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IF YOU'RE BORN INTO POVERTY, DO THIS TO COME OUT! · Apostle Lazarus Femi

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Speaker 1: somebody because they look like that might people. You can
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Speaker 1: know it for the rest of your life that I
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Speaker 1: could have pursued this dreams, I would have gotten better
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Speaker 1: at this, I would have knocked this door, I could
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Speaker 1: have built this relationship. I could have followed after this.
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Speaker 1: I could have, but because I felt it's not for
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Speaker 1: mynd There's a concept called the concept fatality is the
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Speaker 1: concept what we do with that God is the one
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Speaker 1: we turn this everything out to me. Yes, it's a
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Speaker 1: very dangerous concept. You see, we talk about over compensation,
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Speaker 1: but when you have dealt with poverty, you also want
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Speaker 1: that negotiate. It's the reason why you have value. To
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Speaker 1: our value. You cannot even tell them what you discern.
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Speaker 2: Poverty is something that we deal with in our not
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Speaker 2: just in our generation. It's been as long as human
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Speaker 2: civiliztion itself. Even the Bible mentions it's in passing says
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Speaker 2: the poor, you'll have with you always. People don't like
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Speaker 2: to be called a What is the reality of many
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Speaker 2: people when we talk about poverty, what's your first thought
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Speaker 2: on that?
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Speaker 1: No, sometimes people say things like, poverty is not when
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Speaker 1: you lack money, Poverty is when you lack ideas, and
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Speaker 1: so on and so forth. While I understand that you
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Speaker 1: cannot separate proverty from depravity the moment you don't have
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Speaker 1: what it takes to get the basic things of life,
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Speaker 1: the basic things of life. The way do you put
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Speaker 1: it is that I only top a day. Yeah, So
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Speaker 1: if you don't have what it takes to afford the
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Speaker 1: basic necessities of life, I think that's probat.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the case of a lot of people.
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Speaker 2: This is the case of so I want to come
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Speaker 2: from the angle, and you made it. You made a
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Speaker 2: statement that a lot of people claim that it is
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Speaker 2: only it is not only when you lack resources that
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Speaker 2: you are poor. You know, and you you've debunked that fact.
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Speaker 2: But that has been the narrative for a long time,
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Speaker 2: that you can lack money but be rich in other things,
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Speaker 2: and that in itself, it's it's wealth in itself, for example,
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Speaker 2: a good name. So what is the connection between virtues
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Speaker 2: and having finance, because many people will want to equate
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Speaker 2: and say that's not the ultimate of a person's.
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Speaker 1: I think I get what you're saying. The concept of
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Speaker 1: the name. I think we can call the social capital
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Speaker 1: what a gain. I still will not want to move
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Speaker 1: from the fact that it doesn't matter how good the
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Speaker 1: name is. If a person cannot afford the basic necessities
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Speaker 1: of life, that's poverty.
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yes, yeah, m hmm. There are statements that
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Speaker 2: I feel a beat harsh. I'll explain, yes, say when
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Speaker 2: when when we say a man that cannot take care
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Speaker 2: of his household is worse than infidel?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Is that a harsh statement or is that a statement
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Speaker 2: of fact? Because there are factors that many might want
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Speaker 2: to argue my bid the reason why you pressing my
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Speaker 2: turnd toward that reality.
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Speaker 1: So, whether it is hash babe, it is so. Whether
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Speaker 1: it's a fact the Bible said it, yes, I think
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Speaker 1: the context is the fact that one of the signs
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Speaker 1: of Godliness is that we are able to mature to
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Speaker 1: do in every season or the season demands. Now, I've
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Speaker 1: seen in cases, very painful cases where and permit me,
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Speaker 1: and this is another way to generalize this conversation. Maybe
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Speaker 1: a man and a woman married. There is no food
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Speaker 1: in the house. The man sits down, pressing his phone.
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Speaker 1: The woman can't even have ad You won't apply for jobs.
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Speaker 1: It feels too big for the ones around, and the
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Speaker 1: woman is then agony. She's then pain thinking about to escape.
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Speaker 1: He took her from my father's house in very good condition,
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Speaker 1: and now she's becoming a shadow of herself. If you
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Speaker 1: might won't make a move in that situation to do
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Speaker 1: anything to get there for his family. This wasn't an infident, true,
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Speaker 1: So it is in that context. Again, the subject of
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Speaker 1: poverty and lack is such that the society can be
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Speaker 1: a lot emotional about, and I think the most important
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Speaker 1: thing is that we've got to separate those emotions so
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Speaker 1: they can be clarity and then people, Because if you
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Speaker 1: have not properly diagnosed the situation, the person who is
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Speaker 1: battling with that may not get the help that they need.
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Speaker 1: While sometimes it somes novel that people genuinely care for
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Speaker 1: those who are in that state, it is also important
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Speaker 1: that we don't build a society where we do not
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Speaker 1: provide what it takes for people to come out of
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Speaker 1: that state, which includes number one, knowing that you're there
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Speaker 1: about to having the right knowledge, yeah, to come out
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Speaker 1: Number three, the right opportunity to be able to come
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Speaker 1: out of that situation. If you don't accept that this
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Speaker 1: is my state, you will not embrace the knowledge. And
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Speaker 1: when the opportunity come to come out of it, you
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Speaker 1: feel others can go get it, I can get it.
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Speaker 1: So I think the most disturbing thing is when there
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Speaker 1: is lack in the place and the person is not
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Speaker 1: aware or is aware, but it's not willing to do
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Speaker 1: anything responsibility. That is a very chaotic situation.
