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10-21-26 Hour 1 - Moser's sleep-deprived Avs analysis/Go get Jonathan Taylor/NBA season underway · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is Mosher, Lombardi, and Kane On Demand.
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  Speaker 1: Versus the Flyers. And tonight, a 4-3 loss against the Devils. Oh, no!
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  Speaker 3: We suck again! Alright, pretty miserable road trip for the Avs,
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  Speaker 3: and it feels like a very similar story to what
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  Speaker 3: happened against the Flyers, which is you come out of
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  Speaker 3: the gates incredibly slow. They jump on you, and it
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  Speaker 3: just takes you forever to find your footing in that game,
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  Speaker 3: and by the time that you do, it's too late.
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  Speaker 3: It's the same sort of story. And, um, I Once again,
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  Speaker 3: what I think is ruined in this is you got
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  Speaker 3: a pretty damn good performance from your goaltender, and it
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  Speaker 3: didn't matter because you couldn't get pucks on net early
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  Speaker 3: in the game.
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  Speaker 1: Too little, too late. Too little, too late is what
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  Speaker 1: it looked like to me. Yeah. And I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if that's how it looked from your vantage point, but
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  Speaker 1: it's unfortunate that they just can't get it going. At
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  Speaker 1: one point in that game, I believe shots on goal
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  Speaker 1: were 37 to 14, and that is not avalanche hockey.
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  Speaker 3: I think they're 23-5, like midway through the second. That's
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  Speaker 3: just crazy.
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  Speaker 1: That's not avalanche hockey. They finished 41-34, but that's only
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  Speaker 1: because of the assault at the net late when they
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  Speaker 1: had to get back into it. Right. But just that alone,
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  Speaker 1: giving up 41 shots, that's just not avalanche hockey. They
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  Speaker 1: look slow. The coach sounded mad. The players sound fatigued.
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  Speaker 1: Dare I say it, at times they look old. That
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  Speaker 1: breakaway goal by that kid to make it. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what I was watching last night. That is
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  Speaker 1: not what I'm used to seeing out of the avalanche.
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  Speaker 1: We're used to seeing a certain product, and that wasn't it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, here is Bednar after the game.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we looked slow, unenergetic tonight. Like, I don't know. Like,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't like any of those either of these games.
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  Speaker 4: Losing races, losing battles. Like, it starts there kind of
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  Speaker 4: for me. We waited way too long to start playing.
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  Speaker 4: They looked like they were energized and doing all the
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  Speaker 4: right things.
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  Speaker 1: Even tonight, I didn't think we.
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  Speaker 4: Managed to talk very well, but it was more than that.
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  Speaker 4: I think we started playing in the third period and
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  Speaker 4: Matt didn't check the sheet, but I'm guessing we had
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  Speaker 4: more shots in the third period than we had the
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  Speaker 4: rest of the game combined. We had more scoring chances
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  Speaker 4: in the third period than the rest of the game combined.
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  Speaker 4: We gave up less in the third period than we
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  Speaker 4: did the.
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  Speaker 3: Rest of the game combined. They wait too long. They
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  Speaker 3: have been. And look, it's 10 games into the season.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like I'm panicking right now, but right now
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  Speaker 3: they're 500 through 10 games, which has been pretty rare
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  Speaker 3: for this team over the last couple of years. It also, like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you've noticed this, Vic. McKinnon's looked
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  Speaker 3: off in these last few games. Like, I don't get
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  Speaker 3: what's going on there. Three of his last four games,
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  Speaker 3: he's been held to a zero. in the points category,
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  Speaker 3: despite the fact that he is 16 through 10 games.
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  Speaker 3: So that's felt weird. If there was any good thing
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  Speaker 3: that happened last night, the first goal that was scored
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  Speaker 3: by Landis God, that was set up by my car
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  Speaker 3: dancing through about four different people was beautiful. And it's
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  Speaker 3: a reminder of how damn good kale McCarr is, but
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  Speaker 3: it's also a reminder of that's, that's how the app
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  Speaker 3: should operate. That one play Vic is okay. Kale makes
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  Speaker 3: an all world type of play by maneuvering in between traffic.
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  Speaker 3: But what else does he do? He puts the puck
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  Speaker 3: on net, Landy's there in front of the net for
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  Speaker 3: a rebound, and he pounds it home. And they haven't
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  Speaker 3: done that enough at the start of this year.
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  Speaker 1: I had a friend of mine who is a passionate,
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  Speaker 1: passionate hockey fan. He watches every game, outside of the
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  Speaker 1: Avs as well. He watches hockey, consumes it like nothing.
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  Speaker 1: And he texted me in the middle of the game
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  Speaker 1: last night. This is before the final result. He said,
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  Speaker 1: the Avs are out of position. They're being outskated. They're
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  Speaker 1: literally being beaten in almost every stat to the puck,
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  Speaker 1: neutral zone trap turnovers, low in the face-offs. That was
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  Speaker 1: an embarrassing performance, he writes, and I've watched every Avalanche
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  Speaker 1: hockey game over the last 20 years. He says he's,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that was in the middle of the game.
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  Speaker 1: That was in the middle of the game he saw it. So,
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  Speaker 1: and what it does, you know, losing to a Jersey
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  Speaker 1: team that obviously looked quick, It accentuates the game before.
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  Speaker 1: You can't lose to Philly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you walk out with a split. You can
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  Speaker 1: stomach a split, obviously. You can stomach something, but you
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  Speaker 1: go to that East Coast swing two games, you come
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  Speaker 1: home with nothing. Well....
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  Speaker 3: I mean, both games. Both games are like that for me. Like,
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  Speaker 3: you just play bad in both of them. Kael McCarr
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  Speaker 3: said so after the game.
