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Monday Mini: What's Happening with Deportations in the US? · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I never told you a prediction of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: And before we start this Monday, Mini, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: put a time stamp because we are a little ahead
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  Speaker 2: so getting things completed because we have future plans. So
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  Speaker 2: today is April first, twenty twenty five. And as it stands,
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  Speaker 2: you know, things change rapidly and we will see new
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  Speaker 2: conversations about this, because this is going to.
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  Speaker 3: Be a long, long process.
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  Speaker 2: So before we start, I am in just to show
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  Speaker 2: you know where I am personally, a whirlwind of anxiety
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  Speaker 2: and fear, and I'm not gonna lie. As this new
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  Speaker 2: administration or newer I guess this current administration has gotten
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  Speaker 2: more embolden and doing things without justification or even actually legally,
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  Speaker 2: I am in a state of fear. So as this
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  Speaker 2: episode is being recorded, I'm currently getting ready for a
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  Speaker 2: quick road trip to New Orleans, one of my favorite places.
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  Speaker 2: But I have become really anxious about traveling, especially traveling
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  Speaker 2: through Red states.
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  Speaker 3: And I say this even in the state of Georgia.
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  Speaker 2: I have had my fair share of racial profiling overall,
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  Speaker 2: concerning looks from people who do not seem especially friendly
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  Speaker 2: to people of color, marginalized people, anyone different. And although
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  Speaker 2: I come from an area that is also very suspicious
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  Speaker 2: of anyone of color or anybody who looks different, I
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  Speaker 2: feel like this administration has made people really bowld in
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  Speaker 2: upfront about these political views or ideals when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to the decimation of civil rights and.
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  Speaker 3: DEI so with that.
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  Speaker 2: Fact, and then on top of that, we have white
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  Speaker 2: supremaist groups, white supremacist groups getting funding to get military training,
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  Speaker 2: which is really concerning. They're often protected by police and government.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen that with different types of protests that have
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  Speaker 2: happened and being pardoned for harassment, assaults, and even murder.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, I am very fearful about things. And with that,
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  Speaker 2: I have gotten into the practice of carrying my passport
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  Speaker 2: around on the daily in fear of being approached by ice.
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  Speaker 2: And recent stories have been coming out of different people
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  Speaker 2: who've been detained without warrants or due process and being
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  Speaker 2: essentially kidnapped and sold due to their ideology. The same
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  Speaker 2: people who are saying that it would happen to them
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  Speaker 2: if their holy beliefs had been used against them, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, they also use this and saying that they're martyrs,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and that they're being persecuted. They're the same
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  Speaker 2: defenders who are cheering this on, saying that this is
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  Speaker 2: God's will and they're getting rid of the bad people,
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  Speaker 2: so bad beings essentially, if you don't believe what I
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  Speaker 2: believe is what we're getting at, labeling anyone as terrorist
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  Speaker 2: if they question the motives or actions of the current
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  Speaker 2: administration and their allies, and using this as a defense
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  Speaker 2: of trafficking people out.
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  Speaker 3: So with all of that, this is very.
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  Speaker 2: Personal to me. I'm not gonna go into too much detail.
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  Speaker 2: I will say a lot of adoptees, like myself, have
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  Speaker 2: been very concerned for a long time because it's been
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  Speaker 2: really sticky in situations like naturalization in the process of
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  Speaker 2: doing it and people being ignorant to how that is
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  Speaker 2: completed and done. And then just recently again more so
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  Speaker 2: now to the fact that I've been on message boards
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  Speaker 2: with adoptees talking about their heritage, talking about be careful
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  Speaker 2: of what you put up on social media. And of
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  Speaker 2: course this is just to everyone, but specifically to adoptees
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  Speaker 2: because it could be used against them. So yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: very very personal. So just from the National Immigration Law Center, quote.
