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The Gangster Chronicles: Keeping Your Name Clean in the Internet Era · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: What's happening man, man ship, We're just chilling you know
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  Speaker 1: how it is?
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  Speaker 2: Man to the people. Man, we probably ain't talked about
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  Speaker 2: two months or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a few people was hitting me up like what's cracking? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: You know? People? Man, every one of these Thursdays speculations
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  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. If the woman was going on
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  Speaker 2: but were back in the house, you know, the podcast
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  Speaker 2: game is really changed the whole lot. I just thought
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  Speaker 2: that meig To Stall ensued this this podcast. Check what's
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  Speaker 2: her name? Some Grimes, Milano Grimes or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: But she won seventy five thousand dollars for defamation. I
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  Speaker 2: wonder if I could give me some.
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  Speaker 1: Money some defamation. You wanna get somebody, somebody talking shit,
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  Speaker 1: some niggas talking ship.
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  Speaker 2: Man, it's a whole bunch of people that always had
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  Speaker 2: my name and they and they dick suckers. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I always got my name and they mom some moum.
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  Speaker 2: I start following, I'm gonna start following lawsuits. You think
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  Speaker 2: that now if I started assuming people with that fall
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  Speaker 2: into the sneach category.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, under my definition of snitch, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: go a different route. But you know, this is a
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  Speaker 1: different day in time now, you know, Uh, this is
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  Speaker 1: the new era of you know, the culture keeping the
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  Speaker 1: culture and content creators and all of that. So all
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  Speaker 1: depends on what the definition of snitch may be. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that that you would be labeled as
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  Speaker 1: a snitch necessarily, because this has nothing to do with
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  Speaker 1: you know, uh, the hood or criminal cases or you know,
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  Speaker 1: loyalty to the hood or some ship that that white
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  Speaker 1: people ship. You feel me, I'm not gonna You're not
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  Speaker 1: gonna be able to say I'm a punk. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: assume you for saying I'm a punk because in real
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  Speaker 1: life I'm no punk.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, it's a different situation. Yeah, I think, man,
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  Speaker 2: that I actually like that though, Man, because for the
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  Speaker 2: longest people been out here man throwing real soul on
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  Speaker 2: people's names, man, and talking down on people's names and
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  Speaker 2: all that ship, all kinds of slanderous accusations and just
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  Speaker 2: just saying any damn thing. Man. Get to the point
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  Speaker 2: of where they just say anything, right, And I think
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  Speaker 2: if you start hitting people in their pocketbooks. Man, here's
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  Speaker 2: some of these brothers and they person, they gonna keep
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  Speaker 2: their mouth shit.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, I think. But that's how people do, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, uh, we as we as we as
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  Speaker 1: black people, you know, we deal with that ship on
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  Speaker 1: a different note. You know, we might deal with that differently.
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  Speaker 1: But today, you know, in the world of of of entertainment,
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  Speaker 1: let's just call it what it is. You know, whether
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  Speaker 1: you do music or movies or anything, in the light
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  Speaker 1: of being in public eye, you know, you consider the
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  Speaker 1: celebrity or whatever. So you know, people gotta watch what
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  Speaker 1: they say. You know, because this isn't the first time.
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  Speaker 1: You know, people been doing defamation lawsuits for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: You get me, people be feeling, you know, motherfuckers feel
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  Speaker 1: like they image and who they are as a person
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  Speaker 1: is everything. You get me, And whether you might you
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  Speaker 1: you know this shit ain't true or it's true. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, as yourself, and so I might can't stand
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  Speaker 1: for that.
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  Speaker 2: Might just think about the harm that the harm is
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  Speaker 2: somebody's reputation that costs. But the internet though, bro, you
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  Speaker 2: know somebody's kids may see this mess. Somebody's mamma might
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  Speaker 2: see it. Man?
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  Speaker 1: Is it?
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  Speaker 2: You know? Slamming somebody ain't cool? Though?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? And then I go look, then you gotta go
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  Speaker 1: my camera straight, Okay, then you gotta look at is is?
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  Speaker 1: How how? How far right? How far is it to
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  Speaker 1: be taken with somebody running their mouth?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Because you, like I said, you again, as a man,
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  Speaker 1: as a person, you feel very strongly about who you
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  Speaker 1: are and your image. So what does it? What level
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  Speaker 1: does it go to? Because I've been told plenty of
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  Speaker 1: times when niggas be running their mouths and talking shit
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  Speaker 1: and saying shit that ain't true. I've been told plenty
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  Speaker 1: of times to address it once and then don't worry
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  Speaker 1: about it no more.
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  Speaker 2: So how far.
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  Speaker 1: Do you let it go before you feel I gotta do,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta do some lawsuit type of shit?
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  Speaker 2: How far do that go? How far? You know what? Man?
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you like this, We've been doing this
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  Speaker 2: shit for a long time podcasting for damn that ten
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  Speaker 2: years now, and I used to always be at a mindset. Man,
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  Speaker 2: Oh it ain't nothing. Let that shit roll off your back.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want to pay no attention the fuck that
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  Speaker 2: you know that shit pissed you off sometimes. Man, You know,
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  Speaker 2: it depends on what somebody says, especially if somebody because
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  Speaker 2: the thing that gets me with all this shit is
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  Speaker 2: the lies, right, you know, it's the lies and just
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  Speaker 2: slamming the motherfucker's name, right. Motherfuckers refuse to tell the truth,
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  Speaker 2: and they do it just to get viewsed, right, so
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  Speaker 2: they slammed in your name they used, and you to
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  Speaker 2: kind of come up. So I do think people should
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  Speaker 2: be here liable. And since you can't take it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can't exactly just go what people's ass nowadays exactly.
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  Speaker 2: You can't go just beat up somebody though you can't.
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  Speaker 1: You can if a nigga want to give you that,
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  Speaker 1: you feel me if but but how many? But how
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  Speaker 1: many niggas? You know, you hear everybody yelling I take
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  Speaker 1: a fade or I catch a fade or fade, fade, fade,
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  Speaker 1: But you know, how, how seriously do a motherfucker feel
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  Speaker 1: like Okay, I'm finna get out here and fight a nigga.
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  Speaker 2: Ain't nobody running nobody's fade nowadays. Hey, you know, first
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  Speaker 2: of all, we grown ass men, not grown ass men.
