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#0191_Dusty Slay — Moon Landing Conspiracies, Flat Earth, Aliens & the Nephilim · INSPIRE STORY

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Dusty Slay, welcome to the show, man.
• 0:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm pumped to be here. Honored to be here.
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: Pumped to have you. Pumped to have you. I was
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: watching a bunch of your stuff over the weekend and
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: got some awesome laughs.
• 0:17
  Speaker 2: Out of it.
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. So, yeah, I want to have you here.
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: We've been watching you for a while, actually, and then
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: so I was stoked when I saw your name pop
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: up on the list.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. I mean, when this came to me, I
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, amazing.
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: Good.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I, you know, I just don't think about
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: doing a podcast like this and this is great.
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  Speaker 1: Right on, man.
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: Right on. Well, it's definitely a nice change up for me.
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: We've only had one other comedian on.
• 0:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. My friend, John Crist.
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. You guys are buddies.
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: I love that dude. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: John's John's the best.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't talked to him in a little bit. How's
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: he doing?
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  Speaker 2: He's doing great. He's getting married and he's, uh, he's
• 0:56
  Speaker 2: getting married. He's getting married and he's, uh, you know,
• 0:59
  Speaker 2: he's comedy's great.
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: And that's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Every time I see him, he looks happy and.
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  Speaker 1: I'm happy to hear that, man. Well, let me give
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  Speaker 1: you an introduction here. Dusty Slate, you're a stand-up comedian
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  Speaker 1: known for your southern, working-class style of observational humor and
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  Speaker 1: are currently on the Neighborhood Guide Tour making stops in
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  Speaker 1: theaters all across the country. You grew up in a
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  Speaker 1: trailer park in Opelika, Alabama and spent years working regular
• 1:25
  Speaker 1: jobs before building a career in stand-up that has taken
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  Speaker 1: you to The Tonight Show, Jimmy Kimmel Live, Comedy Central,
• 1:32
  Speaker 1: and Netflix to where you released Workin' Man in 2024
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: and Wet Heat in 2025. You made your grand old
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: Opry debut in 2019 and have since become a regular
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: performer on the Opry stage. You're also the author of
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: We're Havin' a Good Time and other stories, sharing stories
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: from your life and career in comedy. And we're just
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  Speaker 1: here havin' a good time.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. We're havin' a good time.
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  Speaker 1: Right on, man.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what it's all about.
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: So I got a couple of things to knock out
• 2:05
  Speaker 1: here real quick. Everybody starts off getting a gift.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, all right.
• 2:11
  Speaker 1: Vigilance League gummy bears. All right. Made in the USA.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: No cannabis.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: Just candy.
• 2:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say, that's what I like.
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: I go, you know, my kids will love these. And
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  Speaker 2: I go, well, let's make sure. Yeah, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: And then I got a Patreon account, which is a
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  Speaker 1: subscription account that we've turned into... one hell of a community.
• 2:32
  Speaker 1: And back when I started this in the attic, they
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  Speaker 1: were the only one supporting me. So they're the reason
• 2:39
  Speaker 1: I get to sit down with you here today. And
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: so they get the opportunity to ask every single guest
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  Speaker 1: a question. So this is from Steven Casey. What principles
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: guide your comedy in a way that aligns with your
• 2:50
  Speaker 1: faith while avoiding the temptation to rely on shock value, vulgarity,
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: or sexual humor just to get a reaction?
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  Speaker 2: You know, when I was doing comedy early on, I
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  Speaker 2: would do some dirtier jokes. And this friend of mine,
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  Speaker 2: who I don't think would say he's a Christian, I
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  Speaker 2: was talking to him and we were talking about jokes
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  Speaker 2: that I was going to do that night. And I go, well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to do this joke. I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to do this joke because I have some people from
• 3:23
  Speaker 2: my church coming to the show. And he said to me,
• 3:26
  Speaker 2: he goes, it's interesting that you care about what people
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  Speaker 2: from the church think, but you don't care about what
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  Speaker 2: God thinks. And I go, whoa. And I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if he was just being funny with me. And I
• 3:38
  Speaker 2: think he was, but I was like, wow, that really,
• 3:42
  Speaker 2: that really hits in a way where I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if I'm so worried about what they think
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  Speaker 2: about me, then why would I not, you know, just
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  Speaker 2: clean it up altogether? Now, not that all of my jokes,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I talk about, you know, all sorts of things,
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  Speaker 2: weed and drinking stories and this and that. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't know that it all honors God, but I, I
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  Speaker 2: try my best to be funny without being crude.
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  Speaker 1: When did that happen?
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  Speaker 2: That was probably 2009 or 10, something like that. Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: It happened a while ago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I would say, you know, I, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think that moment did I go, all right, everything's clean now.
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  Speaker 2: And it, it took some time, but.
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  Speaker 1: It stands out to you. That's cool. It sounds like
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  Speaker 1: a significant moment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and there's, you know, there's been a few,
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  Speaker 2: you know, but I just think I never really been
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  Speaker 2: that dirty of a person. You know, when I was drinking, I,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I would, you know, my mouth was more foul. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I just try to I go. I want
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  Speaker 2: people to feel good that come to my show. I
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  Speaker 2: want them to feel good about themselves, which is kind
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  Speaker 2: of why my comedy has never been offensive. It's not
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  Speaker 2: that I'm necessarily worried to offend, but I just want
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  Speaker 2: everybody to feel good. I want them to leave the show.
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  Speaker 2: not feeling worse about themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll bet that takes a new level of creativity
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  Speaker 1: to navigate through your own guardrails that you've set on yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it helps you to be more
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  Speaker 2: creative because you go, all right, this is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe you're like, this is the obvious word that I
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  Speaker 2: would use here, but what's a word that's not cheesy,
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  Speaker 2: but that would also convey the same thing?
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  Speaker 1: Do you swear at all?
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  Speaker 2: Not on stage. I feel like there is, in wet heat,
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  Speaker 2: I say ass, because it was a homeless guy in
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: San Diego that said to me, he goes, would you
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  Speaker 2: like me to whoop your ass? And I just, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know how to replace it. And I thought, well,
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  Speaker 2: that's not so bad. And I am just quoting the guy.
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: Man, I'm trying to stop that right now. That is like.
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  Speaker 1: This may be one of the hardest things I've done.
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  Speaker 2: Not to cuss?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm just trying to stop saying F-bombs.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard for me to stop it. Like, real hard.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I have a buddy, you know, and he has
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  Speaker 2: a joke about that where he talks about that. He goes,
• 6:14
  Speaker 2: you know, when's the last time you said shoot? You know,
• 6:16
  Speaker 2: he goes, whoops-a-days, he doesn't really cut it when you
• 6:19
  Speaker 2: hit your hand with a hammer. You know?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, man. How did you quit? I mean... It's, I've
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: been unfiltered since 12, in my 40s now, probably earlier
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: than 12.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think, you know, sometimes I think it depends
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  Speaker 2: on where you come from and where you grew up.
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  Speaker 2: Like I have friends in the Northeast, they say F-bombs every,
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  Speaker 2: you know, every other word and it almost doesn't even
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  Speaker 2: feel dirty. It feels natural coming out of them. I
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  Speaker 2: have a comic friend, Jordan Jensen, and she's doing very
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  Speaker 2: well in comedy now. And she opened for me one
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  Speaker 2: time years ago, and I asked her to be clean.
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  Speaker 2: And she said the F-bomb like 40 times. And she
• 7:08
  Speaker 2: comes off. She goes, how was that? And I go, well,
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  Speaker 2: you said the F-bomb like 40 times. And I don't
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  Speaker 2: think she knew. I don't think she knew.
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  Speaker 1: That's how I am.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I can't even. Yeah, it's tough. It is real tough.
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  Speaker 1: I just, yeah, I'm trying to think of like a
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  Speaker 1: punishment to give myself every time I say one. So
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  Speaker 1: it's somewhat of an inconvenience. Yeah. But did you just
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  Speaker 1: stop it? Like, was it just, you're just like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not doing it anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think every time you become aware of something,
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  Speaker 2: then when you do it, you think about it. And
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  Speaker 2: then maybe over time, it just becomes less and less
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  Speaker 2: because you're now aware that you're doing it. I think,
• 7:49
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like, if you weren't aware, then you would,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you'd never be stopping, right? It's like with
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  Speaker 2: Christianity in a sense, like, you know, you repent, and
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  Speaker 2: the reason you're doing that is because you recognize that
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  Speaker 2: you're doing something wrong. If you're not, if you never
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  Speaker 2: recognize you're doing something wrong, and not that cussing is
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: necessarily wrong, but you recognize it, and then change happens. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I think for me is it's like when
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  Speaker 2: I– realized that I wanted to be a cleaner comic.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't happen overnight because my mind already, like I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't thinking that way. I was still thinking of dirty jokes,
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  Speaker 2: but once you go, oh, okay, well, I don't want to,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to do that joke because I'm not
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  Speaker 2: trying to do that. Then slowly you start to, you
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  Speaker 2: just don't think that way anymore. And then, you know,
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: I still have some that pop up. Zany's here in
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  Speaker 2: town has a dark and dirty comedy night. And I
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: did that show one night and I, And I was
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  Speaker 2: doing my dirty jokes, but I still, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: seem like the Christian guy trying to do dirty jokes.
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 2: Like it just, it doesn't seem natural coming from me.
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 2: Now, if you're in the car with me in traffic,
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: you go, who is this guy?
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  Speaker 1: I can relate. I can relate. You haven't, how long
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: have you been off booze?
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  Speaker 2: I quit in 2012. uh, late January, 2012. Right on.
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  Speaker 1: How was, how, how did you, uh, was that easy
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  Speaker 1: for you? Was that tough?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's similar. I wanted to quit for years.
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  Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. I was having a blast. Uh, like
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  Speaker 2: I never was like, um, you know, I had this,
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  Speaker 2: I had a mental image of what an alcoholic was.
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  Speaker 2: I had a movie image of, you know, he's a
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  Speaker 2: guy he's beaten his wife. He's hiding liquor. He's drinking
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: in the morning. And I go, well, I'm not doing
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: those things, so I must not be an alcoholic. And
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: then I read that Alcoholics Anonymous, the blue book, and
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: I go, oh, there's a couple of guys in here
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  Speaker 2: that are like me where I'm fine really to not drink,
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  Speaker 2: but the moment I have a beer, then I'm drunk. like,
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: it's like something comes over me and I'm fueled and
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: I'm ready to go. And then I can just drink
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  Speaker 2: all night. And I've had throw up moments, but I'm
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: more of a blackout guy. It's like my body just
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: holds it all in and my mind shuts down. My
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: eyes get glossy and there's a different person in there.
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: That's how I was. So you're what, 14 years? Is
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: it 14 years?
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 14 years.
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: I'm four years. And yeah, that's how I was. Blackout.
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my buddy used to.
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  Speaker 1: You ever seen a video of yourself blacked out?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I've done my... I used to carry
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: a camcorder because I thought it was fun. And I
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  Speaker 2: got many videos of myself. It's hard to watch.
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, man.
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: I know. Thankfully, it wasn't someone else's video showing me,
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: you know, that showed up on the internet.
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very blessed to have done all my drinking before
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  Speaker 2: the internet became too popular.
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  Speaker 1: Good point. Good point. Well, let's do, so like I said,
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: I want to do a life story on you. So
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: where did you grow up?
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: I grew up in a town called Opelika, Alabama, which
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: is next to Auburn University. If, you know, people are
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: familiar with the SEC. But I, you know, I was,
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: you know, my parents divorced when I was two or three.
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  Speaker 2: I always said two. And then later after I did
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: two jokes on two different albums, my dad told me
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: it was three. So I go, I don't know. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know why you let me keep doing those jokes. But,
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: but so I lived in Chambers County, Alabama, a town
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: called Lafayette, Alabama, when I, until I was two or three.
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  Speaker 2: And then my parents divorced and I moved to Opelika. And,
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  Speaker 2: and then I went back and forth, you know, Close
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: with both of them? I am close with both of them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we have a good relationship. I fight with my dad some,
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  Speaker 2: but we have a good relationship.
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  Speaker 1: Right on. What were you into.
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  Speaker 2: As a kid? I was always a bit of an artist.
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  Speaker 2: I loved drawing. I almost feel bad for kids today
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: because when I was a kid, I drew because I
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: was just bored out of my mind. My mom would
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: take me to my grandmother's house. My grandmother lived, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in Alabama. She had no air conditioner. She had no cable.
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  Speaker 2: And we just sat down there. My grandmother crocheted. It'd be,
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: you know, a hundred degrees in the house. She's got
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: an Afghan on her lap and she's crocheting away. My
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: mom works third shift. So she's passed out down there
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: and I'm just sitting there with my grandmother. And I,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I've, I've made many jokes about my grandmother
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: being mean, but I, she just was not nice. You know,
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: she grew up in the great depression. She lost, uh,
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: I think, uh, she lost her first husband maybe in
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: World War II. And then, you know, and then my grandfather,
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: I think was injured in training. So, you know, they
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: just grew up poor and she was, and then he,
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: my grandfather died at 65 when I was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: four or five. So, you know, She had a hard
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: life and she just wasn't nice. This niceness wasn't in her.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm just hanging out with an oscillating fan occasionally
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: hitting me, giving me a little relief. And I'm sitting
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  Speaker 2: on her floor drawing pictures because that's all I have
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  Speaker 2: to do. And I became very creative, I think, because
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: of that.
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  Speaker 1: Right on. Why did your parents get divorced?
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: You know, it's tough to say. My dad's a diehard
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  Speaker 2: Alabama fan. My mom's a diehard Auburn fan. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if that played a role, but I just, I
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: think about my parents and I wonder less about why
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  Speaker 2: they got divorced and more about how they even got
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: married to each other in the first place. They're just
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: different people. My dad is, you know, my dad's like me.
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  Speaker 2: I think probably I'm a little controlling. I got a way.
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: I sit around and I think about the way things
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: should be. And I feel like I figure out the
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: best way. This is how I should live my life.
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: If everybody lived their life this way, it would be better.
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  Speaker 2: Is that right? I don't know. But in my mind,
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: I've worked it out that it is. And I think
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: my dad is like that. And then my mom is like,
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: go with the flow. We're having a good time out here.
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: We're we're living paycheck to paycheck because that's what money's for.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: I read something about a car in a pond. Do
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: you thought maybe that could be a potential reason?
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: Could be, too. You know, my parents had a they
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: said that was that my dad said it was the
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: newest car he had ever owned. And back then there
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: were no car seats. At least that's what they tell me.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: I wasn't in one. I was 21 months old. It
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: was a bench seat car with the gear shifter on
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: the dash. And my mom says she checked the mail
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: and needed to run it inside. So she just pulled
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: the car up next to the house. My dad lives
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: a little on a hill. And while she was in there,
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: I walked over. I don't remember. This is what they
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: tell me. I walk over. I pulled it into drive
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: or at least neutral. And those cars, those old cars,
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: they go. And the car started going. I drove it down.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: I crashed through a fence, apparently turned it, went through
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: between two trees where the door was still open and
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: it closed the door. They said if I'd have hit
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: one of those trees, I probably would have smashed into
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: the windshield. And then I went through another fence and
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: crashed into a pond. My mom can't swim. She goes
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: running down the hill. She catches, she goes around to
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: the driver's side. It's already sank down enough to where
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: she can't open the door. She goes around to the
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: passenger side. It won't open. And then she's able to
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: get the back door open as the car's sinking. And
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: she grabs me out of the front seat.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: And they towed the car out of the water later.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: And as the insurance adjusters there, he's trying to decide
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: if they're going to total the car. And he says
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: the windshield wipers just came on on their own. So
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: they totaled it.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Wow. And you were how old?
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: 21 months old. Jeez. My mom said I never cried.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: That said when she opened the door, I go, mama,
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: you know, and I'm just like, I'm just, you know,
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: I'm having a good time in there.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Wow. Wow.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: And, you know, my dad later said, my dad used
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: to own horses. I guess he still has some now,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: but we were riding around and he would do, he
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: would go, you know, he'd go cow. And I would
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: say cow. And he would go, you know, barn. And
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: I would say barn. And he goes pond. And I
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: said car. And so I associated car with crashing in
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: the pond. Sheesh. And then I've had a lot of
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: wrecks since then. I mean, it's, you know, I just,
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: I love wrecking a car out here, I guess.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Right on, right on. So what kind of stuff were
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: you into as a kid?
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, as I, as I got older, I mean, I,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: I loved, I loved drawing. I loved insects. I loved,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: I used to, I was always catching, I still am
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: to this day. I'm catching tadpoles out of a five
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: gallon bucket at my house. I'm raising them into tree
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: frogs and letting them go in a tree in my yard.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: But as a kid, I was always, you know, I
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: was always collecting insects and putting them in jars and
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: watching them and, You know, I was a little mean
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: to insects. You know, I used to catch worms and
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: I would stomp on a fire ant bed and throw
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: them in there. I don't think it was serial killer
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: stuff because I wasn't doing it to animals. They say
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: serial killers do it to animals. I've always loved animals,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: but bugs, I don't know. I loved, you know, you
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: could say I was torturing the worm, but I was
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: really feeding the ants.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Good point.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: So do you, you still catch tadpoles, raise them into
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: tree frogs and let them go? Yeah, I, Do you
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: do that for your kids or this is a legit hobby?
