 2: TAUGHT i think men do a better job of, like,
44:25
Speaker 2: hey that's, Fun i'm going to go do. That we
44:27
Speaker 2: somehow it's, like, OH i have to earn, that or
44:29
Speaker 2: why are you going to have? Fun it's, like what
44:31
Speaker 2: do you think is? Fun why don't you go find
44:33
Speaker 2: something that's fun and do. That and also learning That
44:37
Speaker 2: i'm not being not as good as a mother or
44:41
Speaker 2: wife or employee or boss IF i, say, oh and
44:45
Speaker 2: by the, Way i'm going to take care of. Myself
44:49
Speaker 2: having said, that women go get their nails, done they
44:52
Speaker 2: go get their hair, done they clean their, cars they
44:55
Speaker 2: get new, carpets they do all this. Stuff they'd rather
44:57
Speaker 2: put a lot of things first and taking care of.
45:00
Speaker 2: Themselves so, really we have the. Time we just have
45:04
Speaker 2: to figure out that it is a part of our,
45:07
Speaker 2: life not SOMETHING i do over here WHEN i have.
45:10
Speaker 2: Time it's just part of the deal and consistency over.
45:14
Speaker 2: Quantity if you, say WELL i only have great fifteen
45:17
Speaker 2: Minutes i've had newborn, children it's Like i've had six
45:20
Speaker 2: minute workouts with no. Equation it's just, like you do
45:23
Speaker 2: what you can. Do but the thing, is no one's
45:25
Speaker 2: going to come to you and, go you know, What
45:28
Speaker 2: why don't you go take a? Walk my husband's not
45:30
Speaker 2: going to come and go you know, what, Sweet i'll
45:31
Speaker 2: take over all. Gain it's, like, no you have to
45:33
Speaker 2: put the guardrails out and go to. Everybody, Hey i'm
45:36
Speaker 2: taking thirty minutes unless something's on, fire don't bother. Me
45:41
Speaker 2: and what it looks like when your kids are teenagers
45:43
Speaker 2: versus new babies is different and is it hard to
45:47
Speaker 2: fit it? In? Yes do you blow? It? Yes do
45:49
Speaker 2: you miss? Days of? Course do you eat chocolate? Cake,
45:51
Speaker 2: Sure but it's not about. That it's eighty percent of the,
45:54
Speaker 2: time are you getting it? Done don't make excuses and
45:59
Speaker 2: it'll work out.
46:00
Speaker 1: How much of your philosophy is based on science versus.
46:03
Speaker 1: Intuition you, KNOW i know.
46:04
Speaker 2: So much of the science THAT i go, yeah because
46:07
Speaker 2: you want to do some of the right. Things but
46:09
Speaker 2: the whole goal of living is to be in a
46:13
Speaker 2: deeper relationship with. Yourself how DO i, feel what DO i,
46:18
Speaker 2: believe what DO i? Think what AM i? Seeing and
46:22
Speaker 2: so when we farm it all, out sometimes we lose that.
46:25
Speaker 2: Connection SO i really am deep into my. Connection BUT
46:29
Speaker 2: i use science as a, reference, like, oh are these best?
46:31
Speaker 2: Practices but you'll find that there's very few new things to.
46:35
Speaker 2: Incorporate once you understand kind of how food, works how movement,
46:39
Speaker 2: works how, sleep circadian, rhythms, sunlight how all these things,
46:42
Speaker 2: work it doesn't really change that. Much and, again our,
46:46
Speaker 2: devices you can put a neuralink chip in my, head
46:49
Speaker 2: but pretty much before that, moment our biology is not.
46:53
Speaker 1: Different your approach has always been about. Longevity from What
46:57
Speaker 1: i've seen and heard you talk about any unconventional wellness
47:01
Speaker 1: practices that you swear.
47:02
Speaker 2: By and the bonuses in technology are things like real hyperbaric,
47:07
Speaker 2: chambers real red, beds things like methylne. Blue there's these
47:11
Speaker 2: little extra kind of things you can do that if
47:14
Speaker 2: you have a good, practice these can support. You if
47:17
Speaker 2: you don't do the, fundamentals it's just something to occupy,
47:20
Speaker 2: yourself to make yourself think you're doing. Something it's still about.
47:24
Speaker 1: Work is that why you guys Created Laired. Superfood it
47:28
Speaker 1: feels like a Fundamental.
