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Street Farbrengen Episode 97- “Chossid or a cheerleader with pom-poms?” · ChabadLife.TV Street Farbrengen

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: You made the statement that the Rebbe is not the mission, but the mission is Dir Bataktainim.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_02: I don't see how you could distinguish the two, Ruven, and I need you to clarify that.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, Zacharya, explain to me what you mean by you can't separate between the two.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_02: The Rebbe's words are how you have Dirba Taktainim.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_02: The mission meaning the Rebba would mean everything the Rebbe says is what you follow, do, live, breathe, and try to that's the structure.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: But the mission is not following the Rebbe.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: The mission is the objective that the Rebbe has in all of those words that you're learning.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_02: So clarify it more because I'm still hearing you say it's the same thing, and then you're saying no, one is following I don't know, just say it's the same thing.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_02: I spelled it out.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not getting it still.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_02: Explain it more, please.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: Let's let's go right down to the jugular vein, okay?
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: Please.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: You walk into 770 on Friday night, you get the feeling that the icker of the avoidah of a chassid is to say the Rebbe's Mashiach.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: That means he's the mission.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: He's the mission.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: Now I'm not gonna say you don't say all the things the Rebbe said to say, Yiqi and all this kind of stuff that we say about what a Rebbe is, but that's not the that's part of the structure.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: The duba tachtonim, friends, is you, not the reb.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_02: So when you're so you're saying it's where the focus is placed on.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: What's the objective and what's the path to get to that objective?
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_02: But they're saying that the objective is to say that the rebba said to say I am elaborate.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, is that the only thing?
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't say all okay, but when you make it the only thing, they are making the rebba as the mission.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_02: So you're saying that it shouldn't be pointed to an individual, it should be pointed to yourself?
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm saying dirba tachtoinim is the mission, and dirba tahtoinim, yes, is in yourself.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know why you would still say that, because like you just said, the Rebbe said to say Yahya Mount.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: So find the reb.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_02: But that's a Yeah, of course it's a Prat, but everything is a Prat.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_02: The Rebbe said to do an exorbitant amount of things, a lot of which we're not doing.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: And it's all the structure, not and not the mission that the Rebbe said it.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: What the Rebbe said is the mission, is a structure.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: The mission is always the same.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: Dirba Tachhtan, Meshiach.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: But you're making the very simply, we have made the Rebbe the objective in a very subtle or not so subtle way.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: We've abdicated our responsibility in the process.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that I hear because the mission has become the Rebbe.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_01: The Rebbe is self-contained, the Rebbe is chai vakayim and fine and good.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: What about the rest of us?
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: So we're saying it's in a sense, when you go into this is the way I feel, when you go into 770 and you feel that the ickr is the is the rebba is the mission, it's no different to me than the guys who go to 45 kvorim in East Europe to get brachas.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_01: The tzaddik is gonna do it for me.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: So the Lubavij can't say that because the Rebbe said explicitly that he's not gonna do it for us.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: So instead of it doing it for us, we say he is it.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_02: So when you and we forbrained about this idea of like everything, life's a forbring.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_02: But like you we forbrained about the fact that like all of your koikais come from the rebba and everything that you do is come from my nishama and the evasta.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I'm saying that you're attaching yourself to the rebba is attaching yourself to his koikais.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, okay, so we've we've talked a lot about what the rebba does for you within the context of doing your mission.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, that is true.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and the Rebbe said it so many different ways.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: So you're saying we have become Polish or Chasidim in Chabad.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so Polisher Chasidim, okay, so that's a better way of saying that.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that makes it more comfortable for you?
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's comfortable that Chabad has become Polisher Chasidis.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's not so comfortable.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_02: But my point is, is so I I hear what you're saying now.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_02: So in Polish Chasidis, the Rebbe is the mission.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: I am not gonna say that actually directly because I don't think they I don't know if they think in those terms.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: What I'm saying to you is is that making the Rebbe the mission is the idea of making the tsadik being machay mean me.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: Versus versus the rebba says here as he said, the first sicha, here's the tools, machayah yourself.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so the idea, okay, that's a better way I think of understanding it for me.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_02: And so what you want to say is that when you abdicate for the Rebbe to do it for you, I don't think people say those words, but I think that's what's happening.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_02: Besides in your Friday night example, where do you see that happening?