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: I like that. I say that I'm doing it for
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: my kids and they do like it, but I think
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I enjoy it more than they do. I really just
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: love it. I love, you know, these tadpoles were in
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: a five gallon bucket and I thought, well, they're going
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: to die if I don't get them out of here.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: So I collected them and I put them in an aquarium.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: And then over time, I, you know, I bought a
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: filter and I put rocks in there and I get,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: I get really into it and I feed them.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Do you live out in the woods?
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, the part of Nashville I'm in, there's a
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: million houses, but I happen to have found a spot
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: with three acres.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: So I have a little garden and I got an
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: oak tree that's probably a hundred years old. It's a
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: huge oak tree.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I love that stuff, man.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: I do too. And I collected acorns last year and
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I grew a bunch of little oak trees and I'm
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: not doing a great job keeping them alive, but I
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: probably still have 50 little oak trees that next year,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: or maybe even in the winter of this year, I'd
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: like to plant them out and try to grow them up.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: No kidding.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: I have some land in McMinnville, Tennessee, where I have
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: a little.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I almost moved to McMinnville.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah?
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I love that town.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I do, too.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Like, nobody goes there. Yeah.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I have a little Mennonite-built cabin, and we go out
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: there and hang out, and I planted fruit trees, and
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I mean... I'm all in. I want to buy. I mean,
• 19:20
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• 19:22
  Speaker 2: to dig my own holes. I want to get into it.
• 19:29
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• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Are you a prepper?
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Well, I, you know, I like to be prepared, you know,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, I won't say that I don't have some
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: food at home and I won't say I don't have
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: an entire room at my house filled with things that
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: if something happens, we could eat for a little while.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Nice, nice.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I just like to be, I don't like the idea that,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: you know, you even hear about towns where they have a,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: you know, they'll have a flood or they have something happens.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: And even just recently we had the ice storm here.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: And if, you know, the power went out, we would
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: have been okay for a little while. We would have been,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I have heaters and, you know, sub-zero temperature sleeping bags.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, we would have been good to go. I
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: don't want to freeze to death in my house because
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I go, I don't want to be called crazy. You
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, I know what you mean. I mean, I don't
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: care if people call me crazy or not. I love prepping. Yeah.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Like- The word prepper comes from preparation, and somehow we've
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: made being prepared a weird thing.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I don't even think it's that weird. I think it
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: used to be weird.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: And then COVID hit. Yeah. And then, I don't know.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, COVID created a lot of preppers. I definitely
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: stepped my game up after that.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, in the Bible, you know, in Genesis,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: we have, you know, there was a dream that was
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: prophesied by Joseph, and he said, hey, This is saying
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: you're going to have seven years of feast and then
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: seven years of famine. So be prepared. And they got
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: prepared and they survived. That's why I'm like, let me
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: be prepared. Yeah, man. Yeah.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: How often do you go to McMinnville?
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: I don't go as often as I'd like, but we
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: get out, you know, maybe once a month, maybe once
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: every two months. Yeah. And we go out there and
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I got, you know, I built, it was a bit
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: of a hilly land. So I built some swales so
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: that I planted fruit trees on there. So when the
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: rain comes, it builds up in the, in the swales
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: and it, cause I'm not out there to water them.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: So it keeps the, keeps the trees growing. And I got,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I got, you know, just about every kind of fruit
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: tree that will grow in this climate.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: And I got a little Creek down there. My kids
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: love to go down and play in the Creek.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: And what a great way to spend time with family,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: you know, just totally separated from, you know, everything.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I, you know, I don't, we don't have
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: internet out there and we don't have great phones at
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: which I like, we have it. So, you know, we
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: can still make calls, but you know, we're not, you know,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: we have no wifi at the house and it's, it's
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: nice because we, you know, we have a TV if
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: we want, we'll watch a DVD. Uh, but we, you know,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: we can't just scroll YouTube all day. Yeah.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Very cool. Very cool. So what, what else were
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: you into as a kid other than tortured insects and
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: stomping on worms?
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: You know, I liked, you know, I was, You know,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I love to play. Like in the trailer park I
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: lived in, there was woods on either side of us.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: So me and my friends, we would go, we would
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: just spend the day in the woods. We had creeks.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: And even back then I was collecting crawfish and little
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: salamanders and tadpoles. And we would just, you know, run.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I built a rope swing out in the woods. And
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: then my dad lives on a farm. And so he
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: had land all around him. And we would find, you know,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: we would find vines, you know, like Tarzan out there.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: And we would swing on the vines over creeks. And
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: my dad had four wheelers and we would ride and
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: we would go down to the Tallapoosa River. And we would,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: you know, my dad was always like, never swim in
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: this river. And the moment we could get down there
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: without him, we were swimming in the river. And we
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: loved it. I mean, we're just, we're real country kids.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, you riding, before we had four wheelers, we're
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: riding bikes down dirt roads and, It was just like
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: being outdoors was where it was at. There was a
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: store up the way from my dad's house where he
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: had a charge account on there. And we would just
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: go up there and we would get ice cream and
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: microwavable hamburgers. And, you know, we just were living a
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: real country life.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Man, I feel like that's similar to how I grew up.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I just feel like that rarely, it's a rarity now.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Like it almost doesn't exist.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I don't, I mean, I'm paranoid enough to where I
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: would never let my kids just disappear the way I
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: used to disappear. And I want them to, but at
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: the same time, you know, if I'm in a store
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: with my kids and they go on the other aisle
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: and I'm not on there, I'm like, you gotta, you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I'm like yelling at them almost. Like, don't leave the
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: aisle that I'm on.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Because, you know, it's just, I don't know if it
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: is any scarier today than it used to be, but
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: it feels like it.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I think it is.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I think it is too.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah. Yeah. I think it is.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: I go, you know, you just, you know, we'll go
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: and we'll have fun, but you stay with me.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: There's just so much more you have to worry about
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: nowadays than you did. You didn't.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Back then. Not that they did that. Our parents didn't
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: have to worry about stuff, but now there's just a
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: whole new slew of.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: And everything's so accessible too. You know what I mean?
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: And people have much more access to, to your kids
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: through internet, social media, you know? Oh yeah. Saying my,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: one of my best friends, Ryan Montgomery, I was saying,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: you know, when you give a kid a phone, you
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: don't give your kid access to the world. You give
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: the world access to your kid.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: So true. It's yeah. It's so crazy. It's like, yeah,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's, it's wild, but you know, my mom
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: worked third shift. So I probably stayed at home by
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: myself way earlier than I should have. But, you know,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: in the trailer park I lived in for a while,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: you know, my sisters lived there, but my sisters are
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: nine and 11 years older than me. We have a
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: different dad. So, you know, as they got older, they
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: moved out. And then my other sister and brother-in-law lived
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: next door to us in a trailer. So I would,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: you know, I would stay alone in my trailer, but
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: they were next door. And I remember, you know, the
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: old collect calls you would get where it would be,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: you know, this is AT & T, you have a
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: collect call from, and then they would say their name.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: I remember once I woke up and the phone rang
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: and it said, you know, this is AT & T.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: You have a collect call from, I know where you live.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: You're dead. And I go, and I, you know, I
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: jump up and run across to my sister's house and
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: bang on the door. And then I stayed at her
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: house for a long time, but they smoke cigarettes inside,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: you know? So I'm, I'm, you know, I'm getting, I'm
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: smoked up all night and then I'm going to school
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: and probably all my clothes, probably my hair smells like smoke. Yeah.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Were you a good student?
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I was a good student. I made A's and B's
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: growing up. I remember in second grade, I was in
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: classes and they took me out of the class I
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: was in to move me to a more advanced math class.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: So I think I might've been the only kid. There
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: were other kids that were in the advanced class for
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: all subjects, but I might've been the only kid in
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: second grade changing classes. And I always did the advanced
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: classes as I got older. But once I– I hated homework,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: and I never was much of a reader. So we
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: had summer reading, and those were always the– and then
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: when you get to school, you take two tests on
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: the books that you were supposed to read. And those
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: were always the first two tests that I would fail
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: every year because I had no idea. I loved an
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: essay question because I'm a bit of a rambler. And
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: an essay question, I can just write and write and
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: write until the teacher goes, all right, I know you
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: don't know what you're talking about, but I'll give you
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: a couple points for this creativity here.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: So did you, you primarily lived with your mom?
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: I did, yeah. My mom had custody and then every
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: other weekend I went to my dad's.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: And your dad had a farm.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: My dad had a farm and my dad got remarried
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: when I was roughly five and he had, his wife
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: had two kids. So I had two stepbrothers for... 10
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: years of my life. And then they got divorced.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: And they were older than me. So, you know, I
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: went from, I was almost like, I felt like, you know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: maybe the other kids don't feel like this, but I
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: felt like I was king of the trailer park.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I had all these other kids, but they all came
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: to my house because my mom was asleep.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: She worked third shift.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: So we were, you know, we brought all the trash
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: from the neighborhood to my house and we would build
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: things out of it. I remember we had a cat
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: one time. We would build a cage obstacle course for
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: the cat. We were just trying to see, can we
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: trap this cat in here with all this wood? And
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: the cat would always find a way out and we would,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: and then we would build a new thing. We weren't
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: hurting the cat. I think the cat probably loved it.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: But we were always building an obstacle course. But when
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: I was at my dad's, you know, I had two
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: older brothers. So I went from, you know, king of
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: the trailer park to now I'm being picked on all day,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: So you like being with your mom more probably.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. I mean, I liked my parents,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: you know, but, you know, my dad had all these
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: cool things. My dad had a pool. My dad had
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: four wheelers. And, you know, but with my mom, you know,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I was, you know, I was the king. I was,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: you know, we didn't have the same things, but, you know, I,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: you know, and I love both my parents, but it's, yeah,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was a little more free when you're,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: you know, allowed to do basically whatever you want.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Did you start getting into trouble because you could do
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: whatever you want?
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I didn't really start getting into trouble because we lived
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: far enough out to where there was really no trouble
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: for me to get into, you know, but as I,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: once I got a driver's license, that's where the world
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: opened up to me. And I was like, oh, now
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I can hang. And by the time I got a
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: driver's license, me and my mom had moved out of
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the trailer park. And now we lived in a house
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: just a mile away from the high school. So that's when,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: and then my mom was still working. My mom got
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: a boyfriend that she was staying with a lot and
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: her mom got sick. So my mom was gone all
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: the time. And so my house became the party house.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: So you went from a trailer park to a house. Yes.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: How was that?
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Well, for me, it was amazing. I mean, when I
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: was a kid, I loved the trailer park. I didn't
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: think anything about it. I had a bunch of friends,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: and we had all the woods to play in. But
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: as I started to get older, I started to get
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: a little self-conscious about living in a trailer. I was like, oh,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm the poor kid all of a sudden.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: And I don't know where it came from. I don't
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: think anybody was calling me poor, but it just kind
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: of seeped into me this– Like that, oh no, I
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: feel like now I'm the poor kid and I don't
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: want anybody to know that I live in a trailer park.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: And so when- How old were you when that started,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: when those thoughts started coming in?
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I would say about eighth grade. We had Hurricane Opal
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: come through, which in Alabama, where I was at, you
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: don't get a lot of hurricanes, but it kind of
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: spawned up some tornadoes and some trees fell on our trailer, right?
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: So we had So then kids are starting to tell
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: their stories about what happened to them in Opal. And
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I'm suddenly revealing that I'm living in a trailer and
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: that our house is partially destroyed, even though we're living
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: in it with a tarp over it right now. And
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I just think it started to occur
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: to me. And then ninth grade, I moved to high school.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: That was probably the hardest year for me just internally.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I don't think anything was going on. But my best
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: friend had moved away, and I was just starting– I
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: had a ton of friends. But just internally, I was
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: starting to feel this kind of self-conscious, I'm poor thing.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: And I don't even know where it was coming from.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Just a lot of insecurity.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Self-induced insecurity. Yeah.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Tommy Hilfiger was the cool clothes. All the wealthy kids
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: had Tommy Hilfiger. I didn't have a single Tommy Hilfiger thing.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: And I just– It started to feel weird about the
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: way I dressed and style was becoming more of a thing.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: And I felt like I didn't, you know, I didn't
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: have any of that. And then, you know, you, you,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: you know, just, I don't know, different things happen where
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: you're like, you know, your parents aren't together. And, and
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: so you don't have, not that I didn't have a
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: support system, but you feel like, you know, my parents
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: don't get along. They're not agreeing with each other. So I,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: That's why I think, you know, if you have kids,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: I think marriage is so important because it just, you know,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: you're always this safety net for your kids.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: How long have you been married?
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: I got married in 2017, so nine years.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Right on, right on. What do you think is the
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: secret to a successful marriage?
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know that I have any idea, but I,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't even, you know, Like I've, I
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: have two older sisters and they've been married, you know,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: for a long time. They have successful marriages. But I
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: don't know if a successful marriage is anything other than
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: just staying in the marriage no matter what. It's just
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: like things, there's times when things are like the happiest
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, this is wonderful. What a great family.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: And then there's times where you're fighting and you, it's like,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I don't think anybody says that marriage is supposed to
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: just be happiness all the time. I think it's just like,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: you just, when you go, like, that's why the vow is,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: you know, hard times and good sickness and health where
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: it's like, it's going to be hard. Life's going to
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: be hard sometimes. But I don't, you know, it's like,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: as far as marriage, like, I'm like, I never give
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: marriage advice because I'm like, I always feel like I'm new,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: even though I'm saying nine years now. But it's like,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, my mom was married twice.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: My dad is married four times. Now, his latest marriage,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: you know, is over 20 years. And so I think
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: that's a success.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: So over 20 years?
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Over 20 years.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Right on.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: So, you know, he needed some practice runs, you know.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: But I'm like, I don't know. To me, it's just
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: like when you have the fights, you don't think, I
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: want out of this. And I think that's, to me,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: that's the key is it's like you go, yeah, we're fighting, but,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: and yeah, I'm mad, but this is what it is.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: We're going to move past it and we're just going
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: to keep working and things are going to be good again.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: And it's like, and they, they always are. You know,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I've had many fights with my wife. Even before we
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: were married, we were having married type fights where we go,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: what are we even doing? But, you know, you love
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: each other and you keep going. And, you know, I mean,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: you know, I could be divorced by the time this
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: podcast comes out. Well, I hope not. No, but it's like,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: you know, I love my wife and I don't want,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to ever be divorced and
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: I don't want my kids to ever go through that.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: So you just, I think the key is going, I'm
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: in this for the long haul, no matter what.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that option doesn't even.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: It's not an option. Right. It doesn't even pop in
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: my head or my wife said, but I know.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: And I think as long as you both believe that,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: then you find a way to work out every situation.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like you learned a lot of lessons
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: from your parents' mistakes in marriage?
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't ever remember them being married.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: So I don't know, but I think that I just,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: you know, I learned that Even though both of my
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: parents loved me, being divorced was hard on me. So
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: I think I learned that I don't want to do
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: that no matter what. Because even now, it still affects
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: me in life. I'm 44 years old. And if I
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: want to go visit my parents, if I have four days,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I spend two with my mom, two with my dad,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: rather than four with my parents. And I go, well,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: I don't want my kids to go through that. I
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: don't want my kids to You know, and even if
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: my parents weren't doing it, it's always growing up, it
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: felt like I was making a choice between my parents.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: And I never want my kids to go through that.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I never want my kids to feel any guilt. I go,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: if I ask my kid, do you want to go
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: with mom to the store or do you want to
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: stay with me? I want that kid to freely go,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I want to go with mom. And I go, cool.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to act hurt about it. I'm not
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: going to be like, oh, I wanted you to hang
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: with me. I go, if you want to go with
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: your mom, Go with your mom.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: That's cool, man.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: You know, because it's like my problems are not my
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: kids' problems.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: That's tough though.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, but I just always want
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: it to be like, hey, whatever insecurities I'm dealing with
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: in my life, I don't want that to be your problem.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: You're a little kid that I chose to bring into
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: this world and you should just be free to go, hey,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: this is how I feel. This is what I want.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: And it's up to me to deal with it.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. How did you meet your wife?
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: My wife used to do comedy. Really? Yeah. And my
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: wife is Canadian. And I was living in Charleston, South Carolina,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: where I moved to when I was 21. And I
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: was visiting New York City for a month because I
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: wanted to– my buddy was living there and he had
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: a room come open. And I go, will you see
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: if your landlord will let me rent that apartment for
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: a month? I go, I want to keep my apartment
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: in Charleston, but I want to see what New York
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: is like. I want to get a real feel for it.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: So I went there for a month and I was
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: just doing the open mic scene. And my wife was
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: just visiting for a week, sort of doing the same thing.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: And we met at an open mic. And from there,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: we just started hanging out. And then I wanted to
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: move to New York. She wanted to.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Move to New York. You wanted to move to New York?
