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St. Louis Cardinals team preview with Katie Woo · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: If he goes out and he's playing well and the
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  Speaker 1: team is not playing well, well, there you have it,
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden that trade value is a lot
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  Speaker 1: higher than maybe it was. This offseason.
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  Speaker 2: We have Katie Wu with us. Always enjoy our conversations
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  Speaker 2: with Katie, but even more so now since she's officially
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  Speaker 2: part of the ft fam the host of Cardinal Territory
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  Speaker 2: along with Trevor Rosenthal, Katy, great to have you on
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  Speaker 2: and personally thank you for waiting a few extra minutes
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  Speaker 2: as we were hashing things out with Buck Show Walter
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  Speaker 2: and he actually took over at some time or a
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  Speaker 2: few various times throughout the interview where he was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know what actually forgets Scott, I have a question
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  Speaker 2: for you. I have a question for you. How you doing?
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  Speaker 1: I have great guys, and I was listening to book
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  Speaker 1: and I think there is you know, as far as
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  Speaker 1: most engaging interviews AJ and Buck, that's where it's at.
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  Speaker 1: AJ's nice of you to show up to one of
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  Speaker 1: my interviews though it's been a minute, so it's nice
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  Speaker 1: to see you.
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  Speaker 3: You know why I showed up, Katie, because this is
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  Speaker 3: what I figure. I figured with you running Cardinal territory
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  Speaker 3: now right that if they have Daniel descalso on the
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  Speaker 3: coaching staff, John Jay, they have they have mister Freeze
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  Speaker 3: in town, right, and all Ali Marmal's talking about how
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  Speaker 3: great they are. Listen, nobody of those three, including myself.
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  Speaker 3: So US four is a bigger cardinal legend than me.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know why our Olie Marmal has not
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  Speaker 3: brought me in as a coach or at least a
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  Speaker 3: special advisor to something.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I could be a special advisor to Katie Woo.
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  Speaker 4: We could talk cardinal baseball.
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  Speaker 1: We could do that. Spe go across the street and
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  Speaker 1: bang on Olie's office and be like, hey you yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I got it.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, bang on Moe's door and be like, hey listen,
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  Speaker 3: I got this. Guy'd be perfect for your front office.
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  Speaker 3: And then I want to know what most says. I
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  Speaker 3: want the answer he's gonna say, ask, I'm like me, Kelly,
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  Speaker 3: you'd be like nope, I like IIM and I got
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  Speaker 3: drunk once at the bar in Houston after they lost.
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  Speaker 4: We had a long chat him and ire buddies.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know you.
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  Speaker 4: Don't let don't let a j pander to you because
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  Speaker 4: he has never watched Cardinal Territory one time. No, I haven't.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie.
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  Speaker 1: I knew that. I knew that, and I'm glad that
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  Speaker 1: you were honest about it. But hey, for those better
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  Speaker 1: than a watch Cardinal Territory.
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  Speaker 4: I catch clips.
