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NFL Offseason Mailbag: Browns-Rams Trade Dissected, Jared Verse's Ceiling, Andrew Berry's Rebuild Vision + Rams GM Les Snead's Art of the Big Swing · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The volume, What is going on?
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  Speaker 2: My people, John Middlecoff three, and our podcast How are
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  Speaker 2: we doing? Hopefully everyone's doing as well as Miles Garrett.
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  Speaker 2: You had a big smile on today. I watched Andrew
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  Speaker 2: Berry's press conference in Cleveland. I watched Lesnide McVeigh with
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  Speaker 2: Miles Garrett today in Los Angeles, and yeah, I I
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  Speaker 2: was planning on just doing a big mail bag, but
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I I take you about twenty four
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  Speaker 2: hours one of the biggest trades in NFL history. I'll
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  Speaker 2: kind of rehash some stuff that I've been thinking about,
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  Speaker 2: and then we'll go into the mail bag, which the
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  Speaker 2: first four or five questions are heavily on this topic anyway.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's gotta be one of the biggest. Didn't
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  Speaker 2: see that one coming on June first, that we'll ever
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  Speaker 2: get as long as I've been doing this. So and
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  Speaker 2: I'm not mad at it. I mean, you're gonna give
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  Speaker 2: me a trade like that when I need to put
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  Speaker 2: together a podcast in June, I'm all for it. I
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  Speaker 2: could use another one this week as well, so or
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  Speaker 2: next actually save it next week, save it for next week.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's the game plan today. You guys know,
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  Speaker 2: We got any content that doesn't make it onto the podcast,
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  Speaker 2: you can go check that out as well. And let's
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  Speaker 2: talk some Let's talk some Rams Browns. I want to
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  Speaker 2: start with less sneed and just the Rams philosophical belief
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  Speaker 2: on how to operate. And there are two types of
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  Speaker 2: people that I really admire just personally professionally. And I've
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  Speaker 2: said this forever with I mean, it's much more tangible
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  Speaker 2: with athletes, but anyone that knows people that own businesses,
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  Speaker 2: small businesses, medium sized businesses, whatever, and they get like
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  Speaker 2: their sixties or seventies, and they still show up at
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  Speaker 2: the office all the time, and they still want to
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  Speaker 2: know what's going on and they're still heavily involved. It's like, bro,
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  Speaker 2: you've made all the money, you do not need to
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  Speaker 2: do this, And it's like kind of all they know,
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  Speaker 2: and they just kind of like being in the in
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  Speaker 2: the mix. They like doing deals. You know, Tom Brady
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  Speaker 2: playing at forty four, forty five years old, it's like,
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  Speaker 2: why are you doing this Aaron Rodgers this year? It's
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  Speaker 2: so yeah, he's making twenty five million dollars, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: twenty five million dollars is changing his life zero percent.
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  Speaker 2: Unless he's blown a bunch of money that we don't
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  Speaker 2: know about, it is going to have zero material impact
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  Speaker 2: on the guy's life. He just likes playing ball. Proved
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  Speaker 2: it last year when he played through a broken hand,
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  Speaker 2: not making that much money relative to what he was
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  Speaker 2: used to making. And I hope that about myself if
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  Speaker 2: I'm ever lucky enough to be in a position where
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  Speaker 2: it's like you don't have to work, It's like, no,
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  Speaker 2: I like to grind. I like to do this. And
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  Speaker 2: you watch all these people and you just like, I
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  Speaker 2: want to be like that and keep that mindset as
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  Speaker 2: I age and the other thing. And these are the
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  Speaker 2: type people that I admire the most are people with
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  Speaker 2: fucking balls, people with stones, people that aren't afraid to
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  Speaker 2: step into the batter's box and take a big swing,
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  Speaker 2: because you know what, in life, nothing is guaranteed landing
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  Speaker 2: Miles Garrett. Sean McVay said it today guarantees you nothing.
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  Speaker 2: He even used the example, do you guys know who
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  Speaker 2: the betting favorite to win the Super Bowl last year
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  Speaker 2: around this time of year was he said, no, you
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  Speaker 2: guys don't, none of you remember I do. It was
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  Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens and they were like almost four to one.
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  Speaker 2: Guess what happened. They went eight nine. They missed the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: Now based on injuries going into the season, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Meta Bouquet missed the miss the season. But no one
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  Speaker 2: thought the Baltimore Ravens weren't gonna make the playoffs and
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  Speaker 2: John Harball would get fired. There were a lot of
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  Speaker 2: really really rich people in two thousand and six and
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and seven who did not have much by
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and nine. Things change fast. This life is
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  Speaker 2: not guarantee, he'd on the field. In the business world, personally,
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  Speaker 2: our own health, things change on a dime immediately. But
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  Speaker 2: you can't live scared, you can't function scared and less snead.
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  Speaker 2: I looked at it yesterday for Miles Garrett, Trent McDuffie,
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  Speaker 2: and Matt Stafford. They have given a twenty two first
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  Speaker 2: round pick. They've given a twenty three first round pick,
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  Speaker 2: which was pick six. They gave a twenty six first
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  Speaker 2: round pick for McDuffie. They'll give a twenty seven first
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  Speaker 2: round pick for this Miles Garrett Tray. That's four first
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  Speaker 2: round picks, a second, and a third. Oh and Jared
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  Speaker 2: Goff who was the number one overall pick, who's made
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  Speaker 2: Pro Bowl since he's been in Detroit, and the defensive
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  Speaker 2: rookie of the year's made back to back Pro Bowls,
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  Speaker 2: including those picks for those three players, like, he is
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  Speaker 2: giving up a lot to get a lot, but he
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  Speaker 2: is not afraid to do that. And I think a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people. I remember when I worked for a
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  Speaker 2: short period of time in Corporate America. I was around
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  Speaker 2: all these like managers who were making I mean at
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  Speaker 2: the time it would have been two hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 2: three hundred and four hundred grand, you know, running these
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  Speaker 2: radio stations. And they never wanted upset the Apple card.
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  Speaker 2: They never wanted to piss anyone off below them or
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  Speaker 2: above them. They just kind of wanted to maintain the
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  Speaker 2: status quo so that money kept coming in. I remember
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  Speaker 2: being around them, and I had been in football my
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  Speaker 2: entire professional career up until that point, thinking these guys
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  Speaker 2: are fucking losers, like this is not working. But they
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  Speaker 2: never wanted to change anything, because if they make a change,
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  Speaker 2: then the bulls eyes on them and they could lose
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  Speaker 2: that precious job, which ironically most of them blown out
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  Speaker 2: since because the industry dramatically changed. And I'm sure many
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  Speaker 2: of you guys, especially younger people, when you start coming up,
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  Speaker 2: you get in these corporate situations. People want to hold on.
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  Speaker 2: They don't want to give up because if they do
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  Speaker 2: and they make a change, then everyone's looking at them.
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  Speaker 2: It's easy to just maintain what is kind of working,
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  Speaker 2: and nothing is kind of working like what's happening with
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  Speaker 2: the Rams. They've been in the playoffs the last couple
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  Speaker 2: of years. They've been at player two away from last
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  Speaker 2: year being in the super Bowl, the previous year playing
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  Speaker 2: the Commanders in the Championship Game where they would have
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  Speaker 2: been favored. I mean, they've been really, really close. You
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  Speaker 2: don't need to do anything, and they already made a
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  Speaker 2: big splash this offseason and getting Trent McDuffie. Hell, I
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  Speaker 2: even go back to the Ty Simpson thing. I don't
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  Speaker 2: agree with the pick. I don't see the value there.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he's a long term starter in the
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  Speaker 2: NFL based on what I watched this year at Alabama.