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: I wanted to do it.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: From Alabama to South Carolina to New York?
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: I felt like that was the way.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Right on, man.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: And so at the time there was a couple of
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: couple of people in the comedy business that I had
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: met that I was talking to. And so me and
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: my wife kind of made a plan that we were
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: both going to do it. We were both going to
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: move to New York. And then I ended up not
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: doing it.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: After one week.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I did a month. She did a week. I
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: think she had already made up her mind. She wanted,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: she was living in Toronto. So New York wasn't such
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: a big change for her, except she's in America. For me,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: it would have been a wild change. But a guy
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: I was talking to in the comedy business, when I
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: got back, I told him what my plan was. And
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: he kind of laid out for me two options in comedy.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: He goes, you know, you can move to New York
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: and you can work another job to pay an expensive
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: rent while working the open mic scene. Or you could
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: move to a city like Nashville. That's where he was living.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: But he gave the example. He said, Nashville... is very
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: centrally located to the country. So you could start working
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: all these other clubs, learning to work the road. In
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: a short time, you could become a full-time comic while
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: learning the comedy business. And I go, actually, I love
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: that idea. I like Nashville. I like country music. And
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I love the idea that I could not work another job.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: So I decided to move to Nashville. Hannah, my wife,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: went ahead and moved to New York. Now, she did
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: it all wrong. She admits that now. She moved down
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: with no paperwork, no way to make money. So she
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: just kind of found herself in New York, you know,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: not really able to do much.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Is she still dabble in comedy?
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Well, she ended up moving, you know, down to Nashville
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: with me. Like, we kind of quit talking. You know,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: we had a fun time. hang in New York. And
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: then it kind of fizzled out. She assumed she would
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: never see me again. And I was, oh, wow. I was,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: you know, trying to stay in contact with her. I would,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: we only had email, but I would email her periodically
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: and just go, hey, how's it going? And, you know,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: and I might hear back from her and I might not.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: But she was still doing comedy, working the Toronto scene
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: after she moved back. She moved to New York and
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: then moved back to Toronto. And I had a gig
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: in Syracuse, New York, and then one in Michigan. And
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I noticed that there was a way that you could
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: cut through Canada. Now, Toronto was a little detour, but
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: I could cut through Canada. I had a few days.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: So I messaged her and I said, hey, if I
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: come to Toronto, would you hang out with me? And
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: she said, yeah. So when I left New York, I
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: drove up to Toronto. I'd never been to Canada. And
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I drove up to Toronto. I'd got myself an Airbnb
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: and I got on a show and she came and
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: hung out with me. And we immediately reconnected in the
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: way we were in New York. I ended up staying
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: with her my whole time. I never stayed in my Airbnb.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: And then I talked her into leaving with me. And
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: she went on my gigs with me to Michigan. I
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: brought her down to Nashville for a few days. And
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: then she flew home. And then that was it. And
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: then we started dating from there. And she started working
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: on getting her work visa back. And then once she
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: started that process, she wasn't allowed to leave Canada. So
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: I had gigs in Ohio and Michigan and I would
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: go up to Canada and we would meet in Windsor
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: or hang out in Toronto. And we did that for
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: a year while I was working the road. And then
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: she finally, she got the visa, but it was only
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: a work visa. So she could, a work visa in entertainment.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: So she could only make money in entertainment. So I
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: was making... like no money. I mean, I'm traveling to
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: do a weekend to make 250 bucks. And, you know,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: a hundred of that goes to gas and food, you know? So,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: but I was living in Nashville. I was living at the,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: in the West side and I was living in a
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: big house with six other or five other dudes. And
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: I had a tiny little apartment in there for 250
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: bucks a month, not insulated well in an attic, super
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: hot in the summer, super cold in the winter. But
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: I was, and my car was paid off. I had
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: bought a car cash, I saved up money and I
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: was able to buy this car.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: It was a.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Volvo I bought with 100,000 miles. And I was driving
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: that thing all over the country. I traded it in
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: later with 317,000 miles. I never got a Volvo sponsorship,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: but I talked to them about how good that car was.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: And it was, it was a Volvo S60, had a
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: little speed to it. I remember driving through the upper
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: peninsula of Michigan, just no one around, just rolling out
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: on these back roads.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was great.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: But so she worked the road with me for years
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: and a couple of years. And then, you know, once
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: I started to have some success, make a little money,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: she confessed that she hated working the road. And I go, great,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: quit comedy if you want. I've finally made enough money
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: to where you can quit. And, you know, and she's
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: done a few things here and there. She'd have a
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: podcast or she ran a, Instagram account for a while
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: that was pretty successful, but it just really worked out.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: The more success I had, the more we were able
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: to just settle into a family life where she can
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: stay with the kids.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: And I think she enjoys it most days.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: How'd you propose to her?
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Well, in the most unromantic slash most romantic way, depending
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: on how you look at it, Her work visa was
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: coming to a close. And, you know, I never thought about,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: like for a long time, I really thought that I
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: didn't want to get married because I was like, I
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: don't know, it seems so complicated. If I love someone,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: we can just stay in that place where we can
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: just be boyfriend, girlfriend, but maybe common law married. No
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: need to get the government involved in it. But I,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: The work visa was coming to an end and I
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: was faced with a decision to where I was like,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: either we go through another long drawn out process of
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: getting her another visa or I let the woman that
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: I love go back to her country or I go,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: let's get married. And so that's what we did. We
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: just kind of decided, let's get married. And so we did.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: And then we went through the green card process of
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: you know, proving to the government that this was a
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: legit marriage and that we weren't just doing this for
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: green card purposes. And we thought it would, you know,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: it was difficult. She had a lot of things she
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: had to do, but like they wanted pictures of us together.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: So we put together, I mean, we're both creative people.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: We put together this storybook of our life and we
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: show up with a binder of pictures. And the lady
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: was like, whoa, She's like, I don't need all this.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: And she took one or two pictures from, but we had,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: you know, we had a written out thing. This is
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: us in this place. And this is our journey. We
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: got into it.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Right on.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: But the lady, I think was, she was like, all right,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: I get it guys.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: You still have it.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: We do still have it. Yeah.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: That's cool. Yeah.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: And it's cool. And, and, you know, and then now
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: she's a citizen. I mean, she went through the whole
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: citizenship process. The moment she was eligible to do it,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: she did it. And we would drive around and I
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: would ask her the questions off the citizenship test and,
• 47:34
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• 47:38
  Speaker 2: she probably knows more about American history than I do,
• 47:41
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• 47:44
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  Speaker 1: show sent you. You bought, did you go back and
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  Speaker 1: buy the trailer that you grew up in?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I did when I was 18. I, now some
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: of these times get a little fuzzy. I was, you know,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: I was messing around with several substances at the time,
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  Speaker 2: but I, at 18 or at 19, I was working
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  Speaker 2: at a Western Sizzlin, which I think that I might've
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  Speaker 2: gotten closed. I did, it was, you know, it's been
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  Speaker 2: there since my childhood. So it was old. but I
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: made a joke about it on working man about sweating
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: and a guy sweating in the green beans while he's
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: filling the buffet. And I just think it's a funny joke,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: but not long after the Netflix special Western Sizzling shuts down. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: so I don't know if it was me or not,
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  Speaker 2: but I would, I, as always, I'd like to apologize
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  Speaker 2: to them, but the guy had owned it for 30 years.
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  Speaker 2: I think genuinely he was ready to retire. And so
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: they sold it to a quick trip and they, and
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: it's a, you know, it's a nice spot now, but, uh,
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  Speaker 2: So I was working at Western Sizzling and this guy
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  Speaker 2: who was in the army was, or who used to
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: be in the army was in there. And I got
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: to talking to him one day and, you know, and
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: at the time I was just, you know, I was
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: just getting high all the time and I was just
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: getting high and going to Western Sizzling and I wasn't
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: going to college. I didn't know what I was going
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: to do with my life. And this guy told me about,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: he goes, I was in the army, you know, when
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: I was younger and he's like, I got to see
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  Speaker 2: all these parts of the world and I got to
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  Speaker 2: do this. And I go, that sounds awesome. So when
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  Speaker 2: I left, I went to the recruiter's office when I
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  Speaker 2: left work that day and I signed up to be
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  Speaker 2: in the army. Now, you know, I always like to
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  Speaker 2: say this, that, you know, it was purely selfish reasons.
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  Speaker 2: I have many friends in the military and I have
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: a friend who signed up for the military, the Marines
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  Speaker 2: around this same time. And we have vastly different reasons
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: and vastly different stories. And I can, I can talk
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  Speaker 2: about his in just a second, but I, So I
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: left and I joined and the recruiters were asking me
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: about smoking weed and this and that. And we talked
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: all through it. And then I joined, I went to
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  Speaker 2: Montgomery and did a physical and did the whole thing.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: And then when we got back to the station, the
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  Speaker 2: recruiter was like, he goes, he goes, I probably shouldn't
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: tell you this. He goes, but I know you like
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: to smoke weed. And he goes, in 30 days, you're
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: going to get shipped off. And So if you want
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: to do it again, do it tonight because this is
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: the time that you have. So then that night I
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  Speaker 2: got arrested for underage consumption of alcohol and possession of marijuana.
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  Speaker 2: And my court date came after my ship off date.
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  Speaker 2: So I, you know, I think I could have worked
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  Speaker 2: a deal to where I could go to the army
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  Speaker 2: instead of probation, but I had, you know, I had
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  Speaker 2: a signing bonus. I was going, I was going to
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Fort Benning. I was going to go airborne. That was
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: going to get me a little extra bonus. I was
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: going to be a chef or a cook in the Army,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: which I had this whole grand plan. I go to
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  Speaker 2: the Army. I make a little money for college, and
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  Speaker 2: then I learn to be a cook, and I can
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: maybe parlay that into a chef, and then maybe one
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  Speaker 2: day I own my own restaurant, something like that. I
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: had a plan, but then I got arrested, and then
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: I would have been in boot camp when September 11th.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: So it was, you know, just a wild time. And I,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, a lot of times I think that
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  Speaker 2: maybe this was a, you know, a divine intervention where
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  Speaker 2: God kept me from going and because maybe he knew
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: something would happen to me. I don't know. Now, my friend,
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  Speaker 2: on the other hand, we went to high school together.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: He joined the Marines because of September 11th. And we
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  Speaker 2: were just talking recently and not the Marines. He, he
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: joined the army. He's, Now, he runs the Army Ranger
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  Speaker 2: School in Columbus, Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 2: And he's like, he's, you know, he gave me a
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  Speaker 2: coin recently, one of his Army Ranger coins. And, you know,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: he's been deployed several times. But he's a different kind
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: of guy than me. I'm an artist. Me and this
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: guy weighed the same in high school when we were
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: on the wrestling team together. And in order for me
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: to ever wrestle in a tournament, I had to beat him.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: And I never could beat him. Even one time he goes,
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  Speaker 2: we were buddies. He goes, I got a girl I
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: want to go see this weekend and I don't want
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: to do the tournament. And he goes, so he goes,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: he goes, I'm going to let you win. And then
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: you go to the tournament. And I go, awesome. So
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: we wrestled. I beat him. And the coach was like,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: the coach goes, I don't know. He goes, we're going
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: to have to do this again. Like, I think he just,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: he just didn't believe it. He knew my friend was
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: letting me win. And so that's the kind of guy this,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: he is. I mean, he's a, he's a jacked guy.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: I have no idea how we weighed the same. I
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: got heavy bones or something. I don't know. But, but yeah. Okay.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: So my trailer. Okay. So after that, I'm stuck now.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Now I'm in, now I'm in my hometown. So now I'm,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: I'm back to where I started. So I go, um,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: my sister, when I moved out of the trailer, my
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: sister and her husband moved into the trailer and then
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: they traded it in like a car to a trailer dealership.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: So I go to the dealership and I ask, can
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: I buy the trailer? And they sell it to me
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  Speaker 2: for a thousand dollars. So, uh, my childhood trailer at
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  Speaker 2: 18 or 19, I now have back. And so I have, uh,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: so I moved back in with a buddy and we're
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  Speaker 2: living there and my My brother-in-law worked for a cabinet
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  Speaker 2: company at the time, a very nice cabinet company. And
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: this was at a time when, I don't know, the
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  Speaker 2: economy was amazing and things were going and somebody had
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  Speaker 2: ordered a set of these cabinets and it was the
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  Speaker 2: wrong color. So now they didn't want them and they
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  Speaker 2: were just sitting in a warehouse. So I put in
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  Speaker 2: these $ 2, 000 cabinets in this $ 1, 000 trailer and it looks
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  Speaker 2: bad on the outside, but on the inside, it looks great.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's phenomenal in there and I'm living there.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: And then I go to court. And I find out
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  Speaker 2: that I have a nine-month suspended driver's license. I'm on
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: two years probation. I mean, they really hammered me. I
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  Speaker 2: had $ 1, 000 in fines, not to mention my lawyer fees.
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  Speaker 2: My brother-in-law was kind enough to loan me a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of money, which it would take me a while to
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  Speaker 2: pay him back. But I did pay him back. And then,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: you know, and that trailer is what I would use
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: to later move to Charleston. I sold it for, I
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  Speaker 2: think I sold it for 3,500 bucks. So I bought
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  Speaker 2: it for a thousand and I made 2,500 bucks. Half
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: of which went to pay my brother-in-law back. And the
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: other half would get me, it would get me to Charleston.
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  Speaker 1: Right on, right on.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, I would, but you know, I
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: think about, you know, like as thankful as I am
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: that life went the way it went. I think about the,
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  Speaker 2: Policemen that arrest me who, you know, he's doing his job,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: but I was on a path to go to the
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  Speaker 2: army and now instead I'm sitting in a trailer doing
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  Speaker 2: drugs because, you know, he was correcting me. But, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he was doing his job. I'm not mad at this guy.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, because of the way my life all turned out,
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  Speaker 2: I'm thankful to this guy, you know? It's one of
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  Speaker 2: those conflicting things where I think, He gave me underage
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  Speaker 2: consumption of alcohol because I wasn't drunk. I had open container.
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  Speaker 2: So there was, you know, there was no breathalyzer involved.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't a DUI. And then the weed, I know
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  Speaker 2: everybody says it, but the weed was my friend's weed
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  Speaker 2: that he stuffed in his beer bottle and put it
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  Speaker 2: under the seat. Now, neither of us knew what to do.
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  Speaker 2: We were kids. We had no idea what we were doing.
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  Speaker 2: But that weed then became mine because it was in
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  Speaker 2: my car.
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Now, he got in trouble too. Looking back, there probably
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: was an opportunity for me to just tell them, hey,
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: this is mine. He didn't have anything to do with it. But,
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: you know, I didn't know what was going on.
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  Speaker 1: So were you into hard drugs or weed and alcohol?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I messed around with some stuff, you know. I
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: got this in my book that's coming out. I feel
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: like so many of my stories I've shared and my
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: whole drug thing is my one big secret in my
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: book that– Uh, it, it actually is a kind of
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: a thing that, uh, uh, I hope my, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm 44 years old. I'm still worried about my parents
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  Speaker 2: finding out about, uh, drug use that I did. Um,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, we had fun. All, all drugs were
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  Speaker 2: fun to me. I don't know that I, I was,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I, I was, uh, blessed to never be
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  Speaker 2: addicted to anything. And, uh, my, my only problem was
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: alcohol really, because I, I never viewed alcohol as bad.
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  Speaker 2: Like drugs, I go, this is bad. I shouldn't be
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: doing this. And this can't become my lifestyle. But, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I did acid and, you know, ecstasy and all those
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: sorts of things and recreationally. And that was, had a blast. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: I had some bad trips. I, you know, freak out
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  Speaker 2: a little bit, but overall I'm having a blast. It's
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: all experimentation to me. I'm listening to Pink Floyd and
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, I'm opening my mind. And maybe I did.
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  Speaker 2: But maybe you shouldn't. Maybe there's parts of the mind
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  Speaker 2: that need to be closed. Yeah.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: I would definitely agree with you on that one.
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  Speaker 2: You know? Yeah.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: But I get.
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  Speaker 2: Out of that.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: How long were you in that?
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: I would say two years.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Two years?
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: I was in the trailer. Two years. And the thing
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: about it was I didn't have a driver's license, right?
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Wait, are we talking about two years? When I say
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: get out of that, I was talking about drug use.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Are you talking about the trailer?