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_01: I learned the mimer, I f and I walk away from it.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't put it into poil.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: But I learned the Rebbe's Mimur.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_01: I did khitas, has no effect on my life, except that I had to do it.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_01: It comes down to something very simple.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: If you don't have mission, you don't have drive.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: Drive and mission are the same, right?
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: So what's your drive in your morning when you get up?
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_01: What's your drive?
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: You don't need to answer me that.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: What's your drive all day long being a yid?
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_01: So for the average guy, orthodox guy is getting things done.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: Just do it.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: But a chosid doesn't live that way.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: What's the chasid's drive?
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_01: Internal, the internal world.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_01: And my internal world is my Ratsun, my oinig, my seikel, my maqshava, my dibra, myself.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: Fine.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: And the rebba is going to give me fodder for my thought, as they say, right?
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: Penny for your thoughts, fodder for your thought.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_01: He's going to give me the way to connect and feel God.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever you're translating your mission of connecting to the Avishta is.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: But he's not the one who's going to do it for you.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that I don't even think the Rebbe wants you to do that.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know what I'm saying?
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_01: That what I'm saying, I don't think is so revolutionary.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_02: No, I don't know.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you said you were a you don't understand and you disagree with it.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I uh I first of all I was asking for clarification, but um, yes, I did say that I don't agree with it.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's more it's it's just harder to understand how you would say that based off of the Rebbe focus that Chabad pushes.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm challenging.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_02: And and I don't know if you're challenging it.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_02: I am I well I I I hear that you are, but I don't know if you really are because I really am.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_02: Because because nobody will say those people who those people myself who learn the mimer and don't have the poil and who learn do chitas and rabam say, you know, what was the the big line in posters all over Crown Heights was don't don't do chitas and rabbam learn it or something like that.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: I guess so.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_02: So I I don't think anybody would disagree with it, but you're saying it more as an institutional idea that this is what we've become.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_02: Why are you saying that?
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_02: Where is it?
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: Because we've abdicated the agency of being a chasid.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you something.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: The more that you get in touch with yourself, that you have self-agency, the more battle you are to the rebba, but it's not your mission.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: The rebba is self- your mo your mission is not mysrabainu.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: You have a mash rabainu inside of you, right?
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: We learned that Tanya says it, right?
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm not suggesting that the Rebbe doesn't have the most major role in your life of an individual.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: But we are the job of our job is not to become a cheerleader, cheerleader with pom-poms.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_02: I can just picture you who has a cheerleader with pom-poms.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_02: But um, okay, yes, I hear you.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that for a lot of people that's what their connection to the Rebbe is.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um at least on the outside, I don't know what's going on in people's, you know, deep just the the structure, the the rhetoric and so forth is that.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I I could understand where you're coming from when it comes to Mashiach, that the Rebbe is going to even more than that.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_02: No, I I'm um I know that's what you're saying, but I'm saying I see it very clearly that okay, the Rebbe is gonna come, Mashiach is gonna come fix your problems, you don't have to didn't the Rebbe say Ad Masai?
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: And and you're an avoid the Panimius and uh uh Gallus Panimi in Avoidas Hashem.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't say you don't get me.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's not what he was saying.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: On the contrary, that is exactly what he's saying that he didn't want, because he says, You go and you get all excited because I get excited.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_02: No, I I I understand that.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_02: So I guess that's I guess that's what you're saying is that if you're getting excited because the Rebbe is excited, then you're doing it because he's the mission.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_02: But if you're doing it because you're excited, then it's you're taking ownership and you're making it, and you're making it as you're uh that it's coming from you.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I obviously I I'm I was excited when I saw the Rebbe excited.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you've never seen the Rebbe excited, I mean except for gem videos.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: But obviously we were excited when there was so don't quite say it that way, but go to that Sikha.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_02: I know, I I I understand.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: So let's put it down on a more subtle level.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: Please.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: A subtler level is you learn a mimer from Samakvav and you say, wow, what an incredible concept, what an incredible idea.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: What amazing pshat, which is more Adrchasidim way of saying things, right?