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Speaker 2: Do you believe there are poverties that are orchestrated institutionally?
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Speaker 2: I mean deliberate plots to keep people at a level.
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Speaker 2: Let me just share a research that I came across
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Speaker 2: and they were speaking about. It's on social welfare and
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Speaker 2: the idea the concept of social welfare, and it's this
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Speaker 2: those that qualify for shew welfare are those that do
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Speaker 2: not work, those that are jobless, so to speak. If
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Speaker 2: you can work, and if you work, you are off
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Speaker 2: the If you an a certain amount of money, you're
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Speaker 2: no longer eligible to get.
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Speaker 1: To which also means that if you get that kind
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Speaker 1: of amount you're you're gonna have to pay taxt.
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Speaker 2: Yes, So a lot of people end up faring better
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Speaker 2: when they depend on social welfare as opposed to when
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Speaker 2: they work, because now when they're working, they are ending
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Speaker 2: not as much as they even we're got we're getting
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Speaker 2: from the social welfare, but now the stack's involved, there
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Speaker 2: are bills to pay, and then it appears as though
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Speaker 2: the people are better of when they are not doing
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Speaker 2: anything and depending on social welfare. Do you think that
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Speaker 2: there is poverty that is institutionalized.
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Speaker 1: Let me give you an historic fact, something you can
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Speaker 1: go very fy. Anybody can go check this out. When
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Speaker 1: the Native Canadians were conquered, guarding and you know, displaced
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Speaker 1: and those things that appened that poe, there were insurance
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Speaker 1: built around them to keep them marginalized. And one of
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Speaker 1: it was the structure for social welfare in the sense
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Speaker 1: that you provide basic things for these guys they are
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Speaker 1: not strong enough anymore. You see a structure where a
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Speaker 1: structure that looks kind stipends is sent to them every month.
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Speaker 1: And also said, by side with that structure is the
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Speaker 1: availability of money without purpose and without a pursuit. Now
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Speaker 1: you see people now get hooked on drugs. It now
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Speaker 1: becomes an institution that when they get the money from
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Speaker 1: the government because it keeps coming. And now you don't
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Speaker 1: have to work. And now you don't have to work,
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Speaker 1: means you don't have to pas you meaning, So what
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Speaker 1: are you going to do?
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Speaker 2: Purpose less propose less life.
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Speaker 1: So you see the cycle of drug crime women, and
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Speaker 1: this is how many civilizations have been wiped out. So
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Speaker 1: you must understand that when you build emotional structure around
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Speaker 1: people that takes meaning from them, you establish them transgenerational
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Speaker 1: in poverty. And it's dangerous. So as to whether it
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Speaker 1: is a deliberate structure and all that, my dad taught
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Speaker 1: me something while we're growing up. If something goes wrong
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Speaker 1: in the house and it's going to ask who do
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Speaker 1: you suspect maybe something is missing or something like that,
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Speaker 1: and you you it trained us. You most have valutation.
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Speaker 1: You should have someone in your mind that you think
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Speaker 1: and so it taught or something that if you want
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Speaker 1: to know is responsible for something, you want to check
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Speaker 1: who benefit from it. So the question is that if
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Speaker 1: you have perverting a sexion, benefit from perverting society. Number
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Speaker 1: one of the powerful benefit from it. Because when you
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Speaker 1: have vast number of people who are poor, then they
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Speaker 1: become controllable, they become usable, they become cheap. You can't
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Speaker 1: get them to do anything. They can be weaponized as
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Speaker 1: against every agendas. You use them to run propagandas you
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Speaker 1: can be shown up in a city and then pay
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Speaker 1: eight thousand people five thousand earth and get them to
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Speaker 1: show for your mass at the airport. You take the
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Speaker 1: publicity as a sign that you are you are a
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Speaker 1: popular person there. But people were able to come out
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Speaker 1: of their houses to come stand here because not because
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Speaker 1: they like you. Because then in the states where they
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Speaker 1: are buying, they can fill stadiums for a personal they
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Speaker 1: don't like. Because at the end of the day, there's
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Speaker 1: going to be cheap salt, cheap bag of rice, and
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Speaker 1: sometimes not even the rice. We've seen places where it
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Speaker 1: is gary sugar and all that. And so will benefit
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Speaker 1: from people's luck. Whoever benefit from it needs the system
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Speaker 1: to continue. So poverty is a multi billion dollar industry.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, it gives the powerful IMpower.
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Speaker 2: In simple terms, the rich benefits from the poverty.
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Speaker 1: Of I didn't say that. I didn't say that, you
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Speaker 1: said the powerful. I just paid the situation. And there
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Speaker 1: are things that we can observe all around those for instance,
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Speaker 1: the schools, what are they designed for HM or as
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Speaker 1: we have it, we are there are no consistent upgrades
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Speaker 1: to put people in the situation and give them the
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Speaker 1: perspective where they can be able to also compete for
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Speaker 1: certain strataime life. Why is it that the system keeps
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Speaker 1: pull in the mold where the best they can be
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Speaker 1: is the Q beyond those words gotten it right? So
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Speaker 1: again the question is who benefit from the lack of
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Speaker 1: the people. Fake religious institutions will benefit from it because
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Speaker 1: people cannot be used as experimental guinea pig. You can
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Speaker 1: gather them sinis, there's nowhere to go. You post the
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Speaker 1: pictures online and it looks like it. And I use
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Speaker 1: the word fake religious instran for it deliberately because if
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Speaker 1: you have religious establishment that gets it right, there will
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Speaker 1: always be empowerment. When you see the ones that don't
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Speaker 1: get it right, they will always exploit the people. So
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Speaker 1: a poor person is beneficial in many ways. And it
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Speaker 1: realizes when you say more beneficial.
