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The Death of MLK · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show with your hosts Adam Todd
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Speaker 1: Brown and Connor mixed pattern.
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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm Adam Todd Brown,
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Speaker 2: Who are you.
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Speaker 1: I'm Madison Shepherd Hi and Pops.
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Speaker 2: Connor still has not turned up. He was thrown in
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Speaker 2: a black van.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was standing on a street corner.
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Speaker 3: Well, when you're that pretty, it just happens. Not to
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Speaker 3: blame the victim, but low key, but you know with
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Speaker 3: that face, its fault. I mean now that his ass
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Speaker 3: is all over the internet.
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Speaker 2: Is Dick's all over the internet?
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Speaker 1: Kind of?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the Naked Roast Battle, Yeah, with Keith Carey,
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Speaker 2: who has kind of an impressive deck.
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Speaker 1: A huge one.
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Speaker 3: I had always heard rumor and then I saw that
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Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, the outline is quite.
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Speaker 1: Large in the pixelation. I was looking, all right, Sube, I.
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Speaker 2: Looked, it's Naked Roast Battle. You have to look look. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: why the hell wouldn't you Exactly? Madison has been on
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Speaker 2: You've been on the main on Pops podcast before rap
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Speaker 2: and liszt cast.
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Speaker 1: Before Yeah and the Twelve Questions one.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you were just on that. That's one of
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Speaker 2: the newer podcasts on the network.
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Speaker 1: So Valenzuela and Alex Chwang.
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Speaker 2: I always I always forget about it. That's fine, it's
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Speaker 2: so new. I still have to get acquainted with it.
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Speaker 3: Look, you're doing a lot. You're doing great, by the way,
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Speaker 3: You're killing it. And this new podcast space is crazy great.
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Speaker 1: I love it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like this room. It took me a while
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Speaker 2: to put it together, and once I was done putting
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Speaker 2: it together, I wanted to just move all the tables
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Speaker 2: out and put a couch up here so I could
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Speaker 2: just hang out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a great space.
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Speaker 2: But you know, at least it keeps my work space
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Speaker 2: separate from my living space.
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Speaker 1: That is huge. It's huge.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So Conspiracy the show, what is your general feelings
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Speaker 2: on What is your general feelings? That doesn't sound like
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Speaker 2: good grammar.
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Speaker 1: That sounds like somebody else soever been awake since four am?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've been up for a while. What are
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Speaker 2: your general feelings on conspiracy theories?
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Speaker 3: In terms of conspiracies, you know, I definitely am not
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Speaker 3: somebody who needs to dig deep with them. I don't
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Speaker 3: need to go down the whole of that, but I
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Speaker 3: do think that, you know, when given some information I
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Speaker 3: can definitely be like, oh, here's what I'm told happen,
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Speaker 3: and then I understand that sometimes between what I'm told
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Speaker 3: happen and the truth, sometimes there is different information. That
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Speaker 3: being said. When I first saw loose Change back in
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Speaker 3: the early aughts.
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Speaker 2: Oh, my mind was fucker blood.
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Speaker 1: That's fourteen when nine to eleven happens. So did it?
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Speaker 2: Did it? It didn't work?
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Speaker 1: Shit? Do get due to get? My mind was fucking blind.
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Speaker 1: What the fuck?
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Speaker 2: Why is it not working? No?
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Speaker 1: So dumb, dirty, dirty?
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, I try to do sound effects
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Speaker 2: for that.
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Speaker 1: We will just do it.
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Speaker 2: I'll do the sound effect I wanted to do. So
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Speaker 2: say it one more time.
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Speaker 1: My mind was fucking blind.
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Speaker 2: That was the Howard Dane's scream. And I feel like
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Speaker 2: I did it a little too loud. Yeah, I don't
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Speaker 2: know why. Oh, I know why it's not working. No,
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Speaker 2: I don't. It's still not working. We're spending a little
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Speaker 2: too much time on this.
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Speaker 1: That's okay.
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Speaker 2: I mean, so you watched change.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think I definitely was affected by it
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Speaker 3: and it kind of like changed my opinion. I think
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Speaker 3: that was the first time where I was like, oh man,
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Speaker 3: but also actually I grew up in Dallas, Texas, and
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Speaker 3: so the JFK assassination is something that not weirdly but
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Speaker 3: definitely comes up a lot. Like I grew up in
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Speaker 3: the neighborhood where the Texas Theater is, where Lee Harvey
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Speaker 3: Oswell hid and so it you know, I used to
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Speaker 3: wait for the train at Union Station, which was right
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Speaker 3: across from the book depository.