47:29
Speaker 2: It's a happy accident number. One and the great thing
47:32
Speaker 2: About Laired superfood is this a lot of people already drinking. Coffee?
47:35
Speaker 2: Cool could you do something that you do every day
47:38
Speaker 2: that supports? You and So Laired, superfood the, ingredients the
47:42
Speaker 2: fact that it's fat and caffeine, together so you don't
47:44
Speaker 2: go like this and like, that you feel your body
47:46
Speaker 2: and your. Brain so there's some principles baked into the
47:49
Speaker 2: company that would be, like you, know we put adaptogens in,
47:52
Speaker 2: there so through time it has a systemic effect on
47:55
Speaker 2: your overall health and. Wellbeing so the other side of
47:58
Speaker 2: this Is i've learned that if we can find things
48:02
Speaker 2: where we're not asking you to do one other, thing
48:05
Speaker 2: what either can we take away that's keeping you from
48:08
Speaker 2: getting your goals or what are you already doing that
48:10
Speaker 2: you could do.
48:11
Speaker 1: Better it's hard to change consumer, behavior so you have
48:14
Speaker 1: to be.
48:14
Speaker 2: ADDITIVE i think, so AND i Think laired in, particular
48:18
Speaker 2: was only drinking coffee and then, realized oh, WAIT i
48:20
Speaker 2: can use this practice as a way to put some
48:23
Speaker 2: other stuff in this that for, him his goal was
48:26
Speaker 2: NOW i can serve for five hours BECAUSE i use, fat,
48:28
Speaker 2: which by the, way yak butter, tea which is an ancient.
48:31
Speaker 2: Practice none of this is, new, right people were doing,
48:34
Speaker 2: That so nobody's reinventing the. Wheel but it's sort of, saying, oh,
48:38
Speaker 2: okay we see a lane, Here we've got an, opportunity
48:41
Speaker 2: and we can bring these values into this. Company and
48:45
Speaker 2: the timing is, right the consumers informed, enough they're, ready
48:48
Speaker 2: and it's something me feel good.
48:49
Speaker 1: About i'm excited to try. IT i did not know
48:52
Speaker 1: that adding fat to caffeine helps you not.
48:55
Speaker 2: Have, yeah you don't freak, out you don't get the.
48:57
Speaker 2: Jitters So i'll give you a really quick tutory about.
48:59
Speaker 2: COFFEE i didn't start drinking. Coffee tot was forty five
49:02
Speaker 2: until we started this business ten years. AGO i like,
49:05
Speaker 2: CAFFEINE i just didn't like to taste of. Coffee and
49:08
Speaker 2: so when we created A Larry Super larry would be,
49:10
Speaker 2: like try, this try. That so WHAT i do is
49:12
Speaker 2: basically a couple shots of espresso in hot, chocolate pretty
49:15
Speaker 2: much with. Fats, however WHAT i will say is when
49:18
Speaker 2: people do drip, coffee that's like three shots of espresso
49:21
Speaker 2: worth a. Caffeine so everybody thinks a shot has more,
49:25
Speaker 2: caffeine it. Doesn't they think dark roast has more, caffeine it.
49:28
Speaker 2: Doesn't medium roast has more. Caffeine so when something is
49:33
Speaker 2: roasted more or drip sitting there, longer that's more. Coffee
49:37
Speaker 2: so what happens you do black drip coffee that's, acidic
49:40
Speaker 2: it's been, sitting you have no, Fat you're getting a stomach,
49:43
Speaker 2: ache you're jacked, up you get the. Shakes so by
49:46
Speaker 2: doing a dark roast or espresso in the, fat you
49:49
Speaker 2: have a little less. Caffeine it probably is not as.
49:52
Speaker 2: Acidic and then you put the fat and it binds
49:56
Speaker 2: with the caffeine and it goes slower into your.
49:59
Speaker 1: System what's your philosophy on having a?
50:01
Speaker 2: Scale, oh a scale you away. Yourself, yeah it comes and.
50:05
Speaker 2: GOES i use it as a, reference but this goes
50:08
Speaker 2: back to how DO i? Feel how DO i look in?
50:10
Speaker 2: There how DO i? Look how do my clothes? Feel
50:12
Speaker 2: how's my? Energy. Levels how AM i? Sleeping this is first.
50:15
Speaker 2: Principles now is it, like, oh, well why AM i
50:18
Speaker 2: consistently gaining these extra? Pounds what's going? On is my stress?