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Speaker 2: In mass, when you say empowerment, someone might think empowerments
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Speaker 2: like in signitude of what we see in the government
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Speaker 2: do give handouts and all of us what's your idea
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Speaker 2: of empowerment.
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Speaker 1: You've not changed the man's life if you have not
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Speaker 1: changed the ogentation. That's impartment the fact that you will
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Speaker 1: come and find themselves in clearaites. I don't think anybody
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Speaker 1: who is genuinely a leader will meet people small and
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Speaker 1: keep them small. I don't care what organization they want.
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Speaker 1: Where the business organization, where the industries, where the religious organization.
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Speaker 1: As long as you're dealing with people, there should be transformation.
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Speaker 2: I want to get a bit personal and I like
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Speaker 2: to get you into the conversation. Also, have you ever
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Speaker 2: experienced luck.
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Speaker 3: That was born in spovercy in so lack serious poveracy?
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Speaker 1: The first time I I you say that I didn't
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Speaker 1: believe that you were. It's difficult. Yeah, it's difficult to
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Speaker 1: believe because it looks like you really for the long way.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's testament first of all, to fact to
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Speaker 2: the fact that being born poor doesn't necessarily mean that
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Speaker 2: you have to be poor, you have to remain poor.
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Speaker 2: But can you draw us through the journey of your
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Speaker 2: your experience and then this is where we are going
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Speaker 2: with this conversation. What are the effects of growing up
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Speaker 2: in a deprived environment on the mind of a person.
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Speaker 2: What what what what was your experience like, what were
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Speaker 2: the things you experienced growing up because of the environment
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Speaker 2: that you were born into.
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Speaker 3: So, first of all, I was born in a family
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Speaker 3: of ten. It's children and my parents. I guess that's
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Speaker 3: a lot. So I am the sixth one, so I
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Speaker 3: have five ones. You know, that kind of family where
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Speaker 3: they're looking for emil, just trying and trying. So the
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Speaker 3: person before me is a meal. Well I think it
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Speaker 3: wasn't enough. They wanted more, so they kept trying and trying. Girls.
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Speaker 3: So we are seven girls and one guy. I come
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Speaker 3: from a family where you have to make what to eat, party,
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Speaker 3: a prayer points, you have to look to God for
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Speaker 3: a meal. So when we go to school, when we
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Speaker 3: went to school rather and you know, we've been taught
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Speaker 3: in this studies now that the normal. It seems it
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Speaker 3: seems schedule for the families one one one breakfast, look
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Speaker 3: to release because I'm like, why are you wasting money?
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Speaker 3: So there's poverty. I was born into it, but I
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Speaker 3: did not even that way.
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Speaker 2: And then there's January sixty.
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Speaker 3: Days, so there is all of that. So you know,
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Speaker 3: we had to at some points we had to get
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Speaker 3: the children, some of us, all of us in fact,
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Speaker 3: had to get involved in hockey. You hooked several things
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Speaker 3: before I was even involved by my parents. I had
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Speaker 3: to take the initiative because I have always liked the
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Speaker 3: idea of providing for myself. I liked buying things for myself.
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Speaker 3: I liked buying my school sucks as little as you know,
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Speaker 3: all of those things. So in primary school I joined
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Speaker 3: a club. I can never forget the name of that club.
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Speaker 3: We called it Achiever's Kiddy's Team, you know, And I
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Speaker 3: remember that in one of our club meetings at the
17:40
Speaker 3: time in primary school. I was in primary for I
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Speaker 3: lent that you could there's something called what's what's this world?
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Speaker 3: There's something called vocation, is a vocational where you can
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Speaker 3: you know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, vacation basically acquisitions.
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Speaker 3: So when I caught and I heard that you could
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Speaker 3: make money from it, I on my way from you know,
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Speaker 3: from school on that day, I bought if you know
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Speaker 3: if this sach I got two pieces, and then when
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Speaker 3: I got home, the first thing I did was to
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Speaker 3: get a buckets. I put one eve but buckets, so
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Speaker 3: what's the worry? But I didn't care. I got nylon
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Speaker 3: and then I filled to each piece with juice, went
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Speaker 3: to my neighbor, put the stuff in in your fridge.
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Speaker 3: I sold everything that day. I sold out in the
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Speaker 3: market that day. That was when I know that drink
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Speaker 3: hard eyes. Yes, it was at the time. I think
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Speaker 3: it was ten ten pieces for five air at the time.
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Speaker 3: So I sawed out. I said, so there's money in
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Speaker 3: this thing. I hurt a crawl for my mom. I
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Speaker 3: hogged red pepper, I mean red oil. I hogged pepper
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Speaker 3: for four so many things just to survive.
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Speaker 1: Pologically, Yes, where did that put you? And how did
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Speaker 1: you come up?
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Speaker 3: I know that at the time, I may not know
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Speaker 3: that I was poor, but I know that I so
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Speaker 3: far lose self esting. I didn't feel like I was
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Speaker 3: in dis same class with anybody. So I was always
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Speaker 3: ready for bully in class. I was always ready. It
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Speaker 3: was so bad.
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Speaker 1: You know, I should add this, you see, to be
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Speaker 1: able to match up with your colleague. And there is
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Speaker 1: a basic level of self awareness that you need. Oh, yes,
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Speaker 1: at least a minimal level. Basic level that you need,
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Speaker 1: and that oftentimes doesn't just come from the assurance my parents.
