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Lee Williams Writes - "Abolish The ATF" · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: Well, good morning, ruminators. It is Friday, August twenty second.
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  Speaker 1: He is Jose. I'm preston a show fifty four to
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  Speaker 1: thirty seven of the Morning Show with Preston Scott. It
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  Speaker 1: is great to be with you. We are joined by
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  Speaker 1: Lee Williams aka the gun Writer. You can find his
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  Speaker 1: work at the gun Writer dot substack dot com. Good morning, Lee.
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  Speaker 1: How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 2: Good Preston, I'm doing well. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 1: I am doing very well. That said, I am probably
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  Speaker 1: not to the degree you are, because you have invested
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  Speaker 1: so much time and effort in uncovering the dirty details.
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  Speaker 1: And dirty is probably a polite word for what the
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  Speaker 1: ATF has done to ruin a young man's life in
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  Speaker 1: Patrick Tato Domiak, you wrote a piece that you released yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: it's time for President Trump to end the ATF. And
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  Speaker 1: obviously this is much more more than just Tata Domiak.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I started it off with no one
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  Speaker 2: makes the case that it's time to end the ATF
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  Speaker 2: better than the ATF, and they really do, brother, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: these guys screw up internationally and consistently. I've written more
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  Speaker 2: than one hundred stories about ATF since I started doing this,
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  Speaker 2: and I've never seen a bloodier history. I mean, and
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  Speaker 2: like I said in my story earn my column, it's
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  Speaker 2: the blood of innocent Americans. I mean, look at every
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  Speaker 2: twenty eight, nineteen ninety three, they took out Waco, they
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  Speaker 2: killed people in their homes, and then just last year
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  Speaker 2: March nineteenth, ATF agent Tyler Coward did it to a
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  Speaker 2: fifty three year old Arkansas Airport executive who was in
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  Speaker 2: his home, thought he was being burglarized. Never committed a crime.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, ATF has committed atrocity after atrocity after trocity,
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  Speaker 2: and they've never been held accountable. And I'm telling you
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  Speaker 2: they're going to keep doing it under Trump until he
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  Speaker 2: does something about the agency. So I think I think
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  Speaker 2: it's time for the agency just to go. And that's
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  Speaker 2: what I said in my piece yesterday. It's time for
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  Speaker 2: President Trump to end the ATF. They cannot be trusted.
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  Speaker 1: What is the history of ATF? How do we get
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  Speaker 1: how did we get it?
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  Speaker 2: You know, it started out like a lot of federal agencies.
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  Speaker 2: The agents were unarmed, they were tracking stills, and then
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  Speaker 2: they just added in addition to alcohol, they started adding
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  Speaker 2: things to them, tobacco, and then when they got to firearms,
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  Speaker 2: ATF was like, oh yeah, okay, now we can really run.
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  Speaker 2: I mean if you look at look at I guarantee
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  Speaker 2: you go to their website. Just look at the Remembering
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  Speaker 2: Waco homepage. Okay, remember Waco. You would think they would
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  Speaker 2: they would have some type of guilt about the seventy
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  Speaker 2: eighty people that were killed. But no, I mean they
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  Speaker 2: really don't. They really don't. I mean they they talked
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  Speaker 2: a little bit about some misjudgment and then they just
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  Speaker 2: go right into what a great job their agents do nationally.
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  Speaker 2: It's ludicrous. I mean, I've never seen anything like it.
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  Speaker 2: They said their big admission about Waco. Certain actions by
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  Speaker 2: ATF were criticized. If we didn't have seventy people dead,
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  Speaker 2: you know, eighty total with the four ATF agents that
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's like they just don't get it. And
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  Speaker 2: then when you look at recent stuff, you got Patrick
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  Speaker 2: Tata Domiac, the US Navy petty officer. You got Mark
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  Speaker 2: chuff Omanley who was at home with his family when
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  Speaker 2: ATF did him. Russell Fincher, a guy who was a
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  Speaker 2: Baptist pastor, they took him out, and then of course
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  Speaker 2: Brian Melanowski, they shot and killed in his home. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I just don't see why we need this agency. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they these cases, they clearly show ATF can't tell the
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  Speaker 2: difference between a criminal and a legitimate gun owner. And
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  Speaker 2: it's this inability, brother that resulted in them filing false
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  Speaker 2: criminal charges like they did to a domiac.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me, Lee Williams the gun writer, and he writes
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  Speaker 1: about the Second Amendment. He writes about cases that are
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  Speaker 1: an affront to the Second Amendment. And let's work. Let's
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  Speaker 1: work from work backwards from your story. Let's start with
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  Speaker 1: Brian Malinowski. Let's remind everybody what he was accused of
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  Speaker 1: doing and being.
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  Speaker 2: He was never accused of doing and being anything. They
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  Speaker 2: had a search warrant to search his home. Brian was
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  Speaker 2: a banker in Arkansas. He was the I'm sorry, an
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  Speaker 2: airport executive. I get my guys confused, and the senior
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  Speaker 2: airport executive. He had an incredibly high salary and he
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  Speaker 2: went to gun shows. You get a table and he'd
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  Speaker 2: trade some stuff. He was into coins. He would do
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  Speaker 2: that too. ATF got a search warrant for his home,
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  Speaker 2: rather than picking him up at the office or going
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  Speaker 2: to knocking on his door. They hit him in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of the night. He thought there were burglars coming in.
