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Chandra Levy’s mom says DC prosecutors refuse to help her · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I will never forget the
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Speaker 1: day that I first learned that this beautiful d C
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Speaker 1: intern had gone missing, and I saw the first picture
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Speaker 1: of her. She had beautiful, long, curly black hair, these
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Speaker 1: piercing eyes, tall, thin, perfect skin. I'm like, where is Chandra?
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Speaker 1: Nothing makes sense to me. Joining me right now in
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Speaker 1: a fight for justice is Schandre Levy's mother, Susan Levy.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. We all know that at the beginning,
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Speaker 1: it became public knowledge, much to the pain of Chandra's parents,
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Speaker 1: who were happy when their daughter got this prestigious d
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Speaker 1: C internship, you know, which is supposed to open all
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Speaker 1: kind of doors for you. When it was first reported
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Speaker 1: that she had somehow become part of a relationship with
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Speaker 1: a very much married u as congressman, and then she
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Speaker 1: goes missing. As the facts began to unfold, much speculation occurred.
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Speaker 1: Today we are at the impasse. The prosecutors in d
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Speaker 1: C have outright refused ms Levy's request to retest the
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Speaker 1: evidence of Chandra Levy's murder case. They have outright refused
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Speaker 1: Miss Levy to retest the evidence with state of the
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Speaker 1: art d NA such as UH touch d N a
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Speaker 1: im fact um familial DNA analysis anything. Why what happened
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Speaker 1: to the evidence has to compromised? Has it been lost?
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Speaker 1: Or are they just tired of the case? No more
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Speaker 1: headlines left to ring out of Schandra Levy's investigation? Why
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Speaker 1: it was ms Levy turned down? Why was I turned down?
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Speaker 1: And my request for her evidence to be retested? Joining
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Speaker 1: me right now is Sandra's mother, who has never given
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Speaker 1: up the fight for justice for her daughter, Schandra, miss Leavy,
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Thank you tell me
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Speaker 1: why it's so important for you to have the evidence
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Speaker 1: in Sandra's case. I'm referring to her jogging tides, the
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Speaker 1: other items that were found near her remains, and the
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Speaker 1: part where she was jogging. Why is it so important
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Speaker 1: to you that this evidence be tested? First of all,
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Speaker 1: there's me too movement and the me too movement. Most
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Speaker 1: people can talk about their situation, but my daughter, who
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Speaker 1: is deceased, is part of that me too movement and
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Speaker 1: I am a voice because she cannot speak. And there
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Speaker 1: are questions that have never been answered. There's been no
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Speaker 1: UH understanding of what really happened. UH. There is new
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Speaker 1: ways of doing forensic testing, and there's always that possibility,
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Speaker 1: that slight possibility, that there might be something that can
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Speaker 1: be found within the new technology that is there. Even
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Speaker 1: though I've been told by prosecutors that everything has been
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Speaker 1: touched and contaminated. Are they experts in the area of
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Speaker 1: technology and uh biology to know? My question is there
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Speaker 1: are a lot of loose ins. I'll never get my
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Speaker 1: daughter back, but are there things that don't match up?
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Speaker 1: And that's my question that if someone may have gotten
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Speaker 1: my daughter in the park, they took time to make
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Speaker 1: notts in her clothing kind of makes me wonder why
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Speaker 1: they had the time to do that and why they
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Speaker 1: were interested in nodding such as an S and M
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Speaker 1: type attack or a bondage attack on her. You mentioned
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Speaker 1: to me earlier about zip ties or zip ties found
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Speaker 1: anywhere near her remains. I don't know, because when it
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Speaker 1: came to the forensic part, I walked out and went
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Speaker 1: to a horse show. That was because you did not
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Speaker 1: want to hear it. I didn't want to hear it,
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Speaker 1: but certainly told Susan when you asked to have her evidence,
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Speaker 1: for instance, her leggings or running leggings retested I mean
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Speaker 1: about it, Susan. Whoever tied those knots had to touch
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Speaker 1: the leggings at on the inside of the knots, just
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Speaker 1: like when you tie your shoe, you're leaving behind d
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Speaker 1: N A with new touch technology, I don't understand why
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Speaker 1: there wouldn't be DNA unless it's being compromised in the
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Speaker 1: evidence room. But they said that everything was left out
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Speaker 1: for a year, out in the open, but the knots
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Speaker 1: were still tied, So what's within those knots would still
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Speaker 1: be there. I don't know if they ever untied the
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Speaker 1: knots or maybe they will untie that. When you asked
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Speaker 1: for it to be retested, what were you told, Susan.