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Speaker 1: It comes from your environment. Yes, the quality of things
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Speaker 1: that you see the quality of people that you relate to.
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Speaker 1: So the issue with lack is this. It's not just
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Speaker 1: that your pocket is dry. It is the fact that
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Speaker 1: it puts you in the position where, even when something
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Speaker 1: is available and free, you just conclude it is not
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Speaker 1: for oh.
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Speaker 3: Yes, so it is.
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Speaker 1: It is a system that can shut you up from
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Speaker 1: daring to do certain things and keep you fighting those
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Speaker 1: do it oh yes, and leave you wondering why you
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Speaker 1: didn't do it.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: So you can look at certain jobs and while you
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Speaker 1: have the requirements, just conclude it is not for her.
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Speaker 3: I want to say something to that effect because I
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Speaker 3: remember that when I was in the university, I started
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Speaker 3: to make money. That's a long story up to that board.
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Speaker 3: I started to make money for my skill. So I
20:44
Speaker 3: remember getting paid going for an interview and I was
20:48
Speaker 3: told that, okay, it's the writing job. I would be
20:51
Speaker 3: writing delivery about ten articles per day and I was
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Speaker 3: to be paid one award. It was a lot of
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Speaker 3: money for me at the time. One it's not like
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Speaker 3: many years ago, just twenty sixteen.
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Speaker 1: Here one a lot of work.
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Speaker 3: It was lots of money for me at the time, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, because there was a time and let me tell
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Speaker 1: you what I'm saying this. I there was a time
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Speaker 1: my condition was so bad I was writing research for
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Speaker 1: people their project in school. So I understand when you
21:21
Speaker 1: say one, oh, yes, that's writing a lot more like
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Speaker 1: and a bad B A CIVI starch was you know,
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Speaker 1: bringing you m.
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Speaker 3: Less than that.
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Speaker 2: There was a lot of money to.
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Speaker 3: Me at the time. Wow, and I would It's not
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Speaker 3: like there were no opportunities at the time that I
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Speaker 3: could apply for what they came with the gammoney, and
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Speaker 3: I didn't think I deserved them. Now that I look back,
21:51
Speaker 3: that I could apply for and get them easily because
21:54
Speaker 3: I had this skill, I had what it took, what
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Speaker 3: it takes, but I could not apply for them because
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Speaker 3: I didn't feel like I deserved to get these jobs.
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Speaker 1: Do you know this culture way important? People send you
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Speaker 1: a message the fact that you feel what am I
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Speaker 1: to chat with this and you just both out of
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Speaker 1: the conversation. It looks you rud off, but internally self.
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Speaker 3: Under it has happened to me. I don't want to
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Speaker 3: mention their name, but there is one on top of
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Speaker 3: my head now. I could not even continue the conversation
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Speaker 3: because I was like at the end of the day,
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Speaker 3: they're not going to pick me, they're not going to
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Speaker 3: work with me. So I just let it go. I
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Speaker 3: have the evidence of how do.
22:38
Speaker 2: You go come into an environment like the university, where
22:41
Speaker 2: you know, you have people of all classes come around.
22:45
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's not of our classes in a general public university.
22:49
Speaker 1: If you look at the true sales, did you come
22:54
Speaker 1: to a lot of mentioned names? There you go.
22:58
Speaker 2: To the greatest.
22:59
Speaker 1: I don't measure you. Those who watch the toilet. When
23:07
Speaker 1: they wake up in the morning to watch the toilet,
23:10
Speaker 1: they begin with curses. Are you lot?
23:14
Speaker 4: You have used this place? It's all not be this,
23:16
Speaker 4: It's that it's all of you who came to this
23:20
Speaker 4: compound to study. You will come out with this another
23:24
Speaker 4: and they started reading curses. That's what both male and female.
23:31
Speaker 1: You see. We've been able to brand many things for
23:36
Speaker 1: what they are mm hmmm, because that's the best we
23:39
Speaker 1: can afford. It is the site of that, the bearing
23:45
Speaker 1: of those things. The fact that when you wake up
23:48
Speaker 1: in your ho stele, an average person by your bunk
23:53
Speaker 1: is about to use a kind of hooker that they
23:57
Speaker 1: will connect the wire. Oh my god, if there's AI.
24:03
Speaker 1: This is z in a way that if you try
24:08
Speaker 1: to touch that part of beings, the owner. Yes, the
24:13
Speaker 1: fact that you come out of those places and look
24:16
Speaker 1: at all those things, because when we go to places,
24:18
Speaker 1: we bring our own environment, and you look at all
24:22
Speaker 1: those things. Even when you believe that you're here to study,
24:27
Speaker 1: you see, you can put so much energy in studying
24:31
Speaker 1: what you're studying, in studying your work, and when it
24:35
Speaker 1: comes to reach enough for higher height in life, you
24:39
Speaker 1: just can't find the same level of energy. Yes, yes,
24:42
Speaker 1: because of the way your mind has been fried and posted. Yes,
24:46
Speaker 1: the system abuses you. It destroys your reasoning. True, it
24:53
Speaker 1: kills your esteem mm hm, and you can't even find
24:57
Speaker 1: yourself anymore. These are issues.
25:00
Speaker 2: I really think that a lot of people do not
25:02
Speaker 2: even know that they suffer from this. They just feel like,
25:06
Speaker 2: I don't want too much out of life. I'm okay,
25:09
Speaker 2: I'm content. Maybe we'll call it contentment because I'm thinking
25:12
Speaker 2: back and I'm looking at things well before, do you
25:14
Speaker 2: know you're doing bad? I'm looking at a lot of
25:18
Speaker 2: things that I could have done. Sorry, this is might
25:21
Speaker 2: look funny, but I mean there was someone I was
25:23
Speaker 2: going to date, that I was going to ask out,
25:27
Speaker 2: but I just feel like not my classmen, and looking back,
25:31
Speaker 2: and now I'm thinking, I'm saying, there's absolutely nothing that
25:34
Speaker 2: should have stopped me from of course that's the funny example,
25:37
Speaker 2: but the only reason.
