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Matty J's Vasectomy Backflip · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken Plus. It's your extra dose
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  Speaker 1: of the hottest influencer and pop culture news.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show.
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  Speaker 1: The Australian open influencer dilemma and Maddie J's vasectomy backflip.
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  Speaker 1: But first, Sammy Robinson has been named the global face
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  Speaker 1: of Bondi Sands. The fashion label founder announced the news
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram saying 18-year-old Sammy is screaming.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it's a great pick by Bondi Sands
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  Speaker 2: because she really epitomizes the brand. She's a perfect face
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  Speaker 2: for it. She's been working with them for over 10
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  Speaker 2: years now. And she explained that this is a year
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  Speaker 2: long role. So she's never actually been an ambassador before.
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  Speaker 2: And Bondi Sands has four different ambassadors. So there's two
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  Speaker 2: US ambassadors. They are the Mian twins. And then Chloe
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  Speaker 2: Burrows from Love Island UK is the UK ambassador. So
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  Speaker 2: they all had a big event in Sydney recently where
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  Speaker 2: Sammy was in attendance. And Sammy vlogged from the event
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  Speaker 2: and I am a sucker for a Sammy Robinson vlog. Kate,
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  Speaker 2: you said that you can't think of anyone else who'd
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  Speaker 2: be a good Bondi Sands ambassador.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a bit offended.
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  Speaker 1: I have literally been repping Bondi Sands, I'd say for
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  Speaker 1: 10 years as well, but I don't always do a
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  Speaker 1: good job of doing it myself.
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  Speaker 2: As OGs will know from quite a few years.
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  Speaker 1: Ago now, the incident at Audi where my Pants were
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  Speaker 1: flipped inside out and I had a green tan going on.
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  Speaker 2: That's not really the look they're going for, is it?
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  Speaker 1: That actually wasn't Bondi Sands' fault as well. It's because
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  Speaker 1: I didn't realise, well, not I didn't realise, I'm lazy
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  Speaker 1: and I never used to wash my glove and apparently
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  Speaker 1: if you leave it to fester for too long, You
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  Speaker 1: then end up wiping old tan on yourself that's turned green.
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  Speaker 1: That's a bit of a fun fact for anyone out
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  Speaker 1: there who's learning to, well, starting to tan for the
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  Speaker 1: first time.
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  Speaker 2: Surely most people clean their glove after using it. Like
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  Speaker 2: that's not really a hack, is it? Because you just
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  Speaker 2: said like a complete grub again, Sophie, like the time
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  Speaker 2: you admitted that you didn't wash your towels.
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  Speaker 1: I actually think a lot of people wouldn't wash theirs
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  Speaker 1: after every use. I mean, when you're an avid fake
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  Speaker 1: tanner like myself and you do it on the regular
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  Speaker 1: every week, it gets you know, once you're covered in tan,
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  Speaker 1: you don't then want to wash it off because you
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  Speaker 1: don't want to get water on yourself. I saw in
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  Speaker 1: a recent vlog with Zoe Ray, a UK influencer, and
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  Speaker 1: she was asking her husband, Danny Ray, if she should
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  Speaker 1: tan before a High Rocks event.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, no, no, please, you really don't need to tan.
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  Speaker 2: And she's like, Danny doesn't like the orange elbows and knees.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh my gosh, that's hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of men don't. They probably didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to put up with the smell either.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: My husband always gets upset when I say it's tanning night.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, I just can't stand the smell. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I also use Bondi Sands, but I used to love
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  Speaker 2: loving tan, but it's so much more expensive that I
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  Speaker 2: kind of had to downgrade to Bondi Sands. It's funny
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  Speaker 2: because when Sammy was talking in her vlog before she
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  Speaker 2: said that she was the Bondi Sands ambassador, I actually
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  Speaker 2: was thinking that her tan looked a bit funny on
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  Speaker 2: her hands and then she did a photo shoot for
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  Speaker 2: them and it looked different. I'm assuming that they maybe
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  Speaker 2: got like a professional in to spray it. But it
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  Speaker 2: is so hard to tan your hands, right? Oh, I
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  Speaker 2: never can.
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  Speaker 1: I used to get told that it looked like I
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  Speaker 1: had white gloves on because I'd always wash my hands
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  Speaker 1: after because, you know, during the night when you go
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  Speaker 1: to the bathroom, etc.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, it was not a good look at all.
