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6/11/26: Trump Considered Nuking Iran, Trump Says He Loves Inflation, Morning Joe Vs Platner · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 2: we have Brandon Wikert, an independent journalist and analyst of
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  Speaker 2: the Wiker Report the Wiker Brief over on Sebstack. Let
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  Speaker 2: me get the name right. Great to see you, brandonca Man.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me as always.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's our it's our pleasure. Wanted to get you
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  Speaker 2: to react to both. Trump has just made some comments
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  Speaker 2: on Fox News, but also he put this out on
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  Speaker 2: True Social. If we could put this back up onto
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  Speaker 2: the screen, guys here he is threatening to hit Aron again.
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  Speaker 2: Very hard tonight. At some point in the not too
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  Speaker 2: distant future, will be taking carg Island and other oil
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  Speaker 2: infrastructure points and assumed total control of the oil and
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  Speaker 2: gas markets, much like we have with Venezuela. He also
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  Speaker 2: called into Fox and Friends this morning and still threatening
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  Speaker 2: carg Island, but saying he's not sure that the country
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  Speaker 2: has the stomach for such an operation.
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  Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.
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  Speaker 5: Look, my preference has always been take carg Island. That's
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  Speaker 5: been Brian knows that. I spoke to him a long
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  Speaker 5: time agoint. Lawrence knows it. I spoke to him a
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  Speaker 5: long time ago. I said, my preference would be that
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  Speaker 5: I don't know that America has the stomach for it
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  Speaker 5: to be honest with you and to make a fortune.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't know that America has the stomach. I
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  Speaker 5: think I'd like to see us come home. But we
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  Speaker 5: did it with venezuel and Venezuela has worked out great
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  Speaker 5: for everybody. We've taken millions and millions of barrels of
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  Speaker 5: oil out of Venezuela. We've put them to Houston and
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  Speaker 5: various other places Louisiana where you know refineries that we
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  Speaker 5: have that they are incredible. They're going twenty four hours
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  Speaker 5: a day making a fortune, and you know, I like
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  Speaker 5: that in this case too. But I'm not sure that
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  Speaker 5: America has a long time you know, it's it's a
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  Speaker 5: little longer process something that's a guarantee if I want
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  Speaker 5: to do it, mister Press, not sure the country has
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  Speaker 5: the appetite for it. Does that make sense to you.
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  Speaker 5: I understand where good as it is, by the way,
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  Speaker 5: as good as it is, that's always been my number
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  Speaker 5: one thing. But as good as it is, I'm not
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  Speaker 5: sure the country has the appetite for it. And that's okay.
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  Speaker 5: I understand that.
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  Speaker 2: So brandon your reaction to these new threats from the President.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's not just the US mility. I'm sorry, the
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  Speaker 3: US population that doesn't have the stomach for what would
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  Speaker 3: be an invasion of Iran. Carg Island is technically part
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  Speaker 3: of Iran, and to take it, quote unquote, you have
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  Speaker 3: to put boots on the ground. It's not just the
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  Speaker 3: people here who don't want this. It's the American military.
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  Speaker 3: The Pentagon has been telling him, mister President, we cannot
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  Speaker 3: guarantee any semblance of success if we land the forces
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  Speaker 3: we currently have deployed to Carg Island and the President,
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  Speaker 3: just like the run up to the war, the President
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  Speaker 3: is not listening to his own hand picked Joint chiefs
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  Speaker 3: of Staff, Generals Dan Raisin Kane was plucked out of
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  Speaker 3: retirement from a very cushy aerospace job making a lot
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  Speaker 3: of money there by Trump to run the Pentagon's military.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they're jcs, and he has been telling them,
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  Speaker 3: mister President, this is not gonna work out, and Trump
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  Speaker 3: is not listening. Trump doesn't care. He's in full blown
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  Speaker 3: LBJ mode. He thinks that landing marines that'll do the trick,
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  Speaker 3: just like LBJ did in sixty five. Ho Chi Minh
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  Speaker 3: will throw down his guns and I can start building
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  Speaker 3: him schools. It's not gonna work. It didn't work then,
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  Speaker 3: it's not gonna work now because this enemy we're fighting
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  Speaker 3: is deeply dedicated to their cause. And you know, our cause,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not really sure what it is. I guess it's
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  Speaker 3: we're trying to make some money. I don't really know
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  Speaker 3: what even our cause is here, but we're gonna land
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  Speaker 3: troops apparently, because when he says we're gonna take Carg,
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  Speaker 3: it's not just a bombardment all right, he's talking about
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  Speaker 3: restarting as that tweet was showing restarting oil production. Just
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  Speaker 3: so everybody understands, carg is deep inside the Straight of Hormos.
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  Speaker 3: The Straight of Hormoves is locked down right now. The
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  Speaker 3: US Navy has barely been able to get any of
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  Speaker 3: its ships through there. So in order to land marines,
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna need to have amphibious landers move into the
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  Speaker 3: very contested Straight of hor Moves, sit there on load
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  Speaker 3: troops and equipment, and it's gonna be Gallipoli, just like
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  Speaker 3: in World War One. If this is it'll be our Gallipoli,
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  Speaker 3: and it's not gonna end well. And I think the
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  Speaker 3: Iranians will probably let them land because this is the
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  Speaker 3: Persian this is the Persian mindset, This is how they
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  Speaker 3: this is what they do, this is what they did
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  Speaker 3: to Crasses. They're gonna let them land, and then they're
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  Speaker 3: gonna wait for us to unload. All of our stuff
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  Speaker 3: gets settled, and and all of a sudden, you're going
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  Speaker 3: to see tens of thousands of shah Head drones every day,
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  Speaker 3: swarm upon swarm. You're going to see swarms of missiles,
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  Speaker 3: you know, landing on these guys. This is going to
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  Speaker 3: be a disaster of unmitigated proportions. So it isn't just
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  Speaker 3: a question of stomach of the American people. It's a
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  Speaker 3: question of the ability of the US military, which is
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  Speaker 3: very limited right now because of the target. And also,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, this is coming from a guy the president.
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  Speaker 3: Neither he nor his sons have ever served, so they
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  Speaker 3: have no connection to what's going to happen for the
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  Speaker 3: families of these troops and these marines when they land
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  Speaker 3: and they get killed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Brandon, you're taking this very seriously, and this is
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  Speaker 1: the big debate now that we've had. We actually just
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  Speaker 1: spoke with Professor Said Morandi from the University of Tehran
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  Speaker 1: on the ground in Tehran. He laughed, Actually, whenever we
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  Speaker 1: read him the truth Social post that he's not taking
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  Speaker 1: it seriously. You are well.
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  Speaker 4: He also said, we want them to come, Yeah, we
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  Speaker 4: want them to come.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is yet I want them to come, he said,
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  Speaker 1: we will.