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  Speaker 2: He armed himself, fired around, hit some ATF agent in
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  Speaker 2: the sole of his shoe. Of course, Tyler Cohort, who's
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  Speaker 2: an ATF agent, sighted in on his head and shot
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  Speaker 2: him dead. Uh, it's just a tragedy, absolute tragedy. He
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  Speaker 2: had never charged with a crime.
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  Speaker 1: What was what were they suspecting him of doing that
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  Speaker 1: warranted a midnight raid.
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  Speaker 2: That's the way ATF works. If they're going to do
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  Speaker 2: a search warrant, rather than just knock on the guy's
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  Speaker 2: door or go into his office which is a no
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  Speaker 2: gun zone in the middle of an airport, say hey, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: you know we need to we need to go search
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  Speaker 2: your home. Come with us. They always try and go commando,
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  Speaker 2: and they kicked indoors. They taped over his camera right
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  Speaker 2: outside on his front door. It was terrible. And then
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  Speaker 2: of course he has no He's got a huge home.
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  Speaker 2: He has no idea who's in his home. None of
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  Speaker 2: them are wearing any police accouterment. He didn't hear him,
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  Speaker 2: and they shoot him dead in the hallway and they
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  Speaker 2: were exonerated.
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  Speaker 1: How is that possible exonerated based on what.
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  Speaker 2: Based on the threat that he presented. They said that
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  Speaker 2: the coward shot was okay, and he shot him in
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  Speaker 2: the head and they left him laying there. He died
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  Speaker 2: three days later. I mean, it's just a terrible They
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  Speaker 2: weren't even giving him aid. It's a horrible situation.
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  Speaker 1: Please tell me the family's suing.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the wife, I'm sorry. The widow has filed a lawsuit.
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  Speaker 2: And if ATF knows anything, they better damn well.
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  Speaker 1: Payoff does n't bring the husband and father back, though
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  Speaker 1: Russell Fincher tell us about him.
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  Speaker 2: Russell's a really neat guy. A high school history teacher,
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  Speaker 2: lives in a small small town Tuskahoma, Oklahoma, Baptist minister,
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  Speaker 2: a part time gun dealer. Yet a little shed built
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  Speaker 2: outside his home where he sold guns. And then twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty three seven vehicles come up and they disgorged a
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  Speaker 2: dozen ATF agents. They yelled and screamed that it put
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  Speaker 2: him in handcuffs on his porch right next to his son,
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  Speaker 2: and yelled and screamed at him enough until they scared
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  Speaker 2: him and he agreed to stop selling firearms. They just
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  Speaker 2: charged him with selling a box of ammunition to somebody
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  Speaker 2: with a felony license or with a felony record, who
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how Russell was supposed to know that
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  Speaker 2: in Oklahoma you don't run people background for selling it
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  Speaker 2: for buying AMMO. But that was their big git. They
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  Speaker 2: he sold a box of AMMA to somebody with a
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  Speaker 2: felony So where is He's out of the business. He's
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  Speaker 2: out of the business.
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  Speaker 1: Where's Oklahoma law in all of this? Where's the Oklahoma
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  Speaker 1: Attorney General in all of this?
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  Speaker 2: The AG got involved. There were some lawmakers from Oklahoma
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  Speaker 2: who represented him, who got involved. They yelled and screamed
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  Speaker 2: at ATF, and of course ATF just doesn't care. They
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  Speaker 2: did nothing for this man who now has a felony record,
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  Speaker 2: can't sell guns. Campusess Guns.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us about Mark Manley.
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  Speaker 2: Great guy, He's going to be at the at R.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry our big get together next month when the
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  Speaker 2: Second Amendment Foundation gets together, I'm gonna be talking to
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  Speaker 2: him there. He's a gun owner, gun collector, Second Amendment advocate.
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  Speaker 2: He had seventy legally owned firearms stored in a huge
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  Speaker 2: safe in his home. He lived by Baltimore, and then
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  Speaker 2: one morning he gets up super early he sees ATF
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  Speaker 2: agents run around outside. They kick in the door, They
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  Speaker 2: go down in his basement. They throw a stungernad into
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  Speaker 2: the room where his son is sleeping. They threw a
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  Speaker 2: stungernad into the living room. They tell him they're going
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  Speaker 2: to cut the front of his safe. He's like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I'll open up where I got nothing in there to
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  Speaker 2: worry about, And he didn't went through all his guns,
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  Speaker 2: said well, we're going to get back to you. Do
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  Speaker 2: you could be charged? Of course, they never took anything.
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  Speaker 2: Everything is illegal except for in my humble opinion, what
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  Speaker 2: they did to him again, ATF agent using a bad informant,
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  Speaker 2: said that he had illegal firearms. He had nothing illegal,
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  Speaker 2: and then they just terrorized the hell out of him
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  Speaker 2: and his family for no reason.