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  Speaker 2: I also think the risk profile of a guy that
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  Speaker 2: hasn't started that much, it's too risky to use that
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  Speaker 2: value of a pick on a guy with that many
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  Speaker 2: question marks. But Lesnie doesn't operate that way. He sees
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  Speaker 2: enough value there to say fuck it, take a swing
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  Speaker 2: and the other thing. And a lot of you guys
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  Speaker 2: listening that are in sales, and we got the question
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  Speaker 2: recently on a mail bag about a dating opportunity in
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  Speaker 2: the office and the risk reward. And I was talking
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  Speaker 2: to my wife about that question since and she knows
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people that got married. You know, she
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  Speaker 2: worked in corporate America before she got involved in real estate,
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  Speaker 2: and she's hold multiple houses to different couples that met
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  Speaker 2: through their job in the corporate setting in which she worked.
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  Speaker 2: And I think sometimes when you are in a position
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  Speaker 2: to make a decision and you get told or want
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  Speaker 2: something because that's what the rams wanted, right, they wanted
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  Speaker 2: Miles Garrett, they heard no. How many people that are
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  Speaker 2: happily married with children that go on to live long
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  Speaker 2: lives were maybe told no the first time that they
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  Speaker 2: tried to get a date with their wife. How many
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  Speaker 2: people in sales that end up making the biggest sale
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  Speaker 2: of their career, don't get an email back the first
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  Speaker 2: time they reach out to that potential client. They don't
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  Speaker 2: get a callback, they get told no, we're not interested.
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  Speaker 2: That's part of life and less sneed. And Andrew Berry
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  Speaker 2: talked about this. They have been on this for years
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  Speaker 2: and they have heard no over and over and over.
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  Speaker 2: The majority of people say, okay, good, I'll just move on.
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  Speaker 2: I actually saw this clip on Instagram. It was one
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  Speaker 2: of those classic like reels of a podcast mixed up
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  Speaker 2: and it was a guy talking like why in a
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  Speaker 2: lot of different companies, salespeople make a lot more money
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  Speaker 2: than the majority of people. Besides like the CEO and
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  Speaker 2: maybe the CFO. Why Because they generate the most money,
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  Speaker 2: they also eat the most shit. It's not an easy gig.
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  Speaker 2: Most people do not have the mental fortitude or thick
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  Speaker 2: skin to handle it. Cause even if you're a successful guy,
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  Speaker 2: you're getting told no constantly. And part of being a
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  Speaker 2: deal maker in any line of work and specifically pro
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  Speaker 2: sports is like you're gonna be on the wrong end
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  Speaker 2: of it a lot, and you know when you try
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  Speaker 2: to make some of these deals happen. There's a reason
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  Speaker 2: that all these gms say, listen, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: discussions that don't lead to anything. There are a lot
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  Speaker 2: of discussions that I reach out and I'm told that
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  Speaker 2: ain't happening. Welcome to your gig. That's what you're paid
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  Speaker 2: to do. And the one thing less Neat is excellent
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  Speaker 2: about is being relentless of his pursuit of the things
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  Speaker 2: he wants. And he's obviously willing to quote unquote overpay
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  Speaker 2: or pay a premium to get what he wants. And
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people, whether it's in football, whether it's
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  Speaker 2: in the jobs you guys have, are just not because
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  Speaker 2: the risk, Like I said, just go back. I remember
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  Speaker 2: graduating college into the financial great financial crisis. I've met
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  Speaker 2: so many people since that were telling me about like
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  Speaker 2: how great things were in especially anyone involved in real
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  Speaker 2: estate in like four h five oh six, and then
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  Speaker 2: things came to a screeching halt. Well, if you were
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  Speaker 2: in it five and o six, you didn't see that
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  Speaker 2: thing coming, or you would have saved and you would
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  Speaker 2: have got out. But everyone worked right into it and
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  Speaker 2: got blown the fuck up. And I think less Seed
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  Speaker 2: is just unafraid to get blown up because it would
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  Speaker 2: have been easy to not do this. He already had
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  Speaker 2: a young, ascending player that does not need to get
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  Speaker 2: paid for multiple years. Now. Obviously this guy is better,
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  Speaker 2: but he did not need to make this deal because
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  Speaker 2: when you do this, it puts even more pressure on you.
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  Speaker 2: Not only is everyone saying they're the betting favorite, but
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  Speaker 2: how do you not win the Super Bowl. No one's
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  Speaker 2: ever had the MVP and the reigning defensive Player of
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  Speaker 2: the Year on the same team. It's unheard of, right,
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  Speaker 2: It's I remember being a kid like Packers they had
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  Speaker 2: Reggie White and Brettfarv even a couple of years before
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  Speaker 2: Steve we forty nine Ers almost said we it was
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  Speaker 2: we back then signed Dean Sanders with Steve Young, MVP
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  Speaker 2: of the League, Best defensive Player Boom super Bowl. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: if you have an MVP int it and a dominant
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  Speaker 2: defensive player likes it becomes a little like basketball. If
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  Speaker 2: you have the impact of those two guys, it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be hard to not be elite. And the thing with football, though,
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  Speaker 2: is there's no guarantee. We've seen a lot of great
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  Speaker 2: teams on paper not come to fruition. But I have
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  Speaker 2: the utmost respect even if I don't agree with every
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  Speaker 2: individual move over the course of the last five six years.
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  Speaker 2: Some of them are easy, right. I mean, I do
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  Speaker 2: not think they regret the Lions Stafford trade obviously, but
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  Speaker 2: the Lions don't regret that trade either. And the McDuffie
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  Speaker 2: trade's an easy one as well. If you're willing to
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  Speaker 2: pay him pick twenty nine here give me a pro
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  Speaker 2: Bowl corner. I think this one though, it's like, this
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  Speaker 2: puts even more pressure on you. And the one thing
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  Speaker 2: this organization does not afraid of is the spotlight in
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  Speaker 2: the pressure. And I do think if you go back
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  Speaker 2: a couple of years, this has been a pretty dramatic shift.
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  Speaker 2: They got out bid once upon a time for Christian
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  Speaker 2: McCaffrey because they were offering a third and fourth of
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  Speaker 2: the nine ers throwing a second round pick. And I
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  Speaker 2: just think this version of them is not getting out
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  Speaker 2: bid for anything. And this version of them is not
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  Speaker 2: just not calling you back because you say no. And
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  Speaker 2: let's face it, a lot of people do not call
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  Speaker 2: back when they hear now and then a year later,
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  Speaker 2: five years later, they were just bitching a moaning and
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  Speaker 2: playing the victim and complaining. It's like, yeah, life is
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  Speaker 2: not that complicated. Usually successful people all have similar qualities
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  Speaker 2: and McVeigh unless the tandem of willingness to the aggression
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  Speaker 2: take big swings is very, very admirable. And speaking to
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Berry, I do think I do believe him. When
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  Speaker 2: they kept asking him like, why didn't you shop him,
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  Speaker 2: He's like, because we were never shopping him. They just
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  Speaker 2: kept calling us and asking for the player and offering
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  Speaker 2: more and more and more, and then they got to
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  Speaker 2: a point when they included Jared Vers that we couldn't
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  Speaker 2: say no. The analogy that everyone uses, and I've used
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  Speaker 2: it before, is like if someone knocks on your door
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  Speaker 2: and offers you twenty percent more than your house is worth. Well,
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  Speaker 2: if the interest rates are high and you don't have
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  Speaker 2: anywhere to move and you like your house, it ain't
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  Speaker 2: worth it, even if you could make a little profit.