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  Speaker 3: Remember this is what the North Vietnamese were saying they
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  Speaker 3: wanted in ninety sixty five and Ayodring. They wanted the
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  Speaker 3: Americans to land. They wanted to kill Americans. That's what
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  Speaker 3: they wanted very badly, and we gave it to them
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  Speaker 3: and we killed a lot of them. But guess what
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  Speaker 3: we didn't We didn't win that war. And yeah, so Mirandi,
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  Speaker 3: you know he's he's on the ground. Uh you know,
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  Speaker 3: so he you know, he wants us to land. That
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  Speaker 3: should give us pause. You don't want to do what
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  Speaker 3: your enemy wants. You want to be unpredictable in this way,
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  Speaker 3: not the way Trump's been doing it. But you don't
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  Speaker 3: want to You don't want to follow the pattern that
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  Speaker 3: they're prepared for because that means they've laid enough defenses.
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  Speaker 3: I'm taking it very seriously because Trump has no idea
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  Speaker 3: what the f he's doing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is the this is the age old question. Though,
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  Speaker 1: Why don't you think that it's just another negotiating play.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, literally, the day of civilization's end going to
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  Speaker 1: end tonight. We have a ceasefire. Now, obviously the ceasefire
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  Speaker 1: is fake. Two days ago, the White House would have
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  Speaker 1: called his pannikins for saying that. Now Trump just says
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  Speaker 1: it out loud. He's like, it was the most violated
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  Speaker 1: seasefire in history. We agree, sir. We were saying that
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  Speaker 1: too the whole time, while you were also denigrating us.
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  Speaker 1: But Brandon, just walk us through the mindset here, in particular,
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  Speaker 1: you know, with the Israel connection, the lobby, and where
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  Speaker 1: he's being pushed right now, Well.
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  Speaker 3: Let's just start with the baseline here. Every aspect of
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  Speaker 3: the ceasefire has been a fake lie. It's been a lie.
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  Speaker 3: So why assume now that suddenly, oh now, this is
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  Speaker 3: going to be the turning of the corner to serious negotiations.
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  Speaker 3: It is not. Second of all, the issue here now
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  Speaker 3: is the straight of hormoose itself. What does it represent.
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  Speaker 3: It is the basically the jugular of the global economy.
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  Speaker 3: It is twenty percent of the oil, eighteen percent, I
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  Speaker 3: think about eighteen percent of the natural gas, one third
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  Speaker 3: of the world's agricultural supplies, notably urehea and fertilizer. All
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  Speaker 3: of that's choked up right now since basically the beginning
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  Speaker 3: of the war. Trump knows because last week Politico reported this.
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  Speaker 3: All the American oil CEOs trundled up to the White
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  Speaker 3: House on Friday afternoon last week and said, mister President,
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  Speaker 3: we are reaching bottom of the barrel, beginning as early
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  Speaker 3: as July fourth weekend. Happy two hundred and fiftieth anniversary
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  Speaker 3: America and Trump I think is secretly panicking because if
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't get the oil flows restored like now, then
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  Speaker 3: suddenly all of his bs becomes recognized and the whole
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  Speaker 3: economy collapses, and he can't, you know, goose the system
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  Speaker 3: anymore with all of his rhetorics. So I think he's
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  Speaker 3: trying very hard to figure out, how do I restore
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  Speaker 3: the oil flows? So whatever economic pain there is, it's
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  Speaker 3: short lived. And I think his solution here is the
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  Speaker 3: insane one. It's, oh, we're gonna have to take carg
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  Speaker 3: Island and land troops there and restart the oil and
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  Speaker 3: we'll just intercept all that oil and redirect it and
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  Speaker 3: that'll be and we'll do sea control from carg Island.
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  Speaker 3: This is nuts. And also you mentioned the Israeli connection.
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  Speaker 3: What I've been saying this from the beginning. Look, Benjamin
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  Speaker 3: Nett Nyaho does not want a deal, and it's not
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  Speaker 3: even I mean, greater Israel is what they all talk about,
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  Speaker 3: you know, ideologically in the LIQUD Party, but really for
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  Speaker 3: Netan Yahoo, it's baser. Nyaho has to survive politically. He
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  Speaker 3: knows if the wars end, then suddenly the legal system
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  Speaker 3: in Israel comes for him for all the alleged corruption,
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  Speaker 3: and then the political alleged issues start arising because people
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  Speaker 3: are to say, what happened on ten seven. There's never
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  Speaker 3: been a proper accounting within the Israeli system for what
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  Speaker 3: happened on ten seven. So keep the wars going that
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  Speaker 3: Nyaho wins because he can keep deferring that action against him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he, you know, is facing a sort of
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  Speaker 2: existential threat politically, not that we would expect the new
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  Speaker 2: government to be really that much substantively different from the
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  Speaker 2: way that he's conducted himself, but for him, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he is firmly committed first and foremost to maintaining his
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  Speaker 2: own power and will do whatever he needs to do
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  Speaker 2: to blow up a deal so that he doesn't have
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  Speaker 2: his own political career destroyed. To your point about Trump's
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  Speaker 2: desperation in this moment, which you read as being very
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  Speaker 2: much related to potential imminent economic fallout, I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: get your.
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  Speaker 4: Reaction to this report, sy hirsh if we can put C.
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  Speaker 2: Three up on the screen where he claims to have
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  Speaker 2: spoken with an insider source with extensive knowledge who said
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  Speaker 2: that Trump has contemplated using a low yield nuclear weapon
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  Speaker 2: to destroy some of Iran's underground missile factories. I was
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  Speaker 2: told by someone with extensive knowledge of nuclear weaponry it
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  Speaker 2: was a very scary and very serious moment. President was
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  Speaker 2: depicted at this point to be desperate not to lose
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  Speaker 2: in Iran. His idea was to warn the Iranian leadership,
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  Speaker 2: we are very seriously considering such an escalation. I was
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  Speaker 2: told the President apparently was talked out of any thought
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  Speaker 2: of nuclear escalation. Do you find this plausible? Have you
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  Speaker 2: heard any rumblings similarly in this direction?
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's funny when when your producer asked if
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  Speaker 3: I was available today, I was last night. I was
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  Speaker 3: going to bring this plane to bring this up. You know,
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  Speaker 3: whether you did or not, because this is not the
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  Speaker 3: first time the president of the United States, specifically Donald
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  Speaker 3: Trump has in his two terms, brought up the prospect
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  Speaker 3: of using nuclear weapons. If you remember in twenty sixteen,
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  Speaker 3: and at the time, we all on the right kind
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  Speaker 3: of laughed because it was Joe Scarborough saying it. But
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  Speaker 3: I have the SoundBite. I tweeted it recently Joe Scarborough
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  Speaker 3: in early twenty sixteen, or I'm sorry, early in the
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  Speaker 3: president's first year of his first term. He said that
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  Speaker 3: the President was asking his top advisors, why can't we
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  Speaker 3: just use nukes to end these problems with all these
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  Speaker 3: countries we have, and his advisor's madison them at the time.
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  Speaker 3: We're saying it as the president, that's not what we
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  Speaker 3: use nukes for. So it's very much believable that, in
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  Speaker 3: his desperation and his naivete let's face it, Trump is
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  Speaker 3: a real estate developer from Manhattan turned reality TV star
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  Speaker 3: and playboy. He is not a foreign policy military analyst,
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  Speaker 3: and he doesn't have anybody around him this time who
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  Speaker 3: actually understands this stuff. He's got all the sea pack
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  Speaker 3: you know, rejects. These guys are not These guys are
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  Speaker 3: not able to tell him the truth. So he is
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  Speaker 3: he's flailing, and this is a very scary moment because
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  Speaker 3: he's not wrong when he says, you know, the low
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  Speaker 3: yield nukes would collapse those underground facilities, because that's the
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  Speaker 3: real problem we're facing. We can't knock those out. And
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  Speaker 3: as long as we can't knock those out, they're gonna
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  Speaker 3: in Iran keep popping off your missiles and all this
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  Speaker 3: other stuff. But of course it's also crazy because if
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  Speaker 3: you use low yield nukes to knock these things out.
