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11-4 H3: Ty Dane Gonzalez Joins, Talkbacks & Seahawks Red Zone Defense · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back, Chuck, in the morning. Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.
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  Speaker 1: 8 o'clock here on a Wednesday morning. Lots going on.
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  Speaker 1: Seahawks lose on Monday Night Football. Mariners hire a new manager.
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  Speaker 1: And joining us to talk about that last point there
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  Speaker 1: is my good friend, Ty Day-Gonzalez of Locked On Mariners.
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  Speaker 1: We have lots of questions, Ty, so appreciate you hopping
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  Speaker 1: on the show today here on a Wednesday morning.
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  Speaker 2: How are you, good sir?
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate it, Andrew. It's good to talk with you, man.
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  Speaker 1: During the offseason, you and I maybe don't get to
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  Speaker 1: interact as much as I would have hoped, but getting
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  Speaker 1: you on here after the Mariners finally end their managerial
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  Speaker 1: search with Jason Kanzler as the guy to lead the
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  Speaker 1: helm coming into the 2027 season, what are your first
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  Speaker 1: impressions of the hire?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, man. It is quite the risk to take here
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  Speaker 3: by Jerry to Poto and what seems to be on
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  Speaker 3: the surface, his last shot to make this work in
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  Speaker 3: Seattle and what may very well be his last shot
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  Speaker 3: at keeping a high level decision-making job in major league
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  Speaker 3: baseball to bank a lot of that on a 36
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  Speaker 3: year old who's never managed before. It's, um, Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 3: definitely a swing for the fences, I would say, from
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  Speaker 3: DePoto mostly, and a little bit for this organization as well.
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  Speaker 3: I think for the organization, there isn't as much risk,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Because it's just like, well,
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  Speaker 3: if this doesn't work, then they move on from basically everyone.
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  Speaker 3: We just do this process in a bigger way next year.
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  Speaker 3: But for DePoto specifically, it's a massive... And I find
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  Speaker 3: that interesting compared to who else they could have hired
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  Speaker 3: and who else... DePoto could have hired in this situation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you put it out on Twitter yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: I'll let you kind of characterize that. How would you say,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this compared to the other finalists reportedly being
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  Speaker 1: Joe Espada? It seems like, as you said, it's the
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  Speaker 1: riskier hire. But how would you characterize this choice compared
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  Speaker 1: to what the alternative was?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, you know, we, we never really know
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  Speaker 3: with any manager, even guys that have managed in the past.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's some exceptions to that where like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like this guy's pretty good at what he does or,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like this guy there, there, you know, hard, some,
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  Speaker 3: some great things there. Yeah. But with Joe Espada, uh,
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  Speaker 3: I think he's gotten a little bit of a bad
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  Speaker 3: rap for how lackluster things went under him in Houston.
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  Speaker 3: There were a lot of issues at the top level
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  Speaker 3: in Houston. There have been since they won their last
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  Speaker 3: title and they fired James Click, their previous GM, just
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  Speaker 3: a few days after winning that title. And the rosters
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  Speaker 3: that Espada managed were... you know, they definitely had a
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  Speaker 3: lot of talent, you know, a lot of the big
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  Speaker 3: names that we're very familiar with, but that's an aging roster.
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  Speaker 3: It's definitely not, it hasn't been a well-rounded roster and
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  Speaker 3: they've had some pretty big injuries as well. So I
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  Speaker 3: felt like a spot would have been probably fine, you know,
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  Speaker 3: but it felt safe, you know, it felt kind of
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  Speaker 3: good enough and it, And I hate to invoke this,
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  Speaker 3: but the Espada thing felt kind of 54%, which that
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  Speaker 3: might be all the Mariners needed, given the state of
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  Speaker 3: the American League West and.
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  Speaker 1: The American League at large.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. But I find it interesting, and I kind
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  Speaker 3: of respect it, that Jerry and company, they're shooting for
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  Speaker 3: something bigger than that.
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  Speaker 2: Would you say Jason Kanzler is the bold, forward-thinking, hire-the-Mariners need?
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  Speaker 4: Or is.
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  Speaker 2: Seattle taking too much of a risk here, hiring someone
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  Speaker 2: with no managerial experience at any level?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's the thing that we have to
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  Speaker 3: kind of just ultimately wait and see, right? They needed
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  Speaker 3: someone who was going to attack this enthusiastically and confidently
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  Speaker 3: and And clearly the Mariners feel that they, they, they
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  Speaker 3: believe that he's the guy that can absolutely do this
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  Speaker 3: because Jason Candler has a lot of work to do.
