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3 Guys Before The Game - Low Point in Lubbock, Bahamas Breakout (Episode 596) · 3 Guys Before The Game

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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're back. Had no idea that they had run
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  Speaker 1: it out the studio last week the middle of the
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  Speaker 1: week for a bazaar at a flea market in here.
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  Speaker 1: We were unable to get back into the studios. Apologize
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  Speaker 1: about that. You guys had nice tens. I just didn't
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  Speaker 1: work out. It did not work out to do two
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  Speaker 1: shows last week. So we're back here and we have
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  Speaker 1: much to chat about. This is Three Guys Before the Game,
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  Speaker 1: episode number five hundred and ninety six, titled low Point
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  Speaker 1: in Lubbock, Breakout in the Bahamas, or if you're from
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  Speaker 1: the northeast brad you probably say breakout in the Bahamassa
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  Speaker 1: in the Bahamas.
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  Speaker 2: We did get an Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 1: We got an Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 2: Did you got an Oklahoma?
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  Speaker 1: Guy from Providence say, you guys playing Oklahoma? No or not?
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  Speaker 3: You had some Mountain new fans with you down there? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we intention yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So good good events. Those are really good events for
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  Speaker 1: just fun. When you go and your team wins, and
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  Speaker 1: then when your team wins when they're not supposed to
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  Speaker 1: win makes it even better. I know we're going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about that.
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  Speaker 3: That was one of the most amazing stretches of WVU
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  Speaker 3: basketball in the modern era.
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  Speaker 1: How about that?
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  Speaker 2: Let's gaze.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he was.
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  Speaker 3: You could make a case when you consider three three
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  Speaker 3: games in three days, three overtimes, three quality opponents.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that was yeah, it was, it was wild.
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  Speaker 2: It was a wow three days.
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  Speaker 1: You know what you call that? What the Big twelve Tournament,
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  Speaker 1: That's basically what that is. All right, let's do this thing.
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  Speaker 1: on stats coming up. All right, courts in session, let's
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  Speaker 1: do this thing. As hop said, we had basketball, we
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  Speaker 1: have football to bust into. And I think we'll just
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  Speaker 1: cut them in half and we'll jump right into the
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  Speaker 1: football situation. As West Virginia falls in Lubbock regular season
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  Speaker 1: finale by a score of fifty two to fifteen, which
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  Speaker 1: means that West Virginia ends the regular season six and six.
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  Speaker 1: And it was a game in which the Mountaineers were
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  Speaker 1: just totally outplayed. It was six to three after the
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  Speaker 1: end of the first quarter of play, the team's exchanging
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  Speaker 1: field goals, and then everything exploded and the game was
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  Speaker 1: decided in the second quarter and Texas Tech scored twenty
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  Speaker 1: nine unanswered points. They go into the locker room. It's
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  Speaker 1: thirty five to three second half touchdown Texas Tech. West
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  Speaker 1: Virginia gets six, so it's seven to six scoring the
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  Speaker 1: third quarter. Fourth quarter, Tech adds on ten more. West
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  Speaker 1: Virginia gets a six, so seventeen to twelve. Tech out
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  Speaker 1: scores the Mountaineers in the second half, but the damage
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  Speaker 1: was done going into the locker room thirty five to
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  Speaker 1: three at halftime. It ends up fifty two to fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: So with that being said, a lot of discussions now
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  Speaker 1: are taking place among the highest levels of the university
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  Speaker 1: to determine what the future of WVU football is going
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  Speaker 1: to be.
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  Speaker 3: Let's start with obvious observations, not sponsored yet, but maybe
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  Speaker 3: one day effort efforting one is just just a wildly
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  Speaker 3: disappointing performance by the Mountaineers in the regular season finale,
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  Speaker 3: just one of the poorest performances in the Neil Brown era.
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  Speaker 3: You might have to go back to that Iowa State
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  Speaker 3: game in twenty twenty. Remember that that was like a
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  Speaker 3: forty five to three job at some point, right, I think,
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  Speaker 3: so just Bill Stewart, find what it is to be
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  Speaker 3: a mountaineer. You you know, you jut your jaw, you
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  Speaker 3: bow your back, and you just didn't see that And
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  Speaker 3: that was really an incredibly underwhelming performance first of all,
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  Speaker 3: and I know Brad will have a couple of stats.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not even sure you want to go over the
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  Speaker 3: stats because they are so bad in this game, right, I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't I don't know that.
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  Speaker 2: I'll I'll give you like two There's really not a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Of the highlight was Hayes hitting a fifty two yarder
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  Speaker 3: that was against the wind. That was That was the
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  Speaker 3: highlight of the day. Frankly, so, just an awful, awful
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  Speaker 3: performance and a terrible.
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  Speaker 1: Way to end the season.
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  Speaker 3: So what now, I mean, the question now is not
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  Speaker 3: so much about the game or the stats.
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  Speaker 1: It's about what is.
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  Speaker 3: Going to be the story going forward with Neil Brown
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  Speaker 3: and the coaching staff. And we said, I think it
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  Speaker 3: was pretty well understood going into this game that of
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  Speaker 3: West Virginia won the game. Neil Brown's probably fine if
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  Speaker 3: you lose, but you're competitive and it's a close game,
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  Speaker 3: like okay, we can probably make an argument, but if
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  Speaker 3: you get blown out, then there's going to be a
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  Speaker 3: lot of pressure on this administration.
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  Speaker 1: To make a move.
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  Speaker 3: And that's where you are because of the way that
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  Speaker 3: game went that Ren Baker and Gordon Gee want to
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  Speaker 3: keep Neil Brown but the pressure grows when you have
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  Speaker 3: the kind of performance that you did in that game.
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  Speaker 3: So there will be meetings. As you said, Tony, I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure that Ren Baker and Gordon Gee will meet, maybe
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  Speaker 3: as soon as today to talk about what to do
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  Speaker 3: going forward. And there's really three options. You can fire
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  Speaker 3: Neil Brown, which creates a whole other set of circumstances.
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  Speaker 3: Neil Brown could resign, do like a Gusmuson and say
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna move on, and it will arrange
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  Speaker 3: some sort of payment, so you could have a parting
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  Speaker 3: of the ways. Or Ren Baker could come out and
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  Speaker 3: say we're going to keep Neil Brown, but we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: make some changes and here are the expectations for next year,
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  Speaker 3: and you're on thin ice and all those kinds of things.
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  Speaker 3: So there's there's three options. It is hard to imagine.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm a Neil Brown fan. I think I think
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  Speaker 3: he's a very good play caller and a good coach,
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  Speaker 3: wonderful character, but you gotta win games. You gotta win games,
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  Speaker 3: and over the course of his six years, you really
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  Speaker 3: haven't had the kind of wins to even to reach
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  Speaker 3: what are reasonable expectations. So it's going to be real
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  Speaker 3: difficult going forward to imagine him continuing as the head coach, frankly,
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  Speaker 3: and that makes me sad.
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  Speaker 1: But it's a tough business.
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  Speaker 3: If they are going to move on, then you got
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  Speaker 3: to you got to figure out Okay, it's about ten
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  Speaker 3: twelve million dollars accounting assistance, but they can pay it
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  Speaker 3: out over to Neil Brown.
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  Speaker 1: Over three years. You got, you got early signing in
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  Speaker 1: a couple of days. You got to deal with that.
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  Speaker 3: You got a Bowl game which nobody will be interested in. Wow,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of stuff, a lot of stuff fair.