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Speaker 1: I was told that most of the evidence has been
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Speaker 1: compromised because of the being in the element for a year.
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Speaker 1: And also it was compromised because to me, other people
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Speaker 1: have touched it and doing they're testing. Well, you know
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Speaker 1: what does Cheryl McCollum, the director of the Cold Case
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Speaker 1: Research Institute. We certainly won't know that unless we try, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: we will not know unless we try. And I see
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Speaker 1: if we been asking for years. Number one, they need
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Speaker 1: a not expert to examine those not and then they
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Speaker 1: need to use the in fact it tests those tents.
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Speaker 1: If it turns up nothing, so much. At least we tried, Nyhy.
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Speaker 1: They love to say we're gonna leave no stone unturned. Well, buddy,
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Speaker 1: you've left one unturned on this one. You know, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: the types of technology that's now available, from familial DNA
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Speaker 1: to the use of an impact. What could be done,
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Speaker 1: What tests could be run on Saundra's clothes. And I've
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Speaker 1: got to tell you, I mean, I've got an email
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Speaker 1: right here in front of me that was sent to
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Speaker 1: me that they that prosecutors had reviewed all the evidence.
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Speaker 1: And uh, I think that it's all been done. Well
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Speaker 1: that was at the time of the trial. Says then
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Speaker 1: so much DNA technology. I mean, look at Golden State
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Speaker 1: Killer for Pete's sake, look at the impact. Look at
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Speaker 1: all that has developed since that time, Cheryl. What could
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Speaker 1: be done now that may make a difference in this case?
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Speaker 1: In the answer, they could absolutely use the IMBAT, which
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Speaker 1: is the latest greatest capability that we have to extract
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Speaker 1: DNA again from the inside of the night. They could
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Speaker 1: also do phenotyping, which would give you a picture literally
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Speaker 1: of the suspect. You know, an interesting thing. The way
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Speaker 1: this whole thing unrivaled was after a series of investigative
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Speaker 1: reports by the Washington Post, police finally get a warrant
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Speaker 1: to arrest a guy named ing Marghon DK. He was
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Speaker 1: an illegal immigrant from El Salvador. We all know about
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Speaker 1: the speculation before that, Gary Condent, the congressman, reportedly had
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Speaker 1: had a romantic relationship with Seandre Levie. To this day,
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Speaker 1: he still denies that or will not answer. However, all
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Speaker 1: eyes returned on him until the Washington Post articles that
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Speaker 1: led to the search warrant that led to the arrest
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Speaker 1: of e. Margon DC gun d K was tried and
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Speaker 1: found guilty. Why because he told multiple people behind bars
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Speaker 1: and pen pals phone pals that he killed Shandra Levy.
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Speaker 1: He described her. He has a tattoo on himself that
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Speaker 1: looks like schendre Levy. He had clippings he had saved
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Speaker 1: in his jail cell that are about schendre Levy. And
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Speaker 1: he had attacked multiple other women in the same part
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Speaker 1: in the same way as they were jogging the same
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Speaker 1: m O motorcyperendi method of operation as we think happened
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Speaker 1: to Shandra. That's not the end of the story, He's
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Speaker 1: tried to convict it, and then one witness, one witness says, oh,
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Speaker 1: I was lying. I made that story up about him confessing.
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Speaker 1: So they dropped the whole case. They dismissed charges and
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Speaker 1: send Gondique back to El Salvador. Cheryl, I've never heard
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Speaker 1: anything like that in my life. Why not rework the case?
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Speaker 1: How do I know the witness wasn't lying when he
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Speaker 1: said it was lying? I would just tell the jury that, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: It is the most maddening situation, because again, you were
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Speaker 1: my prosecutor. So this to me is the most unfathomable
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Speaker 1: result I've ever seen in my life. First of all,
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Speaker 1: you would never paying everything on a case with one witness. Ever,
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Speaker 1: you work it from the ground up. Everything you told
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Speaker 1: us a long time ago in a meeting, Nancy, let's
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Speaker 1: get our hands dirty with facts and evidence. How can
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Speaker 1: you just let one small person dissolve this entire case
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Speaker 1: that took seven years to build. It makes no sense.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this with our friend Deborah Roberts
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Speaker 1: at NBC's Dateline documentary. I called up and called up,
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Speaker 1: and then suld answer Bob Levy, an oncologist and wife
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Speaker 1: Susan are expecting their twenty four year old daughter back
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Speaker 1: home in Modesto, California. She was shy. She really liked
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Speaker 1: being at home. Yet her daughter was ambitious, dreaming of
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Speaker 1: a career in law enforcements. Very program Yeah, she'd even
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Speaker 1: volunteered in her local police department before heading to the
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Speaker 1: nation's capital. She got an internship Department of Prisons there. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think she was interested in going to the FBI.