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  Speaker 3: Whoever was going to be hired as a manager has
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  Speaker 3: a ton of work to do. And in a very
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  Speaker 3: unique off season where he's not going to have a
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  Speaker 3: lot of time to do it either. So, you know,
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  Speaker 3: really like he's got, a little over three weeks here
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  Speaker 3: to connect with his players as much as he can.
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  Speaker 3: Then once the lockout happens, he's not going to be
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  Speaker 3: able to connect. you know officially with uh with any
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  Speaker 3: of his players and then we don't know how long
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  Speaker 3: of a spring training we're going to get we don't
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  Speaker 3: know how long of an off-season period we're going to
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  Speaker 3: get coming out of uh the lockout and then that
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  Speaker 3: work is going to have to continue into the regular
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  Speaker 3: season and there is just so much repair that has
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  Speaker 3: to be done after the way this um this last
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  Speaker 3: season went and what the state of the uh and
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  Speaker 3: what the state of the clubhouse is so Again, this
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  Speaker 3: is definitely a time will tell type of thing. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think just because, hey, he's never managed before and, hey,
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  Speaker 3: he's 36 years old, that necessarily means that this is
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  Speaker 3: going to not pan out or what have you. I
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  Speaker 3: think at the end of the day, what they need
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  Speaker 3: is a strong communicator, which Dan Wilson was very clearly
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  Speaker 3: not at all. Not just in terms of explaining his
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  Speaker 3: decision-making process to the media and to the fan base,
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  Speaker 3: but also it seems like pretty clearly behind closed doors.
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  Speaker 3: And I think Jason Kanzler is also someone, and I
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  Speaker 3: know it's easy to kind of simplify this into him
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  Speaker 3: being a yes man and all that. Maybe there is
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  Speaker 3: some of that to this, but like, I think it
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  Speaker 3: is important that Kanzler aligns better with Jerry DiPoto in
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  Speaker 3: this front office than Dan Wilson has, than Scott Service
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  Speaker 3: did towards the end of his tenure. And Kanzler does
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  Speaker 3: seem like he's cut from a similar-ish cloth. to, uh,
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  Speaker 3: to DePoto. So, um, if they can work well together
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  Speaker 3: and Kanzler can properly communicate the things that they want
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  Speaker 3: to execute to the players, I think that's really all
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  Speaker 3: you can ask for out of this situation. So again, it's,
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  Speaker 3: it's something that we'll just have to kind of wait
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  Speaker 3: and see, uh, once he gets into, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: best here.
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  Speaker 1: How do you draw the balance? And you kind of
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  Speaker 1: just alluded to it there. Um, For those fans who think, oh,
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  Speaker 1: Jerry's just getting a guy that's just not going to
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  Speaker 1: push back at all, and he's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: yes man, he's going to be a puppet, all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, you want someone who is
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  Speaker 1: going to have a similar vision to how.
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  Speaker 2: The team is going to be executed. You know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean?
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  Speaker 1: With Dan Wilson, it seemed like there was some philosophical
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  Speaker 1: differences that was just never going to work itself out.
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  Speaker 1: But you want to be rolling in the same direction.
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  Speaker 1: So how do you kind of balance the thought process...
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  Speaker 1: between having a guy that pushes you and maybe pushes
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  Speaker 1: back on some of the things that the president of
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  Speaker 1: baseball operations does, but also has a similar vision for
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  Speaker 1: how the team should be executed.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the situation is the situation, right? Jerry
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  Speaker 3: DiPoto is the president of baseball operations. Justin Hollander is
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  Speaker 3: the general manager. John Stanton and that group, they're the owners, right?
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  Speaker 3: That isn't changing as far as this year is concerned.
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  Speaker 3: So how do we best make this situation work? And so, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I think there has to be a lot of alignment
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  Speaker 3: there between... you know, that's unfortunately kind of turned into
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  Speaker 3: a buzzword here over the last month or so alignment,
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  Speaker 3: but it is true to a certain degree. Like there
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  Speaker 3: has to be some alignment between what they're doing at,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the field level and then, you know, with
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  Speaker 3: what they're doing in the front office. And then, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Jerry DePoto and his interview press conference, and then Justin
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  Speaker 3: Hollander a couple of days later when he spoke to
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  Speaker 3: the media, you know, they, they both, you know, emphasize
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  Speaker 3: wanting to bring in someone that challenges what they've been doing, right?
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  Speaker 3: Kind of to what you were just asking about. So hopefully,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that's a box that Kanzler has checked off here.
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  Speaker 3: But again, you know, it's so hard to talk about this, right?