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  Speaker 1: Now, it's it's totally fair. It's a massive it's a
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  Speaker 1: massive undertaking. It's a massive decision that you have to
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  Speaker 1: make because it impacts so many different folks. And I
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  Speaker 1: think the question that Ren Baker the administration has to
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  Speaker 1: make is this is the question is this is this
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  Speaker 1: as good as it's going to get? That's your question.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously what it is right now, like in the
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  Speaker 1: middle at six and six and looking forward toward next year,
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  Speaker 1: the question is what is this going to become on
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  Speaker 1: a regular basis? What is the realistic expectation? And I
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  Speaker 1: think those are the questions that you have to ask,
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  Speaker 1: and ultimately, you know, the only thing that matters is wins, right,
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  Speaker 1: the only thing that matters. Unfortunately for all the other
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  Speaker 1: stuff that we say is important, and those things are important, right,
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  Speaker 1: but ultimately it comes down to the w Tony.
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  Speaker 3: Not only that, but how the season went. Okay, you
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  Speaker 3: could if you were if you the way the season went,
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  Speaker 3: just it seems like all year you were saying, wow,
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  Speaker 3: this is this is this is really disappointing.
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  Speaker 1: Penn State.
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  Speaker 3: You got whacked. Shouldn't be playing Penn State, but you did.
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  Speaker 3: That started things off on the wrong foot. The pit game.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody still has a sore keaster because of the pit game, right,
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  Speaker 3: that almost defined the season the way the pit game went.
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  Speaker 3: And then you had a terrible home year for the
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  Speaker 3: most part. Uh, and then the way you lost yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: So there are these other factors that go beyond the
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  Speaker 3: statistics of the six and six, that go to what
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  Speaker 3: did the six and six look like?
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  Speaker 2: The pit game might have redefined the season. That's a
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  Speaker 2: really that's a really hard one, and it's a really
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  Speaker 2: hard one, and that you've lost in bizarre fashion to
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  Speaker 2: them the last two times you've been up there. So
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  Speaker 2: that's that's hard to get past, and I think that
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  Speaker 2: did change significantly the course of the season. The part yesterday, though,
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  Speaker 2: was surprising from this standpoint, because one of the evaluations
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  Speaker 2: you make when you're trying to decide whether you're moving
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  Speaker 2: forward or staying with the coaching staff is how's the
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  Speaker 2: team responding to you? And all year, even in losses,
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  Speaker 2: West Virginia had been responding. You hadn't seen a West
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  Speaker 2: Virginia team that just got rolled over that. You had
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  Speaker 2: some losses, that Kansas State loss in the second half,
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  Speaker 2: but there were some other factors, but you had seen
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  Speaker 2: this team respond. You had seen this team not react
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  Speaker 2: to outside noise. They just showed up and play. Yesterday
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  Speaker 2: seemed to be a totally different deal than that. You
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  Speaker 2: guys can speak to that more than I can. But
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  Speaker 2: that was not much of a game from the very start.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's probably the most alarming part of yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Is it not just a loss. We had all said
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  Speaker 2: that's going to be a tough matchup going into lubb It.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to win lebb It. But I don't think
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  Speaker 2: you saw that coming. I don't think you saw you know,
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  Speaker 2: you go by grades and I'll give you a couple numbers,
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  Speaker 2: but you're right, hop I don't know that it much matters.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you saw what happened there. It wasn't the
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  Speaker 2: worst graded game of the year. And quite frankly, I'm
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  Speaker 2: a little bit surprised because the way that West Virginia
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  Speaker 2: performed at all levels of that, I think that was
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  Speaker 2: pretty clear. It probably was the worst performance of the year.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that maybe was the most alarming part
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  Speaker 2: of yesterday was just the non competitive nature of that
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  Speaker 2: game all the way across. I mean, whatud Texas Tech
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  Speaker 2: do scored on nine of ten drives, right, that can't
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  Speaker 2: happen for a defense that struggled all year. That's okay,
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  Speaker 2: that's particularly bad. So I thought that's what was alarming
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  Speaker 2: yesterday was the manner in which you lost that game.
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  Speaker 1: Right, We oftentimes used it, right, the old Bill Stewart thing.
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  Speaker 1: Got out block him, he got out tackle them. You
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  Speaker 1: didn't do either. No, you got out blocked and you
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  Speaker 1: didn't tackle as well, and you got pushed around. We knew,
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  Speaker 1: like you just said, I mean I knew going in
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  Speaker 1: there their senior day, they're all time leading rusher, their
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  Speaker 1: quarterback having a great year in Baron Morton. They've got
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  Speaker 1: really nice receivers that can make yards after catch. I knew,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we knew that could be a powder keg.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't, if you didn't answer them off defensively.
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  Speaker 2: That's what you had to see. That to me is
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  Speaker 2: the difference. That's that's as bad a matchup for this
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  Speaker 2: defense as you can get an offense that's prolific throwing
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  Speaker 2: it and you're going in with that defense fast, so
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  Speaker 2: that you knew that was going to be our problem.
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  Speaker 2: To me, the surprise was West Virginia's offense couldn't keep
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  Speaker 2: pace with a defense, especially a pass defense to statistically
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  Speaker 2: is worse than West Virginia's. That's the part.
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  Speaker 1: Guys.
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  Speaker 2: Tech had given up nineteen fifty yard place pass place
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  Speaker 2: almost to a game fifty yard pass place. West Virginia
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  Speaker 2: only had one play more than twenty yards yesterday, So
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  Speaker 2: that was the thing. The defensive performance was abysmal, but
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  Speaker 2: you kind of thought it might be going in giving
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  Speaker 2: the struggles of that defense. In that offense, the offense
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  Speaker 2: couldn't keep pace. That was alarming as well.
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  Speaker 3: And again, beyond the record you look at, it's reasonable
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  Speaker 3: to think that WU football would be comparable to Kansas State,
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  Speaker 3: to Texas Tech to Iowa State. Right, Oklahoma State, you
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  Speaker 3: would think, and I don't know what's up with Oklahoma State.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the weirdest thing ever.
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  Speaker 3: Oklahoma State doesn't win a conference game in Arizona States,
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  Speaker 3: couldn't win the conference.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, and you just weren't. You just weren't.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you could imagine reasonably going into Texas Tech and losing,
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  Speaker 3: but not like that. I mean that second quarter you
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  Speaker 3: were just not even close to competitive in that couldn't
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  Speaker 3: do anything, could do anything.
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  Speaker 1: And look, so I mean just that, just that we're
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  Speaker 1: recording ten thirty Sunday morning, so I think one way
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  Speaker 1: or the other, there's going to be a message that
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  Speaker 1: comes out. So if anything as of great significance or
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  Speaker 1: breaks to the point that there's enough to talk about,
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  Speaker 1: excuse me, we'll come back in and and we'll do something. Yeah. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: when Pete Samil has something, well why don't you just
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  Speaker 1: call Pete? You know what, I almost I have his number.
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  Speaker 3: We can give you a I almost I almost like
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  Speaker 3: texted him, not texting, but use the social media to
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  Speaker 3: see if he was hearing anything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, here's a lot yeah, like he I think
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  Speaker 1: he might have broken the Gust mills On story. Yeah
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  Speaker 1: tis the season, Gus mails On, who was just here
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  Speaker 1: in Morgantown last weekend now becoming the offensive coordinator of
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  Speaker 1: Florida State. I mean, it's it's that it's that wacky
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  Speaker 1: time of the season in college football. We had, you know,
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  Speaker 1: not only from the West Virginia game, but you just
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  Speaker 1: had these crazy things happening on the field this week.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, how many fights were that flag everyone right?
