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Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: Mark Barton - Family Destroyer and Mass Murderer · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Quody Dogs with Joseph Scott More. I've always been a
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Speaker 1: fan of geography. I was a fan of maps for years.
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Speaker 1: I would look at any map, and I think that
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Speaker 1: may have translated over to my son, because now my
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Speaker 1: son is a GIS major. You know, he does the
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Speaker 1: geospatial information system stuff and finishing up college right now.
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Speaker 1: I'm so proud of him. And he makes maps. That's
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Speaker 1: kind of cool, I think, and he studies satellite imagery
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Speaker 1: and all of that. But one of the things I've
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Speaker 1: always been fascinated with regarding maps are looking at the
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Speaker 1: origins of things. And specifically, you say, well, Morgan, how
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Speaker 1: can a map have an origin? Well, the map itself
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Speaker 1: has an origin. But what I'm talking about are bodies
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Speaker 1: of water, particularly moving bodies of water, and those are
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Speaker 1: most of the time where they originate from. Those are
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Speaker 1: called headwaters. Today, I want to talk about the headwaters
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Speaker 1: of one of my favorite locations in the world, and
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Speaker 1: my buddy Dave Mack will attest to this, and that's
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Speaker 1: the Kusa River. The Kuser River starts way north of
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Speaker 1: where I live now, but I enjoy it all the
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Speaker 1: time of my old boat that I've got. But the
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Speaker 1: Kuser River flows through a lake and it's a world
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Speaker 1: famous lake actually for a very specific kind of fish
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Speaker 1: called crappy. Yeah you heard that term, right, crappy crappy.
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Speaker 1: South Louisiana we call them sakuday. But what I want
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Speaker 1: to tell you about is something that happened in an
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Speaker 1: R and V park many many years ago, involving one
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Speaker 1: of the most notorious mass killers in the history of
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Speaker 1: the South. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body bags.
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Speaker 1: Dave always talked about it. You know, I love my boat, man,
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Speaker 1: I love my boat. I love my wife, I love
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Speaker 1: my son and my daughter. I love my grandbabies.
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Speaker 2: But your feelings for your boat go even deeper, don't they.
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Speaker 1: I tell you what. But you know the case that
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Speaker 1: we're or literally I'm doing a disservice by saying case. Yeah, boy,
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Speaker 1: I got to use not just little plural, I got
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Speaker 1: to use gigantic plural today.
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Speaker 2: Man, You know, because we're talking about cases, talking about
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Speaker 2: Mark Barton and the guy who pulled off that's not
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Speaker 2: the right term, but the guy who committed the worst
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Speaker 2: mass casualty shooting in the state of Georgia, and that
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Speaker 2: wasn't all he killed. That wasn't the only time that
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Speaker 2: he I mean, when we talk about a mass killer
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Speaker 2: of going in and killing a bunch of people in
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Speaker 2: one day or one spot, he is that guy. But
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Speaker 2: besides those that he killed in one spot or two
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Speaker 2: spots in a general vicinity in Atlanta, he had already
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Speaker 2: killed three others previous to that, and two others previous
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Speaker 2: to that, separated by a number of years. Mark Barton,
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Speaker 2: when I dug into this story, is the filthiest disgusting
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Speaker 2: killer I've ever seen in all of the dealings we've
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Speaker 2: had to deal with Joe. Because he doesn't kill in
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Speaker 2: just one way. I don't know if you would call
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Speaker 2: him a spree killer, because he certainly kills his own
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Speaker 2: family members, he kills the people that he's closest to,
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Speaker 2: and then he kills people because he believes that they
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Speaker 2: did him wrong in business. This guy, if he wasn't
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Speaker 2: already gone from this earth by his own hand, he
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Speaker 2: would have been killed in prison because of all the
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Speaker 2: damage he did to innocent people who had nothing but
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Speaker 2: love for the guy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's look, I'm not going to diminish in
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Speaker 1: any way anyway. I'm going back to your comment about
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Speaker 1: prison if he had survived to that point. He's a
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Speaker 1: child killer too, Yes, I mean he is a child
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Speaker 1: killy killed bookoo adults, but he and.
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Speaker 2: He possibly a child molester. Yeah that yeah, I've been
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Speaker 2: taking through this story. His daughter at two and a
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Speaker 2: half years old, not in the middle of a divorce
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Speaker 2: or a custody issue or anything else. She uttered to
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Speaker 2: a teacher at daycare that her daddy molested her, and
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Speaker 2: there was an investigation. Now, I know I'm putting the
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Speaker 2: horse ahead of the card is in what you say,
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Speaker 2: but that was one of the many things I found
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Speaker 2: out when we're talking about a child killer child. This
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Speaker 2: guy is the I did realize how bad he was, Joe.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I know we're dealing with our murderer, but sometimes, sadly,
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Speaker 2: we detach when somebody does something that just seems to
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Speaker 2: be like a shotgun approach to life. You know, they
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Speaker 2: just indiscriminately shoot people that they don't really have a
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Speaker 2: personal connection with. That somehow we separate those types of
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Speaker 2: killers from those who do kill a family member, somebody
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Speaker 2: they have a relationship with, or the types of the
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Speaker 2: way that they kill. Normally, when we have somebody who
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Speaker 2: has committed more than one murder. They do have their
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Speaker 2: own SOP. They've got their own standard operating procedure or
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Speaker 2: modus operande. However, you say these things, you know that,
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Speaker 2: I mean, they do kill. They prefer a certain method
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Speaker 2: and they stay down that path.
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Speaker 1: They do. And you know one of the things that
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Speaker 1: and this listen, this term maybe it had been prior
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Speaker 1: to me. Listen, I don't know everything. And if you
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Speaker 1: ever come across somebody that claims they do run away,
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Speaker 1: don't walk run away as fas as you can from
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Speaker 1: somebody that says they know everything.
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Speaker 2: And they want to be president of the United States.
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Speaker 2: When they say those two things, I know everything, I'll
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Speaker 2: fix every problem for me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go with. There's a term that has
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Speaker 1: come up, and you're talking about familiarity relative to killers.
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Speaker 1: And I know you've heard this murder kit where they
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Speaker 1: have a set of tools that they operate with. And
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Speaker 1: we've heard this over and over again about serialized events
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Speaker 1: Israel Keys. Oh my gosh, yeah, yeah, exactly that the
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Speaker 1: and methodologies. Methodology is very dependent upon what the goal is.