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  Speaker 2: We consider elder statesman. You feel what I'm saying, what's
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  Speaker 2: that look like? Is a fifty five year old man
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  Speaker 2: out there going to go squabble somebody because he talking
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  Speaker 2: about me? Right? So first of all, I might go
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  Speaker 2: out there, man, and let's say I hit this dude,
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  Speaker 2: he fall and hit his head, now you know, and
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  Speaker 2: he loses life, un alive him. Now you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: a whole nother situation, right, So it's not even worth
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  Speaker 2: the risk to me. So I much rep to call
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  Speaker 2: my attorney, man, get the money together and follow lawsuit,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, might come up off of it. Man
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  Speaker 2: seventy five thousand and a bad little set my thoughts
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  Speaker 2: step seventy five thought wall, I ain't a bad little
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  Speaker 2: lick bro. You hit these foods in their pocketbooks and
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  Speaker 2: hit them, wear it hurt, man. You know, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's if a dude get a few dollars took from him. Man,
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  Speaker 2: that that that is in a lot of bullshit, real
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  Speaker 2: golfe That in the whole bunch of bullshit real real quick,
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  Speaker 2: think about it, bro. You don't have people say shit
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  Speaker 2: about you that wasn't true. And the thing about it, bro,
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  Speaker 2: is like this, when niggas kids get to see in
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  Speaker 2: the bullshit dog and people's wives and mamas and all
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  Speaker 2: that stuff, bro, and you know, some of your love
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  Speaker 2: once be having real concern some of these monkeys be
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  Speaker 2: out here talking. You know. That's what I said.
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  Speaker 1: You have to Uh, it all depends on how far
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  Speaker 1: it goes, you know, I'm gonna say still, especially you
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  Speaker 1: got you know, you got a wife, you got you
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  Speaker 1: got kids, you know, and and they're there, they're they're
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  Speaker 1: they're mature, they're older. Uh. And and even if you
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  Speaker 1: did have little kids in school, and like you said,
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  Speaker 1: there's all kind of people that you may know that's
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  Speaker 1: on the internet and social media. And so how far
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  Speaker 1: can you let a motherfucker disrespect you, to fame you whatever, whatever?
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  Speaker 1: How far do you feel freedom of speech goes? You
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  Speaker 1: get me, because broken, what what they're what they're trying
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  Speaker 1: to say? What are they trying to proclaim? Oh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just I'm just It's freedom of speech. I could say.
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  Speaker 1: I can say this and I can say that. You know,
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  Speaker 1: but the but the ship, but the ship you're saying
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  Speaker 1: is detrimental, you know what I'm saying to me, my family,
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  Speaker 1: my situation. So how does that how does that freedom
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  Speaker 1: of speech ship kick in?
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  Speaker 2: Now? To me, this is freedom of speech, right man,
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  Speaker 2: I can't stand Still's podcasts. That's a bullshit podcast. That's
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  Speaker 2: freedom of speech. That's his opinion, right right. Motherfuckers say, man,
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  Speaker 2: I don't like h music. I never had liked him
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  Speaker 2: as a rapper. He sucked to me. That's his opinion.
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  Speaker 2: That's his opinion. Right now, when they get the man,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I slapped this nigga in his face and
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  Speaker 2: he didn't do nothing, Or this dude stole money from me,
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  Speaker 2: he did this and that right now, that slander, that
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  Speaker 2: slander of my name. And I'm gonna tell you this,
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  Speaker 2: if it's true, and this is where the letter of
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  Speaker 2: law goes. If it's true, I can't do nothing about it.
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  Speaker 2: Right If somebody really did slap me in my face,
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  Speaker 2: not marked out, I can't say nothing about it. But
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  Speaker 2: if you're sitting up there telling the line, you're doing
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  Speaker 2: that to intentionally damage my that damage my reputation of
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  Speaker 2: my character. You're trying to turn me and make me
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  Speaker 2: look like a whole ass nigga. I can sue you
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  Speaker 2: for that, but.
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  Speaker 1: I guess it's all they need individual on how they feel.
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  Speaker 1: You get me. If a nigga said, yeah, nigga, I
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  Speaker 1: slapped that nigga eid out and now WoT do woo wood, won't.
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  Speaker 2: My people gonna know it's false?
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  Speaker 1: You get me, like you said, unless it's unless it's true,
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  Speaker 1: unless the nigga knocked me out, caught me slipping, knocked
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  Speaker 1: me out. Whatever it can happen, it can happen to anybody.
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  Speaker 1: But as far as like you said, to the fact
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  Speaker 1: that this nigga ain't never slapped me or punched me,
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  Speaker 1: or I've never even been in a situation where I've
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  Speaker 1: even been around a nigga to where he can put
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  Speaker 1: his hands on me, or we did get into a confrontation.
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  Speaker 2: So do I give a fuck that this nigga is
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  Speaker 2: saying some some bullshit? I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I guess it all depends on who you are to
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  Speaker 1: feel like, Oh, this nigga said he slapped the shit
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  Speaker 1: out you, and you're punk.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't like so that's it.
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  Speaker 1: If you sew a motherfucker, Uh, what are you proving
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  Speaker 1: that he didn't?
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  Speaker 2: But what if he keeps saying I did?
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  Speaker 1: What is the way you keep this motherfucker is gonna
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  Speaker 1: believe or not believe the motherfucker. You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: I guess you know what. And we was living at
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  Speaker 2: different times because back in the day, right like the
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  Speaker 2: nineties and early two thousands, they said that that was
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  Speaker 2: all a part of being in the game. Right, you're
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  Speaker 2: a public figure. You gotta get used to people talking
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  Speaker 2: shit about you, right, and people very seldom fouled lawsuits
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  Speaker 2: unless it was that National Inquiry type of shit. You
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  Speaker 2: know the way they you know, because you had people
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  Speaker 2: dog who almost lost their marriages because of lies. Right,
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  Speaker 2: you feel what I'm saying. Somebody come out on the
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  Speaker 2: national choir and say, oh, mcat is rumored to be
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  Speaker 2: dating such and such, and your girls see that at
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  Speaker 2: the grocery store, she get the thinking in their well,
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  Speaker 2: that might not be true. But then you know that
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  Speaker 2: that could bother somebody. I'm sure, I mean rumors in
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  Speaker 2: your window, could it bother?
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  Speaker 1: It would bother a lot of motherfuckers, even the people
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  Speaker 1: who like you said, even you yourself who know it's untrue,
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  Speaker 1: your wife, your kids, your closest friends, people that know you. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: we know that shit ain't true. But like you said,
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  Speaker 1: just because it's out in the public eye, that shit
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  Speaker 1: fucking with me.