25:39
Speaker 1: I say something quite Yes, low service team can give
25:43
Speaker 1: you a spouse you celebrate to regret tomorrow. Yes, low
25:47
Speaker 1: service still can put you in the place where you
25:50
Speaker 1: marry the low budget version of your Low service still
25:55
Speaker 1: can put you in the place where you marry somebody
25:57
Speaker 1: because they look like we should have. Your service team
26:00
Speaker 1: can put you in a place where you marry somebody
26:03
Speaker 1: knowing that things are not going to be well. Of
26:05
Speaker 1: course you have to leave home. Low service team can
26:08
Speaker 1: put you in a place where you marry somebody because
26:11
Speaker 1: at least your children will look fine you when you
26:14
Speaker 1: know that they will have We call it everything else
26:17
Speaker 1: but lucifers because an average person I have not been
26:20
Speaker 1: able to diagnose it properly. Yes, wow, you see, we
26:24
Speaker 1: most understand. And this is one of things I'm trying
26:26
Speaker 1: to pass across. There's a concept called the concert fatality,
26:32
Speaker 1: is the concept of what will be will be, that
26:34
Speaker 1: God is the one who determines everything ultimately. Yet it's
26:37
Speaker 1: a very dangerous concept and sometimes we share a bit
26:41
Speaker 1: of that perspective where we believe that whatever becomes my
26:44
Speaker 1: life of black black plat towards God's design. I can
26:47
Speaker 1: tell you for the fact that you can know deep
26:50
Speaker 1: in your heart that was not God's design. You've got
26:53
Speaker 1: what you want, go a well life a position. But
26:56
Speaker 1: this is the advice. If you have done that, you
26:58
Speaker 1: just have to stay with your choice. But you can
27:01
Speaker 1: do it for the rest of your life. That I
27:04
Speaker 1: could have pursued this dream. I could have gotten better
27:07
Speaker 1: at this, I could have knocked this door. I could
27:09
Speaker 1: have built this relationship. I could have followed after this.
27:14
Speaker 1: I could have, but because I felt it's not for
27:17
Speaker 1: my can and I must tell you this. There are platforms.
27:20
Speaker 1: I find myself that I global platforms. Yes, I paid
27:24
Speaker 1: to be there, but the most important benefit I get
27:28
Speaker 1: from there is the quality of people are in their room.
27:30
Speaker 1: Because the quality of people call it of conversation, and
27:33
Speaker 1: the quality of conversation the quality of the transformation. So
27:37
Speaker 1: sometimes while we don't want to call it what it
27:39
Speaker 1: is because it is a lightly religious environment and also
27:44
Speaker 1: cultural environment. Part clearly we Africans. You you can just
27:52
Speaker 1: know that O don't know this is not what God
28:00
Speaker 1: design for you in terms of pursuit, accomplishment and all that.
28:05
Speaker 1: This is what my mindset would carry at the time
28:08
Speaker 1: the decision was made true.
28:12
Speaker 2: True. So I find also that poverty also doing a
28:16
Speaker 2: lot of emotions and sensationalism in this sentiment. Yes, in
28:20
Speaker 2: the sense that people would feel insulted if they're called poor,
28:26
Speaker 2: even though it's the reality. And you just mentioned that
28:29
Speaker 2: the first stage is even knowing diagnosing properly the situation.
28:33
Speaker 2: I mean, you have to know that this is what
28:35
Speaker 2: it is. You're in depravity, this is lack, this is
28:37
Speaker 2: not the design as it ought to be. And if
28:41
Speaker 2: someone feels emotional towards the idea of poverty, you look
28:44
Speaker 2: around your life, look around your family, and say, okay,
28:46
Speaker 2: this is poverty, this is not reality. Right, you cannot
28:49
Speaker 2: even begin the journey to freedom. Now someone says that
28:53
Speaker 2: the problem is not the problem. The problem is the solution.
28:57
Speaker 2: And this is where I want the conversation to now go.
29:01
Speaker 2: And I'll start with user. You have shared your experience
29:05
Speaker 2: on a number of occasions. I mean the times you
29:07
Speaker 2: share how that you have to sell noodles on the
29:09
Speaker 2: streets just to get by a season. Right, someone might
29:13
Speaker 2: be looking and saying, Okay, you are not in that
29:15
Speaker 2: season anymore. Why speak as do you were never there?
29:19
Speaker 1: Because the things that need to bring you out are
29:21
Speaker 1: not going to be sentimental. The things that need to
29:25
Speaker 1: bring you things that would have to appectly confront you
29:27
Speaker 1: and giving the rule awakening. Some books you read and
29:32
Speaker 1: before you haven't done with the first five pages, you're
29:36
Speaker 1: like some people you hang out with, you still may
29:42
Speaker 1: not carry their sense of self assurance and their audacity.
29:47
Speaker 1: What you know that that's exactly what I need. I
29:50
Speaker 1: think whatever pacifies you in that position cannot bring you out.
29:54
Speaker 1: And when people are talking and bringing perspective to work
29:58
Speaker 1: and bring a person out, I think it is important
30:01
Speaker 1: that the perspectives are not emotionalized. And I want to
30:05
Speaker 1: say this also that the mentality that kept you there
30:10
Speaker 1: can't take you out. True, So you need something entirely different.