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  Speaker 2: Every game?
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  Speaker 1: Every game, those that flag planning trickled down. I think.
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  Speaker 1: I think because those guys look at like Ohio State
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  Speaker 1: Michigan was the early game, and then those kids saw
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  Speaker 1: it later in the day, like and it just started
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  Speaker 1: to like Houston, b y, you got into it in
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  Speaker 1: the end zone.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not really exaggerating that. It was almost
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  Speaker 2: every game there were fights and scuffles. A lot of
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  Speaker 2: them centered around flag planning, but others just scuffles. Almost
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  Speaker 2: every game.
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  Speaker 1: This flag planning is beautiful and a lot that's the
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  Speaker 1: new thing, flag planning.
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  Speaker 3: But you know what I call bs on that excuse me,
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  Speaker 3: well on this that was a heck of a win.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, High State was favorite three touchdowns r and
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  Speaker 3: Michigan goes in and beats them.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Day can't beat Michigan. I mean it was.
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  Speaker 3: It was a hugely emotional game. Don't be planting your
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  Speaker 3: flag there, don't do that that that's just you beat them,
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  Speaker 3: beat them like, thanks for having us, But you go
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  Speaker 3: to plant your flag, So no, you can't. Ohio State,
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  Speaker 3: what would they be like, Okay, go ahead, plant your flag.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I also think that's the second part. If you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: plant your flag, you gotter be ready to fight better.
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  Speaker 2: That's just yeah. If your staff is going to allow
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  Speaker 2: those guys to go plant, then you better just say Okay,
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  Speaker 2: now we're gonna meet and we're gonna fight. That's just yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because I don't You're right, I don't blame the team
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  Speaker 2: that's getting the flag planned. I mean you could say,
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: don't get beaten, they won't plant flag. Still there, you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna fight, so.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, same deal. He's tear gas. Wow, it's pepper spray pepper. Well, uh,
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  Speaker 1: same deal. Florida State, Florida, Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The component of the all of those wasn't just players
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  Speaker 2: getting into it. There were multiple coaches going at it
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  Speaker 2: Florida Florida State, Norvela and Napier went Knows to nose.
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  Speaker 2: Mike Loxley got on James Franklin afterwards for running up
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  Speaker 2: the score.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it used to work together, didn't they.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Franklin had an interesting answer on that. And
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  Speaker 2: we'll move on to basketball on there in a second.
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  Speaker 2: There's no sense talking about Mike Loxley and James Franklin
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  Speaker 2: for goodness sakes, but I will because Franklin's comment afterwards
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  Speaker 2: I thought was I'm not necessarily agree with a lot
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  Speaker 2: what James Franklin says, but this one he was right.
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  Speaker 2: He just said, listen, what are we supposed to do?
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  Speaker 2: He said, defensively, you still had your ones in there,
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  Speaker 2: and you're trying to come at us. We had our
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  Speaker 2: threes and fours in there. Those guys practice every day.
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  Speaker 2: They deserve to play football too, So we're going to
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  Speaker 2: run our offense. And if you're going to try and
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  Speaker 2: stop us and play cover Zerow and coming us, and
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  Speaker 2: we're going to try and score, absolutely, so we're fine
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  Speaker 2: with that. And he said, and then here's the other thing.
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  Speaker 2: We're trying to make the college football playoff, and if
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: one of the markers in there is point differential and
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: margin of victory, then by god, yes we're going to
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: try and score. And that's not my job to try
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: and stop us. That's your job.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: That's why it's pretty well said.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: That's pretty well said. That's probably pretty well said, even
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: if the playoff component isn't in there. But if if
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: college football is going to decide you want point differential
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: in margin and victory to be something we evaluate, then
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: teams that are going to get beat are going to
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: have to be expected to give up more points.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: And as you said, if you got your ones and
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: your blitzing, like, okay, all right, here we go, let's play.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: You're still playing, We'll still play.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So that ends a Mike Loxley portion of my
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: didn't think we get it, didn't get a Micael Love
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: didn't think we get a Mike Loxley today.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: But just for the hell of it, Andy Cottle Nicky
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: wanted to say his name one more time, just one
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: more time as well, right, just to just throw Andy
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Cottle Nicky's name in here.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: All right, So are we ending football there with the
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: assumption that there it doesn't matter?
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Curly C.
• 17:41
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• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Well, so we can do.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: They do they do do basketball. The worst stat was
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: the the inability to get the ball deep on a
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech pass defense that had been horrific. That to
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: me is the one number coming out of that.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, what was it? I mean, do you have
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: any long completions?
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: One he had won more than twenty yards? That was
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: my one number.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: And in Texas Tech, uh, Tony as you saw sold
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: out to stop the run. So there was no respect
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: for the past game none and did like single coverage
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: in West Virginia couldn't get good. I mean it's just
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: and Gary Green gets sacked like three times in the
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  Speaker 3: first half.
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  Speaker 3: But one other thing about the game, Tony that that
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  Speaker 3: how about that played by the six nine tight end
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  Speaker 3: catching that balls one hand in the end zone? Yes,
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  Speaker 3: what do you do about that?
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's in fairness, that's go well okay, yeah
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  Speaker 1: that was incredible. It's a great catch. Yeah. They had fun.
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  Speaker 1: Oh they had fun. Put their tight end, put their
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  Speaker 1: Did that? Yeah? I took a direct snap to Taj Brooks.
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  Speaker 3: Wylett Whyett Mileum had a reception? Yeah, would not have counted,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, Oh really because not eligible?
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was ineligible. Okay, he did have a catch. Okay,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: so it doesn't count because Way waved off. Okay waved off.
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  Speaker 1: So I checked the numbers.
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  Speaker 1: Let's jump into the analytics worship of the show. Ready.