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  Speaker 2: My husband's also.
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  Speaker 1: Told me in the past that I look like an
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  Speaker 1: avatar because sometimes I'll come out just fully in the nude,
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  Speaker 1: just with the tan on just to make him laugh.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I just put so much on and it just, it
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  Speaker 2: just looks so bad. Isn't that a humbling experience, particularly
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  Speaker 2: postpartum doing a tan in front of a mirror nude?
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  Speaker 2: You're like, well, the other night I had some of
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  Speaker 2: Dale's friends over and they were telling me that they
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  Speaker 2: hate fake tan. And I said, you just don't realize
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  Speaker 2: that the people that you're looking at are tanned.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Like it's, They're like, no, no, we actually really like
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  Speaker 2: porcelain skin. And I thought, this is not what I
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  Speaker 2: need to hear because when I need the motivation to tan,
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  Speaker 2: I want to think that people actually think I look better. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but you really want to be impressing Dale's mates. No,
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  Speaker 2: but so many of them were agreeing that they hate
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  Speaker 2: fake tan. I think it's more that they don't want
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  Speaker 2: to put up with the upkeep of fake tan when
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  Speaker 2: their partner does it. Yeah, but a lot of these
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  Speaker 2: guys were single.
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  Speaker 3: So, I mean, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Over the last two weeks, an influx of influencers
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  Speaker 2: have descended on Melbourne Park to promote the Australian Open,
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  Speaker 2: one courtside selfie at a time. Their presence has clearly
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  Speaker 2: paid off with the tournament attracting record-breaking crowds. However, not
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  Speaker 2: everyone is happy. Tennis fans claim influencers are changing the
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  Speaker 2: Grand Slam's look, feel and experience and they've had enough. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's been a lot of change with the tournament.
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  Speaker 2: So over the last couple of years, the Australian Opens
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  Speaker 2: marketing team has been working very much in overdrive to
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  Speaker 2: make the tournament more than just tennis. And hats off
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  Speaker 2: to them because they have really achieved it. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I've been to the Australian Open twice. One was nine
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  Speaker 2: years ago before the whole fan village was even a thing.
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  Speaker 2: And the second was in 2024. And it's really like
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  Speaker 2: chalk and cheese. So they have created this absolutely amazing
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  Speaker 2: vibe with all these pop-up bars and brand activations. And
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  Speaker 2: you could tell that some people were just there literally
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  Speaker 2: for the fan village. Like they weren't watching any of
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  Speaker 2: the tennis. And this year, the marketing team has really
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  Speaker 2: focused on going that step further and making the Australian
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  Speaker 2: Open the.
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  Speaker 3: Place to be seen.
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  Speaker 2: And to do that, they've invited what media are calling
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  Speaker 2: an army of influencers to spread awareness for the event.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems to be in overdrive this year. I
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  Speaker 1: think it has been gradually growing though, because over the years,
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  Speaker 1: we have seen a lot of influencers invited to sit
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  Speaker 1: in in key positions during the games.
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  Speaker 2: But it's on drugs this year. Every influencer I know
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  Speaker 2: seems to be at the Australian Open. Yeah, and historically
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  Speaker 2: it's been the brands that have invited influencers to the tennis,
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  Speaker 2: but this year the Australian Open organisers have wanted more
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  Speaker 2: control over the influencers that are there. And Tennis Australia's
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  Speaker 2: Director of Content, Bree Stewart, said, we understand that they're
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  Speaker 2: coming anyway and we want to be a part of
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  Speaker 2: the story they're creating. So this year, Tennis Australia, who
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  Speaker 2: run the Australian Open, have created the AO Creators Lounge
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  Speaker 2: where creators can film, edit and work.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like it's also a way to make the
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  Speaker 1: creators feel special by offering this exclusive lounge because they
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  Speaker 1: have been using it as motivation to create even more
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  Speaker 1: content because the more content you create, the more times
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  Speaker 1: you can go in there, isn't it, Kay? Well, a
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  Speaker 1: popular TikToker who asked to remain anonymous actually spoke out
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  Speaker 1: to the ABC and they said that they were quite
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  Speaker 1: taken aback about how much the Australian Open was expecting
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  Speaker 1: from the creators. So they claimed that they had to create.