30:16
Speaker 1: If you are in a situation hmm that you can't
30:25
Speaker 1: even afford to transport to yourself from one state to another,
30:30
Speaker 1: or if you take a flight to go come mm hmm,
30:36
Speaker 1: that's your network and that's stopless of even living the country.
30:46
Speaker 1: That's a prison mhm. The only difference is that the
30:50
Speaker 1: size of that prison is the size of the nation
30:52
Speaker 1: where it's difficult to accept. Sometimes, well that's a prison.
30:59
Speaker 1: If you can't do the things that you need to do,
31:02
Speaker 1: you can't go to the place that you need to
31:04
Speaker 1: go because of luck. That's a crazy and I feel
31:12
Speaker 1: it is good when it is properly understood so that
31:17
Speaker 1: now we can face the solution. And I want to
31:20
Speaker 1: say this again that if you find yourself growing up
31:27
Speaker 1: in places where there's so much deprimitive and sometimes those
31:32
Speaker 1: things you don't like to hear at the things that
31:35
Speaker 1: you need to come out.
31:37
Speaker 2: Wow, yes, sir, Wow, sure.
31:41
Speaker 3: I'm just going to say that. Is this so crastus
31:43
Speaker 3: that says, man, know yourself, because now you know where
31:49
Speaker 3: you're coming from. There are some things that others are
31:52
Speaker 3: doing that you should not even be found doing. Statements
31:55
Speaker 3: like school is come, or sleeping every time around the clock,
31:59
Speaker 3: like you don't know where you're coming from. If you're
32:02
Speaker 3: trying to beat a background that you don't want to
32:04
Speaker 3: create for your children, then you need to stand up
32:06
Speaker 3: and fight. You need to see and thank God around us,
32:10
Speaker 3: there are so many opportunities, so many opportunities to learn
32:12
Speaker 3: and develop yourself and lead yourself, because at the end
32:16
Speaker 3: of the day, if you say, if you, if you
32:19
Speaker 3: keep staying there and you're blaming your parents for the
32:21
Speaker 3: kind of life that you lived growing up, know that
32:24
Speaker 3: one day you're going to be parents to other people
32:27
Speaker 3: and they are going you are going to somebody said
32:29
Speaker 3: you are not going to be somebody's background, So that
32:32
Speaker 3: that gets prepared because there are so many there is
32:35
Speaker 3: no more excuse.
32:36
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just going to You would have to stay
32:40
Speaker 1: quite far away from the environment that keeps reminding you
32:44
Speaker 1: of your predicamments while you are fighting on many grounds.
32:50
Speaker 1: Number one, you're fighting for a change of orientation. MHM.
32:55
Speaker 1: That the way you are being programmed to see that
32:58
Speaker 1: this is our life works is not the way life works.
33:01
Speaker 1: For instance, you grew from an environment where it is
33:04
Speaker 1: either money or nothing, because what is lacking there becomes
33:08
Speaker 1: the ultimate position. She said. You find yourselfrounding organizations and
33:13
Speaker 1: running businesses and you are not talking about customer satisfaction.
33:18
Speaker 1: It's just about the money and those why elite can
33:21
Speaker 1: see it right through the small screen and immediately will
33:24
Speaker 1: reject what you brought to the table. So you want
33:26
Speaker 1: to be position your saving an environment where you know
33:30
Speaker 1: this is a need or we've got to move beyond
33:32
Speaker 1: the need, and first understand that real money is the
33:41
Speaker 1: extent of value for value. So you want to bring
33:44
Speaker 1: those two to the table and then trade with them
33:47
Speaker 1: and let money now come as a repull effect of
33:52
Speaker 1: a diision that was well made. So there is the
33:54
Speaker 1: place of change of orientation. This comes true. Books, This
33:57
Speaker 1: come true, mentorship, this comes true, association, This comes to
34:00
Speaker 1: change of environments. The fact that you've had to go
34:03
Speaker 1: through the cycle of life where these things are not available,
34:07
Speaker 1: has kill certain things in the pastor dreaming certain regards,
34:11
Speaker 1: the capes to pursuing certain regards, the capaciti relate to
34:15
Speaker 1: certain kind of people, and to see ourselves in certain lights,
34:19
Speaker 1: to believe in yourself as one who is able to
34:22
Speaker 1: do this. Those things are being killed sometimes the ash
34:26
Speaker 1: works around you. In fact, the chance of pursuing the
34:29
Speaker 1: wrong things is higher depend on environment. That I agreeing up.
34:32
Speaker 1: Because now you are programmed to study a course in
34:36
Speaker 1: school because this is like it will make you get
34:39
Speaker 1: a certain job and solve this problem and all that.
34:44
Speaker 1: And so you you're fighting now the fight of esteem,
34:49
Speaker 1: and so you begin to now relate to people you
34:52
Speaker 1: know in different regards. My head. Someone say that if
34:56
Speaker 1: you have four fully people as friends, you didn't count.
35:00
Speaker 1: So now you want to put yourself and put yourself
35:02
Speaker 1: in the environment where your esteem has been boosted. It's
35:05
Speaker 1: going to be uncomfortable before it starts because the people
35:08
Speaker 1: who carry the presence to affect your orientation. Sometimes you
35:15
Speaker 1: have been wired to pass them as proud. Yes, you
35:18
Speaker 1: have been wired to fight them. The way they say
35:21
Speaker 1: what they say, the way they do what they do.