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  Speaker 2: Such a pain in the ass to move. But if
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  Speaker 2: I knock on your door and double your home's value,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna think long and hard about it. If I
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  Speaker 2: triple it, you'd be crazy to not have the moving
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  Speaker 2: trucks there two days later. And I think sometimes you
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  Speaker 2: get offered something that you go, well, we're going nowhere.
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  Speaker 2: This guy still has a ton of value that if
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  Speaker 2: we did shop him and he brought up a good point,
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  Speaker 2: we were only going to trade him if we hit
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  Speaker 2: a couple factors draft compensation. Obviously we were going to
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  Speaker 2: need a young player back, and there'll probably be other
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  Speaker 2: teams that could offer young, impactful players. But the unique
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  Speaker 2: part about this deal is they were offering a young,
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  Speaker 2: ascending player that plays his position. So if I just
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  Speaker 2: remove Miles Garrett and someone offered me the equivalent of
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  Speaker 2: verse at tight end, at wide, receiver, at corner or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: I have a massive, massive hole at pass rusher, well
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  Speaker 2: Jared versus not Miles Garrett. But he is a pro
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  Speaker 2: Bowl to me Erro pointing up guy that should be
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  Speaker 2: a double digit sack player for the next several years.
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  Speaker 2: And I think they feel pretty good about it. And
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  Speaker 2: they get a guy that's also on a cost control deal,
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  Speaker 2: so an Miles gets, you know, to go to a
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  Speaker 2: team that has the expectations that you feel good about.
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  Speaker 2: You're not screwing a guy that has kind of been
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  Speaker 2: one of the bright spots for a pretty embarrassing operation.
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  Speaker 2: And you watch Andrew Berry and I have been very
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  Speaker 2: critical because, uh, I do think sometimes like the analytically
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  Speaker 2: driven general managers and sports always get a longer rope
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  Speaker 2: with criticism when it comes to the media because the
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  Speaker 2: media sees like they're equal in terms of intellectual capacity.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Berry now played college football at the in the
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  Speaker 2: IVY League. I think he knows players based on his
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  Speaker 2: last couple of years of doing deals. I think he's
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  Speaker 2: done a really, really good job. And I've always defended him.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't have inside information on this about the
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  Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson thing, I'm putting that one on the owner.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to defend him. On the Dylan Gabriel thing.
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  Speaker 2: That felt like a heavy Stefanski pick because I just
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  Speaker 2: watched Stefanski sign toa I've always been even more critical
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  Speaker 2: of Stefanski, who I clearly don't think those quarterbacks very
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  Speaker 2: well at all. Like he did have Baker Mayfield that
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  Speaker 2: he could have worked with, couldn't now maybe Baker was
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  Speaker 2: a little immature, but still like it's kind of on you,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's like, that's your gig. And then you
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  Speaker 2: wanted Dylan Gabriel, like a guy that most people would
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  Speaker 2: have had as an undrafted free agent and clearly is
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  Speaker 2: not an NFL quarterback. And then you immediately go to Tua.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, come on, man, like, not everyone's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes, but you gotta look through a different lens.
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  Speaker 2: And I watch Andrew Berry doing these deals like I
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  Speaker 2: think he knows what he's doing. Now. From a coaching standpoint,
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  Speaker 2: it's hard to get people to take their job. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: years ago people thought Cassarrio was crazy. Well, no one
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  Speaker 2: would take the Houston Texans job. That's why they had
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  Speaker 2: to sign David Kelly. That's why they went with Lovey Smith,
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  Speaker 2: who was a defensive coordinator, because it was toxic, and
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  Speaker 2: then it became non toxic and they could get a
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  Speaker 2: real coach. And I do think the Browns are kind
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  Speaker 2: of laying that foundation of a lot of really good players,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of young ascending players. They're just gonna have
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  Speaker 2: to figure out the coach in the quarterback and maybe
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  Speaker 2: Bunkin is that guy. I would probably bet against it,
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  Speaker 2: but I do think their GM has proven to being really,
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  Speaker 2: really dynamic. Today's show is brought to you by our
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• 17:18
  Speaker 2: lot of football on the show, but it's the NBA Finals,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: not gonna lie I don't like the Knicks. I love
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: the Knicks. I got in on them probably ten days
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  Speaker 2: ago at four to one. Now they're here. They are
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: currently on hard Rock bet plus one sixty to win
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  Speaker 2: the NBA Finals. They are also an underdog in Game
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  Speaker 2: one in San Antonio on Wednesday night. They're four and
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  Speaker 2: a half point underdog. You know, Victor Webman Yama's favored
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  Speaker 2: to win the MVP. San Antonio's favorite to win this series.
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  Speaker 2: I believe it's the next time. And obviously, if you're
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: gonna bet them to win the series, it's hard to
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: bet against Jalen Brunson being the MVP. We have had
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: some recent examples though, a couple years ago Jalen Brown.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: I remember when on dra Guidala won it. I think,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: if you go, well, who could win the MVP if
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: it wasn't Jalen Brown. If you are Jalen Brunson. If
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: you wanted to get some odds, you know Karl Anthony
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Towns twenty to one, OG's forty to one. Bridges is
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty to one. So I think the
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: safe bet is Brunson. But they got a lot of
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: firepower defensively, to throw at him. I can't wait for
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: this series again. I'm on the Knicks. I think the
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Knicks win it. I think it's gonna be excellent. But
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: I think this is New York's time. So same game parlays.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: You want to bet Victor Webbin Yama triple double or
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Karl Anthony Towns, you know, double double with Jalen Brunson's
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: over on points, you can do whatever you want to do.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I think Jalen Brunston goes nuts and Victor goes no.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be fantastic. So try your first
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  Speaker 2: It's all over the place, Arizona, Ohio, Jersey, Indiana, Tennessee, Virginia, Illinois, Colorado, Michigan.