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  Speaker 1: They say, play through the whistle, through the whistle. Now, Brad,
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• 22:21
  Speaker 2: What an incredible three day run, just to you mentioned
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: at the beginning of the historic nature of that three games,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: three days, all go to overtime, crazy, just remarkable, right,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: So that was impressive. The fact that you walk out
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: of there with two wins over top twenty five teams,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: one being a top five win in that tournament setting,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: and really, quite frankly, should have should have had a
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: third there against Lowville. You just got a horrific whistle
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: arresting the here North there. We'll go into that later,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: but start start with that Gonzaga game and just the
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: way that West Virginia team came out and attacked right
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: from the beginning. And I think that's the overall message
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: that you walk away with. And I'll get into some
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: numbers of these individual games, the performances by some of
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: these guys, but I think the biggest takeaway is the
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: fact that Darren has a group of guys that bought
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: in and that he got to play exactly how he
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: wants to play, not only now in the short term,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: but moving forward, that gritty, that tough, that no excuse,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: We're just gonna line up and play and if we're
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: under man, we're under man, let's go, We're going right
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: at you. And I think the ability to get those
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: guys to buy into that and then and then perform.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: So that was a great combination, guys. That was that
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: was culture on display. That was some elite x and oing.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: And we'll talk about that a little bit later. I've
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: said it since since June. You've got a you've got
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: a basketball coach here that's really elite. Staff staff tremendous
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: as well, but you've got a head coach that is
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: really elite in exploiting matchups and finding ways to get
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: your guys in the best position to take advantage of
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: those specific matchups. And Tony, I thought that maybe more
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: than anything was on display this weekend in different ways
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: throughout each of the three games. And we'll explore that
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: a little bit more, but that that really stood out
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that you're right. I think that in
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: a three day span, you could see that he's playing
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: chess and sometimes others are playing checkers. He just does
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: an incredible job of identifying matchups and then exploiting that matchup,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: like you said, and it takes him time. As he said,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: to us in a postgame to get a feel. And
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: so that Pit game, you kind of look at it now.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I bet you they'd love to play Pitt again because
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: there's certain things now that they feel, Okay, now we
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: can tweak this, tweak that. So it's a tweak mode.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: They get to the Bahamas, they start tweaking, and yeah,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: you really can't overstate the significance you're talking about that
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Gonzaga game. Here's a team that returned eighty one percent
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: of its offense, seventy one percent of its rebounding ten
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: of its top twelve players, from a team that won
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: twenty four games last season, that was beating its opponents
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: so far this year by thirty plus points, thirty two points,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: crushing them.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: On the glass. Great offensive rebounding.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Team, I mean the pace number one in the in
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the world in the world.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Number one offensive efficiency team in the country on.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Kempong, up and down. And then you go out there
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: and you do that.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Here the thing about that and we'll kind of we'll
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: kind of go in order of games here. But the
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: thing that jumped out at me and Tony we talked
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: about a lot on the air. West Virginia took a
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: guy on Gonzaga and Graham e k who's who's a
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: likely All American preseason Player of the Year in their conference,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: and rendered him so ineffective. Mark Few could not play
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: him in the second half. Had to take their best
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: big and sit him on the bench before four minutes
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: in the second half because West Virginia was destroying them
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: with a matchup and it was to explain what they did.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: So they they said, you got a piece.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Of paper out and like hold it up, So they did. So.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: West Virginia looked at that game and said, all right,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: we've got a size disadvantage and it's pretty significant, but
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: here's our advantage and this this is why that game
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: will will carry through. We'll talk about this a lot
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: because it came up again an Arizona and it will
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: come up in Big twelve play. Talk about Amani Hansbury
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: being such a key to this. And that's the second
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: part real quick before we go forward. Elite matchup exploitation
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: by Darren Elite X and O. But then you had
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: to have guys execute upon that plan. And that's what
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: you saw throughout this tournament. This wasn't one or two guys.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: There were multiple guys that had big time performances. We'll
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: get into all this. So they took Amani Hansbury and said, Okay,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: you want to put a guy on and that's bigger, wider, taller.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: That's fine. We'll try and hold our own underneath the
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: basket on the defensive end when you come at us.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: But here's what we're going to do offensively. We're going
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: to run him out and we're going to just pick
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: and roll you to death. And you've got to make
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: a decision. Do you want to jump and hedge on
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Javon Small And if you don't, then we like Javon
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Small in a one on one matchup getting downhill and
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: kicking it. And if you want a hedge on him
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: and you're going to leave a Moni Hansbury open at
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: the top, then he has the ability to shoot threes
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: and bury you. And boy did they. Hansbury and Small
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: through the first two games were absolutely incredible. They that
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: third game hop as two of the five leading scorers
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: in the tournament. Javon was unreal with thirty one points
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: and Hansbury backed that up being open time and time again,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: and West Virginia just kept going to it, saying all right,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: you guys, fine, try and stop this. And I just
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: can't get over that Mark Few had to take Ek
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: out of the game and couldn't play them one of
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: their best players. In West Virginia's matchup, everybody wants to say,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: this team doesn't have size, how's it going to do it?
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: That's how you do it. That's how you execute it.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: You take their size and turn it against them. Well
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: and say, okay, you got bigs, you can't guard us.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Flip that script. You don't go into that saying, oh
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: my gosh, what are we gonna do? How do we
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: handle this? You say, here's what we do. Well, we're
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: gonna go do this. You figure out how to match us.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: And that's ultimately, of all the things we can get
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: into more numbers. That's what got West Virginia that win.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: They took what was perceived as their disadvantage and flipped
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: it into an advantage. Put the ball in Javon Small's hands,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: and said go the other piece of that. Gonzaga also
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: went into that game saying Tucker Devrees is not going
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: to beat us, so we are not going to allow Tucker.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: So every time he got it, they were doubling and
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: jumping at him, and that's where West Virginia just said,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: javan it's your ball. You and Amani go take it.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: And they did. Yeah, tremendous hity six seventy eight final
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: score in overtime. What's Virginia wasted no time in the
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: extra in the extra session, just took control and had
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: their way with him in overtime. Gonzaga ended the game
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: missing six of its last seven shots. But Javon Small
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: just was, like you said, bred, he was just outstanding.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah he's got a chance, you think, so good, so good.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: He just controlled the game, controlled the game. Had the
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: ball could go by, you could hit a pull up.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, Tony, how many guys did he make fall down?
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: There was at least one a game trying to guard him.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: He made a move and someone goes down, hit the shot. Yeah,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: threes going either way, playing off screens, just controlling the
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: pace of that offense. When they needed to go a
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: little bit faster, he did. When they needed to slow it,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: he did, And just just absolutely tremendous performance. We'll talk
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: a lot about offense because there's more numbers that come
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: with that, but defensively, I thought this team showed you
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: what it's all about defensively as well. This is a
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: really gritty, smart defensive team that gets up in you.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: But the number of times hot that they deflect and
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: get their hands on balls or poke balls. The offense
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: gets a lot of the headlines, but that's really driven
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: by defense. And the defense was elite, I thought in
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: all three games in this tournament.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Also just battling through screens, you know, physical through screens.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: They just don't allow themselves. They just don't take any
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: time off of what they're doing defensively. They get after
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: it and you know, we'll mention it again for the
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Gonzaga game because it was it was on display. Gonzaga
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: has a has a point guard, Ryan Emhart, who's it's
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: not a stretch to say might be the best point
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: guard in the country. Tony his assist to turnover ratio
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: is just outrage of one seven to one going to
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: the tournament. Got better in the tournament sincere Harris locked
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: him up offensively, what was he one of ten the
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: hard one of ten from the four still had twelve assists?
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Fine didn't have a lot of tournaments, but could not
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: get his own shot off and score. So sinceres defense
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: individually continues to be really good as well. Which that
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: then when you have a defender that's doing that on
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: the point guard, that allows the rest of the team
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: to play great team defense, which you saw.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: You know how West Virginia won that game. Don't talk
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: about it a lot, but the Gonzaga game. At the
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: foul line, oh yeah, man, they went twenty three of
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: twenty six. And here's why that was so important. They
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: had to Gonzaga went nineteen of twenty two eighty six percent.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: In overtime. West Virginia went nine and nine for ten
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: against Gonzaga and against Arizona they went seven of eight,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: So they went sixteen of eighteen at the foul line
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: in the two overtime wins.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Clutch when you needed to be clutched.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: And there was a play in the post game, not
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: the postgame, in the overtime that you all were talking
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: about in the Arizona did you listen to us?