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  Speaker 5: I just felt like we were kind of behind it
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  Speaker 5: most of the night. Just not a great first two periods,
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  Speaker 5: and then I gave up a tough one in the third, so...
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes you have it, sometimes you don't. And just felt
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  Speaker 5: like we were kind of chasing it tonight. Just the
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  Speaker 5: way we played in those two games, I don't think
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  Speaker 5: it's up to our standard. And I think we all
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  Speaker 5: know that. And regardless of if guys are tired or
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  Speaker 5: just a couple off games here, but we'll get back
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  Speaker 5: to it and get back to the grind. But yeah, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 5: just not a good, not good enough from everybody these
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  Speaker 5: past two.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's for where the abs are at. Again, it's
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  Speaker 3: 10 games into the season. I am not, Vic, my
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  Speaker 3: hand is not near a panic button. I don't feel
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  Speaker 3: any sort of emotion like that. It's more just like
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  Speaker 3: I'm almost just disappointed. I'm like, oh, you can play
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  Speaker 3: better than that. I know you can.
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  Speaker 1: Especially the way they started, right? The way they started
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  Speaker 1: the season. Yes. Going goals galore.
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  Speaker 3: Think about this. Where the Avs are at right now, yes,
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  Speaker 3: they're a 500 hockey team through 10 games.
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  Speaker 1: They're fourth in the division, by the way. That's weird
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  Speaker 1: to see them fourth in the division.
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  Speaker 2: But.
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  Speaker 3: Up until the Stars back-to-back ended, I think we were
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  Speaker 3: all pretty happy with how they've played this year. It
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  Speaker 3: all kind of started with the Penguins game. Remember, they,
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  Speaker 3: in the first period, gave up two quick goals, got
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  Speaker 3: in a hole, but they're good enough to come back
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  Speaker 3: and win a game. So they win 5-2, and the
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  Speaker 3: final score doesn't tell the full story of what that
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  Speaker 3: game was. But that's where this sort of sluggish, slow
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  Speaker 3: start thing began, right? and it's just continued these next
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  Speaker 3: couple of games, and then you've been burned for it.
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  Speaker 3: I'll say this. If they had the same record, but
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  Speaker 3: they were losing games because goaltending wasn't good enough, I'd
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  Speaker 3: have a much different feeling towards this, but that's not
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  Speaker 3: been the case. Like, I thought Blackwood was fine the
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  Speaker 3: other night. I thought that Wedgwood was good last night.
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  Speaker 3: Here's Bednar and Wedgwood.
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  Speaker 1: It was great.
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  Speaker 4: I put it like a little bit like Blackwood yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: He gave us a chance. If we start playing earlier,
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  Speaker 4: like the urgency in the third period, like, puck pursuit,
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  Speaker 4: checking pucks back, being relentless. That showed up in the
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  Speaker 4: third period. Wedge kept us in for 40 minutes of
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  Speaker 4: that game to give us a chance to be able
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  Speaker 4: to try and come back. I thought Blackie did the
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  Speaker 4: same thing yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: That's the thing. I'm actually encouraged is the wrong word,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm glad that these losses aren't because of goaltending
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  Speaker 3: because that's something that would be... I mean, I think
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  Speaker 3: would shake your faith a little bit. My faith is
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  Speaker 3: not shaken that Nathan McKinnon hasn't had a point in
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  Speaker 3: two games. He'll figure it out. It's a much different feeling.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why I'm like, I'm not even close to
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  Speaker 3: hitting some sort of panic button. I'm like, it's fine.
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  Speaker 3: They will be okay. But that back-to-back performance just isn't acceptable,
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  Speaker 3: especially at the beginning of games. I.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where they go from here outside of
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  Speaker 1: coming home and making those adjustments. And we're going to
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  Speaker 1: hear from Coach Bednar tomorrow, right? His schedule has been
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  Speaker 1: adjusted as well. Yes. And probably better off because he'll
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  Speaker 1: have a chance to. to digest what they just did
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  Speaker 1: after two games. But tomorrow, I'm very interested to see.
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  Speaker 1: Logan O'Connor is supposed to be back for this next game.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah, that's what I was going to say. He
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  Speaker 3: was on that long-term IR, but it was retroactive back
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  Speaker 3: to a certain date. He should be able to go
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  Speaker 3: against Tampa on Friday. Now, again, if you guys are
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  Speaker 3: looking for Bednar at 8 o'clock this morning, he is
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  Speaker 3: going to be moved to tomorrow because they didn't get
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  Speaker 3: in until 3 o'clock in the morning, which reminds me, Vic,
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  Speaker 3: we did have Mosher do something. Mosher's not going to
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  Speaker 3: be on the show today. Mosher has to sleep.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine Mosher, a sleepless Mosher, after an 0
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  Speaker 1: for 2 road trip, getting in at 3.30 in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: Could you imagine his presence on this show this morning?
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  Speaker 3: So instead what we did, we said, Mosher, just do
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  Speaker 3: us one favor. Wait until you get home at 3.30,
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  Speaker 3: 4 o'clock in the morning, whatever it is, and then
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  Speaker 3: give us your breakdown of the game. I want to
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  Speaker 3: hear Exhausted Mosher talk about it. So, Nelly, go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: Dudes, what's up?
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  Speaker 2: 2.35 in the morning.
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  Speaker 3: Home.
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  Speaker 1: Just loaded in.
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  Speaker 2: Got everything sort of sorted. But I am not coming
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  Speaker 2: in tomorrow. Or, I mean, today. That means I would
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  Speaker 2: get less than a four hour sleep. That is not
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  Speaker 2: going to happen because I am exhausted on the back.
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  Speaker 3: I just want the breakdown.
