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Woke TikTok therapist MELTS DOWN over “conversion therapy” Supreme Court case! · NORMAL GAYS Podcast

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  There are kids in 30 states who just got a little less protected
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  today, and the people who did that to them dressed it up in
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  the Constitution and called it freedom.
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  It is not freedom. It's a license to hurt children.
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  We are so. I hate like the doom of every
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  tik toker like they just sell fear but we are so.
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  That's just the theme of every video.
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  It's like. Everything is like is like shut
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  up, go outside, get some. Hey guys, welcome to Normal
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  games. Subscribe to our channel OH.
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  My God. All right, go ahead.
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  Welcome to normal games where we take on insanity.
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  I'm Brad Palumbo here with. The parks and hey guys, what are
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  we talking about today? Conversion therapy?
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  Did you go through it? No.
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  I didn't either, although I kind of feel like I want.
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  Did you say I want? To well, I would like to have
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  the experience for two reasons. I'm totally I and any let me
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  just finish what I'm saying. First reason is I think that I
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  would do really well at debating the counselors.
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  Second reason is that it seems like any gays that go through
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  conversion therapy and then become influencers capitalize
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  very much on the fact that they went to conversion therapy.
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  And I feel like I'm missing a check because of it.
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  So I also want to say in an episode before this, I did say I
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  wanted to lie more, so I just lied.
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  You could just watch Bonnie Blue explicit content and that could
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  be your conversion therapy. Would work.
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  Oh my God. So we're talking, We're making
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  light of this, but obviously it's a very serious subject and
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  we should be clear. We're going to talk about the
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  Supreme Court case and like the crazy over the top meltdowns
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  over it. But we should be clear about
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  what we're talking about when we're talking about conversion
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  therapy. Historically that included
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  things like electroshocks, like shocking the gay out of people
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  and aversion therapy and lots of treatment and that kind of
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  thing. And I have always believed that
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  should be banned for for especially for minors should not
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  be ever subjected to that. But the Supreme Court case.
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  Wasn't did you say especially for minors, Yes, for everyone.
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  I have a harder time as a libertarian with the idea that
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  if you're a grown ass adult and you want to subject yourself to
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  pseudo scientific treatments, I have a hard time rationalizing
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  why you shouldn't be allowed to. If you are fully informed that
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  they don't work and you want to do it, I don't know, but for me
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  it's. That's like, but at that point
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  you like have a defective brain. What?
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  Do you mean? So it's kind of like our
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  responsibility to step in and say, hey, this decisions bad.
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  It's like if a Down syndrome person wanted to like.
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  Oh my God. You wanted to make a decision
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  that they shouldn't make. Do you know what I mean?
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  Like that, if you want to shock yourself straight, like you kind
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  of you. Might be a little.
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  Crazy. You might you might need us to
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  make the decision for you. Oh, OK.
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  Anyways, OK. James Fishback.
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  I am a tyrant. I'm just an ethical 1.
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  Anyway, we're not talking about that.
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  That's not what this case. Is we're not talking about down
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  synonym people. It's about no or Electro
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  shocking gaze. It's about talk.
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  The case is about talk therapy. It's about whether you can talk
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  to a therapist about your gender identity or being gay, and
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  they're allowed to talk you about it to you without only
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  affirming it and saying yes, keep being gay.
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  Yes, your gender identity is true and correct because these
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  states like Colorado pass laws that very explicitly said you
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  can't even talk to a patient as a therapist, as a counselor
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  about their gender identity unless you affirm it, or about
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  their sexuality unless you you can talk about it if you affirm
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  it. Which is a clear.
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  Cut. It's a yeah.
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  It's a clear cut push on. Viewpoint.
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  Viewpoint discrimination. Against the 1st Amendment
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  anyway. So this, the Supreme Court ruled
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  against this these these laws and they're not not.
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  Necessarily, they pushed it back.
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  I was about to say they're being sent back, but they did find
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  that they're subject to strict scrutiny, which means they are
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  likely to, yeah. Anything subject to strict.