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  Speaker 2: And this is La. Let's keep it real right this
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  Speaker 2: Los Angeles. Your reputation is everything out here, right, the
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  Speaker 2: means reputation is everything. And I think that's all global, right,
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  Speaker 2: but especially out here right. If you let somebody think
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  Speaker 2: that somebody is getting away with doing something to you,
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  Speaker 2: Mark and you are to treating you like a little hole,
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  Speaker 2: you gonna have to put on a demonstration eventually because
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  Speaker 2: somebody go try you. Yeah, this is a very predatory city,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. This is a very predator
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  Speaker 2: Like say, you know, this is a city man, where
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  Speaker 2: people pray on the week. Let's just keep it real, right,
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  Speaker 2: So if you perceive to be one of them weak people,
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  Speaker 2: you might have to you know, you might have to
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  Speaker 2: be you know, you might have to move a little something. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you might you might have to move a little something.
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  Speaker 2: You feel me. I just think we live in the
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  Speaker 2: era right now, man. But then again, this is probably
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  Speaker 2: the first time man in history. You know in the
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  Speaker 2: last like ten years, Man, that people can actually reach
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  Speaker 2: out and touch a celebrity or somebody that they made
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  Speaker 2: a person of note. Right, they can actually reach out
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  Speaker 2: to you. Where's back in the day, somebody saw you
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  Speaker 2: in Source magazine. They either went to your show or
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  Speaker 2: maybe at an inch store that was the extent of it.
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  Speaker 2: Or they may see you bailing through the mall and
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  Speaker 2: make come and say can I get an art? It
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't even take a picture back then. Can I get
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  Speaker 2: an autograph? Can you sign my T shirt? Or hold up?
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  Speaker 2: I got the take with me?
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  Speaker 1: Bro?
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  Speaker 2: Can you sign my take? You feel me? Yeah? You
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  Speaker 2: get stuff like that now, Bro the end, it's almost
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  Speaker 2: like the computer has killed the internet. Bro has killed celebrity,
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  Speaker 2: so to speak, because now you almost become a regular motherfucker.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad. I've already always considered myself a regular motherfucker.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I guess it's it's hard to
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  Speaker 1: put yourself in that position when people know you and
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  Speaker 1: you've been on TV and around the world and records
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  Speaker 1: and all that type of shit. But I try to
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  Speaker 1: consider myself a regular, normal motherfucker, and so I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I guess it all comes with the territory and how
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  Speaker 1: you establish yourself as a celebrity or entertainer or a
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  Speaker 1: person of you know, that's considered a value to yourself. Shit,
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  Speaker 1: you can you ain't got a d you know. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you could just be a regular motherfucker who can you know,
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  Speaker 1: I want the same motherfucking respect, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So it just it just.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, it all depends on how the walk
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  Speaker 1: of life in is. Uh. Motherfuckers just ain't gonna like you,
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  Speaker 1: hear it. Some people that's just it. You get me.
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  Speaker 2: It's just now. Not sorry to cut you off, because
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  Speaker 2: you've been around, You've had a long career, right, would
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  Speaker 2: you say it was a major difference back in the
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: nineties and the early two thousands, Man, the mid mid
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  Speaker 2: to late nineties when you started, Man, during your heyday,
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  Speaker 2: would you say it was a major difference from the
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  Speaker 2: way stuff feels then to now as far as fan interactions.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's different.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's it's real different.
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  Speaker 1: I mean shit, Uh gosh, back when I started, you
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  Speaker 1: had a lot of personal uh contact with fans up front.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you you you see them at the you
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  Speaker 1: you see them at the uh the autograph signings and
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  Speaker 1: the record stores and the end stores, and you see
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  Speaker 1: them when you go do promo tours, and you know
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  Speaker 1: or you know genuine you know, we didn't have computer interaction,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't have social media and all of that type
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  Speaker 1: of ship. So a lot of it was hand to
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  Speaker 1: hand you you know, Uh, today it's different as far
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  Speaker 1: as fans are concerned, the access of pushing the button
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  Speaker 1: and you know, a million billion people across the world
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  Speaker 1: can have access to you personally. And then a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people, you know, they like to put their lives
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  Speaker 1: all up on social media and you know personal and
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  Speaker 1: you know, show your kids and show where you live
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  Speaker 1: and do all of that, and so it takes it
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  Speaker 1: to a different level as far to me as far
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  Speaker 1: as fan interaction from back in the day as today.
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  Speaker 1: So you got to be very careful and yeah us. Thus,
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  Speaker 1: thus the good comes with the dad. You get me.
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  Speaker 1: Thus you're opening the door now because now you got
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  Speaker 1: the motherfuckers who don't like you, who have real access
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  Speaker 1: to you, You get me, and and their opinion as
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  Speaker 1: of a motherfucker who might get a hate mail letter
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  Speaker 1: or you might never you know, thirty years ago, when
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  Speaker 1: I was promo touring or whatever whatever, I might not
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  Speaker 1: never see a motherfucker who don't like my shit.
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  Speaker 2: You get me, yeah, because you're pretty much going places
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  Speaker 2: you know you're going to show. You going to in
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  Speaker 2: store signing. The majority of the people that come to
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  Speaker 2: places like that are fans exactly, so you know, oh yo,
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  Speaker 2: I don't you know shit.
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  Speaker 1: Now a nigga could be in tim Buck too, going
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  Speaker 1: fuck eight at the push of a button, as opposed
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  Speaker 1: to thirty years ago, I wouldn't have known the motherfucking
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  Speaker 1: Tim Buck too who didn't like my music or who
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  Speaker 1: just didn't like me for the person I am whatever.
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  Speaker 2: You know, well, you know what it was, Bruce. People
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  Speaker 2: are attention horse today, right, and people have always been
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: attention horse, But now a person would do anything for
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: attention man. A person would go online to eat his
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: booker's dog just to get some views so people could
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: pay attention to me, even if they're going that motherfucker
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: nasty look at them go.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: A lot of people want to be famous today, you know,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: by any means. You know, I don't know, Like I
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: don't know, I didn't grow up with that aspect. I
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: don't know how many true I don't know how many
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: true motherfuckers grow up. I ain't say now, but just
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: back then, you know, I mean motherfuckers, was like, oh,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I'm going to grow up and be famous as opposed
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: to shit. You just want to grow up and have
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: a regular good light, you get me.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we all had it goes. I'm pretty
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: sure at some point when you first start rapping. How
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: old was you when you first start wrapping? Fifteen? Yeah, fifteen,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure, you know, because it really wasn't no
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: industry so to speak, you know, not a huge one, right,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: But I'm pretty sure after a while you wanted to
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: get on. Not so much for the fame aspect of it,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: but I think we all want to go to the
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: top of the heights and the prospective fields. You feel
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: what I'm.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Saying exactly, you know.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you I know. When I was
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: on first start doing music and stuff, I never thought
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: about the money brought to No, it was no money
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: like that in it. I just wanted to be involved
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: in it because I thought it was really dope.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: When I first started with the music. Like I said,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I grew up probably like any other regular kid, you know,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: most kids I don't know how you grew up still,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: but you know, from the young ages of five to
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: maybe ten to twelve or some shit like that, maybe
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: ten eleven, what did you dream of becoming as an adult?