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Speaker 1: The FBI would be in Sandra's future, but not in
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Speaker 1: the way she imagine. This is Crime Stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace and with me today. Um, a woman I feel
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Speaker 1: that I've known for a very long time. When I
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Speaker 1: would see her cry on a TV screen, it would
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Speaker 1: break my heart. Sandra Levy's mother, Susan Levy, who is
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Speaker 1: joining us. She has traveled from California and it's with
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Speaker 1: me here in the studio now. Also with me my colleague,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum, director of the Cold Case Research Institute MS Levy.
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Speaker 1: When the DC prosecutors told you they had absolutely no
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Speaker 1: intention of using the latest DNA technology on the evidence
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Speaker 1: in Sandra's case, how did that affect you? When they
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Speaker 1: basically slammed the door in your face. Well, it made
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Speaker 1: me feel unhappy. Uh though I'm unhappy any help, regardless
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Speaker 1: of which way, because I don't have my daughter. But
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Speaker 1: I just feel when I've caught the police department in Washington,
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Speaker 1: d C. And asked for them to take a new
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Speaker 1: interest in the case, and they said that they are
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Speaker 1: still working on it. And though I don't believe it,
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Speaker 1: I never heard from them working on and how I
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Speaker 1: mean they had they said, did it? And then they
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Speaker 1: cut him loose and let him get deported to All Salvador.
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Speaker 1: What am I working on? One Dicky supposed he was
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Speaker 1: up for murder and uh caseince el Salvador. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if that's true. But I just never seen anything
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Speaker 1: unraveled so fast after this particular lady that talk to
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Speaker 1: the Star wetness, and I don't understand how someone who
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Speaker 1: is prime witness, who was under victim's protection, I think,
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Speaker 1: and he was not guarded in his room and he
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Speaker 1: could just go everywhere, and this lady gets involved and
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Speaker 1: and somehow, unbeknownst to him, has five hours of tapes
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Speaker 1: that is uh talked about that he made a lie
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Speaker 1: and uh just lay the case against Gundak was not
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Speaker 1: based on just the one witness who he Gundak confessed to.
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Speaker 1: There if you look in the file, as you well know,
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Speaker 1: there are multiple people behind bars, his cell mates that
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Speaker 1: he bragged too that he kills Sendra. There is a
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Speaker 1: pinpal that he would talk to regularly, a woman on
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Speaker 1: the phone that he talked to about the murder of
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Speaker 1: Schendre Leady. There are many people, not just this one
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Speaker 1: star witness. Why does he have a tattoo with shenser
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Speaker 1: Levies face on his body? Why does he have all
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Speaker 1: the clippings from Shanser Levy in his jail cell and
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, even more damning, is not one, not too,
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Speaker 1: but three that we know of similar transaction, females that
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Speaker 1: he attacked in the same park, just yards away from
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Speaker 1: where Saunder's remains were found. Of course he's involved. Was
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Speaker 1: it him alone? I don't know. Did someone pay him
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Speaker 1: or suggest that he do this? I don't know that,
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Speaker 1: but I know he was convicted. Why would the state
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Speaker 1: just drop the case and send the guy away? Tell
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Speaker 1: Salvador and Cheryl McCollum keep the star witness under protective
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Speaker 1: custody the according to reports, why would they get ugly
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Speaker 1: with miss Levies when when I called, when you called,
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Speaker 1: what other people call and say, hey, y'all, why don't
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Speaker 1: you review everything? And reaches the evidence now was the latest,
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Speaker 1: greatest stuff, instead of saying, wait a minute, maybe that's
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Speaker 1: a good idea, let's you know, get back in the
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Speaker 1: room and worked this thing from the ground up again. No, no,
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Speaker 1: they called mc leavy angry at her that she's got
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Speaker 1: people reaching out on her behalf. They ignore the fact
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Speaker 1: there's not one, but two similar transactions. And Nathy, you
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Speaker 1: and I both know if you've got very similar crimes
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Speaker 1: and a five mile radius, that looks good all day.