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  It's not when I say they ruled against, it's not what the
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  Colorado's attorneys wanted, No. So that's what I mean when I say
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  ruled against. But you are correct that they
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  didn't strike down the laws. They sent them back to lower
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  courts for review. But they did specifically say
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  that some parts of the law were valid, like shock therapy and
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  stuff like that. So when people, it's just very
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  important that you make that distinction, that the part of
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  the law that they are getting back to the courts was
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  specifically on talk therapy. It was not on actual conversion.
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  But there's been so much misinformation about.
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  This I know. And.
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  I also wonder, under these laws, what's the point of getting a
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  diagnosis of gender dysphoria if the doctor can't even question
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  if you have it? Yeah.
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  Well, it's not a diagnosis at that point.
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  It's just. Right, so it's like the IT it
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  renders doctors and psychiatrists obsolete.
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  Might as well. Just talk to your AI.
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  It's a fun. Operates well, it operates.
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  It operates like ChatGPT, like you're not a bad person for
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  cheating on your wife. You weren't just exploring your
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  sexual boundary, correct? Yeah, and you weren't getting
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  this. You.
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  Were you were reacting to their emotional abuse?
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  That they were giving you all your therapists could be is just
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  chat. That's what they're.
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  Asking you no, but that's the thing.
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  It's like, it really makes you beg the question like, like,
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  what are these? What's the point of having a
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  doctor as the middle man between these prescriptions?
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  Because they're operating under the assumption that nobody,
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  absolutely no trans person, can go to a doctor and have the
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  possibility that their gender dysphoria isn't actually
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  present. Or that these people don't even
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  have gender dysphoria. Or that it's transient, a doctor
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  can't even determine. Hey, this might be stemming from
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  another comorbidity that you have.
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  Maybe we should wait before you chop your tits off.
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  If you work separating under the assumption that there is no such
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  thing as a patient that exists like that, you are insane.
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  But the other thing I was just saying about this, then we
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  should probably get into the actual video we're reacting to
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  is that these therapists, I'll just tell you why I agree with
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  this ruling. In a nutshell, if a three-year
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  old is brought to a therapist and says my gender identity is a
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  cupcake, I identify as a cupcake.
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  It is literally illegal under these laws for the therapist to
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  say you're not a cupcake, you're a little boy.
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  Now let's talk about why you're feeling like a cupcake, right?
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  But to actually not literally any action that does not affirm
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  a gender identity. And they have no clear cut
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  definition. Of gender identity.
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  Gender identity is whatever you identify as.
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  You could say my gender identity is cat my cat self and they
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  literally have to affirm that or not.
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  At this point just let him act like I don't even care.
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  I don't care. Oh, so now we're going to watch
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  a crash out video from therapy Jeff on TikTok, a woke therapist
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  Because you know, we love woke therapist out here.
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  Delusional. They're really doing God's work
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  to pay our bills and he. We'll put his user on screen.
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  He has 3,000,000 followers. He's.
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  Very big. I've seen some of his videos,
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  occasionally I'll agree with one, but like a lot of times
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  it's just there's this like psychology behind the woke like
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  very left person that's like so coddling and detached from
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  reality. Especially therapist.
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  Especially therapist, everything is therapy speak and it's so
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  diluted from what is actually happening.
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  And not only just like probably their patients life, but just in
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  the world in general because they're so afraid of stepping on
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  people's feelings that it's like like I, I don't know, I feel
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  like they're like the worst people on the planet.
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  Like I'd rather hang out with Jeffrey Dahmer.
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  Oh my God, that might be a slight.
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  I might give him a finger to chew on.
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  He's one of the old people. That's not what I thought you
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  meant. Oh, EW, no, no, I'm not the
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  eight people that means it's probably.
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  People, all right, we're deleting that.
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  Please just blur all of that with the bleep mouth.
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  And everything true. I wonder what his fart smelled
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  like. Like a nose?
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  Disgusting. Part that's absolutely
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  unacceptable. If you want me to stop saying
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  stuff like this, join as a member.
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  Watch, I hope I get Stephen Hawking.
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  I'd rather get him than Epstein. Hardly do, but so much damage.
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  Like, if you're really being essayed by like Epstein, Trump
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  or Stephen Hawking, wouldn't you rather it be Stephen Hawking?
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  What the? What's he going to do, drool on
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  you? How are we 8 minutes and 20
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  seconds in? The second, I'm sorry.