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you did. Yeah. How's junior sound fantastic? Good,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: very good. You guys are a good team.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: When when Arizona had to foul, but the ball was
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: thrown in at the great point, yeah, and got it
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: to whoever.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: They got about it.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, so they were so Arizona. It was it
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: was late in Arizona game. Will jump around here, little
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: bit late in the Arizona game overtime, and in Arizona
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: was gonna foul, had to foul. Ball comes into Toby o'cannie,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: who will get into it. We'll get into Toby specifically
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: when we talk about individual performances, because I thought he
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: was outstanding in this whole tournament. But they inbounded to
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: him and this is a high IQ play. He catches
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: it and immediately it barely hit his hands.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Pow potato.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: They were coming to foul, right, because that was foul
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: anybody but Javon Small or Tucker Right, they were going
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: to take their chances with anybody else on the floor.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: And as soon as as soon as Toby got it,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: he immediately hit a touch pass to Javon who had
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: been covered and they couldn't inbound to him. Javon gets it,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: they had to foul him. So yeah, that's an overlooked
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: play in leading you to a win. But a super
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: high IQ played by Toby o'connie, Yeah, absolutely right.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Didn't do as well free throws in a Louisville game
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: because there were no fouls because Louisville didn't committee fouls
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: in the game.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Amazing.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: We talk a lot of times if you make more
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: than your opponent takes, you probably end up in a win.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: We won't say a lot that an opposing player makes
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: more than West Virginia takes. But that's what happened with
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Chucky Hepburn. So that's another game if you go back
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: with that one, and boy, that's hard for me to
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: believe that there should have been that big of a
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: free throw gap in that game for two teams that
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: played similar styles. I give Louisville a lot of credit.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: They totally remade their roster as well. Those are all
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: new guys on that team. They've put together a roster
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: that's really scrappy. That seems to be another program that's
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: bought in to what their coach is selling in terms
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: of culture. And it was like looking in the mirror,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: it was two teams that aren't going to back down.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: They're going to physically play tough. They're going to play
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: great physical defense and get after you, which surprised me.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: The free throw gap ended up where it did. I
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: thought that would be a game with two teams that
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: are very similar. That probably should have been more even
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: on the free throw side of things, but that was
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: definitely the difference in the game. Louisville got to the
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: line more. They took advantage of Chucky Hepburn was outstanding.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: He got to the line himself. That was the difference
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: in that game.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Way back when when John Beelin was in his first season,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: the Mountaineers went to Charleston and beat a very talented
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Florida team at the Charleston then Charleston Civic Center, and
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: that was the signature brand victory for John Beeline very
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: early in his tenure. That might have even been like
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: the fourth.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Game similar to this. I think it was in the
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: four to five six range.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, So I think these games will be those those
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: foundation posts that Darren dev Rees has put in to say, like, Okay,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be fine. Everything's good, your program is in
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: good care. I got this, We've got this. But again,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I'll always stay with this, not even not this isn't
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: just after West Virginia loses where I say, you know,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: it's not as bad as you think, it's not as
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: good as you think. It's somewhere in the middle. The
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: same with this basketball team right now. What you asked
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: what they just did, what they just did was incredibly
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: difficult and hard. They did that. I think they did
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: not get double figures in three games combined off the bench.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: We had five. We had five going in after the
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: first two games. I don't know what the bench scoring
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: was in the Arizona game, but my point is, right now,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: let's see the bench. They got six points. They got
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: eleven points. Eleven points off the bench in three games.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: So my point is right now, Darren and the staff
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: are doing a little loaves of bread and fishes and
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: they're feeding the masses. But at some point you got
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: to get something off the bench. You hope, at some
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: point to get Jaden Stone back to give you another
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: shooter on the floor. We played with without Eduardo Andre
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: in the last game he injured himself against Louisville. You
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: don't know what that situation is going to be or
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: for how long. So it's good that the games are
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: spread out right now, and you've got a great opportunity
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: coming up here against Georgetown. But I looked at it
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: this morning at Ken Palm in the time, in the
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: top nine or ten teams right now, like you're either
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: you've already played Gonzaga, you got a bunch of these
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: games coming up. Cincinnati's in the top ten in Ken Palm.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Now it's as difficult as it's ever been in WV
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: back history.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: What you're about to get into Colorado lines up beats
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: you Conn and Malley. So yeah, I think that's well said, Tony.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: There's some bumps in the road still coming here for
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: this team. But I think what it did if you
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: take out just the signature wins, it gives you I
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: just think you can see the potential.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: That exists here exactly.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: And I think you're right when you say with this
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: staff and Darren in particular, you're in good care. You've
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: got a guy that is elite and knows what he's
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: doing on both ends of the floor and how to
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: do this. And so even though in year one you
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: should expect some bumps and some twists and turns, I
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: think you feel really good about about where you are
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: and what's to come down the road.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's the way to say that. I
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: that's really well said.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: That it gives you confidence, like, oh okay, all right,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: we won't be all right. You're going to be okay, Yeah,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: what it's done, Brad. What was Ken Palm's projection for
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: West Virginia on wins and losses before this.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Tournament thirteen ish, I believe.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, So now, because of what they did at this tournament,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: he now projects West Virginia to go eighteen thirteen overall
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: and nine and eleven in the Big twelve, which would
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: probably get you in the.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: NC, don't it. I don't think probably. I think given
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: a Gonzaga and a ranked Arizona at the time, if
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: you did that, if those projections held, I think that
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: that's a there's no doubt that's a tournament team you
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: wonder like you again, I'm sorry those change, Those change
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: pretty quickly. Western He entered this tournament about seventy six
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: and Ken Palm and now is closing it on the
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: top fifty.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Just that, like you said, Tony, because I was surprised
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: that some of those guys had as much in their
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: legs as they did by the by that third game,
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, still making free throws.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, at that.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Point, shots didn't go later, I mean yeah, meaning didn't
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: go didn't go away from you. You were still able
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: to make big shots. But that but that's what's really interesting.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: And I think that's where Tony you make a good
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: point about the bench. Some of those guys are going
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: to have to come along, and I think they will,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: but you you have some really elite guys at the
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: top that so there's and there's a couple of ways
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: to look at this. First of all, we mentioned Javon
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Small was so good, and then you see some youth
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: there with Amani. Hansbury's probably a head of schedule on
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: how he looked. And remember that's a guy that was
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: a top fifty sixty guy coming out of high school,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: didn't get to a lot of playing time at Illinois.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: He's a guy that has made him massively since June
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: in buying, in skill set, in leadership. So he was fantastic.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: He was really really good, great distributor of the ball
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: at the top, which is the other part of that
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: if you want to come out and try and press
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: him because you know he can make shots. That's the
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: second avenue off of that mismatch is now that lane
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: is open for backdoor cuts, which you saw. So javan
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: and Imani were excellent scoring wise. But then how about
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: in game three, what did Arizona say, okay, Javon Small's
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: not beating us. And what did Javon say? Okay, that's fine,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: I'll just go ahead and take the baton and hand
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: it to Tucker da Frees. And Tucker Davrees showed why
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: he was the number one guy coming out of the
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: transfer portal and is on NBA Radars, goes out and
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: sets a tournament record with eight threes. Hello, right, and
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: that's the Tucker Devrees that is out there, that was
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: the two time Missouri Valley Conference Player of the Year.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Got blistering hot and could not be stopped. And I
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: said multiple times, Broughcas, I can't believe how many times
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Arizona got hung up on picks or confused on the offense.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: West Virginia was running the different sets that Darren put
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: in just for that game in game to get Tucker
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: some more shots because he knew he was blistering hot. Tremendous.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: So that showed a lot too. That fine, you want
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: to take away Tucker early against Gonzaga, javan will put
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: thirty on you. You want to take away Javon in
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: game three, Tucker will put nearly thirty on you.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: So that was really encouraging His line was crazy out