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  Speaker 3: Because it's just like, we don't really know much about
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  Speaker 3: these guys, especially someone like Jason Kanzler, who's just never
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  Speaker 3: done it before and has been working in player development
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  Speaker 3: for the last we're really just going to have to
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  Speaker 3: kind of learn as we're trying to have, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: like as, as Candler is kind of learning the job, right.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to kind of have to learn who he
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  Speaker 3: is along with them. So it's tough right now, but yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we, we know what they've said
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  Speaker 3: and now you just kind of have to hope that,
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  Speaker 3: the candidate that they ultimately decided on here actually checks
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  Speaker 3: off those boxes. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think an underrated part of everything that's been going
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  Speaker 1: on the last couple of days is before the Mariners
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  Speaker 1: hired their manager and Jason Kanzler, they actually hired their
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  Speaker 1: hitting coach, which seems a little bit backwards. But it's
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  Speaker 1: coming out now that there are some connections between their
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  Speaker 1: hitting coach, C.J. Gilman and Jason Kanzler. What would you
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  Speaker 1: say about the timeline in which all that went down?
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  Speaker 1: And what do we expect the rest of his staff
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  Speaker 1: to be kind of filling out as this process moves along?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's a little interesting that, you know, yesterday a
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  Speaker 3: couple of national reporters are like, yeah, no, they're really
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  Speaker 3: good friends. And like, once that hire was made, like
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  Speaker 3: the writing was on the wall, it's like, you guys
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  Speaker 3: didn't think to mention that on Friday.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone's all like, no one hires their hitting coach first
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  Speaker 1: before the manager, but it actually turns out that they're connected.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So apparently they're really good friends. And, and so
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  Speaker 3: that makes more sense. Right. And you know, one of
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  Speaker 3: the big, quotes from, and I'll, you know, I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to paraphrase it here, but one of the big quotes
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  Speaker 3: from Jerry DePoto in his end of season press conference
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  Speaker 3: was that multiple players that had come up through their
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  Speaker 3: organization had come to the front office this year over
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  Speaker 3: the course of this year and said, the things that
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  Speaker 3: I learned at the minor league level coming up through
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  Speaker 3: this organization were abandoned at the major league level this year.
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  Speaker 3: So who better to kind of reestablish your philosophy that
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  Speaker 3: you believe in your core tenants. So you don't want
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  Speaker 3: to abandon them, especially this late in the game. Who
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  Speaker 3: better to reestablish that than the guy that and CJ Gelman.
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  Speaker 3: And then you add in the fact that he is
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  Speaker 3: good friends with Jason Kanzler, who also has, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I've heard is a wonderful offensive mind. So you pair
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  Speaker 3: those two guys together. I mean, it makes a lot
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  Speaker 3: of sense again, like, because we don't know a lot
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  Speaker 3: about these guys. We don't know a lot about Jason
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  Speaker 3: Kandler right now, and we'll learn more about him today
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  Speaker 3: when he speaks to the media at, what is it,
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  Speaker 3: 11 o'clock Pacific time. But because we don't know enough
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  Speaker 3: about these guys, really, all I really look for, all
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  Speaker 3: that kind of satisfies me for the time being, is
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  Speaker 3: that they went through a normal process, which by all
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  Speaker 3: accounts they did. And that the higher starts to connect
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  Speaker 3: some dots. And specifically on the Gilman thing, you can
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  Speaker 3: connect the dots there. And that makes sense on... multiple
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  Speaker 3: levels the relationship with candler and then again having overseen
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  Speaker 3: the hitting philosophy of the minor leagues for the mariners
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  Speaker 3: for the majority of this 2020s decade to kind of
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  Speaker 3: re-establish that major league level thing that makes a ton
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  Speaker 3: of sense does that mean that it's going to work
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  Speaker 3: does that mean that that's necessarily the best path does
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  Speaker 3: that mean that the mayor is hitting philosophy is the
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  Speaker 3: one that they should ultimately go with no but it makes.
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  Speaker 1: Sense So do you draw any conclusions from the fact
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  Speaker 1: that Jerry DePoto's three hires that he has had in
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  Speaker 1: his tenure as the GM slash president of baseball operations
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  Speaker 1: here in Seattle have all been guys who have zero
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  Speaker 1: previous managerial experience? That was the case with Scott Service.