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  Speaker 2: 20 posts across the tournament to be allowed in the
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  Speaker 2: AO Creators Lounge. Oh, wow. And they were quoted saying,
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  Speaker 2: some people don't think we work for our money, but 20.
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  Speaker 3: Edited videos is a lot out of our day. I
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  Speaker 3: did the math.
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  Speaker 2: That's a minimum equivalent of $ 60, 000 in TikTok. So I
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  Speaker 2: think they're talking about Contra there. Yeah. So they're only
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  Speaker 2: getting tickets and they're expected to post 20 pieces of content.
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  Speaker 3: That's crazy. It's not even tickets.
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  Speaker 2: So the Australian Open has come out and said that
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  Speaker 2: they haven't paid any influencers to be there or flown
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  Speaker 2: any of them out. So these are just influencers that
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  Speaker 2: are attending through brands. And basically the Australian Open have
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  Speaker 2: also introduced this reward tier system. So a week out
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  Speaker 2: from the event, this launched and it was to encourage
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  Speaker 2: influencers to post and drive engagement before the event.
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  Speaker 3: And how it.
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  Speaker 2: Works is basically the more you post and the more
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  Speaker 2: impressions you get, the more you're rewarded.
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  Speaker 3: So the rewards.
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  Speaker 2: Include guided backstage tours, accreditation to access the grounds, invites
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  Speaker 2: to AO partner events and seats to really important games.
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  Speaker 2: So you've probably been seeing the likes of Sofa Dofa
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  Speaker 2: and Jackie Alexander sitting in these key spots in the crowd.
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  Speaker 2: Like I think Anna McAvoy was posting that she was
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  Speaker 2: sitting so close to Federer. And that's because they've been
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  Speaker 2: posting a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but like if we got the opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: do that, I love the tennis so much that we
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  Speaker 1: would be absolutely flooding outspoken listeners with 20 videos at
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  Speaker 1: the tennis.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but you.
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  Speaker 2: Can see why people are just like, whatever, we'll do
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  Speaker 2: it for tickets. In saying that, in terms.
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  Speaker 1: Of the 20 videos that that TikToker was talking about
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  Speaker 1: to the ABC, So were they having to create 20
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  Speaker 1: videos just so they could go on the lounge?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what's so good about the lounge? Well, I
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  Speaker 2: assume it's to do with exclusivity and everyone wants to
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  Speaker 2: be seen in this AO creators lounge. It's a big perk.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we've been to the tennis before, Sophie. We
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  Speaker 2: were invited by New Balance and it's chaotic there, particularly
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  Speaker 2: if you're trying to do work. Like we went back
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  Speaker 2: to our apartment that we rented to do work, but
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  Speaker 2: I suppose it's you know, between games, you could sit
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  Speaker 2: in there.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's been boiling hot.
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  Speaker 1: Can I just call you out calling it work? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I know that work can be fun, but it was
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  Speaker 1: putting a couple of reels together.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you still had to stay up late and
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  Speaker 2: do it.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I don't think we should be belittling content creators' work.
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  Speaker 2: Did you guys see that Millie Ford ran into world
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  Speaker 2: number two Yannick Sinner in her lift at a hotel?
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  Speaker 3: No, I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I remember one year, because we are such big tennis fans,
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  Speaker 2: waiting at the crown to get a glimpse of some
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  Speaker 2: of the tennis players. And it was quite tragic because
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we saw anyone.
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  Speaker 3: No, we did. Or there was one. Who did we see?
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  Speaker 3: We saw Bouchard.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, oh my God, can I please get
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  Speaker 2: a photo? She walked straight past me.
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  Speaker 3: She just lost.
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  Speaker 2: So it probably wasn't the best timing. I think we
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  Speaker 2: saw one of the pros. I can't remember his name,
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  Speaker 2: but he was out the front. But we're like, I
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  Speaker 2: actually don't care. We're just here to see Rafael Nadal.
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  Speaker 1: This new influx of influencers, though, seems to be upsetting
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  Speaker 1: a lot of long-term tennis fans. They have been slamming
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  Speaker 1: influencers for lacking tennis etiquette and complaining that they're too
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  Speaker 1: busy creating content to watch the game, which is essentially
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  Speaker 1: the whole reason why they are there. One fan told
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  Speaker 1: the ABC, I've been seated behind influencers before and I've
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  Speaker 1: witnessed them on their phones talking, leaving early, and I
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  Speaker 1: personally don't think it's a good look. The only comparison
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  Speaker 1: I have is the AFL-AFLW, which has very minimal influencer presences.