35:25
Speaker 1: It can confront something in you in a way that
35:27
Speaker 1: you just want to shut them down or get out
35:30
Speaker 1: of the platform, block their contact. But those are the
35:33
Speaker 1: reason you need. So you have to put yourself in
35:39
Speaker 1: that place where you say, well, on a minute, it's
35:41
Speaker 1: either my future of my emotions and my ventue is
35:44
Speaker 1: best to pick your future? You see. Another very important
35:48
Speaker 1: thing is that you want to check for the choices
35:51
Speaker 1: who may because of the environment to find yourself. Both
35:53
Speaker 1: of these choices are changeable. Y mean you, for instance, wow,
35:57
Speaker 1: sometimes the choice of career. There are there are choices
36:00
Speaker 1: that you made that you have to check who is
36:03
Speaker 1: the best in this field and what does that person
36:05
Speaker 1: look like? If you get to an office to work,
36:10
Speaker 1: it is important you study who has been here for
36:13
Speaker 1: the for the longest, for the longest, let's say ten years,
36:17
Speaker 1: twenty years. Get the number of them plus of minors.
36:22
Speaker 1: That's your future. If that doesn't look like where you
36:25
Speaker 1: want to go, Wow, Sometimes you've got to change u part. Wow.
36:28
Speaker 1: And sometimes it takes having some play. Won't take carrier paths.
36:31
Speaker 1: So the ords are quite against you. So you need
36:34
Speaker 1: the relationships that can We need contact. You need people
36:38
Speaker 1: that can carry you because you've been able to swallow
36:43
Speaker 1: your pride that it's coming from nothing to be able
36:47
Speaker 1: to build those relationships. So and I also do like
36:52
Speaker 1: to say this also that the one whose names can
36:55
Speaker 1: open doors you can't afford to treate around there. Wow.
36:58
Speaker 1: So you want to come again with the one whose
37:01
Speaker 1: names Camberpon does Yet you can't afford to Anyhow. I've
37:05
Speaker 1: seen people use the brand they are trying to build
37:08
Speaker 1: to throw people on life. The names they are not
37:10
Speaker 1: viueiled to drag people. They will drag people that they
37:14
Speaker 1: will never need help from because there is the bandwagon effect.
37:21
Speaker 1: If you know there is an addache that the child
37:24
Speaker 1: have a mother, she's not saying you if you know
37:27
Speaker 1: that you don't know where everyone is coming from. There
37:30
Speaker 1: are times you can't do what they're doing because sometimes
37:33
Speaker 1: their own advantages your disadvantage. Now you are fighting for
37:36
Speaker 1: your life. Oh yes, and the battle is read forget
37:40
Speaker 1: about any sentiment to break out of the cycle of luck.
37:46
Speaker 1: It's a very tedious things. It's it's it is almost
37:51
Speaker 1: as though you are fighting for your very existence because
37:54
Speaker 1: this situation threatens it. So you you want to make
37:59
Speaker 1: sure you do things differently and value people. Don't just
38:05
Speaker 1: go out to pursue the money. Genuinely value people, Genuinely
38:10
Speaker 1: value knowledge, genuinly value broth because everything you need on
38:14
Speaker 1: the other side of true yes.
38:17
Speaker 2: True, Wow, my god, I just want to I wanted
38:21
Speaker 2: to speak to this. I find that and you've mentioned
38:24
Speaker 2: a number of times one of the effects of poverty
38:28
Speaker 2: in people is that there's a tendency to overcompens it.
38:33
Speaker 2: Where there's deprivaty, whatever you are deprived of the most
38:37
Speaker 2: becomes your utmost pursuit, and then when you get there,
38:39
Speaker 2: you have tendency to overcompensate.
38:43
Speaker 1: Over compensation is the reason why once a new wife
38:46
Speaker 1: phone concert want to prove all we're using it. Over
38:50
Speaker 1: compensation is the reason why you'll take the phone and
38:53
Speaker 1: didn't what I put us on it. Over compensation is
38:58
Speaker 1: the reason why you use the money you don't have.
39:01
Speaker 1: It is almost the size of yours to buy a
39:04
Speaker 1: zool and remain the club just to prove over compensation
39:09
Speaker 1: is what makes you get the things that are not
39:11
Speaker 1: ready for because you have suffered while you're not even
39:15
Speaker 1: making plan to come out of the poverty. So there's
39:18
Speaker 1: an adding that when the chance plays get money, they
39:20
Speaker 1: use the money to buy his cake. It is also
39:23
Speaker 1: the reason why if you see an average on the street,
39:26
Speaker 1: you can't tell because in to show that he has.
39:29
Speaker 1: But there's a kind of just there's the kind of
39:31
Speaker 1: ship you will, there's the kind of kind there's a
39:34
Speaker 1: kind of want, and there is a way I want
39:35
Speaker 1: to do the just to put toys around and show that.
39:42
Speaker 1: That's the concept of a compensation. It's you see and
39:48
Speaker 1: I say what you're meanity and those who know those
39:51
Speaker 1: old money doesn't shows. I've seen people buy cars and
39:56
Speaker 1: buy the car and by speaker not speaker, now they
40:05
Speaker 1: will get aunt. Addition to why is speaker in the
40:11
Speaker 1: US should that by the time they drive boom boom
40:14
Speaker 1: boom boo boom. Why is that? Mm oh, nothing makes
40:19
Speaker 1: nos like luck.
40:21
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, nothing makes noise like luck.
40:28
Speaker 1: What there is another deala mm hmm. You see, we
40:32
Speaker 1: talk about over compensation, but when you have dealt with property,
40:35
Speaker 1: you also want that negotiation.