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  We're going to watch the therapy video.
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  We're so cooked. The Supreme Court ruled today
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  that banning conversion therapy for kids is a free speech
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  violation. I am sorry, what?
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  Who's free speech? The therapists, Not the child's.
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  The adult with the license? The constitutional protection?
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  The kid getting psychologically dismantled on that couch does
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  not What the free speech. OK, you know what that means in
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  this context? A grown adult with a license
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  sits across from a kid, a kid who didn't choose to be there,
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  whose parents sent them there, and tells them that they're
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  broken every. Week OK, I actually agree
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  because in kids it is child abuse and I do think that the
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  state has a vested interest in preventing child abuse however.
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  But not all of it. Some forms of it, you can't form
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  it. But exactly that's my point.
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  There is a line that gets drawn where you have to accept the
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  risk that is associated with the freedom that we are granted
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  under our constitution. There is risk associated with
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  any type of freedom that you get.
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  The more free a country is, the more risk there is that people
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  are going to abuse it. And specifically with free
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  speech and raising kids like you can.
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  Unfortunately under you can say a lot of things to your kids
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  that would be considered abusive, but also the state can
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  regulate speech, they just have to do it from a neutral
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  perspective. And they clearly did not in
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  this. Case they're allowed to regulate
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  speech from healthcare providers.
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  If did you read Kagan's they are her her concurrence.
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  But it's subject to a strict scrutiny and it can't have a
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  blatant viewpoint discrimination.
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  Well, it's not subject to strict scrutiny if it doesn't have a
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  blatant viewpoint discrimination.
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  So Colorado could go back and rewrite the law and say you're
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  not allowed to talk about changing sexuality either way,
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  you're not allowed to affirm it or whatever.
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  They could do it in a way that is viewpoint neutral and it
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  wouldn't can be under strict screen.
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  That's interesting because that's the other telltale sign
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  that this is not some like evil right wing court ruling. 2 of
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  the. Democrats, right?
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  And specifically if you read Kagan's concurrence, she's
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  laying out to Colorado this is what you need to do to regulate
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  this practice. And I honestly agree with her
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  more than the Republican justices because I do think it
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  is child abuse. Well, I don't, but like which?
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  So for me telling a child who says they're transgender,
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  they're not in. Fact.
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  I'm focused on the gay kids. OK, but that's actually.
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  It's still talk therapy. The heart of the case, though,
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  is actually not that, and the. They talked a lot about
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  homosexuality though. I guess I'm more focused on the
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  gender identity aspect. And I think what you're saying
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  is even if they went through that view, I think the therapist
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  should in fact be able to not affirm a child's.
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  That's the issue is that the law is so vague that it is clearly
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  viewpoint discrimination. But if Colorado went back and
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  said this is what you are not allowed to talk about in on both
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  sides of the issue. You can't confirm as a therapist
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  what you support and what you don't.
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  But this is what you're not allowed to talk about or not
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  allowed to say they Colorado could get could get away, I
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  guess if. They were to say that you can't
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  affirm or deny a child's gender identity as a therapist is what
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  you're describing. Yeah, something along those
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  lines, But it it would take a lot of thought to become neutral
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  in this position. It it's that they were always
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  going to lose this case because the law is so blatantly skewed.
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  Yeah, and gender identity being a part of it makes it a lot of
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  I. Agree.
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  I I think for if, if these laws should never have been lumped
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  together as gender identity and sexual orientation because
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  they're so different and that your sexual orientation.
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  It's not. A doctor doesn't have to.
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  A doctor has to diagnose you with gender dysphoria and also
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  like being gay. Gender identity, to the extent
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  that's even a meaningful concept, but something like
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  gender dysphoria can change. That's obviously true.
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  Not really. Not often, and not through not
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  through pressure. There wouldn't be a way to prove
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  in court that sexuality can't change.
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  Can never change, I think. I think you can show that the
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  conversion therapy programs as they've existed do not.
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  Work. Yeah, those don't work.
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  But to say that sexuality doesn't subconsciously change?
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  I'm not saying it literally never changes for anyone, but
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  what I'm saying is obviously gender identity is a fluid
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  concept. There are millions or thousands
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  upon thousands of people who at one time felt like they maybe
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  identity to fight a different way and then no longer do.