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  Speaker 1: That was the case with Dan Wilson. And now that
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  Speaker 1: is the case with Jason Kanzler.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think at least a part of it, and
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  Speaker 3: those three guys are a bit different from one another.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there are some similarities between Service and Kanzler
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  Speaker 3: more so than really anything with Dan. Dan was just
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  Speaker 3: such a unique case. I think a big part of it, though,
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  Speaker 3: or at least a part of it, the player development
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  Speaker 3: side of things and the communication that you have to
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  Speaker 3: have as, you know, a player development guy as a
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  Speaker 3: front office guy with your players. Right. Um, so I think,
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  Speaker 3: I think that might be something that, that Jerry just values.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know for sure though. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Who benefits most from this Kanzler hire from what you
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  Speaker 1: can tell? Is it someone like a Cole Young or
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  Speaker 1: a Colt Emerson who is very much in the player
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  Speaker 1: development side of things? Or is it like a guy
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  Speaker 1: like Cal Raleigh who had a down season last year
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  Speaker 1: looking to bounce back? It's just a different voice kind
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  Speaker 1: of comes in and helps him figure it out again.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the one that we're all kind of
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  Speaker 3: hoping for is Julio. And Kanzler, there's already that clip
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  Speaker 3: of him talking about outfield and how much he loves outfield.
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  Speaker 3: That's been making the rounds here over the last 24
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  Speaker 3: hours since he's been hired. And I really thought that
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  Speaker 3: they needed to nail a hire that can meet Julio
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  Speaker 3: where he's at. And maybe a younger personality person. And
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  Speaker 3: just a younger presence is someone that can connect with
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  Speaker 3: Julio on that level. One of my favorite candidates in
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  Speaker 3: this process, in the early going of this process, was
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  Speaker 3: Rays bench coach Rodney Linares because he managed the 2023
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  Speaker 3: Dominican Republic team. And so he's got a connection there
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  Speaker 3: with Julio. And I think it was important to connect
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  Speaker 3: with Julio. And so hopefully Kanzler is someone that can
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  Speaker 3: do that, again, because he has this love of He
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  Speaker 3: is younger because he is, from everything that I've heard,
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  Speaker 3: a really, really good, really strong offensive line. Hopefully he
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  Speaker 3: can connect with Julio and get him on the right track.
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  Speaker 3: But I think having that younger presence in general, this
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  Speaker 3: is still a very young roster. I was looking at
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  Speaker 3: fan graphs yesterday, and the youngest player that like I
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  Speaker 3: feel confident is go or the oldest player that I
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  Speaker 3: feel confident is going to be on the roster next year.
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  Speaker 3: So not including Luke Rayleigh, because I don't know what's
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  Speaker 3: going to happen with them this off season is well,
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  Speaker 3: three of the relievers, Sir Anthony Dominguez, Gabe Spire and
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  Speaker 3: Edward Bizzardo, but also Johnny Parada.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Everyone else is like, about to enter their age
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  Speaker 3: 30 season or they're younger than that. So there's still
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  Speaker 3: a really young roster. We kind of forget that because
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  Speaker 3: it's just all the time that we've spent with these
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  Speaker 3: guys now and some of the big games that they've
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  Speaker 3: played in. But yeah, maybe having that younger presence allows
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  Speaker 3: for some bridges to be built here. But we'll have
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  Speaker 3: to see.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's move on to the roster for our last
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  Speaker 1: couple minutes here. What's next in the offseason? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: do you expect major changes? Do you expect kind of
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  Speaker 1: margins as we've come to expect in Mariners offseasons in
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  Speaker 1: the past couple years? I know it's hard to predict
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  Speaker 1: with the lockout looming, but what comes next for the
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  Speaker 1: Seattle Mariners as they try and fill out their roster
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  Speaker 1: for 2027?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they need to hit the ground running
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  Speaker 3: here in November. Now, there's been some conflicting reports or
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  Speaker 3: opinions about who all is going to be active in
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  Speaker 3: the month of November. I saw, I think it was
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Buster Olney the other day saying that he thinks about
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  Speaker 3: 18 teams are just going to sit out November. still
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  Speaker 3: means that there's 12, 12 other teams that are going
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  Speaker 3: to be doing stuff at the very least. And the
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  Speaker 3: Mariners before the last lockout, like they did some big stuff,
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  Speaker 3: you know, they, they went out and they traded for
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  Speaker 3: Adam Frazier. They signed Robbie Ray, like only a few
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  Speaker 3: hours before the deadline or before the, uh, the lockout, uh,
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  Speaker 3: was instated. So, um, So I expect them to at
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  Speaker 3: least try and do stuff if they need to, because
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  Speaker 3: they have just so much work that needs to be done,
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  Speaker 3: especially to protect themselves in some regards, like with Cole Emerson,
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  Speaker 3: because Cole Emerson is not going to swing a bat
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  Speaker 3: until February. And even if opening day gets pushed out
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  Speaker 3: a little bit, like he's not going to have the
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  Speaker 3: proper ramp up time. So like they should probably go
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: and get a shortstop, you know? And then now we've
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: heard this, you know, that, that Michael Arroyo's had surgery.