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: You knew what adulthood was, you knew motherfuckers whatever, whatever.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: What did you dream to be as a five year
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: old kid? Well, I aspired, man, that I had different
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: goals at one time. I'm gonna tell you eight. And
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: this is I guess this is a really like fact
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: that very few people know. I'm actually a really good artist.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I can really pain and draw very well, like very well.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I don't do it as much as I used to.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: But I got invited to attend the Cleveland School of Arts.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I always had a real talent for that, right, that
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: could have been like, you know, I had paintings and stuff.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I had paintings on display, you know, at prominent places, right,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: and my mother wanted me to really take that route, right.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: But then as I got older, I started playing football, right,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: and the football kind of took presidents over everything else
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: to wherever. It's like, man, I'm not going to no
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Cleveland School Arts. They don't even have a football team there.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: You feel me, football kind of became my thing. And
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, art was always a major passion
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: even now to this day. Man, I every once in
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: a while, man, I get to sketching some stuff out right,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: just messing around right right. But I don't know if
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I had You know what, man, I'm gonna tell you
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: that the one thing I did want to do. You
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: could think I'm crazy. I wanted to be a professional
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: wrestler at one time. Yeah, I just thought it was
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: really exciting. Man. I think I always wanted to live
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: like I always wanted to be something like a pro wrestler,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: maybe even a truck driver. I was always a dude
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: that wanted to work somewhere solitary. You feel what I'm saying.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I always pictured myself being a wrestler and going on
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: the road, bro, and just traveling all around the country.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: You feel what I mean. Growing up my matches and
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: getting known, I knew, I knew one thing I didn't
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: want to be. I didn't want to be no, I
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: guess you could say, a regular motherfucker. I don't know
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: if it was for the money. I just wanted to
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: be great at something, not so much for the money
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: of fame, but I just wanted to be great at
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: whatever it was I did.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Bro, Like I said, you know, growing up, you know, kids,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: it all depends on how you you know, the household
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: is how you feeling as a kid, you know, if
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: it's love in the house or whatever.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, I had dreams of being you know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: regular as a young kid, but then, like you said,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: you get to a certain age and you start going
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: or I want to be somebody.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: You get fuck just.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Being regular time or Harry or whatever. Nigga, I want
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: to be somebody because you start associating shit with the
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: fact that being somebody puts you in a position that's
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: probably better off than other motherfuckers, right, you get me. Yeah,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: because we knew motherfuckers who were somebody's, whether they was
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: in the streets or whether they was famous. Right, being
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: somebody meant you as a motherfucker, even if it was
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: a even if it was something that's basic as having
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: a decent home. It's like, you know, when you grew
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: up thinking that, you know.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, man, my parents work real hard
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: and not even just I ain't gonna see the parents
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: say we lived this weller, right, you know, we had
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: he we had electricity. You know, we ate and stuff
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: like that. But when you start seeing other stuff the
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: other side, and how the other side live. Man, they
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: ain't got no roaches or rats, and they created off
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: and these stuff is just nice. It's like, man, you
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: know what I want to live like this?
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Oh definitely, Like I said, you you start you start
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: understanding what upper exuline shit and what living better is.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: So you strive, you know, to to become that that motherfucker.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: And it don't matter. I don't know if whether you're
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: gonna get it out the streets or whether you gonna
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: go educated and come up with a billion dollar idea
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: of business, but you strive to be that motherfucker because
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: you already know maybe being normal just ain't finna be it.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: And like you said, uh yeah, we wasn't just dirt poor.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: You know, niggas had running water and electricity and the
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: stove and ass worked.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: You get me.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: But at times it was a struggle. And so you
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: always destined to be something greater. You feel me, I
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: think you always. I think every person has that desire.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: And if they say they don't, man, they line or
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: you know, I know everybody I know BRO desires to
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: have a better life, Bro than what they have. I
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: would say, right now, even now, the life I live, Bro,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: I've never found. Don't get me wrong, I'm very appreciative
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: man for the blessings man that have been bestowed upon us. Right.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: I don't think we have regular situations, right, We don't
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: have situations that the regular average person may not have. Right.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: But I do know that I work very hard for
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: the stuff. It's not easy. I've had very little time
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: to kick back. You know. You always joked that I
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: got a million jobs. That's literally true. I got a
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: bunch of different things that I do, And I think
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I've always been like that because my biggest is letting
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: my family down and not having nothing. You feel what
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, because I think I've always known that, Man,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: if you work hard, you may not necessarily get what
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: you want, but you would get far. You would get
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: very far if you work hard, if you really focus man,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: and say you know what, Man, I'm gonna do this,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: even if you got it. That's what I tell people.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Even if you got a regular job, you don't work
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: at that regular job every hour of the day. You
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: can say, okay, man, I'm working at my gig from
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: ten o'clock in the morning at seven o'clock at night.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: So between the hours of eight and twelve, I'm gonna
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: work on this, right, and on my days off, I'm
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: gonna work on it full time.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: And I guarantee you, man, if you really work your things,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: work your magic.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: And I think you have to be realistic, right, I
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: think everybody need to find something that they're good at
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: first and foremost.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Everybody can't be no rapper, everybody can't be no podcast necessarily, right.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: But I think if people focused on and keep it
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: real with theyself, says you know what, man, I am
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: pretty good at cutting grass one, pretty good at pain
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: ONEm pretty good at electricity and fixing stuff. I'm gonna
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: become a journey man. Man. I'm gonna tell you right now,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: the new millionaires in this country, bro, are the plumbers
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: and electricians. Oh yeah, are the plumbers and electricians. And
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: that may not be the sexiest thing in the world,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: but I swear before God, Hey, if I was a
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: young person right now and trying to figure it out,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: not how to know what I was gonna do, I
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: would go become a plumber, broad an electrician.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully. You know, there are some of those young
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: men and women out there who understand that you can
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: get you can achieve what you need to achieve without
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: having to be subject or misguided by you know, I
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: have to become I have to become someone famous to
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: be on that level.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Start to do.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: You can start a business, and your business could be
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: so successful that you still pushing in rose Royces and
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: taking trips and flying private planes and shit like that.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: It just it's just your determination of where you want
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: to be in life, you want to settle for, and