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: I started doing some drugs about 17. And then I
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: was done by 21. Oh, wow. 21, I moved to Charleston.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: And I was like, Charleston's a beautiful city and I'm
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: now legal to drink. So I'm just, you know, I'm
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: just drinking around the city. I'm like, this is a blast.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, and then there's, you know, various
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: pain pills that pop up around, which I think people
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: now we do, but there was a time when we
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: weren't really viewing that as drugs. This is, this is
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: legal medication that some people do recreational, but it's not,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: it's not drugs. Right. But, Later you realize, well, these are,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: some of these are very intense.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: These are the worst kind.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, I had, you know, I had friends that
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: I knew in high school that got into, I think, Oxycontin. And,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: you know, they weren't doing it for, you know, medical use.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, these guys, I knew guys that were, you know,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: melting them down and shooting them up. And some came
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: out of it and some I have never seen again.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: I have no idea where they're at. Yeah. Wow.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: So you could, You cleaned it up at 21. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I moved to Charleston and I just go,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: you know what? I'm, I'm a, I, I basically moved
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: with one friend. I moved with one guy that I
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: knew and he was never into that stuff. He was
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: always a, you know, he was going to college to
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: be an x-ray tech. And so he would come over
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: to my, he would go to, he would get out
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: of class and come over to my house and we
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: would smoke weed together. But, uh, he was a buddy
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: of mine and me and him just decided, let's get
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: out of here. Let's go to Charleston. And we moved,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: and he started working at the hospital. And we just,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: you know, we were drinking. And then he moved his
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: girlfriend up, and we had a fight and became, you know,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: I moved out. And we didn't talk for a little while,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: but now they're married with kids, and he's still one
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: of my best friends.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, I went off unhinged on drugs for
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: quite a while, so I could relate. Yeah?
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, they're all fun until you
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: get to a point where you go, oh, this is
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: not fun anymore. Now I'm just doing this. And I
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: think I– I don't know. I've always been a Christian, right?
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: I mean I've always– I've not always lived like one,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: and sometimes it's debatable if I'm living like a Christian
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: even now.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: But I– Why do you say that?
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's like, I don't know when you,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: when you, if, if Jesus is our example, uh, how
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: often am I really living like Jesus, you know? And that's,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: that's what I think. I mean, I, I try to
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: be a good guy and I, you know, but I'm,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: you know, I, I find myself, I'm gossiping. I'm, I'm,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm smoking, you know, I'm still doing weed
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: here and there. I'm, you know, and I'm like, and
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: then some of the things that I joke about, then
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: I go, I don't know. I go, you know, I
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: think I'm doing better than I ever have as a Christian.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: But I mean, back then, you know, you're like, you know,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: you're just living free. You're, you know, having premarital sex
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: like it like it's no big deal. And, you know,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: and you're like, well, this is not the example that's
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: been set forth for me by Jesus, you know. So.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: That's why I would say it. I mean, you know,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: because your example can't be other Christians because they always
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: will fall short, right? So, or it's like when people
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: idolize a preacher, they go, this is my guy. And
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: then that preacher does something and they fall from grace
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: and we all judge the preacher. They go, well, he's
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: not the example. He's also just a man and he's gonna,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: you know, he's gonna mess up.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: Do you always keep that at the forefront, being like Jesus?
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Which is constantly in your head, every decision, all that
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff?
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I wish it were every decision, right? I wish
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: I prayed before everything I did, but often I don't.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: I think about that sometimes where I go, should I
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: have called my friend to ask for advice before I
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: just prayed about it? I've heard that said where it's like,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: If you pray first, then you may actually hear God's advice.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: But if you ask everybody else in your life first
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: and then pray, are you hearing God's advice or are
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: you just being influenced by the other voices?
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: No, that's a good point.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: You know, and I go, I wish that I were,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: you know, praying about every decision that I make. But yeah,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think Jesus should always be the example.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: And I tell people that now. I go, I talk
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: about Christianity and I go, You know, never, you know,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: I go, never look at me as the example because
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: I'm going to fail you. Every preacher that you love
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: will fail you. And not because they're bad people, because,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: you know, we're all flawed and we live.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: So do you, genuinely curious here, so do you pray
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: before a lot of decisions or do you just think about,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: you know, what he would have done?
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: I do pray before a lot of decisions. Uh, you know,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, especially when with comedy, I mean,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: it's like, uh, comedy became, uh.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Like what's a big decision you've, you've prayed about?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: Uh, well, Oh, recently, um, or any, uh, you know,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: when I, when I signed with, uh, my management that
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: I have now, I, I really prayed because I went,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: I got, you know, I got offered JFL just for
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: laughs comedy festival, which was a, um, you know, it's
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: a big deal. And I had no representation, right? So I,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: from that, I had a really great set and I
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: was really praying, you know, for that, praying that this
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: would be good for me. And I had just a
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: phenomenal set. I mean, it was like, there's a bunch
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: of comics and they're all very good. And I had
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: the set of the night. I mean, you know, and
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: I don't say that about many things. I don't feel
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: like I'm necessarily good at a lot of things, but
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: I am good at comedy. So I feel Okay. Saying
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: that if I were like, just saying I'm good at everything,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: but I feel like I'm good at comedy. I feel
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: like it comes natural to me. So I had the
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: set of the night at, at my JFL unwrapped. And
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: so I had all these offers for management. I had
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: offers for agents. And so it's like, I had never
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: had that before. I had never for, for six years,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: I did comedy, uh, in Charleston and And I'd never
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: done a comedy club. No one, there was never any
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: agent in front of me, any manager in front of me.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: I just did comedy for fun. And now I'm four
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: years into being full-time and suddenly I'm having all of
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: these agents and managers want to sign with me. And
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: I go, this is scary to me, right? Because I'm like,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: I'm just a regular dude. I was not long ago,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: I was selling pesticides and waiting tables. And now I'm like,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: like Hollywood is like, like knocking at the door. And I'm,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm like, I want to make sure that
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: I'm signed with the right people and I'm protected. And,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: you know, and then in the end, I signed with
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: what I thought was the biggest, and I still think
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: the biggest management company that I had offered to me,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: but also my manager is a Christian. And I, I just,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: I feel good about it. I feel like We really
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: mesh well. And my agent is a Christian. And I've
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: met their families.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: My agent lives in Nebraska now. She's originally based in LA.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: And I did comedy for her children's Catholic school two times.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: My manager still lives in LA, but I met her
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: husband and I've stayed, she, you know, she has a
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: house in Colorado Springs where she grew up and I've,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: she's let me stay at her house or basically a
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: childhood home. And, you know, I just think they're good,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: regular people. And that's what I want. I want, I
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: want to do comedy at the highest level I can
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: do it while also being a normal person and also
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: feeling free to talk about Christianity. I was really afraid
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: to talk about it. And then I just felt like
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: that it's like really frowned upon in entertainment. And I
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: don't know why. Maybe it's back to being in ninth
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: grade where I feel like now I'm putting that fear
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: on myself. But when COVID happened, I started talking about
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: it on my podcast. And then little by little, nothing
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: bad ever happened. And I go, oh, great. And now
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: half my podcast is talking.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: About the Bible. Yeah, we were talking to your people
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: about it. And they said something about you're going, you're
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: really exploring the Old Testament now. Yeah. We kind of said,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: we just got to talk to you about it. What's that?
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: What's going on?
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: Well, in, you know, in 2012, when I quit drinking,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: I just, I did a total life change. I mean,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: I quit drinking and smoking cigarettes in the same day. I,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: I eventually, I was living downtown. I quit my job
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: as a pesticide salesman, which was You know, I kind
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: of make jokes about it and make light of it.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: But at the time, it was the best job I
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: ever had. It's a salary position. I had health benefits.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: I had retirement. And it was a good job, especially
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: for a guy that didn't go to college. And I
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: was like, and I quit that job. I sold my car.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: I ended up, the bed that I had, I'd slept
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: on this bed for 10 years where I, you know,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: It's disgusting, but I was an alcoholic. I've thrown up
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: on the bed. I had peed on the bed and
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this mattress is disgusting. I have a new life.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I say spilled lemonade on
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: the bed in a joke, but it's like I go
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: home and I go home wasted and I go, the
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: best way to not be hung over is to chug
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: a huge glass of water before I go to sleep.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: It hydrates my body. Sometimes you wake up to pee.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: Most times you wake up to pee. Sometimes you don't.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It's like nobody wants to
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: talk about pee in the bed, but you want to
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: talk about what kind of drinker I was. I mean,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: that's where we're at, you know? I slept on a
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: couch one time with a girlfriend of mine. I peed
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: the couch, and I wake up. She's not awake.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: I go, oh, good.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: I get up. I clean myself up. I put a
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: towel down on the couch. Nobody knows. I go back
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: to bed, you know? Nobody knows. I'm good at covering
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: it up.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: Right on. Did you just flip the cushion?
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Well, that night, I mean, she's on the cushion too.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: So I got you.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: I just put the towel down and, you know, fortunately
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: my girlfriend at that time was also an alcoholic. And
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: so she was sound asleep. She might've woke up, thought
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: she did it. We don't know. Maybe she woke up
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: and did the same thing, you know? But, you know,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: I just completely transformed my life. I even thought about,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: I was doing comedy pretty good at the time. I'd
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: already I late 2011, I won the local standup comedy competition,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: which was the pinnacle of Charleston standup comedy. So I
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: was like, and I had, you know, it's not like
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: I had not entered the contest before, uh, you know,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: twice I didn't make it to the, even the final round.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: And then this year I won and it was a
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: big deal. So on the surface, everything was going great.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: I had a girlfriend, I had won the comedy competition.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: My job was good, but I just felt terrible. I
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: was so like beat down from drinking that I was like,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: I gotta, and you know, probably a lot of it
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: was cigarettes. I mean, I was smoking so much, like,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: you know, I do a pack a day, but if
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: I was, if I was drinking, you know, pack and
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: a half, you know, I'm just pounding cigarettes. And I
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: remember waking up on the day that I On the
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: day that would be the first day of my sobriety,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: I tried to have a cigarette with my roommate. And
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: I just like I almost didn't have the lung strength
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: to drag the cigarette. And I go, what am I doing?
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: And I threw it out. And then later that night,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, the nicotine craving was hitting me so much
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: that I bought some dip and I dipped for three days.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: And on that third day, I was just like, I
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: was in the car. I was still, still selling pesticides.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: I was driving. I put a dip in and I
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: just felt like that I was sinking into the ground.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: I can't describe it, but it was just like, I
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: was like, all right. So I threw that out. And
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: then I, a little while later, I got to feeling
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: better again. So I go, all right, a little dip again.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: And that same feeling came back to me and I
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: just threw the dip out. And then I never, you know,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: never dipped again. I mean, for a year I did
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: no drinking, no weed, no nicotine. And slowly I got
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: back into weed a little bit. I mean, my weed
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: use is so tiny that it almost doesn't even count.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: To me, it doesn't. I like it, but I'm not
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: super functional. Like, I can't do comedy high. I wouldn't
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: be able to do this podcast high. And so I'm like,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: I barely do it. Sometimes at night I'll have a
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: little puff. But I love cigars. I mean, cigars, I'm
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: heavy on the nicotine these days. I love cigars.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: Right on.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: But... But that's it. That's what I got. But for
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: that year, I almost decided not to do comedy. I
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: just was like turning over my life and I was
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: reading the Bible in a new way. And I had
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: found this person and I started reading their blogs and
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: they were kind of opening me up to these New
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Testament ideas that perhaps all the things that we believe
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: have been done away with Or maybe not done away with.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: Because I feel like what a lot of us do
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: is we read the New Testament and then we read
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: the Old Testament with a New Testament lens. Whereas if
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: we read the New Testament with an Old Testament lens,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: maybe it's not all done away with, right? Like I
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: used to be, I mean, I was hitting a barbecue
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: restaurant once a day, just about. I was pulled pork.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: I was ribbed. And now I haven't eaten pork since 2013,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: and I don't eat shellfish. I used to work at
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: a seafood restaurant, and I was just– I mean I
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: was basically stealing food off people's plates all day. But
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: I'm like I don't eat pork. I don't eat shellfish.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: Wait, shellfish? Is that– is there a thing on that?
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: This is interesting you're bringing this up because I just
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: interviewed Cardinal Burke, a Catholic. And he was, I asked
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: him this exact, we did an Old Testament, New Testament
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: kind of series. And I asked him if the New Testament,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: if it makes the Old Testament obsolete. He said, absolutely not.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: It reinforces it.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's like, I mean, that's interesting that he
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: would say that because I feel like most mainstream people
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: and people with credibility and credentials and all of these things,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: So many of them disagree with me that even, you know,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: if I'm talking about this on the podcast, there will
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: be lots of people that quote Paul and Acts and
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: they'll use all these examples. And I'm not saying that
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: I know, but to me, what I read in Acts
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: and what I read in Paul's writings are not enough
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: to say that I should do it. Now, if I'm wrong,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: the way I view it, if I'm wrong, then all
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: I did was just not eat pork and shellfish. But
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: if I'm right, then I went against Leviticus, a long
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: chapter in Leviticus and a long chapter in Deuteronomy where
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: God says, these are all the animals that I created.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: These are the ones that I've designed for you to eat.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: And these are the ones that I've designed for you
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: not to eat. And so, and he says, be holy
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: as I am holy. And When you break down a
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: lot of those animals, like deer and cows and sheep,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: all on their own just eat grass. And then they
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: have multiple stomachs. And they filter all this food. And
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: this meat is very good. And a pig, on the
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: other hand, has one stomach, will eat just about anything.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: They say pig skin is tough enough that a snake
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: can bite it. Won't affect it. Pigs don't sweat. So
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: they just have a lot of toxins. And some scientific
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: stuff I've seen shows that, I think Dr. Axe has
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: actually said this, that pigs actually are more toxic. And,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: you know, so it's just bad for our body. And
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: I just think that's God saying, hey, this is good.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: I've designed this for you to eat and it's really good.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: And this is going to be, this is going to
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: be bad for your body. And then like when you
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: get into fish, it's like fish with fins and scales
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: are clean. And then you look at what they eat.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: Most of those eat good stuff. And then the ones
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: that are bad are like shrimp and oysters and scallops and,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: you know, catfish. And they're all kind.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: Of filters for the water. Interesting. I didn't know this.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: And I think sometimes I think, well, what if we
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: didn't eat fish? crab, lobster, shrimp, scallops, oysters, how clean
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: might the oceans be? You know, if we left all
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: of these filters in our water, we might have crystal
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: clear oceans out here. I mean, maybe not. I mean,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: we do pollute a lot, but, uh, but you know,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: and I don't mean us, I mean the world, uh,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: but it's like, who knows, maybe all of those things
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: would filter all that out.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: Wow. That's a good point.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, I've been, I don't know.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: I think about, I think that, uh, whatever, probably get
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: blasted for this conversation. Who cares? But, um, yeah, I,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: I think it's like, I'm new at this.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: I grew up Catholic. Then I, then I, uh, joined
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: the SEAL teams and whatever. It just went away. I
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: didn't even think about it until the last couple of years.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: I came back to Christianity and now I'm kind of
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: back into, well, not kind of, I'm back into Catholicism
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: because I like it. I like the structure. I like
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: how serious they take things like communion, the sacraments. And
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I look at new age
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: kind of Christianity and it's just, it's a, for me personally,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: I just view it as this is like an easy path.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: It's just, they've made it easy.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, you just have to believe and then you
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: go to heaven. I don't know if I'm buying that.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm buying that because I think
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: it takes a lot of work. You know what I mean?
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: And being a Christian is like a real Christian, I
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: think is hard. I'm trying to do it. And it's
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: just like, I don't know, man. I think you gotta,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: like you're talking about praying before every decision. I don't
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: necessarily pray before every decision, but I think about like,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: I think about it, you know, what would he do
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: in this specific scenario? Or if I reflect on things
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, that didn't really align, you know?
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: And it's hard. Like, we just started this with Cardinal Burke.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: Because I haven't read the whole Bible. And I don't
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: understand most of what I have read. And so... I've
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: kind of turned over this new leaf where we're going
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: to go through every single book.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: Of it on the show.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: I love that. And I've already started losing sponsors because
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: Like less than a week in. We have one canceled
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: because they don't advertise on faith-based content.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: And they've been with me forever.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: And then we do this and they're like, we're out.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: Well, Jesus says, if the world hateth you, remember that
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: it first hateth me.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, exactly. And it shows, like, it's like, well,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: I guess I could fold, because all you got to
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: do is believe, right? And then you go to heaven, supposedly.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: But I just don't buy it. I think, like, now
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, all right, this is going to be
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: a hard road. And now you're really at an inflection
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: point where it's like, well, I can either... not do
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: it because I'm infatuated with advertisers and money or that
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: goes away, which you can't take with you anyways, you know? And,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: and like, to me, there is no, there's not really
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: much of a decision to be made. Like I've chosen
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: the path and you just kind of, you got to
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: stick with it. Otherwise you're just weak. I mean, could
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: you imagine, like, could you imagine going to judgment day
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: and they're like, Dude, you're a bitch.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: Look at that. You had a decision right there in
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: front of you and you took the bitch road. Well, thanks.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: Well, what happened to me was during, like, because I
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: was always sort of afraid of that same thing, right?