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  Speaker 3: So they, They're not just putting all the eggs in
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  Speaker 3: the baskets of those guys and they have the money
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  Speaker 3: to do it. And honestly, like, you know, I, my
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: co-host Colby and I, we always do an off-season plan.
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  Speaker 3: We're actually doing our off-season plan episode today on Lockdown Mariners.
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  Speaker 3: And when we, when we've gone through this, we've spent
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  Speaker 3: the last month basically building out the first of what's
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: probably going to wind up being three plans just because
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  Speaker 3: we're going to have time with the lockdown and everything. Right. Um, but, um,
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  Speaker 3: over the course of this, like, you know, they're going
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  Speaker 3: to start when you include all of their, uh, arbitration
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  Speaker 3: projections that, you know, that they're obviously going to tender.
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  Speaker 3: Once you include that, they're going to have, or they're
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  Speaker 3: going to be at about like 137 ish million dollars.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: And it's been reported that they're going to be allowed
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: to go back up to 165, $ 170 million. And, um,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: I just can't really figure out how they do that
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: realistically with this specific market, because obviously like, yeah, they
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: could go sign say a Suzuki.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: They could bring back radio Rosarito. That's not going to happen.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: But like with say a Suzuki, for example, like that's
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: a 32 year old corner outfielder. Who's probably going to
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: get a four to five year contract. Does that sound
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: like something that Jerry DePoto and Justin Holland are going
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: to do? No. So yeah, And then there's the possibility
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: of them trading George Kirby, and depending on what they
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: could get back in that deal, that could save them
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: an upwards of $ 10- ish million. So the payroll goes down
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: even further if you do that and address a couple
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: of roster spots like that. So I'm really curious to
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: see how they spend their money, but they should have
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: plenty of wiggle room to make some things happen here.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: And hopefully they... Don't skimp out on things like the
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: bench this time around. And they actually invest a little
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: bit in that, and they invest in the depth of
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: the bullpen group. and they they really round out the
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: edges and protect themselves in certain regards like i mentioned
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: like with a royal like emerson and use some of
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: that money to do that right because that's that's at
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: least like something that Like they should have, there should
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: be no questions about their ability to do. Yeah. Yeah.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I think that's, that's a good point you make there.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Where can we find this, uh, special edition, uh, off
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: season plan episode for, uh, locked on Mariners.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can find it on the Locked On Mariners
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: YouTube channel. Just type in Locked On Mariners over on
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: YouTube where you can find it wherever you get your podcasts, Spotify, Apple,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: all that good stuff. We are also currently running a
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: fundraiser with our good friend Rick Riz's Foundation Toys for Kids.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Awesome.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: So if you want to help us out, check that out.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: We'll tell you guys about that on the show today
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Perfect.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Well, it's always a good pleasure to talk to you,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Ty Dane Gonzalez. And, you know, we'll be looking out
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: for that episode and we'll talk to you down the road.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: OK, thank you. Thanks, Andrews.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Appreciate it.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, appreciate you hopping on. That's Ty Dane Gonzalez of
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Locked On Mariners.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Good stuff from him there.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: So reacting to what Ty and I talked about there,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: reacting to the Seahawks offense, Sam Donald, what would you
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: do there? Would you keep Clint Kubiak? Would you keep
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Brian Fleury? We hear your talkbacks. Coming up next, you're
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: on Chuck in the Morning on Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: If there was.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: Ever a time this organization needed a baseball guy, an
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: old school baseball guy to come in, get these players'
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: minds right. It was now. Hiring a 30-something first-time manager
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: is not.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: The way to motivate.