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  Speaker 1: So that doesn't affect my experience as much as the tennis,
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  Speaker 1: where the influencer presence is growing every year.
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  Speaker 2: I remember last year there were some tennis goers complaining
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  Speaker 2: that they got sat behind, I think it was four
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  Speaker 2: Melbourne influencers who were droning on about properties they wanted
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  Speaker 2: to buy and just general gossip. And all I could
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  Speaker 2: think was, yeah, that sounds ultra annoying, but I would
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  Speaker 2: have just loved eavesdropping into their conversation. Because some of
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  Speaker 2: the games are quite long. Sometimes you need to do
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  Speaker 2: something else.
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  Speaker 1: It'd actually be my perfect environment. Some of the other
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  Speaker 1: criticisms that sports fans have thrown at influencers is that
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  Speaker 1: they have blamed them for the increasing ticket prices. and
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  Speaker 1: also overcrowding at the event. And another fan complained that
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  Speaker 1: they missed when the Australian Open was about dressing in
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  Speaker 1: team colours rather than fashionably. Now, I felt like I
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  Speaker 1: had my foot in my mouth after saying that, oh,
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  Speaker 1: who's going to wear Morgan Riddle's Beginning Boutique clothes to
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  Speaker 1: the Australian Open? And then I saw one of my faves,
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  Speaker 1: Jackie Alexander, who clearly been sponsored by Beginning Boutique, wearing
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  Speaker 1: that outfit there. And then I saw so many people
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  Speaker 1: who were literally decked out in ball gowns just to
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  Speaker 1: watch the tennis.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, maybe it's me who's not right.
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  Speaker 3: That's not the general public though.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, to be fair, we did say it was influencers
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  Speaker 2: that would be wearing that sort of stuff. Like I'm
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  Speaker 2: yet to see the general public rocking that. But again,
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  Speaker 2: we're not at the event this year.
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  Speaker 1: As much as I've had so much FOMO over these
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  Speaker 1: past two weeks, seeing all these different influences at the event,
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  Speaker 1: there is this other part of me that enjoys seeing
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  Speaker 1: a different perspective of the game, whether it's behind the
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  Speaker 1: scenes stuff or cool activations that are going on through
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  Speaker 1: just looking at their accounts. I think that they are
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  Speaker 1: elevating the game. I think that they are helping bring
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  Speaker 1: more eyeballs to it.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just a case of people wanting to
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  Speaker 2: hate on influencers because it's really no different to back
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  Speaker 2: in the day when mainstream celebrities were invited to sit
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  Speaker 2: in the boxes and the cameras used to pan to
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  Speaker 2: them in the crowd. We just know more about the
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  Speaker 2: red carpet treatment they're getting behind the scenes because influencers
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  Speaker 2: are literally doing their job and posting about it. I
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  Speaker 2: also feel like there's a bit of misogyny at play
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  Speaker 2: because I saw a number of articles talking about how
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  Speaker 2: influencers are flooding the AusOpen website And a lot of
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  Speaker 2: men were commenting like, oh, what are they doing there?
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  Speaker 2: They all look the same. And there was this general
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  Speaker 2: vibe that all of the influencers were airheads who were there.
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  Speaker 2: And it pissed me off because I thought, well, they're
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  Speaker 2: actually bringing a lot of coverage to the game. They're
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  Speaker 2: pushing out the Australian Open to a lot of followers
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  Speaker 2: who might not have ever thought about going.
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  Speaker 3: To the event.
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  Speaker 2: There's this tone that they don't deserve to be there.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, well, why not? They've built these platforms. And
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  Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of them aren't even being paid
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  Speaker 2: to go. A lot of it is contra. It's very
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  Speaker 2: similar to when Taylor Swift copped flack for getting her
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  Speaker 2: fans interested in the NFL. It was like she was
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  Speaker 2: demonized by the male sports fans over. It's like we
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  Speaker 2: should be thrilled that more and more people are actually
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  Speaker 2: getting around tennis in Australia. Like I get it when
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  Speaker 2: you're an old school fan and it's sort of like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: I was here first and this is the way it
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  Speaker 2: used to be. But the game has to evolve in
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  Speaker 2: order to stay in business. And I also think it's
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  Speaker 2: a fact that so many people don't recognize influencers as
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  Speaker 2: the new celebrity. you know, as you said, Delta Goodrum
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  Speaker 2: or Beckhart right before she met Leighton Hewitt, they'd be
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  Speaker 2: at the game because of their status of being on television.