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  Speaker 3: You've just basically authorized the world to say, Okay, we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna start using low yield nukes for these tactical situations.
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  Speaker 3: What's gonna stop Russia, what's gonna stop China?
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  Speaker 1: They would do it within twenty four hours. Twenty four hours.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's like, this is crazy talk. And
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  Speaker 3: then also, by the way, we can't write off the
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  Speaker 3: possibility that Iran does have some rudimentary nuclear capability. And look,
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  Speaker 3: they might have their own Samson option, you know, Israel.
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  Speaker 3: If Israel's gonna collapse, they have this plan to hit
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  Speaker 3: everybody with their nukes before they fall. Who's to say
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  Speaker 3: Iran hasn't quietly developed similar capability. They would be very
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  Speaker 3: easy for them to send a dirty bomb at least
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  Speaker 3: through their proxies and Hesbala or wherever. And if we
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  Speaker 3: nuke them, they're just gonna nuke somewhere in Europe or
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  Speaker 3: the United States, because hey, it doesn't matter anymore. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we can't discount that. This is not the way to go.
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  Speaker 3: This is this is like we're talking now, you know,
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  Speaker 3: talk about Panikin. I would say the Panikin is the
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  Speaker 3: guy who February twenty seventh, Everything's going relatively well, and
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  Speaker 3: then he decides, oh my gosh, the Iranians are gonna
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  Speaker 3: get They're gonna end the world in two weeks now,
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  Speaker 3: we got to go to World War three. That sounds panicky.
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  Speaker 3: That sounds like a panikin. And I would say that
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  Speaker 3: the president is right now the biggest panikin of the mall.
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  Speaker 4: This sounds like a fool tomame.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it's literally flailing all around.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, because it's not his war, it's this
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  Speaker 3: is Netanyahuo's war, and he's allowed himself to become the
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  Speaker 3: junior partner.
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  Speaker 1: Right and you know, kind of zooming in on that.
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  Speaker 1: Originally why we had a book before we knew any
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  Speaker 1: of this nonsense happening. Let's put see one up here
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  Speaker 1: on the screen. You did such a good job of
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: breaking down the ndaa's attempt to further link the United
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  Speaker 1: States military and the Israeli military. There's been an update
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  Speaker 1: to that that the Senate also wants to force the
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  Speaker 1: United States to share sensitive intel with Israel. Can you
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  Speaker 1: break that down for us?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I broke that, you know, I actually did
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  Speaker 3: a separate post US on six twenty two, which is
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  Speaker 3: Intelligence Authorization Act. And actually, I think the more because
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  Speaker 3: I read Pillars Piece last last night. The more I
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  Speaker 3: think about it, the more I'm wondering if the NDAA
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  Speaker 3: thing was kind of a weird feint, because the really
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  Speaker 3: important thing for Israel is the intelligence access. Yeah, they
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: want the technology and whatnot, that's an added benefit, but
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: Israel needs access to our intel. And the one thing
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: I know from talking to guys like doctor Michael Schuyer,
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: talking to John Kiriaku, talking to a bunch of people
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  Speaker 3: former CIA hands, is the CIA is very serious about
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  Speaker 3: playing keep away. I mean John Radcliff, the Director is not,
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  Speaker 3: but the permanent kind of bureaucrats in CIA, the lifers
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  Speaker 3: are very committed to keeping a lot of the intel
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  Speaker 3: they collect away from Israel because Israel will turn around
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  Speaker 3: and use that intel to disrupt OUR operations in order
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  Speaker 3: for them to gain some kind of leverage elsewhere. We
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  Speaker 3: saw this with Jonathan Pollard. But I think that's six
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  Speaker 3: twenty two of the Intel Authorization Act that already went
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  Speaker 3: through the Senate that May twentieth. Is my understanding is
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  Speaker 3: it got out of the Senate, so now it's waiting
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  Speaker 3: for the next phases of you know, the legislation process,
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  Speaker 3: but nobody really paid attention to it. Everybody was talking
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  Speaker 3: about the NDAA, which is why I went back and
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  Speaker 3: I see that that Paul Pillar went back and was like,
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  Speaker 3: wait a second. The bigger issue here is if you
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  Speaker 3: fuse which is what this calls for, the intelligence sharing.
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  Speaker 3: So it's basically elevating the Massad and Israeli intelligence services
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  Speaker 3: from what's known as a transactional partner, where it's limited
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  Speaker 3: in finite what we give them because we wreckoncognize that
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  Speaker 3: they're an espionage threat, and you elevate them to a
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  Speaker 3: trusted partner on the level of the Five Eyes, so
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  Speaker 3: that's UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and they basically become
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  Speaker 3: like one of the members of the Anglo sphere. Now
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  Speaker 3: I have my own problems with Five Eyes going back
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  Speaker 3: to Russia Gate, but ultimately, ultimately the fact is I
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: trust the British more than I trust the Israelis when
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: it comes to intel sharing. I trust the Canadians more
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: than the Israelis. And we now have that DEA report
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: claiming that they are a critical counter intelligence threat, which
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: puts them on the same level as Russian and Chinese
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: intelligence services. And this act by the Senate, if it
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: goes through all the way, and I think it might
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: because nobody's talking about it except me and you and
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: a couple other people. If this thing goes through Israeli
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: intelligence is now it's open kimono for the Israeli intelligence.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: They don't have to ask anymore. They just gain access.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Crazy crazy to think about, and ties the hands of
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: a future. You know, the current executive branch probably doesn't
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: have a problem with this, but ties the hand of
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: any future, you know, because you see the reckoning that's
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: happening at the American public. So talk about why this
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: is happening now.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mentioned that in my essay too, Which
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: is that another thing? Because it becomes an Act of
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Congress right now, it's an executive agreement, a series of
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: executive agreements between the United States and the Israelis. So
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: if a president wants to say, turn off the spickett
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: a little bit more in intel sharing with Israel, because
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: of how much of a prevalent counterintelligence threat it is,
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: they could do that. No must, no fuss, and the
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Israelis just have to put up with it. Until the
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: next president comes in this Senate Intelligence Authorization Act for
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: next year. If it passes, that takes that capability out
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: of the president's hand, whoever the president is. So you
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: bring up the young people on the left very much
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: no longer pro Israel. The young people on the right
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: are very skeptic of Israel. Now there's a bipartisan growing
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: consensus that we need to distance from Israel and rethink
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: the alliance. And the Israelis are savvy enough to detect that,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: and they know that it's the young people, the next
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: generation that's saying this. So they're trying to lock in
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: as much of their alliance with the United States, the
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: twenty Year Memorandum of Understanding for AID. They're trying to
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: do the NDAA where they have permanent access to the INTEL,
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: I mean to the defense base. And now with this, basically,
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: the next president, if it's a Democrat, especially because we
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: know the Democrats do not want to have any real
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: ties with Israel except maybe you know, Nancy Pelosi's generation.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: But if it's a Democrat that takes power, that Democrat
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: president now is not going to have the same freedom
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: of action that the previous presidents had to say, you
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: know what, Israel, I don't like what you're doing here.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: We're going to turn that spiicckett of intel sharing off.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: It was now going to be open kimono all the time.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Wild wild stuff going on. Brandon, thank you so much
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: for your analysis on all of these things, reacting so
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: quickly to the news that's breaking this morning.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: It's our pleasure.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: So in the midst of all of this, Trump got
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: asked yesterday about how this is all working out economically
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: for Americans. There was a very hot inflation report that
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Emily and Ryan covered on the show. And you will
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: not believe what the President had in response to a
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: question about this inflation.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: You can service to President about the latest inflation number
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: which came out this morning. Could that be a no?