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Speaker 1: And you can think about a spree killer. Could a
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Speaker 1: spree killer be could they have a murder kit. Well,
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Speaker 1: they put together a kit many times if they if
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Speaker 1: they've got multiple weapons with them, they won't fail safe
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Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Is that a murder kit? Yeah? Possibly,
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Speaker 1: But when you hear the term murder kit, you think about, well,
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Speaker 1: they've got tape, they've got bindings, maybe they've got things
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Speaker 1: to clean up with, and of course they've got weapons
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Speaker 1: that they prefer not something that's going to be a
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Speaker 1: weapon of convenience. But look, I got to take you
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Speaker 1: back in time. You know I was working. This goes
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Speaker 1: back to well, the main thing here is, you know,
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Speaker 1: we talked about the mass shooting that took place in Atlanta,
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Speaker 1: a senior investigator with the Medical Examiner's Office. Yeah, in
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine and what in what became known as
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Speaker 1: the Buckhead massacre. And it was a weird time back
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Speaker 1: then because just the week before the Buckhead massacre, we
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Speaker 1: had worked another massive loss of life event in southwest
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Speaker 1: Atlanta that I think, and I'm going to get this wrong, probably,
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Speaker 1: but I think it's referred to as the Mechanicsville masker,
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Speaker 1: and we had a whole family that was wiped out
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Speaker 1: in a tiny little home with one of the children
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Speaker 1: surviving an eleven year old that had hid in a closet,
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Speaker 1: and I actually got injured on that scene. I slipped,
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Speaker 1: pulled a groin muscle. I was wearing a taieeksuit, and
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Speaker 1: there was so much blood in that house that when
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Speaker 1: I put my foot down in the hallway and they
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Speaker 1: were old heart pine floors that were polished, there was
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Speaker 1: so much blood, Dave that I slid and split the
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Speaker 1: taieksuit and pulled a groin muscle all at the same time.
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Speaker 1: And I'm wearing like a mask over my face. I've
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Speaker 1: got a headcover on, gloves, that sort of thing. And
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Speaker 1: I had to get myself out of the house and retool,
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Speaker 1: refit and get back in because even though I'd injured myself,
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Speaker 1: there ain't nobody else to do the job. You got
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Speaker 1: to get back in there. And I'll never forlyget that.
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Speaker 1: I preached that all the time, you know, so you
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Speaker 1: got to you got to live by you preaching. Man,
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Speaker 1: if that's what you're going to do and you have
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Speaker 1: to stay on, it doesn't matter now. I mean, if
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Speaker 1: you lose lose an arm or something, you're obviously, but
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Speaker 1: if you can because no one has the mindset that
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Speaker 1: you do if you're the primary investigator on a scene
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Speaker 1: and you've already seen everything.
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Speaker 2: And every minute gets further and further away from the
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Speaker 2: moment it happened, which means it's a change circumstance. Now
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Speaker 2: it's a change situation.
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Speaker 1: It does. And then the week the next week we
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Speaker 1: had the Buckhead masker with Mark Barton and it was
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Speaker 1: and it wasn't David. It wasn't just a single building.
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Speaker 1: He migrated from one spot to another, just raining down hell,
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Speaker 1: And we're talking about what was And most many people,
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Speaker 1: particularly those that are much younger in our audience, are
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Speaker 1: not even going to be familiar with this term. There's
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Speaker 1: a term called day trading.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow.
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Speaker 1: And you would go to you would go to a
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Speaker 1: specific location where they had dedicated computers and you had
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Speaker 1: to pay for time at this thing, and you would
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Speaker 1: sit down and you would do trades like you were
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Speaker 1: on the floor, you know, up at one and they
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Speaker 1: had the tickers everywhere and all this sort of thing.
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Speaker 1: But you were an individual doing this, and people would
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Speaker 1: do their own LLC's, you know, and just go to
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Speaker 1: the terminal is a dedicated terminal hardwired in and you'd
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Speaker 1: be trading all day and.
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Speaker 2: That's what Mark Barton did. He actually was a day trader.
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Speaker 2: He didn't start out that way. He did not start
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Speaker 2: out with a goal of being a Wall Street day trader.
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Speaker 2: By the way, when this happened, I remember how it
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Speaker 2: was covered in the media by people like me a
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Speaker 2: lot of because for many of us we heard of
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Speaker 2: day traders. If you remember back in the late nineties,
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Speaker 2: there was a lot of fast happening on Wall Street
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Speaker 2: and on the Nasdaq. There was so much happening because
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Speaker 2: of the tech stocks, and.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there were We were.
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Speaker 2: On the front hand side of the bubble, and boy.
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Speaker 1: It was like people, it was a wild wets man.
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Speaker 2: People were making hundreds of thousands of dollars with minimal investments.
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Speaker 2: It was a huge time. And Mark Barton in the
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Speaker 2: summer of ninety nine, this is two years before the
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Speaker 2: bubble burst, just to give you an idea, there were
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Speaker 2: ups and downs, but a lot of people were making
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Speaker 2: bank and Mark Barton, whatever he chose, was the wrong
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Speaker 2: way for a while, and he had had a number
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Speaker 2: of really down months financially as a day trader. That
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Speaker 2: brought him to a point of desperation. But Joe, I
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Speaker 2: don't know that that was the only reason when we
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Speaker 2: looked back at his life, this man had gotten away
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Speaker 2: with murder all before he ever pulled a gun on
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Speaker 2: the people he blamed for losing money. He was already
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Speaker 2: a murderer who hadn't been convicted.
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Speaker 1: And isn't that the fascinating thing about this you talk
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Speaker 1: about you know, we go on and on about people
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Speaker 1: that walk into businesses and schools and all these horrible
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Speaker 1: just tragedies that happened, and people hold on to your
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Speaker 1: hat here, Dave, I got to tell you, even though
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Speaker 1: you're not wearing a hat, I'm looking at you right now.
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Speaker 1: It's almost wrote now. Because it seems like every talking
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Speaker 1: head in the media will always ask this question. They'll say,
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Speaker 1: were there warning signs?
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Speaker 2: He was always such a nice guy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. In this case, Dave, Oh, let me tell you something.