50:21
Speaker 2: High because by the way that'll put the weight, on
50:23
Speaker 2: you could have the same. Practice you could be changing
50:26
Speaker 2: age and you need to tweak something here and. There
50:29
Speaker 2: so if you can use it as an objective, reference,
50:32
Speaker 2: Fine if it's something that you use that just torments,
50:35
Speaker 2: YOU i would say that torment is actually having a
50:38
Speaker 2: negative impact on your, physiology that it's not worth. It
50:42
Speaker 2: the other thing is people aren't honest with. Themselves even
50:45
Speaker 2: when they, think, Oh i'm going to track What i'm,
50:46
Speaker 2: eating they usually under report unless they're writing it down
50:49
Speaker 2: twenty five percent of the amount of calories they're intaking
50:52
Speaker 2: because they forgot, about oh that one little THING i
50:54
Speaker 2: shoved in my mouth or things like. That so WHAT
50:56
Speaker 2: i want to say to people IS i approach it
50:59
Speaker 2: with both one hundred percent accountability and, grace because if
51:02
Speaker 2: you don't have, grace you're just kicking your own. Ass
51:05
Speaker 2: so you want to give yourself, grace but don't bullshit, yourself,
51:09
Speaker 2: like be, honest be, Straight are you doing the? Work
51:12
Speaker 2: are you eating the? Thing are you out with the
51:14
Speaker 2: girls having? Martini it's, like come, ON i want to
51:16
Speaker 2: look like. That it's, like do you want to? Really
51:18
Speaker 2: do you want to do the?
51:19
Speaker 1: Work do you talk to your girls like?
51:20
Speaker 2: This, yes but way down in the. Conversation it's usually
51:26
Speaker 2: pretty loving and, nurturing pretty, direct but from a loving.
51:29
Speaker 2: Place and THEN i might get to a place WHERE i, go,
51:33
Speaker 2: hey CAN i say something to you and not as
51:36
Speaker 2: your mom but as a person like AND i try
51:38
Speaker 2: to couch it in a way that they can then
51:40
Speaker 2: explore that idea for.
51:41
Speaker 1: Themselves my mom talks to me like she doesn't tweeting
51:45
Speaker 1: it at.
51:46
Speaker 2: All she. Doesn't, no it's.
51:47
Speaker 1: INTERESTING i think it's a blessing and. Occurs, well it.
51:51
Speaker 2: Just depends BECAUSE i have kind of such a direct
51:53
Speaker 2: tone all the time. ALREADY i really try to keep
51:56
Speaker 2: softening things BECAUSE i am their only, mom and SO
52:00
Speaker 2: i want to be their.
52:01
Speaker 1: Mom i've heard you talk about softening your. Edges oh,
52:05
Speaker 1: YEAH i need.
52:06
Speaker 2: To i'm getting better at sort of realizing like it's.
52:09
Speaker 2: Okay one of my driving forces in my life is,
52:13
Speaker 2: LIKE i would like to be a decent, person and
52:16
Speaker 2: so that requires being kind and loving and just BECAUSE
52:20
Speaker 2: i can take you, know the brute force and, like,
52:23
Speaker 2: oh grind it, out doesn't mean everybody else is operating that.
52:26
Speaker 2: Way and SO i try to take that into account
52:30
Speaker 2: When i'm communicating with. People and you, know funny, Enough
52:33
Speaker 2: i've even said SOMETIMES i think about this on my,
52:36
Speaker 2: podcast Where i'm, like you, Know i'm not going to
52:38
Speaker 2: tell you what to. Do i'll invite you all dose.
52:40
Speaker 2: Stuff and, finally SOMETIMES i want to, say and by the,
52:42
Speaker 2: WAY i don't care if you do it Because i'm doing. It,
52:46
Speaker 2: like if you want to do it for, YOURSELF i
52:47
Speaker 2: think it's. Great but WHAT i really feel inside is, like,
52:51
Speaker 2: okay that's on. You SO i think part of me is, like,
52:55
Speaker 2: Hey i'll be, Here i'll be with. You let's do it.
52:58
Speaker 2: Together and then at a certain, point if you're not,
53:00
Speaker 2: ready it's.
53:01
Speaker 1: Cool did you like being a professional? Athlete are you
53:04
Speaker 1: happy with the?