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  Speaker 2: And the league sent us back East.
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  Speaker 3: Just give me the breakdown. Just give me the breakdown
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  Speaker 3: on the East coast.
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  Speaker 2: That never happens. Talk about the game.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about the game.
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  Speaker 2: If I had to come in today.
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  Speaker 1: Still talking.
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  Speaker 2: In this kind of mood. Just talk about the game.
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  Speaker 2: And see your faces.
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  Speaker 1: Still just random talking.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure I could handle it. You know, Vic's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a total. And Brett's going to sit
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  Speaker 2: there and stare at me and laugh his ass off.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not in the mood for it right now. I
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  Speaker 2: know you think, oh, okay. Moj, oh, yeah. Three hours sleep, man.
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  Speaker 2: Just giddy and spicy. No, I'm not even remotely in
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  Speaker 2: the mood. I'd rather just take a stick and hit
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  Speaker 2: you on the shins.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway. It's been a minute. Not one commentary about the game.
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  Speaker 1: How long was that?
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  Speaker 6: That was just over a minute. No, there's plenty more.
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  Speaker 6: I just wanted to give you that first.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, cool.
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  Speaker 1: But that was a minute of him just saying he's tired.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, exactly right. All right, continue.
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  Speaker 1: Dudes, listen, tough, tough.
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  Speaker 2: Not good starts. And then you can't get into gear.
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  Speaker 2: It started with Pittsburgh on Friday, but you can't get
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  Speaker 2: into gear. And by the time you get into gear,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you're behind.
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  Speaker 1: The eight ball.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what Philly did, believe it or not. And
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  Speaker 2: by the way, they played a really good game. Their
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  Speaker 2: structure was really good. The Devils gave you opportunities, but
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  Speaker 2: you didn't capitalize. It was there for you to take
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  Speaker 2: it early on. Or not early on, sorry, second period,
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  Speaker 2: but it didn't happen. So listen, don't listen to me. Listen,
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  Speaker 2: I can come in and talk to you until I'm
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  Speaker 2: blue in the face about what transpired, but listen to
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  Speaker 2: Coach Bednar, listen to Kale McCarr, to their postgame comments.
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  Speaker 2: They'll tell you exactly what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: This team is way good.
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  Speaker 2: They're way going to fix it, but listen to what
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  Speaker 2: they said because that's accurate.
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  Speaker 1: He still hasn't said anything.
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  Speaker 2: And they'll tell you exactly what the story is right now.
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  Speaker 2: Tampa will come in on Friday, and I expect a way, way,
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  Speaker 2: way better performance.
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  Speaker 1: But I've not heard anything, any analysis yet.
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  Speaker 2: Quick two-game roadie, not good. And even through 10 games,
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  Speaker 2: 10-game segments, they're 5-4-1. Okay, you're on the positive side.
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  Speaker 1: Hell, Nelly could have said that.
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  Speaker 2: This team is way better than that. They know it.
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  Speaker 2: So expect to see that in the future.
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  Speaker 3: How much longer is this?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, he did say goodbye. He wasn't going to
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  Speaker 6: leave without saying bye if you want that.
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  Speaker 1: But why did they play poorly?
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  Speaker 3: No, he just said, it's bad, and I think it'll
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  Speaker 3: get better. All right, go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you all this on Thursday. I don't care
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  Speaker 1: about Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing to even really say. Broncos don't play until Sunday,
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  Speaker 2: so that. I'll give you all my analysis about the
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  Speaker 2: Cardinals and about– everything else.
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  Speaker 1: Analysis.
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  Speaker 2: That's all I got.
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  Speaker 1: Analysis. Daily analysis. We've got is you're tired.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to throw some laundry in the washing machine.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to go to bed.
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  Speaker 2: I'll see you on Thursday and we'll get her done.
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  Speaker 1: That was all right. Dude's late.
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  Speaker 3: That one was a little bit close. That was a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of a close one.
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  Speaker 1: I guarantee he is cuddling next to his phone and
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  Speaker 1: he's still continuing his daily regimen of what he does
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  Speaker 1: when he comes back. I mean, But at no point
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  Speaker 1: did he mention, like, the shots on goal. Why are
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  Speaker 1: they not generating? Why are they giving up so many shots?
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  Speaker 1: Why did they give up so many shots? Where is
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  Speaker 1: the analysis? Why is the trap hurting them so much
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  Speaker 1: right now?
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  Speaker 3: His analysis was, go bleep yourself. I think that was
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  Speaker 3: what I gathered.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: His analysis was, go bleep yourself, and I got new
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  Speaker 1: laundry started.
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  Speaker 2: Broncos don't play until Sunday, so that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's going to be what I do on this show. Guys,
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  Speaker 3: thank you for tuning in. The Broncos don't play until Sunday,
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  Speaker 3: so bleep that.
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  Speaker 1: That would make for a much better show if we
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  Speaker 1: just said that every day. What do you want from me?
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  Speaker 1: Broncos don't play until Sunday, so bleep that.
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  Speaker 3: Can I be honest with you, Vic?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I hate that I love that. I really do. I
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  Speaker 3: hate that I love that.
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  Speaker 1: That you love what exactly?
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  Speaker 3: Mosher's entire voicemail or whatever he just sent right there.
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  Speaker 3: I actually loved it. And I hate that I loved it.
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  Speaker 3: I actually think Mosher, when he's tired, is at his funniest.
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  Speaker 2: But I am not coming in tomorrow. I mean....
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  Speaker 1: Today. He kills me.
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  Speaker 3: Tired Mosher is just, he's like Norm MacDonald to me.
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  Speaker 3: He's George Carlin. He's the best.