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  So the idea that it's going to be illegal to push back on that
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  or question that as a therapist, because the actual people with
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  gender dysphoria, very persistent gender dysphoria, a
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  therapist pushing back on their identity is not going to make it
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  go away or dissuade. No, like Blair White, if Blair
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  had been to a therapist as a child, who knows, maybe Blair
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  did and she had said, I feel like a girl, I feel like, and
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  the therapist was like, no, you're a boy.
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  You're you're a boy because she's actually got gender
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  dysphoria. It wouldn't have gone away,
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  right? So I think a therapist should be
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  allowed to push back on. A child and their pushback isn't
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  normally you're a boy. Their pushback is what are these
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  other things happening in your life?
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  That Why do you feel that way? Like what's going on there?
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  My issue, You know, you can be a boy and still be feminine,
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  right? Like, yeah.
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  I mean, my issue with this is that if gender and all of that
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  conversation was not in Colorado's law because it.
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  Was just about. It was just about sexuality.
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  There is a way for Colorado to write this law and it will be.
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  It will not be put under strict scrutiny by the courts.
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  And then they could get away with it because you're allowed
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  to regulate speech. The problem?
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  You're allowed to regulate professional.
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  Professional speech, correct? Well, there's always a little
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  bit of. I mean.
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  You can't like, regulate speech. You have a lot.
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  More. You have a lot more correct, but
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  the difference here, and I think legally speaking the the
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  difference between gender and sexuality is that sexuality is
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  no longer in the DSM. It is not a mental illness.
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  A therapist doesn't have to diagnose you with being gay.
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  You have to go off what the patient says.
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  So if you wrote a law and said you're not allowed to affirm or
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  deny a patient's sexuality, you just have to accept what the
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  patient tells you, that would be very different than gender
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  dysphoria because a doctor has to affirm or deny it to give you
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  a diagnosis. It's a diagnosis that has
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  criteria. It's.
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  Both correct, and if it has criteria there are people who
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  are not going to fit it. Crazy take.
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  That's transmedicalism about according to them.
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  Let's let therapy Jeff crash out a little more.
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  That's the speech we're protecting.
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  That's not two people having a debate.
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  That's not a difference of opinion.
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  That's an adult with authority over a child telling that child
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  they're wrong for existing, and we just made that legal.
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  He's focusing on, well, he's focusing on the gay argument,
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  and this is just such. But also that's not telling them
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  they're broken and they're wrong for existing is not the same
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  thing as anything. I I would say it is.
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  That's what conversion therapy is.
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  That if you're telling them they're wrong for existing.
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  As a gay person, yes. If you're telling someone
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  they're wrong for that, it's wrong.
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  To be they don't use those exact verbiage.
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  But if being gay is fundamental to who you are, saying that it
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  is wrong is saying that being that you existing as you
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  actually are is wrong. I don't I think though that
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  that's he's making it sound like they are telling you you
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  shouldn't exist. You know how they say like 9
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  are. Existing I'm about to live out.
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  Oh my God, it's giving us woke king.
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  I'm sorry, because that's exactly what they're saying.
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  And you're saying that? If you were saying being gay is
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  wrong to a gay person, you were telling me that my existence is
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  wrong, yes. That one aspect of it not you
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  categorically as a human. Well, one aspect of it, a very
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  big one, it cannot be changed. If you were going to say that
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  white that whiteness is wrong, you are saying that my existence
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  is wrong, but having white skin is wrong.
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  Well, it is. We've learned that.
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  Well, now he's the woke one. Do you understand what I'm
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  saying? I do.
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  Understand what you're saying, but I think.
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  I don't think we cat we should categorize fundamental parts of
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  who we are and give grace to somebody saying this major part
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  of you is wrong and then say, well, they're not saying you
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  shouldn't exist. They're just saying, you know,
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  maybe they'll say your hand is ugly, chop it off.
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  You know what I mean? Like that's but they're.
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  Not saying you shouldn't exist, they still want you to you.
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  Shouldn't exist in in a natural state.
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  You should try to. They want you to be different
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  than how you are, but the same way if like, yes, yeah, but
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  that's not the same as saying you shouldn't exist.