53:05
Speaker 2: PATH i feel really. Fortunate you, know this is one
53:08
Speaker 2: THING i want to remind. People your life will find
53:11
Speaker 2: you no matter what if you just keep following your
53:15
Speaker 2: voice and your, instinct and when the door's, open even
53:18
Speaker 2: if you're, scared if you go, through your life's going
53:21
Speaker 2: to find. You because if you said to me at,
53:23
Speaker 2: fifteen as a kid from The, caribbean THAT i would
53:26
Speaker 2: have gone and played, volleyball and as a college athlete
53:30
Speaker 2: and a. Professional it was never in the. Cards NEVER
53:34
Speaker 2: i should have worked at a gift. Shop that's probably
53:36
Speaker 2: WHAT i thought was going to. HAPPEN i didn't have
53:38
Speaker 2: an idea about having an opportunity to be in a
53:41
Speaker 2: long marriage or be in a workspace WHERE i could
53:46
Speaker 2: talk about SOMETHING i really love and believe. IN i, Thought,
53:49
Speaker 2: okay we'll see what. Happens SO i think that's something
53:52
Speaker 2: really important for, people no matter where you come, from
53:55
Speaker 2: no matter where even who wronged you or what didn't
53:59
Speaker 2: work out for. You if you're willing to, work if
54:02
Speaker 2: you're willing to listen to your, voice if you're willing
54:04
Speaker 2: to be honest with yourself and go through the doors
54:08
Speaker 2: when you're, scared your life finds you in all the.
54:12
Speaker 2: Ways your partner finds. You if that's what you, want
54:15
Speaker 2: that's the. Thing you don't have to want that that
54:17
Speaker 2: doesn't make us. Complete but if that's what you, want
54:20
Speaker 2: it'll find.
54:21
Speaker 1: You your life finds.
54:22
Speaker 2: You it, does it finds. You it's there for. Us
54:26
Speaker 2: we just have to trust and it is scary and.
54:28
Speaker 2: Hard AND i can sit here with three daughters and
54:31
Speaker 2: a husband and all this rhetoric of the resume behind,
54:34
Speaker 2: me and AS i go one step in front of the,
54:36
Speaker 2: other it's still, Like, okay that's what we're. Doing we're in,
54:41
Speaker 2: school that's what we're doing down, here and we're loving each.
54:43
Speaker 2: Other AND i think we make it really complicated when
54:46
Speaker 2: you have a little kid and they're going from one
54:48
Speaker 2: room to the next and they run like if they're
54:50
Speaker 2: like two and a half, three and you're not worried
54:52
Speaker 2: that they're about to eat, it, Right and when you
54:56
Speaker 2: listen to, that or you sit at a table with
54:58
Speaker 2: people you love and you into like laughter and food
55:02
Speaker 2: and things like. That or you're going to bed at
55:05
Speaker 2: night and everyone's in the house and everyone's safe and it's.
55:08
Speaker 2: Good it's not much more than. That now we do
55:12
Speaker 2: all these other things to entertain, us to challenge us
55:15
Speaker 2: to have creative. Expression that's, Great but what life is
55:19
Speaker 2: really about is so. Simple and if we can keep
55:23
Speaker 2: those two things space for both of, them you, know
55:26
Speaker 2: it's like a, tree right they say the roots go,
55:28
Speaker 2: deep but why not how? High and why can the branches?
55:32
Speaker 2: Go AND i really think that stay grounded and then
55:35
Speaker 2: reach for whatever it is that you feel inspired to
55:38
Speaker 2: reach for and be willing to kind of eat shit,
55:41
Speaker 2: on like are you willing every day to stand up
55:45
Speaker 2: and wake up for those relationships and that? Dream and
55:48
Speaker 2: if you, are then go for. It that's. Good and
55:51
Speaker 2: if you're, not if you're just doing it because someone
55:53
Speaker 2: your parents think you, should or you have a boss or,
55:54
Speaker 2: whatever it's not the way because even when it's, good
55:59
Speaker 2: it's still.
56:00
Speaker 1: Challenging and that was so. Beautiful thank you for.
56:03
Speaker 2: That, well, yeah that's just you, know live five minutes
56:05
Speaker 2: AND i think most people know THAT i.
56:07
Speaker 1: Have some rapid fire for. You, okay has laired got
56:12
Speaker 1: you into the? Ocean?