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: Julio or Naylor. I just don't see this working at all.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: But I guess the good news is we'll be done
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: with Jerry.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: After this year.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good way to look at it.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Like I said, for a lot of you, it's a win-win,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: to be completely honest. Either it works out and he's
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: like the next big thing in MLB managers, like Steven
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Vogt has been for the Cleveland Guardians, or like Kevin
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Cash has been for the Tampa Bay Rays, or it's
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: the end of the Jerry DePoto tenure. You take that
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: however you will. All right, let's get a couple more talkbacks.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: I don't see this ending well. I feel as though
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: they're going on the cheap once again. And if Jerry
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: doesn't manage to produce some sort of championship team this year,
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: I believe he should be let go.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: I'm fed up with him as it is.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, similar kind of sentiments there. I think
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of people.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: A lot of people were frustrated with Dan Wilson in
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the 2026 season specifically, but a lot of people would
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: point to Jerry DePoto as another issue and that he
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: shouldn't have been absolved from any blame. And I don't
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: think he was absolved from blame, but at the end
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: of the day, he gets one more shot to make
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: it work. And if it doesn't work, if it doesn't
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: end well, that it can't fall on anyone else, but
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Jerry DePoto.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Couple more.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: I'm done.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Just get so fricking old, man.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Can we just get a freaking manager that's not going
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: to kiss Jerry's ass and hold some people accountable?
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: Clearly, we need that. Anyway, this is Todd from Spanaway.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Go, Dawgs. Go, Hawks.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Nice, Todd. Appreciate you giving us your thoughts there. Yeah,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, as I talked about last segment with Ty,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I think– There is a balance between having someone who
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: executes the game plan so that from the top down,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: you are having a similar vision for how you want
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: the team to be constructed, for how you want the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: team to be playing, right? I think the best example
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: of that is the current World Series champion, right? Where
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: from their general manager to their manager to their players, everyone... understands, hey,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: this is how we're going to do things.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: But I think Pat Murphy is the perfect guy for
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: that role because, yes, he in general believes a lot
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: of the same values that his general manager has. is
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: trying to construct the team, right? But he also has
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: the ability to be like, no, I'm not going to
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: just look at everything, like rely on data 100% for
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: all of my decision-making. I'm going to insert where I
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: think we could be even better. And he has the
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: freedom to do that. Will that happen? With the current
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Mariners manager? I'm not sure. I'm really not sure. I
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: do think they went a little too far in the
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: opposite direction. Scott Service was very well known as Jerry's guy, right?
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: He stuck with him for a long time. He was
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the guy he picked out when he came to Seattle
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: to be his guy. Their relationship may have soured towards
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: the end of Scott Service's tenure. And I think Jerry in.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Kind of revelation realized that, OK, I need to get
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: someone who maybe looks at things a lot differently than
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I do. And that's where his thought process with Dan
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Wilson came into play. I need to get someone who
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: values the clubhouse. I need to get someone who maybe
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: has a little bit more of an old school mindset.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: View on things.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: And I think that is Dan Wilson, by the way,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: for those who are asking for an old school manager,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: that kind of was Dan Wilson. It's a player's manager.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Maybe he wasn't the guy to hold people accountable like
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of people have been asking for. But in
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: terms of how he views baseball to be played, he
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: definitely leans more to the old school side of things
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: than the data side. side of things so I think
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Jerry was like okay I need to get someone who
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: is good at that other stuff that I'm not good
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: at and I think that went too far in that
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: direction it was very much a Dan Wilson thanks This
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: is how things should be done. And Jerry thinks this
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: is how things should be done. And you could tell
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: there was just not a lot of coordination, not a
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: lot of solidarity between those two lines of thinking. So
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: hopefully they can marry those two ways of thinking with
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Jason Kanzler here.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: We got one more.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: No, that was it so far. Okay, cool.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: No, no worries.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of the way that I think
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: about this. Christopher, I don't know where you lie on
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: the experience versus no experience. I get the desire to
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: want someone who has had success at the major league
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: level before who maybe can push back more against Jerry DiPoto.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much Dan Wilson was able to
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: do that. I won't go as far as to say
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Dan Wilson was a puppet for Jerry DePoto. It's been
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: widely reported multiple times from multiple sources that Dan Wilson
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: actually went in the hiring process for the job, made
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: sure that he had autonomy. He had the ability to
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: make his own decisions before he accepted the job. And
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: that was, I think, one of the reasons why it
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: didn't end up working out in the end, more so
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: than Scott's service when his tenure came to the end.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: So I think Kanzler will have the ability to make
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: his own decisions. It's just, will it be aligned with
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: the same way that the team is structured to be
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: right now? So I don't know where you lie on
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: wanting someone With experience or wanting the guy that could
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: be the next up-and-coming manager, where do you lie on
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: that spectrum?
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: They're 0 for 3, right, in terms of getting guys
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: that don't have the, air quote, manager experience?
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: So why not go get a guy that does?
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: You missed out on 3, and now you're trying again.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's wrong. But the process shows that
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: hasn't worked out. But here we are. We got to
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: wait and see. It's a wait and see moment. So
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: I will hold off judgment and just wait and see.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I won't wait until 20 games in. They'll be like, oh,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: they're 10 and 10. This is terrible. I hate to
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: be the long season, but I have to use that term.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: It's a long season. But at the same time, at
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: what point will they figure it out? At what point?