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Speaker 1: So I almost it's a pository.
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Speaker 2: But that's not that would be so uncomfortable.
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Speaker 3: Sounds like you need a lot of loub Yeah, that's
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Speaker 3: a power bottom move to shove a whole book.
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Speaker 2: Up your ass, Oh for sure.
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Speaker 1: Like who are you trying to impress?
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Speaker 2: And like then it's not even power bottom. Then it's
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Speaker 2: just you. Like if you're shoving it up your own
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Speaker 2: that's just power.
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Speaker 3: I mean, honestly impressed though, Yeah it's weird, but impressed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I did a show in Dallas in twenty sixteen,
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Speaker 2: and I was there for a couple of days, and
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Speaker 2: one of my biggest regrets is that I never even
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Speaker 2: thought to go down to Daily Plaza and take Wow,
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Speaker 2: a bunch of insensitive pictures. Yeah with the grassy knoll.
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Speaker 1: No, I get it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because JFK is one of my favorite conspiracy theories.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that one.
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Speaker 3: I grew up next door to a woman who's dad
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Speaker 3: worked with Jack Ruby and the mob uh huh, and
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Speaker 3: she had many opinions that it wasn't Lee, Harvey Oswald
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Speaker 3: and all.
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Speaker 1: This other stuff.
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Speaker 3: So even as a little kid, I think I knew,
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Speaker 3: But I also am not somebody. I'm not about to
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Speaker 3: like fucking down that. Hell, I I just don't. I
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Speaker 3: don't give a shit that deep about Yeah, except for
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Speaker 3: myself and my.
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Speaker 2: Cat, I've just kids. Yes, I've always been fascinated with that.
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Speaker 2: I call it the Golden Era of assassinations because we
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Speaker 2: were just killing everyone for a little while there in
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Speaker 2: the sixties.
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Speaker 1: We'll bring it back, you know. They just don't do
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Speaker 1: it like they used to anymore.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like we missed with Reagan and just gave up.
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Speaker 1: I mean, do better.
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Speaker 2: Crazies, keep trying, damn it. We're talking today about one
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Speaker 2: of what I consider part of the Golden Era of
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Speaker 2: assassinations political assassinations in this country, which is doctor Martin
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Speaker 2: Luther King Junior.
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Speaker 3: Would you say this is like one of the top
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Speaker 3: three assassinations in this country of like it's like Lincoln JFK.
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Speaker 2: Yeah among the most. It's top three, maybe top five
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Speaker 2: at worst.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel like doctor King had some presidential
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Speaker 2: aspirations and had he run and won, this would be
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Speaker 2: a very different country.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And I feel the same way about Bobby Kennedy.
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Speaker 3: Definitely one of the Yeah, that's why we'll blow it
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Speaker 3: out to five, maybe ten even.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, i'd say JFK Abraham Lincoln because Abraham Lincoln,
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Speaker 2: like he got all his shit done before he was assassinated.
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Speaker 2: People were just mad that he succeeded. Yeah, so he
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Speaker 2: got so that's a little less tragic, Yeah, because at
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Speaker 2: least he freed the slaves first. Yeah, like the everyone else,
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Speaker 2: Doctor King JFK, RFK, Malcolm X, like they all had
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Speaker 2: shit to do still, and they got gunned down before
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Speaker 2: they got to do it. Yeah, too soon, I would argue. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: there's a every politician, there's a point where it's like,
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Speaker 2: now's the time they should be assassination. I mean, and
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Speaker 2: none of them were at that point.
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Speaker 1: Put out to pasture. Do you think they were being
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Speaker 1: put on a list for time?
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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm certain that I'm on a list of something.
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Speaker 3: You have a podcast, and yeah, yeah, I was on
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Speaker 3: a list briefly because of who I was dating.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, but who were you dating?
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Speaker 3: Somebody who used to his mom was like a native activist,
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Speaker 3: and so all of the calls were recorded, and anytime
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Speaker 3: we went like someplace, sometimes there were just cars around.
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Speaker 3: And I thought it was just because he had a
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Speaker 3: crystal meth problem, that he was making it up, but
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Speaker 3: it was actually kind of.
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Speaker 1: True, you know what I mean. I was like, oh
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Speaker 1: the fuck, this is real.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had the sense that, I mean, I have
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Speaker 2: to be on a list of some sort the things
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Speaker 2: I've written about and talked about that I've been read by.