56:13
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah my mother trained dolphins WHEN i was a.
56:16
Speaker 2: Kid it's a weird, thing BUT i grew up in
56:18
Speaker 2: The Virgin. Island but, Yes i've gone. Surfing laird's got
56:21
Speaker 2: me in the. Ocean BUT i think the thing that
56:24
Speaker 2: connects us is nature and water and island.
56:28
Speaker 1: Mentality if you had five dollars to invest in your,
56:31
Speaker 1: health what's a healthy decision you can?
56:33
Speaker 2: Make, oh just save your money and go to bed.
56:35
Speaker 2: Early you're not going to get anything for five.
56:37
Speaker 1: Dollars how about fifty Bucks if you have.
56:40
Speaker 2: Not trained and you don't know how to, train either
56:43
Speaker 2: buy it online or hire somebody to teach you a
56:46
Speaker 2: couple things so you get comfortable and you, know, OKAY
56:49
Speaker 2: i can start.
56:49
Speaker 1: There how about five thousand dollars for?
56:52
Speaker 2: Me the money isn't going to get you where you
56:54
Speaker 2: want to go unless you need to go to a
56:55
Speaker 2: therapist and understand why you haven't done. It cheapest thing
56:59
Speaker 2: every day you wake. Up first THING i used to,
57:02
Speaker 2: say if you, said what's the? Order it's a nutrition movement,
57:05
Speaker 2: community all these. Things, okay sunlight is, First so blue
57:11
Speaker 2: light non native blue. Light so the blue light that
57:14
Speaker 2: comes from our phones and our computers and all the
57:18
Speaker 2: EMFs and all the LEDs that is hurting our health
57:21
Speaker 2: and our spirit in a way that we don't. Understand
57:24
Speaker 2: so if you can wake up every day and look at,
57:26
Speaker 2: sunlight even if you live in a, city you set
57:29
Speaker 2: your body. Up, okay your melatonin gets released through your,
57:32
Speaker 2: eyeball tells your, body, hey in about fourteen, hours release your.
57:36
Speaker 2: Melatonin it sets your circadian. Rhythm, sunlight don't snack so,
57:40
Speaker 2: much shorten your eating window and try to move and
57:44
Speaker 2: huff and. Puff that's WHAT i. Say twice a. Week
57:47
Speaker 2: move in a way that you huff and.
57:48
Speaker 1: Puff something you absolutely have no patience. For go.
57:52
Speaker 2: OFF i just don't like the victim. Mentality if we
57:55
Speaker 2: want to say it's not. Fair you, know there's an old,
57:57
Speaker 2: saying if you want, fair go to the. Fairground life
58:01
Speaker 2: is not. Fair i'm not smart enough to understand. Why
58:05
Speaker 2: ALL i can do is control this right here and
58:06
Speaker 2: go what are the Things i'm. Doing i'm, Saying i'm,
58:09
Speaker 2: thinking And i'm believing THAT i can participate in making
58:13
Speaker 2: this the way THAT i want. It AND i don't like,
58:16
Speaker 2: Bullies so victim mentality and bullying in the sense of
58:22
Speaker 2: real bullying because you can because that person won't fight. Back,
58:25
Speaker 2: now if you're a bully and you pick another, Bully i'm,
58:27
Speaker 2: down no. Problem those two things really tweak.
58:31
Speaker 1: ME i love your. Podcast what's the first episode that
58:34
Speaker 1: you would point someone?
58:35
Speaker 2: To it just depends what you're interested, in BECAUSE i
58:38
Speaker 2: have really sciencey people if you're into. THAT i have
58:41
Speaker 2: a lot of mental health. People so if you want
58:42
Speaker 2: to talk more about mental, HEALTH i have some big
58:45
Speaker 2: muscle heady guys that talk about. Science so it's really
58:48
Speaker 2: what you're interested. IN i have a lot of great.
58:50
Speaker 2: Guests it's more about you, know people are drawn to
58:54
Speaker 2: things in their life because they're wrestling. It and, so for,
58:58
Speaker 2: example most mental health PEOPLE i talk, to they're still
59:01
Speaker 2: trying to figure Out most relationship experts guess, what they're
59:04
Speaker 2: trying to figure out. Relationships SO i think it's also
59:07
Speaker 2: understanding the thing that we're intrigued in is the problem
59:10
Speaker 2: we're still trying to.