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Speaker 1: There were warning signs. And those warning signs came in
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Speaker 1: the form of a double homicide at the headwaters of
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Speaker 1: the Coosa River, Cherokee County, Alabama. David, I wanted to
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Speaker 1: go down this road with you about Mark Barton because
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Speaker 1: I was sitting here and I was thinking how the
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Speaker 1: buckhead masker this summer, it will have been a quarter
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Speaker 1: century since that happened, and I still I still remember
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Speaker 1: all of my colleagues that were involved, you know, there
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Speaker 1: physically on the scene. We were back in taking the
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Speaker 1: bodies at the morgue, you know, trying to make sure
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Speaker 1: that we could get people identified because it's a total
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Speaker 1: just for neetic mess and it was horrible, these things
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Speaker 1: that we were witnessing. But Dave, I got to tell
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Speaker 1: you when we found out about the suspect in the
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Speaker 1: shooting and that he also had two open homicides that
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Speaker 1: had been laid at his feet, that already thought that
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Speaker 1: and they they they had happened six years earlier. And
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Speaker 1: that's the reason, you know, I made the comment about, oh, gee,
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Speaker 1: were there any warning signs. It's not like he's you know,
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Speaker 1: running around the neighborhood nicked and howling at the moon
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Speaker 1: or anything. No, nothing quite that subtle. We're talking about
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Speaker 1: somebody that went to a campground, went to a campground
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Speaker 1: and killed his then wife and mother in law with
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Speaker 1: a Charlotte instrument, was allegedly because.
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Speaker 2: He was never convicted of that crime. He's dead now
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Speaker 2: and he was on the only suspect they ever had,
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Speaker 2: and you you know, the warning sign. I actually pulled
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Speaker 2: this quote, Joe because I wanted to. Yeah, it was.
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Speaker 2: You're talking about his wife and her mother. It's Liberty
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Speaker 2: weekend there at Wi Lake up in Cherokee County, Alabama,
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Speaker 2: and his wife and her mother are murdered inside the
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Speaker 2: camp the trailer and his father in law says, until
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Speaker 2: the murders, Mark was the perfect son in law until
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Speaker 2: the murders. Until Mark was the perfect son in law.
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Speaker 2: So how did they die? Because there was no forced entry? Right,
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Speaker 2: wasn't it didn't it look like a robbery?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was, But there was even jewelry and
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Speaker 1: like six hundred dollars cash left behind. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if it's thief, No, they generally don't. And also thieves
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Speaker 1: that force. You think about force entry and people, you know,
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Speaker 1: literally kicking indoors. I've had this happened. I've had people
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Speaker 1: throw stuff through windows to gain access to individuals and murdering,
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Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff like that that you see out there.
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Speaker 1: But anytime that we have no no signs of force entry,
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Speaker 1: and that's always our qualifying remark, no signs of fourthentury
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Speaker 1: of struggle. You always hear that in every one.
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Speaker 2: Of these, is it really that figures of a TV thing?
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Speaker 1: No, No, it's it's it's true the TV world took
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Speaker 1: that from us. It's something that's a canned comment that
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Speaker 1: is made throughout the country. I've come across a review
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Speaker 1: and reports. But you know, you're state you're making a
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Speaker 1: very broad assertion here that upon my initial observation this
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Speaker 1: blood bath that I wound up walking into, I didn't
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Speaker 1: see any force entry, you know, or now as far
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Speaker 1: as the struggle goes, there was blood that was essentially
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Speaker 1: cast off all over the bathroom mirror, you know, in
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Speaker 1: this place. And here here's the thing. They didn't find
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Speaker 1: a weapon either, but they kept saying I've heard I've
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Speaker 1: heard people say that they were bludgeoned, and I've had
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Speaker 1: other people say that it was sharp force, and I've
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Speaker 1: heard hatchet. And this is from a forensic standpoint. One
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Speaker 1: of the things that you get with a hatchet or
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Speaker 1: an axe is that when you start doing these strikes
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Speaker 1: on an individual, it has a let's see, how can
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Speaker 1: I put this? It will have features sometimes of a
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Speaker 1: blunt force. Okay, because you're coming down if you just imagine,
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Speaker 1: just imagine a hatchet right now, something you buy a
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Speaker 1: big box store or whatever. It's got a single blade,
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Speaker 1: and then you think about the backside of it. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that backstrap on it, that's very weighted. That's the reason
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Speaker 1: axes are made that way. They're like a gigantic steel
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Speaker 1: wedge that you can drive through the air and cut something. Well,
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Speaker 1: sometimes they get twisted, you know, as this fevers thing
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Speaker 1: that's going on. You're not always going to hit perfectly
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Speaker 1: with that leading edge, so you'll get these big nasty contusions.
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Speaker 1: Now you will get a leading edge there that's kind
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Speaker 1: of clean if they can drive that edge through the body.
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Speaker 1: And when you see what's really in press is you
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Speaker 1: go down to the bone and if you do like
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Speaker 1: a microscopic section a cross section of the bone, when
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Speaker 1: you're looking at it, David things, it looks like the
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Speaker 1: V hole on a boat. It's got a perfect V
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Speaker 1: shape in there, and it kind of trenches out. But
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Speaker 1: then you'll get these little spider web fractions fractures rather
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Speaker 1: that run away from it. And so that and since
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Speaker 1: they didn't leave leave a weapon, that seen one was
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Speaker 1: not recovered. I think that's that's where the pathologist at
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Speaker 1: the time back in ninety three when they were doing
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Speaker 1: the autopsies on both his wife at that time and
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Speaker 1: the mother in law, they were thinking, hey, you know,
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Speaker 1: we don't have the weapon, but boy, this shared us
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Speaker 1: look like an axe or a hatchet here because you're
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Speaker 1: going to get these these two injuries that kind of communicate.
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Speaker 1: But here's the big question. And you know me, brother,
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Speaker 1: you know I hate the word why I do. Let's
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Speaker 1: say what what would have been the motivation of Mark
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Speaker 1: Barton killing these two women?
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Speaker 2: Well they found out pretty quick, but they think it
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Speaker 2: was the motivation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, I'll let you do this big reveal
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Speaker 1: because I got to tell you. You know what they say,
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Speaker 1: the root right, the root of what you know. So
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Speaker 1: you go back and you think about the later day
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Speaker 1: trading career that he was to have.
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Speaker 2: The love was money friends. He There were two things. One,
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Speaker 2: as they began investigating, okay, that no sign of forced entry. Okay,
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Speaker 2: I read this in the report on the police investigation.
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Speaker 2: They found out though immediately since there's no forced entry,
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Speaker 2: who did they know that would have access? Okay? What
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Speaker 2: kind of relationship does he have with his wife? And
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Speaker 2: you know they were looking at his father in law too,
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Speaker 2: because you know his wife's dead didn't. So they're looking
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Speaker 2: at these guys in Low and Bold. They find down
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Speaker 2: four days ago. Four days ago, Mark Barton took out
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Speaker 2: six hundred thousand dollars life insurance policy on his wife.