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  Speaker 2: Let's catch clips, and we ran a clip on yesterday's show,
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  Speaker 2: So there you go. But now aj you've earned yourself
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  Speaker 2: a guest appearance. Are gonna have to come on at
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  Speaker 2: some point with Katie and Trevor and give him the
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  Speaker 2: former Cardinal perspective. But let's hit storyline so we can
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  Speaker 2: talk to Katie about this current club. We've got four
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  Speaker 2: that we need to hit on our test are not awkwardness. Also,
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  Speaker 2: it's still a shocker to me that he didn't accept
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  Speaker 2: Houston And will he open up that list a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more during the trade deadline time period. If he's
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  Speaker 2: playing well, Mason win breakout season at shortstop? Will Winter
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  Speaker 2: work to take his bat to the next level? Did
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  Speaker 2: he improve things? We'll find out. Let the kids play
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  Speaker 2: Jordan Walker online one and pitching assets to deal well
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  Speaker 2: him Bloom and yes Moe, who's still running the club technically,
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  Speaker 2: but Bloom is waiting to take over in a year
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  Speaker 2: and he's part of the org. Now will they sell
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  Speaker 2: off pitchers like Sonny Gray and Ryan Helsley at the
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  Speaker 2: trade deadline if this team is not good? All right, Katie,
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  Speaker 2: let's start at the top here. The Saint Louis Cardinals
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  Speaker 2: did absolutely nothing during the off season. They tried really
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  Speaker 2: hard to do something and that was trade Nolan Arnatto.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't happen. So I want to project forward. How
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  Speaker 2: do you see this playing out? What are the scenarios
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  Speaker 2: if he plays well and if he does not play
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  Speaker 2: well in the first couple months of the season.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is so interesting to me because all off
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  Speaker 1: season long we talked about if Nolan Arnaudo would be
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  Speaker 1: traded or not, and it went back and forth for
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  Speaker 1: four months now. He's been at Cardinals camp for about
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  Speaker 1: a week now, and honestly, it's been pretty business as usual.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone expected otherwise. Nolan Arnado is a pro.
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  Speaker 1: He's been in the game for over a decade, and
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  Speaker 1: he's set up to reporters. He said it to his teammates,
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  Speaker 1: if I'm going to be in Saint Louis, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to give it all I got. Where the Cardinals go
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  Speaker 1: from here with Nolan is interesting because neither Arnato or
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  Speaker 1: John Mozelack has closed the door on a trade, but
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like anything is likely to happen anytime soon.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is because the whole
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  Speaker 1: reason a trade didn't take place in the first place
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  Speaker 1: is because of the stipulations from both sides just not
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  Speaker 1: really yielding a lot of results. We know that Nolan
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  Speaker 1: gave Mozaylock five teams that he would consider a trade to.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't seem like he's going to He said at
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  Speaker 1: least that he's not going to expand that list. Among
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  Speaker 1: those destinations the Red Sox, the Yankees, the Dodgers, the
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  Speaker 1: Padres didn't really seem to have a fit. So right
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  Speaker 1: now everyone is just kind of stuck. Now the Cardinals
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  Speaker 1: are moving forward with Nolan as their third basement until
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  Speaker 1: for their notice. But I think again, it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a topic that we revisit throughout the off season.
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  Speaker 1: And there's so many different tangibles here that can affect
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  Speaker 1: the outcome of the situation. Right you mentioned some of them.
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  Speaker 1: Nolan Arnaudo could go out and have a balance back here.
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  Speaker 1: There's been two seasons of offensive decline. He certainly isn't
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  Speaker 1: happy about it. If he goes out and he's playing
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  Speaker 1: well and the team is not playing well, well, there
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  Speaker 1: you have it, all of a sudden, that trade value
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  Speaker 1: is a lot higher than maybe it was this offseason. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if he goes out and the team is playing well
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  Speaker 1: and he's not playing well, then I think we're going
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  Speaker 1: to get to that awkwardness that maybe people alluded to
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  Speaker 1: before he reported to camp. The Cardinals don't feel they
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  Speaker 1: need to make any decisions right now. This is just
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  Speaker 1: something that they'll continue to revisit. Most said it. He said,
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  Speaker 1: this is not a situation where I'm going to be
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  Speaker 1: like pouring through the waiver wire or scouting, like looking
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  Speaker 1: for injuries to see if there might be something out there.
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  Speaker 1: If something is presented to us, we will explore it.
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  Speaker 1: But there is no reason for us to continuously pound
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  Speaker 1: down the door like he did for the last four months.
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  Speaker 1: So they don't really know what's going to happen with
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  Speaker 1: art Auto, and the good news I guess for everyone
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  Speaker 1: involved is they don't have to. The Cardinals can move
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  Speaker 1: forward business as usual. They'll again peruse the market every
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  Speaker 1: now and then, but for right now, they're committed to having,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so a goal ten time Gold Glove winner
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  Speaker 1: at third base. Guys, that's not a bad thing to
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  Speaker 1: have on your roster.