59:11
Speaker 1: SOLVE i just learned that. LESSON i had a therapist
59:15
Speaker 1: who basically asked me my deepest. FHERE i came up with,
59:18
Speaker 1: loneliness and she, goes, oh that's so interesting because you've
59:20
Speaker 1: built a whole career out of. Connection which is the
59:23
Speaker 1: antidote or the opposite what was? Yours it's a great.
59:27
Speaker 2: QUESTION i think my thing has always been, like do
59:32
Speaker 2: it really, well be really, good never separate because you're
59:36
Speaker 2: a team, player. RIGHT i come from a, Team so pursue,
59:40
Speaker 2: excellence grind all the, stuff but don't take too much,
59:43
Speaker 2: space don't take too much. Air that's even interesting being
59:46
Speaker 2: married To. LAIRED a lot of Times i'm happy to
59:49
Speaker 2: Elevate laired and be. Behind SO i think for Me
59:51
Speaker 2: it's more about kind of don't worry about, it follow
59:54
Speaker 2: what you want to, do and don't govern it too much.
59:58
Speaker 1: And quite literally take.
59:59
Speaker 2: Ups, YEAH i Know i'm doing it, ALREADY i might
1:00:02
Speaker 2: as well do it all the.
1:00:03
Speaker 1: Way one thing every woman should try.
1:00:05
Speaker 2: ONCE i just think as you get older as a,
1:00:08
Speaker 2: woman you should try more than once to be. Silly
1:00:13
Speaker 2: AND i don't mean drunk on A wednesday and a
1:00:15
Speaker 2: girl's night. OUT i mean, like don't let it all bury,
1:00:20
Speaker 2: you because it can the details of. Life AM i?
1:00:24
Speaker 2: Perfect just be, silly be, playful and use your life's
1:00:29
Speaker 2: experience to give you more, freedom not confine.
1:00:33
Speaker 1: You what's a book you've read that changed your mind
1:00:36
Speaker 1: or changed your life that you think everybody could.
1:00:38
Speaker 2: Read, Well i've read a lot of books that have
1:00:40
Speaker 2: changed my mind about a lot of. Things one of
1:00:43
Speaker 2: them was that was really, helpful especially navigating some things about,
1:00:47
Speaker 2: parenting which then bled across to everything was a book
1:00:51
Speaker 2: By Byron katie Called The. Work and she has four,
1:00:53
Speaker 2: Questions is it? True CAN i know it to be?
1:00:55
Speaker 2: True for? Sure who AM i WHEN i think those?
1:00:57
Speaker 2: Thoughts and who WOULD i be without that? Belief AND
1:01:00
Speaker 2: i think for all of, us this idea of the.
1:01:02
Speaker 2: Narrative do we live by our? Narratives and if we
1:01:07
Speaker 2: can get out of that from time to? Time and
1:01:09
Speaker 2: she talks about past futuring not doing. THAT i think
1:01:12
Speaker 2: that was really a great starting point for. ME i
1:01:15
Speaker 2: could apply that to my, business to my love, life
1:01:18
Speaker 2: to my fitness, life to my relationship with my, children
1:01:22
Speaker 2: and it's really.
1:01:22
Speaker 1: Liberating, hey last, question grab a card from The Question
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Speaker 1: everything card game whicheveryone calls you question.
1:01:29
Speaker 2: Everything here you, go how would you describe yourself to a? Stranger,
1:01:33
Speaker 2: oh my, gosh is that for? Real? Consistent so. Boring
1:01:38
Speaker 2: i'll tell you one, thing, really and we'll end this with.
1:01:41
Speaker 2: THIS i went and saw a guy recently and he
1:01:44
Speaker 2: said to, Me, gabby you know you've been using your
1:01:47
Speaker 2: legs for. Everything up the, hill, grind, step, stop, Grind he,
1:01:51
Speaker 2: goes why don't you try using your? Wings AND i
1:01:53
Speaker 2: think sometimes we work so hard we get mired in the.
1:01:56
Speaker 2: Details we're trying to show up for, Everybody but sometimes
1:02:00
Speaker 2: if we can give ourselves permission to let.
1:02:04
Speaker 1: It thank you for, that thank you for joining, us
1:02:07
Speaker 1: thank you for having. Me, okay you know what time it.
1:02:15
Speaker 1: Is today's a good day to have a good. Day
1:02:18
Speaker 1: i'll see you next. Week