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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, there's ding ding ding number one. Deborah
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Speaker 2: Barton has six hundred thousand life insurance. So they talked
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Speaker 2: to the insurance company and find out, well, he actually
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Speaker 2: wanted a million, but he couldn't cover the payment, so
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Speaker 2: they settled for six hundred thousand dollars. That was their
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Speaker 2: first tip off of who their suspect might be. Now,
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Speaker 2: taking it a step further, they looked at the crime scene.
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Speaker 2: A purse had been dumped out of Eluise Spivey, the
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Speaker 2: fifty nine year old mother of Deborah Barton. Her purse
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Speaker 2: is dumped out, and it's made to look like a robbery.
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Speaker 2: The problem was, yes, there were a couple of pieces
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Speaker 2: of jewelry missing, but there's an envelope with six one
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Speaker 2: hundred dollars bills in it, and no robber in his
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Speaker 2: right mind is leaving cash. It just ain't gonna happen.
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Speaker 1: No, And and most of the time when you get
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Speaker 1: these kind of robberies, these home invasion kind of robberies
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Speaker 1: like this, And there have been a there have been
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Speaker 1: these things where you will have r V parks, we'll
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Speaker 1: have like ne'er do wells, they're like camping out in
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Speaker 1: the woods adjacent to it. Lots of times their druggies
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Speaker 1: and these things are generally very violent. But Bubba, let
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Speaker 1: me tell you something. They're not walking out of that
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Speaker 1: scene without without everything of value. They're like vultures. They'll
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Speaker 1: pick over everything. And so when you you know, you
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Speaker 1: had pointed out, well, why would they leave cash behind? Jewelrys?
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Speaker 1: One thing? You got to take jewelry to either somebody
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Speaker 1: that confents jewelry or somebody or to a pawn shop.
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Speaker 1: And that's gonna that's gonna catch people's eye. Cash but
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Speaker 1: you've got the green bags, baby, you can go spend
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Speaker 1: that anywhere you can go. You can go to the
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Speaker 1: you can go buy a pack of gum with it.
21:51
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, you got you know, eighty dollars
21:54
Speaker 1: in cash. Well, i'll say eighty that a lot of gum.
21:57
Speaker 2: But as you're walking, yeah, but you're spind it as
22:00
Speaker 2: you would leave, you know, you don't have to do
22:02
Speaker 2: anything cash is king. But yeah, when they start investigating,
22:06
Speaker 2: and again this wasn't they didn't solve it. They had
22:09
Speaker 2: a suspect in Mark Barton. But according to the investigators
22:12
Speaker 2: in the share, they all everybody was looking at Mark Barton.
22:16
Speaker 2: I mean, the family was everybody liked him for this crime.
22:21
Speaker 2: And you know, I still can't find out, Joe and
22:23
Speaker 2: I have looked for this. His alibi was that he
22:27
Speaker 2: was home Marietta or just outside of Atlanta with the
22:31
Speaker 2: two kids, two children very small.
22:34
Speaker 1: Very small?
22:37
Speaker 2: Did he bring them with here and go there? You
22:41
Speaker 2: go and leave them asleep in the minivan while he
22:43
Speaker 2: sneaks in the middle of the night and destroys his
22:46
Speaker 2: wife and her mother, And then I mean, he's going
22:49
Speaker 2: to have to be covered in blood. How does he
22:51
Speaker 2: get out of the camper without being covered in blood?
22:53
Speaker 1: Joe, it's bone chilling, and he yeah, he would have
22:56
Speaker 1: had to have had because listen, if if you're going
23:01
Speaker 1: to attack somebody with a weapon like this, they're not
23:05
Speaker 1: just going to sit back and allow you to attack them.
23:07
Speaker 1: They're going to see it coming. They're gonna throw up
23:09
Speaker 1: their arms, they're going to try to move. By the way,
23:12
Speaker 1: It's not like a static thing where you know, like
23:16
Speaker 1: if you've got oh let's just use an example of
23:18
Speaker 1: an axe, you've got a piece of wood before you,
23:20
Speaker 1: or maybe you're chopping down the tree. Well, you can
23:23
Speaker 1: hit the trees manytimes, you won't. You can take chunks
23:25
Speaker 1: out of the tree. Ain't gonna move human beings when
23:29
Speaker 1: they're hit with an edged weapon. Trust me, those pain
23:32
Speaker 1: centers are firing and they're trying to get out of
23:34
Speaker 1: the way. This is something Dave that has always held
23:50
Speaker 1: through in my career. I see, you know, I'll think
23:56
Speaker 1: about it. I'll think about it when i'm in the
23:59
Speaker 1: because you are, you're literally in the wake of these
24:03
Speaker 1: horrific events and you're looking at it and first off,
24:06
Speaker 1: you're thinking about the person. You're thinking, does your mind work?
24:09
Speaker 1: You know, what were you thinking? And you see the
24:12
Speaker 1: through line in it sometimes and you're thinking, Okay, you're
24:17
Speaker 1: you're a deputy sheriff in a small rural community in Alabama,
24:22
Speaker 1: and can you imagine showing up at that RV park
24:26
Speaker 1: and you know, most of the time you've got people
24:28
Speaker 1: and it's the world, it's the crappy capital of the world.
24:32
Speaker 1: I think they call it up there, and on Lake Wise.
24:35
Speaker 1: People come there to catch this specific species of fish,
24:38
Speaker 1: and they're.
24:39
Speaker 2: Everywhere panfish guys, you see, you.
24:41
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, and like a march yeah yeah, like a
24:45
Speaker 1: bluegill on the Gigantic. And so you've got like what's
24:49
Speaker 1: starting in late February, March and going into April. They're
24:52
Speaker 1: going on bed and then there's another thing that happens
24:55
Speaker 1: in the fall. I'm not completely familiar with it, but anyway,
24:59
Speaker 1: the most you're you know, if you're you're gonna say
25:01
Speaker 1: do you have a fishing license? Or what are you
25:03
Speaker 1: doing here? Why are you drunk out here in public?
25:05
Speaker 1: Because they're going to camp out and all. But can
25:08
Speaker 1: you imagine being a deputy and you walk into this
25:11
Speaker 1: RV and the thing is bathed in blood, and this
25:15
Speaker 1: person's a ghost. They've just vanished into thin air. What
25:21
Speaker 1: I'm not asking you to put on Mark Barton's hat here,
25:24
Speaker 1: but I got to ask you, what do you think
25:27
Speaker 1: his motivation? Well, I mean, what do you do with
25:30
Speaker 1: the rest of your life at that point in time.