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: of the Arizona game, twenty six points on eight of
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: twelve from three, two of three at the foul line,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: four rebounds, six assists, did not turn the ball over,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: and because of fouls, only played thirty six minutes in
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: a forty five minute game. By the way, some of
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: those threes were near the beach.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he had some logo threes.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were out there near that mid court stripe.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Other thing Tucker gives you this is a sneaky stat.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: West Virginia currently hits eleventh nationally in blocked shot percentage,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: average height five to four on this air team, and
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: they are eleventh in the country in blocks. Tucker gets
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: more blocks for a six to seven guy than I
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: think anybody I've seen. Super good defensively, So.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: They're fun to watch.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: I just think that the way they came out of
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: this tournament and Mountain basketball fans have been great anyway,
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: filling the Colosseum now, way, hey, let's go watch this team.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Friday should be really good, really New Brandon Georgetown
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Friday Night with a team coming off these two wins.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: You hope Friday turns into a great student turnout and
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: a chance for these players that haven't got to experience
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: what the coliseums like when it's jumping. You hope it's
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Friday to two more. Let me give two more quick
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: stats because I thought these three stats from Arizona in particular,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: that were indicative of this team where it wants to
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: go and where it is right now. Twenty four to
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: six points off turnover advantage against Arizona, and that was
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: about seventeen to zero midway through the second half. Arizona
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: did not get its first points off turnover till midway
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: and the second half. Hop we just crushing them in
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: that area. Another area, seventy eight percent assist rate in
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: yesterday's game, So West Virginia assisted on seventy eight percent
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: of its baskets. That led to listen to this number
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: eighteen on guarded catch and shoot jumpers because they were
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: passing the ball, so well, that's that's huge, That's a
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: season high in those. Tucker had a lot of those
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: that he was open. And the other part and Darren
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: has said this since the very beginning, that West Virginia
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: would get better on the glass, that there's some technique
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: you can do to overcome your lack of size. West
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Virginia took an Arizona team that was seventh nationally in
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: offensive rebounding percentage. They had the number one offensive rebounder
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: in the country player wise, number one, and that kid
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: had two on the very first two possessions of the
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: game owaka putbacks. They only had one put back the
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: rest of the game at the rim on a misshot.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: West Virginia out rebounded Arizona fifteen to twelve on the
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: offensive glass. Amani Hansbury had four massive ones, three that
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: came almost in back to back to back possessions late
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: in that game, second half overtime. That we're huge.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you just did it by the
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: eye test, there's no way in the world that West
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Virginia should have been dealing with Gonzaga or well, for
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: that matter, Louisville just size wise. And Arizona was big tea.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I mean that one dude from Lithuania, I mean seven
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: to two sixty. They had size. Townshend was a big horse,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: big big big guys. And to your point about Imani
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Hansbar and he's playing out a position, he's a power
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: forward and he goes underneath there and just bust it
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: and I think that's why, not only was the key
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: to their success, just that entire hustle, but that's why
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: we're hearing a lot from Mountaineer fans. I love this team.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: I love this team. I love these guys because that's right,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: that's what everyone appreciates, that's what you're expected to look like.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Last individual performance soccoball, we got talk about Tobyoconnie because
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: I think that guy has a chance to mention a lot.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: He a real key to this season six ' eight
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: super athletics, super springy, and he in this tournament seemed
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: to totally buy into what Darren's been trying to get
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: him to do, and I thought it showed up perfectly.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: First of all, being an elite defender, which he has
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: been and matched up extremely well with whomever he was
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: guarding in this event. But then on the offensive end,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: be available to make some threes, and man, he had
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: some big corner threes, including that one late Tony yesterday
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: against Arizona, so he shot it really well. But for
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: the most part of the tournament, he wasn't just sitting
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: out there trying to bomb threes and settle for threes,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: took them when they were open, knocked him down. But
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: other than that, he was using his athleticism hop to
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: get into the lane with the ball and then elevate up.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: He's a quick and springy jumper. Elevate up, get a short,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: little baby hook up over the defender. Extremely effective. He
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: gives you twenty points yesterday, had double figures in the
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: game before he was I thought really good offensively, not
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: just because of raw numbers, but the style and the
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: manner in which he went about his offensive game I
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: thought fit perfectly. And he deserves a lot of credit
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: for buying into what that asked of him.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. So we were runner the basket, hop. Yeah, so
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: we're running the basket. So you got here, then you
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: have the basket, and then you have the other corner
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: over there. So we couldn't see that corner over there.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: So when Toby hit those threes, like you see the
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: ball get passing the corner, you have no idea who
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: has it, and so you all of a sudden, like
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: you just wait and you see the ball going up
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: to the rim and you're like three point shot and
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: then you kind of like you look over as the
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: person runs down. It was Oconne kind and I mean
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: he had two threes going into Bahamas and he had
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: three in the game. You didn't have a monitor. No,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: we we were operating less than one efficiency there. We
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: got on the air. We got on the air.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: We gave you double figures in each game like that.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: That's a thing if if we say that, hop for
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: more game than not. This team's gonna win some games.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: That gives you that fourth scoring threat behind at Tucker
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: a Javanna Hansbury and now Toby's scoring for you. That's
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: that's really effective. He was I thought he was tremendous.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Anything else, well, we'll get a lot more. But I
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: think that's probably good for a NOA.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Later this week we'll we'll do Georgetown. This will be
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: a good one. Haven't had the Hoyers in here in
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: a long time. Edward Cooley, former Providence coach, is now
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: their head coach. And I don't think Darren, the staff,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: and really the players have yet felt the Colisseum vibe
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: when it's filled with electricity.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: They haven't seen it yet.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: This would be a great thank you for playing well
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: in the Bahamas if you have the chance to come
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: into the game on Friday night, to come on in
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: and blow that place up and make it super loud
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: and give those guys an idea what it's going to
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: sound and feel like when the league play starts.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Georgetown makes me think of the old Big e you
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: saw Louis Corneseca died.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Ninety nine years old. What a wonderful man. Yeah, you probably.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sure I interviewed him when I was a student,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: and he couldn't have been any nicer. Couldn't have been
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: any nicer.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a heck of a time in Big
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: East history, wasn't it. They put a picture out today
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: of a coach's picture back in that time, and it
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: was wild with her with a young Beheim and John
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Thompson and PJ. Carlissimo and Rally Massamino and a really
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: young Rick Barnes. You kind of forget about he was
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: in there at a time in Providence. Yeah, but go
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: back to those those eighties when Carnaseca really had a
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: cooking with Walter Berry and Chris Mullen and all those dudes. Yeah, legend.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't know he'd coach there twice. Yeah, did he
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: go to the Pros?
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: He was there and he went to the Pros at
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: that time. Might have been the Aba and the nets
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: or something that went to the nets then came back
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: and that's when he really.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: You know, a little West Virginia connection on that. So
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: you imagine Rick Barnes was the head coach at Providence.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: He signed Jason Williams to Providence and then left and
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: went to Clemson, which eventually freed up Jason Williams, who
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: eventually ended up at Florida, Florida. Right, so, little West
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Virginia connection. As we record, it's breakfast time. And when
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: you have that hankering for a little something something, why
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: wouldn't you want the Mountaineer biscuit from Tutors. Here's why.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Last March, during the basketball tournament March Madness, Garden and
• 47:34
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• 47:38
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• 47:43
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• 47:48
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• 47:51
  Speaker 1: So why don't you celebrate continue with the Mountaineer. If
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: you haven't had one yet, give it a try.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Somebody probably I probably thought some probably thought that other
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: biscuits had an advantage exactly because they were farther south. Correct,
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: like maybe the Georgia biscuit, or the Alabama biscuit or
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: the South Carolina biscuit.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Tutors went in there and forced their biscuit to step out, right, madam,
• 48:13
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• 48:16
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• 48:25
  Speaker 1: stuff going on. You're ready for some You ready for
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: some textual healing? Yeah? All right? In that case, if
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: you're ready, I'm ready, let's do it. Oh, here's the
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: different one. That's fine. This is this one's good too.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Three guys on tonight. Yeah, I just got a can
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: we get an ai voice of Berry White talking on
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: top of her?