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  Speaker 1: Lee, in your world of reporting, you know that you
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  Speaker 1: have to be very careful about sourced information, and that
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  Speaker 1: you know in the media world, you do everything possible
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  Speaker 1: to find multiple sources. You don't report on one source
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  Speaker 1: for this very reason. How is it possible, Yeah, how
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  Speaker 1: is it possible that an agency with the amount of
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  Speaker 1: authority and power it has doesn't follow what basic journalism requires.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when I was a police officer. I worked dope,
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  Speaker 2: I worked gangs. If we had an informant say hey,
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  Speaker 2: there are bad things in this house, we would always
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  Speaker 2: get a second opinion. And you know, you work enough
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  Speaker 2: CI's confidential informants, eventually you know when they're telling the
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  Speaker 2: truth of when they're lying. And when you've got a
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  Speaker 2: guy who's facing charges, he's probably going to give you
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  Speaker 2: a name or number. You got to be really careful.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And the ATF isn't isn't. Brian Melanowski, Mark Chupamanley Russell Fincher,
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  Speaker 2: and Patrick Tata Domiak all were hurt in these non
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  Speaker 2: legal terms because the HF doesn't know that anything about
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  Speaker 2: an informant Tata Domiak.
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  Speaker 1: Patrick is sitting in prison and has he was about
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  Speaker 1: to be a Navy seal officer but now is in
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  Speaker 1: prison and why.
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  Speaker 2: He's on the third year of his twenty year sentence. Again,
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  Speaker 2: ATF kicked in the door. They found nothing illegal, so
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  Speaker 2: they bring in this kid, and I mean he's a kid,
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  Speaker 2: He's got nothing going on in his life to stop there.
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  Speaker 2: He's an ATF employee, he's not a special agent. And
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  Speaker 2: what he does is he uses his creativity to take
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  Speaker 2: the stuff the legal items that Tate had in his
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  Speaker 2: safe and turn them into bad things. For example, he
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  Speaker 2: had a toy sten. You want one, to cost you
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  Speaker 2: about one hundred bucks to mail it right to your house.
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  Speaker 2: This kid took a real Sten barrel, real Sten action,
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  Speaker 2: mounted him in the in the toy Sten, couldn't get
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  Speaker 2: a magazine to fit, so it fired one round. Boom,
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  Speaker 2: it's a machine gun. They're still sold online. Everything that
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  Speaker 2: Tate had is still available online. Half most of it.
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  Speaker 2: You don't even need a driver's license or any kind
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  Speaker 2: of federal paperwork to get it. It's just amazing how
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  Speaker 2: badly they went after Tate. They found nothing there illegal. Boom.
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  Speaker 2: They went right after it.
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  Speaker 1: You could walk around my studio right now, Lee, and
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  Speaker 1: you could take different things that are in my studio
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  Speaker 1: and create quote, an assault weapons. That's what this guy did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Jeffrey R. Bodell, he's not an agent. He's an
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  Speaker 2: ATF firearms enforcement officer. This was the first trial he
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  Speaker 2: ever testified in. And I got to tell you, he's
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  Speaker 2: the reason that Tate is looking at twenty years. They
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  Speaker 2: tried to get him for thirty years, but his attorney
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  Speaker 2: got him out of ten years. But still, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this guy should be leading in the seal platoon and
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  Speaker 2: instead he's sitting in a prison in New Jersey. It's
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  Speaker 2: the most convoluted thing I've ever seen in my life.
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  Speaker 2: It is the most screwed up case I've ever seen
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  Speaker 2: in my life. You've got a guy in federal prison
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  Speaker 2: who's got seventy more years to serve, who literally did
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  Speaker 2: nothing wrong. Go to my story. We have all the
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  Speaker 2: documents where we examined every little bit of evidence, everything
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  Speaker 2: they took from him, and the documents are damning, but
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  Speaker 2: not for Domiak. They're damning for the ATF. They show
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  Speaker 2: that nothing he had was illegal. Not a thing he
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  Speaker 2: was charged with was illegal. It's just a botched trade.
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  Speaker 1: And that you can look up all of these items
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  Speaker 1: now and purchase them legally online.
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  Speaker 2: Right, absolutely, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Real, Quickly, what's the update on Tate's case.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's getting some attention from high levels, let's just
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  Speaker 2: put it that way. Whether or not he'll get a
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  Speaker 2: pardon yet, I don't know. I certainly pray he does.
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  Speaker 2: I really do. This kid does not need to be
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  Speaker 2: in prison. He needs to be running a seal platoon.
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  Speaker 1: Lee, thanks for all the work. You're doing, and again
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  Speaker 1: a reminder to all of you, Thegunwriter dot substack dot
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  Speaker 1: com take him up on the offer, look at the case,
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  Speaker 1: and then reach out and call. Don't write, don't send emails,
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  Speaker 1: call your congress, congressional representation in the House, and Senate Lee.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, my pleasures, Thank you, Sir Lee Williams with
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  Speaker 1: us this morning The gun Writer dot substack dot com
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  Speaker 1: on the Morning Show with Preston Scott
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  Speaker 2: Fix