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  Speaker 2: In January twenty twenty five, DHS issued a memo expanding
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  Speaker 2: the use of expedited removal. Under this policy, the government
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  Speaker 2: can detain and depoor people without seeing a judge if
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  Speaker 2: they cannot prove they've lived in the United States for
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  Speaker 2: at least two years. Undocumented people should carry evidence of
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  Speaker 2: two years residency if they have it, if they are arrested,
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  Speaker 2: show it to an officer to prevent deportation without a
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  Speaker 2: chance to see a judge. There's a lot to be
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  Speaker 2: alarmed about this, but one thing to remember there have
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  Speaker 2: been instances that I does not care about your proof
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  Speaker 2: or if you are found somewhere without your ID, they
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  Speaker 2: don't wait around. Also, a lot of them go forward
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  Speaker 2: going after people without warrants or documents and go and
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  Speaker 2: again nothing as signed by a judge, So they do
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  Speaker 2: not care. Literally to the point that someone was recently
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  Speaker 2: detained and there said I am a Green card holder,
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  Speaker 2: and they said your green card has been revoked. That's
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  Speaker 2: all they said. They didn't show anything, they didn't prove anything,
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  Speaker 2: they didn't take them in front of anyone, they didn't
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  Speaker 2: allow for lawyers, nothing, and that was enough, and they
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  Speaker 2: got detained and they were lost in the system for
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  Speaker 2: a good long time. Turned out they were in border
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  Speaker 2: patrol incarceration detainee in Louisiana and a jail in there,
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  Speaker 2: an institution there, and I think they're still there. There
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  Speaker 2: are several people who have actually been deported to El Salvador,
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  Speaker 2: and that's a whole different conversation that we're not having today,
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  Speaker 2: but it's concerning and we should be talking about in
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  Speaker 2: current affairs.
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  Speaker 3: And there have been.
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  Speaker 2: Also those who've been detained again who have just had
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  Speaker 2: their visas revoked. So, yes, are these people who are
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  Speaker 2: here quote unquote legally, which you know we hate that
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  Speaker 2: term in general, but as for all purposes whatever, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: they had their visas, they had their sponsorship, everything was
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  Speaker 2: legally done, and they were revoked. Many of them were
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  Speaker 2: detained at their university or on their university campus or
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  Speaker 2: near their campus, which is a conversation again that we
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  Speaker 2: need to have as well about the fact that these universities,
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  Speaker 2: prestigious schools are conceding and bowing down before actual need.
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  Speaker 3: So that says a lot.
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  Speaker 2: And the basis is a large conversation about the much
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  Speaker 2: beloved and hated idea of free speech. Once again, something
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  Speaker 2: that the right wing community often holler about, I have
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  Speaker 2: free speech, what's matter with free speech?
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  Speaker 3: But that's only for me if I'm white and Christian conservative.
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  Speaker 2: But again, so why are they being detained and deported?
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  Speaker 2: Here's a bit from cbsnews dot Com with an article
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  Speaker 2: published on March thirty. First Quote Secretary of State Mark
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  Speaker 2: Rubio cited a provision in the Immigration and Nationality Act
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  Speaker 2: that authorizes the nation's top diplomat to revoke the visas
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  Speaker 2: of foreign national students on the ground that their presence
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  Speaker 2: or activities have quote potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences
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  Speaker 2: for the US. The federal government is not required to
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  Speaker 2: lay out proof beyond that explanation, legal experts told CBS News,
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  Speaker 2: setting up a legal showdown over foreign nationals free speech
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  Speaker 2: rights in the US. Quote, there's a tension between everyone's
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  Speaker 2: First Amendment rights to free speech and the immigration statutes
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  Speaker 2: broad provisions giving the Secretary of State broad latitude to
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  Speaker 2: declare someone deportable simply because he thinks that the student
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  Speaker 2: may have potential serious adverse foreign policies consequences, and the
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  Speaker 2: courts will have to figure out where the appropriate line
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  Speaker 2: should be drawn, says Steven Yelle Lare, a retired immigration
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  Speaker 2: law professor of Cornell University. Rubio said Thursday the State
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  Speaker 2: Department has canceled more than three hundred visas and that
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  Speaker 2: there are primarily student visas. Several high profile cases are
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  Speaker 2: related to students who led or participated in pro Palestinian
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  Speaker 2: activities and disruptive protests, which the administration has equated to
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  Speaker 2: activity supporting hamas a US designated terrorist group. So one
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  Speaker 2: of the protests, I'm talking about our citizens. They had
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  Speaker 2: several cit ins and walkouts of classes, very very very violent.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry haasm.