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  Speaker 4: Sounds like a good fallback plan now as part of
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  Speaker 4: the retooling, since we won't call it rebuilding. Nice nice
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  Speaker 4: problem that they have. They've solidified shortstop with Mason Win.
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  Speaker 4: They would love for his bat to take the adjustments
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  Speaker 4: from the winter and take them to new heights with
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  Speaker 4: his back. Is there something specific that Mason Win wants
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  Speaker 4: from that work that he's put in or is this
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  Speaker 4: all just a club thing? And Mason Win's like, you
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  Speaker 4: know what, I'm only twenty two, so I'll probably just
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  Speaker 4: improve even I did do anything this winter.
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  Speaker 1: I think Mason Wynn is about as hungry as it gets.
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  Speaker 1: He said during winter warm up, he wants twenty homers
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  Speaker 1: this season. And you look at his frame, you look
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  Speaker 1: at what he's known for, obviously the defensive ability at shortstop.
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  Speaker 1: Mason Winn doesn't have to be a power hitter by
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  Speaker 1: any means to be valuable to the Saint Louis Cardinals,
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  Speaker 1: but he certainly is not happy being a one or tool,
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  Speaker 1: a one or two type of tool, and that's what
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  Speaker 1: I think Cardinals fans can get excited about for Mason Winn. Look,
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  Speaker 1: we know it's a down year, very uneventful offseason, if
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  Speaker 1: you will. There's a lot of apathy around Baseball Heaven
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  Speaker 1: these days. But when you have a player like Mason Winn, who,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, solidified himself as someone that you can
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  Speaker 1: build your club around, and that's all what the Cardinals
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  Speaker 1: want to figure out. Who can they build around? And
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  Speaker 1: he comes to camp and he said, hey, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I had a really good rookie year, first full season,
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  Speaker 1: played almost every game at shortstop, was a nationally goal
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  Speaker 1: Glove finalist, But I want to slug more. Just knowing
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  Speaker 1: that his body type and knowing that he doesn't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: have to be a power hitter. Mason Win strikes me
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  Speaker 1: as a guy who is never satisfied, and he has
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  Speaker 1: a real legitimate opportunity to present himself as one of
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  Speaker 1: these key franchise players going forward. We know the Cardinals
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  Speaker 1: want to identify who in their current club can be
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  Speaker 1: part of that next core, that hopeful next championship winning corps,
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  Speaker 1: and Mason Win's mindset of trying to be the best
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  Speaker 1: player regardless of the great season he had last xt year,
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  Speaker 1: wanting to be better. I think that's all you need
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  Speaker 1: to know about him. I think this is someone that,
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  Speaker 1: again the Cardinals can build around. He certainly wants to
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  Speaker 1: be a five tool player. He has the defense, he
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  Speaker 1: has the arm, he has the speed. Now he wants
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  Speaker 1: the pop. Guys, I think you can.
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  Speaker 4: Do it well.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, speaking of guys that we're supposed to be there,
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  Speaker 3: Jordan Walker, is it time where they just say listen,
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  Speaker 3: Jordan Walker, you get six hundred a batch, you play
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  Speaker 3: wherever you gotta play, whether treyfield, leftfield, shortstop, first base, catcher,
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  Speaker 3: whatever it is.
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  Speaker 4: We just need to see if you can hit.
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  Speaker 3: And then some of the other young guys, Victor Scott,
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  Speaker 3: who's going to be the catcher? Are they going to
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  Speaker 3: let the kids finally play in Saint Louis and give
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  Speaker 3: him a real shot at solidifying themselves as the big leaguers.