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• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Let's just do some mailback questions at John Middlecoff at
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: John Middlecoff as the Instagram fire in those DMS questions
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: answered here on the show. Got a lot DMS blew
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: up yesterday. Nothing like a trade to get everyone fired up.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be pretty heavy Browns rams questions here early
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Browns fan I cannot believe. And I didn't realize this.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: I saw this DM earlier in the day, and then
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I watched Barry's press conference. The vibe in Cleveland, I
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: from maybe on the reddit boards, the fan message boards online,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: is not positive. I cannot believe people are so upset
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: about Miles and the trade. I understand it's difficult to
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: trade away the best defensive player in football, but he's thirty,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: he's a depreciating asset, and we are not in a
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: position to win a Super Bowl. We have a lot
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: of young talent. It makes so much sense to get
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: a great young player and plenty of AMMO to potentially
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: trade up in future drafts. After this move and the
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: last two drafts the Browns have had, I'm starting to
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: think Barry knows what he's doing. Am I crazy for
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: thinking that? After being so upset with Deshaun Watson as well,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: many failed draft picks like Gabriel Willis, etc. Uh. I
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: do think this is the last year, like every year
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: that goes by with an aging player. I mean Miles
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: going into year ten. I don't think he's a depreciat
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: eighting asset. Yet he's at twenty five sacks, so his
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: asset value is still really strong. I thought they should
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: have traded him last year when he demanded the trade,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: and as Andrew Barry said, we just know he kept
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: asking or people kept asking, like, what did you say
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: last year when they'd call you about Miles. It's like
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I would tell them, no, this wasn't like we're this
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: isn't a Yannis situation. This also is like a Luca
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: situation where we couldn't stand the guy and we wanted
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: to get rid of him. And I traded him too,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: My buddy. This was one team being relentless in their
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: pursuit of the asset and refusing to take no for
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: an answer and finally meeting our parameters and make it
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: worth it. So I would say the Travis Hunter trade
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: and the Miles Garrett trade which brought you two defensive
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: linemen who should both be multi year Pro bowlers moving forward,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: for the Browns in Mason Graham and Jared Verse, Qushun Jenkins,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: who should be a starting running back. And we'll see
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: what happens with these future picks. But I am in
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: complete agreement with the UH that Andrew Berry is doing
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: a good job. I am, and I can't hate this
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: trade at all. I thought they should have traded him
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: last year, But would I rather have Like, think about this,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Let's say the Rams would have traded pick third team
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: before the draft, and next year's the same package, but
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: instead of Jared Verse pick thirteen, would I rather have
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Ruben Bain or Jared Verse? I think Jason Light would
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: be the first to tell you, I hope Ruben Bain
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: becomes Jared Verse, like he's in theory, He's kind of
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: similar type player. But like, if Ruben Bain becomes Jared Verse,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: the Bucks nailed that fucking pick. So you would rather
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: have Jared Verse than Ruben Bay. So I think people
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: are conflating the value of Verse. His value is really
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: really high. I said it yesterday. I think they could
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: have got if they would have put Verse on the
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: trading block, which he clearly wasn't he just in the
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: negotiations they had to include him. That would the Would
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals rather have had Dexter Lawrence coming off
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: of down years, had some injuries. Now Dexter's proven to
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: be a more dominant player than Verse when he's been
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: right or a guy who's making way less money cost controlled.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: You don't need to give a contract extension to in
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Jared Verse. I think it's fair to say when you
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: factor an age in the contract, they might've rather had
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Jared Verse, but they that would have been a discussion.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: They would have given picked ten Like to me, that
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: would have been a heavy discussion in their room. Would
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: you say the Rams teams that Stafford has been on
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: are quote super teams. Why doesn't this seem to impact
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: his image the way it does Purty hurts, Goth, etc. Well,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I think he Stafford already established himself for well over
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: a decade in Detroit. Right, really good player. No one
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: wins on shitty organizations. It doesn't happen. Larry Fitzgerald, who's
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: father just passed rip, is a great example. He's one
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: of the great players of all time. When he got
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: his couple times to play with good teams, he was
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: clearly like one of the greatest playoff players we'd ever see.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: But he played for the Cardinals and the majority of
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: the time they sucked. This is not basketball where if
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: I'm Jokic, if I'm Luca, if I'm Lebron, if I'm Curry,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: even if my team kind of sucks, if I'm in
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: my prime, we're gonna be somewhat competitive and like be
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: a playoff team. It might might be the eight seed,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: but we're gonna be competitive in football, even if you're
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: the quarterback. If your organization blows as the Lions did.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, they were the running joke in the league.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: You can't overcome it. And honestly, last year they didn't
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: have Trent McDuffie or Miles Garrett and Stafford won the MVP.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Puka was a fifth round pick. A lot of people
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: could add DeVante. You know, he led the league in touchdowns,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: but it wasn't like people were knocking down the doors
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: to give him a couple of years forty million dollars
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: like the Rams did. It's not like they gave him
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty million dollars. So, I this is
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: a super team, but the last couple of years were
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: not super teams. They were really defined by verse Fisk young.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: All these young players that Less had just drafted. Now,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: all those guys probably gonna get long term contracts. But
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: like two years ago when they went toe to toe
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: with the Eagles, or even last year when they're going
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: toe totoe with Seattle, I don't think you would call
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: that a superteam this year is for sure. You crush
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Barry and Stefanski for years. Should they really get credit
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: for trading an all time talent? Like do the Raiders
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: get credit for taking Mendoza or the Colts for taking Luck?
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Seems like it's not hard to be a good GM
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: when you're handed an all time talent. You don't get
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: any credit for taking Andrew Luck. Grigson used to get
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: mad at me because I used to shit on his
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: tenure with the Colts. It's like, you just don't get
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: credit for drafting Andrew Luck. You know, It's like that's
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: my mom would have done that. The Mendoza thing, you
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: probably don't get credit for that either. You get credit
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: for everything else. You get credit for Ashon Gent, you know,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: whoever else you drafted over these couple of years, or
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Linderbaum or whatever. But I'm with you you don't now
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: if Mendoza in Luck, you can't really compare. I mean,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Luck was dramatically better coming out of college. But I
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: hear what you're saying. You don't like, does Ryan Poles
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: get credit for Kayleb Williams. I think where you deserve
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: credit is I think the owner is very involved in
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Cleveland clearly, And when you hear them continuously say one
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: helmet guy, one helmet guy, one helmet guy, I think
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: part of the reason they say that is, like, what
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: else do you really have to hang your hat on?
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: You know, you're watching Shador complete thirty percent of his
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: passes or Deshaun Watson limp around out there. It's not
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: like an enjoyable team to watch. But you have this
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: one guy who is like Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor twenty
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: five sacks, but like every single year you just watch
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: them play and when he's on, he's fun player to watch.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: And I just think it's very difficult to do that,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: and when you do that, you have to capitalize, and
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I just think they did. So you don't get credit
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: for drafting the player. I don't think Andrew Berry drafted him,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: did he? But you get credit for changing your mind
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: and realizing what's best for the organization, which is ultimately
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: your job, unless and Andrew are coming from different areas, right,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: And I think some people I wouldn't even say greedy,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: but in the back of their head it's like, one
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: day we could trade this guy. Well, in two years,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: the value might be really shitty. He might be a
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: shell of himself, and you wasted your opportunity to capitalize
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: on the investment or capitalize on the asset. And I
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: think that they were open to it, and they kept
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: working the Rams, working the Rams like I don't. I
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: don't think this was an easy deal for the Rams
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: to do. I'm a lifelong Rams fan, dating back to
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Saint Louis, and I have friends acting like Verse is
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: the next TJ. Watt. There's no question he's been highly productive,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: but given his relatively limited pass rush arsenal, I think
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: his sack ceiling is probably around twelve. I would tend
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: to agree. I've been trying to explain to my friends
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: that his most likely outcome is something closer to Brandon Graham.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Not because I think Verse has the same pass rush
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: limitations it's like a scout here, but because so much
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: of what makes both players valuable does not necessarily show
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: up in the sackclum The impact games for pressures, run defense,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: set in the edge, and constantly winning reps even if
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: the box score does not always reflect it. Graham was
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: extremely productive and a fantastic edge defender throughout his career.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Even if he never put up the Gotti sack totals,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: his overall impact was much greater than his raw sacks.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: A huge part of football. Winning teams have winning players
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: that don't necessarily show up in the box score every
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: single week. A big reason that Dexter Lawrence went for
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: pick ten is not because he's one day going to
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: get the Bengals fifteen sacks. It's because when he's right
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: for thirty forty snaps during that game, he is an
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: unmovable object and obviously has pass rush ability too. But
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: when he's right, his skills don't just light up the
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: box score like maybe a TJ. Water and Miles Garrett.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: No different than some players that are great, you know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: receivers that block in the passing game or running backs
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: that are great in pass protection. Football is a team game.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: This isn't golf, this isn't tennis. You know you have
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: to do things that do not like certain guys certain games.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Part of AJ Brown's value is he becomes a threat
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: even when he's not targeted. You have to allocate energy, effort,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: and resources on his side of the field. So it
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: takes a lot of game planning, takes a lot of
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: the player's attention. Everyone on that sideline is focused on him,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: and if he runs, routes hard, and plays hard, even
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: if he only gets three or four catches, he can
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: change the game. Tyreek Hill, Randy Moss, any big time
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: threat offensively or defensively like Miles Garrett, can have a
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: great game and not get a sack because he's causing
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: so much attention he can free up for everyone else.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: So I'm with you. And the other thing is you
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: don't get much credit for because you get paid to
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: rush the passer. Being a good run defender really matters.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: It really does. When I try to run your way
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: and I cannot run your way because you set the
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: edge and you set the tone of stoning whoever is
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: at the line of scrimmage, that matters. That's why the
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Texans defense is so good because Will Anderson and daneil Hunter.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: It ain't just about third and ten. First and ten,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: you better buckle the fuck up because those guys are
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: coming and if you want to double team them, have
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: at it. It's on like Donkey Kong. They want it.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: And that's part of being a good defensive lineman is
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: being a two way player. There are a lot of
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: guys that can just rush the passer on third and
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: twelve that there are a ton of guys throughout the
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: league that don't start they can do that. Guys go
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: on to have long careers that were later drafted picks
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: because they're great pass rushers. But it's hard to put
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: them on the field on first and ten against the
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Eagles because like, we're just gonna run at you every
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: single play. And that's where versus good and that that matters,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: especially in a division that gets freezing cold. You know,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: the Ravens and the Steelers. I mean, the Steelers will
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: see what their offense looks like under McCarthy, but the
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Ravens definitely want to run the ball. Uh. I guess
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: the big too. I got a hypothetical question on the
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Garrett trade. What if Verse decided to not show up
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: in Cleveland. If I'm Verse, I think I'd be a
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: bit pissed. Going from LA to Cleveland is a bit wild?