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: Where I'm like, if I am outward about Christianity, what
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: if I lose all my gigs? What if I, and
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: then I, this path that I've chosen to go down,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: now I can't do it. And then COVID came and
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: I lost all my gigs. Yes. And I just felt
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: like it was like God saying to me, you can
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: lose all your gigs anytime. He's like, I can take
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: everything away from you immediately. And I'm the one that gives.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: I'm the one that takes away. And you're worried. And
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: I just keep thinking, if I believe that I serve
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: the creator of everything, and yet I'm afraid of the
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: world that he created, then I don't know. I just
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: feel like I got to like be in there. But I,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: you know, I also want to do it in a
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: way that like, you know, you don't, you know, I
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: don't want to like run away people. You know, I
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: don't want to run people off and which is what
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: people think I'm doing with the commandments, right? They like,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: now I'm at odds with a lot of Christians. Not
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: only am I at odds with non-Christians, but also with
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: Christians because I'm saying that we should do Christianity a
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: different way, which is also following the Old Testament. But
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  Speaker 2: to me, it is the better way because I'm like,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: it gives you a structure. It's easy. It shows you
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: what to do. You go, oh, I just read this
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: and then I just do, this is what God's asking
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: me to do. I just do this. You know, but
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: also follow Jesus. I mean, it's like, It's not, they go,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: you can't have works to get into heaven. I go, well,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to get into heaven this way. Jesus
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: is how I'm getting into heaven. But now that I
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: have that, how do I live on earth? And I
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: think the law is how you live on earth. That's
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: not how you get to heaven. That's how we should
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: be living on earth, which, you know, it's like the
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: greatest commandment, Jesus says, is love God, you know, with
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: all your heart, mind, soul. body and soul. I always misquoted.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: I think I add one too many things, but, and
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: that's what the commandments are. That's how you love God.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: And then the next is love your neighbor as yourself,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: which is, you know, that's, you know, that's how we
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: treat everyone else, which also, if we are following the commandments,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: then we're also loving our neighbors. Well, and, and, and,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: you know, and it's like there, there is a scary
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: verse where, you know, it says, uh, This is Jesus talking.
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  Speaker 2: Many people will say to me that in that day, Lord, Lord,
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  Speaker 2: and I will say, depart from me. I never knew you,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: ye that work iniquity. And iniquity translates, many translations, but
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: translates to lawlessness or those who lived as though there
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: is no law. And I just, it's a scary verse
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: to me where I go, Now that I have the
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: information I have, I can't just go. And then if
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: I read Paul, I just got to think I'm misunderstanding
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: what Paul's saying because Paul can't be saying you don't
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: have to follow what God said. Or, you know, like,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: where is he getting it from? That's my question for
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: people always. You know? And that's what I think. The
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: Bible should be a journey and we should all be
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: having these sorts of conversations. where we're debating over what
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: the Bible says in an order to serve God better,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: not in a way to serve him less, you know,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: and it'd be constructive. And, but I, I find that,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: you know, people will get upset with me. They show
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: me a verse and that verse is supposed to make
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: me go, Oh, you're right. Yeah. Rather than dive deeper.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. We get a lot of that too.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: We get a lot of judgments.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know, the Bible, you know, people also
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: say that the Bible says that we shouldn't judge. And
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: it says we should have righteous judgment where we, we
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: judge our brothers and sisters and in Jesus by using
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: the Bible. And we say, Hey, this is what it
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: says we should do. And I shouldn't pass judgment and go,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: you're wrong. You're bad, but go, Hey, this is what
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: the Bible says. This is how we should be doing it.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: And then we, you know, This utopia that I think
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: we all would like to live in would be, in
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: my belief, if we all, you know, just, you know,
• 1:26:59
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  Speaker 1: so we were just chatting about Christianity, Old Testament, the law.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: You brought up gossip. Dude, that's a hard one.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: I'm working on that one right now, too.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: It's so hard because I think about it in so
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: many different ways, even like uh like i think we
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: think about sometimes like celebrities or even politicians that we
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: say that we don't like it's like it's still uh
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: and you know and we could talk about them and
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: it's like it's still like you're you're bad mouthing people
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: and you're and you're like gossiping about them and i
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: just think it's weird like i found myself i was
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: watching this youtube channel this weekend and it was talking
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: about some other comics and uh you know really kind
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: of trashing some other comics and You know, I was
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: just watching it and I go, is that good? Am
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: I like, even if I disagree with him, am I
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: still participating in the gossip of this YouTube channel? And
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: it's like, and that, that to me, that goes back to, uh,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: you know, loving your neighbor. Are you, are you loving
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: your neighbor? If you're just trash talking them, like, cause
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: I often say this, this is, and I feel like
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: this is covering me. I go, I'm not, I'm not
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: trying to trash talk them. But then I'll say some
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: things and I go, but am I trash talking them?
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: Is it gossip if you just say true things about
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: someone that you think are negative? And I don't know.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's not good.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I don't know about the
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: politician stuff. I mean, that is– I mean, you're under–
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, because also, don't you think it might be
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: maybe not– good if you say nothing when bad is
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: you know wrong is being.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: Well that's true too that's true and that's why it's.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: Like they're making decisions that are affecting not only you
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: know us as u.s citizens but the entire world yeah
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: so that i i mean me personally i feel like
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: you know sometimes maybe you have a responsibility to say something.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: And maybe that is righteous judgment You know, but I just,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: you know, and all of these things, I always think
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: about just my own self, right? Like when I have
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: these thoughts where I go about this or that, I go,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking about what I should do for my own self.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like, because, you know, I don't know.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: I don't always have the answers.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, I'm just curious, your thought process.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, talking, you know, gossip about a whatever, insert.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: public figure, celebrity, comedian, musician, whatever, you know, that's, is that,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: is that, I mean, they're not making decisions that are
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: going to affect your life and your kid's life and
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: your kid's kid's kid's life.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And so, yeah, that's, that
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: just seems, you know, Oh, look at so-and-so they look like,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: you know, look at her. She looks fat on the beach.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Or, or here she is
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: without her makeup or so-and-so had, You know, an affair, whatever,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: I think that's one thing. But then for a politician,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, who is, I mean, it's
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: going to affect our kids, kids, kids.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: You know, these decisions that are made in a lot
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: of the decisions, it's a lot of selfishness up there.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: And I think, yeah, critiquing someone would be different than
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: me making the joke that Joe Biden walks like one
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: of Elon Musk robots, you know. And that's funny. Mm-hmm.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: To me, hilarious to me. When you see a side
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: by side of the two of them walking on the
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: beach and you go, they do walk the same. But
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: is that gossip? And we're not talking about a decision
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: that he's making that would be bad for me, you know?
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: And that's what I think. I mean, I grew up
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: with trash talk. I mean, you know, my, I had,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: you know, I had an overweight uncle and he would
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: come to the house and my dad would always go,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: that poor truck, you know, that he was driving, you know,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: he would, or he would see a, a larger person
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: sitting on a swing and he go, man, they really
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: testing that swing, you know? And it's funny, but that's bad, right?
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's gossip. That's maybe not gossip, but you know,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: you're trash talking people.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I guess I always thought of
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: gossip as, I mean, I don't know. Is it good? No.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: A little humor. I don't think I ever heard anybody behind, but.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: But maybe the gossip, like.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: The gossip to me is more like, rumors spreading rumors you.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: Know and I hope you're right because I'll be I'm
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: not saying I'm right I'll be a lot more in
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: the clear because I'm not spreading rumors but man especially
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: as a comedian it's really hard to not make fun
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: of people in certain situations because that's what I like
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: to do you know I like to make jokes.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah How did you get into– I mean, what
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: sent you down the path of reading the law in Leviticus?
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, was it a certain denomination? Did somebody push
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: you towards it?
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: It was just a website that I found, and this
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: lady had a bunch of blogs, and I just started
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: reading them. And as I was reading them, I go, wow,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: this really makes sense to me. Like people will use
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: Acts 10, for example, Acts is a Peter on the
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: rooftop story. And they'll use that to say why food
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: is clean now. This is food is clean now because
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: they say Peter was on the rooftop. He was praying
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: and he heard God and God sent down a sheet.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: And on the sheet was all kinds of animals, clean,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: unclean animals, all kinds of things. And God says, Peter, rise,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: kill and eat. And Peter says, not so Lord, for
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: I have never eaten anything common or unclean. And God says,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: do not call unclean what I have made clean, right?
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: And then the, and he does that three times and
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: then the sheet goes back up. And so everybody says, well,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: that's God saying food is clean. But Peter says that
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: he was very confused about the vision, that it didn't
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: make sense to him what that vision was. And throughout
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: the verse goes on, the chapter goes on and he,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: He still, many times it references how he's still thinking
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: about that vision. And later, a guy named Cornelius came
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: to him. Cornelius was a Gentile, and it would be
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: unlawful for Peter, being a Jewish guy, to meet with
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: this Gentile. And after talking with him for some time,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: he says that, I now understand what that vision means,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: and that he's saying that God has declared this Cornelius
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: to be clean and that I, that I should not
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: be considering other human beings unclean. And he, he, uh, just,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: you know, he, he details what the vision is. He
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: interprets that vision for us and that it's, if those
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: people are believers in Jesus and in God, and there,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: he says he was a righteous man that we should
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: not call them common or unclean. And if it went
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: on to say, and then they killed a pig and
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: ate it, then we would go, okay, well, I guess
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: it means that too. But they never do. There's never
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: a time when they're talking about eating pork. Jesus' only
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: interaction with pigs is when he sends a demon into
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: a herd of pigs and runs them off a cliff.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: And listen, you know, I know people own barbecue restaurants
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: and pig farms and this kind of information, if it
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: caught on, would be devastating to their farms and restaurants.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: But it is just what I believe as a Christian.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: Is your wife all on board with this?
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: My wife doesn't, you know, and I don't force her to,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: but I don't know that she always, you know, because she,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: you know, if you read mainstream Christianity or talk to
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: almost any preacher, they're going to disagree with me. So it,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: you really have to, but I'm convinced I I've read
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: the Bible. I've prayed about it many times. I've prayed
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: earnestly and humbly that if I'm wrong about this, I
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: pray that I would be shown that I'm wrong because it,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: it doesn't do anything for me, uh, career wise or, uh, friend-wise.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: It doesn't gain me anything to believe this. So if God,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, I'm like, show me that I'm wrong.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: And then I can just go back to, you know,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: being a normal Christian with everybody else. But, uh, you know,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: so far it's, I don't know, just nothing is really
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: hit me in a way where I go, nah, this is,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: this is it.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: What's the blog?
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: For everybody else?
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: That you were talking about that got you into this.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: I'm just curious.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: You said it was- Oh, well, I don't even know
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: if it exists anymore. It was a lady named Maria Marola.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: And I never like to reveal sources because, you know,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: Maria Marola may believe other things that I don't believe, right?
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: You know, so it's like, I just know that some
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: of the things that she said made me think in
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: a way that I go, well, let me- let me
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: do some of this reading for myself and be a
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: little more open-minded about it. Because I know there were
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: things later that I disagreed with her on. And I
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: don't know that there's anyone that I agree with everything
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: they say. And I believe that, you know, even in
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: the Bible, God uses, you know, quote unquote, bad people
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: to do his will, you know? So it's like, you know,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: if I were to say like, even like, let's take
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: Moses and it's like, you know, what do you agree
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: with everything that Moses does? Well, I go, well, not
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: when he killed that guy. I don't agree with him
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: killing the guy, you know? And, you know, even King David, who's,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: you know, he, King David, you know, lusted after a
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: woman and then took her as his wife. And then
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: to cover for what he had done, he sent her
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: husband to the front lines of of the army to
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: have him be killed. Uh, you know, I don't agree
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: with that, but you know, I, I think, you know,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: David was, uh, used for God's purposes. And I think,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: you know, he wrote Psalms and he's, you know, he,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: he had a, I think overall had a good heart,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: but you know, had some flaws like everyone.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: Interesting stuff.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: And I, you know, And I have my own flaws
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: and I don't want anyone to look at me and go,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: I want to live like that guy. I want them
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: to look at Jesus and live like him and then
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: be better than me. I feel like sometimes there's a
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: thing with kids where I've seen people in my own
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: life that I feel like they don't want their kids
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: to be better than them. Almost like it would hurt them.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what I want for my kids. I want
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: my kids to be better than me. I want my
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: kids to be way better than me. I want them
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: to take what I've done and go, all right, my
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: dad has given me this opportunity and now I'm gonna
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: take that to the next level. I'm gonna be better
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: than my dad. And I don't mean they have to
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: trash me, but you know, be better than me.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. How do you, you know, we were kind
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: of chatting about this before we started here. You know,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: how do you handle being a dad and a husband
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: On the road, the majority of the weekends throughout the year.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I try to minimize my travel as
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: much as I can, right? I go for the most part.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: Now I'm in a sort of a busy season right now.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: I got, you know, the book is coming out and then,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: you know, I'll have to, you know, I'll be doing
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: podcasts to promote the book. And then I was saying
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: I have to go record the audio portion of my
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: book next week, which will take some time. But for
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: the most part, what I try to do is I
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: do theater gigs now. And so I try to do
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: Friday and Saturday in a theater and then go home.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: So typically I try to fly out on Friday, gone
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: for two nights back home. It doesn't always work out
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: that way. You know, I do corporates and stuff like
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: that where, you know, like this week I'm, I'm all,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: I have a corporate and then I got gigs on
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: the weekends. And, but, uh, you know, then I do
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: two podcasts a week on my own every week, but I, I,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: My justification is like, well, if I had a regular job,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: I was a regular nine to fiver. Every day I
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: would leave the house at, you know, 8 a.m. And
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: then I'd get home at five or six if I
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: was lucky. And then I'd be gone 40 or 50
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: hours a week. But I would be home every night
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: with my kids. But I would be gone all the
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: time during the day. This way, I'm like, when I'm gone,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: I'm gone. But when I'm home, I'm home. You know,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: so when I'm home. I have, you know, three or
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: four days to spend with my kids. And then I'll
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: be gone for two or three days, but then I'm
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: home for, you know, three or four days where we
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: have full days.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: Where your kids go to school?
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: My kids, my kids are, my daughter is just five.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: So she's the only one. And right now we've made
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: the decision to homeschool for kindergarten. We don't know what
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: we'll do after that. I feel like kindergarten is pretty easy.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: And we already, I mean, my daughter's already, I don't
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: want to say she's reading, but you can read a
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: little book with her and she can do most of
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: the reading. She has to carefully sound out the words,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: but she can do it. And then she's doing math
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: and she can draw a lot of, I think she
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: can draw all the letters, but she can write some words.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: And so I feel good about what we're doing. And
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: then we also go to a co-op once a week
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: where she does meet with other kids. And then we've
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: been going to a church on Wednesday nights. just to
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: be around other kids and stuff.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: Right on.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: I was just curious, you know, if they go to,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: if they do a traditional go to school, we're dabbling
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: back and forth with both of those two homeschool traditional,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: but I don't know. It's just something I think about
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: all the time is, is, is when is, when is
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: enough enough? And I mean, do you ever think what's
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: your perfect, like if money wasn't an issue at all,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: not like, wasn't even a thing, what your life would
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: look like, what would you want it to be?
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: Well, it's hard.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: Mid-mill at the cabin?