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  It well existing implies that it is a natural state of being if
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  you want to change something that is fundamental to the
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  person. I get what you're saying, but it
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  just feels like a caricature, like you're not telling them if
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  he just. Said that might not be their
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  intention. OK, that might not be their
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  intention because they think that it can be changed.
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  So their intention is not to have you cease to exist, but the
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  reality of it. And the reality of them saying
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  that who you are is wrong is them saying they don't want you
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  to exist because even though they don't believe it's a
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  fundamental part of who you are, I.
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  Think they want you to make different in some of these
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  cases, and this is where it gets complicated.
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  They're actually not trying to in the law also says the
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  original Colorado law says they can't even advocate that you
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  change your practices. They can't even say like well,
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  you should abstain from acting on your same sex attractions.
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  Well, that's. Different and so part of what
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  I'm saying is a lot in a lot of these cases they may not be
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  telling you this is actually an issue within Christian world
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  where some of these Christian communities take the approach
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  that being same sex attracted is not sinful and is.
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  But acting on it is. But you should choose to not act
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  on it. And in that case, I think
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  they're definitely not telling you that you're you shouldn't
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  exist anyway. We're getting to show up on
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  this. We should probably keep going.
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  Yeah. Such a cool place we live in.
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  You know what else is speech? A doctor telling a patient they
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  don't need chemo when they do. We regulate that.
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  We regulate harmful speech from licensed professionals
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  constantly. Because when you're in a
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  position of clinical authority over someone.
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  Sorry, but he's. That's correct.
• 18:42
  This is true, but he's but the. Law is not written in a neutral
• 18:45
  tone. It is neutral to say that a
• 18:47
  patient shouldn't get chemo or that a patient should get
• 18:50
  chemotherapy if they have cancer, because it's objectively
• 18:54
  true. It's not the same thing as.
• 18:56
  It's not the same as. Oh, you're not allowed to tell a
• 18:58
  male patient that they're male? Yeah, yeah, that's very
• 19:02
  different. I'm focusing more on the gay
• 19:03
  part but. I guess I focused more on the
• 19:06
  gender part because I think that's like way way way more
• 19:10
  frequent and common now is therapists interacting with
• 19:13
  children discussing gender identity.
• 19:15
  I. Think a lot of.
• 19:16
  Times. Less We focus a lot on the
• 19:18
  gender stuff, but gay people get dragged down with it and I think
• 19:22
  it's important that we don't. I just wish they were separate
• 19:25
  together. I think I wish they were
• 19:26
  separate. I just don't think it's OK to
• 19:28
  accept gay people getting ripped down with these other craziness.
• 19:32
  That's the effect of putting them in the same law.
• 19:34
  Yeah, I know, I know. Your words aren't just words.
• 19:37
  They're interventions. They have effects.
• 19:39
  We hold you accountable for those effects.
• 19:43
  I'll just. Say one thing so the position of
• 19:45
  Colorado, for example, would also allow a state to pass a non
• 19:49
  viewpoint neutral. So a viewpoint explicit law that
• 19:52
  says it's illegal for a counselor to affirm a trans
• 19:56
  identity correct. And are they OK with that?
• 19:59
  I'm I wouldn't do not. Think I can see Tennessee doing
• 20:01
  that. Right.
• 20:02
  But I think that the counselors have a right to 1st Amendment
• 20:06
  expression about their viewpoint on this contentious, evolving
• 20:10
  issue. He doesn't.
• 20:11
  He thinks the only difference between that is that.
• 20:13
  I mean I guess everybody can concoct evidence to support
• 20:16
  their opinions but like their argument would be well we have
• 20:20
  clinical evidence to prove that non affirmation isn't good for
• 20:25
  them or something like. That well one, but that's
• 20:26
  actually not true and sure, so the other side thinks they have
• 20:29
  clinical evidence that it's not. I'm saying everybody comes up
• 20:32
  with their own evidence. That's.
• 20:33
  The problem with saying well, like with a free speech issue,
• 20:35
  you can't really say, well, there's evidence on this side
• 20:37
  because it's like judges are supposed to interpret the
• 20:40
  Constitution and the law, not settle which side has stronger
• 20:43
  evidence. Sure, but evidence does make
• 20:48
  things subject, or does make very subjective things lean a
• 20:52
  little bit more objective. Specifically with his cancer
• 20:55
  example. Yes, I do agree.