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's making, in a sense, the mimer the mission.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: Just simply put, where does Dira Patak Tainim take place?
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: It takes place within you.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so you're the mission.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: And your avoid is the mission.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: And we learn it from Rosh Hashanah, we say Allah Mahshavay, that the Avishta wanted to create the world, who did he consult with, Ban Nishmasem, so Siddhim with the souls of Tsadikim, who are the souls of Tsadikim, Zahari and Ruvain sitting at the table talking about this.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_01: So it's about us.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and so when you and we just learned in a Mimur that that Sadikim is not even the Ikr.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: We learned that.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what is Balichuvas who fall down and fail and then change themselves.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so explain to me.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: So how could the Rebbe be the mission?
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: Even with Sadiq Abishta, the Rebbe is not the mission.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: The mission is you.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: Now I know that sounds like blasphemous because we know how great the Reb is and how small we are, but it's it's not the mission.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: I I I'm starting to get it.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_02: Again, I I challenged it because I I really did want clarity.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: I I wasn't even necessarily saying you were wrong, but the but the uh kind.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's just it but yeah, it's very hard because you Ask yourself why it's hard.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_02: Why do you think because I don't feel like I have the kochis and I don't have the ability to rely on the Rebbe to bring Mashiach and I will rely on the Rebbe?
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, not not to bring Mashiach.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody says it's that that you have to make it that your mitzvah is going to bring Mashiach, but your your mitzvah to bring Mashiach is then going to cause what?
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_02: What does causing bringing Mashiach mean?
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_02: So if it's like Mashiach then does everything for you afterwards, you're Don't worry about Apple afterwards.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's an extremely important point because because what I'm saying is they may be holding to the fact that they're the mission right now, but they're not the mission in the future when Mashiach comes.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_02: What the hell does that I'm I'm trying to explain?
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: If you're working toward a great I'm gonna I heard a great line this yes to today.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: A comedian was talking to Johnny Carson and he says to him, When someone is in hell, what do they say to someone when they want to tell them to go to hell?
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: So go on, I'm sorry.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_02: So if your entire focus is on bringing Mashiach in order that Mashiach should come and fix your problems, the Well, that's not the Avoida.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: That's not the Avoida.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: So that's not your mission.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm agreeing, but I'm saying a lot of people focus.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's a different discussion.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: I think this is another angle of what you're describing, which is I'm not saying the Rebbe is the mission.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_02: The mission is Dir Pataktain and bringing Mashiach and Gula and revealing that in the world.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_03: Right, but I'm impotent.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_02: But once you do that, then I'm off the hook.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_02: Then I don't have to do any avoida, then I don't have to worry about all of my problems and all of my situations uh that I'm currently stuck in, and I'm a hundred percent guilty of this.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas basically means you're lazy.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: Why am I lazy?
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: I'm doing everything that I can right now to bring Mashiach.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying is the difference.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: Wait, wait a second, wait a second.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: What are you doing?
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_02: I'm saying what whatever a person says they're doing to do it.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: But we're saying but you just gave it the scenario that he's doing it to get rid of his problems.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but he's he's taking ownership of having to bring Mashiach, though.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_02: He learns the Rebbe Sikhs in the Maharam.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_02: He screams out what the Rebbe says that it's taken in the earth.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so that's what that's what I'm saying.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I was bringing out a way that And therefore you go to ayahuasca weekends because that's gonna make me a better person and a more together person.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's no different, by the way.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: The Rebbe's not ayahuasca.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, of course it's a challenge.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: So what?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: All of life is a challenge.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Being a Jew in the world when the whole world is so upside down and against us is a challenge.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: And it's I mean it's a lot less challengeable challenging than Stalin was I think.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: But they didn't maybe it's subtle, maybe it's not, but uh you know you know look at there's two things here.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: I lived with before Gimel Thomas and you're a Tsuga Kumana.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: You chose to walk in the door.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: You and I have no idea what it's like to be born in I don't know, 2000, and now I am twenty-five years old.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: And what does it mean to be a Lebaviger?