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  Speaker 2: But arguably, a lot of the influencers attending the Oz
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  Speaker 2: Open would have far greater reach than some of those celebrities.
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  Speaker 2: In the defense of people who are pissed off about it, though.
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  Speaker 3: What, like you?
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  Speaker 2: No, I can totally understand, though, how annoying it is
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  Speaker 2: when you.
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  Speaker 1: Are a huge fan of the game, you know a
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  Speaker 1: lot about the players and then you see people putting
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  Speaker 1: up posts online being like, I've never watched the game
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  Speaker 1: before and then they've got front row seats and you're
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  Speaker 1: sort of like, okay, cool.
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  Speaker 2: I can't lie because I have had pangs of jealousy
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  Speaker 2: when I've seen some of the influencers there who I
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  Speaker 2: know don't really support tennis in their front row and
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  Speaker 2: they're watching this incredible game. But at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the day, that's just life. It's just interesting to interrogate
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  Speaker 2: your own internalised misogyny there and be like, oh, why
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  Speaker 2: do I feel like they don't deserve it? But say,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a mainstream celebrity does.
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  Speaker 1: But I think it's also different with the tennis because
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  Speaker 1: it is known as being the gentleman's sport. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that if you are a big fan, maybe you're
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  Speaker 1: a bit older and you have no idea who this
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  Speaker 1: influencer is in front of you who's loudly speaking during
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  Speaker 1: the point and you're just trying to enjoy the game.
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  Speaker 2: I can see how that would piss you off.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, last year there were reports that Tammy Hembrough
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  Speaker 1: and Matt Sikowsky had a massive brawl at one of
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  Speaker 1: the VIP spots.
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  Speaker 3: And you'd just be like, shut up.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there was speculation that they wouldn't be invited back.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was Chemist Warehouse who invited them. Matt
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  Speaker 2: Zukowski's been posting at the tennis. It seems like he
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  Speaker 2: was invited back, but Tammy has been a no-show so far.
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  Speaker 3: So maybe it was her that was banned.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if she's worried about seeing Matt. She probably,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Melbourne's his hometown. She probably thinks, oh, there's
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: nothing worse than running into this guy.
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: Just back to the actual tennis. Did you guys see
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: Coco Goff smashing her tennis racket? I did. And I
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: watched it many times because I am a really bad sport.
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: And I actually associated with that. I was like, that
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: would probably be me in Div 10 tennis with Sophie
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: on it. She's Saturday morning. She has come out and
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: said that she tried to find a private area to
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: smash her racket because she doesn't think it's good for
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: the sport. And I suppose the children watching to have
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: that kind of scene play out But she said there's
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: literally nowhere where there isn't a camera anymore besides maybe
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: the toilets or the change rooms.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: Take out her anger in a different way other than smashing,
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: you know, a sponsor's tennis racket.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's a little bit of a
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: cop out to blame the broadcast. So I'd be like, oh, well,
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: they shouldn't be filming everywhere. It's like, well, how about
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: you just get a handle on your emotions? I mean,
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: as I said, I'm someone that gets very, very angry
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: as well. But, you know, sometimes it's good to be shamed.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: Former Bachelor star Matty J has done a full backflip
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: announcing his plans to get a vasectomy. It comes months
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: after the media personality faced intense backlash for admitting he
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: didn't want to get the procedure done as he was
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: concerned about the long-term health effects.
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I have to laugh like that.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: It's just so laughable when you think about what women
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: have to go through.