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  Speaker 1: You're so right about that. He is the closest thing
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: to Norm MacDonald that exists. So to Norm MacDonald, and
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: there's a great documentary on Netflix right now. Norm MacDonald
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: was the king of the long form joke. You had
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  Speaker 1: to really be patient. And that's Mosher. A long form,
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  Speaker 1: what was that about? Total of five minutes? About three
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  Speaker 1: minutes total. Yeah. Okay. It felt like 50. It did.
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  Speaker 3: It felt long.
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  Speaker 1: And I still don't know what he had to say
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  Speaker 1: about the game.
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  Speaker 2: Um, if I had to come in today in this
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  Speaker 2: kind of mood and see your.
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  Speaker 1: Faces.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: 303-504-0925.
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  Speaker 3: Um, Altitude Sports Radio's coverage of high school football all
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  Speaker 3: hair back after this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure I can handle it. You know, Vic's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a total b * * * *.
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  Speaker 2: The Broncos don't play until Sunday, so b * *
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  Speaker 2: * * that.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: Well, I got a thought on the Broncos, even though
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  Speaker 3: they don't play until Sunday. What do you think about that, Mosh?
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  Speaker 1: B * * * * that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Vic, can we just go to hypothetical land for a second?
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  Speaker 3: Just join me, please. Join me. Because people are talking
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  Speaker 3: about this, and let's go through the thought exercise.
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  Speaker 1: These are the hypotheticals, right? I love them.
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  Speaker 3: What if we talked to Adam Schefter yesterday? I asked him, hey,
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  Speaker 3: all these things about the Colts and them firing Chris Ballard,
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: are they in for some sort of fire sale this year?
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  Speaker 1: Because.
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  Speaker 3: You know, are they going to try and start over?
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  Speaker 3: And it's reasonable to think that. I mean, Vic, when
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  Speaker 3: you fire your GM, and your quarterback is very clearly
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: not there for the long haul. They aren't keeping Daniel
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Jones past this year. You're probably restarting. Is it the
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: best idea to restart with a 27, about to be
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: 28-year-old running back? He'll turn that in January. And I
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: think that's a legitimate question. Like, despite how good he is,
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: is that valuable to a team in a rebuild? That's
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: a question.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Brett. Yeah. I'm going to stop you. The Broncos are
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: paying J.K. Dobbins $ 8 billion a year.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: Say that again?
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: How much are the Denver Broncos paying J.K. Dobbins per year?
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: And how long is that contract? Oh, no.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: His contract is negligible. Like, it's nothing. He is getting
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: next year. I mean, they can get rid of this
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: contract for nothing at the end of this year.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Okay. So you can dispose of that contract?
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the out is $ 2 million in dead cap.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: It's nothing. That's what I wanted to make sure.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't pay J.K. Dobbins long-term. Why would they?
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: He's hurt all the time. They knew that. My question is,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: and somebody disagreed with me, on the surface, do I
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: think that paying a high-end premium in the trade game
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: for a running back is smart business? Probably not. It's
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: probably not the wise thing to do, especially for a
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: guy who, I think Jonathan Taylor has years left where
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: he's going to play at a very, very high level.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: But do you know what's crazy, Vic? He's 27 years old.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Do you know how many years he's been.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: In the league? Seven.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: That's a lot of tread on the tires for a
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: guy at that position. Would I be willing to do
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: that for this team?
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: 100%.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: You're in a Super Bowl window.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I believe that if you go all in on the
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: run game, great. You go get a guy like that.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: What if it still doesn't work? Then what?
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Well, then, if it doesn't work with Jonathan Taylor, then
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: you either have a giant schematic problem or your offensive
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: line is propped up by fraudulent PFF stats.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Schematically. Maybe they know it doesn't work.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: I could tell you this, and I know this to
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: be true 1,000%. This is fact. Sean Payton believes his
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: running back room is perfectly fine. Perfectly fine. He doesn't
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: think it's the running backs. That's a fact. I know
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: that to be true.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: I will tell you this for a fact. None of
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: those guys is Jonathan Taylor.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: I understand that. But we're talking about the run game.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: We're not talking about a runner. We're talking about the
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: run game. He doesn't believe the run game is not working.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: He doesn't think it's a running back problem.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, let me ask you a question. Again, I don't
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: know the answer to this, and if he believes that,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: then Sean Payton's a good offensive mind. Whatever. If J.K.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Dobbins played in Kansas City, does he look like Kenneth Walker?
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: There's no way. There's no way that happens.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: If R.J.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Harvey did, there's no way. Jonah Coleman, we don't know.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: We haven't seen him. All I'm saying is, that can
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: be true. You can think your running backs are better
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: than the production that they're getting, and there's other factors
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: as to why they aren't. Also, if... And we don't
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: know this to be the case. Again, this is a
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: hypothetical because everybody's talking about it.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: But if.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: The Colts are going into fire sale mode, and we
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: just traded two first-round picks last year for Sauce Gardner
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: because we thought we were all in for a Super Bowl.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Turns out we aren't close. We should recoup some draft stuff.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: if they are willing to dangle him out there, I
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: am more than willing to make multiple phone calls.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: So you're in the DMACC camp just to blank them picks.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: They gave up a first already for what they did
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: last season.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: They already paid up for that one, though. Like, that
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: one's already gone.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Okay. So how many firsts do you give up? during
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: this window and and the window we speak of is
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: the window everybody speaks of what's the window that we
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: always speak of.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: The rookie quarterback window yeah.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Now there's questions about your rookie quarterback I mean there's
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: questions galore.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: So here is you say multiple first round picks I
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: don't do that I'm not giving up multiple first round.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: So so you you believe they take one first round pick.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Well here's an example do you remember the Christian McCaffrey
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: trade From Carolina to San Francisco.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey's not only a great running back, he is
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: a multi-purpose sort of unicorn back. He's a wide receiver
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: as much as he is a running back, right? Well,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: here's what they got. The Panthers got a second, a third,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: a fourth, and a fifth.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: That's half your draft class.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Now, multiple years of those, but.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: But that was Christian McCaffrey, young Christian McCaffrey. We're talking
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: old Jonathan. I would think like second round pick with
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: something else thrown in there is pretty close to what
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: the value should be, which I'd absolutely be willing to do.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: When did that McCaffrey trade take place?