25:32
Speaker 2: After you just destroyed your wife and her mother? If
25:35
Speaker 2: I'm at the mother of your children, by the way,
25:37
Speaker 2: you know, I believe those two children in the car.
25:39
Speaker 2: I believe those two children were asleep. I believe that
25:42
Speaker 2: Mark Barton hopped back in his Ford Taurus, which was
25:44
Speaker 2: fairly new at the time, and stripped off whatever he
25:47
Speaker 2: wore to cover himself while he was in there. He
25:50
Speaker 2: wasn't a stupid guy, knew what it was like to
25:52
Speaker 2: wear lab stuff, and hopped out in the car and
25:55
Speaker 2: drove home. And Mark Barton was the suspect. He was
25:59
Speaker 2: there only suspect, And there were some things that happened
26:02
Speaker 2: in the investigation. They brought him in. Now, father in law,
26:06
Speaker 2: he said he was great right up till the murders.
26:08
Speaker 2: You know, great son in law. Mark Barton would not
26:11
Speaker 2: take a polygraph. So uh, father in law not happy
26:15
Speaker 2: about that. His wife and his daughter are dead and
26:18
Speaker 2: the one guy won't take a polygraph.
26:20
Speaker 1: So oh they're chewed to pieces. Yeah, they're absolutely And
26:24
Speaker 1: you know, the father in law had to go back.
26:26
Speaker 1: He had to see that RV. Oh. You know, that's
26:29
Speaker 1: something he had to live with. So I can only
26:31
Speaker 1: imagine when this guy is refusing to take to take
26:35
Speaker 1: the polygraph. And here's another thing. And I can say
26:38
Speaker 1: this as being you know, being a papa. Now, can
26:43
Speaker 1: you imagine what's going on in your mind as a
26:47
Speaker 1: grandfather and you're like, yeah, this animal has my two
26:51
Speaker 1: grand babies. Yep.
26:53
Speaker 2: And that led to a battle, Joe. Actually after the death, okay,
26:57
Speaker 2: after police the guy took out a six one hundred
27:00
Speaker 2: thousand dollars life insurance policy. His wife's now dead. Four
27:03
Speaker 2: days later, after he takes that out, there was a battle.
27:06
Speaker 2: There was custody issues over the children. Mark Barton was
27:10
Speaker 2: the suspect. They couldn't pin it on him, Joe. The
27:12
Speaker 2: thing is, he was living in Lithia Springs, Georgia, and
27:15
Speaker 2: you had the Alabama officials out of Cherokee County, Alabama.
27:19
Speaker 2: They're investigating a murder there. But now you've got the
27:23
Speaker 2: Georgia officers are involved in the investigation because that's where
27:27
Speaker 2: he lives and that's where evidence might be. Evidence might
27:30
Speaker 2: be in his car. Well, here's the problem, and I'm
27:32
Speaker 2: going to throw this out because we've got to move on.
27:34
Speaker 2: Alabama investigators. You know, they get a search warrant for
27:37
Speaker 2: the car, They get his floormats out from his car.
27:41
Speaker 2: But you know what, they got the formats because it
27:44
Speaker 2: look like I have bloodstains on it. They let him
27:47
Speaker 2: keep the car, Joe and said, just don't wash it
27:51
Speaker 2: or anything. Oh, don't clean your car, don't do anything,
27:55
Speaker 2: and we'll be back later. So when they did come
27:58
Speaker 2: to get it, he had spilled coke and everything else.
28:00
Speaker 2: Everything was destroyed in there that could have been any
28:02
Speaker 2: of any.
28:04
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, you know then, you know I have
28:06
Speaker 1: to go back and it's easy to Monday morning quarterback. Yes,
28:09
Speaker 1: I know, but you're thinking. And here's the thing they
28:12
Speaker 1: did find. They found blood evidence in there, and this
28:16
Speaker 1: gives you an idea as to how far technology is
28:18
Speaker 1: advanced blood our since then. It gives you an idea
28:21
Speaker 1: how what size of blood these blood droplets were back
28:27
Speaker 1: then during that period of time, if you wanted to
28:29
Speaker 1: do DNA typing, you you probably would have had to
28:35
Speaker 1: have had a sample that would have been about the
28:36
Speaker 1: size of a quarter. Okay. Yeah, now this.
28:41
Speaker 2: Is pre OJ trial too, so we didn't know about
28:43
Speaker 2: a lot of this.
28:44
Speaker 1: Yeah you didn't. I mean, we knew about it in
28:46
Speaker 1: forensics obviously, but the sample size had to be really robust,
28:51
Speaker 1: you know, and you compare it till to day. If
28:53
Speaker 1: we find the most miniscule just taking something, it can
28:58
Speaker 1: be tested and so.
29:00
Speaker 2: Touch DNA might come up in the Coburger trial, just saying.
29:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, gee you think, yeah, yeah, it's going
29:07
Speaker 1: to come up, you know, Joe.
29:08
Speaker 2: I noticed that when they got the car back finally
29:10
Speaker 2: the cops got he had the gas and brake pedals,
29:13
Speaker 2: had been thoroughly cleaned and recently conditioned with armorole everything
29:17
Speaker 2: in that car gone, so it was no use. But
29:20
Speaker 2: the thing is, he was still the main suspect and
29:23
Speaker 2: the police were fighting every which way they could. It
29:25
Speaker 2: was the police that actually helped the insurance company do
29:27
Speaker 2: battle with him. The insurance company didn't want to pay out.
29:29
Speaker 2: They did not want to pay out.
29:31
Speaker 1: I think they had like a negotiated settlement. They did.
29:33
Speaker 1: They had agreed. They had agreed at least to put
29:38
Speaker 1: like one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars in a
29:41
Speaker 1: trust for those kids.
29:42
Speaker 2: I think it was a six hundred thousand dollars policy.
29:44
Speaker 2: They negotiated it to four hundred and fifty thousand, but
29:47
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand of this goes into a
29:49
Speaker 2: trust for your kids. You can have access to three
29:51
Speaker 2: hundred thousand, sign off on it, and we'll walk away.
29:54
Speaker 2: That's what they did. So what did Mark Barton do well.
29:57
Speaker 2: The first thing is within a week of the funeral
30:00
Speaker 2: of his wife, the mother of his children and her mother,
30:08
Speaker 2: LeeAnne Vanderver, a girl that he had met on his
30:13
Speaker 2: sales trips, you know, when he was worked as a salesman.