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: I love it the numbers.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: You know what I really love.
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: I love the inflation that you know why because as
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: soon as this war is over, you know, I can
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: say it now something you didn't know? Do you know?
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: We've been taking out millions of barrels of oil. Nobody
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: knows it. You know who doesn't know about it? Iran?
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: Until right now, we've took out the other night, twenty
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: two ships late at night with no lights because they
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: don't have any radar, because we've blasted the crap out
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: of it. We took out. That's why oil's eighty five
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: dollars a barrel. I mean, you take a look. Remember
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: when I did this. I said, look, the one bad
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: thing will be we hit the best economy we've ever hit.
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: And I said to my people, had Scott, I had Howard,
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: I had Pete, I hit all of them. I had
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: Todd in the room. I said, the one thing we
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: have to do now. We had just hit the highest
• 20:23
  Speaker 7: stock market in history, highest four oh one case in history.
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: Everything was going well, and I said, I hate to
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: do this to you guys, but Ram's going to have
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: a nuclear weapon very soon.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: So he literally says the numbers were great, and I
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: love the inflation, and then pivots to talking about this
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: supposed scheme that is getting some small percentage of barrels
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: of oil through the.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Straight up I love inflation. Somebody can back that up with.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: What else? Did he say? I don't care about I
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: don't think about Americans. Fine, oh well we have that.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: We can do a little trip down memory lane because
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: This is far from the first in mainly honest actually
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: but disgusting thing that he has said about the finances
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: of Americans. So the latest is I love the inflation,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: great bumper sticker for Republicans, I think going into the midterms.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Previously he said, well, we can't have childcare because we've
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: got to pay for these wars. And also, by the way,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I don't think about American's financial situation whatsoever.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: This is d one c. Let's take a listen.
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: Don't send any money for daycare because the United States
• 21:27
  Speaker 8: can't take care of daycare. That has to be up
• 21:30
  Speaker 8: to a state. We can't take care of daycare. We're
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: a big country, we have fifty states, we have all
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: these other people who are fighting wars. We can't take
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: care of daycare. You got to let us state take
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: care of daycare. And they should pay for it too.
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: They should pay They have to raise their taxes, but
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: they should pay for it. And we could lower our
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: taxes a little bit to.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Them to make up.
• 21:51
  Speaker 8: But it's not possible for us to take care of daycare. Medicaid, Medicare,
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: all these individual things, they can do it or a basis,
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: you can't do it in a fidual. We have to
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: take care of one thing, military protection. We have to
• 22:05
  Speaker 8: guard the country. But all these little things, all these
• 22:08
  Speaker 8: little scams that have taken place, all you have to
• 22:12
  Speaker 8: you have to let states take care of them, Russell,
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: and you have to do it.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: We're are devotiating with Iran and the president.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: What extent our American financials has making motivating you to.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Make a kneel, Not even a little bit.
• 22:25
  Speaker 8: The only thing that matters is when I'm talking about Iran,
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: they can't.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: Have a nuclear weapon.
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: I don't think about American financial situation.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: I don't think about anybody. I think about one thing.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I don't think about American's financial situation. It's incredible he
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: even has an approval writing in the thirties. At this point,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: he's really trying to make himself the most hated president,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: perhaps maybe the most hated person in American history.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I think for him what he just I think, I
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: genuinely think any political skill is gone gone. I think
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: that this has scrambled him to his core because I
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: think this is the first time ever very Lbjasque, the
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: bullshit master, the domestic political comeback kid, multiple time survivor,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: got too big for his bridges and stumbled into one
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: of the most historic strategic disasters in US history. And
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: then every aspect in fact, we're gonna talk about Epstein.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: In both cases they have something in common. Every single
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: tactic that they tried to use did not work, and
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: there's a reason for it. I think that reality is
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: one of the few times. This is one of the
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: few times reality has truly caught up with him. On
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: the Epstein stuff. It's like, dude, you and your whole
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: administration said you were going to release them. Now you're
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: covering it up. There's just there's no getting around it.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: And in fact, as you know, in a preview of
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the Epstein story, they were like, well, he's bullshit. I've
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: seen him survive everything. I'm like, well, why can't he
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: survive this. It's like, well, he can't survive it because
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: his name is in it. And he said I was
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: going to release him, and I think with iron he said,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna collapse him. It's gonna be greatvictory. It's gonna
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: be like Venezuela. We're here over one hundred days later.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: It is a disaster. Thirteen Americans are dead. The price
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: of well, I don't need to go through the whole list. Yeah,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: so the only way is that you just deny, deny, deny,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: you attack, attack, attack. And I think that what he
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: has done now has backed himself into this corner where
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: he has to say this type of insane shit because
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: it's existential now for him for his legacy. By the way,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: that's terrifying because when you say start to say things
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: like I don't love inflation, I don't think about American's
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: financial situation, you are post politics in a way because
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: it's the second term. Ye, you have nothing to worry about.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: He doesn't care about them in terms, and he definitely
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: doesn't care about Jade Vans or Marco Rubio. He can
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: give two shits about them. He wants his name on
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: he wants to face on Mount Rushmore. And if he
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: doesn't corve it it there himself, you know, he thinks
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: this is the only way he's going to get it.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: He wants to leave a lasting mark on the world.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: And you know that is driving I think a lot
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: of the way that he whether it's the ballroom or
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: whether it's trying to remake the entire entire Middle.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: East through threat and through force.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: That is what he's focused on, and when he tells
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: you he doesn't think about your financial situation at all,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: being honest and just judging by his actions, I think
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: that is absolutely accurate. Leaves it to, you know, Republicans
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: to then go out, oh, I know, we didn't mean that,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: and now it was taken out of context.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Blah blah blah. So here's the latest iteration of that.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: And by the way, I called this the moment Trump
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: said this, I said, Republicier and get asked about this,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: they're going to say, oh, he was taken out of
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: context by the fake news media. Blah blah blah. Let's
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: take a listen to what Speaker Mike Johnson has to say.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I cannot I k somebody who's gonna ask me that
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: it was totally out of context. You know what he
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: was talking about the last does that voters want to
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: hear right now?
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: No, the president is laser focused on the domestic economic situation.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: He is working to bring down prices.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: He is working to get the straight or re mose
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: re open.