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  Speaker 2: Also as a reminder, one of the people who were deported,
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  Speaker 2: Mohammad Khalil, was a student at Columbia University and a
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  Speaker 2: Green card holder, which is a legal permanent resident, so
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  Speaker 2: permanent is currently again detained. Some more from the CBS
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  Speaker 2: News article, they write Khalil was born in Palestine refugee
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  Speaker 2: camp in Syria, has a green card or legal permanent residency,
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  Speaker 2: and his wife is an American citizen. Immigration authorities initially
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  Speaker 2: told Khalil that they were acting on a Security Department
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  Speaker 2: order to revoke his student visa, but when they were
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  Speaker 2: informed that he had a green card, the agent said
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  Speaker 2: they were revoking that, and that's just according to his attorney.
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  Speaker 2: The article continues. Green cards, however, cannot be rescinded as
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  Speaker 2: simply as visas. The government suggests in a court filing
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  Speaker 2: earlier this week that it could move to revoke his
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  Speaker 2: status for allegedly omitting information on his immigration forms, including
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  Speaker 2: his involvement with the United Nations Agency for Palestinian Refugees
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  Speaker 2: known as UNRWA in a group known as Columbia University
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  Speaker 2: Apartheid Divests. But at the core of the US government's
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  Speaker 2: detention and aim deportation of Khalil is a rarely used
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  Speaker 2: section of the Immigration and Nationality Act that subjects non
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  Speaker 2: citizens to possible deportations if their presence and activities are
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  Speaker 2: deemed threatening to the foreign policy interests of the US.
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  Speaker 2: So a lot of this is just on the fly,
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  Speaker 2: And this is one of the conversations again that I
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  Speaker 2: was really really concerned by, because naturalization is also under
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  Speaker 2: that same conversation that if they see you as a
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  Speaker 2: terrorist group, if they name you as someone who is
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  Speaker 2: plotting against the government, and that could be as easily
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  Speaker 2: stated as you were in a protest that they did
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  Speaker 2: not like. So a lot of this is just like
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  Speaker 2: what is going on. And by the way, the same
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  Speaker 2: law has been used to detain Georgetown University researcher I'm
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  Speaker 2: so sorry I forgot the name on Badar Khan, as
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  Speaker 2: well as another Columbia University student and legal permanent resident,
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  Speaker 2: Yun Soo Chung, who is a Korean American Green cardholder.
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  Speaker 2: So there's so many more who are being detained. There's
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  Speaker 2: a huge list. And obviously, as we said, three hundred
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  Speaker 2: visas were revoked. The amount of people who are being
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  Speaker 2: detained that are American citizens are actually really concerning. They
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  Speaker 2: don't have a number because they don't have to. They
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  Speaker 2: don't even have to tell a judge as in fact,
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  Speaker 2: so again they are deported, detained under the guise of
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  Speaker 2: terrorism or a threat to foreign policy and coming back
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  Speaker 2: into the country from even visiting or even visiting the
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  Speaker 2: country has put many people under suspicion, with widespread conversations
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  Speaker 2: about how to lock down your phones, as the government
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  Speaker 2: has the right to search your phones upon entry, re
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  Speaker 2: entry of the country, entry or re entry the way,
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  Speaker 2: many have been pulled aside for lengthy questioning. Many who
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  Speaker 2: have stated they were profiled by TSA yes, chunk of
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  Speaker 2: them are people of color, and many other nations have
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  Speaker 2: advised their people not to travel to the US and
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  Speaker 2: or a given travel advisory from an article from conte
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  Speaker 2: Nast Travel, which I thought was interesting they wrote following
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  Speaker 2: these incidents, Canada and several European countries have issued travel
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  Speaker 2: advisories for the US. While most of the government warnings
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  Speaker 2: don't specify why they were added, the timing points to
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  Speaker 2: the Trump administration's executive orders regarding immigration and tightening of
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  Speaker 2: border policies.
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  Speaker 3: I also want to put right here.
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  Speaker 2: When I was trying to look up these conversations of
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  Speaker 2: these articles, the initial when I would just put like
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  Speaker 2: names popped up the state government guidelines. So I found
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  Speaker 2: that very suspicious because usually you'll get hot topic stuff
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  Speaker 2: at the top of searches, all of a sudden, they're
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  Speaker 2: not there. I had to be very specific in finding
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  Speaker 2: these articles alarming. We already know where Google is on
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  Speaker 2: the side of this administration. They have been the knee
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  Speaker 2: We've had this conversation, so it's showing just an FYI.