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Is this guy going to be that leader that A
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: was talking about? He gets attention when he walks into
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: that room. Everybody's like, oh, yeah. Is that going to
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: help a Julio, a Cal? Because last year they didn't
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: play as well. And is Dan to blame for that?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Is the coaching staff? There's a lot of discussions around that.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: But everyone's saying how this dude will command it. He's well-loved.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: We're respected. That's all great and dandy. Is he going
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: to help you win games too? Because you can be
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: well-respected and still lose.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: And you can have all that. all those great qualities
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: in a manager and still be three games back in
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: the AL West.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: So we'll find out. I don't want to put too
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: much judgment on it now, but the track record has
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: spoke for itself.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: And this is it. This is like, it's not like
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: he's going to get another chance. So that's something that
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I think is a positive, not because I want Jerry
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: to photo gone, but because he knows that he has
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: to get this right.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: He's not going to get another chance. It's not, okay,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: let me just, play along with it, and oh, if
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: it doesn't work out, then I can just hire another one. No,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: this is his last chance. This is absolutely his last chance.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: So he knows his job's on the line. He's going
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: to get the guy that's going to, in his eyes,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: be the most successful. And Marcus in the 206 puts
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: out a good text here. You can be young and
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: old school. I'm 30 and very old school baseball with thinking.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: So I don't know anything about Jason Kanzler, but there
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: could be an opportunity for him to come in. Yes,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: he's a younger guy, but he could be a very
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: old school mind, so to speak. Well, as you said,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: time will tell. It's so hard to judge right now
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: because we don't really know anything about him. All right,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: coming up next, we'll discuss, go back to a little
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: bit of a Seahawk discussion. A lot's been talked about
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: the offense and the running game and Sam Darnold and
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Brian Fleury. I want to talk a little bit about
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: the defense. Why can't this team keep teams out of
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: the end zone when they get in the red zone?
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: That's coming up next. Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Welcome back.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Chuck in the Morning Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM. Anderson Harris,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Christopher Kidd filling in for Chuck. Don't worry, those of
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: you Chuck Powell fans that are clamoring for him to
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: return and don't want to suffer through me any longer.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: He will be back later on this week, so only
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: a little bit more. Don't worry about it, but... We're
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: just keeping the seat warm for that guy as he
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: visits his family, spends a little days on vacation. And
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: of course, everything goes down when he goes on vacation.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Seahawks loss on Monday Night Football is one of those
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: things that goes down. One of the things that we've
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: talked about, you know, maybe not mentioned as heavily. We
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: talked about the offense, you know, the running game. Uh,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: you know, Brian Flurry, if he's able to get things
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: going a little bit on the offensive side, Sam Donald,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: where we evaluate him at this point in the year.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: But I think the defense is not, you know, uh,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: devoid of criticism either for, for me, they just, um,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: they've been really good this year. Don't get me wrong.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: They're still the strongest unit on this team, but, But
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: there are some holes that are being noticed a little
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: bit more this year than we have seen throughout their
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl year last year. And I think one of
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: those things is, as we talked about with Greg at
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: 7 o'clock, the red zone. When teams get inside the 20,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: they more often than not are scoring touchdowns. And for
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: a team that is as good defensively in all facets
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: of the game, They're good at the defensive line. They're
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: good at the second level. They're good in the secondary.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: They can get to the quarterback. They can stop the run.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: There's really not a weakness. They have good depth. For
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: whatever reason, they can't stop teams in the red zone. Christopher,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: how do you describe that? For a team that is
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: as well-coached, well-schemed, has really good pieces, why can't they
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: stop teams from getting in the end zone when it
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: gets to the red zone?
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Offense gets paid, too. And the offenses are making it tough.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: You just got to be honest.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: But why does this defense, more than almost any other defense,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: allow more touchdowns?
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: That's a great question. Maybe it's, you know, my Madonna
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: would say he's not putting his guys in the best
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: position to make plays. Because part of the role as
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: a defensive coordinator is putting your best players out there
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: to make plays.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: End of story. You're going to put Nick here because
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Nick is able to do A, B, and C. You're
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: going to put Josh Jobe there because he's able to
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: do A, B, and C. You're going to put Julian Lutz.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: You do that with all your guys. And you have
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: those matchups. When they win their matchups, everyone's like, oh,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: my God, that's the greatest defense ever.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: But as I mentioned, the offense, they are prepared just
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: as well, just as much. Not to take away from
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: your question or the simplicity of sometimes it's just football
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: and the offense wins because that's what it is. The
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: offense is winning. And the red zone, that is, right?