• 20:56
  But to conflate something like gender medicine with something
• 21:00
  that is so highly criticized and unstudied?
• 21:02
  And sometimes in these comparisons, it's just such a.
• 21:05
  Different model with just not apples to.
• 21:07
  Apples No. Facts.
• 21:10
  Except now, except for this, we have the research too. 10s of
• 21:14
  thousands of participants kids who went through conversion
• 21:17
  therapy have significantly higher rates of depression,
• 21:20
  anxiety and side attempt. So the problem is here.
• 21:24
  He's conflating. Gay conversion.
• 21:27
  Therapy. And he's convert conflating
• 21:29
  studies of treatments with talk therapy, which is what the case
• 21:33
  is about. You do not have the studies he
• 21:35
  just described applied to talk therapy about gender identity.
• 21:39
  And people who were. Talk therapy about sexuality.
• 21:41
  And the people who went through those treatments, guess what?
• 21:45
  Those treatments are now still banned in Colorado because the
• 21:47
  Supreme Court didn't say that those are allowed.
• 21:50
  Yeah, it's just you'd think that even if it was interesting, I
• 21:53
  saw a couple comments on this video being like, hey, supporter
• 21:55
  here, but like this isn't accurate to the case and this
• 21:58
  and that, and like you'd think they would just even understand
• 22:02
  the thing they're talking about more.
• 22:03
  No, what I've realized is anybody who is successful on
• 22:06
  social media has to either be purposefully ignorant or
• 22:09
  willfully or not purposely. Except for us.
• 22:13
  Well, that's why we only have 50,000 subscribers, yeah.
• 22:16
  Beside attempts, we are not debating this.
• 22:18
  The data is there. The court just decided it
• 22:20
  doesn't matter as much as the therapist's right to keep doing
• 22:24
  it. Bonkers.
• 22:26
  And by the way, this dropped on Transgender Day of Visibility.
• 22:29
  Oh. My God, what?
• 22:31
  You want the Supreme Court not to do their jobs because it's
• 22:33
  transgender? Day because of this like holiday
• 22:35
  y'all made-up five years ago. I'm sorry.
• 22:37
  They're not. Going to issue a rolling.
• 22:39
  This is so. Stupid, but they're I mean, this
• 22:41
  is so dumb. That's just a quirk of the
• 22:42
  calendar and they're not going to reschedule when court Supreme
• 22:46
  Court opinions are issued because of a holiday.
• 22:48
  This is actually something funny that we do this in the opposite
• 22:52
  direction. Like sometimes MAGA people will
• 22:53
  get upset about a quirk of the calendar, like Joe Biden, I
• 22:58
  think in his last year's president's declared trans
• 23:01
  visibility day or something on Easter and they got offended.
• 23:05
  But it was. Just it changes.
• 23:07
  Every year Easter changes every year, and there's just a set
• 23:09
  date for that day, so we just proclaimed that day.
• 23:11
  When I was like in my independent, like I don't know
• 23:14
  where I fall, I was like a year into being an independent and I
• 23:17
  remember seeing that and be like MAGA kind of crazy.
• 23:19
  Like it was just, it's just dumb.
• 23:21
  Like you, you're getting all worked up over a quirk of the
• 23:23
  calendar and it's ridiculous. So I it's This is also.
• 23:26
  That kind of the same thing. 8 justices, 1 dissent.
• 23:30
  Jackson, the only one who said out loud that states have always
• 23:33
  been able to regulate what licensed professionals do to
• 23:36
  patients. I do want to pause on that and
• 23:38
  say that that is intention with Justice Jackson and other
• 23:42
  liberal justices ruling about whether states could ban gender
• 23:47
  transition treatments where in those cases, and those were
• 23:51
  about actual treatments, not talk, not First Amendment.
• 23:55
  She completely agreed that she completely disagreed that states
• 24:00
  had the power to regulate medical treatments to minors.
• 24:03
  I remember that I think there might be a different legal
• 24:05
  reason as to why she. Doesn't there is OK, it is more
• 24:08
  complicated. I always refrain to like have
• 24:11
  strong opinions on the court unless I've read it because I
• 24:13
  just feel like it's very complex.