40:37
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
40:39
Speaker 1: It's the reason why you have value to offer and
40:42
Speaker 1: you cannot even tell them what you deserve. Oh yes,
40:46
Speaker 1: I call it the Jacob syndrome. When you look at
40:49
Speaker 1: seven years of your life, I really wow wow. So
40:52
Speaker 1: when you have that negotiates you may even have a
40:54
Speaker 1: program you have of course, you have a product and
40:58
Speaker 1: you are going to put it out at a disrespectful rate.
41:03
Speaker 1: You will blow the boundaries, you will under charge you
41:08
Speaker 1: over the liver. You get burned out, you get angry,
41:13
Speaker 1: you get offended because the people, the same people you
41:15
Speaker 1: have lower the standard FO will not respect. They are
41:19
Speaker 1: getting far more than you are collecting, which is sometimes
41:24
Speaker 1: looking at what is the fact that you don't have
41:28
Speaker 1: your audacity to negotiate your words because you don't feel
41:33
Speaker 1: you decided. Yes, it's the way many wople start their business.
41:41
Speaker 2: I've asked you a number of times. You know, people
41:43
Speaker 2: have asked you also, and my supers I said, why
41:46
Speaker 2: are you bold enough to do the things you do?
41:48
Speaker 2: And your response every time you didn't know, or you
41:52
Speaker 2: probably this way?
41:54
Speaker 1: You did?
41:54
Speaker 2: You know you were supposed to be afraid to do them?
41:57
Speaker 2: How did you get now you you're not born like this? Really,
42:01
Speaker 2: how did you build audacity? Thing that you came from
42:06
Speaker 2: the background that was probably not you know, the most famblant.
42:10
Speaker 2: How did you build audacity when.
42:12
Speaker 1: Life pushes you to the world where is zero? Mm hm.
42:16
Speaker 1: You know sometimes and I think I have a very
42:24
Speaker 1: clemental picture of the future that in the nearest future
42:28
Speaker 1: your opinion doesn't count. This is my decision that matters
42:33
Speaker 1: in the nearest future. Your opinion doesn't count about my life.
42:37
Speaker 1: It's that counts, true true opinion.
42:42
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
42:43
Speaker 1: It's the season of its relevance is brief speaking, so
42:49
Speaker 1: and it's not like it's relevant, just that's loud. So
42:53
Speaker 1: I make decisions for the future that will not ask
42:55
Speaker 1: why I do because of you. The future is brute,
43:01
Speaker 1: so is history. And you've studied the street. That's also
43:04
Speaker 1: where we're great. It doesn't matter we say what who
43:08
Speaker 1: feels this or who feels that? Those who shape the
43:11
Speaker 1: future don't pay attention to they say so, I thank
43:15
Speaker 1: God for you, you look good, but it don't matter.
43:19
Speaker 1: And everyone I have opinion about the life their own life.
43:22
Speaker 1: So eventually we're all busy with that, either all busy
43:26
Speaker 1: with our success or busy with our video. So at
43:29
Speaker 1: the end of the day, when you don't saying what
43:31
Speaker 1: you're saying, you go back to your problems. I go
43:34
Speaker 1: back to mind. So why should he count?
43:36
Speaker 2: Finally, what is the world? In simple terms? Someone is watching?
43:41
Speaker 1: In the rare cases, people can come out a day
43:43
Speaker 1: at the time once, but I think coming out is
43:47
Speaker 1: a day at the time. Little learning here, little chan
43:51
Speaker 1: preentation here. But I recommend mentorship mm hmm. I recommend
43:58
Speaker 1: writing on the shoulders of those who have walked the
44:01
Speaker 1: path you're trying. You have worked, you're walking those who's
44:06
Speaker 1: today and who's yesterday is your own today, who have
44:12
Speaker 1: survived it because you don't want to use your own
44:14
Speaker 1: life doing trial and error. Those who have perspective. There
44:18
Speaker 1: are times that just a statement said impassible, an experienced
44:22
Speaker 1: mind can rescue from teny years of mistake. So you
44:26
Speaker 1: want to be deliberate and don't be emotional about your
44:31
Speaker 1: small circle that has nothing to offer. To bring you up,
44:37
Speaker 1: you have to be a deliberate person who is very
44:40
Speaker 1: intentional about the quality of knowledge, the quality of people,
44:45
Speaker 1: the quality of environment that will bring that change in
44:48
Speaker 1: perspective and then ultimately changing direction and then changing results.
44:56
Speaker 1: While you are at it, must understand that the most
44:59
Speaker 1: difficult place to rise from is among those that you
45:02
Speaker 1: are small together. The more your imitation change, the more
45:07
Speaker 1: they fight you, the more you become bold, the more
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Speaker 1: they see arrogance. They will not even patorgnize their kind
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Speaker 1: so that their kind can write they are both in lack.
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Speaker 1: They would rather go spend the money somewhere else and
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Speaker 1: then reaching those already rich. So you're going to face
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Speaker 1: a lot of develop disappointments, and even people that are
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Speaker 1: becoming strong so as to be help to you might
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Speaker 1: be the one also to trap you. But you must
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Speaker 1: always the reason why you started fighting. And if you
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Speaker 1: don't fight till you win, you're excusing the future will
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Speaker 1: make no sense.
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Speaker 2: True. Yeah, sure, I just want to say thank you
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Speaker 2: for this time. Yeah, speaking with you guys, thank you,
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Speaker 2: thank you speaking with you guys. And I'm sure that
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Speaker 2: everyone watching this is so super grateful for the Stump
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Speaker 2: shared everything.
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