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard because I think that we're like supposed
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: to work, right? I feel like, I understand retirement. If
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: you've had a really hard job your whole life and
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: at the end you go, I just want some years
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: to enjoy myself. But I do think that we're supposed
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: to work. I think it's good for us. I think
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: it gives us, whether that work be like my wife
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily have a job, but I most certainly think
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: what she does at home is work. You know, she
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: maintains our house. She educates our kids. So I definitely
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: think that it's work, but yeah, I mean, I'd love to,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: I'd love to, uh, like I got into this whole, uh, um,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: what they call a food forest or, um, now I
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: can't think of the actual kind of word they use
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: for it. It'll A plot of land where you basically
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: build a forest, but everything that's growing is food bearing
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: in some way. Where you might start with a, you know,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: maybe you start with oak trees so they have their
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: acorns or maybe even a black walnut tree or something.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not an expert. I know black walnut trees can
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: send roots out that kill other things. But let's say
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: a nut tree that grows big. That's your top canopy.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: And then you have fruit trees, which will be smaller trees.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: And then you have bushes like our blueberry bushes. And
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: then you get down to the bottom and you have
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: a ground cover, which could be strawberries or thyme or
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: things like that. So you've created this whole ecosystem that's
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: all food bearing. So you could just walk through there
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: and pick food. And the idea would be that it
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: never needs fertilizer and it never needs pesticides because as
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: fruit drops and decomposes into the ground, it's acting as
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: a fertilizer. And as you prune it, You also just
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: drop those. The leaves will fertilize it. And then different things,
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: different herbs work as insecticides. So, you know, like if
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: you plant, supposedly, I've never made it work yet, but
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: supposedly if you plant rosemary or oregano or thyme or basil,
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: it sends off kind of smells and scents that insects
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: don't like. So they won't, you know, attack your trees.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: So I would love... There's a guy I watch sometimes
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: on YouTube called Andrew Millicent and he's out of Oregon
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: State and he's like doing all this stuff with water.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: He's been going to or at least documenting things in
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: India and Africa they're doing where they're using swales as
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: ways to trap the rainwater as it comes down because
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: a lot of these desert climates have long dry seasons
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: and then when the water comes, it comes rapidly. And
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: so when it's already a desert, it just goes away.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: But if they have little different pockets of swales to
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: block them in, then they can sink into the soil
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: and then plants can grow. And they're like bringing back
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: Greenland into the desert.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: And I mean, I'd love the free time to just
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: buy some land in Phoenix and just see if I
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: could do it. You know, just get an excavator and
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: get out there and dig up some holes and see
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: if I could turn some barren land into something.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: That would be cool.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: But now in McMinnville, I have no time to go
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: prune my trees. I had an apricot, I had an
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: avocado tree that I've been growing for years that I
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: would just, in the wintertime, I bring it inside. In
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: the summertime, I put it out. And then I was
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: gone for a stretch and I got real hot, got
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: real dry. And because we had had so much rain,
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: I never thought about watering it while I was gone
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: because we had so much rain. And then, you know,
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: my wife's not into plants the way that I am
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: and doesn't really seem to have an eye for a
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: plant that's dying. And so while I was gone, it
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: really dried up. I don't think it's dead, but it
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: looks bad.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: Do you have a greenhouse?
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: I don't have a greenhouse. I had a kind of
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: a makeshift one, but we have this wind and Nashville
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: and it tore it up.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's something I would like to get into.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: I just, I don't have the time right now either.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know, even, you know, like you say,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: if money's no object, you know, I just hire some, uh,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: you know, a maintenance guy for the garden and he
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: just comes in and watches over it. That's what I'd
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: like to do. I mean, I had guys come build
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: these swales in McMinnville and, and trees I planted, uh,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: Two years before that are just on a slope because
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: it's all red clay, right? So when it gets dry,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: it gets real hard. So the rain comes in, just
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: runs right down. But if you have the swale, it
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: gets caught and then it sinks down in. So the
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: trees that are two years younger on the swales have
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: trunks like this, whereas the trees that are older on
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: the slope have still tiny trunks because they're not getting
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: the water that they need. And I'm not out there
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: able to do it.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, so it works. If I just had
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: more time to invest into this project, and I think
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: I will have that time at some point. I just
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: got to get there. I got to get one of
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: my kids into this. Interesting. And then we'll be on.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: You are into it.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: Right on, man. What about animals? Do you raise any animals?
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: I don't have any animals. I'm not a big pet guy.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: No chickens?
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: See, I'd love chickens. I'd love to get chickens, sheep.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: I'd love a cow. I mean, I got three acres.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: I can't talk my wife into letting us turn our
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: yard into a pasture, which is understandable. But I'd love
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: a cow or even some sheep. They say chickens are
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: the first. Chickens are the gateway animal to the homestead. But,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: you know, my baby is five months old right now.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, let's let the baby get older. And
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: then I'll bring.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: In some chickens. Right on, man. Right on.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm into oak trees. I mean, oak
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: trees take 50 years to get to any size, right?
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: But I feel like we just bulldoze the oak trees
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: all the time. So I go, if I don't plant
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: the oak trees, will my kids or my kids' kids
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: even have any oak trees to look at? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: We got some awesome oaks out here.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: Oaks are the best. I saw some oaks coming in.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: They're the best. I love an oak tree.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: So let's go back to South Carolina. So you moved
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: to South Carolina and that's.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: Kind of where the comedy started taking off. Yeah, I
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: moved there about 2003 with one of my childhood best
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: friends and we had a falling out almost right away.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: We had never done anything like this. Both of us
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: were broke. I was especially broke. I had a little
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: money to move there, but I was working at Office Depot.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: I was making $ 7. 25 an hour, I think. And my
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: rent went way up moving to Charleston. So I didn't
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: have any friends. Me and my friend were fighting a
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: lot because his girlfriend moved up with him and I
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: didn't have any friends. So I saw in a newspaper,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: the Charleston City paper, there's an advertisement for improv classes,
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: comedy improv classes. And I'd only seen like whose line
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: is it anyway. But I thought, well, that seems fun.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: I'll do that. So I took that class and then
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: I started to meet people. And I ended up, me
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: and my roommate, we split and I moved in with
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: one of the guys that I met at improv classes.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: And then from improv, I met some other people and
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: they were like, you should try stand up. And we
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: didn't have a club, but we had some stuff going
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: on in town. So I did stand up and I
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: liked it pretty well. But so I did that. from
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: like end of 2003 to like 2005. But then I
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: moved to Folly Beach and I was just drinking and
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: I was having a good time. And I bombed a
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: couple of times at comedy and I was like, I
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: don't like the way that makes me feel. And I'm
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: having a great time just hanging on the beach. So
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: for the next three years, I just partied and I
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: sold pesticides and waited tables and drank on the beach.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: And then in 2008, the same friend came back to
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: me and said, hey, I'm doing this show now at
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: Theater 99, which is where I took the improv classes,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: where I would pursue comedy all the way, which I
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: just this past Thursday was able to do stand up
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: there because the building has been sold and they're closing
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: that theater. So I got to do a real end
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: of an era type show.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: But in 2008, I went back and I did this
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: Letters of the Alphabet bit, which I have a YouTube.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: I now have an animated version of that on YouTube
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: where I just kind of gave a few letters of
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: the alphabet, some human characteristics. It's my most creative, weirdest
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: bit that I never want to do live again because
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: it's complicated. But I did it and I did it
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: sober on stage. And it just felt so good that
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm ready to do this. I'm ready
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: to do stand-up. And then so for the next four years,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: I would do stand-up in Charleston as a hobby, drinking.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: I did it sober that one time and I go,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: that felt good. And then I would start drinking while
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: I was doing it. But so for the next four years,
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: I would just be doing comedy in this way, drinking, partying,
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: hanging out with my buddies and doing comedy. But I
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: loved it. I was good at it. And then by
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: the end of 2011 is when I would win that.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: comedy competition. And then in 2012, I quit drinking and
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: I spent the next two years in Charleston sober doing comedy.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: And by the end of 2012, I entered that same
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: comedy competition. And I think somebody told me in 2011,
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: I won by two votes. And in 2012, after a
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: year of being sober doing comedy, I won by like
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: a landslide. Like there was no one even close to me. Wow.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: Because I just got focused and I got really honed in.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: And I also, you know, I didn't have anything to do. I,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: I didn't have a real job. I was waiting tables
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: three days a week and I was just going to
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: coffee shops, writing jokes.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: Have you ever, have you ever just had a total bomb?
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: How could, what was the worst one?
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: Well, this, this one particular gig I did in, uh,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know. There's varying degrees of bombs. There's like
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: a bomb where you're like, the circumstances were all bad
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: for this. It was all wrong. This should never have
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: been set up this way. And then there's a bomb
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: where people are in their seats at a comedy club
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: looking straight at you and you go, I just bombed here.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: I opened for Aerie Spears in Richmond, Virginia at the
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: Funny Bone and I had opened for Aerie Spears before,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: but we were doing traditional host feature headliner, and I
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: was the feature. So a host went up. This was
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: in Kansas City. A host went up, did 10 minutes,
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: and then I go up to do my 20 or 30.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: And in Kansas City, it was like I was blowing
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: up the room. I mean, it's like people were laughing.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 2: It was a great set. So I'm excited to work
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: with Aries again, but this time in Richmond, it's a
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: two-man show, which means it's just a feature and the headliner.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: So I have to go up to a cold audience
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: and I go up for 20 minutes and I just
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: eat it. And a guy, somebody in the audience makes
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: a weird noise and I go, oh, someone's dying out there.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: And this guy goes, no, you're dying up there. And
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: I just, I was like, when I left that show,
• 1:57:13
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• 1:58:54
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  Speaker 2: It's all about the more experience you have, the more
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  Speaker 2: situations you put yourself in. Back in Charleston, I would
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  Speaker 2: ask my buddies in bands if I could open for them.
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  Speaker 2: And the first time you do it, you go, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's awful. I never want to do that again. But
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: it makes you a little stronger. As long as you
• 2:02:43
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• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: and it makes you a little stronger. if you're only
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  Speaker 2: doing the bad gigs, I don't think that's making you stronger.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's ruining your confidence. Like I do corporates
• 2:03:01
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  Speaker 1: What is a corporate?
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  Speaker 2: A corporate's like where a company hires me just to
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: come in and do comedy for their, for their employees.
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  Speaker 2: And sometimes they're amazing. Like I did a boot barn.
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  Speaker 2: I did a corporate in Vegas for boot barn. It
• 2:03:16
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• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: for the Oklahoma Department of Transportation, and it was okay.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: I would say none of them are bad, but there
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 2: are some that are like, it's okay. Because the difference is,
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: if I do a theater show, it's a thousand or
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: more people that have bought tickets to see me do comedy.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: They like my jokes. They're there to see me. If
• 2:03:44
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• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: of that department is a huge fan of me. And then,
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: you know, the rest of the employees. And you hope
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: that there are some of them that are fans. And
• 2:04:00
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  Speaker 2: I'm at work. I don't want to be here. And
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  Speaker 2: And all I want to do is go back to
• 2:04:16
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• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: But I do some in Nashville here sometimes where it's
• 2:04:21
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• 2:04:25
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  Speaker 1: Right on, Ben.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: Where do you find your inspiration from?
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: I think it's just, you know, it's just being in
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: the world. It's like just living a normal life. And,
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like, you know, going to the grocery store,
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: having weird customer service interactions. And, you know, I try
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: to not. do family jokes because I feel like what happens,
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: and it will happen to me inevitably probably, but I
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: feel like what happens is a comic starts making jokes
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: about their family and then they, it's like they get
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: locked into, now this is either their fans start to
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: come to expect it and they're like, my fans love
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: it because all my fans have families and it becomes
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: your wheelhouse or you're just like, this is all I
• 2:05:11
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• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: from it as long as I can And then I
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: also don't want to make jokes about my kids. I
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: feel like, you know, there is a couple of jokes
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: I've made here and there about my kids, but I
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: don't want to lock it into my set where I'm like,
• 2:05:28
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• 2:05:30
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• 2:05:32
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. How do you handle all the success?
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, my, my success.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: Fame, like all of that. How do you handle that stuff?
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: The, what was the second part?
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: Fame, like, I mean, all the stuff you have going on.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: The interesting thing is I don't think of myself as famous,
• 2:06:07
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• 2:06:09
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• 2:06:13
  Speaker 2: this is how I describe it to people. I grew up,
• 2:06:15
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• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: I was, I was always a funny guy and I
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: had a lot of parties. So it was pretty well
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: known around town. So I could go around town and
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: people would always say, Hey to me. And then I
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: moved to Charleston and I I'm doing comedy there and
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: I went in local competitions. And so I started to
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: be well known in that town for doing comedy. And
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 2: so I'm like, now I'm just, uh, uh, I'm that
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: same guy just on a larger level. So it feels
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: good in the way that I, you know, I think
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: if you're like a, uh, I don't know, maybe a
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: super attractive dude or probably more an attractive woman, it's
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: different for you. Uh, but for me, it's like, it's
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: like people just want to be my friend. You know,
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: they're just like, Hey, we're having a good time. And
• 2:07:02
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• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: just cool and normal. Yeah. We're not, uh, people, you know,
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: they want to have cigars with me and talk conspiracies. And, uh,
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: and I think that's fun.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: You're into conspiracies.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I, I, I'm very entertained by conspiracies.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: I think it's really fun.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: Uh, you heard any good ones lately?
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, there's plenty of good ones. Uh,
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's plenty of good ones. Uh, you know,
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, I, you know, I talk about moon landing
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: stuff a lot and I, uh, you know, but you know.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: I think we landed on the moon.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 2: Well, I feel like you probably have a viewing audience
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: that probably has a lot of people that is into
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: the moon landing. So if I say I don't believe
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 2: we landed on the moon, I feel like I'm really
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: opening myself up. But I do have questions about it.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: You know, you know, it's just like when you watch
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: moon landing footage.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: I did a poll once on exit. It was like
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: 90 something percent of the people thought we did not
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: land on the moon.
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, good. Because like, I have some questions about it, right?
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: Like the moon landing footage that we all see and
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 2: accept as the ships coming down, like we're seeing it. Like,
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: who's that? Who's filming that? And then when it takes off,
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: someone's filming. Did we leave a guy up there? And
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: then apparently, didn't they call Richard Nixon from the moon
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: on a landline? What? I think there's a thing where
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 2: he's like, they're like, hey, we're on the moon. I
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: think that's crazy. I mean, like how, you know, and
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: I realize there's always an explanation.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: And none of the shadows line up.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: There's that.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, there are people whose life depends on defending
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: that we landed on the moon. So I understand.
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  Speaker 1: Have you looked into this? You've looked into it.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: As best I can.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: Have you seen the Y-Files episode on it?
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, I have seen the Y-Files.
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's pretty good. It's pretty good.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: And I'm just like.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: It's really good.
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 2: I just think that we should question everything. As a people,
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: just in general, we should always be asking questions.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know. People get so offended when you bring
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: it up.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: It's interesting.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: Well, I think for some people it's, you know, it's
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: a core childhood memory. You're like alive at the time
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: when we landed on the moon and you're like, this
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: is amazing. And then, you know, youngsters are coming along going,
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: I don't think we did that. And you're like, this
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: makes me mad. But I think. we should question it.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: Who do they think, who do they think did it,
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: filmed it? Is it Stanley Kubrick?
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. And I guess there's like footage
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: of him, like with all the moon landing people, all
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: the people that landed on the moon.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: Are you serious?
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: And I think there's like in the movie, the shining,
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: like the kid is wearing like a NASA sweater. And,
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: and does that mean anything by itself? Of course not.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: But I, you know, and there's also the footage of the,
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: The astronauts that landed on the moon that they've contrasted
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: with like the opening of the first Apple computer or
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: the first iPhone or something. And it's like when they
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 2: show them with the first Apple computer, they're dancing around.
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: They're all excited. And then the moon landing guy, the guy,
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: the astronauts that landed on the moon look like they're
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: at a funeral. Basically, they're very sad looking.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know about this one.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 2: But if you see that press conference of them answering
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: questions after landing on the moon, they seem very sad.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 2: And if you're the first guys ever on the moon,
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 2: you're not excited. You're not like, let me show you
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: what I saw. And maybe they were just serious people.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: I just– I mean, it also would be one thing
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: to me if like we landed on the moon and
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: then they couldn't get off or, you know, because you
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: see the thing that we have, the whole system that
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: we have for launching it. But then from the moon,
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: we're like, oh, we got it. First try. We got it.
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: We don't have the landing. We don't have the platform.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, man. Yeah.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't know. I mean, I wasn't there.
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: I'm not calling people. uh, them liars necessarily, but I'm like,
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I just don't believe it. And, you know,
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: who am I? I'm just a guy who's inhaled a
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: lot of pesticides probably, but I, yeah, I, you know,
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know. It looks crazy to me.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: It does. It does. It does. I mean, we, we've
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: talked about it several times on here. I think it's
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: a fascinating subject. There was a space race going on
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: between us and Russia. You know, there's just, I, I
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: haven't thought about it in quite a while. I used
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: to know all the things, but yeah, it's, uh, I mean,
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 1: just the fact that nobody's been, we haven't gone back.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: Right. Right. And like, even now, when did we land?
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: Was it 68?
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a V yeah.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: We haven't gone back. And they say like, we haven't
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 1: gone back because we lost the technology. Like you, you
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: lost the tech word.
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: Did you like, did, What do you mean you lost it?
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: Did your dog eat it? What does that mean?
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: You lost the technology?
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: He says, I'd go back in a nanosecond. But we can't.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: We lost the technology.
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: Can't do it. We lost the technology. Haven't been able
• 2:12:44
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• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: they were going to go back and they canceled the mission.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 1: I know. That was this year, right?
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And there's a one footage, you know, when Elon
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: Musk launched the car into space, you know, he goes,
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: he says, you know, it's real because it looks so fake.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: And I go, what? Well, that makes sense to people
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: because they go, our CGI is so good. And I go, nah,
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Don't tell me it looks real because
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: it looks fake.
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 1: And you know, do you think we've been to space?
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, they always talk about this
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: Van Allen radiation belt that they say we can't get
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 2: through that. It's like, it's so hard. And, I don't know.
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: I just have a hard time with so much of
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 2: that stuff.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: Do you think the world is round?