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: Probably that's right, montains textual healing, all right, three guys
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: before the game brought to us by episode eight hundreds,
• 49:09
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• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Did you see the text about the Straw family? When
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: did you have did you save that? I might have it?
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Let me save that. I'll let you know that right now.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Episode eight hundred Tomorrow is a cyber Monday and three
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Guys before the game Episode eight hundreds is ready. We
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: have the largest, uh our largest supply ever of Mountaineer
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• 51:50
  Speaker 1: since we haven't been on in a week, a lot
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: of the texts dated, but I think we're hitting we have,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: we will Bill hit general themes of what people are
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: asking about Charles in Southwest Virginia. I have not been
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: on the fire Neil brown train. Still don't have a
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  Speaker 1: strong opinion, but I have a question. What changed two
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: weeks ago before that it seemed Neil Neil didn't have
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  Speaker 1: a let me read this. Prior to then, it seemed
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: as if as long as Neil didn't have a catastrophic
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: collapse at the end, he was going to keep his
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: job due to the buy out in other factors. But
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: then something happened where it seemed like even six and
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: six might not keep his job even after beating UCF.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: I saw even more about his firing from the more
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: legitimate sources. I know people will point to this weekend's game,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: but I feel like it was the Baylor game or
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: something that happened that week that we don't know about.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Thoughts well, I think I laid it out this the
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: way the losses have occurred, the fact that you're essentially
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: five hundred after six years, in the way yesterday went down,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: that that's hard to overcome.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: The scenario going into yesterday's game was battle compete, be
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: there right to the end and then make an evaluation.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Don't get run. They got run. And that's what you know.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: Rin Baker's job is to analyze the state of the
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: program in its entirety. That's that's his job. But for
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: Mountaineer Nation, you're you're easily a prisoner of the moment.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: And yesterday just was just horrific.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Stephen from the Waterfront Marriot checking in. I have season
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: tickets in section one twenty seven with my dad and
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: I sit with p One Jennings. Oh of course he does,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: he said, I look, he looks forward to picking my
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: brain during games. Anyway. Anyways, one thing we haven't talked
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: about women's basketball. Yeah, the undefeated world champion DOUBLEV women's
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: team plays tonight Sunday night against Texas, and that's an
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: old classic big twelve entanglement Texas, big really good West
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Virginia and Texas plays in the championship of that tournament
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: in Florida, and WVU continues to roll, but have not
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: played a team like Texas yet. You'll get an idea
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: as to where they are. Anyway, He asks about the
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: season that Jordan Harrison is having for the women's team.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Please cue your coach Hunter voice. Yeah, she's a pretty
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: good player. Coaches like her. A lot.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Guy said, such a bad Coach Hunter impression. Fifteen points
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: a game, five assists per game, two steals the season
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: ended today, She's in the top seven percent and Nashley
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: have every one of those categories, and her backcourt running
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: mate is right there JJ averaging seventeen a game, four
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: assists per game, three steals per game. Season end of today.
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  Speaker 2: She's in the top three percent of two of those categories,
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  Speaker 2: in the top eight percentile of one of those others.
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  Speaker 2: So the backcourt certainly living up to preseason billing both
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: of those latest wonderful players.
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  Speaker 1: Steven Wirt County I'm fifty seven years old, huge fans
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: as long as I can remember, and what I witnessed
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: in the Bahamas maybe the greatest three game stretch I've
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: ever watched. I watched in person. West Virginia beat u
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: nl V, the run to the Elite eight with coach
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Bline of course, the final four run with hugs, but
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: the grit in the fight of these young men this
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: past week something that was amazing. This team deserved to
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: win all three, but a couple of bad breaks for
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: you questionable whistles ruined that. But I can honestly say
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: I don't ever have ever been more proud of a
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Mountaineer basketball as a fan. Thanks for all you do.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving, Stephen Wirt County.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, typically you would not expect to beat the
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: number three team in the country unless you were coming
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: into the season brand loaded.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that that was really the exclamation point. The battle
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: against Louisville and the win over Arizona. We're outstanding that.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: That's a massive exclamation point over that. That Gonzaga team,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: who will be right in the hunt commenca a tournament
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: time for a title. They had every every piece of
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: the puzzle you're looking for.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: And you know, listening to you guys, going back and
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: forth with you and TV, and what was the story?
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: What was the attraction Gonzaga was the.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: This is a team could compete in the national championship,
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: a few might finally win the national chip.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: That was the story.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: Now it changes, it changed during the game, but that
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: was the attraction coming in.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Sure, I'll tell you what else changed. But during the
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: course of that three day event. Now again it's November.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Now these help you tremendously. A lot of basketball to
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: be played. Some folks in Indiana might have a little
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: situation developing there not so good.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of Indiana fans at that resort.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of Indiana and I'm not sure
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: their team knew they were playing in those games. My gosh,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: top fifteen team, big payroll. Reportedly they were not impressive,
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: even a little and hoppey.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, those fans not real happy with the current situation.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Who had the most fans there Indiana and it was
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: close Indiana. Yeah, they were there. They were hanging their
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: flags up on the balconies at the resort.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: There was all Indiana, way more Indiana flags than Bohemian flags.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Indiana claimed Bahamas as a.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Talk to a couple of their fans. Spend a lot
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: of time with one Sunday before or Saturday when we
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: play our last game. I don't know what days we
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: played Friday. Maybe I talked him Friday. It feels like
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: I talked to him four minutes ago, not four hours ago.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: He very very disappointed in the state of the bastal program,
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: really impressed with the Mountaineers. It was a Cincinnati lived
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, so he I knew a little bit about Westford.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: That's a great, great tournament.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: That's a big boy tournament. It is a big boy
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: That and Maui are the two big ones. Yeah Yeah
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: t Dub from Barbersville, Wednesday evening text. This is a
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: while ago, coach, this is right after the Gonzagger game.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Coach Devrees just sold one point eight million glasses of
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: kool aid from Paradise Island. Talk about some numbers across
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: the board. How about Ren's success and hiring head coaches
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: second only to Hoppy. Hey, three guys, do you think
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: that Tucker Davrees has been the Tucker County yet? I
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: feel the get Tuckered tourism campaign missed an nil opportunity.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: That's pretty good. I did have to drive him down there.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Well done, Thanks Dean from Parsons. Well he's down in
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: that area now and now he lives in Fairmont though
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: he's gone to the big city. Wow. What a tournament
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: for the Mountaineers n C double a level of play
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: by all teams. Excited to see what this team looks
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: like in March. Coach Devrees and staff of the program
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: culture set. You could see it plainly on the floor.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Guys stepping up, making plays both ends. Love to see
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: the hustle energy. Let's go out near signed by John
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: In and then he spelled where he's from. A h
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: i a ahiah, that's what he said. I it's catching gentlemen.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: The men's basketball team got three and a half games
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: for the price of three. What a stretch and they
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: did it primarily with seven players. What's the status of
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Jaden Stone and Abraham oh Yader at this point? Abraham
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: I think is designated to red shirt, but that potentially
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: depending on what happens with Eduardo Andre could change Jade
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: and Stone they're hopeful that at some point he does
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: get back into the loop.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: You mentioned long season ahead, and that's that's certainly when
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: you're playing with this margin of air that's so thin
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: in terms of number of guys. Health is going to
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: be a mad concern moving forward with with this team,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: with with how much basketball has to come, how much
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: physical basketball has to come, how much how many grinded
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: out games are coming. So that's that's one of the
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: things to watch moving forward, is just the health of
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: this team is gonna play a big role into the
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: ultimate number of wins and losses.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: I think guys get hurt, guys get sick, sure, you know,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: and just it's a it's a it's a long grueling season,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: especially in this league.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: You know. And that's something that from a coaching standpoint,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: you have to do this for a good number of
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: years before you're able to put things into perspective. Like
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: young coaches get paralyzed when things don't go as schedule.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: I've seen that happen. Ah. So we were talking to
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Darren before they went on the floor to play Arizona
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: and he said, hey, by the way, he said, Edwardo
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: is out and he said, won't play today. A situation there,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: and like I said, okay, so what do you do?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: He goes, well, right, I guess you know, Harris will
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: put Harris Harris go to Harris kids just played two
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: games so far this year and basically came in as
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: a as a practice player. And uh, he just kind
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: of giggled.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: The guy said, I think I became paralyzed on what
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: to do next.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: He dropped that on me, and.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: You played to get garisona they got nine, what you
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: mean and what are we doing? And he said, ah,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: he goes, what the hell? He said, you know, We'll
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: put Harris out there. You see what he does. And
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: I think you have to go through it a good
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: long time to get those You get to get those calluses.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: That doesn't flip you out because I'll oh, I'll never forget.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: And I played that role that you played when we
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: got on the bus. We were on the bus going
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: to the Garden to play in the Big East Tournament,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: and they said, Tyrone Sally were everyend's running worse to Tye.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Ty's not coming. What do you mean Tyrone's not coming?