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: some people do. I'm cool with this. Our work construction.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: You know, I got a house, three four kids, wife,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: and we got to pick up truck and a motherfucking
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: in a Honda Cord and we good. All the kids
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: graduated high school, some of them, you know, go to college.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. I'm fine.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: And then some people want to just excel. So it's
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that, but I think people need to
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: get out of the aspect that I have to be
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: famous to be successful in life or just be you know,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: a good motherfucker. You know, there's a lot of these
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: successful motherfuckers is fucked up. Really, a lot of successful
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: motherfuckers out here that's just assholes and full of shit,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: and think because you know you got a little change,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: that you're supposed to be looked at differently than a motherfucker.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: That's why I say I've always tried to consider myself
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: a normal motherfucker, because I don't want a motherfucker to
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: consider me no conceited asshole motherfucker just because you got
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: a couple of records and you think, you know, you
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: walk on clouds and other niggas walk on regular pavement
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: and shit. Now man, fuck that shit.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, age I'm gonna tell you Like this, bro,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I'm just sitting there thinking as we talk, right, I
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: know some wealthy people. I know some very wealthy people
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, on the entertainment side, and
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: you know the regular world side, people who just have
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: very good businesses. Right right, I'm gonna tell you this.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: The wealthiest person I know is not an entertainment And
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: when I tell you this, it's wealth is so immense
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: that the one person not do knowing entertainment that's like
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: a top ringing executive. This guy has ten times the
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: money he has like this dude is a billionaire, you
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: see what I'm saying, And he's a guy that doesn't
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: have a high school education. He eventually got his ged.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: But he just did what I said and worked very hard.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: He started off in real estate, right, started off working
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: with somebody man, and just worked hard, bro in sacrifice
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: to the point he was sleeping in his car for
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: a little bit and going to goes Gym the shower.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: He sold goes Gym memberships on the side until his
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: career popped off, right, and he was able to take
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: showers in that right. Then eventually he was able to
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: go buy a love apartment. You telling me all the time.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: He was living off the Second Street, right, And that's
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: when Second Street, you know they got all them buildings now,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: they used to have a bunch of apartments above those
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: different stores. Right. He found a studio apartment, man, somebody
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: renting him for three hundred dollars a month, right, And
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: he said, man, that he was working so hard. He
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: looked up one day and realized, man, you know, he
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: had been living there for about three or four years
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: at the point, and he just happened he never read
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: his mail and looked at his bank statements. He was
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: just grinding, just focused on just grinding, right, going to
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: work and grind and working hard. Right. He hadn't even
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: realized he was a millionaire yet, Bro, he was working
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: that hard. He didn't realize. He said, you know what, man,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna actually go take me a little time off
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: and go get me a real place now, you know, right,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: And he just didn't look back.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I'm a firm believer in the grid. Man. I think
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: you just have to work, man, not thinking a lot
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: of people ate today. They got a mindset, man, that
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: something that's just supposed to happen for them, you know,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: where if they know somebody successful, they just supposed to
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: just get automatically. Get that. People don't think they have
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: to work hard, bro, And that's just not true. The
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: more the harder being a rapper, bro, especially being a
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: rapper that's a working rapper. That's not an easy life, bro.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: No, I mean it's it's a little It is hard,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: sometimes strenuous, you know what I'm saying. You always gotta
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: be able to you know, produce good shit, come up
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: with shit. You know. It's a constant grind to try
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: to maintain whatever level it is and if then if
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: you get to a level like you said, it's hard
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: to maintain that. You gotta sustain and keep grinding.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: You have to keep it, bro. The hardest thing is
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: keep Hey, I'm gonna tell you like this, I feel blessed.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I took some paper in my life. Bro, I'm talking
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: about some like not no mellions of dollars. Bound take
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: some nice money, right. The hardest thing, bro, is to
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: keep the money. It's easy going to go get it, bro,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: but it's hard to keep it. Bro. Like getting something,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: just keeping it and maintaining it. Bro, that's the hardest
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: thing because it requires it and im mense my model discipline. Bro.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: And even if you discipline and not buying bullshit, if
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: you look up, man, if you look up and just
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: get to doing regular stuff, right, you look up and
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: be like, man, damn all blue through this? You know
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: this nice bread? Bro.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Your money go fast if you don't know how to
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: manage it, and especially if you never had it before.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: It's hard to manage and maintain because you want everything.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: You want to be able to buy everything and instill
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: you know, but not not being financially sound could could
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: put you in a situation.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: You know, if I knew what out exact, If I
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: knew when I knew.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Thirty years ago, when getting money, you know, it would
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: have been totally different from for a young nigga nineteen
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: twenty getting checks. You know, here and there and here
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: come a check for this amount, Here come another check
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: for this amount, Here come another check for and you
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: know you do the you do the typical shit when
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: you are a young nigga who's never been taught how
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: to manage and finance money. You know, you want to
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: go out and buy cars, chains and rams, bakers and
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: music and clothes and shit. And when you should, when
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: you when you really should be thinking, hmm, they you
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: put some money up because thirty years from now, I
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: could buy this ship right now.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: And the exactly I'm thinking about that all the time.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, bro, have you ever just
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: sat up and thought about all the bist you don't
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: buy your life? Like I wonder where that ship is
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: even at I was thinking about that the other day.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I said, Bro, I think I got a couple of
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: cars out there. I don't even know where they had eight.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm shit. I done went through cars low riders
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I done went through jet skis and fold bikes and
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: all that type of shit, man, motherfucking speed boats and
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: all kinds of shit. Man, that if I had that
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: ship in my backyard today, I'd be like, what the
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: fuck you get?
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Look at all this ship back here. It's just shit.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: And I think to a certain extent, man, even as
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: grown men, we still like toys, so to speak. Right,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Because I'm gonna tell you now, and it's been taking
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: me a lot not to do it. I want one
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: of them. What's those three motives? They're not motorcycles? But
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: you said, I know what you're doing, mat.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: One of my people's got one of them. I love
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: them motherfucker's dog. Every once in a while I go
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: rent one right to ride around here, right, just with
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: a wiki end right, And I love them motherfucker's dog.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: And I be thinking sometimes, man, but them motherfucker's dog
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: costs just as much as a car.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Bro, you're gonna spend thirty forty thousand dollars on some
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: shit like that? Bro that you can't my thing be this?