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  Speaker 1: This, to me is the biggest question for the Cardinals
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  Speaker 1: this spring training. We spent all off season listening to
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  Speaker 1: their narrative of opportunity runway, let the kids play a
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  Speaker 1: transitioneer now here. The Cardinals are on February twentieth, so
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  Speaker 1: things can change, but this roster currently looks a lot
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  Speaker 1: like last year's roster of minus Paul Goldschmidt, and the
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  Speaker 1: big question for them is can they actually guarantee this
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  Speaker 1: runway that they spent the last four months touting to
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  Speaker 1: anyone that would listen, And I think they can to
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  Speaker 1: some degree. I don't think that Nolan Arnatto coming back
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  Speaker 1: and playing third base impacts the playing time they have
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  Speaker 1: for guys like Nolan Gorman, Jordan Walker, Lars Nubar. Of
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  Speaker 1: the entire group, Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman, I think
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  Speaker 1: are facing the most pressure internally to figure it out
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  Speaker 1: this year because they were both such highly touted prospects,
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  Speaker 1: and because their ceilings are both so high if they
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  Speaker 1: could just figure out how to hit consistently. So I
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  Speaker 1: do think the Cardinals are going to prioritize finding consistent
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  Speaker 1: playing time for those two alone. And it doesn't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: have to be Jordan Walker in right field and Nolan
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  Speaker 1: Gorman at second base. The advats are what matter here
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  Speaker 1: the most, and you know, the Cardinals have a semi
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  Speaker 1: flexible lineup in terms of roster flexibility positional flexibility, so
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  Speaker 1: there's a way to bounce guys around. But the two
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  Speaker 1: guys that I expect to be mainstays in this lineup.
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  Speaker 1: Really the bare minimum to ensure that this storyline, if
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  Speaker 1: you will, actually takes place, is that Jordan Walker and
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  Speaker 1: Ollan Gorman play every day.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, don't don't. Don't say flexibility. That's what got him
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  Speaker 4: into this situation. That's what God Jordan Walker using up
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  Speaker 4: his options. Don't say flexibility. People are listening. Moe is
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  Speaker 4: even listening too. So the question I have for you
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  Speaker 4: is kind of have a little bit of veteran pitching.
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  Speaker 4: They have valuable veteran pitching on a team that's going
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  Speaker 4: to reboot. Is him going to Heim Bloom going to
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  Speaker 4: be trading these guys at the during the season, at
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  Speaker 4: the trade deadline.
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  Speaker 1: Hem Bloom won't necessarily be making those decisions. John Mozelock will.
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  Speaker 1: So this is another part of the transition yere that
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  Speaker 1: I think is well. I do understand where the Cardinals
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  Speaker 1: are coming from and their overall plans. I can't really
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  Speaker 1: recall a time in Major League Baseball as of late
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  Speaker 1: where there was a president Baseball Operations and the next
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  Speaker 1: president of Baseball Operations kind of waiting in the wings
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  Speaker 1: and they're working in tandem. So what's key to remember
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  Speaker 1: about this twenty twenty five season is John Mozelock is
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  Speaker 1: still hauling the shots. They will be his decisions ultimately.
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  Speaker 1: Will he be discussing with Hein Bloom on things that
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  Speaker 1: will impact the team past twenty twenty five. Yes, he's
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  Speaker 1: been very in my opinion, transparent about that. How he
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  Speaker 1: will consult him's opinion in these decisions, because him is
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  Speaker 1: the one that's going to have to face the consequences
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  Speaker 1: or manage through the consequences if you will. But I
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  Speaker 1: think that's it's too premature to ask that question because, well,
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  Speaker 1: he's not going to go out right and say it.