30:16
Speaker 2: She starts spending days over there, nights over there at
30:19
Speaker 2: his house in Lofia Springs, the home where his wife
30:22
Speaker 2: had just been. Within six months, she moves in with him.
30:28
Speaker 2: So the girl that they suspected he was having an
30:30
Speaker 2: affair with police did moves in with Mark Barton within
30:35
Speaker 2: six months of the passing of his wife. Now, Leanne
30:38
Speaker 2: Vanderver was considerably younger than Mark Barton at the time
30:41
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety three, he was thirty eight. Leanne Vanderver
30:45
Speaker 2: was Let's see, she had been twenty one and him
30:50
Speaker 2: in dating for two years, so she was nineteen when
30:53
Speaker 2: he's in his late thirties and they're dating behind his
30:56
Speaker 2: wife's back. She moves in when she's twenty one, thirty eight,
31:00
Speaker 2: thirty nine.
31:02
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm not a big fan of the term dating. Yeah, yeah,
31:08
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it implies something else, I mean,
31:11
Speaker 1: and this guy's a real scumback you know, because he's
31:14
Speaker 1: running around on his wife with these two babies, and
31:18
Speaker 1: he you know, obviously butchers his wife and and his
31:23
Speaker 1: you know, and his mother in law. And I'm thinking
31:26
Speaker 1: about this young woman, and she's an adult. She's made
31:30
Speaker 1: this decision to be with him, and I'm thinking, wouldn't
31:34
Speaker 1: you at least have an inkling of what he was in?
31:38
Speaker 1: You know, what happened to your first wife? Where is she?
31:40
Speaker 1: I know you were married, you know what's the story? Well,
31:43
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, she's got an instant family,
31:46
Speaker 1: doesn't she.
31:46
Speaker 2: Yep, because he's retained two kids.
31:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's retained these kids. I mean, he's retained the kids.
31:52
Speaker 1: They're domiciled with him and her to whom he gets
31:57
Speaker 1: married and they leave Lithia Springs, which is if you're
32:02
Speaker 1: not familiar with Atlanta, there's Marietta, which is kind of
32:06
Speaker 1: a big area. It's kind of to the northwest of Atlanta.
32:10
Speaker 1: Lithia Springs is even further west, and so that means
32:13
Speaker 1: it's closer to Alabama. You think about the pathway he
32:18
Speaker 1: would have taken getting from eastern Alabama, which is where
32:21
Speaker 1: Lake Weiss is, to Lithia Springs. It's very easily done.
32:25
Speaker 1: It's not a heavy lift. Even on back roads. You
32:28
Speaker 1: could get there really, you know, pretty quickly. But you know,
32:31
Speaker 1: they leave there and they wind up going down to Stockbridge, Georgia,
32:35
Speaker 1: which is completely well if you think about a clock face,
32:39
Speaker 1: and Atlanta's right in the center of it. Marietta is
32:44
Speaker 1: about at the eleven o'clock position, Lithia Springs is at
32:49
Speaker 1: about the ten o'clock position. Stockbridge is at about the
32:56
Speaker 1: five o'clock position. So it's on the other side of
32:58
Speaker 1: the clock face from from where they were. So he
33:02
Speaker 1: moves and again it's another suburb. It's along the ICE
33:05
Speaker 1: seventy five corridor, just on the south side. He lived
33:08
Speaker 1: off of the I seventy five corridor on the north
33:10
Speaker 1: side before that. Okay, so he can and it's easy.
33:14
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a commuting distance from Atlanta. You're doing
33:16
Speaker 1: business in Atlanta. So he sets up, they sets up.
33:20
Speaker 2: He uses the money, the insurance money to set himself
33:23
Speaker 2: up as a day trader. He takes Joe, we noticed,
33:26
Speaker 2: we got it down to he had three hundred thousand
33:28
Speaker 2: dollars in that payout. He takes two hundred and ninety
33:31
Speaker 2: four thousand dollars of that money and puts it into
33:35
Speaker 2: his day trading account. He's going to be a big
33:37
Speaker 2: man on Wall Street. And oh my goodness, Joe, it
33:42
Speaker 2: didn't take long after he and Leanne van Dervert when
33:44
Speaker 2: she becomes Leanne Barton and stepmother to Matthew David Barton.
33:49
Speaker 2: Who is he's looking up to his You know, they
33:52
Speaker 2: were both the kids were too young when their mother
33:55
Speaker 2: passed away. Michelle was two and a half, David was five,
34:01
Speaker 2: So they were very young. Matthew David rather very young
34:04
Speaker 2: when their mother passed away. Now they've got a stepmother
34:07
Speaker 2: and their dad and stepmom is young now in their
34:13
Speaker 2: first couple of years together, Joe neighbors said, it was
34:17
Speaker 2: pretty routine for her to leave and there to be
34:19
Speaker 2: a fight on the neighborhood street. Now, that's why I
34:22
Speaker 2: read some comments from neighbors the week of the massacre
34:26
Speaker 2: talking about what kind of person Barton was. Go back
34:30
Speaker 2: and talk to him later on, and they're like, no, man,
34:32
Speaker 2: They were constantly fighting. She was always threatening to leave
34:36
Speaker 2: or leaving. She spent a lot of time. There was
34:38
Speaker 2: even discussion that by the time of July twenty seven,
34:42
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, leam Vanderver was no longer living with
34:45
Speaker 2: Barton all the time, and that's where he wakes up.
34:50
Speaker 2: July twenty seventh, nineteen ninety nine, Mark Barton wakes up
34:53
Speaker 2: in his bed. His wife Leanne is there, and according
34:57
Speaker 2: to his own actions, his own words here, Mark Barton
35:02
Speaker 2: begins the killing spree. He kills his wife in her sleep.
35:06
Speaker 2: It says he bludgeoned her. He bludgeoned his second wife
35:10
Speaker 2: in her sleep. He stuffs her body in a closet
35:15
Speaker 2: in the master bedroom yep, and goes on about his
35:18
Speaker 2: merried way. Nobody knows about this on July twenty seventh.
35:21
Speaker 2: That morning, the next day, July twenty eighth, nineteen ninety nine,
35:29
Speaker 2: Mark Barton kills his children from his first marriage, Michelle
35:39
Speaker 2: who was eight, and Mark David, who was eleven. He
35:44
Speaker 2: kills both of them by beating them in the head
35:47
Speaker 2: with a hammer and then dunking their bodies in bath
35:52
Speaker 2: of water to make sure they were dead.