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: If I can't put no groceries in that motherfucker ride.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: My family, right, I think it said I can't put
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: no groceries in there. Well, well, what I'm saying, I
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: forget what the name of the name of them things exactly.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: You know, they got the car clubs for them. Now
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: they be riding all around and the motherfucker y'all.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Motherfucker's dog because the ain't nothing like. I would never
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: be a dude riding a motorcycle. I think the motherfuckers
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: is dangerous. Shout out to the people are ride motorcycles.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: But that couldn't be me, bro, I just them motherfuckers.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I don't sinking too many accidents. They was just all bad.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not getting on the motorcycle. But dous you sit
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: in the seat, man? You kicking back?
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Right, niggas said he walked that three wheeler.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Me. I'm a well, I'm a more dirt bright bike
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: motocross type of dude. So bikes I had. I was
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: in the mountains and in the trails dirt bike and
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: jumping wheellies and shit like that. I've never been in
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: the street bike type of dude. I've never been a
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Harley type of dude. I jump on the motherfucking two
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: fifty or something like that and go in the motherfucking
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: dirt trail and ride around. That's what I was used
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: to because I was a BMX kid growing up.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The sleing shot, that's what they are, sling shots,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: And I've seen sleing shots. That was next level. I
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: saw some sleing shots, man, and looked like old school cars,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about. Oh, they fix them
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: up like a motherfucker. Look, they got the ones Man
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: and looked like almost like the soapbox Derby ones Man
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: with the little you know what I mean. And they
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: got some dope shit. Man. It's like Man and new motherfuckers.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Some of that shit is expensive, Bro.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: That shit costs money.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Sleing shots are expensive, Bro, they cost money. And
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: I've thought about that man buying stuff like that. But
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: it takes a certain amount of discipline because the one
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: thing I am conscious of, bro, is that we not
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: little keys no more. We come into a time eight
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: to where in about ten years, I mean you both,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be time to lay it down, bro, just
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: you know, like this is life. We just kicking the
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: kind of just waiting for you feel what I'm saying,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: waiting for eternity? You feel me? Yeah?
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: You know it gets to a point you gotta be
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: you know, not settled, but you have to you know,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: get your priorities together and uh, you know know that
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: you know you ain't gonna live forever, you know, you
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: start you start getting that knowledge when you start hitting
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: up there and you know so, but we're still working
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: and we still got Ship to do and ideas and
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: projects to put out, you know, ship. Like I'm working
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: on the project right now. It might be my last record,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: but I've just and it wasn't because I needed to
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: do a record, you know, financially or whatever.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: I had love for music before before I even made
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: a dollar, you get me.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I put out albums you know, and and was grinding
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: around the country and touring and doing Ship and was
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: making a dollar and just enjoyed the fact that I
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: was able to I was able to survive and then
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: do something I love because it was just that's just
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: what it was.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Music was it shit.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: So But like I said, you get mature and you
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: start seeing the value and ship and start understanding that,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: you know, you want to be in a different place
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: in your older years when you ain't podcasting anymore, going
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: on tour or whatever. You want to be able to
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: sit comfortably and secure so you know, niggas work hard
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: in they old age.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: So and you know the thing is, man, this is
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: what I tell everybody that nothing less liver, right, I
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: tell those young people because I hear young people sometimes, Man,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: these stupid man you will give all this up. And
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: I tell people all the time, even with the podcast
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: and stuff, I say, yeah, but I am starting to
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: see the ending of certain things because when the ending
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: comes a new beginning, right, right, I don't know if
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I necessarily want to do gangst chronicles for another five years.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: It takes a lot to be and the more busier
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: you get, This is what I tell people. And this
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: happens at RAP groups too. As you get older, bro,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: life starts getting the way, even of certain things that
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: may be bringing you money. M h. Stuff has a
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: way of demanding attention.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: You know, you start making a certain amount of money
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: doing other stuff, right, you start thinking like, man, you
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: know what, do I really even have time to continue
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: doing this at you know, at the rate that I'm
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: doing it, right, But then you got to snap out
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: of it. But they say, yeah, i'ma have to just
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: start managing my time better.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. I mean, it's it's only so many
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: hours in the day. But you know, niggas know they
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: gotta get shipped done and you gotta get shit accountlished.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: So that's that's just that, that's just that period. You
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: just got to learn how to manage time better. You know,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: we have to learn how to do that, especially if
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: we want to be involved in multiple projects and multiple things,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: because you know, it's people who rely and depend on
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: ship to get done. And unfortunately, you know, that's just
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: what happens when you in the world of business and
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: work in multiple jobs and positions. You got a lot
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: of shit to tend to. Niggas got a lot into
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: so and the and the fucked up ship about it is,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: if you don't tend to it, then it ain't gonna
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: get done. It's gonna get stalled. In that way, we
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: get me and with other motherfuckers, you get me.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: And if you're a wrapper a podcast, especially if it
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: on reach a certain level, you may be contractually obligated
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: to get that done right, and you get that. You know,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: I don't care whether you are a rapper, man. Nothing
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: is ever as easy as it seems, man, And I
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: think being an entertainer is just a hard thing altogether, man, Like,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you, bro, Being an actor is fun,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: but being on those sets of long days, mm, it's
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: long days, brother, doing the same shit over and over
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: and over again.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I definitely know that it could be stressful doing movies
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: and yeah again again again, cut again again again. Now
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get them from this angle. Now we want
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: to get it from this side. Now we just did
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: the same shit about fifteen times, but three different ways.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: You feel me? So, yeah, you have to be ready
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: for You have to be ready for the life you choose.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: You get me not for That's just what it is.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: We have to accept the life we chose. And this
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: is what comes with the territory. People are me all
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: the time when motherfuckers come up and be like, do
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: you get tired when people recognize you or they ask
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: you to take pictures or they WOOTI whoop, And I'll
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: be like, nah, it don't.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: It comes with the territory.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, what did I expect, you know, putting out
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: records and videos and movies and video games and all that.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Did you expect like you wasn't gonna get noticed, you know?