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Speaker 2: It's not just that I've written about him and talked
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Speaker 2: about him, They've been seen by a lot of people.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm probably on a list somewhere fingers crossed.
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Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of tight though.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I want an FBI file about me. I mean yeah,
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Speaker 2: I want them to know everything.
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Speaker 3: That's a marker of a like an American entertainer. I
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Speaker 3: think like, yeah, do you have an FBI file?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: They all have to.
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Speaker 2: Write, Yeah, most of them do. There's a fascinating website
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Speaker 2: I tell people about all the time called FBI dot
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Speaker 2: vault dot gov, which is where the FBI uploads all
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Speaker 2: of their Freedom of Information Act request files.
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Speaker 1: I love this country sometimes, man.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great. Like the the files on Elvis are fascinating.
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Speaker 2: I'm an elvistruther after reading through the FBI file. Really, Elvis,
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Speaker 2: I don't believe he died when I don't believe the
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Speaker 2: official story of his death.
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Speaker 1: Do you have a podcast episode about that? Do I
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Speaker 1: need to go back and listen.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. My opinion on Elvis is that he joined the
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Speaker 2: witness Protection program because he was involved in an FBI
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Speaker 2: case against a smuggling ring called the Fraternity, which that
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Speaker 2: part is not that's not like speculation that's in the
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Speaker 2: FBI files. Yeah. Fuck, it's good times.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And the thing about MLK, this was one of the
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Speaker 2: first conspiracy theories that I read up on and was like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I think I think they're up to no good here.
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Speaker 2: But what's frustrating about it is I don't know. I
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Speaker 2: don't know what happened. Yeah, Like, I mean, no one
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Speaker 2: knows what happened with any of these. That's why they're
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Speaker 2: conspiracy theories and not in history books or that's a
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Speaker 2: bad fucking reference.
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Speaker 1: Still. Yeah, I'm with you, They're with you. We're listening.
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Speaker 2: But like with JFK, I have an idea of what happened, Yes,
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Speaker 2: and I've done I've done an episode about that. I
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Speaker 2: think Lee Harvey Oswald was shooting, and I think the
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Speaker 2: fatal shot that hit JFK was accidentally fired by the
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Speaker 2: Secret Service.
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Speaker 1: Hmmm.
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Speaker 2: Which it's such a perfect theory because then the fact
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Speaker 2: that Lee Harvey Oswald was acting alone is still true.
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Speaker 2: He just didn't land all his shots. There's a documentary
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Speaker 2: about it called JFK The Smoking Gun. That's fantastic.
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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, I'll have to check it out.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I definitely because of the woman who lived
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Speaker 3: next door to me, and I was kind of hearing
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Speaker 3: kind of some you know.
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Speaker 2: The mob stuff.
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Speaker 3: The mob stuff I was like, and you know the
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Speaker 3: you know, the Kennedy family and their bootleg and ties. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: like I'm on that side of things.
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Speaker 2: Vanessa Gritton thinks Earl Scakele killed JFK. I might have
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Speaker 2: that a little wrong.
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Speaker 1: I also don't know him.
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Speaker 2: I probably shouldn't, like, well, Michael Skeakle I believe was
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Speaker 2: his name. Is the Kennedy family.
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Speaker 1: Like you're talking about the comic.
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Speaker 2: I am, oh, okay, he's part of the Scalicle family,
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Speaker 2: which is part of the Kennedy family. Oh and remember
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Speaker 2: that there was the girl in the like eighties or
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Speaker 2: nineties who they just found beat to death on one
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Speaker 2: of the Kennedy properties and they eventually arrested Michael Skakele
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Speaker 2: for it.
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Speaker 1: Got it?
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Speaker 2: And Earl Skekele is part of that circle. And Vanessa
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Speaker 2: demanded that I not mention any of that on the podcast,
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Speaker 2: and I brought it up immediately.
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Speaker 1: Oh, why the funk wouldn't you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Vanessa dies or all scicol did it right?
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Speaker 3: Well, alright, we've had a good run with nine. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: she's been She'll be mad at.
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Speaker 1: Me for saying that. Can you edit that out? Don't
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Speaker 1: edit it up. She'll be like salty with me for
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Speaker 1: saying it like that.