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: It was 2022.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: After the season or during the season?
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Right around this exact day in 2022. This exact day.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: So that's a lot of picks to give up, bro.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, you spend a lot of time trying to
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: renew your.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Having said that, the Broncos had a lot of picks
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: this last draft, and a lot of them didn't stick.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because they had already a pretty loaded lineup.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. They already had every spot filled. So how...
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: How valuable are those picks if spots are already filled?
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Now, you're facing big questions here after the season. You're facing, like,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: do you want to keep rolling with Ben Powers? Do
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: you want to keep Mike McGlinchey here? Like, there's big questions.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: But the point, just on the surface to me, if
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: you can tell me a team that is 4-2 with
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: one of the best defenses in the NFL and an
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: offense that can't do anything right now, they can't throw
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: or pass, you want to give me a top five
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: running back in the lead for a second and a
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: fourth or something like that? I'd be like, sign me
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: the hell up for that. Because I think this team,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: just think about this, Vic, a good rushing attack, what
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: that would do for Bo Nix, what that would do
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: for your offense overall, you wouldn't be going three and
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: out every drive. I'll tell you what wouldn't happen with
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor, even if Sean Payton loves the running backs here.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't be getting 15 yards outside of two drives
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: for an entire game.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: But, I mean, again, that's the assumption we are making,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: that it's a running back problem. And it's easy to
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: make those assumptions from our seat. We don't know what
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: they really believe. We don't know what they look at
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: on film, what they see schematically. It could be more
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: than just a running back problem. It could be entirely
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: a scheme problem. The way they block it. Who's blocking it?
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: How committed are you to it?
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: To go to another position, running backs who are good
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: look good. You know, Larry Fitzgerald caught passes from John
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Skelton and had 1,000 yard seasons.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: So if you put Barry Sanders on this offense, everything
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: would look different?
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: He's going to produce.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Like, look, he might not be, like, the greatest ever
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: because the stuff in front of him isn't the greatest,
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: but he would produce, like, to a very high level
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: because he's a very high-level player.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I do believe it's sad to, you know, to await
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: the re-arrival of Jonah Coleman as your savior to help
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: the run game. And that's where they stand right now.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Like, everybody's putting their faith in,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: think about what we're talking about, a fourth-round rookie running
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: back that we haven't really seen play. And we're like, well,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: when he comes back, hopefully that changes everything. It's like, man,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: that's a weird thing to put faith in. And I
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: love Jonah Coleman as much as anybody else from what
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: we saw, the limited stuff that we've seen from him.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: But that's a weird spot to put all your eggs
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: in the basket of. Because I think one thing is clear.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Would you agree with me on this, Vic? And this
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: would go counter to what I guess Sean Payton thinks,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: but J.K. Dobbins doesn't have the burst that he did
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: last year. When something does open up.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more than the burst. I noticed it in
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: one play the other night, the other day, when he
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: had a great run that looked like J.K. He was
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: patient at the line of scrimmage. I'm not sensing the
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: patience anymore. And I don't know if that's an instruction
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: from his coaches, but you know what I mean by that, right? Yeah.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: He had one beautiful run, ran it left off tackle,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: where he sidestepped two players, and I think it was
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: a gain of 16. I thought it was his best
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: run of the season.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: It was, but that run in particular, Vic, that's one
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: of the things I'm talking about, which is that felt
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: like a run last year that J.K. Dobbins gets 25
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: to 30 instead of 16 off of. Like, he hit
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: open space and then immediately was caught.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the one thing about these dudes. When we
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: watched Kenneth Walker up close game one, the ability to
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: take it the distance, to house call it, the ability
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: to rip off a 40-yarder like nothing. I don't know
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: if the Broncos have that.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Well, and more than that, if you have a problem
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: up front, if the problem's not with your backs, then
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: you have to have a back that makes somebody miss.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: You got to make one guy miss then in order
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: to pick up some yards. And I don't know how many,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: I know they track these. I don't know how accurate
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: they are. I'll have to look it up. But I
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: would be very curious to see how many missed tackles
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: forced the Broncos running backs have had this year. Because
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's a lot.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Missed tackles forced. Missed tackles forced.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: It's basically like you juke somebody and they miss. I
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: don't know. They track missed tackles on defense. It's the
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: same thing. I don't know how many times the running
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: backs have done that for the Broncos this year.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not slippery is what you're saying. Yes, exactly.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: There's no slippery players.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Like R.J. Harvey out of the past game in open field,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: he has a little bit of that. But if you're
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: talking somebody between the tackles, all right, I hit the
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: hole and I just make a linebacker miss at the
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: line of scrimmage and now a two-yard run turns into
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: a seven-yard run.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Watch Atlanta. Watch Atlanta, and you'll get a lot of
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: slippery players.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, Atlanta, Detroit, Indy, Philly when Saquon's healthy. Like, you
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: see that all the time. Even do Buffalo. James Cook
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: does it every single week.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Multiple people. James Cook, albeit he's got fumble issues, he
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: had a play I was watching on Sunday where he
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: got to the line of scrimmage. The linebacker was staring
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: at him like he's staring at a mirror, and he
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: gave him one of these shoulder moves. Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: And 15 yards down the sideline. Yeah, that's exactly what
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: you're referring to as well.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: I just don't think any of these guys, and maybe
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Jonah Coleman does have it, and we just haven't seen
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: it yet because he hasn't been healthy. But you know
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: what's funny is that Texter brings this up. I was
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: just talking about him and the appetizer. Javante Williams struck
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: me as one of those guys, and it's why the
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Broncos let him go, that he wasn't slippery like that.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Last year, he averaged 4.8 yards per carry for the Cowboys.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: And for me, Vic, my running back Mendoza line is
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: like you have to have a four at that yards
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: per carry number. Anything sub that is not good enough.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: And if you're at like four and a half, you're
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: a good back. If you're around five, you're really, really good.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Javante this year is at 3.7. And the Cowboys offense
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: has been struggling the last couple of weeks. It's why
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: they lost. Their defense has actually played better. But I
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: think he's not slippery like that. And I like that word.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Because it's just like, you want to look like your
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: guy's greased up. Remember how Kenneth Walker made the Broncos
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: defense look the first week of the season? Even when
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: they got hands on him, it was like he was gone.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: We're like, is this guy covered in Crisco? What's going
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: on here? I just don't think they have somebody like that,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: and I would be more than willing to give away
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: picks to go find one.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: More than willing. Holy crap. I'm sorry. I made a
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: comment last night, and I just went to my Twitter mentions,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: and I'm being assaulted by Oklahoma City fans. Uh-oh. What'd
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: you say? Holy moly.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: I do want to get to basketball in a second,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: but go ahead. What'd you say?