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Is this even a possibility? I mean, technically you could
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: no show, but like once this season starts, you get
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: paid weekly, So why would you give up that money?
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: And if you don't show up to the voluntary or
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: excuse me, the mandatory ota, which I think for Cleveland's
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: next week maybe it's in two weeks, you would get
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: fined and give up one hundred grand. I don't see
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: financially why you would do that. There is no debating
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: that going from the Rams to Cleveland would suck. For
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: two years, Jared Versus played in huge games, playoffs and
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: non playoffs. All of his games have mattered. The Browns
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: haven't played in a meaningful game in years, so and
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I understand he's from there. I think Andrew Barry said
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: his sister still lives in Dayton, Ohio. But it's part
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: of being a pro athlete. John Hamm once famously said,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: that's what the money's for. You know, we can't get traded.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I guess some of us technically potentially could. I guess,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: depending on exactly what you do. If a company buys
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: your company, maybe things change dramatically, but they're part of
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: being an athlete. And if you don't have a no
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: trade clause, which no rookie kind of rookie contracts, going
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: to this is a possibility, you know. And it goes
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: the other way too. So some guys are on shitty
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: teams and it's it's why you always play hard, because
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: people are gonna watch you. I would say the one
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: thing if I was Jared Verse that would give me
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't piss me off too much. I remember Kevin
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Durant did he get traded to the Suns and was
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: mad about the package. He thought the package should have
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: been more. It's like, bro, you're always worried about the
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: weirdest shit. But if you're Jared Verse, you knew that
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: you were the reason that they could trade for one
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: of the greatest players in the history of the game.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: So this team doesn't like me, they love me. So
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: if I keep doing what I'm doing, I'm going to
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: get one hundred and fifty million dollars. That's that's the
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: way you'd have to shift your mind. I also think
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: once you've been in the league a couple of years,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: wasn't he with the Rams when they got rid of
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Cooper Cup like you saw that Cooper Cup was the
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl MVP, like team captain, heartbeat of the squad,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: and they just cut. It's part of the business you're in,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: and the faster you kind of become aware of it,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: even if you are. I mean, I'm sure he didn't
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: see this coming, because nobody did. Hurt. On another pot,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: the Browns won't have the fifth year option on Jared Verse.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: When teams trade away a first round pick, does the
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: gaining team still have the fifth round option? That would
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: be news to me. I would when you get traded,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: you still have the ability on their rookie contract, unless
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: there's some stipulation that I don't know about. In this scenario,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: the Browns would have access to the fifth year option,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: which they would probably be planning on picking up after
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: this season. But typically when you remember, trying to think
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: of a recent example, Sam Darnold was traded to the
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Panthers from the Jets and they picked up his fifth
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: year option. The Panthers did, and then everyone thought that
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: they regretted it, so things changed fast. Here's a non
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: rams question. Over the last couple of years in Houston,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: they've been reshaping the line and one of the most
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: common themes amongst the Beat reporters have been there trying
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: to change the culture of the unit. I believe trying
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: to shift that culture was a big reason they got
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: rid of Tunzel along with the big Capit what all
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: goes into changing culture in a specific unit. Is this
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: something you were a part of in Philly? How is
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: it different than doing it for the whole team. I
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: think the issue for them with Tunzel is he needed
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: a new contract, which I think Cassario and that group
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: was hesitant to give. I think they saw where the
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: roster was headed, who they wanted to invest resources in,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: and Laramie still had a ton of value, and they punted.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: I think they answer some questions about like Laramie's practice
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: habits just in terms of like he just didn't practice
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: all the time. And I think when your best player
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: doesn't practice all the time, it could be difficult. But
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I think part of setting the tone for your offensive
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: line unit is whoever your best offensive lineman is, if
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: they set the standard of wark, ethic, of focus of
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: practice habits. I'd argue though, like I saw the forty
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: nine ers like Trent Williams, and part of it is
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: just old like he doesn't practice that much. So I
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: to me, it's on the old line coach who Cole
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Popovich is their O line coach, who was my first
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: year as a JA at President State, was our starting
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: left or right guard. I think he got hurt Week
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: one and never played again. He's been into coaching now
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: for years. He coached for Belichick. But I've always believed
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: culture is the people, Like why did New England have
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: such a great culture because it started with Tom and
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: most of the guys that they surrounded him with, and
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: early on he was surrounded with are the right type guys. Rabel, Bruski,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Rodney Harrison, Logan, Mankins to Edelman to mccordy to Gronk.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, these are serious motherfuckers when it comes to football.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: So but you can also like the Chiefs didn't trade
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Trent McDuffie because they didn't like Trent McDuffie. In terms
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: of the culture, you also have to make business decisions,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: like you can't sign everybody, and at certain positions the
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: numbers are huge, so they're looking at it when they trade.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Tunzel was like, well, one day we're gonna have to
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: pay the quarterback. Potentially will Anderson's gonna cost a lot,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: he did. We want to keep the Neil Hunter around.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: You just have to make tough decisions. I just think
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: some decisions are just difficult and then you factor in everything. Right,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: in a perfect world, would they just have Lermy Tunzel
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: on the team with a bunch of other new guys
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: who are good. Yeah, but it's hard to pull that off.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: So I you remember the Chiefs traded Joe Tuney to
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: the Bears. Andy Reid like the next day was like,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: he's one of, if not my favorite players I've ever coached.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: But it's a business and you gotta, you know, mess
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: with a cap. And the reality is is guys like him,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: you know, certain positions make a ton of money now.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Even guards and centers now make twenty million dollars a year.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Tunzel's making what thirty thirty five million dollars a year. Uh,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: just listen to you discuss Claude lemwe tragedy, and you
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: made a comment that I was hoping you could elaborate
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: more on you mention you and your wife discuss your
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: son never having grandpas. To quickly sum up my situation,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: I lost my father when I was forty one, years
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: old to suicide. Fast forward six years later, I'm happily married.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: The discussion of kids comes up regularly, knowing how important
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: grandpa's were for me growing up. It's always in the
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: back of my mind knowing any potential children I may
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: have would be born without their grandpa's. How do you
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: and your wife discuss and navigate the situation with your
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: own child. Well, he doesn't speak English yet, so we
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: haven't broached any subjects, let alone that one. I you know,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you could. Just there's going to come a
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: time when he gets friends, and he is friends, they
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: go to his grandparents' house, and he'll never have that opportunity.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I guess we have like my mom's alive. Her mom's alive,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: so like we can go to our our grandparents' house
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: for him. But I don't know. I mean, I obviously
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: obviously you guys didn't know me when I was a kid.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: But my mom's dad died when I was probably thirteen
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: fourteen years old, maybe junior high. I used to go
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: over to their house all the time. They lived down
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: the street from me and my dad's dad, Woody, who
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: lived in the Bay Area. My entire life, I was
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: around him all the time. You'd come to my house
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: a lot, we'd go to his house. He lived with
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: my parents at the latter stages of his life. He
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: lived till his mid nineties. Hopefully I get those genetics.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: But he had great hair actually, so I don't know.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's just you just sometimes you got to
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: play the cards you're delt, you know. I mean, there's
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: not going to be as simple. You just try to
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: I'm sure. I mean, sometimes we talk about some of
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: the lessons that her dad, who was in the FBI
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: for a long time, former marine, kind of taught her