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Speaker 1: If you've got it within a mile, you can pretty
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Speaker 1: much guarantee it's the same person. In this situation, you're
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Speaker 1: talking about yards, yards, just yards. You know, the the
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Speaker 1: investigation was bungled at the get go. There was evidence
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Speaker 1: that in Shaundre's apartment building that they had surveillance videos.
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Speaker 1: She goes missing, nobody gets the tape. They tape over
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Speaker 1: it every seventy two hours or something like that, and
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Speaker 1: they lose the tape just just they get into her
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Speaker 1: computer and destroy all the evidence. They manage at some
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Speaker 1: point to you know, re access much of the computer evidence,
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Speaker 1: but just one thing after the next, after the next.
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Speaker 1: They ignored some nine one one call. There was a
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Speaker 1: scream in the apartment complex, and that's this doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 1: My daughter would scream if some someone was to take
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Speaker 1: her out of there. She doesn't run by the way
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Speaker 1: in parks. She is not a park runner. That's interesting.
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Speaker 1: On her computer there was evidence she had looked up
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Speaker 1: there was a mansion in Rock Creek Park, as if
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Speaker 1: that's where she were going it That part sounds like
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Speaker 1: an elaborate setup, uh, to plant that and have her
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Speaker 1: go there to what meets someone? Why would she go there?
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Speaker 1: She didn't typically jog their misleavy, that's true. Prosecutors are
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Speaker 1: declining to comment on recordings that seemed to indicate Armando
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Speaker 1: Morales was lying. He was recorded by a neighbor stating
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Speaker 1: he lied about gone dek his one time salemate in
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Speaker 1: a Kentucky prison. But what about all the other evidence,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum, not just Morales. There's hours and hours of
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Speaker 1: tape that they won't released, that she won't be able
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Speaker 1: to hear. There are two similar transactions, so those are
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Speaker 1: just the two that he was serving time for Cheryl.
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Speaker 1: There are more than just those two. Those two women
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Speaker 1: are the two that he was actually doing jail time
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Speaker 1: for attacking them in Rock Creek Park, just yards from
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Speaker 1: where Chaundra's remains were found. There are others that he
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Speaker 1: wasn't prosecuted for absolutely, but let's break that down. The
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Speaker 1: other two women were of the same general height as Chardre,
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Speaker 1: same stature, build, dark curly hair, running in Rock Creek
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Speaker 1: Park with a walkman at the end of their route,
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Speaker 1: so they're fatigued and they're tired. That is not just
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Speaker 1: an m O back damn near a signature, ms Levy.
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Speaker 1: I heard someone ask you just recently, why don't you
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Speaker 1: quote move on? Well, when I heard the question, and it,
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Speaker 1: just as my son said, it was cringe e. It
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Speaker 1: literally made me physically cringe when I heard someone ask you,
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Speaker 1: miss lady, why don't you just move on from this?
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Speaker 1: I have to turn every stone. It is my belief
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Speaker 1: that even there's a very possibility that Sandra may have
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Speaker 1: never been killed in that park, or may have been
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Speaker 1: taken away and replaced there. I don't know why I
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Speaker 1: feel that it is such like like deep inside me,
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Speaker 1: but you don't move on when you lose a child, Yes,
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Speaker 1: you go. I live in your life the best you
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Speaker 1: know how. But someone out there knows what really did happen,
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Speaker 1: the truth, and I do not want to have my
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Speaker 1: daughter's death forgotten, and that if her death meant to
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Speaker 1: open up an avenue for other people to get to
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Speaker 1: their truth quicker, that would be great. I can't say
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Speaker 1: sure that this case is closed and it's code again.
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Speaker 1: The me too movement involves those people who have us
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Speaker 1: have lost their lives, and in my case, my daughter
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Speaker 1: had been manipulated and lost her life, and I uh,
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Speaker 1: I am her voice with me. Chandra's mother, Susan Levy.
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Speaker 1: He has traveled from California also with me, the director
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Speaker 1: of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCullum. Cheryl, I
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Speaker 1: tried with the prosecutors to get them to retest the evidence.