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Andy Bailey, who's a friend, he covers basketball. says it's
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: hard to watch a basketball team that games the officials
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: to the point that it's a core piece of who
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: they are. To which I replied, you must be watching OKC?
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: And that led to an onslaught of angry people. You're
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: a soft-ass soft blank blank. Folks like you just like
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: to talk. It's the same BS. Probably didn't even watch
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: the game. I did. Get ready for that belt to
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: blank Thursday night, Vic.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: You riled up the Oklahomans?
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: The Oklahoma, the panhandle is. Panhandle's hurting. Yeah. That panhandle's
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: at work.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Vic's going to be a total.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Tell you something right now. OKC looks the exact same.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Exact same.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Shea takes 30 shots. And they play great defense.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: There was one shot that Shea took. And he had
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Dylan Harper guarding him. And Dylan Harper played extraordinary defense.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Put a hand in his face. And they gave... Shea
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: a plus one, an and one. And the announcers are like,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Harper didn't do anything. There's no foul. But Shea does
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the usual, I just, you know, somebody hit me with
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: a knife, I'm dying. Yeah, exactly. It's the usual. And
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: that's when, it's just so... This was supposed to be
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: the year of doing everything you can to eliminate that
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: from the game, especially from the offensive player. Right. And
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: it works both ways. I want them to eliminate it
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: from Nuggets players who do it as well. I want
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: it eliminated. And it's the same old, same old. Nothing's changed.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I watched game one.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I just looked this up. I had to look
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: something up because, and we'll get to basketball in a
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: couple minutes. But a texture says this. According to AI,
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Dobbins has one missed tackle for us this year. Jonathan
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Taylor has 13. So I looked this up. There are
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: 42 qualifying backs in the category of missed tackle rate
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: in the NFL this year.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: 42.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Where do you think J.K. Dobbins ranks in that?
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's a great question. Missed tackle rate. I'll say
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: he ranks 35.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: 39th.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: There are only.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Three backs in that have qualified for the stat that
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: are worse in the category.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Wow, they have stats for everything. So, Slippery, who's number one?
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: That I don't have. I just have J.K.'s. Hang on
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: one second.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I wonder if Walker's number one. I wonder if Bijan.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Bijan's got to be top five. 100% top five. I mean,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: think about all the running backs. Kyron Williams has got
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: to be top five. If I were to guess it, Williams, Bijan,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker, the Buffalo back.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker's the leader. Then it's Jameer Gibbs.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Then it's Jalen Warren. Jalen Warren's had a good year in.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh, by the way. Yeah, no surprise. Yeah, those... Yeah,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's the definition, basically, of a running back,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: to keep running after a contact.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Make a guy miss and just keep going. And Kenneth
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Walker is unreal in this category. It says he's forcing
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: 35% mishaps.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: 35%.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Which is nuts. So that's all on a minimum of
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: 50 touches throughout the year. But I think that's what
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: you're missing. Like, if you don't have an offensive line
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: or you don't have a scheme that you think is
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: good enough, then your running back's got to make a
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: play for you. You can't just throw your hands up
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: and be like, well, I guess we can't run the
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: football then. It's like, you got to be able to
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: do something. So yeah, just to reiterate... If teams are,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: if it's Philly, if it's Indianapolis, if it's whoever is
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: looking to, hey, we might have to do a whole
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: restart here. Let's get rid of the big guns. Well,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: then consider me a buyer. Let me buy 303-504-0925. Shop Mazda.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Text line one price, one person, one hour. Get to
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: the opening day of the NBA next. All right, so
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: the NBA opened up their season yesterday. It started at
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: 1 o'clock in the afternoon, which if you were tuning
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: in to Boston and Detroit, you would have seen a
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: 20-point comeback in the fourth quarter from the Pistons to
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: beat the Boston Celtics 121-113. But also, Vic, in that game,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: it was the debut of Paul George, who put up
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: 38 points in his debut for the Celtics.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: He scored in a losing effort, and the Celtics just
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: aren't the same, obviously. Detroit is going to be a problem.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: They're getting better. Their young players are getting better. They
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: finally paid their big guy, so that's going to be
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: a problem. And then after that game, we saw Philly,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: which is supposed to be the super team this year, right?