• 24:15
  But it's just interesting that he's suggesting, like what he's
• 24:20
  suggesting here, that everyone else just doesn't believe the
• 24:23
  ability the state has the ability to regulate medical
• 24:26
  procedures, though they do. They do.
• 24:28
  And that delivering harm through language doesn't make it not
• 24:32
  harm. She was right.
• 24:34
  That is such dumb claptrap because like.
• 24:36
  Yes, she was right. But she was also wrong.
• 24:38
  Because that's not what this case is arguing.
• 24:40
  That's arguing viewpoint discrimination.
• 24:42
  Right. But also this idea that, well,
• 24:44
  if you deliver harm through language, then it's regulatable.
• 24:48
  That's not a word, but you know what I mean.
• 24:50
  OK, well then free speech no longer exists because then a lot
• 24:53
  of people think that your words are harmful in lots of contexts
• 24:56
  and ways. I find this video harmful.
• 24:59
  The harm has to be quantifiable and have overwhelming evidence
• 25:03
  to support it. And right now, unfortunately, it
• 25:06
  is viewpoint discrimination because the majority of people
• 25:09
  don't believe that you can just walk in and say you identify as
• 25:11
  a cat. If everybody believed that, this
• 25:14
  wouldn't be viewpoint. I feel well actually even if 2%
• 25:18
  of society didn't, it would still be.
• 25:20
  Sure, but I'm saying when there is an overwhelming sentiment of
• 25:23
  something being wrong, it's not. I don't think we would have the
• 25:27
  same result as that the. Court.
• 25:29
  Maybe not, but I feel quantifiably harmed by his
• 25:31
  words. Because it wouldn't be the
• 25:33
  government trying, sure, yeah, so.
• 25:35
  But it wouldn't be the government trying to enforce a
• 25:37
  viewpoint on the population because they already held it.
• 25:41
  I get what you're saying, yeah. And she was alone, so that's
• 25:45
  great. There are kids in 30 states who
• 25:48
  just got a little less protected today.
• 25:50
  And the people who did that to them dressed it up in the
• 25:53
  Constitution and called it freedom.
• 25:55
  It is not freedom. It's a license to hurt children.
• 25:59
  We are so. I hate like the doom of every
• 26:02
  tik toker like they just sell fear porn but we are so.
• 26:06
  That's just the theme of every video.
• 26:08
  It's like. Everything is like is like shut
• 26:11
  up, go outside, get some sorry. I just, I do think people focus
• 26:16
  on the negative things happening all the time.
• 26:18
  And it's like even from this guy's perspective, it's still
• 26:23
  been like never been better in human existence other than maybe
• 26:27
  five years ago to be gay, right? Like it's still the world is
• 26:30
  still a better place and becoming a better place in a lot
• 26:33
  of ways. Lots of good things are
• 26:34
  happening too. This this whole doom and gloom
• 26:36
  obsession. And this is not just a woke
• 26:39
  thing. Like you see this everywhere.
• 26:41
  Civilization is doing different this election.
• 26:43
  We don't pass this bill. It's like, take a deep breath.
• 26:46
  But The thing is if if we actually recognize how good
• 26:48
  everything is, people get bored. Yeah, well you have to create
• 26:52
  trouble in. Order to appreciate good things.
• 26:54
  That's just like human psychology.
• 26:56
  I get it. But but also like that's.
• 26:57
  For dishonesty. We're bragging on him but like I
• 26:59
  should probably take a note out of his book because me just
• 27:02
  giving factual like explanations flops.
• 27:05
  I get no views. But doing this kind of shit gets
• 27:08
  you 3,000,000 followers a pair. Yeah.
• 27:09
  So I'm just going to start telling everybody that.
• 27:12
  When you say the other video, I'm just gonna start.
• 27:14
  Lying. I'm gonna lie more.
• 27:15
  Yeah, well, I've actually committed to that bit.
• 27:18
  I'm not. You're not.
• 27:19
  Allowed to I need to learn how to lie a little bit for my own
• 27:22
  success. I can't ruin every opportunity I
• 27:24
  have because I tell somebody that they look like I have to
• 27:28
  lie. I think it's funnier when you
• 27:31
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