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: But continue.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Amy. Yeah, well, it was actually Matt's wife, Laura Byrne,
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: who initially aired Matt's concerns on her podcast.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was back in August, if you'll believe it.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: So six weeks before their third daughter Poppy was born
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: and Laura opened up about a conversation that she had
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: with Matt about vasectomy. So she admitted that the conversation
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: didn't go down as well as she had hoped.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: Now the couple were.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Both on the same page that Poppy was going to
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: be their last child and Laura assumed that they would
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: also be on the same page about Matt getting the procedure.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: But he replied that he wasn't sure about getting a
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: vasectomy and Because as you mentioned, Amy, he was concerned
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: about the long-term health effects. Now, Laura ended up replying, sorry,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: the long-term effects of what? Of the lack of pregnancies.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: And that went on to say that he wasn't across
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: all of the effects that a potential vasectomy could have
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: on his body. And Laura pointed out, well, that she
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: has been on the pill for 17 years, which has
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: had a massive impact on her body. Then you've got
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: the three pregnancies, then the menopause, which she is eventually
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: going to go through. And as you can imagine, the backlash-
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: The menopause.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Was pretty swift.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: So Matt was criticized online for his reluctance to undergo
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: the surgery. One follower wrote, I think Matt just gave
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: me the ick. Sorry, Laura, it's the least the man
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: can do.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Another wrote, Matt, grow up. It's the bare minimum that
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: you can do. It's just laughable that Matt says that
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: he's annoyed about the effects on his body, but then
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: when questioned what those effects are, he says he doesn't know.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, how tone deaf can you be when you
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: consider something like endometriosis, which so many women suffer from
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: is so under-researched. And then to be like, oh, well,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: we don't know the effects of vasectomies.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: It's like, what?
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Well, the short-term side effects of having a vasectomy include
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: pain and soreness, swelling and bruising, bleeding, and lumps. I mean,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: as I said, this is short-term effects. And there are
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: apparently less common rare complications, which include infections, a hematoma,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: sperm granula, which is a small non-cancerous lump, post-vasectomy pain syndrome.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, Nothing that major. I mean, these are rare complications.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Think of all of these side effects of having a baby. Well,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: we were only talking about that last week with Anna
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: McAvoy and all the pain that she's been going through
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: with her foot. I mean, if I was Laura Byrne,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I would have gone absolutely nuts at him, which I'm
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: sure she did behind closed doors.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Well, as you can imagine, she was forced to release
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: a statement at the time. She wrote that she felt
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: like a lot of assumptions were being made in the
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: comment section about Matt and clarified that he does play
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: his part in contraception, and is happy to wear a condom.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: She said she is the one who prefers that he
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: doesn't wear it. I remember that comment raised a lot
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: of eyebrows because people were like.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Is it him or you that doesn't want to wear it? Anyway,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I actually heard Shameless talking on their Friday show about this,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: where a woman will come out on the internet and
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: complain about something that their partner does and then be
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: suddenly really put back when people agree and say, oh,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: that's not right. You should leave him or you should
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: not be happy with it.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: And it's like, well, Don't put this information out there
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: if you don't expect people to be like, what? Yeah, well,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: she continued writing in the statement, but if a man
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: is happy to take responsibility for his part in contraception
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: by wearing a condom, let's not jump to calling him
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: a pussy and a loser because he shares reservations around
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: getting the snip. She finished by saying she knows this
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: is a triggering conversation for so many women who have
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: experienced men not taking responsibility and expecting women to front
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: the load when it comes to contraception.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Now, last week, Life Uncut released a special Q &
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: A episode featuring Laura and Maddie J. And listeners were
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: invited to send in their burning questions. And many wondered
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: what Matt's thoughts were now on having a vasectomy.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Let's take a listen. Vasectomies.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah. We had a big chat about vasectomies last year.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: Where are you at now on the vasectomy thought?
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: I'm going to book it in next week. Not book
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: it in. I'll speak to someone to try and book
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: it in next week.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah. How do you feel about it now?
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: I still think I'm going to get like a sample
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: sperm frozen.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: Are you doing that in case we separate and you
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: have like a new wife and you need some sperm
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: for her? Just in case. Or is it just to
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: keep it for old time's sakes?
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: Like if you're going to cement over the well, get
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: one more bucket out before you do that.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: What are you going to do with that bucket?
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Are you going to keep it?
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: Just in case. Who knows? You may want the bucket.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: It kind of reminds me.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Me of how Steph Clare Smith's husband, Josh Miller, was
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: trying to tell himself that it was all going to
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: be okay because the procedure could be reversed if needed.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting to go in with that mindset. I
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: do love that Laura joked, is this because we're getting separated?