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: And they withstood the Knicks. How did you feel watching
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: that Knicks-Philly game? The same assemblage of celebrities sitting front
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: row doing their thing. Yeah. Is that wearing on you yet?
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: I think I'm just... kind of whatever about it at
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: this point. I'll tell you what bothered me about that,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: and I was interested to see how the Philly thing
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: was going to go, and it was interesting to me.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: They basically, out of their top four guys within the lineup,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: it felt like a really even distribution of shot attempts
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: for everybody. Like LeBron got 13 and beat 15, Jalen
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Brown 14, Maxie 19, even Edgecombe got 10. Like they
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: spread the ball around. What I thought was really interesting
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: was they had, like, LeBron moonlighting as a center, guarding
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Carl Anthony Towns for a little bit of that game.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: And it was effective. It actually worked. And I wondered,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: are they, when they take Embiid out, just going to say, LeBron,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: you play the heavy. You play the heavy now.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I forgot how many times Embiid falls during a game.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Last night was a great reminder.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: He was bad.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: The amount of falling just last night alone. He is
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: the new Anthony Davis, right? He's taken over that mantle.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: He is 100% taking over Anthony Davis' role as the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: fall or the mop.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Interesting, though. The two guys in the league that you
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: would consider the biggest floppers who are the benefit... I
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: It's not just flopping, though. It's not just flopping. There's
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: a big difference, everybody. It's not just flopping. It's falling. Yes.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: It's falling. It's... Flopping is one thing. Everybody goes up and, ah,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: you got me. That's flopping. That's flopping.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: But.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Falling as a 7'2 monster. Monster. Right. To fall every
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: time there's contact. Do you realize the kind of contact
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: that necessitates Joel Embiid to fall? Every single time?
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Which seems like that would be more painful than just not.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: If there's good news, though, Vic. Two guys that you
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: would consider probably the two biggest foul merchants in the
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: league right now are Embiid and Shea. Do you know
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: how many combined free throws they had? I know it's
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: one game into the year, but they both got only
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: four free throws. And I'm wondering, I'm hoping, I'm praying,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: did the NBA go to their refs and say, hey,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: let's do a better job of not rewarding behavior like
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: that this year?
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: Maybe.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe. I hope so. I still saw Shea get rewarded
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: for an obvious flop. It's going to take a long
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: time to erase it from his game. He's still an
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: extraordinary player. That's what's sad about it. He still had
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: 32 points last night. Shea did. By the way, Oklahoma
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: City went to San Antonio. They got into a fight early.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: And it's always Jalen Williams in the middle of that fight.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Wemby was involved. And it emerged as an OKC win
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: because OKC is stacked. I still think OKC is the
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: best team in basketball.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, Vic.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: And it's not even close in my book.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: They once again last night, they went 11 deep off
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: their bench.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Dude, Jared McClain. We trust everybody. Jared McClain comes off
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: the bench and hits six threes.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: McCain. McCain.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Hits six threes. Six of eight from three and made
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: it look easy.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: So he was in Philly before this.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: I felt like he was a decent player. I wonder
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: why they let him go.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Um.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I think they're moving the chairs around. They were doing that.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: He was let go by the previous regime before that
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: regime was let go.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: True, true. Here's the other thing, though, and this is...
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: I don't want to sit here and glaze Oklahoma City,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: but they're a very good basketball team.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, they're great.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: What they did to Wemby is remarkable. He was 0
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: of 12 to start that game. Remember, this guy's 7'5.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: He can get a shot off whenever and wherever he
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: wants to on the floor. They were rejecting him on oops... Like,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: they didn't let him get an alley-oop in that game.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: That was a, um, okay.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: He made one shot all day.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: And this is all I ask out of the Nuggets, right?
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: You know how I feel about this. Who do you
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: think was more motivated to win that game last night?
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: OKC or San Antonio?
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: No question, OKC.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, why?
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Because they lost in the playoffs to that team.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: And they were sort of shoved around, right? Yes. Who
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: did the shoving last night?
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: OKC did.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: A lot of it. And they kept bringing it and
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: bringing it. And I love that reaction. I love that response.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I love that attitude. And that's as a team, they decided, yeah,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: we're not, we're not doing this. And that's, that's all
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I want. That's all I want to see. Like the
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: first time the nuggets play Minnesota. So what I want
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: to see. Yeah. Don't you?
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Of course I do. I wanted to see it in
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: the playoffs.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Um, Some of the comments, by the way, more comments
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: are coming in, I guess, since maybe we got Oklahoma
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: City fans listening to our radio show right now. When
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I took a shot at OKC last night, probably ill-advised.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: But here we go. Oh, yay. The blank is back.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Someone take grandpa to bed. See you losers on Thursday.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Can't wait for more tears.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: All right, grandpa, let's get you to bed. Is this
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: on your Twitter?
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, just on my Twitter. Man, you're a sad,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: sad loser. Yeah, I agree with that. Cry, B. The
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: lamest nerd in the league is back. You're a once
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: sad dude.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Here's what I don't get. Like, this is what I
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: don't understand about sports fans. It's like, you love your team.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: And we've acknowledged over and over again how good Oklahoma
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: City is. I just said this like five times.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: They're an extraordinary basketball team.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: If they ask me about Nikola Jokic, I'm going to
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: say he's the best player in the world, in my opinion.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: And he is a flopper.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: He flops.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Nikola Jokic does flop. He does not get foul calls
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: or free throws like other guys do, I should say.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: He does not get to the free throw line like
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: others do, but he does flop.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know why that's hard to say.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: When it's very obvious. I'm telling you, sometimes in the panhandle,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: they don't get internet.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: They don't get the games.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing, though. Going back to Wimby and his
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: one of 13 performance from the floor last night.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Are you calling the panhandle?