• 25:42
  Speaker 9: We have passed legislation, He's used executive orders to get
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: the cost of living down. Economic tell everybody got their
• 25:48
  Speaker 9: highest text refunds they've had in their whole lives. They're
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: getting greater paychecks. There's all sorts of great economic indicators,
• 25:55
  Speaker 9: but there's still challenges, gas prices among them. So what
• 25:58
  Speaker 9: he was saying is it's going to be great to
• 26:01
  Speaker 9: have that number and compare it to what comes next
• 26:03
  Speaker 9: when we get these situations resolved. That'll be a fun
• 26:05
  Speaker 9: thing to consider and to compare that.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, we played the whole clip for you just
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: see you guys now even I mean we literally played
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: the entire clip, right, Yeah, there's no content. He goes on.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he goes on some rant about this, like you know,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: operation that they're allegedly doing the straight of hom moves.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: He says, he's laser focused on the domestic priorities of Americans,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: one of them being reopening the straight up hoorm moves,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: which is closed.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Why can anyone remind us why it's closed to begin with?
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, just absolutely insane.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: And to his point about, oh, well they got a
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: big tax refund, we'll put Z two up on the screens.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Just the gas price increase.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Alone, Okay, this is we're not talking about groceries and
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: the overall inflation, just the increase in gas prices have
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: now wiped down an entire year worth of wage games.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: So you know, I think that they were really counting on. Okay,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: people are going to get somewhat larger refunds when they
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: file their taxes. They're going to be able to process
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: that before the midterms. That's going to provide us with
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: a political bump and juice the economy, etc. Heading into
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: this critical political period that is gone. I mean, the
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: first time you went to fill up your tank during
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: the Iran war. That's basically out the window. So it's
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: preposterous that they're still trying to hang their hat on
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: these minuscule, little refund bumps that they gave to the population.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: The data tells the devitating story. January twenty twenty five,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: that's literally when Trump took office. That's how average hourly
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: wage gain is back to. And we know the story
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: of where things continue to go from here. Right, and
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Emily broke it down yesterday. Consumer prices are up four
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: point two percent. That's just in terms of the way
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the Labor Department and all those other people configure the data.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Now just think about we are going you know, it's
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: June eleventh, starting to see a lot of tourists around
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: here in Washington. It's just the beginning. So it's the
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: beginning of tourist season, driving season, flying season. People are
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: going to go on vacation July fourth, barbecues not even
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: a month away. They're going to see the beef prices,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: They're going to see the drive you know, they're going
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: to fill up their tank. And I think all of
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: those things are going to continue to spiral on top
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: of the already precarious financial situation, and that is just
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: heading into the midterms. And I think on top of it,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: you see a number of other things, like the corruption.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: You can't ignore it now at this point, a lot
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: of people can ignore a lot of corruption whenever shit's good,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: when we're all rich, whatever, not whatever. But you get
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Most people can look away and say, ah,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: my four oh one case high, So what do I care? Well,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: whenever we're not doing so well, let's put.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: This up here.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: This I couldn't I keep trying to figure this one out.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: D four D three sorry. Trump posted yesterday a troop
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: social post where he said Wow City was ranked number
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: one in topping m and a advisory market by value
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: in Q one. Congratulations to Jane f and all of
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: her great people. They worked really hard, big comeback for City.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: This is for Jane Fraser, the chief of City Bank.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Nobody on Wall Street has any idea what this is about.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Apparently the number of whatever he's citing here is not
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: even true, right, So.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so the number is not true. Nobody on Wall
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Street has any idea what he's talking about. It came
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: from somewhere. I just want to know what money change hands,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: what phone call for, what purpose? For what deal? For
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: the Trump family? Is this all behind because it doesn't
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: just happen. It doesn't just happen. You don't just make
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: it to the Trumps, you know, true social It's like
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: whenever he posted about palent here and then put the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: stock ticker right there, you're like, okay, all right, Like
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: I see what's happening here, right, I.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Mean, he's just so out in the open. So the
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: whole thing is so out in the open.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: He just doesn't even care to attempt to hide it
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: at this point, with you know, his crypto coin being
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: sort of like the chief money making scheme. The way
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: his net worth has so had in his second term
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: is just truly a historic cash grab theft that we
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: are all witnessing. And you know, yeah, when you're doing well,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I guess maybe you look at that and, oh, that's
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: not great. But at least you know things are going
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: better for everybody. He's profiting the most, and his daughter's
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: getting her private island. But I'm doing okay. But when
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: you're seeing going to the gas pump every day, like
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I cannot afford this, and I cannot make rent, and
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I cannot buy steak anymore or chicken anymore.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: I'm going to the.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Canned protein section, then yeah, it's going to hit you
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: a little bit different. And you know, there are some
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: people in the economy, not just the Trump family, who
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: are doing extraordinarily well, which again paints a very frustrating,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: enraging portrait for your average American. We have this SpaceX
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: ibo that is happening tomorrow, will start trading and we
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: can put D four up on the screen here. So
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: it's going to turn forty four hundred SpaceX employees into millionaires.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: It is likely to turn Elon Musk himself into a trillionaire. Okay,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: So the at the very very very top end of
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: the spectrum of you know, the people who are already
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: wildly wealthy or happen to luck out and get in
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: on what is very likely a massive AI bubble. Things
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: are going very well, you know, when you look at
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: the stock market, all the growth is concentrated in these
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: few tech stocks that have you know, this valuation. Almost
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: everybody acknowledges the SpaceX valuations absolutely insane when you look
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: at what their actual revenue is coming in and the
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: bet that they're placing here. But every you know, they're
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: pushing it out to retail to make sure that suckers
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: can get in when the price is at its highest,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: So they're the ones that end up holding the bag,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: et cetera if this thing ultimately, you know, goes down
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: significantly in value, which big IPOs usually do at least initially.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: So in any case, you've got quite a quite a
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: portrait being paid did for the American people, of some
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: people getting a small handful, including our president, getting wildly
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: wealthy beyond anyone's comprehension, while you have seen your entire
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: year's worth of wage gains eaten up at the gas pump.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at it right now. The
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: S ANDP is still up as of today, I think
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: based upon SpaceX expectations, and if I take a look
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: at some of the other of the indicators of the
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: European Central Bank, actually this morning just raised interest rates
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: by a quarter point for the first time I think
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: since twenty twenty five's or sorry, for the first time,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty three, which is crazy. So then consider
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: our own federal Reserve, where the current traders on Wall
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Street are betting that they're going to increase interest rates here,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: so we're going to have high interest rates, high inflation,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I mean both of those. Does that? And then unemployment
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: or sorry, the employment because of the way that they
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: measure it and all that they're making it so that
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: they're going to continue to try demand destruction, further exacerbating
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: housing and so much more. But yes, ul screen of
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: trillionaire multi I mean thousands of new millionaires. This does
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: not even factor in the open AI and anthropic IPOs, which.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: Will both are also coming.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Somewhere around a trillion dollars. I mean, between those three
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: there will probably be hundreds of new billionaires, tens of
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: thousands of new millionaires. And when we say million we're
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: not talking about like one two million. We're talking about
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: like hundreds of millions of dollars so real estate in Austin,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: San Francisco, La, New Year, Like it's going about to
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: be a bonanza in any of these very high cost
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: living eras. The yacht market is going to explode like all.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel sick saying all this stuff, but
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: it's true. True, like high end hotels and you know,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Switzerland and all these other places are going to be
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: doing gangbusters. But for everybody else, if you're just sitting
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: there measuring how much it costs to fill up your tank,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: like it's getting a lot worse. And yeah, I mean, look,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I don't have to tell you what the ingredients for
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: that are.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Society, the market for a luxury mega and the market
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: and the market for spam both going to explode. You know,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: buy some dollar general stock, that's it's yeah, it's look,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: we already are beyond Gilded Age levels of wealth inequality,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: and it matters to people. You know, you cannot have
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: a functioning society, you can't have a democracy when you've
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: got trillionaires running around. I mean we've already seen this
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: with Elon Musk and the amount of money he was
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: able to casually throw at the Trump campaign and you know,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: put a sum on the scales and then be granted
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: dominion over basically the entire executive branch because of the
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: money that he funneled into Trump's campaign at a pivotal moment,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: you know, we talk about like democracy crisis. There's a
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: lot more to talk about there too. By the way,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: they're looking at banning mail ballots, making it so the
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: USPS will not deliver mail ballots in states that don't
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: send in their voter rolls to the federal government. But
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: when you think more broadly about the democracy crisis, like
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: you cannot have this level of wealth concentrated, have a
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Supreme Court that has said money and speech, and think
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: that you are going to have any any small d
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: democratic representation.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: And we're already living that.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: It's total madness, especially with SpaceX. The ingredients, like you
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: just said, are completely you know, are all ready to go.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: We know exactly where. Well, I don't know. Let's see.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe it'll end just like last time. Maybe it will. Okay,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: let's move on to Epstein. Turning down to Epstein, a
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: lot of Epstein stuff going on in the news behind
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: the radar. One of them, though actually links to the
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Democratic race or the Democratic nominee in Maine. Graham Plattner,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: who was asked beause he's been talking quite a bit
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: about the Epstein files, He's also had his recent sexting scandal,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: and So Morning Joe's Mika Persinski tried to link the
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: two in a recent interview. Let's take a listen.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: Let me ask you that this way.