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: and her brother. Things that she mentioned something the other day,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: showed me this Instagram post about like lessons for your
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: kids about things that you know, don't put their name
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: on their lunch box and stuff. I mean, this is
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: kind of dark about kids getting abducted and stuff, but
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: just things that lessons that we've learned from our parents
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: that we passed down that way. And obviously as they
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: get older, you tell them about you know, your your
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: relationship with your father that's no longer there. But we
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: have we have not had discussions with him because he's
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: he wouldn't even understand. I mean, so I say this
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: all the time. I mean, my my big picture philosophical
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: life lessons for the young man will come in due time,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: but as of right now, I just want the kid
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: to sleep and stop freaking out when he gets belly
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: aches after he drinks a bottle and screams is loud
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: that you could hear and you know, Utah from where
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: we're sitting. So we're going through right now, and I
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: can't even fathom any thoughts beside just trying to get
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: over this hump that is four and a half months.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I love football, Go Niners. Are you keeping up with
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: the World Cup? I don't really watch soccer unless they're
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: big games. I recently just found out that the World
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Cup had one and a half point five billion views.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Do you think the streaming services will try to get
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: World Cup games in the future. A normal World Cup
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: game averages one hundred and seventy five million people. It's
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: a good question. Yeah, I'll watch. I mean, obviously I'll
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: watch all the USA games. I'll definitely, I mean, i'll
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: watch it's it's gonna be on television constantly. What I
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: love about a good tournament is something like this, when
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: it's not all Primetime. You know, you just turn on.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: That's why I love golf. Thursday Friday, I just sit
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: in my office in the house wherever I'm at, first
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: thing in the morning, Saturday, Sunday, first thing in the morning,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: always on at ESPN Plus. So when there's a game
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: in Philly, in Jersey, in Boston, in Florida, these games
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: are gonna start for me on the West Coast probably
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: like nine in the morning. So I'll just have a
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: World Cup game on, even if I don't know who's playing.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: But I when I met Alexi Lawless maybe last year
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: when I when I was doing Colin, I told him
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: off air, I said, you know, I went to a
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: camp in nineteen ninety four on Stanford's campus and you
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: guys played Brazil, and I remember we were staying in
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: like the dorms and you could hear they were playing
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: at Stanford's football stadium, and I think we lost like
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: one to nothing or two to one. It's like a
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: historic game. And that's that World Cup And even Alexi
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: has said it made him famous. I mean, is part
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: of a huge He's a big personality and good talking
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: about soccer, but like that moment made him and these
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: I said this the other day, and people push back
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: of like, my expectations for us are pretty low because
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: every time this type stuff happens, it feels like we're
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: always disappointed and we go in thinking we're gonna be
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: like Tiger Woods or Tom Brady and then are mad
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: when we get bounced or don't make it to the
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: you know, out of the group. So my expectations are
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: really low. That being said, when we're on and I'm
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: not a soccer guy, I'm gonna be rooting, like I'm
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: gonna be glued. I feel this way with hockey. It's
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: like Team USA. That was some of the most riveting
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: television of twenty twenty six watching that group, watching them
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: take on Canada. It was unreal and if we could
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: ever go on a run, it would be massive. And
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: I think soccer Guy used to always push back against
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: like you don't even know that's sports. Most people in
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: football don't know that much about football, you know what
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: they do. They watch a lot of football and they
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: enjoy it. I think soccer Guy and maybe they've changed,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: needs to be more inviting, like let the casuals like
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: me and you in and let us get mad that
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: we're not good enough. That's what you need.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: You need.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: The reason the Yankees and the Lakers and the Cowboys
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: are the biggest brands in their sports is because they
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: have the most casual fans as well as diehards. You know,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: diehards do not carry the day. It's a big couple
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: of days for Fox, though, or a couple of weeks,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: or however long this Cup is. It's a big day
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: for all these football teams or hosting you know. I
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: know the Chiefs are hosting, the Niners, the Rams. I
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: think all the football teams basically around the country are
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: hosting these games. Despite the record coaching turnover last season,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: ten teams that missed the playoffs yet did not make
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: a change Jets, Commander, Saints, Chiefs, Colts, Bengals, Cowboys, Bucks, By, Kings, Lions.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: If you were to parlay three teams at ten to
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: one to have a new coach in twenty seven, which
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: ones would you pick? Also, if I offered you ten
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: to one to predict a spot for Tomlin in twenty seven,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: I do think the Jets and Browns are gonna be
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: teams people pick. And I was texting the three and
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Out guys yesterday. I don't think either team's gonna be good,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: but they're not bad, Like they're gonna be good bad teams.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: They're going to both the Jets and the Browns are
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: gonna play all their games at ten am Pacific Standard
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: time on Sundays. As that window gets shittier, those teams
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: are gonna thrive there. Miami's not gonna be a good watch.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: The Cardinals are gonna be a terrible watch. They have
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: no quarterback and their defense kind of sucks. They'll probably
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: end up trading Josh Sweat. I do think the Browns
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: and the Jets have a lot of good core people,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: but they're probably both gonna lose a lot of games.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: So is Todd Munkin and what's his name, Aaron Glenn? Like,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: are those jobs kind of decent jobs next year? Would
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin be interested? Now? When I see Mike Tomlin,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: I think I can see Tampa they have a good GM.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: He's coached there before. I know it was a long
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: time ago, but I could see him wanting to be
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: in a little warmer weather client climate the other team.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: And again, like they could be just solid and Dan
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Quinn be fine. You know, Josh Harris is a basketball guy.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: They've run through some coaches, and they've run through some people.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: So Jayden Daniels, I think, would you know he's from
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: that general area? He played football at William and Mary.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: If I was a betting man, I'd probably say dan
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Quinn survives unless it got really bad like last year.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: But I would have my bet would be the Bucks.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Would Tomlin coach the Browns? He already took shots at
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Barry last year for trading Flacco the Jets New York
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: bright Lights. I would say teams to have openings. I
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: say the Jets, the Browns. I think Cowboys gonna be
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: pretty good, Lions safe, Viking safe. If the culture of
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: the Bengals were to miss the playoffs, those jobs would
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: become open, especially the Colts or or I meant the
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Bengals as a Chiefs fan. With the addition of the
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: enemy back as OC coming from Ben Johnson as a
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: running back coach, do you believe the enemy will bring
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: scheme changes to the offense, such as going under center
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: instead of shotgun? Statistics have shown Mahomes has thrived under center,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: and Walker runs way better under center as well. Well.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: I'm scheduled to talk to coach reed tomorrow, so I'm
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: going to ask him, ask him if the emphasis of
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: going all in on Kenneth Walker and Mahomes coming back
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: from injury, are they going to be a run first team,
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: especially when you look at their wide receiver unit, I mean,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: the best wide receivers currently in the clink. So my
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: guess would be that they be. Now, when Eric the
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Enemy became the offensive coordinator at UCLA, they passed it
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: all the time. So Eric b Enemy is a running
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: back coach by trade, but when he was a play caller,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: but he likes passing it and he was around Andy
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Forever who likes to pass it too. So my guess
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: is we're going to see they kind of went back
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: to the drawing board, and maybe we see a big
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: change next year when it comes to the just the
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: past happy nature that the Chiefs I think can become,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: and I think the wear and tear kind of ultimately
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: the undoing of Mahomes' acl Would you rather have your
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: favorite team suck cats lightning in a bottle and win
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: a championship but then go back to sucking think like
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: the Florida Miami Marlins, or have your team be competitive
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: every year but never win a title. This is a