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Because I actually think that that would be a genuine
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: concern for a lot of women if their husband was like, oh,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I just want to keep this backed up just in case.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you would be like, well, why? I mean,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: particularly because Laura is set to turn 40 this year.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: And not that you obviously can't have children in your 40s,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: but it does get a lot more difficult. And they've
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: also been quite adamant on the fact that this is
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: their last baby.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't sound like Laura is actually that certain
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: on it. She said that she knows they shouldn't have
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: any more kids because she feels like they wouldn't be
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: able to manage a fourth, but she doesn't like the
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: idea of not having an option.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: She said it feels weird to her.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: I just don't understand.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: If this is how these people feel, then why are
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: they getting the vasectomies? What is the push for?
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I suppose it's because they don't want to use the
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: pill or other forms of contraception.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I think they see it as a form of contraception
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: that can be reversed.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: I just find that bizarre.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, If you're looking at contraception, there are other
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: methods to use that aren't so permanent. Like, yes, in
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: some cases you can reverse a vasectomy, but, you know,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: that's a big ordeal to go through. If Matty J
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: is concerned about the pain of going through the initial vasectomy,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I hardly doubt he's going to go through a reversal
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: to have a fourth child.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: On Life Uncut's most recent episode that dropped this week,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Laura revealed that more about Maddie's decision to book in
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: a vasectomy. So she said that despite them having a newborn,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: their resolution for 2026 was that they wanted to spend
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: more time together and have more sex. And they were
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: able to kick this challenge off whilst they were away
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: at their holiday house because she said that the kids
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: were really well behaved and Poppy was.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Sleeping really well.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: But it actually resulted in Laura having to get two
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: morning after pills in the space of two weeks. So
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: She said the first time she went into the small
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: coastal town's chemist, she had Poppy strapped to her and
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: she tried to subtly ask for the morning after pill
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and it turned out that the chemist was actually a
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Life Uncut listener who told her on the slide, oh,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I love the podcast.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: So she said that.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: That actually comforted her though because she's like, well, this
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: woman already knows so much about my sex life as
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: She's one of the people. She's not judging me here
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: in this scenario.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: The second time round, Laura ended up sending Maddie J
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: in to go and get it because she said, be
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: going back there in the space of two weeks.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Particularly if a Life Uncut listener was in there.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Anyway, the pharmacist was apparently very young looking. Matty J
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: said that he didn't look old enough to actually be
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: a pharmacist. And he said, I can't actually give it
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: to you. It needs to be for the patient. The
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: patient needs to come in. Somehow Matty J talked him
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: around and ended up getting Laura on the phone.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: And she didn't realize she was on loudspeaker.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: And she told the pharmacist that She had to have
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the pill because her husband is irresponsible and she now
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: needs it twice in two weeks. So everyone in the
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: chemist heard her say this.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: See, I was thinking, why the hell would you air
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: this on your national podcast that gets hundreds of thousands
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: of downloads? But I kind of get it now because
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: sometimes you take the power back by publicly talking about
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: it and sort of having a joke, whereas you know,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: potentially the Life Uncut listener could have spread that around and,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: you know, added a bit of mayo onto it. So
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I can see why they actually did acknowledge it on
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: the podcast.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I wonder if they were also worried that someone might
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: go to the press about it and say, oh, pregnancy scare.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can imagine that appearing on the Daily Mail.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm pretty sure the Daily Mail are going to
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: write something about it anyway, because the buzzword vasectomy and
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: also morning after pill in a headline, that's going to
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: get a lot of clicks. It's funny because we spoke
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: about Steph Clare-Smith's husband, Josh Miller's vasectomy on our podcast
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: probably a couple of months ago now. And when you
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: look at the analytics, that headline got a lot of downloads.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: And I think it's because of the term vasectomy. We
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: had a bit of back and forth about whether we
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: should use it in the title. And I mean, I'm
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: glad we did. It worked.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Should we use it in this title? Yeah, maybe Maddie
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: J's vasectomy.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: If that does end up being the title, you know
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: why we've used it.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Well, Laura did say that it was this experience that
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: seemed to put fear into Matty J about having a
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: fourth child and that actually tipped him over the edge
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: of trying to lock in a time for his vasectomy.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, it's worked in her favour there.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Well, that is where we're going to leave things today.
• 24:13
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• 24:17
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• 24:19
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• 24:22
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