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: And then you don't want to treat people like like
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: you're Like I said, any different, I won't be normal.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: So if motherfucker come up to me and be like, man,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: can I and it don't matter. I could be in
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: the grocery storeline nigga. I could be at the at
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: the gym on a machine. I could be in the
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: motherfucking airport going through security. They don't give a fuck.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Let's be real, people do not give a.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: You would think that.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: A motherfucker be like, Oh, this motherfucker sitting down with
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: his people getting ready to eat.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: I ain't gonna go ask him for no picture. Nope.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: You you would think a motherfucker on the machine at
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: the gym, working sweating, getting his ship on, got his
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: headphones on, ain't paying attention to no. But you would
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: think a motherfucker be like, oh, I ain't gonna bother
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: a motherfucker, but what And then you don't want them
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: to feel like, oh what you think you better than me?
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: You can't take a picture or you can't woot it.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: You don't want them to have that feeling. So I
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: just say, no, no problem, you mind, because at first
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: they'll recognize you on that tip and then they'll double back.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: They don't do it all in one swoop. They just
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: they'll do the double they'll do the double back. So, motherfucker, oh,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: ain't you. Ain't And I try to cut them off
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: before they even could finish the sentence ain't you. And
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I'll be like, yeah, that's me, and then like, yeah,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: I thought that was you. I was over here working
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: out now, you know, so it was a good looking man.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: I listened and I'd be like, I appreciate you.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: And they know. People as cool about it, bro. Some
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: people are really cool. Like if I'm at the gym, bro,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: that's the main place, right. Sometimes they'll wait till I'm finished, right,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: and they're like, man, you such sex. I really mess
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: with the show I enjoy and we give dad and
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: stuff and they go about that way and that's cool, bro,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Like it's cool doing all that. Man, I'm gonna tell
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: you what. I don't like the ones that don't have
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: common sense and they want to sit there like they
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: may see you about they may see you sitting down
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: with your family about to eat, but they want to
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: hold a whole conversation about some shit you might have
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: seen it. And it's usually I don't mind them wanting
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: to talk bro. But it depending on what they want
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: to talk about. If it's some bro, it's like, come on, man,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: you really want to sit up here and talk about
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: that right now. And the one thing I really laugh at,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you what I think is the funniest thing.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I get it at least twice a week. Man, we're
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: mcaight at. It's like, Man mc eight is at this house.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: We not together all the time.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, people always people figures that you know, they do
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: that you you will still do the podcast? What's so
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: was still I'll be like, I have no idea. I
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: ain't talk to the Digger this week. You know, they
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: feel like and what they.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Don't know is when you're doing a podcast, man, you
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: really want to interact. You really want to because we mean,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: you got other shit we do together, but you really
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: want to kind of like space them interactions out of
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: a little bit so when you do get together, you
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: have something to talk about exactly, just something to talk about, man.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: You know, speaking of talking man, my boys Glass has
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: been going through it this week.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: I told him, I said, Man, stay out the family.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Stay out the family things.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Let them resolve. They let them resolve their stuff man,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: because they can get being another pitfall the podcasting bro.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: You can get caught up so easy man. Justin It's
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: like it's like some people understand. And I'm not going
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: to speak on family business, right. I can speak on
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: the avenue of being a nigga who's been in the
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: entertainment record business for thirty plus years, right, mm hmm.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I can speak on the aspect of when it comes
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: to writing songs, producing songs, how contracts work, right exactly.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I can't speak on personal business, but I know when
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I do a record with a motherfucker, right, mm hmm,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: you gotta know who you're dealing with from from from
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: the jump.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: This is just in general. Spice one could call me
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: and say eight get on a record. Spice is someone
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: I've been knowing for what over twenty five years?
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: M hm? Probably more.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Me and Slip produced records for Spice when he was
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: on Give Records.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. We did.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: We produced, We produced the one eighty seven record, eight
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: to the motherfucking k Whatever. The Murder Show. Yeah, Me
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: and Slip produced the Murder Show. We had a we
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: had a production team called half Ounce Productions. So I
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: would come up with basslines and Slip would come up
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: with drum tracks and so that's why. That's how we
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: was Half House Productions. So we produced the Murder Show.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: It was through Jive, right. I paid us some upfront money.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I rapped on the song too.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: So.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I got a contract, says Aaron Tyler, blah blah blah.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Half Ounce Productions produced Murder Show, wrote my portion of
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Murder Show.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Mhm.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Have I ever seen a royalty check from John for
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Murder Show?
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: I would probably say not. I would probably probably say
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: no because.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: With then you gotta understand as an artist who rapped
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: on the Murder Show, I was signed to Sony Records, right,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: mm hmmm, so h being signed to them, whatever, flip
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: flop whatever. If I got a royalty check today for
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: the Murder Show, it probably would be for about a
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: dollar in something.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Let's just keep it real, right, m h I've done
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: songs with niggas right to where niggas say eight, can
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: you come do a verse? I go to the studio, nigga,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: nigga slide me what he gonna slide me?
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Some niggas do paperwork. Some niggas you do
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: it on a handshake deal, right exactly. M If I've
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: signed a contract with a nigga, it's gonna stipulate, right,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: matipulate what I'm gonna get. If we're doing paperwork like that.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: It could be anybody. This could be anybody from Spice
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: one to Snoop Dogg to the local hood niggas around
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: the block who got their own little label or whatever.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Right mh. I'm gonna sign the contract and I'm on
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: that aspect.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: It's gonna say I wrote my verse. It's gonna say
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: I produced this beat, right, I on my paperwork now,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: depending on who it is, right still, am I am?
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: I expecting a royalty check where the thing is?
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: And this is what I don't think people don't understand
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: right now, this is the thing. Right, you got some
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: up front, You got an advanced on, you got an
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: advanced on the production and whatever you did in the
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: rep part, whatever you got right, you got an advanced. Right.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Not only are you getting advanced, Spice is getting in
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: advanced as well for his whole project, for his old
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Time project. I don't know what.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know what they gave. Yeah, he's doing the album.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: So you're how they bring you in still to do
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: a beat for Spice one Jive Records. Okay, still, who
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: want you to do a beat for Spice?
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: And also we heard you rap.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: A little bit.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Now we want you to bus on it. So not
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: only do we want you to produce it.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: We want you to bust on it too. So you're
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: gonna wrote a.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Contract with Jive, right, Jive is gonna hand you a
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: contract saying Norm Steel produced blah blah blah and him
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: he also co wrote because you wrote what it's it's
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: fucking three verses on the song? You wrote your verse. Well,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: you're entitled to at least ten percent of the writers, right,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: it's fifty if it's fifty for the beat, fifty for
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: the writers. You getting fifty because you did the beat right,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: and then you wrote a verse. There's three verses on
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: the song. So how did that fifty percent of writers?