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: He goes, he can't get up, he's in he's in
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: his room, he's got the flu. He's done. And I
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: go like, like the cartoon character whose eyes go like,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: that's what are you gonna do? Jeff Newbar was there
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: news right in the aisle, but I said, what are
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: you gonna do? And he goes, eh, he goes, We'll
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: just we'll put Frank in there. Frank will be fine, Frank,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: and Frank goes up. I mean that's what it is.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Step up.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: And Harris came in, gave you seven minutes, had two
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: offensive rebounds.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well that's that's the fan.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: I'll look at a three, right. I mean, they're gonna
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: they're gonna run their offense. I've seen him hit those
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: in practice. So you just try and cobble together.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: Which can That's the advantage of Devrees who's been a
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: head coach and coached a long time.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: What hasn't he seen? Yeah? Right, at this point, I
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: mean it's not new twenty was it twenty seven years?
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Twenty plus? At Craighton six at drake A.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: You see everything, and you're ultimately gonna need a lot
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: of guys to play. You're gonna need Harris, you might
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: need a b to come in. Jonathan Powell will get
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: cranked up. Right, he didn't make a ton of shots
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: from three in this tournament. He will Those are come.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: kJ Tenner gave you some minutes, So you're gonna have
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: some guys that are gonna step up and continue to play.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: You're gonna you're gonna need a bunch of guys. You're
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: gonna be also contingent from the whistle. If you don't
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: get a good whistle and somebody gets two fouls in
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: the first half.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: It's right hop And that's and that's really what happened
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: against Arizona. So style of officiating matters, and that doesn't
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: always mean, I'm I'm not gonna say you're always gonna
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: get screwed on that. But yeah, if if Tucker gets
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: a couple tiki taks, We've mentioned I sincere it gets
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: a couple early on, it changes the course of that game.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: If Amani gets a couple, It's been that way the
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: whole time, right, I think if Amani had gotten a
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: couple of fouls early trying to defend against Gonzagar and
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: he goes out, that changes that game and you don't win.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: You just simply don't win it. You don't win it.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's gonna happen in some games.
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  Speaker 1: have turkey on Thanksgiving? We did? They Yeah, they tried. Yeah,
• 1:04:25
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• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: and there I don't think turkeys are native on the
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Behamian Islands. Had he had to bring that one in
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: and I don't know, maybe the order for the stuffing
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: didn't get in, didn't have any of that.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: It was fine, It was fine. Turkey was fine.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: Mashed potatoes is fine.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Guess mass potatoes were good. Guess where our turkey came from?
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, tell us about Revkev's turkey. Kev's turkey. Was
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: it good? Yeah?
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: He made fitty fifty turkeys. Fifty turkeys. Had a little
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: bit of a situation. What happened, Well, because the turkeys
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: were so big, up to twenty pounds, he couldn't get
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: as many in this small pokers at the same time.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: Had to do two shifts, sure, it's standard in the industry.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: Had to do two shit tasted how dark smoked, right smoked,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: and just delicious. And the dark meat was just standing
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: so well done. We still have leftovers A lot of leftovers.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: So good job, Rev Kevin. Those turkeys all right?
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  Speaker 1: So a reminder Episode eight, Hunter dot com open for gifting,
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• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: We hold on, hold on, did you want to talk
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: about that Oliver Straw?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do that? Oh yeah, give me that.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: That Oliver Straw text?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Thank you? So we got this is crazy.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: We got a text from Oliver's dad, Anthony, who's a regular,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: who's a regular friend and prim The text to Anthony
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: came from one of Oliver's friends that was here as
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: part of the extravaganza back at the speakeasy, right, and
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: came to see Oliver Trent. So Trent sends a text
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: to Anthony and their group chat and says, cannot make
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: this up. We just got recognized at a museum by
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: a group of random guys saying the same.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Where where's this museum in Morgantown?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: No?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know where they were? No, they were they
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: were at is that where they were?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Museum in DC?
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Okay? So a group of random guys came up to
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: Trent and his group and recognized them from the three
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: guys before the game podcast. Trent's quote after he explained
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: that little story said, this is just getting stupid. Job
• 1:06:35
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  Speaker 2: and say hello, well done.
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  Speaker 3: They traveled, but same time it's a pack, so they're
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  Speaker 3: easily Recognizedble there's.
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  Speaker 1: Ten of those cats walking around. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely had some listeners in Bahamas as well. Spent some
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  Speaker 2: time talking to a couple yesterday. Yes, so thank you
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  Speaker 2: guys that stopped and chatted with us while we were in.
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  Speaker 1: The little cloudy No nice off and on.
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  Speaker 2: No, it was first day some cloud After that, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't see anything.
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  Speaker 1: It was better than it was here. Yeah, it was,
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  Speaker 1: it was, It was, it was you know, it was nice.
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  Speaker 1: It was a good experience. I've never been to Bahamas.
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  Speaker 3: Probably go back for there is West Virginia. Is a
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  Speaker 3: they doing it next year? Will they be in next year?
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  Speaker 1: These tournaments are going to turn around these there are
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  Speaker 1: gonna be new events because now you're going to try
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  Speaker 1: to fund your revenue for your rev share. You're gonna
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  Speaker 1: use these tournaments. Try to feel like they had one
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  Speaker 1: in Vegas this week where each team that went got
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  Speaker 1: a million dollars for the for their nil real So
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  Speaker 1: these things are gonna change.
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  Speaker 2: He also can't play in this one every year. It's yeah,
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