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: This is them trying to connect to their streaming here
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: to get their games out there in Oklahoma.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: I actually kind of missed that, the old dial-up. Let's
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: dial up and hop on here. Here's the thing about Wemby.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: The game's via Pony Express.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: If Wemby, who goes one of 13 from the floor,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: and I know that there's this big debate, who's the
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: best player in the league? Is it Shea?
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Is it Wemby? Is it Jokic?
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: That's basically your three. That's your options. Jokic would never,
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: ever win. ever in the history of ever, against any
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: opponent you could throw out the dream team at him
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: if you want to. No world exists in which he's
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: one of 13 from the floor. It just doesn't exist.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: We are not the same. Jokic, the only time Jokic
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: has one made shot in a game is in the
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: month of October or the month of November when he
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: decides he's not going to shoot and he only takes
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: three shots. That's the only time he has one made
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: shot in a game. You would never, Vic, hold him
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: to 0 of 12 from the floor to start a game,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: no matter who he's playing.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I agree. I agree, and that's why he remains the
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: best player in basketball. And even if he does miss shots,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: there are so many different ways he can beat you offensively.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: He'll generate shots. Hey, man, tomorrow night, you saw what
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: OKC is. They're still OKC. I think this might be
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: the most talented version of Oklahoma City. These guys are
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: hot to trot. They're mad after what happened last year.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Jalen Williams, the good one. Yeah. Missed most of last
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: season with that hamstring.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: He's out for vengeance. They're stacked. I know they lost
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: a couple players. Negligible. Doesn't bother them one bit. I
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: think they're just as deep as they've always been. And
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: the Nuggets will have a hell of an obstacle to
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: face Thursday night.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Because who did they lose? They lost Dort. And they lost,
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: who was the other big one?
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: The shooter. Yes.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, what's his name? I'm getting confused because I see
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Cason Wallace. And it was something like, I got him
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: and Cason Wallace confused all the time.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Cason Wallace is a better, by the way, what's that?
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Isaiah Joe. They lost Isaiah Joe. And they lost one
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: other shooter. By the way, Cason Wallace is a better
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: version of Lou Dort. A cleaner version of Lou Dort.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: He's not the cheap shot artist Lou Dort is. He's
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: just as good defensively and better offensively.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: There's an attitude with Dort, though, that I appreciate. Come on, man.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: You can't get beat by Lou Dort.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: You hate it when you play against him, but it's
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: something that, like, if he didn't play for a team
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: that I hated, then I could really appreciate it.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: He's a vicious competitor.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I kind of like that.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. I'm not saying I don't
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: like it. I'm just telling you I'm describing the player.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: And see, people, this is where OKC fans, they get
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: all offended when I describe the player. And I'll describe
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: them one by one. SGA is a brilliant offensive player.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: He's also a thespian. One of the greatest thespians the
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: game's ever produced.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: That's what he is. That's what he is. Am I lying?
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Am I making that up?
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Everybody outside of Oklahoma City and the Oklahoma area code agrees.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: And that's all it is. Thursday night, tomorrow night, we're
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: going to learn a lot. I mean, you cannot ask
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: for a tougher task for the Denver Nuggets. I believe
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: the Denver Nuggets have the most challenging opening game of
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: any team in the NBA. You're playing a team that
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: is mad, Oklahoma City, in their joint. They already have
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: a game under their belt. Huge advantage. They've already gone
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: full tilt on the road and won. You're going to
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: have just a venomous crowd and a Denver team that's
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: completely refashioned. And they don't know what they have off
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: the bench yet.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Well, I just hope that whatever is coming off the
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: bench for them, whether it's Diallo, whether it's Brazil, whether it's,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: you know, you pick Whitmore, whoever. Somebody. Just bring like that.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Be a bleep hole. Be a bleep hole.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: That's what I want.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: I want a bleep hole on this team. We haven't
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: had one in years.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: They need to have one of those guys.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: And I hope one of them fits that bill. And
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: I would look right at Alpha Diallo. You know, there's
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: a story that Paul Bissonnette.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: I don't think it can be a new guy.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, but hang on, Vic.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Hang on, hang on.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Paul Bissonnette told this story, and I forget who he
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: was playing for at the time, but he just got
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: signed to a team. He was on an entry-level contract.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: It was a preseason game. And the coach told him,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: go out there and fight somebody. Like, that's what he
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: was told on the bench. And Biz was like, okay.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: So he goes out and fights. Come on, man. And
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: the coach basically told him, your job is just to
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: be that guy. Go be that guy. And I think
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: it can be a new guy. It can be a
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: new dude on this roster that just says, you know what?
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: I'll be the guy that doesn't take it for everybody else.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: That's fine. It doesn't have to be Joker. It doesn't
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: have to be AG. It could be somebody new. That's
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: fine with me.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: I think what's frustrating, I think you can identify that
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: guy for most teams. Like for Oklahoma City, who's that guy?
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Right now, now that they've lost Lou Dort, who's that guy?
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: It's Jalen Williams, the other guy. Yeah, whatever they call him. Smiling,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: throwing his face in there. That's him.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, the not Jalen Williams.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Whichever one.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go not Jalen.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the not Jalen Williams guy. The less talented one.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: The bigger one. Correct.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: That's him. You can identify those guys. We'll see who
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: identifies as that guy with the Nuggets. But I totally
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: agree with you. And I'm asking all of our listeners.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Do they need that guy? And if so, who is
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: that guy? Who is that guy that's going to be hated,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: that's going to cause stuff to stir it up, that's
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: going to be, you know, chest out? Who is that guy?
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