• 35:53
  Speaker 10: Can can you just talk about the nature of the
• 35:56
  Speaker 10: sexting in terms of can you call for the release
• 35:59
  Speaker 10: of the Epstein files and can you call out those
• 36:03
  Speaker 10: who have abused women and not be conflicted in any way?
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: Yes, of course. I mean I engaged consensual romantic activities
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: with adults at an earlier part in my life. That
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: seems like a fairly normal thing most people do. Going
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: to an island with billionaires to possibly assault children is
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: a vastly, vastly different thing.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: So yeah, kind of amusing I think there, Crystal.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, can you imagine someone you had a consensual
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: adult relationship.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Which I'm not condoning you do, that's out of his marriage,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: but not the same thing, not the.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Same as an elite pedophile cabal, sex trafficking cabal. I mean,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: it's just horrifying that you it's insane. And listen, I'm
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: a big one into waited this out. Hey, Mika, if
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: you're going to be the morality police, let's check in
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: on the timeline of you and your co host relationship here.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, people like I don't care live your life,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: but if you're gonna go out there, oh my god,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: you sexted someone like shouldn't this be career ending? And
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: isn't this exactly the same as raping a thirteen year old?
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: How can you have any like absolute insanity? I don't
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: know what's going on with her. It's kind of interesting
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: because Joe I watched the whole interview. Joe was actually
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: seemed like he was sympathetic to Graham. Well, he's always
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: been antime, me too, has always been I haven't followed
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: his entire trajectory there.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: He made a good reason for me.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Just but in any case, just don't google. No, I'm
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: gonna say, just don't google internal.
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: I said it.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I said, just just don't google it.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: Anyway.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: He's not being a hypocrite here, But he kept signaling
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: in the interviews like Meeka's gonna have some questions for you,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: so in any case, I mean, just complete absurdity, And
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, just I didn't get to say
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: my whole piece because Ryan normally covered the Platiner victory.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: He got sager more votes.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Than any Democratic Senate nominee in history, more actually, and
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: there was a whole oh my god, should he drop out?
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Maybe Janon Mills is actually going to win?
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Blah blah. No, it was a complete and total blowout.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Then the other question was because there was a gubernatorial
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: primary as well, Oh, maybe everyone's going to vote for
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: the governor candidates, but they're not going to even vote
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: in the Senate because they're so upset about these allegations
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: against Graham and they're so disgusted that they don't have
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: any other Nope, that didn't happen either.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: So it shows you.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: How disconnected that view is from what actual voters in
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Maine are thinking about all of this and the way
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: that they're reacting.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. I didn't know that. I actually would be
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: curious to compare that to twenty twenty four, like the
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: number of votes for him, and then also to consider
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: like if just those people show up, Yeah, because it's
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: only so funny, how small man is with one hundred
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: and fifty thousand votes, and that's seventy two percent. It's
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: a small state, small state thinking and linking some of
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: this back to Epstein. Let's put E two up here
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: on the screen inside the White House freak out over
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: the Epstein files. Here what we found out. This is
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: a very long excerpt from a forthcoming book by Maggie
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Haberman and Jonathan Swan. It's basically a TikTok of July seventeenth,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, where what they say President Trump's top
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: officials filed in the White House situation room. What they
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: found is that the most senior advisors had gathered without
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: him to figure out how to gain some measure of
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: control over a very different kind of crisis threatening to
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: engulf the presidency, the Epstein Files. Ten days earlier, the
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Justice Department and the FBI had jointly released a memo
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: that bluntly stated that their review had found no client
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: list of powerful men for whom the notorious pedophile Jeffrey
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Epstein had allegedly procured underage girls and young women. And
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: it was about to get worse. The Wall Street Journal
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: was preparing the article about Trump's relationship with Epstein, including
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: the birthday book. They say that JD. Vance took a
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: seat at the head of the table of the conference room,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: and he said, this is a huge problem. A rate
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: around him, where the White House Chief of Staff, the
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: White House Council, the Press Secretary, the dept. The Chief
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: of Staff, the Comms Director, the Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: the Associate Attorney General, and the deputy chiefs of Staff
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: James Blair, Attorney General Pambondi, and FBI Director Cash Battel.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: On speakerphone quote, the Vice President appeared panicked. To others
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: in the room. Some senior officials had the impression Vance
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: had bought into the darkest theories about Epstein and a
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: cabal of predators within the country's ruling class. Wiles would
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: then tell others the Vice President had proved himself to
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: be a major conspiracy theorist. Another top official said he
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: had been pounding the Epstein issue since the release of
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: the memo and was privately pressing for the administration to
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: release all of the Epstein files. He had even floated
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: to colleagues in extraordinary pr gambit that the White House
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: enlists Tucker Carlson to interview Gallaine Maxwell in prison because
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: it could help the president if Maxwell was willing to
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: state Trump had not been part of any wrongdoing with Epstein.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: He believed that all the files should be released. He
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: then got an immense amount of pushback from the people
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: who were loyal to Trump here, including James Blair was
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: a but he Chief of staff White House. He said,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: with all due respect, the communication strategy of this group
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: got us here. I don't know if that is going
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: to get us out. And if you're going to go
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: in front of the press, you've got a lot of
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: work to do. He began to ask pointed mock questions,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: demonstrating how difficult a news conference might be. At President's
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: former defense attorney, Todd Blanche had a unique perspective. He
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: was better equipped than anyone else in the room to
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: weigh the ideas around Trump's personal and political interests, and
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: he laid out with their best option, which is eventually
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: what they went to to try and unseal the grand
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: juries to do this interview with Glaie Maxwell. But what
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: they point to very specifically is that many of the
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: people inside of the administration, from Vance, Cash, Betel, and
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: bong Gino, Bongino especially, who at various points screamed at
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Susie Wiles, he said that you fucked this up. You
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: covered this up. Many of them all wanted more, either
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: maximum transparency or release. There were two people who pushed
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: it was Trump loyalists and Donald Trump himself, who was
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: the most pose at the end of the day to
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: releasing anything. Turned it into the quote hoax. And then
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: this is the true crime, in my opinion, is that
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: all of those people Patel vance, all of the others
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: fall in line after Trump makes his decision. When what
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: we know, at least so far from what this TikTok of,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: like all of the details of this White House situation
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: room meeting are. All of them knew this was going
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: to be a disaster, told Trump it was going to
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: be a disaster. Trump didn't care. Trump covered it up.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Trump was dragged kicking and streaming, screaming to the Epstein
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Files Transparency Act. He goes all out. He opposed everything,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: He denied the obvious birthday letter. Look, we all knew
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: it was real, Like come on, and at the time
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: they knew it was real before they denied it. And
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: then Bongino of all honestly, probably the worst because internally
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: he's screaming and he's losing his head, complaining about the
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: millions of dollars in podcast revenue and how hard it
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: is that he lost by going in the administration. Oh
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: boo hooo, my heartbreaks for you, Dan, and how hard
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: it is for to not live in Florida. Probably, so
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: he in the in the administration, he's threatening to quit
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: and all that over this, he's streaming at the White
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: House chief of Staff, doesn't quit and now comes back,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: he's on his show and he still defends his conduct. Yeah,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: from when he's in So come on, Dan, So he
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: lost all of his integrity, you know, cash but tell