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: no brainer part of sports if you're gonna be a fan,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: and Woolves use football as this example because in baseball
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: you would much rather have a team year in, year out.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: The Braves won one championship in the nineties. They were
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: really beside the Yankees by far the best team in
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: the nineties, and they won it one time. Are many
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: World Series they even make it to that the only
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: World Series they made it to. They make it to
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: one other World Series, But every single game during the
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: season for a decade plus, you knew they were gonna
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: win a lot. If you ever tried to watch a
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: shitty baseball team, I have it in years because I
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: don't even pay attention. The Giants are horrendous. Honestly, I
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: don't think the San Fansco Giants would win the College
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: World Series. I think if you put the Samsco Giants
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: in the College World Series, I don't think they would
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: be a lock to win, which is ironic because the
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: manager that they hired became famous because he won the
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: College World Series. But their talent sucks. They were just
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: a poorly run franchise and it's miserable, and they won
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: titles years ago, twenty fourteen might as well be in
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: eighteen eighty seven. I think you always pick being competitive always,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: then if you're talking over a ten year span, because
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: they're just not gonna watch the games. Had a first
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: son also named him Jack. Congratulations. Anyway, I'm curious, what's
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: the life of a practice squad player? Have any guys
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: made a full career in that role? Do they make
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: a decent living if that is as far as they
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: make it in the league? And what is a day
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: in the life of a practice squad player? The rules
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: changed in twenty twenty. When I was in the league,
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: you could only you only had like several year, like
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: three years of practice squad eligibility, and if you were
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: on a bad team and they elevated you and you
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: played a certain number of regular season snaps, your eligibility
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: was done. So sometimes like a fifth round pick who
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: would start on the practice squad would by mid season
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: the team's terrible guys get injured elevate them up, and
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: then he has no practic squad eligibility, but he probably
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be a fifty three man roster player yet, and
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: then he like can't get a job. Well, they change
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: those rules. Now it's like Jason Peters at forty years
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: old is on a practice squad. So you can be
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: on a practice squad, I think in perpetuity. I'm pretty
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: sure you have unlimited eligibility. Don't quote me on this,
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: but it's like two hundred and eighty grand. It's like
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: fifteen K a week. Here's the problem. If I make
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: the team, if I'm an NFL you know, a second
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: year player, and I'm either gonna make the team or
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: go to the practice squad. If I make the team
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: and I play Week one, even if I have the
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: minimum salary, which is like nine hundred grand, that salary
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: is guaranteed for the season, So I'm guaranteed to get
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: nine hundred grand whether they cut me because I'm not
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: good enough, or I keep playing all season. And obviously
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: if I do well percentage of snaps and different incentives,
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: I can make more money. But if I'm on the
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: roster week one and I play that game, my salary
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: is guaranteed. If I don't make the team and I'm
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: on a practice squad, and whatever that number is, it's
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: like it's gone up over the years. Let's say let's
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: just say for argument sake, it's two hundred fifty grand
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: over the course of seventeen weeks. I'm a day to
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: day player, so whatever that number is, thirteen fourteen to
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: fifteen K a week, I am not guaranteed week to week.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: I can be cut at any moment for zero dollars. Obviously,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: if I every week, I make that much money, but
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: I'm not guaranteed the next week. So it is a
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: life of injuries. They need different people. It's a numbers game.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: You might just get cut because they need the roster spot,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: not because they don't even like you, and you don't
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: typically travel. You obviously don't play in the games. You
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: basically work, you know, you help service the starters on
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: the scout team. You're part of the meetings. You know,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: like usually most teams. Let's say you win and you
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: get Monday and Tuesday off as a player. You usually
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: come in and lift and work out and recover or whatever,
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: but there's no practice or whatever. You just start watching
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: film on your own for the Wednesday morning. Kind of
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: here's the game plan. You show up to that team
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: meeting at seven thirty eight o'clock in the morning. You know,
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: like every other player, no different than Miles Garrett or
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: George Kittle or whatever. And then if you break off
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: into meetings, you go with your position group. And then
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: when you go to practice, you know, you go with
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: that position group to practice. And then as the different
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: periods of practice go from individual to group, you might
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: go with if they need you to service people starters.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Here goes the backups. You basically just do whatever you're told,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: but you are not preparing to play. But you should
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: be because at any moment, if someone gets injured, either
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: in practice or through the week, they could elevate you up.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: And then once you're elevated up, if it's past week one,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: your salary is not even guaranteed. Going from fifteen k
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: a week to nine hundred k a year, which whatever
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: that math is, let's say triple thirty grand a game,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: be a little more in that forty grand a game,
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: I can still cut you the following week. A lot
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: of people have started on practice squads and worked their
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: way up, but you got to be pretty intrinsically disciplined
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: and motivated because you're not really in the mix. You're
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: doing a lot of scout team, but all of a sudden,
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: scout team can turn into like the head coach the
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: GM the assistant coach is really paying attention, and then
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: you get an injury and the head coach sitting there
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: with the offensive or defensive coordinator, he's like, you got
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: any ideas? He's like, hey, middlecoff has been dominating us
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: on scout team. We take a look at this guy.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: What do you think? And the head coach like, okay,
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: I'll pay a little more attention to it. And maybe
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: that's how it starts. Obviously, if you've been drafted by
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: that team, they know a lot about you. Sometimes you
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: just pick a guy up, put him on practice squad,
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: and a couple of weeks later you're like, oh, this
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: guy's better than I thought it's It can be difficult
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: depending on the team though, to really stand out in
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: to practice. How much stock do you put in a
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: first year head coach bump for teams looking to make
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: a jump. What is the difference in an impact of
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: a super Bowl winning coach first a first time head
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: coach going to a new team. Uh, it's a good question.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: I would say, Well, you have a super Bowl winning coach,
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: they just know what they're doing. Like when Andy Reid
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: or Sean Payton or Sean McVeigh or you know the
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: John harball, when they walk into a meeting room, when
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: they go to set a practice schedule, when they run
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: the off season, when they run the OTAs, when they
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: run training camp. They've been doing it for a long time,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Like the forty nine ers and the Rams are getting
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: ready for Australia. Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan have been
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: head coaches for ten years, so when they build their
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: practices to lead up to that kind of weird travel game,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: those guys are pretty comfortable doing something that is a
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: little uncomfortable. Where when you're a first year guy like
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: Ben Johnson last year, you know you're good. You know
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: you're an excellent offensive coordinator, but you've never been the
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: head coach. You gotta deal now with more of the
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: defense you got the defensive coordinator you're dealing with. There's
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: kind of a feeling out process. But when you're taking
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: over for a guy who's not good at his job,
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: it's easy to stand out. And then I think, you know,
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: like Dan Quinn his first year in Washington, the energy.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: I think energy can be a big thing. Positive energy.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Oftentimes I don't have a great answer for that one,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: to be honest with you, because every first year head
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: coach is so different. Sometimes you're setting the foundation, like
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: when Dan Hampbell took over the Lions, they were so bad.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: He was just kind of setting the foundation for a
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: couple years later there in the NFC Championship game, Lions
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: and Michigan fan here just curious. Do you think JJ
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: is getting too much crap for his play in recent attitude?