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Speaker 1: I had a stone wall and I kept trying it
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Speaker 1: with all diplomacy I could muster misleavy try. That's the
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Speaker 1: outrage that a victim's mother was treated that way, and
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Speaker 1: it hurts me. Cheryl, I was a felony prosecutor, I
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Speaker 1: am a crime victim. I feel like I'm still part
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Speaker 1: of the justice system as we all are and it
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Speaker 1: hurts me about what is going on right now. When
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Speaker 1: you tried, Cheryl McCollum to get the evidence retested, essentially
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Speaker 1: I got the message, well, I'm about to retire. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm not touching this case. It's over as far as
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Speaker 1: I'm concerned. Forget about it. Basically is that the nutshell
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Speaker 1: of what you got pretty much what I got. The
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Speaker 1: first thing she wanted to do was correct um how
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Speaker 1: I addressed her each state and shitty they you know,
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Speaker 1: they have different things they call their prosecutors, so it
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Speaker 1: could be an attorney general, you know, whatever. So she
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Speaker 1: wanted to be sure that I had the right title,
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Speaker 1: and so I knew at that point it was going
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Speaker 1: to go south. But here's the thing that do you
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Speaker 1: and I both started our careers really as victim aggate.
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Speaker 1: And in this case, when you look at what ms
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Speaker 1: Levy has been through, her daughter goes missing, they do
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Speaker 1: not find her for a year, even though they they
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Speaker 1: supposedly searched that area. After that, there was a period
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Speaker 1: of seven years Nancy where she didn't hear a word
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Speaker 1: from the police or prosecutors or anybody. Seven years of
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Speaker 1: not knowing what the heck was going on with this case,
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Speaker 1: and now she's asking for something very small. It's it's
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Speaker 1: nothing to get this tested. We even offered the freaking
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Speaker 1: pay for Well, I didn't know that part. Cheryl. You
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Speaker 1: offered to use your own facilities and equipment that you
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Speaker 1: can access to retest the evidence of the Seans Levy case.
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Speaker 1: And even though it would not cost their office one penny,
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Speaker 1: they declined they won't even respond. And they again they
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Speaker 1: got very ugly with her, not knowing why she had
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Speaker 1: nance the Gray's call up there. Well, she had nance
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Speaker 1: the Gray's call up there because Cheryl the callin couldn't
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Speaker 1: get it done. Well, I'm sorry to say you and
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Speaker 1: I are frying in the same pan right now. We're
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Speaker 1: stilling in the same pot. I couldn't get it done either.
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Speaker 1: But what really burns me up is talking to miss
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Speaker 1: Levy like that, Miss Levy in you called for Saundrew's
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Speaker 1: evidence to be retested. What was their demeanor? They just
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Speaker 1: uh didn't give me any answered. I guess is it
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Speaker 1: any way that they're still working on this and the police,
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Speaker 1: you know, they kind of beat around the bush and
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Speaker 1: and they really said there's nothing more that can be done. Really,
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Speaker 1: they haven't heard about the m fact and touch technology,
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Speaker 1: and that's what I told them. And then they they
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Speaker 1: stood out, you know, it's all been washed out. That's
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Speaker 1: what we did, is washed the stuff out or something.
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Speaker 1: I guess they figure it's a fact wet vacuum and
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Speaker 1: it washed up all the evidence out. And it's always
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Speaker 1: that chat that maybe we can find out a little
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Speaker 1: bit more that than than what we know already. What
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, Ms Leady is that star witness. And I'm
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Speaker 1: saying that with air quotees liar or no liar, I
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Speaker 1: would argue to the jury he was lying when he
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Speaker 1: said he was lying. Okay, if I be leaved in
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Speaker 1: my case, but forget about him. If there is d
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Speaker 1: n A there, you don't need him. And what skin
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Speaker 1: off their back is it to have it retested? What
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Speaker 1: have they lost it? It's somewhere lost in the evidence
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Speaker 1: dream or worse, how would it hurt them to take
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Speaker 1: the evidence with their own little, hot little hands to
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Speaker 1: the crime lab and have it In fact, maybe they
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Speaker 1: don't know where they put the evidence at. I'm not
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's to see. I hate to say
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Speaker 1: that I went to pick up my daughter's clothing belongings
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Speaker 1: that she had, and I went to an awful part
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Speaker 1: of town and they have thousands of other murdered boxes
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Speaker 1: of people's remaining clothing. And knowing the way the government works,
22:46
Speaker 1: maybe they don't know what they're always doing. Well, I've
22:49
Speaker 1: got to tell you, you know, that strikes me to
22:51
Speaker 1: the core because my whole world has been built on
22:56
Speaker 1: being part of the system. But I know that the
23:00
Speaker 1: system fails, and that's very hurtful but also very true.