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm not allowed to talk. My wife says I'm
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 2: not allowed to talk about these things. But I just
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 2: don't understand a lot of things. And people try, they
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 2: explain it, but when they explain it, they're always mad
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: at me when they're explaining it. But I just always
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 2: think about the oceans, right? I think about how, you know,
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: if it's a ball, there's water down here. And then,
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: you know, how's that held into place? It's not just
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: pouring off. And the explanation is gravity. And I understand that.
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 2: But I just don't understand how it's holding it in
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: so tight. But the fish swim freely. The feather floats freely.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 2: the butterflies flutter around and it just, it seems relatively selective.
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 2: Gravity does where it's like, you know, this stays, but
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: I have no problem lifting. It's not hard. I'm not,
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not straining to lift my arms and I just
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: have questions and I just, uh, I think it's okay
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: to question, but people are very upset about it.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: They get up, they get.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: And they call me stupid and that, how could I
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: be so stupid? And I go, Hey guys, I'm not
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: telling you how it is. I'm just asking.
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: That's all.
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: And they just think that their answer should always satisfy me.
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: And I go, I'm sorry. It just doesn't. The day
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 2: that we can recreate a ball that I just see
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 2: the water stay on is the day I'll go, all right,
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: you got me. And I just, the thing about it is, is,
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 2: is CGI to Elon Musk point. CGI is too good.
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 2: To where now I'll have a hard time believing any
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: footage because I go, I don't know. I want to
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: see the video of the camera on the shuttle that
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 2: launches and then I see it and then we go
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: out of the earth and then there's the earth and
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 2: then we go away from it. I mean, that's what
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: I want to say. And then as we leave earth,
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 2: it's whipping around and gone. And I don't know. It
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 2: just never seems like that's what we're seeing.
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: Does this line up with any scripture or anything you've read?
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 2: I'm just curious. Genesis 1 really describes the way the
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 2: earth looks, that there's a firmament that separates the waters
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: from the waters below, from the waters above. And the
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: sun and the moon and the stars are inside the firmament.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 2: And that's what it says. And again, I'm like, if
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: I believe the Bible, I should believe the creation account,
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 2: you know, and then, and then, you know, it's like
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: when the flood happens, it says the, the waters of
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: the gates of the heavens opened up and, and water
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: came from above, you know, and it wasn't just rain.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: The water came from below water came from above to
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: flood the earth. And I just go, you know, maybe, Maybe,
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: you know, everything I'm being told is real. But, you know,
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: there's a, I don't know. I just, I think maybe
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 2: it's not. I mean, you know, they use a verse
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: in Isaiah where they say the circle of the earth,
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 2: but a circle is not a ball, you know, a circle.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, I could draw a circle and that's not
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 2: a ball. I mean, this bottle cap from this view
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: is a circle, you know, it's not a, so I
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: So what do you think that means, though?
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: Well, if you're in heaven, if you're above and you're
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 2: looking down, I mean, it could just be a circle.
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: And I don't think it means that even that it
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: would be floating in space. It's just, you know, it's
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 2: like on the, you know, it's like who knows what
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: actually we're dealing with. but it could just be like,
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like this, and then we have a
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: circle that's on, and that's where we live, but this is,
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 2: you know, landmass, and maybe there is no bottom, you know,
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: and never, the depths never end.
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 1: What's on the outside of the circle?
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, the Bible often talks about
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 2: an outer darkness, right? where it describes a wailing and
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 2: gnashing of teeth, where it's like, and God is light,
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: so the darkness is the absence of God. So that's what,
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, I think hell would be like,
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 2: would be that God is no longer around. God is
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: our light. God is what's good. And everything the opposite
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: of God is darkness and bad. And without God, it's
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: just the outer darkness where it's, You know, there is
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: no protection from God.
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: What do you think the edges are of the earth?
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: Well, the only, you know, a lot of people say that,
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: you know, and these are all things people say. I
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: have no idea. But they would say that it would be,
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: you know, an ice wall, right? It would be because,
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 2: you know, the pattern of the sun would move more
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: like a clock as opposed to us moving around the sun.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: The sun would be local. And would be moving like
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: a clock around us. So that's why the center is cold.
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 2: And the outside is cold. Because the sun spends less
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 2: time there. And more time kind of in the middle.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: Like you would have the Tropic of Capricorn I think
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: is first. Then the equator. And then the Tropic of Cancer.
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 2: So it would move along those lines like a clock.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: But it spins. So when it's. I'm going to be.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: My wife is going to be mad at me about this.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: And this is all hypothetical. That's right. I'm not saying
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: I believe it. This is what I've looked at. That
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 2: the sun, if it's on the equator, it's now like,
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 2: let's say it's fall on the Tropic of Cancer and
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 2: then spring on the Tropic of Capricorn. So then it
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: moves on to that. And then that's why the hottest
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: parts of the world, it's never really wintertime. it's always
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 2: warm because the sun is never two lines away from them.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: This is better demonstrated if you can visually see it,
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: but where, you know, you actually have winter and one point,
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: and then it would, it would explain why say in Alaska,
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: you have these times of where there's always sunlight, because,
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: you know, that would be, I guess it'd be summer
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: where the sun is just, you know, moving around a
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 2: small circle and it's for us, it would be fall or, or,
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: or spring, depending on if it's coming or going. And then,
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: and then when it's on the outer line, it would
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: be days of complete darkness. Wow. And I, you know,
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: I'm no scientist, but I, you know, I'm just a
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 2: guy who has spent, uh, have a, I used to
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 2: have lots of free time. I used to be unmarried
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: on the road in hotels, watching videos, listening to podcasts.
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 1: Well, then what do you think about aliens? Curious about that.
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: I think aliens are likely spiritual beings.
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 1: That's what I think.
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 2: And, you know, probably not coming from space, but coming
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 2: from another realm.
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: That's what I think.
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that, you know, the Bible, it talks about
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: any time... people encounter angels, even good angels coming to help.
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 2: They're scared of them and they bow before them because
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: they're afraid of them. And some of them in Ezekiel,
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: some of the heavenly beings that are described would be
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: pretty scary for us to say. But then aliens, I mean,
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 2: maybe they're, you know, fallen angels. And some people think
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 2: ghosts are say the, like, you know, then you get
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 2: into the Nephilim where you have, the fallen angels who
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: have mated with the human women, as it talks about
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 2: in Genesis six. So they're not necessarily God created. So
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 2: when they die, their soul has nowhere to go. So
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 2: they wander the earth.
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: Interesting. If you do have any, do you have any
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 1: ghost encounters, paranormal? Have you ever run into any of that?
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I've had some kind of like sleep paralysis dreams
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 2: a couple of times where I feel like I can't move.
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 2: And I, oh, you know, and I've, I've heard that
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 2: if people are abducted by aliens, and this is an
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 2: account that many people have talked about. They say if
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: they're abducted by aliens and they say Jesus, the encounter
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: is over. So every time I have this kind of
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 2: sleep paralysis dream, which I've had several times, I feel
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: like I can't move and I feel like I'm trying
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 2: to say things. And then I'm always trying to say
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 2: Jesus because even in that dream, I know that If
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 2: I say that it ends and I, when I finally
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 2: get it out, it doesn't. And I, but I've had
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 2: the weirdest thing that I had. I lived in an
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 2: old house. This was the house I was living in
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 2: when I started comedy in Nashville. It was built in
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 2: the 1800s. And my, I was, I was, I was
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 2: in a downstairs room by this point. My wife had
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 2: moved in. We were still dating, but we were in
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: bed together. And these doors were, The rooms were real
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 2: echoey and all the doors would kind of make a
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 2: clicking sound when you opened it. And I was in
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 2: bed and I kind of heard the clicking sound. And
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 2: in my mind, I was totally chill. I was like, oh,
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 2: my roommates come to tell me something. But my roommates
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 2: never would come into my room at night and tell
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 2: me something. But I look up and there's like a
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 2: shadowy figure at the foot of the bed. And I
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 2: kind of like move back and then it's gone and
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 2: it's over. And it was terrifying. But I almost, in
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 2: such a weird kind of dream state, just dismiss it
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 2: and then think about it later. Now, I told that
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 2: on the Blurry Creatures podcast. And my old roommate says
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 2: his girlfriend had a couple of weird experiences in the
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: house like that, where she thought she saw a shadowy
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 2: figure in the living room. And so much so that
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 2: she thought it was a person that she asked if
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 2: they needed help. Weird stuff.
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 1: She asked if it needed help?
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I forget exactly what it was, but she almost
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: described it.
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 1: You were on the Blurry Creatures pod? They're local.
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 2: They're around here too, aren't they? They're around here, yeah.
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: And it was, you know, after that, he said, he
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 2: texted me and he goes, was that at, we call
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: it the, well, the Annex House. It was over in
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: West Nashville, Annex Court. And it was big, big old
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: white house and That was the only thing I ever
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 2: had in there. But he said that happened a couple
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 2: of times with her.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: I've had shit happen. Yeah. Oh yeah. We had this
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 1: one thing. I've told it on her a couple of times, but, um,
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 1: in college Grove, there's a, like an old civil war
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 1: era cabin, but it's actually been moved there. You know,
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 1: you know, like deconstruct these and people will buy them
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 1: and then you reconstruct them.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 1: And, um, So me and my wife stayed there a
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 1: couple of times. Actually, the first time we stayed there,
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 1: we came up here from Florida and we spent like
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 1: a year looking for a place. We couldn't afford anything.
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 1: And we came up like eight different trips and just
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 1: kept getting outbid by people from California.
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 1: And I had given up. I was like, it's not
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 1: going to happen. It's like, let's just go, let's just
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: go get a cabin in the woods and enjoy it.
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 1: And then we'll just figure out a different place in
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 1: Florida to move or something. And we stayed in, so
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 1: we rented this old cabin out in the woods, Civil
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 1: Warrior cabin. And, and I woke up, I heard this
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 1: thing banging on the walls at like two in the
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 1: morning or whatever time it was. And I was like,
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 1: I woke up and I'm like, geez. woke my wife
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 1: up and she's like, ah, it's probably just an animal.
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's probably a squirrel or a raccoon. I'm like,
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 1: squirrels don't do that on the side of the wall.
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 1: And then we did like this survival series once and
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 1: we used it as kind of like a set or,
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 1: you know, to film in. And it was me, a
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 1: guy that films for us, Tim. And there was a
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 1: bunch of us. My COO was out there. My old
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 1: marketer was out there. My wife was out there. And
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 1: then this guy, Adam, that used to do IT stuff
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 1: for us. And we went, so I had them do
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 1: this survival challenge where they had like, I can't remember,
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 1: 30 minutes in a budget to go into Bass Pro
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 1: and pick whatever they could find to survive for the
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 1: end of the world.
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 1: And then we went back to the cabin to grade
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 1: it all. And we started having all these electrical problems.
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 1: And in the middle of the debrief on the camera,
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 1: you could hear it sounded like cowboy boots upstairs. There
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 1: was a loft, like a spiral staircase loft, but you
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 1: could look down. You know what I mean? It wasn't
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 1: a separate room. It was a loft. And we had
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 1: just heard these like cowboy boots, footsteps going across the floor.
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 1: And you can see me in the video. I look
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 1: up and I'm like, look like I just saw a
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 1: ghost and everybody. And then the two guys I was
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 1: grading also look up and like, look at me at
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 1: the exact same moment. And so we immediately, I was like,
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 1: we got to get out of here. And we pulled
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 1: the footage, and you could hear static in the audio
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 1: instead of the footsteps. And I called my best friend
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 1: to tell him about it, because you can't tell that
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 1: many people, but they think you're correct. Now I don't care.
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 1: But they pulled the– he's like, pull up the– he's like,
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 1: I'm just curious. Pull up the ARB & B reviews.
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 1: And sure as shit. like 30% of the reviews are like,
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 1: don't bang on the walls. They bang back. Don't show
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 1: up after dark. Like it was, it was, he was like,
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 1: Oh shit. So I'm not the only one that dealt
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 1: with this. We did another one.
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 2: See that stuff. Scary though. Dude.
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 1: Right. We did another one. We were, when we were
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 1: moving out here, we went and we looked at this farm.
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 1: It was like 30 something acres out in college Grove and, uh,
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 1: old farmhouse. Like, I can't, whatever, 1800s, something like that.
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 1: Like original, but redone. And I'm looking at the, and
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 1: I had not, I don't think I've had any encounters
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 1: before this. So this was what, like, I don't know,
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 1: close to 10 years ago. And we're looking, I'm looking
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 1: at the photos on the, on realtor.com or whatever it was.
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 1: And I see the cemetery. I guess it's like normal
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 1: here to have cemetery on your, on your land. And
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 1: I look at my wife and I'm like, why are
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 1: we even going to look at this place? There's a
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 1: cemetery on it. Like, I don't want to, I don't
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 1: want to know. I don't want to do this.
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 1: And she's like, Oh, it's probably at the back of
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 1: the 30 acres or whatever. And I'm like, I don't
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 1: care where it is. I don't want to deal with
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 1: the cemetery. And, and she's like, well, she's like, we
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 1: don't need to worry about it. You know, if, if
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 1: there is anything like they communicate through electricity, like it's
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 1: not a big deal. And I'm like, It is a
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: big deal. And I'm like, whatever, we'll go look at it.
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 1: We're already on the way. Beautiful property, like amazing. And
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 1: just like beautiful land, rolling hills, creek running through it.
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 1: The house was like just really cool.
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 2: Like the beginning of a horror movie type stuff. Yeah.
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 1: And we get in there. So I go and look
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 1: at the kitchen. And there's a window, you know, over
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 1: the kitchen sink where you can, like, look at the
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 1: creek and the rolling hills. And I look out there,
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, there's the cemetery. Like, there's the creek,
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 1: and then there's the cemetery. There's this old dilapidated building
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 1: right next to the cemetery. Like a hut, kind of. Like,
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 1: not a hut, but it's just a ruin.
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, telling the realtor, I'm like, is that
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 1: the cemetery? And she's like, yeah. And I'm like, what
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 1: is that? And she goes, oh, that's an old slave quarters.
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, an old slave quarters right next
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 1: to a cemetery where they probably buried them. Nothing evil
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 1: happened on this property, I'm sure. And right then the
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 1: damn lights in the kitchen start flickering on and off
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 1: and all this shit. And she's like, Oh yeah. She's like,
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 1: something's going on with the electricity, but we have the
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 1: electrician out. Nobody can seem to figure it out.
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 2: I just looked at my wife.
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, no.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: And your wife had said they communicate. Yeah.
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 1: Like five minutes. Like as we're pulling through, as we're
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 1: like going up the driveway to this place, I'm like, no,
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 1: but this isn't.
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: What did she say?
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 1: Did she, she just, she's, she looked at me and
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 1: she knew exactly. She's like, yeah. Okay. Maybe this was
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 1: a bad idea.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you love it and even she's into it,
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 2: it's like, and then you're gone, and now stuff's going on. Yeah,
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, I.
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 1: I can't deal with it. No way. No. I don't
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 1: do it. If you can't kill it, don't mess with it.
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I used to... I mean, I watched
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 2: a lot of Unsolved Mysteries as a kid. I mean,
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 2: I was really into it, but I don't watch horror
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 2: movies or stuff like that because I do my best
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 2: to block this stuff out of my brain.
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 2: Because I don't need any of that in there because...
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 2: It just, I feel like somehow, I don't know. I
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 2: feel like you, if you go to like haunted houses
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 2: or you watch those movies, you're almost inviting that stuff in.
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 2: And I can't be inviting it in. Yeah. I'm not
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 2: built for it.
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 1: I'm with you. I don't, I don't watch any of
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 1: that stuff.
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 2: Cause I believe that it's real. I think a lot
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 2: of people can do it because they don't believe it's real.
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 2: They're like, this is just entertainment.
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 1: I know it's real.
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 1: But now so many things have happened to me that I, I, it's,
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 1: I know for a fact, it's all real.
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've heard people in South Carolina tell me
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 2: that in Charleston, you know, being such an old city,
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 2: there's stories of like these Civil War houses where they
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 2: would see a guy dressed in like a Civil War uniform.
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 2: They were like at an old– I guess they were
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 2: working at an old Civil War hospital or something. I
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 2: don't know, but they saw a guy that seemed like
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 2: he was dressed in a Civil War uniform, just really
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 2: creepy stuff. My dad has a house where over the
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 2: years he's– he's bought a couple of houses near him.
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 2: He lives way on the country. And one of the
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 2: houses when he bought it, they had the closet had,
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 2: you would open the closet and it has stairwell in
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 2: the closet going up to the attic. And you, you,
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 2: there was no access to it except through the closet.
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 2: And he said that the story was way back. This
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 2: family had a kid with down syndrome and they were like,
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 2: he was like back at that time, it was like
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 2: a shame, you know? So they kept the kid in
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 2: the attic. And like my dad rented the house to
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 2: people after that. And he redid it to where the
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 2: attic was now rooms and he had a stairwell coming down.