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: It's definitely a concern. They've got to tighten up, be better,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: and I would bet that Mike Wendon will look at
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: himself and say, yeah, I have to put my guys
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: in better position. I have to be a better play
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: caller because we've seen that throughout his time as a
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: head coach.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: So from your eyes, is it a scheming thing? Is
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: it a personnel thing?
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's everything. It's all that. Scheme. Play calling.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Players going out there and executing, right? If you're supposed
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: to do A and you don't do A, Mike Wendon's like,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: what the hell are you doing? I've got to call
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: a timeout now. Or we get beat here for a touchdown.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's really just simple, like against the Niners. Why
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: were you leaving Josh Jobe on Mike Evans? Well, it's,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: you know, I trust my guy, Josh Jobe. I mean,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: who else do you want out there? He's probably going to,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: to be fair, he's going to beat everybody. Your best
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: bet is to maybe double him. But Mike McDonald had
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: his game plan. He assessed it the way he thought
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: it would work. It didn't work out that way. Sometimes
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: you just tip your hat. Kind of like last season
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: against the Rams. The Seahawks still won, but Devontae Adams
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: and Puka Nakua were just killing the Seahawks. Yeah, that's
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: a good point. And there was, you know, everyone's like, oh, well,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: but you know what? Sam Donald delivered. When they needed him,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: that is Sam Donald, he delivered. It was a back
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: and forth. Matt Stafford finds Puka, 70-yard touchdown. It was
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: just back and forth, but Sam was able to keep
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: up with it. Now you're seeing that Sam doesn't have
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: that right now. The defense is giving up more touchdowns.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Sam's having a little bit of a turnover issue, taking
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: bad sacks, not getting rid of the football, you name it.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: And now it's like, oh, what's going on? We saw it.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I think it just give them a little time. They'll
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: figure it out. I know they believe what they're doing,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: but I do think it is a concern. And I'm
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: confident that the defense will get it figured out. And
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: then they'll get the ground, hit the ground rolling. And
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: we'll be like, this is the defense that everyone was
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: looking forward to consistently.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Right. Right.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: So I will just, you know, offense gets paid a
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: little bit of money to Ben Johnson. Watch the tape.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: He was really prepared that a bunch of quick screens that,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: caught the Seahawks maybe off guard, right? So I think
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Sunday is an opportunity for this team to really get
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: back to their roots and be that dominant defense. You're
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: going up against an Arizona team that's been up and
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: down a rollercoaster season. They have a new starting quarterback.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: They lost their starting running back. This is an opportunity
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: to go out there and dominate. Send another message. Yeah,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: we got beat by the Bears by 17 at home.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Go out there. It's a home game, right? I think
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: it's on the road. So go to Arizona and handle business.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Show that you're the dark side. It is home. So
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: you get another opportunity at home against the 12 to
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: show that, yeah, we screwed up last week, but we
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: got you guys. We're going to go out here and
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: perform at our best from play caller all the way
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: down to the guys on the field.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the other thing that should be pointed
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: out is if I remember correctly, this wasn't necessarily a
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: strength of the defense last year in the red zone,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: but it wasn't a weakness as much as it is
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: right now. So much of the way they work, and
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: they've talked about this multiple times on broadcasts, is they
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: play in a too-high shell, but they're still able to
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: stop the run. That doesn't necessarily work when there's not
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: a ton of space behind you. Their biggest thing is
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: they take away the big play, but then they make
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: the tackle when you go underneath, right? Now, underneath stuff
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: is still open, but instead of having a guy run
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: for six yards and be.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Third and four, it's a touchdown because they gained three yards,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: and that's all you need to score the touchdown. So
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I think it's just kind of the way that the
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: defense is schemed right now more than anything else, and
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: it's not necessarily like an oversight. It's just, hey, this
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: is what we're giving up. You got to take something away.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: You got to kind of give something up in order
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: to take something away, if you know what I mean.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: So that's just kind of the way it's constructed, but
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: maybe there is a way to kind of tweak some
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: things to– maybe be a little bit more aggressive and
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: be able to keep teams out of end zones and
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: hold them to field goals more often than not when
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: they get inside the red zone.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Coming up next, we'll talk some dogs with Cam Cleland,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: voice of the Huskies. Coming up next, we'll discuss DeMond Williams.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Did he get his starting job back? We'll ask Cam
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Cleland next on Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.