23:05
Speaker 1: And Klingon match and one time I went on my own, uh,
23:10
Speaker 1: investigating what Klingon Mansion is about, and I found all
23:14
Speaker 1: kinds of advertisements. You know, they do weddings, they do
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Speaker 1: children's parties. But at that time that I was investigating
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Speaker 1: on my own, they said, we can do everything that
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Speaker 1: your heart desires, imagine. And then it makes me wonder
23:27
Speaker 1: if there's more to Kalinga than we all know regarding
23:30
Speaker 1: while she was there, right she was near that hospital
23:34
Speaker 1: is kind of like a um, well, I'll say a
23:36
Speaker 1: mansion in the middle or near Rock Creek Park where
23:40
Speaker 1: Shaundra's remains were found. I want to go back to
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Speaker 1: something very important, Ms Levy. Too many people Saundra's name
23:48
Speaker 1: is now a headline. They don't remember the pain that
23:54
Speaker 1: they suffered. I don't think it's a headline in the
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Speaker 1: same way that it was before. But because it's a
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Speaker 1: new generation. Ten twenty years, I've gone to schools and
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Speaker 1: speak for the Day of Respect, and it's amazing because
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Speaker 1: this new generation is longer than you go. The more
24:14
Speaker 1: the name isn't a headline because people wo forget, you
24:18
Speaker 1: know what, Let's remind them the day that Chandra disappeared.
24:25
Speaker 1: Tell me about what was happening that day in your
24:27
Speaker 1: life when you discovered your daughter was missing. When my
24:32
Speaker 1: husband first kind of realized before I did, because he
24:36
Speaker 1: had made many many calls and then get any calls back.
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Speaker 1: And she was supposed to come home for her college graduation,
24:45
Speaker 1: and we didn't know what her plans were. And it's
24:47
Speaker 1: highly unlike her not to tell us that when she
24:50
Speaker 1: was coming back, so that my husband kind of knew
24:56
Speaker 1: before I did or suspected. And and then later on
25:01
Speaker 1: I wound up calling our congressman, and then what happened
25:06
Speaker 1: were actually my husband called the FBI, FBI and and
25:12
Speaker 1: and the congressman. And then a second time I called
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Speaker 1: and got Musaic and finally asked if he knew where
25:20
Speaker 1: Shundra was. And later on we got phone, you know phones,
25:25
Speaker 1: because she was she was an intern, and she got phone.
25:29
Speaker 1: We got our phone records, which was very hard to
25:32
Speaker 1: get from Verizon or whatever A T and T. I
25:35
Speaker 1: don't know what we had. I think it's Verizon and
25:39
Speaker 1: we had to go through a lot of ropes to
25:41
Speaker 1: get that. And there were many, many, many many calls
25:45
Speaker 1: going to his office day and night. I don't understand
25:48
Speaker 1: why you were having to do this and not the police.
25:51
Speaker 1: I don't know if the police did, but we did, okay,
25:53
Speaker 1: And then what did the se what did the phone
25:54
Speaker 1: reckers reveal that she was calling constantly to a specific
25:59
Speaker 1: number and that number was here. It was belonged to
26:03
Speaker 1: Gary Conduit. And of course he told me that basically, uh,
26:07
Speaker 1: he gets a lot of cause from interns and people
26:10
Speaker 1: who want to know advice about like FBI, and you
26:14
Speaker 1: know what, you don't get a second language, you know,
26:17
Speaker 1: so you can get into take a listen to Congressperson
26:22
Speaker 1: Gary Condit talking with our friend Dr Phil. You developed
26:26
Speaker 1: a friendship with her, and you saw her outside the office, correct,
26:31
Speaker 1: I saw her one time sorry. I saw her one
26:34
Speaker 1: time outside the office at a restaurant, and she came
26:37
Speaker 1: by my condo about your conda once, well, maybe twice.
26:42
Speaker 1: I think it was twice she came by. But once again,
26:46
Speaker 1: I want to make this clear, there's nothing unusual about
26:49
Speaker 1: someone coming by my conduct. A lot of people did, so,
26:51
Speaker 1: you know, people have made some speculation about that means
26:55
Speaker 1: something special. But you know, well, we're the police making
26:58
Speaker 1: something out of that. Try are you trying to absolutely yeah, yeah,
27:02
Speaker 1: well they were trying to make something everything they could.