35:53
Speaker 1: They were drowned. Yeah, Can I interject something here? It
35:57
Speaker 1: was yeah, when this occurred, and remember this occurred, it
36:02
Speaker 1: was like a two and a half day period relative
36:05
Speaker 1: to relative to the murder of his second wife, these
36:10
Speaker 1: kids and then leading up to the Buckhead massacre and
36:14
Speaker 1: eventually his own death, you come through an event like
36:20
Speaker 1: the Masker and Buckhead where you've got nine people that
36:24
Speaker 1: are essentially shot to death in two separate locations. And
36:30
Speaker 1: for those that aren't familiar with Buckhead, Buckhead is like
36:32
Speaker 1: the upscale area of Atlanta. Okay, you're young, you think
36:38
Speaker 1: that you know you're going to be, you know, the
36:41
Speaker 1: top of the heap, and that's that's where you would
36:43
Speaker 1: want to move. It's where all the clubs are and
36:45
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. So these two businesses are
36:48
Speaker 1: up there and they're both day trading businesses. They're kind
36:51
Speaker 1: of across the street from one another. It was during
36:55
Speaker 1: that period I remember talking to a colleague of mine
36:58
Speaker 1: that was like the lead on to these bodies, and
37:04
Speaker 1: I remember them saying at the time, Dave, that when
37:09
Speaker 1: we got the news, after we had spent all day
37:12
Speaker 1: out at the scene processing these scenes, and these scenes
37:16
Speaker 1: are surreal, you know again.
37:19
Speaker 2: Talking about at the Buckhead, at the Okay, at.
37:22
Speaker 1: The yeah, at the at the scene, there was like
37:26
Speaker 1: this moment in time after they're done with this where
37:29
Speaker 1: they're told, oh, by the way, the bodies of his
37:36
Speaker 1: current wife and his two children have been found beaten
37:42
Speaker 1: to death and stacked in a closet. And it's like
37:47
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about from an investigative perspective here, Dave,
37:51
Speaker 1: When when this occurred, if you if you didn't think
37:58
Speaker 1: that the wind had already been taken out of your
38:00
Speaker 1: and you're emotionally drained because you are after working scene
38:02
Speaker 1: because they're very intense, and keep in mind when the
38:05
Speaker 1: shooting took place, this is hours and hours before Mark
38:09
Speaker 1: Barton would die himself. You think that you still have
38:12
Speaker 1: a mad and they did. You still got a madman
38:14
Speaker 1: on the loose. You're going to have to push this
38:16
Speaker 1: through all the way through, work the scene, do the autopsies,
38:20
Speaker 1: collect all of the evidence that you can, and then
38:22
Speaker 1: hopefully they catch this guy in prosecuting. Well, that's the
38:25
Speaker 1: mindset they were in, and they're thinking, you know, oh
38:28
Speaker 1: my god, we've got there's three more bodies down in
38:31
Speaker 1: Henry County, which is where Stockbridge is, and that was
38:34
Speaker 1: worked by a separate agency along with the GBI. So
38:39
Speaker 1: it's hard to take the measure of it, is what
38:40
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
38:41
Speaker 2: We know that so he kills his wife one more
38:44
Speaker 2: in her sleep. Then he kills the children while they're sleeping,
38:47
Speaker 2: and then he So the twenty seventh is wife, twenty eighth,
38:50
Speaker 2: the kids. Then the twenty ninth is when he goes
38:52
Speaker 2: into town and where he has by the way, he's
38:56
Speaker 2: lost his money. Every money's gone. He had blown one
39:01
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars in the last couple of months. He
39:03
Speaker 2: shows up at the first place that he did a
39:06
Speaker 2: lot of trading at was Momentum Securities. At Momentum Securities,
39:09
Speaker 2: he had been there twice that week and they were like,
39:13
Speaker 2: you had a margin call, you got no money. He
39:15
Speaker 2: writes a fifty thousand dollars check to open up his account,
39:17
Speaker 2: so they get trading again and it bounces. So they're like, no,
39:21
Speaker 2: you can't do that. Well, when he shows up, they
39:26
Speaker 2: know him because he has been trading with them. When
39:30
Speaker 2: he shows up on the day of the twenty ninth,
39:32
Speaker 2: he walks in and he's talking, he's talking to people
39:36
Speaker 2: like everything's just fine, just normal, and then he pulls
39:39
Speaker 2: out guns Joe. Now, so far we know that allegedly
39:43
Speaker 2: he kills his first wife and her mother with a
39:46
Speaker 2: hatchet or something in a very confined area and leaves.
39:50
Speaker 2: He's killed his second wife and his own children with
39:54
Speaker 2: a hammer and leaves. So you would think he would
39:59
Speaker 2: stay along that the same line, that he would use
40:02
Speaker 2: a hammer or something to start beating people, but he doesn't.
40:05
Speaker 2: He actually breaks out the guns when he gets at
40:07
Speaker 2: momentum securities.
40:09
Speaker 1: I think that this is evidence of and this is
40:12
Speaker 1: kind of obvious, I know, but it's evidence of an
40:16
Speaker 1: escalation relative to how much have it and how much
40:19
Speaker 1: hell can I can I reek upon this world that
40:22
Speaker 1: I hate so badly? Wow, because I have been robbed,
40:25
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna try. And you know, look, blunt force
40:29
Speaker 1: is brutal. We know that sharp force is brutal, but
40:33
Speaker 1: it's hardly efficient. Okay, medieval times they fought with with
40:38
Speaker 1: with blunt objects, and they fought with swords. We've moved
40:42
Speaker 1: now to firearms. He shows up to you're in a camper.
40:47
Speaker 2: We're in a neighborhood home, right, people are going to
40:50
Speaker 2: hear a gunshot and remember it, Yeah, not going to
40:53
Speaker 2: hear a hit to the head with a hammer trying
40:56
Speaker 2: to cry.
40:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you would, And I think they you know,
41:00
Speaker 1: with his his children and his second wife, he ran
41:05
Speaker 1: that risk because they were living in an apartment. If
41:06
Speaker 1: you've ever I'm sure everybody in our you know sound
41:09
Speaker 1: of the voice, have at least been in an apartment.