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: What does it mean to be a chasset?
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's not an easy go after Gimel Thomas.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: And if you make I was at a Lebavija institution and they have a pamphlet for it was a girl's uh uh um educational environment, and they have a pamphlet uh as which is essentially a duh to the rebba.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: Every day you write a duh for a month, and the question is what did I do today to make the Rebbe proud of me?
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Is that mission or structure?
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: That would be making the rebba mission.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: What would be sh the mission the way I'm saying it?
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: Write to the Rebbe how you're feeling and what you're just what you're doing to reveal that's a little weak.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: Write to the Rebbe and say, Rebbe, this is what I'm proud of having done.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: Now, first of all, even before Gimel Thomas, that's a lot stronger statement about the self.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot more, especially for a 16-year-old, a lot more um nurturing.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: How much more so after Gimel Thomas?
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's actually very funny because the people who went to the Rebbe looking for the Rebbe to be proud of their accomplishments usually were very disappointed with the Rebbe's reaction or response.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: Because when they said, because they were looking for the Rebbe's agreement.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: I got it.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: I got it.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's not what I'm saying.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, that's not what you write.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: The Rebbe's agreement.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: What are you gonna do?
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: Have this kid who's 16 years old in high school writes to the Rebbe, I am very proud I did this today, because I'm working on the avoid of Dirba Takhtani, if we're gonna put it in our conversation.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: You think the re there's a worry here that he's what was that person expecting?
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: The Rebbe's gonna nod his head, he's gonna say, You're doing great.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: Take a break and go to Florida for Shabbos and have a fabring in the keys.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I got it.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get real.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: I got it.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: I got it.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I'm saying that's yeah, I'm saying even before Gimel Thomas, it was this idea.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I thought you were saying the opposite.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, you weren't listening.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: No, I heard, but I thought you said the opposite.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: The rebut say was never enough.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but I thought you were saying that the persons should feel it's enough when they wrote to the Rebbe.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: If you know what the Rebbe is all about, then you know when you write to the Rebbe that isn't you're not stopping.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: So put in the put in this duh, because it was all pre-printed questions.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Put in the duh, I continue doing what I did yesterday and I did more.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: This is what I did more, and I'm proud.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: So it gives the message of doing more.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_02: I get it.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: I get that.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: So why aren't we thinking like that?
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe some people are, but I don't see it in the people that I'm around.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: Why aren't we thinking like that?
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: So what's missing?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_02: I remember somebody once telling me that for them, and they were, you know, many they were they were anyway, whatever.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: That I remember somebody telling me that for them, and they never saw the Rebbe, but for them, Hashem, they can't see, they can't touch, they can't experience.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_02: So it's it's a hard relationship.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: The Rebbe they at least could feel like they have a connection to.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_02: So like they believe in the Rebba.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly making the Rebbe the mission, because what is Dirba Takotoinim?
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: Is this indiv this entity that you just said you can't relate to, that you can.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_02: I I that's why I'm answering your question.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_02: So um you you asked the question why why is it like that way?
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's because I feel like people have this idea in their mind that this is something that they could attach themselves to, this is something they could hold on to, and therefore it's something that you're going to be able to get, you know, 16-year-old, you know, shlami.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: So I take it back.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: I take it back.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: Chabad isn't becoming Polishul.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: Chabad is being if that kind of thinking is Litvish.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: How so?
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: Because the the the Litvisha Roshiva, who's so smart and so amazing, is my hero, and I relate to him.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: And he's my focus in Sekol and Tira.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: Which is not wrong, I'm not saying it's wrong, but I'm saying So what you know is what we get at what we're talking about that most people feel taqah impotent that they have no Kekhas, that they're nothing.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: By the way, that what you're touching on is the whole khidish of Chasidis.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: Because you're telling me people can't relate to the Abhishta himself, so they're gonna relate to the Rebbe, who they also can't see by the way, but that's besides the point.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not gonna get into theological questions on that.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: But that was the holy s that's the whole kiddosh of Khabad Chasidis.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: Although Rebbe says, He lays it out quite quite clear in Lakutera.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: That which is Lamaila mean a sechel, which means I can't grasp it, I can't relate to it, I can't see it, comes into Sekel.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: And now I can relate to it.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's the whole essence of all the Rebbe's chasidis.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: I say the Rebbe particularly.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_02: No, I got that.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: I got that.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: So it's and we go back to what does it mean, Gallus Panemi and a voidashem?