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Speaker 2: She'll be fine. So let's listen to Walter Cronkite talking
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Speaker 2: about the death of Martin Luther King Jr. Mostly because
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Speaker 2: it's just the thing I've never heard.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I never watched this before.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I guess I should unmute it. That would be
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Speaker 2: the respectful thing with Walter group Lou and Russ Hodge
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Speaker 2: in Memphis, Tennessee, Dan Rather in New York, Bernard Calvin, So,
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Speaker 2: I gone, Marvinkel, see any of those people in the room.
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Speaker 4: And Burke went in caesaw and salty at maw.
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Speaker 1: What is he doing?
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Speaker 2: Good?
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Speaker 4: Even named doctor Martin Luther King, the apostle of non
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Speaker 4: violence in the civil rights movement, has been shot to
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Speaker 4: death in Memphis, Tennessee. Paused have issued in all okay,
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Speaker 4: but three minutes young white man's running from the scene.
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Speaker 4: Officers also reportedly chased and fired on a radio equipped
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Speaker 4: car containing two white men. Doctor King was standing on
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Speaker 4: the balcony of a second floor hotel room tonight when,
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Speaker 4: according to a companion.
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Speaker 2: I'm an deposit for a second. Yeah, because that thing
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Speaker 2: he just said about the police chasing a car with
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Speaker 2: two white men and a radio that was radio equipped,
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Speaker 2: that's one of those things. I've never heard that. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: in really, like even in the official story of the assassination,
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Speaker 2: because all anyone ever says is that a well dressed
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Speaker 2: white man was seen fleeing the scene and I think
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Speaker 2: got into a car and drove off. But I've never
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Speaker 2: heard that part.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't even know this was a thing. By
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Speaker 3: the way, I had no idea that this was a
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Speaker 3: conspiracy at all, Like I did all right that you
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Speaker 3: invited me on this podcast to talk about it was
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Speaker 3: the first I'd ever heard of it. But then once
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Speaker 3: I like, you know, so anyway I hadn't heard it either.
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Speaker 3: My initial reaction, especially to somebody who's kind of coming
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Speaker 3: to this whole idea fresh.
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Speaker 1: Out of nowhere. In my opinion, it's a lot of
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Speaker 1: information for it.
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Speaker 3: Number one, not being our modern times where everything is
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Speaker 3: cell phone and internet and blah blah blah, we can
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Speaker 3: get information very quick. It it feels like a lot
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Speaker 3: of information. And for what I'm like, why are you
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Speaker 3: saying this?
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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: I think that the same thing happened after nine to eleven,
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Speaker 3: where like you know, literally there was no station that
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Speaker 3: wasn't playing information about nine to eleven, and we found
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Speaker 3: out all.
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Speaker 1: This information so quickly.
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Speaker 3: But it was also in a way where it was
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Speaker 3: like why do we know all of this so fast?
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Speaker 3: And furious in this so it's it smells a little
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Speaker 3: to me. Yeah, you know what I mean, why did
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Speaker 3: it disappear and why is it here?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the same sort of thing happened with Oklahoma City.
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Speaker 2: We did an episode about that. There's all of these
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Speaker 2: news reports from the day it was happening, while everything
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Speaker 2: was unfolding, where they're like, all right, the ATF found
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Speaker 2: a second bomb and they're in dismantling that bomb now.
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Speaker 2: And if you go back and look at the official story,
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Speaker 2: now there's nothing mentioned about the second bomb or any
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Speaker 2: of that. But you can like just the same thing
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Speaker 2: with this. You can watch actual news reports and hear
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Speaker 2: these things mentioned, but then they just kind of disappear
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Speaker 2: from the story. And some of that could be, you know,
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Speaker 2: just eyewitness reactions that are wrong that eventually fall out
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Speaker 2: of the official story. But sometimes sometimes it's stuff like
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Speaker 2: this where it's weird, like there are there are weird
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Speaker 2: circumstances around this, so who knows.
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Speaker 4: Let's listen across the street and the friend's words, the
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Speaker 4: bullet exploded in his face. Please, who have been keeping
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Speaker 4: a close watch over the Nobel Peace Prize winner because
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Speaker 4: of Memphis turbulent racial situations. We're on the scene almost immediately.
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Speaker 4: They rushed the thirty nine year old Negro leader to
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Speaker 4: a hospital, where he died.
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Speaker 2: Jesus paid.
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Speaker 1: They found.