27:05
Speaker 1: We know that at the time Schendra went missing, Gary Condent,
27:09
Speaker 1: the congress person, was actually in a meeting with the
27:12
Speaker 1: then Vice president, so I know he was not there
27:15
Speaker 1: at the time we think Schendra went missing. But I
27:18
Speaker 1: also know, Cheryl McCollum, that he has waffled on how
27:22
Speaker 1: many times he saw Chendra. To explain away all the
27:26
Speaker 1: phone calls, all the messages he left there at her home.
27:30
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, let's take a listen to
27:33
Speaker 1: Congressman Condent leaving a message with Schendram. Maybe you're out
27:38
Speaker 1: of the out of the country or something. Anyway, Now again, Cheryl,
27:44
Speaker 1: we know that at the time we think Schendra went missing,
27:47
Speaker 1: that he was actually in a closed door meeting with
27:50
Speaker 1: the vice president. Okay, regarding his relationship with her, he's
27:55
Speaker 1: always been very very unclear at something. Uh, anyone who
28:02
Speaker 1: is asked not to carry their I D and wallet
28:08
Speaker 1: with them to me, is setting them up. Why do
28:13
Speaker 1: you say that, Well, it just seems like it just
28:16
Speaker 1: seems ironic that if someone didn't have I D and wallet.
28:20
Speaker 1: How you know, if something happened to them, then you
28:23
Speaker 1: would not be able to identify them as fast. I
28:27
Speaker 1: know that I've been told that, oh, he didn't want
28:30
Speaker 1: to being you know, incriminated, But basically I just can't
28:36
Speaker 1: believe she would not carry I D and wallet. And
28:41
Speaker 1: also she left some of her jewelry a hand of God.
28:46
Speaker 1: It is a little necklace I gave to her in Israel.
28:49
Speaker 1: She left it in the apartment and she never takes
28:52
Speaker 1: it off because maybe showering it just substance doesn't strike me.
28:59
Speaker 1: Do you think someone told her not to carry her
29:01
Speaker 1: I D oh whenever she went to see him? How
29:03
Speaker 1: do you know that? I think either Linda or Chounder
29:08
Speaker 1: told me. I guessed that she was seeing him, But
29:12
Speaker 1: why would you go out without an idea. Why would
29:17
Speaker 1: you go running in if you're going to a park
29:20
Speaker 1: without a phone, without an idea. It doesn't make sense.
29:26
Speaker 1: To Cheryl McCullum. The gist for me of what miss
29:30
Speaker 1: Leady is saying is that there are so many loose
29:34
Speaker 1: ends in the case that have never been tied up,
29:37
Speaker 1: never been answered. And I have a couple other questions
29:40
Speaker 1: as far as people in jail they have killed people,
29:44
Speaker 1: do they always put their tattoos about the women that
29:48
Speaker 1: have been killed that they have killed on their body
29:53
Speaker 1: or the people who are a jail just generally make
29:57
Speaker 1: tattoos of attractive women. You know, Cheryl, have you seen
30:01
Speaker 1: the tattoo that gon Dk has. It's Chandra Levy, it's
30:04
Speaker 1: her face. It's certainly a striking Reasonble's due, There's no
30:08
Speaker 1: doubt about that. And again it begs question, why why
30:12
Speaker 1: would he do that if it's not to brag or
30:16
Speaker 1: to force people that you know asked him about it
30:19
Speaker 1: so that he can tell the stories. Well. To hear
30:21
Speaker 1: it from defense attorney Bernie Grimm, he and I got
30:25
Speaker 1: into a fight over it. He says that Gondk bragged
30:29
Speaker 1: about killing Chandra to make himself a big guy behind bars.
30:36
Speaker 1: But to me, you don't brag about that. He told
30:40
Speaker 1: that to a penpal that he talked to on the phone.
30:43
Speaker 1: He told people behind bars, He told the so called
30:46
Speaker 1: star witness. Morales said that to many other people, combined
30:50
Speaker 1: with keeping clippings about Schendre Levi having her face tattooed
30:54
Speaker 1: on his body, not only that, attacking multiple women within
30:59
Speaker 1: yards of where Saundra's remains were found in the same
31:02
Speaker 1: m o dark headed women jogging in the park from behind.