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 2: But people would have all kinds of accounts. This one
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 2: girl said she was sitting on the bed and there
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 2: was like an imprint that another person was sitting next
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 2: to her. And she said she brushed it away and
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 2: it came back. Now, all these people, who knows if
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 2: it's true? But they said that the faucets would drip,
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 2: the ceiling fans would turn on out of nowhere, that
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 2: they would never do anything to anyone, but you were
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 2: always just hearing and seeing things. Very crazy stuff.
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a ton of that stuff around here because,
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 1: you know, frontline Civil War.
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 2: And a lot of people say that it's not like
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't be the ghost of that child, but it's
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 2: that house being that it was probably that child went
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 2: through pain and torment that demons and stuff like to
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 2: gather where torment and pain.
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 1: Has happened oh i was just gonna ask you if
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 1: you if what you know we were talking about the
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 1: nephilim and fallen angels i was just gonna ask you
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 1: what you thought it was.
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 2: Because i'm like i don't mess with ouija boards i'm
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 2: not into any like even for fun like i don't
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 2: do any of that for fun.
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 1: No me neither no way never have no but uh
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 1: I did a couple of the Civil War tours and
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 1: I did one south of here. It was like some
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 1: house that got turned into a hospital. And I mean,
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 1: I'm a veteran and I've seen a lot of shit.
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 1: And we get up in the ceiling and they're like,
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, here's all the blood, the original bloodstains of
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 1: the soldiers that died. And I'm like, I'm just thinking, like,
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 1: how weird is this? Like, I've been to war. I've
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 1: seen people bleed to death and have friends that have
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 1: died and like to turn it into a tourist. Yeah,
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 1: here's where all my friends died and bled to death.
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 1: You can see their bloodstains on the floor. I'm like,
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 1: what the hell is going on here? Yeah. But anyways,
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 1: that was a good tangent.
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, that kind of stuff said, you know,
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 2: I recently found out that like my dad was born
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 2: in 1947, but he was the youngest of his siblings.
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 2: And his dad was born in 1900. And that my
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 2: dad was drafted for Vietnam, but he had a heart murmur.
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 2: And so he was denied because of his physical. And
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 2: then his brother, his oldest brother was in World War II.
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 2: which I just think it's crazy that brothers, one was
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 2: being World War II and one would get drafted for Vietnam.
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 2: But my uncle was said he, well, I never talked
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 2: to him. He died in, he was born in 26,
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 2: but he died at 56, 50, something like that, 58. And, uh,
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 2: I met him as a child, but he, uh, said
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 2: he was in a, uh, you know, he had a
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 2: purple heart. He said he was in, in combat. And
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 2: it's just like, it's, uh, I don't know. It's wild
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 2: to think of my other uncles were in the air force,
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 2: but my, my grandfather was too young for World War I,
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 2: too old for World War II. So they like something
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 2: like that. And so my direct line, and then even
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 2: I got arrested before getting into the army. We've somehow
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 2: all avoided military, but all my other, my uncles and my,
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 2: we're all in the military. I don't really know the
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 2: point of that, but I, I just, my, my, my
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 2: cousin sent me, she found my, uh, my aunt's Bible.
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 2: My aunt was, you know, in her nineties when she
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 2: passed away and had all these names and dates written down.
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 2: And then I, I did a few air force shows
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 2: and I went, I ended up doing a show at
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 2: the air force base that one of my uncles was
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 2: based at, which is, uh, um, in, in Wichita. Now
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 2: I can't think of the base, but In Wichita, Kansas.
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 2: And I've done a few shows at Air Force bases.
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 1: Very cool.
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 2: And I like doing that. All in the states. But
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 2: it's fun. You go on the bases and all these
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 2: guys that are– I'm sure they can get on and off.
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 2: But maybe they don't have a lot of time for
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 2: shows and stuff like that. They can come and see
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 2: a show for free.
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 1: That's cool.
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 2: I think those are fun.
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 1: What's the next tour for you?
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 2: Are you on– Yeah, I do. I'm, I'm all, you know, this,
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 2: you know, depending on when this comes out of me,
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 2: but I'm, you know, as, as we're sitting here, I'm
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 2: in two days, I'm going to Portsmouth, New Hampshire for
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 2: a corporate gig. And then I'm off to basically Chicago
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 2: for a casino gig. And then I'm doing another casino
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 2: gig in the upper peninsula of Michigan. And the rest
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 2: of the year is all my theater dates, which I'm
• 2:38:36
  Speaker 2: calling the neighborhood guy tour, because I'm, you know, I
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 2: lived in a neighborhood and I, wrote a few jokes
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 2: about it. I hate coming up with a tour name
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 2: because I'm basically, I'm like, I'm just doing shows, but
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 2: in order to package it and, you know, and we
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 2: need a poster and we need a name. So, you know,
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 2: but I got a few jokes about living in the
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 2: neighborhood and, but all my jokes are just everyday stuff.
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 2: It's basically like, you know, deep down, I'm sort of
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 2: a weird guy, I guess. My mind works in a
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 2: weird way. So I have an everyday scenario that then
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 2: I turn into some sort of a tangent that takes a,
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 2: takes a different road, you know? Uh, you know, I got, um,
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 2: I always liked breaking down country songs. Now I'm working
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 2: on the Garth Brooks song that summer. Uh, I think
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 2: that's fun to talk about. Uh, you know, we don't
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 2: really know how old they were. He says, uh, he
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 2: says he was a teenager and she was a lonely
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 2: widowed woman, but we don't know. A teenager is 13
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 2: to 19. So who knows? And she could be any age,
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 2: you know, like I say, you know, I say this
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 2: song's in the nineties. I say, if she's set, if
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 2: he's 17 and she's 40, that's pretty cool. Right. This
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 2: was the nineties, but if he's 15 and she's 80,
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 2: this is a different song. And we don't know.
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 1: Oh shit.
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 2: And I think that's fun. I love, because I'm like,
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 2: I love this song. It's a good song. Like, just
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 2: like all the songs, uh, you know, five o'clock somewhere.
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 2: I've did a full breakdown on that. And, uh, that,
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 2: that song's great. I love it. Uh, you know, I did, uh, uh,
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 2: the latest special I did, uh, on wet heat, I
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 2: did Garth Brooks, uh, hardworking man song. Also a song
• 2:40:25
  Speaker 2: came out in the nineties. I had the album and, uh,
• 2:40:28
  Speaker 2: I did, and that, that joke did very well for
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 2: me on its own. And I got to meet Brooks
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 2: and Dunn and talk to them. And, uh, for me,
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 2: it's like, that's, what's so crazy about it. Like I'm, I,
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like, I'm now meeting all these country
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 2: singers from the nineties that I was huge fans of
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 2: because I'm like making fun, making fun of their songs essentially.
• 2:40:49
  Speaker 2: And they love it.
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 1: I bet that's the only way they get a kick
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 1: out of those bits.
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I'm like, I remember singing Brooks and
• 2:40:56
  Speaker 2: Dunn songs when I was a little kid. They had
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 2: that song. Their first song was Brand New Man. And,
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 2: you know, it's basically about a guy who's you know,
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 2: been running around with women and now he's met this
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 2: woman and he wants to change his life for her.
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, listening to this at 10 years old,
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 2: like I'm ready to turn my life around too. I'm
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 2: ready to settle down with a woman, you know, because
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 2: this song's so good, you know, but, uh, I don't know.
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 2: It's fun. I mean, that's, what's great about Nashville is like,
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 2: I'm doing, I'm doing the Opry. I've gotten to do
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 2: the Opry over 40 times and I'm like, I love
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 2: country music, but I can't sing. I can't play music.
• 2:41:36
  Speaker 2: Who would have ever thought I'd be doing the Opry? Now,
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm kind of friends with some of these guys.
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 2: You know, we're not, you know, Trace Adkins. I've gotten
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 2: to hang out with him on a tour bus for
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 2: a while. And we were supposed to do a state
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 2: fair together, but it was storming. So we were just
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 2: sitting on his bus waiting to see if the storm
• 2:41:57
  Speaker 2: would let off for long enough. And, you know, I'm
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 2: listening to Trace Adkins stories, which I think is great.
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 2: And Jamie Johnson has sort of become a buddy. And
• 2:42:06
  Speaker 2: he was at a show of mine recently. And we
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 2: hung out. And Tracy Lawrence came to my show. And
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this is just all unbelievable to me.
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 1: That's cool, man.
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 2:42:17
  Speaker 1: That is cool. How about the book?
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 2: Well, the book, I like, right? You know, it wasn't
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 2: my idea to write a book. I'm not the kind
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 2: of guy that's going– People need to hear my life.
• 2:42:31
  Speaker 2: But I got an offer to write a book from
• 2:42:34
  Speaker 2: Simon & Schuster, which is a big publisher. And I
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, this is great. And then I wrote
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 2: the book. I wrote the whole book. And then they
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 2: read it and they go, all right, let's get a
• 2:42:43
  Speaker 2: ghostwriter in here. But I just think what they wanted
• 2:42:47
  Speaker 2: to do was they want, to me, I was a
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 2: little offended, but to me, they like, basically, they want
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 2: the book to be written in a way that They're
• 2:42:58
  Speaker 2: used to their readers reading, I guess. I don't know.
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 2: So I wrote it and then Ghostwriter came in and
• 2:43:07
  Speaker 2: we started working together. And I really liked him. I
• 2:43:10
  Speaker 2: really liked this guy and I think he did a
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 2: really good job. So I wanted to include his name
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 2: on the cover. So we've done that. And also I
• 2:43:19
  Speaker 2: wanted them to know, you know, if there's a joke
• 2:43:22
  Speaker 2: you don't like, I'll blame it on him. And, uh, uh, no,
• 2:43:27
  Speaker 2: he's great. And, and I think the book is really good.
• 2:43:30
  Speaker 2: I think he did a good job of taking my
• 2:43:32
  Speaker 2: stories and, and writing them in a, you know, I'm
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 2: a bit of a rambler and I think he wrote
• 2:43:37
  Speaker 2: them in a way that really, really works well. And
• 2:43:40
  Speaker 2: I like what he did. I like what we did.
• 2:43:42
  Speaker 2: And I think, uh, you know, I got a few,
• 2:43:44
  Speaker 2: I got a few secrets in there that I think
• 2:43:46
  Speaker 2: are fun. It'll be a fun reveal. Um, and the, uh, uh,
• 2:43:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think the book's going to be cool.
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 2: It's cool to have a book. And now I'll be
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 2: a published author. So maybe after that, I'll write some books.
• 2:44:00
  Speaker 1: Did you enjoy the experience?
• 2:44:04
  Speaker 2: If I'm being completely honest, I didn't enjoy it the
• 2:44:08
  Speaker 2: way that I thought I would enjoy it because I
• 2:44:12
  Speaker 2: like comedy because I get to do comedy exactly my way.
• 2:44:16
  Speaker 2: I write a joke. I go try it. If it
• 2:44:18
  Speaker 2: doesn't work, I adjust it until it does. And then
• 2:44:23
  Speaker 2: I do it the way I want. With a book,
• 2:44:26
  Speaker 2: there's other people involved. And it's not a slight on
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 2: them because they're doing their job. Their job is to
• 2:44:35
  Speaker 2: make sure this book is the best that it can
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 2: be when it goes out. And I'm looser. I'm looser
• 2:44:42
  Speaker 2: about things. But I am glad that I did it.
• 2:44:47
  Speaker 2: I'm thankful for them for offering this to me. And
• 2:44:51
  Speaker 2: I'm glad we did it. But they worked me to death.
• 2:44:55
  Speaker 2: And I always tell people, my comedy friends that I
• 2:45:00
  Speaker 2: have that are on the road constantly, I go, what
• 2:45:05
  Speaker 2: are you doing? Like, we didn't, did you get into
• 2:45:07
  Speaker 2: comedy to work this hard? It's like, yeah, you got
• 2:45:10
  Speaker 2: to work to get there. But once you get there,
• 2:45:13
  Speaker 2: now enjoy it. They're working nonstop. I go, we're comedians.
• 2:45:18
  Speaker 2: What are you doing? Yep. And I mean, maybe I'm lazy,
• 2:45:23
  Speaker 2: but I'm like, I used to work, you know, when
• 2:45:27
  Speaker 2: I sold pesticides, sometimes I was working 50, 60 hours
• 2:45:30
  Speaker 2: a week. I was a salaried employee. The money never
• 2:45:33
  Speaker 2: went up no matter what. And I was like, well,
• 2:45:36
  Speaker 2: if I can get out of this, I used to
• 2:45:37
  Speaker 2: have a joke. And this joke was a friend of
• 2:45:41
  Speaker 2: mine asked me one time, he goes, If you, for
• 2:45:44
  Speaker 2: a million dollars, would you eat a piece of poop
• 2:45:47
  Speaker 2: the size of a fun-sized Snickers bar, right? And the
• 2:45:50
  Speaker 2: joke was, yeah, of course I would. I don't want
• 2:45:52
  Speaker 2: to do, the joke's on making that fudge if you
• 2:45:54
  Speaker 2: want to hear it. But it was because I hated
• 2:45:57
  Speaker 2: my job. And then once I started doing comedy, even
• 2:46:01
  Speaker 2: when I was making a little bit of money, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, no way, no way would I do it.
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  Speaker 2: But it was because I like my life. It's not
• 2:46:10
  Speaker 2: about the money. It's about finding a life that you enjoy,
• 2:46:15
  Speaker 2: you know? And it's like that joke is, it's a
• 2:46:18
  Speaker 2: timeless question. Would you eat this for a million dollars?
• 2:46:22
  Speaker 2: Would you do this for a million dollars? And the
• 2:46:25
  Speaker 2: answer almost my whole life was yes. But now, but even,
• 2:46:29
  Speaker 2: you know, now I've made some money and I'm like, well,
• 2:46:32
  Speaker 2: of course, they're like, of course you'd say no now.
• 2:46:34
  Speaker 2: But no, I mean, when I was, had 300,000 miles
• 2:46:38
  Speaker 2: on a car with no air conditioner, Driving across the country,
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  Speaker 2: I'm still saying no because I like this.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you're lazy. I think you're smart. It
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  Speaker 1: takes a lot to– there's a lot of offers out there,
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  Speaker 1: especially for somebody like you. To be able to say
• 2:47:00
  Speaker 1: no and turn some of them down, I mean, to
• 2:47:02
  Speaker 1: be with your family and enjoy life, I think that's
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  Speaker 1: really cool.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I mean, I love my family. I think,
• 2:47:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, hanging out with, you know, it's like if
• 2:47:11
  Speaker 2: you're hanging out with your kids a lot, I mean,
• 2:47:13
  Speaker 2: I think I, you know, obviously you're like, you can
• 2:47:17
  Speaker 2: get irritated with your kids, all these sorts of things.
• 2:47:20
  Speaker 2: But it's like, it's a joy to be with them. Yeah.
• 2:47:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, I got three kids. Sometimes I'm sitting in
• 2:47:27
  Speaker 2: my chair in the morning and they're all three sitting
• 2:47:29
  Speaker 2: with me and I go, this is awesome. And my son's,
• 2:47:32
  Speaker 2: you know, my son's three and my five month old
• 2:47:34
  Speaker 2: is a boy. And it's like, you know, He's beating
• 2:47:38
  Speaker 2: him up. And I go, why are you doing that
• 2:47:39
  Speaker 2: to the baby? But he's just, he's just playing with
• 2:47:42
  Speaker 2: his brother. He's like ready to play. He's like, stop
• 2:47:45
  Speaker 2: being a baby and play with me.
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  Speaker 1: That's cool.
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  Speaker 2: He's ready to rough him up out here. And I go,
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  Speaker 2: he's still a baby right now. Okay. It's not smothering
• 2:47:52
  Speaker 2: with the pillow right now. But my daughter who's five
• 2:47:56
  Speaker 2: is she's, I mean, she's ready to be a mom
• 2:47:59
  Speaker 2: to the baby already. She's, she's so sweet to him.
• 2:48:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, kids are the best.
• 2:48:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:48:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I love them.
• 2:48:09
  Speaker 2: I love them.
• 2:48:11
  Speaker 1: But, well, Dusty, this was awesome.
• 2:48:15
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you. Thank you for having me.
• 2:48:16
  Speaker 1: Thank you for coming.
• 2:48:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:48:18
  Speaker 1: And, yeah, I would love to have you on again sometime.
• 2:48:22
  Speaker 2: I'd love to do it. I mean, this is great.
• 2:48:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is, you know, like I said to you,
• 2:48:27
  Speaker 2: off air, I mean, it's an honor to be in
• 2:48:28
  Speaker 2: this room with all this memorabilia that you have in
• 2:48:31
  Speaker 2: here with people that have done incredible things. And so
• 2:48:34
  Speaker 2: I'm just excited to be here. I appreciate you.
• 2:48:37
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you. God bless. Yeah.
• 2:48:39
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah.
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