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: What is this I I'm so fascinated by the line.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: What does it mean, Galluspanimi?
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Does that mean you're the Panemius in Gallus or your Panemius is in Gallus?
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: That's a good question.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_02: I think you could see it either way.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, just go ahead.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: To me, gallus panimi means you don't feel your own power.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: And the Lubavitch line when I was in Yeshiva, which at least whatever that was for so little amount of time, is Takah Zoy.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: You have no power.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: The Reb is everything.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: Or you have no power.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: And it's true that God is everything, but you have no power.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: You're nothing.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: You're nothing.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: You're nothing is the most debilitating, corrupt communication of what Chasidis is telling us, in my estimation.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: And it's the root of all evil.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: The Goyim say money is the root of all evil.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: You're nothing in your butt is the root of all evil in Mubavage.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's funny because I think there's a except for the guys at the top who are controlling the money, controlling the communication.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: They don't say that they're nothing.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's funny because I could see the and I could even see it in Chabad, the ones who are fed up with it, but then take it the the other wrong way, where they go outside of Hasidis.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you were mentioning ayahuasca, but like it I think it could even be in learning or it could be in in in other areas that they distance themselves from Hasidis because the way that it's taught, I think, is Reba mission versus actually to do a voida with it.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: And so they don't feel satisfied with the way that Hasidis is being taught and brought out for practical.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I hear that.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: So, in other words, when you go to a non-Labavature environment, every idea that you understand, you make yourself bigger.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's the objective.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: Is you're saying so that's what you're describing.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're learning chassidis, you're being told the more you learn chasidis, the more you're a nothing.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: Again, it's so simple what the mistake is, and I don't know, and I don't understand why it's being communicated that way.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: But it seems to be a common communication.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um and you know what?
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: We see what's going on, we see the effect of it, we see the the fruits or the rotten fruits from it.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not just that we're doing something wrong.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's not the avoida of what the Rebbe spoke about, Zmanna Mashiach.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: And therefore people are unsatisfied because they're on that level to be full agency.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: We're we're afraid full agency is gonna lead to mixed dancing.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it has had uh similar initiatives have had challenging results in the past.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: So the fear what are you referring to?
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, like, whatever.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: Regardless, I I could see where that me what that means.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_02: And what I'm saying to you is so how do you prevent that?
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_02: How do you take that risk, danger, or whatever you want to call it, and make sure that you stay on the path of the mission, Romain?
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: So what what what are you actually asking that if I teach if I teach that so to speak, I'm the mission and I'm powerful, that would lead to ego, what's the gonna what's the problem?
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: Ego, mixed dancing, making up things, going off from what the Rebbe said I don't know.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so so it's very interesting because we s I see this phenomenon all over the place.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: It has nothing to do with chabad or not chabad in the community that we're in.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like you take a spiritual you know when you see it?
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's give it as an example.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: The Rebbe said what he said about Mashiach, he said about living in the Zman of Mashiach, he said we're the generation of Mashiach, so therefore I don't need to wear a shaytl.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's is that encompass is that embracing power or not?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's embracing delusion.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, it's embracing delusion, but would they think it's embracing power?
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, of course, that's honestly one of the examples I had in mind.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a mind reader.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so should the Rebbe not have said it?
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: Of course not, of course not.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_02: It was true, it's true.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so how do you avoid this corrupted thinking?
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because it comes down to something that's very tricky, and that is Bittle creates power, not impotency.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: And what I mean by that is that your bottle to something greater than you doesn't mean you cancel yourself out.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: It means you absorb yourself into that greater power, and therefore you tap into it, right?