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  Speaker 2: So with that and some of the warnings that we
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  Speaker 2: were talking about are due to the recent anti trans policies,
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  Speaker 2: but put in place by the administration.
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  Speaker 3: Quote.
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  Speaker 2: The heightened advisories come after citizens from European countries have
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  Speaker 2: been detained and deported by immigration officials while traveling to
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  Speaker 2: the United States. Some of the warnings also know that
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  Speaker 2: the State Department has also suspended its policy allowing transgender
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  Speaker 2: intersects and non binary people to update the sex field
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  Speaker 2: on their passwords, eliminating the X marker as an option. So, yes,
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  Speaker 2: this is a huge conversation. We know that several Canadians
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  Speaker 2: have been detained. We know that several people from Germany
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  Speaker 2: have been detained. So yeah, this is a huge, huge,
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  Speaker 2: very worrisome conversation. My family wants to travel outside of
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  Speaker 2: the US, and I am very much backing out in
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  Speaker 2: concerns to this. And here's this level of like, not
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  Speaker 2: because I did anything wrong, but because of my stance
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  Speaker 2: and beliefs that I am scared that they are going
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  Speaker 2: to use this podcast against me, my job against me.
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  Speaker 2: You know, things that I have said in light of
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  Speaker 2: wanting to see better humanity in conversations where I ask
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  Speaker 2: why police have been shooting innocent black people, or why
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  Speaker 2: millions of civilians are dying in this supposed terrorist war
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  Speaker 2: on hamas when it's seemingly not that way. How humanitarian
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  Speaker 2: aid trucks are being bombed and being deterred from entering
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  Speaker 2: places to help civilians. Once again, like, there's so many conversations,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm not ashamed of these point of views, but
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  Speaker 2: I am concerned that where the US is turning, and
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  Speaker 2: knowing that I am a naturalized citizen, that fact I
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  Speaker 2: was brought here.
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  Speaker 3: By white people, very conservative white people who voted for
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  Speaker 3: this fool dude person dot dot dot. So there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot to be talking about. I know we're gonna have
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  Speaker 3: any more.
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  Speaker 2: There are challenges happening, but the concern to that also
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  Speaker 2: is the fact that they the administration does not care. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and then this bigger conversation about the fact because the
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  Speaker 2: administration are mad at the judges for not upholding his
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  Speaker 2: or even questioning their authority, they are talking about changing
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  Speaker 2: the judicial system, which the Supreme Court has allowed, and
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  Speaker 2: now some of the people of Supreme.
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  Speaker 3: Court are like, ooh, you can't do what. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of concern.
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  Speaker 2: I will update you when I'm back about how the
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  Speaker 2: travel goes. I again, I hope that I'm just I'm
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  Speaker 2: not being paranoid. But I hope that I'm just being
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  Speaker 2: a little bit overleagle, little too concerned, and that it'll
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  Speaker 2: be fine. But as I said, driving through some of
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  Speaker 2: these red states that have sundowntown still again, Georgia does too.
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  Speaker 2: Georgia does too, which is also why I don't like
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  Speaker 2: to travel outs out of Atlanta too often. In going
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  Speaker 2: to Louisiana, which is a red state, but Louisiana has
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  Speaker 2: some amazing things happened this week last week when they
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  Speaker 2: fought against some amendments, very conservative amendments. Go ahead, Louisiana,
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  Speaker 2: proud of you, but going into an area and hoping
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  Speaker 2: for my safety and other people's safety in general, and
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  Speaker 2: how to support businesses that are being affected.
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  Speaker 3: By the administration. Again, I also had Annie.
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  Speaker 2: I had already told Annie that I had all these
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  Speaker 2: subjects that I was thinking about talking about. And another
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  Speaker 2: one was how do you travel to red states like ours,
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  Speaker 2: but do it in a conscious moral way without supporting
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  Speaker 2: the policies and the things of the government of that
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  Speaker 2: state seems to be doing. That's another conversation as well.
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  Speaker 1: That's a big one. Yeah, this is why these Monday
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  Speaker 1: minis get away from most frequently it's difficult.
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  Speaker 3: So many things.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, there are well. I hope you have a
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  Speaker 1: lovely time.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: You and I will be in touch. I am dog
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  Speaker 1: I have I don't know if I would keep this
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  Speaker 1: promise to myself, but I swore to myself I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: watch any horror movies. So we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: That's gonna be interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, but as always, listeners, if you have any
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