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: a total joke, even though internally he had, you know,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: tried to push back at least somewhat advanced all of
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: these other guys you know who all were like, oh,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a disaster, and then they all
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: have to come out, fall in line and defend Trump
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: because Trump is the one who's either afraid or he's
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: covered some shit up. That's it. That's that you cannot
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: read this and not come away with the conclusion that
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: if it were not for Trump himself, that every single
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: other person basically works for him, was willing to go
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: for maximum transparency and for release, and they knew it
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: would be a huge political problem for them, and they
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: ended up going with it anyways because of Trump. It's
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: very similar to the Iron situation.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Well, and there was a big divide between people who
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: were in touch with the online universe and people who weren't.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: I mean more or less generational divide, but yeah, Bungino,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Patel and Dvance were the three that are the most
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: like internet brained, and they were like, this is like,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: you guys don't get it. This is the problem and
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: you can't just brush it away with your normal tricks.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: But you know, their sense was like, yes, he can.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: He gets away with everything, so why wouldn't he get
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: away with this? And you know, they were quite stunned
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: that this continued to be an issue for the base,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: that this kept coming up in focus groups.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: If we can put media, I did like a you know.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Most explosive revelations blah blah blah from this report, and
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: they said they talked about how Trump berated Charlie Kirk
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: over a like focus group that he had done. I
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: don't remember if we covered that I know we covered
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: some of the ones that he did, like over the
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Iran war, but apparently Trump was furious that Charlie Kirk
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: had done this. But of course Charlie, being an online
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: influencer himself, was very much in touch with the fact, like, no, guys,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: this is this is a problem. This isn't something I
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: can just gloss o and maintain any of my credibility.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: The second one was Bungino going nuclear over handling the
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Epstein files, which we just talked about.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: This is interesting too.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Jad Vance tried to broker a fit down with Joe
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Rogan for Epstein files clean up. The original idea was
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: that the then Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche would go
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: on with Joe Rogan to talk about the files. Rogan
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: apparently talked to Vance and was like, no, this according
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: to Jade Vance, no I don't want him, but I
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: would accept you to come on.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: And so jad tried to push himself too.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: It's interesting to me, but it is interesting to me
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: how central they saw Joe Rogan being to their like
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: attempt to clean all of this up and like using
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: him as sort of like, you know, how do we
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: get the bro sphere back on board. I know, we'll
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: go in with Joe Rogan and then we can launder
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: what a total disaster all of this is. There was
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: another media idea here that I really, really really wish
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: they had gone through with, which is that Jade Vance
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: pitched a Tucker Carlson interview with Gallaine Maxwell on behalf
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: of the administration. I don't know what he was thinking
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: with that particular idea, but I really wish that that
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: had ultimately happened. Of course, in the end, what they
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: decided to do was Blanche himself interviewed Gallaine Maxwell with
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: everyone just looked at what came out of that and
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: rolled their eyes. And then immediately she gets moved After
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: she does that and says, oh, no, Trump never did
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: anything wrong. Then she gets moved to this minimum security
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: prison where she gets to wander the grounds with her puppy.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blahh No, there's some I mean, it's absolutely crazy.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: And the reason why I think it's very analogous to
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Iran is this is basically how the same thing played
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: out with Iran. Most of the people who work for
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Trump were like, dude, this is bad. So again, we
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: know this for sure at least from the TikTok to
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Maggie Harman and Jonathan Swan. They released the memos or
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: basically about how it all went down. Inside the situation room,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: jad was like, I think it's a bad idea, but
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: if you want to do it, I'll back you up.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Pete Hegseth, idiot in chief was like, look, whatever you
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: want to do, you know, rah rah rah, I'll back you.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Didn't really have an opinion the Chief of staff or
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: the army join the joint chief. He came raising kin.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Daniel Kine was like, look, sir, you know, very muted
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: about some of the caution, but he had his vice
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: admiral actually do tell him the truth. He was like, no,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: don't do it. It's going to be bad. There's all
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: these different problems. Trump listens to basically nobody inside of
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: this in the administration. In terms of the White House.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: He is listening to Mark Levin, to BB Net, Yahoo,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: to that extraordinary pitch that happened probably in the same
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: situation room conference room is that we're talking about. Here
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: he goes from Net and Yahoo, he goes with the
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: outside brigade, but in both the deciding factor in all
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: this is Trump himself. But the deciding factor is also
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: that all of the people who work for him, who
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: know better, because they are not the president, they have
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: to fall in line and to support and not support,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: just be their cheerleaders in the public to maintain any
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: access to the king. And that is the biggest problem
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: I have with this.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: Entire The other character in this is Pam Bonding. Oh
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: my goodness.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: So you guys all remember the situation with the influencers
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: and the Binder Binder Gate where they you know, kaya
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Reritschik and.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: All these people d C.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Durino are posing with They're oh, I got the Epstein
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: files and they're like big smiles on their face. Apparently,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: according to this, she freelanced that whole thing and was
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: like oh, her and her staff are like, oh, this
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: is going to be so epic. You'll see, this is
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: going to be amazing. It happened on a day when
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Kier Starmer was visiting and Trump was going to have
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: you know, a press of veil with him after that,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: and they're like this, all the questions are going to
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: be about this, like what are you doing? And then,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: of course, as we all know, the Binders turned on
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: to be full of information that was already public. Actually
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: it was more redacted than what Gawker had published like
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: a decade ago, and so.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: It just ended up being a complete debacle.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: These influencers, who are some of the Trump White House's
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: biggest cheerleaders, they feel like they get completely burned. It's
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: human aniliating for everyone involved, and no one falls for
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: the theater. But apparently this was all like her and
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: her staff's bright idea and just turns into a complete
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: disaster on every front and further breaks the trust of
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: you know, some part of the MAGA base that is
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: looking at this like what are we doing here? Like
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: you're just engaged in a massive, in our face cover
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: up of what's going on. You mentioned when we were
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: talking about Ron before making the connection between these two
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: issues that Trump just can't actually find his way out of.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Both of them go to kind of like the core
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: brand that he had created, and that's really why he
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: can't wiggle out of it the way he seems to
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: wiggle out of everything else. You know, being a womanizer
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: and a woman abuser frankly is not really counter to
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: his brand. Well it's messy, but yeah, that's baked into
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: the cake.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: I get it.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: He's you know, ruined, crude, mean, engross and all these things.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: But when it comes to his own people, this brand
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: that he'd established, that he would be the ruffian to
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: come in and overturn the tables and clean up the
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: swamp and expose all of the wrongdoers. This's so a
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: very sort of like QAnon fantasy of what Trump was.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: The Epstein files just you could not reconcile. Now he's
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: doing a cover up. And by the way, he's Jeffrey
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Epstein's best riund for a decade with this image and
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: brand that he had created, you know, on the war stuff,
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: like from the time that he ran in twenty fifteen
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, he made central to that his supposed opposition
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: to the Iraq war.