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  Speaker 1: John Mozala doesn't want to go out like this. John
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  Speaker 1: Mozilla doesn't want to go out with a losing record.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't want to wave the white flag. And when
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  Speaker 1: you think about what he's accomplished in his career, I
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  Speaker 1: can understand that. I think if the Cardinals are hanging
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  Speaker 1: around come July, I don't think they're going to sell
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  Speaker 1: their assets. I think, you know, if they were really
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  Speaker 1: committing to a rebuild, and to their credit, they have
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  Speaker 1: never said that word, even though we all know to
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  Speaker 1: a degree what they are doing. They would have traded
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  Speaker 1: guys like Sonny Gray if you wanted to. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he's a no trade clause that does come into effect.
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  Speaker 1: But guys like Eric Betty, Steven Matt Ryan Helsley, they
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  Speaker 1: would have been gone in November because they were a
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  Speaker 1: lot factored into that. Because Mozilla believes that his team
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  Speaker 1: can still contend in the National League Central. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure if they're really going to depart any pitchers
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  Speaker 1: unless we get to July and they are just so
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  Speaker 1: clearly bonded out by then in that division. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think Most made it pretty clear he still wants
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  Speaker 1: to win in his final year.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, all right, let's ask you. I gotta ask you
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  Speaker 3: a non baseball question. We had Chan the Roman yesterday
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  Speaker 3: two days ago. He's a Palm Beach guy. Have you
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  Speaker 3: been to the Square Grouper in U Tiki yet?
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  Speaker 4: That's all I want to know. That's my question.
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  Speaker 1: I go out least three times. I was literally at
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  Speaker 1: Square Grouper yesterday and Utiki Onday with Chandler.
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  Speaker 3: So oh, there you go. See he's a member member.
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  Speaker 3: She's a member of Square Grouper.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if you can join that place.
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  Speaker 3: I mean listen between Waxin's Square, Grouper U Tiki right.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's like a little lap you can
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  Speaker 3: do around Roger Dean. It's pretty fun.
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  Speaker 1: There's Guanda Bonas out there. That's of a Rosenthal's favorite place.
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  Speaker 1: I was actually there yesterday as well. I'm kind of
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  Speaker 1: went on a little bit of a bar tour these
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  Speaker 1: early days.
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  Speaker 4: Aj.
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  Speaker 1: You know, before games, you can lead the complex by
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  Speaker 1: like three if you work really hard and all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden got a little bit of day drinking in you.
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  Speaker 4: Spring training is not allow what a humble brag by
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  Speaker 4: Katie Katie said, if you work really hard like me,
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  Speaker 4: Katie Woo, you can go out and you can just
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  Speaker 4: booze up.
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  Speaker 1: All of that was entirely sarcasm. Guys, that was entirely sarcasm.
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  Speaker 1: I looked at my one said I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: do this today, I'll do it tomorrow, and I left early.
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  Speaker 2: So here we are.
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  Speaker 4: I believe.
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  Speaker 2: The beauty of spring training. Yes, you can get out
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  Speaker 2: early on before the games, by three, but what time
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  Speaker 2: do you have to get there in the morning. That's true, you.
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  Speaker 3: Can play day drink, but that's why you gay drink
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  Speaker 3: so you can go to bed early and be up early.
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  Speaker 4: Right, that's the.
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  Speaker 1: You guys know this, like we spend six weeks acclimating
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  Speaker 1: ourselves to a schedule in spring training that we will
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  Speaker 1: quite literally never acclimate ourselves to again until this time
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  Speaker 1: next year. Why do we do this?
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  Speaker 2: It's so dumb.
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  Speaker 4: It's so dumb.
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  Speaker 2: Great job, guys. Your body clock is at five am.
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  Speaker 2: And here's a night game. Here's a night game. Here's
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  Speaker 2: a night game.
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  Speaker 4: It's so stupid.
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  Speaker 2: I'm with you. I'm with you. Well, Katie, great to
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  Speaker 2: see you. Appreciate the time, Enjoy the Jupiter tour, AJ
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  Speaker 2: misses it. And here's Cardinal Territory with Katie and Trevor
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie, appreciate you guys, love seeing you.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk soon.