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: I felt like at Michigan or excuse me, I felt
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: like Minnesota had to have drafted him further for the
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: person that he is and his resilience on the field.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: Nothing I saw in college made him look like a
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: starting NFL quarterback. Shouldn't the Vikings be getting torn apart
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: for the things that they could develop him? And it's
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: seemingly falling apart at this point. I think they are.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's it's one of the biggest
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: disastrous situations in the league. They drafted him in the
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: top fifteen, they had a team that had just won
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: fourteen games, They had a team that was sixty minutes
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: away from being the number one seed, and he was objectively,
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: like by all the metrics, terrible and the eye test
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: was worse. So and now he's by all accounts going
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: to get beat out by Kyler Murray. So I think
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: they've been getting destroyed. That's what the general manager got fired.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: H In regard to a question though that he basically
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: gave me all his compliments. I don't need to read him.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: It's about my Philadelphia Eagles. I'm pretty pessimistic for the
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: most part, shocker even during our Super Bowl runs. But
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: this season I feel a little bit more optimistic than usual.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: I think the West Coast system will be a decent change.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: I think Jalen will prove himself even more this season,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: with or without aj Am. I crazy for this level
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: of optimism. Well, their team on paper is fantastic. I
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: mean it is. It's been that way for four years.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: They have went healthy, an excellent offensive line. They have
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley, who's a year removed from one of the
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: great seasons of the history of the league. Dallas godd
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: are still on the team while they no longer have
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: aj They draft a guy in the first round. They
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: bring over multiple veteran guys. Devonte Smiths proven to be
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: a high level NFL wide receiver and this offense is
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: wide receiver friendly. Their defense is loaded. I mean, I
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: guess it's got a couple holes, you know, pass rush,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: But I mean the draft they signed and traded for
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Grenard, who had a two year stretch where he
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: had twenty five sacks. So to go with the defensive tackles,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Jordan Davis got in way better shape, they got good
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: linebacker play, they got excellent defensive backs. Yeah, there's they
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: should be a playoff team. And then the thing with
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Jalen going back to Oklahoma is just a lot of
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: his success has been shotgun has ben gun runs. My
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: two questions are this, will he just embrace this offense,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: which everyone's saying the right things now, but let's see
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: once they get into the games, And will he use
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: his mobility more? If he gets back to running, he
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: becomes a complete player. He's never gonna sit in the
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: pocket and pick you apart like Joe Montana. It's not
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: his thing. But he is a fantastic duel threat quarterback.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: And Russell Wilson got this way because I actually think
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: there's some similarity to the scramble ability, the deep ball accuracy.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Is Russell no longer wanted to run in Seattle. He
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: wanted to be Tom Brady and it felt like Jalen
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: kind of did that too. So you guys are not
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady, Tom count run. You guys can, especially Jalen.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Jalen's running is fantastic. He's a natural at it. He
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: doesn't even take big hits. So if he gets back
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: to that, then yeah, I mean, I think they could
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: easily win the division again, Yo, big Helmie, don't have
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: a question. Just wanted to say, love the pod, love
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: your style, don't change for corporate America, and fuck the haters.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: We have to worry about corporate America because I guess
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: we do partnerships with other corporations, but that has had
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: no impact on anything I've ever done. I appreciate the
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: kind note. We will end on this. When coming into
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: the league, Aaron Rodgers had a very odd uh had
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: very odd mechanics that McCarthy got out of him. Apparently
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: the Steelers are quote retracting Drew Aller and uh retracting
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: Drew Aller everything about the quarterback position, re enacting, retracting.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say. Even
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: though I know what you mean, I'm not I'm not
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: sure the word matches up with what you're trying to say.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: I think they're basically breaking him down and reteaching him.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: I think you're I think you meant to say reteaching
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: and it said retracting. That's what you meant to say.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: I would say the difference of Rogers is Aaron Rodgers
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: in college was really good. I forget if it was
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: his sophomore junior season, but there was a game against
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: USC when Pete Carroll and they hadn't lost the game
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: in forever where I think he completed like twenty five
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: straight passes and cal easily could have won the game.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: Like Aaron Rodgers went toe to toe with the best
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: team in college football and was slicing and dice them
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: with his arm. Now his mechanically he just he kind
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: of held the ball up above his shoulders. It was
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: a little weird, but just from a accuracy standpoint, natural
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: thrower the football, he just needed to reteach, like you
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: don't need to hold the ball up there. And I forget.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: I know he's talked about this before, exactly the reason
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: Tedford had him doing that. Drewald just wasn't that good
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: at football. That's the problem. With Drew Rowler. Aaron Rodgers
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: was a really good college football player. If you put
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: Aaron at Cal on the Penn State team these last
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: couple of years, they probably win the national championship or
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: don't lose the Notre Dame last year and don't have
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: the season they had this year. So I think it
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: could be there's two angles of this one. I don't
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: think you can compare the two situations because Rogers was
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: a much more He's a much better player coming out
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: of college. I do think McCarthy, though, has proven to
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: be really good with quarterbacks. So if you want to
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: be glass half full on this Drew Aler thing, which
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: I'm out and most people I know in football did
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: not like to pick and think that they crazy overdrafted him,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: they do have a guy that's a quarterback. Whisper might
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: be a little strong, but he's he's pretty natural with
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: that position. If you would have said Mike Tomlin had
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: drafted Drew Allard, been like what a waste of a pick,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: you could convince me there is a scenario in an
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: outcome where this where he becomes like a serviceable backup.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Because there are some teams that they would have drafted
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Drew Aler that you could convince me out of the
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: league in like two years, like a Hackenberg type situation.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: But I'm not big on taking a guy in the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: third round and then having to reteach him the position
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: like the Eagles took the dude from Nigeria in the seventh. Okay, okay,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: I could take a guy in the fifth or sixth
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: round in a bad draft, third round pick, it's not
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, got some other needs on this team to
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: reteach a quarterback. I think that pick was kind of crazy.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: I really did. But omar Con, baby, have a good day.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Talk to you tomorrow. Say the volume.