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: That becomes central to his brand.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: In the first administration, I would say he took very
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: hawkish and potentially dangerous actions, but he always leaned into
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: this talking point. I didn't start any new wars. When
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: he runs, he goes out and has all of these
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: validators of he's going to be this is the peace ticket.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: He's going to keep us out of any future wars.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: You know, he's going to be totally different than these
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: neocons that are in the Biden administration.
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: Blah blah blah. People believed that, and so then when
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: he comes in and starts.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: On his own, you know, of his own, with no
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: provocation outside of Israel encouraging them to do so, a
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: disastrous Middle Eastern war. There's just no way that you
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: can wiggle out of that, that you can bullshit that
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: you cannot cover up the reality of how counter that
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: is to what your people thought you were going to
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: ultimately do.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean I think that between the Iran
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: situation and the Epstein situation. Again though what you I
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: think you also you have to be honest, Like the
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: truth is is so many of these people took a gamble.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: They really did, and I believe that this would happen too.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: They believe that the first term, like with the first term,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: that the advisors the people there would set policy. Trump has,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: for some reason nobody will ever know, has taken a
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: much more like active control over the policy in the
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: second term, but with a way worse direction woth with
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Iran and with Epstein, And it turns out that they've
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: had almost zero influence to be honest or counter influence
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: both on Epstein. I mean, if you think about, like
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: why did you pick JD in the first place, There's
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: no reason, like why if you wanted to go to
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: this direction, pick Rubio, or pick Dug Bergham or saw
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: another empty suit. Why would you pick somebody who actually
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: at least somewhat had like a belief system. Why did
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: you do it? Because would he seem as an internal
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: like like keep the guy pissing out of the what
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: is the LBJ quote? It's like, I'd bet I'd rather
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: tent pissing in. It's like that's the only reason I
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: can personally, I.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Think it's because he was willing to go out and
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: say no, I would not have done what Mike Pence
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: did on January. But no, he I mean I think
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: that was I think the fact that I actually think
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: he liked the fact that Jdvans had been a critic
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: and that he had been completely cowed because and that
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: was willing even to go that far and say no, no,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have certified the elections results. I mean, he
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: had already demonstrated his willingness to basically humiliate himself on
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: behalf of the president. And I think that was the
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: that was the critical piece. And then you've got Elon
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: who it.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Wasn't humiliating one. He won an election, he became the
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: vice president.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: It's humiliating to say that you would not have certified
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: the election. I mean any sort of prince. Yes, And
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: he's sort of principle that he had had previously. He
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: had already demonstrated himself willing to completely and totally abandon.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: And then you add to that Elon Musk putting in
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: a quarter of a billion dollars into the campaign, and
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: JD was his pick, like he wants him in, and
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: I think that's how you end up with Jade Vanson.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: I don't think it was as clever as strategic of like, oh,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I'd rather have this guy on the inside. But you
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: know the bottom line is his learning from the first
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: administration was that the problems were when he was rained in.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: That was the issue.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: He saw that as being the core problem in his
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: first administration was that there was any check on anything
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: that he wanted to do. And so between Project twenty
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: twenty five and then between his own vetting of who
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: he would bring into his administration.
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: He was going to make sure that it was all
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: people who would just.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Be yes men who he could you know that he
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: would have the final say that there would be little
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: to no check on what he wanted to do. And
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: that is the primary difference in orientation between the first
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: administration the second one. He's also older. He's also more
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: out of touch. You know, any sort of like political
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: magic that he had previously. I still has some of that,
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: but a lot of that touch is gone because he's
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: just been so disconnected from the American people for so long.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: At this point too, I'd have.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: To think about it more because you know, I always thought,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: I really, I really look the Elon thing. I take
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: your point, But one of the reasons that Elon and
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: David pushed him it had nothing to do with financial
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: There's no evidence currently that JD was something like driving
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: doze for us. As far as I know, he thought
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: it was stupid. But from what I can see currently,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: he picked him because of Elon was skeptical of Ukraine.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: That was one of the main reasons that David and
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Elon pushed him, Like there was a real idea. I
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: take your point on the election thing, You're probably right
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: that at the end of the day, it probably is
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: the one to one thing. Like if you're willing to
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: say it, that showed you're I just I have no
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: idea why you would pick somebody who was young, who
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: was in touch, who actually had a belief system on
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Ukraine just to bring them in and then have I mean,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: like I said, I maybe it's a strategic thing. Maybe
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: it's a humiliation Kank Like, I have no idea, Yeah,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: but I mean it clearly didn't work.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, he definitely likes that.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, even Marco right, a little Marco right, all
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: these people. He loves the people who tried to stand
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: up to him and then you know, are completely cowed. Yeah,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: and he loves he loves the humiliation ritual. RFK Junior,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: I'm going to make you eat McDonald's on my plane.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: I mean truly, like he enjoys that. And so I
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: think that was actually part of the appeal for JD.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: But it has worked out that it has you know,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: destroyed him and his ability to be like, you know,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: a posture is being anything different from what this the
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: disaster that this administration has ended up being.
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: And Trump doesn't even like him Trump likes Marco butter
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: so crazy.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think it's interesting how things work out,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: isn't it. Okay, thank you to everybody who supports the show.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: We appreciate. Friday show tomorrow. I'm sure it'll be nuts
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: with all this bombing, so we'll see then.