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: But the greater power tells you you have to wear a shaytal.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: When it's ego-based, when it's my satisfaction based, when it which is not dir batachonium, and when it's I want to be, I'm sure these people were picking on women, that they are freer because they don't have to wear a shaitul.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: So therefore it's not bittle to a higher power.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's just corruption of the concept of what the Rebbe is saying.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm saying I'm just saying that there's the danger of Okay, there's a danger of going into Oilamhza from Shemayam and coming down here.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_02: I think making the Rebbe the mission takes away some of that risk.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: It takes it puts on a tremendous amount of risk.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: You following the Rebbe's dictates takes away the risk.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: But the Rebbe himself is not the mission.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: I I'm I I got that question.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: Well you just said that the office.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm saying that that's the that's the payoff.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_02: You love that term.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_02: What's the payoff of making the Rebbe the mission?
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I think this is one of the things that it could potentially avoid.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's correct to do it, but I'm saying this is this is I think what the payoff is.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm not following you.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_02: The payoff.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, Ruben, you're always talking about what's the payoff.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_02: I've got what payoff means.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_02: I don't follow what the payoff is.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_02: So let me just ask you, and you just answer your own way then.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_02: What's the payoff for making the reb of the mission?
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to be responsible for what you do.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_02: So therefore, people don't have to be, they don't have to go into their power, they don't have to be responsible.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_02: And what that does, what what creating or keeping a person weak does, is it doesn't make them feel like they can veer because there's no there's no place to veer to.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: If the Rebbe is the focus, I'm just veer from, yeah.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: Rebba as the mission is like using Ozampek.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: And and following a nutritionist to lose weight and going to the gym is the mission.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: I got I got that.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_02: And and so that's why I'm saying those people who go off or who veer in the inappropriate way, they're okay.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: We give an example of Shaytil inappropriate way.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: Let's be a little more subtle.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we're coming to Yotes Kislav.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: And the Friliqareb is very clear.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: He mentions it many times that the Balshamtav and the particularly the Alta Reb, excuse me, says, What's the purpose of Chasidis?
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know what he says?
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: Change the nature of your middois.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: You think the Rebbe's gonna wave a wand and do that?
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_02: It would be nice.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: You think some guy came to me last week with a major, major, major, major, major issue, which I'm not gonna a personal issue which I'm not gonna talk about.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: And he wanted to know if he I never met him before.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: In in since we never exchanged conversation, he knew me because I used to, because I was learning in a in a in a in a place where he was sitting.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: And with you I was learning.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: And he says, Do you know what anything about ayahuasca?
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: He's asking like me, the think about the Ashkaka Prothers and that.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: And his question was, could his major issue be removed by ayahuasca?
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: Could your major issue be removed by the Rebbe?
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: The Rebbe says it clearly, the Philippine Rebbe says it clearly, I can give you brachas.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: Brachas is like rain, but you gotta plow the earth, you gotta take away the rocks, you gotta plant the seeds, you gotta take away the weeds, etc.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: etc.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: So we're especially after Gimel Thomas.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: If you're ex if you're if we are inspired by a mimer today, inspired by the mimer, and inspired by a sikha, then we're living in a world of that the intellectual satisfaction is the mission.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the whole khitsha, this is it's not.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: The intellect the the satisfaction and the greatest joy is like the uh Al-Tarabba said, when you're Mashana Tevami Dysov.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: And to be changing your nature, and I'm not saying I have done that, so don't get me wrong.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm still the same puts as I was when I walked in the first time to the doors of Mordestown.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: But the bottom line is that at least I know that it's an objective, and it's not that.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: And you people talk about finding themselves.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know, a lot of talk about that.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm finding myself.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know who I am.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: Who you who you are?
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: Change your meatos.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's who you are.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: You're the changer.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_03: Got it.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so I think the mission has become a little clearer.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_02: And uh now it's time to change those meetos after all these years, Ruby.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, I don't know if I'm into that.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'll have to see if I can.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_02: Well, is it a part of your objectives?
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: Is it part of your to-do list that you've made, your mission, your focus, your goals?
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: I have a fear that if I change my meat, life will be so boring.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's an interesting uh thing to delve into.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you want to open up to that.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: We we to be continued.