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: What do you think you should get.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: The right?
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: He got two verses on there, and you got one.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: He got two verses on there. Really, you got the production?
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: You already got your don't even speak on production because
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: you already claiming you're fifty for production.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: This is why if he's getting this, he's getting this thing, man,
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: I would say, probably not even.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Ten, Okay, And that's generous because I give a nigga
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: ten because he at least wrote it for it's fifty.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Fuck it, I'll take forty and you take ten.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying. But the list of this
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: dulle Aden, any Maynicks you get after that, bro, Any Maynicks,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: you get after that.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: He has the first recoup his budget for any money
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: to get paid out on anything you feel. Still, I'm
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: not even thinking I'm ever fit to see a waal
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: t check. I noticed.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: I've been in this shit.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: I've been in this shit for thirty fucking years, nigga,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: I ain't never I ain't never seen a motherfucking royalty
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: check for we come strapped for fucking death threats for
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: fucking I seen. I've seen big motherfucking advances you get me.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: I was getting big motherfucking advances.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: But royalty check it is a thing that just doesn't happen.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: I'm saying it just doesn't.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Happen because I'm I'm I'm but but just like any
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: other nigga, after forty years, Sony hit me up and said, hey,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: we've been looking for you. You get me. So that's
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: probably to avoid some bullshit. They could have not been
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: recouped at the time and then thirty years later with
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: streaming and all of that. But yeah, I got I
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: have paperwork, you get me. I could go to Sony.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: I can go to Sony right now and go motherfucker.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: I put out week Come Strapped thirty years ago. My
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: name is on every motherfucking Look at the motherfucking credits.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: First song written, a Tyler, second song, a Tyler, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seven, eight,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: every song I wrote. So I can go to Sony
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: right now, go ahead. I never received a royalty check,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: and like you said, they gonna claim they never recouped.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: That's the job, right, never recouped because with the record
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: sold over a million copies.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: So how I've never I'll be honest with you, bro, Now,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: this is what I do know. If you missed around
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: and have what they not like us or in the
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: club or something that's just one of the big US
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Guyanet records, you're probably gonna see some money, bro, But
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: that's usually gonna come in the form of somebody actually
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: coming to probably give you a publishing deal. For your
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: piece of that record exactly.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: It's the same with me. Was I getting money from Sony? No,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: I got money from publishing deals. That's why I can't
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: because I was writing all my songs so I could
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: go get a publishing deal because I could go, yeah,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: that's next record. I definded put out. I wrote ten songs,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: and that's usually what they would do. You'd get a
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: publishing deal for ten songs and oh well shit, I
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: just finished the record, so hand it over.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: That's why I think the thing with the record business man,
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: you want to get paid as much as you can
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: up front because you ain't gonna see nothing else. It's
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's hard.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: And and like I said, I'm not getting into nobody
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: business because both niggas is my niggas and as they
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: crossed the beer, thiggas my niggas. So I'm I'm a
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: real back in the day nigga. I don't you don't
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: fuck around with certain niggas. Shit, you don't fuck around
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: with it, and you get me, I don't touch that.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: That's my nigga. That's my nigga. So I have no opinion.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: I'm just a nigga who knows. I've been in the
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: entertainment business for thirty thirty five years. It's hard to
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: get a record, it's hard to get a royalty check.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: You get not just saying that shit is.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Not entitled or whatever whatever, But I'm just speaking on
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: the fact of when it comes to a major label.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, it ain't nothing, you know, we can talk about
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: that whatever.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: I was signed to one of the biggest motherfuckers around here,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: sony epic royalty check or for you hearing crickets and
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: ship on the ground and then and then again on
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: that as on a different aspect, if I if if if, if,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: if I went that's just like right now right mm hmm,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: it's it's it all depends on how you get me.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: And I was a young nigga too. Still, I ain't
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: no ship about, no contracts in paperwork. I didn't know ship.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: You know. It took for some ship for to happen
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: to me to where I was discovering, you know, a
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: nigga was getting more niggas getting money. But like you can,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: you can put me in a similar situation, right mm hmm.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: I've wrote every song I've ever rapped. I've never had
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: a ghost rider from the time I started putting out
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: records nigga. My first two records of niggas took my publishing.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Have I and and and And.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: It could be a dumb move, not too right, mm hmm,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: because I could easily go back right now, go motherfucker,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: where my money? Right m h We've had these discussions
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: plenty of times, right, I could easily go after a
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: nigga right now, go where my money? My first two albums, nigga,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't get a dime, right, I didn't get a dime.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: And this ain't this. This is nigga.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Every nigga I'm talking about, it's it's recorded, copy written.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Look at the motherfucking shit, right, all songs and two albums,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: every song written by Aaron Tyler, right, m I didn't
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: get a dollar. I didn't get a royalty check or
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: publish it. And I wrote every motherfucking song. I can't
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: hit a motherfucker right now today and go nigga that
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: there's fucking proof.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: It's right there.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: And you can't produce no motherfucking contract with my signature
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: on it saying that you were allowed to keep every
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: royalty in publishing. There is none, so you'd be fucked me.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: And Chill was just talking about this ship today when
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: he called from you know, from the spot, he like,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: hate you could go after yeah, but I'm like, man,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: it is what it is, manet after thirty forty years go, nigga,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't receive and nigga, you didn't write my verses.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: So all that shit where I didn't get my publishing
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: and I didn't get no nigg all that and just
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: think about it today. The motherfuckers, every motherfucking check that
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: a set exchanged or be and my or whoever is
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: sending sending to his ass when it should be coming
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: to me because from day one, you know you you
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: didn't write that.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: You don't right, and he's giving me.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: But that error feels and we've had this discussion with
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: some people that's close to a nigga. Whatever that era feels,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: it's justified because of who I am today. It would
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: never be who I am today if that didn't happen.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: So take it and walk. That's the attitude that's produced,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: not like, oh, nigga just stole your livelihood. That's money
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: that could be going to your grandkids, your great grandkids.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: Why should he get to keep it because post.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: The nigga that walked you through the door and you
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: were able to become MC eight because I said, come on, dude,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: saw that note, so I should be entitled to keep that.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: And on that note, man, the game is funked up
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: and it is what it is. What it is. You
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: know what we should do. We should have a whole show,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: man about how the music business work. And I think
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: if people heard the truth, they wouldn't want to be
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: involved in that shit. But we gonna cake sh'aw next week.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: I got a game, go watch, Okay for sure? Stay
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: up well. That concludes another episode of the Gainst the
• 1:03:33
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