41:11
Speaker 1: You can hear what's going on on the other side
41:13
Speaker 1: of the wall. I hated living in apartments anyway, you know,
41:17
Speaker 1: but that's the nature of it. Look, when you show
41:20
Speaker 1: up with firearms like this and you're going into a business,
41:25
Speaker 1: uh establishment here, your purposed at that point. And you know, listen,
41:30
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to forget people
41:33
Speaker 1: in this because we've got nine victims of the shooting
41:38
Speaker 1: by itself, but Dave, there were like I think there
41:40
Speaker 1: were like double digit people that were injured. And you know,
41:45
Speaker 1: in addition to this, in the office parks here, so
41:48
Speaker 1: he's he's raining, you know, he's raining down havoc. In
41:51
Speaker 1: this environment, people are scurrying everywhere. There's a classic image.
41:57
Speaker 1: You can see him leaving on a sea a TV
42:01
Speaker 1: camera footage. You know, he's like it's a still shot.
42:03
Speaker 1: It's black and white. Yeah, and he's wearing like a
42:07
Speaker 1: white T shirt, pair of shorts, pair of tennis shoes
42:09
Speaker 1: or whatever. Very you know, like if you saw him,
42:13
Speaker 1: he's not going to look like you know, some some
42:16
Speaker 1: kind of ogre coming out of the past, you know,
42:18
Speaker 1: or you know, somebody lives in their bridge and each
42:22
Speaker 1: Billy goes, you're talking about somebody that just looks like
42:27
Speaker 1: John Key Public that walks in here, and it's Satan
42:31
Speaker 1: incarnate at this point in time, I think. You know,
42:37
Speaker 1: later that same night, you know, they they tracked him down.
42:41
Speaker 1: You know, he tried to kidnap. He tried to kidnap
42:43
Speaker 1: a girl. So he goes into momentium securities. He kills four,
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Speaker 1: wounds others. He then walks across the street to an
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Speaker 1: all tech investment group, makes him a small tech with
42:53
Speaker 1: the small truck with the receptionists there, nobody knows what
42:57
Speaker 1: just happened in momentum, nobody knows his wife and kids
42:59
Speaker 1: are dead, nobody knows any of that's going on.
43:01
Speaker 2: And he breaks out the guns and starts firing. Now,
43:04
Speaker 2: this all happened very quickly. The murders a momentum, and
43:07
Speaker 2: then the shooting that takes place at all Tech Investment
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Speaker 2: Group where five people are murdered there, right, Yeah, because
43:13
Speaker 2: he had a total of nine people murdered. I don't
43:15
Speaker 2: know totals on how many people were wounded. People that
43:18
Speaker 2: are still mentally, emotionally scarred for life, for life. So
43:23
Speaker 2: he leaves there. Now this is when he hops in
43:26
Speaker 2: his mini van and takes off and they get him.
43:29
Speaker 2: Are they chasing him right off the bat Joe.
43:31
Speaker 1: They're looking for him, and everybody knows what he's driving.
43:34
Speaker 1: And I remember that going out on the air. You
43:38
Speaker 1: know they're looking for this minivan. I think it was white,
43:40
Speaker 1: and so you're going to put out an APB, the
43:42
Speaker 1: all Points bulletin, and you know that he's not going
43:47
Speaker 1: to stay in the city.
43:48
Speaker 2: They knew his name though, didn't they, because people that
43:50
Speaker 2: survived knew him.
43:52
Speaker 1: That's that's Mark Barton, mark O Barton, I think it's
43:57
Speaker 1: or and or something like that, And so they, you know,
44:01
Speaker 1: they know who this guy is. It's not like he's
44:03
Speaker 1: somebody that walks into I don't know, into a big
44:06
Speaker 1: department store just off the street. He's gone to a
44:09
Speaker 1: place that he's familiar with and that is familiar with him, right,
44:13
Speaker 1: and he's he begins to rain down this terror. And
44:20
Speaker 1: it's at that moment time as he's fleeing, and I'm
44:25
Speaker 1: not really clear about the dynamics, but I know that
44:27
Speaker 1: I have if memory serves me correctly. From that day
44:31
Speaker 1: he had made an attempt to kidnap a girl to
44:36
Speaker 1: get her into the vehicle with him, you know, to
44:39
Speaker 1: kind of take a hostage, I guess as a shield
44:41
Speaker 1: or something like this.
44:42
Speaker 2: And she funny when you mentioned the apb Okay. Yeah,
44:45
Speaker 2: there was four hours of searching for him from the
44:48
Speaker 2: time he left All Tech Investment Group. They knew who
44:51
Speaker 2: they were looking for, they knew what he was driving.
44:53
Speaker 2: Four hours of metro Atlanta and surrounding areas terrorized by
44:58
Speaker 2: a guy who has just shot up two different businesses.
45:02
Speaker 2: They don't know what's coming next. They're looking for him,
45:05
Speaker 2: and that's when he ends up in Kennesau. And where's
45:06
Speaker 2: Kennisau in relation to bucket, Yeah.
45:09
Speaker 1: If you think about Kennisau Kinnisaw is you remember how
45:13
Speaker 1: I mentioned Marietta earlier, Well, you have to go pasted on.
45:16
Speaker 1: If you think about seventy five that runs northwest. Ok
45:21
Speaker 1: As you're leaving out of Atlanta, you're going to first
45:23
Speaker 1: pass Marietta, and then you're going to go up even
45:26
Speaker 1: further and you're going to get to Kennesau, Okay, And
45:29
Speaker 1: so Kennisaw is further north and so he's cruising along.
45:34
Speaker 1: The police are on him. He pulls over into a
45:37
Speaker 1: service station. It's already dark outside by this time.
45:39
Speaker 2: He tries to take that young girl hostage.
45:41
Speaker 1: He did, and they wind up surrounding She bought to
45:45
Speaker 1: think again.
45:46
Speaker 2: She got away and she called police that they didn't
45:48
Speaker 2: know he was there, They didn't know they were looking.
45:51
Speaker 2: They were all looking for Mark Barton in a white
45:53
Speaker 2: mini van. They didn't know where he was exactly until
45:56
Speaker 2: that girl. She's a hero because there's no telling he
45:59
Speaker 2: was trying to take her hostage to maybe be a negotiation,
46:02
Speaker 2: a shield, I don't know. But she calls the police
46:05
Speaker 2: and say, I got him. Here he is, and they
46:08
Speaker 2: were there.
46:09
Speaker 1: Right on top of it, and they did surround him
46:12
Speaker 1: that night, They've got police surrounding the vehicle and he
46:15
Speaker 1: makes the decision, you know, to put the weapon to
46:18
Speaker 1: the side of his head and kill himself. I'm Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan and this is body bags