31:09
Speaker 1: You would have walked right up to him before this
31:12
Speaker 1: trial had ever started, and you would have said, tell
31:15
Speaker 1: me one thing about that scene that's never been in
31:18
Speaker 1: the paper. Either he can or he can't. You're right
31:22
Speaker 1: if he knew something very specific. Where's her pinky ring?
31:26
Speaker 1: Tell me what kind of knot the pants were tied in,
31:29
Speaker 1: Tell me something, Educate me. I bet he can. Sundrew's
31:33
Speaker 1: mother is with me here, Susan Levy. Do you recall
31:39
Speaker 1: that day you learned Sandra was no longer a missing
31:44
Speaker 1: person but her remains have been identified? Horrible day. Your
31:50
Speaker 1: world is shattered, nothing is never the same, and you
31:56
Speaker 1: ask God why and attempts it tempts to your faith
32:01
Speaker 1: in the belief of God, because God is sleeping on
32:04
Speaker 1: the job. That's how I felt. My husband used to
32:08
Speaker 1: say that now I feel it more that way. Why
32:11
Speaker 1: such violent? Why did this ever happen to happen? And
32:16
Speaker 1: how many other people that have gone through the same thing.
32:25
Speaker 1: And I even think of that people that may have
32:28
Speaker 1: been in my community that when missing and they could
32:32
Speaker 1: find that person's body remains. So it's not not easy.
32:43
Speaker 1: This is not easy to be here doing this. And
32:48
Speaker 1: I wish we had my daughter ability to be able
32:53
Speaker 1: to tell us, you know, but she she'll say, what
32:57
Speaker 1: difference does it make? And I say, it makes a
33:01
Speaker 1: difference for a lot of people. Do you believe, Cheryl McCullum,
33:09
Speaker 1: that there there were claims of prosecutorial misconduct, which I
33:15
Speaker 1: don't necessarily believe. Do you believe that this is just
33:18
Speaker 1: a sore spot for the prosecutors that they don't want
33:22
Speaker 1: to reopen a can of worms? Is that what they
33:26
Speaker 1: consider this case to be nathy? I don't know. I mean, again,
33:30
Speaker 1: I'm pretty stulled because you were my prosecutor, and then
33:33
Speaker 1: I had a string of other prosecutors that were extraordinary
33:37
Speaker 1: as well, and they would fight, they would put cases up,
33:40
Speaker 1: even if they believe they were going to lode them,
33:42
Speaker 1: because they knew it was the right thing to do.
33:45
Speaker 1: And in this situation, I cannot think of a reason
33:50
Speaker 1: that you would not double back, start over, build your
33:54
Speaker 1: case without the one lion witness, or to your point,
33:58
Speaker 1: put him up and make him now talk about it.
34:00
Speaker 1: Why would you lie? And then all these other people
34:03
Speaker 1: didn't lie. You know, the penpal had no reason to lie.
34:05
Speaker 1: The other salemates had no reason to life. His tattoo,
34:09
Speaker 1: don't lie, his similar transactions. Don't lie his criminal history
34:13
Speaker 1: in El Salvador. Don't lie. Put it up fight? And
34:19
Speaker 1: why did this lady show up at the beginning of
34:21
Speaker 1: a trial, very beginning of the trial, and that this
34:27
Speaker 1: whole thing unravels that fast, absolutely, And I'll say something else, Nacy.
34:33
Speaker 1: Not only that the person that suposedly was going to
34:36
Speaker 1: be this big star witness, why is he still in
34:39
Speaker 1: protective custody? Why is he in the witness detection program?
34:42
Speaker 1: You should only get that if you actually helped once
34:46
Speaker 1: you know the prosecution, not that you lied. I don't
34:50
Speaker 1: understand any of this, is what I know. I know
34:54
Speaker 1: that this case garnered attention at the beginning because Congress
34:58
Speaker 1: then congress Person Gear Reconduct had allegedly been having a
35:03
Speaker 1: romantic relationship with a female intern over twenty years younger
35:08
Speaker 1: than him, a married congressman. Well, police say he has
35:12
Speaker 1: been exonerated, that he was in a meeting with the
35:16
Speaker 1: Vice President, Dick Cheney at the time Schandra goes missing.
35:20
Speaker 1: But what about gun DK, Why was he cut free?
35:25
Speaker 1: Why hasn't the case been prosecuted, and more to my
35:28
Speaker 1: point right now, why are prosecutors stonewalling Schandra's mother on
35:34
Speaker 1: retesting the evidence. This case is not over. Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories signing off, goodbye friend,