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Speaker 4: It was not immediately identified as the murder weapon. Mayor
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Speaker 4: Henry Loeb has reinstated the dusk to dawn curfew he
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Speaker 4: imposed on the city last week, and a march led
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Speaker 4: by doctor King erupted in violence. Violence. Governor Bufort Ellington
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Speaker 4: has called out four thousand National Guardsmen. Police report that
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Speaker 4: the murder has touched off.
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Speaker 2: Sporadic I bet governor.
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Speaker 4: In a nationwide television address, President Johnson expressed the nation's
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Speaker 4: shop America.
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Speaker 2: All right, fuck you, you probably killed JFK, You son
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Speaker 2: of a bitch. No, not you, Lyndon Johnson.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no no no.
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Speaker 2: I mean I don't know where you were the day
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Speaker 2: JFK died.
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Speaker 1: Not even a twinkle in my mama's eye.
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Speaker 3: But my granddad apparently had very strong pro Johnson opinions,
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Speaker 3: So that's all I really know about him. Also, there's
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Speaker 3: a major freeway in Dallas called LBJ. Yes, that's all
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Speaker 3: I know, so I don't have opinions on it.
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Speaker 2: So a lot of this what we're going to talk
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Speaker 2: about comes from a documentary that I'm gonna pull up
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Speaker 2: just so I can get the title.
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Speaker 3: Of it, which was so spooky, by the way, I
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Speaker 3: watched this by myself before man came to my house
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Speaker 3: to do a podcast and it was oh, yeah, it
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Speaker 3: was spooky. I was like, ah, this voiceover is a lot. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: its sound effects.
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Speaker 1: Are a lot. Oh scary.
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Speaker 2: It's one of these. Is it the History Channel or yeah?
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Speaker 2: He in e.
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Speaker 1: It feels like a late nineties History channel, you know,
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Speaker 1: the guy with too much resonance in his voice, like
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Speaker 1: just from the jump, I mean, this has his audio
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Speaker 1: over it.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, it's on a YouTube page called the Unredacted,
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Speaker 2: and it's called Conspiracy Who Killed Martin Luther King? And
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Speaker 2: it's it's kind of short. It's only forty five minutes,
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Speaker 2: So go out and watch that, but also listen to
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Speaker 2: this podcast and maybe you won't even have to go out.
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Speaker 2: Ye watch that? Yeah, who's got time to watch a
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Speaker 2: forty five minute doc? I mean we did it, but barely.
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Speaker 2: I mean, so these people don't have to.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 2: So let's talk about the official story behind the assassination
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Speaker 2: of MLK. He traveled to Memphis in support of striking
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Speaker 2: African American city sanitation workers. On March twenty eighth, nineteen
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Speaker 2: sixty eight, he participated in a massive march in Memphis
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Speaker 2: in support of those same workers and it ended in violence.
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Speaker 1: And it's like the week before he dies, right, yeah.
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Speaker 2: And as soon as that happens, he decides, I'm going
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Speaker 2: to go back. I'm going to do another march, and
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Speaker 2: this time it's going to go better and it won't
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Speaker 2: end in violence.
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Speaker 1: This is dumb.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was a bold decision. And later, yeah,
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Speaker 2: like give it time. So on April third, he returned
17:53
Speaker 2: to Memphis, hoping to stage a second, more successful march.
17:56
Speaker 2: His flight was delayed by a bomb threat, which at
17:59
Speaker 2: that I'd have been like, all right, fuck Memphis, it
18:02
Speaker 2: can fall into the ocean. These are too many bad signs.
18:06
Speaker 2: But he carried on and made it to Memphis on
18:10
Speaker 2: April third, and this is when he gave his famous
18:14
Speaker 2: I've bend to the mountaintop speech, which I didn't know
18:17
Speaker 2: that happened right before he died. Yeah, which is interesting on.
18:24
Speaker 1: I actually don't know this speech is I don't know.
18:26
Speaker 1: I'm I a bad black person. I mean, I'm half white,
18:28
Speaker 1: so obviously that already tells you.
18:30
Speaker 2: I had to go back and read it. Yeah, and
18:33
Speaker 2: then I was like, okay, there's that sentence that people
18:35
Speaker 2: quote on the internet.
18:36
Speaker 1: All was that when the only dark, only light can
18:39
Speaker 1: do that.
18:42
Speaker 2: It might be Okay, who knows, you know what.
18:45
Speaker 3: There's I used to did a very political, intellectual, older
18:50
Speaker 3: black man who.
18:51
Speaker 2: It's his fault you don't know this.
18:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's because I like was like, you're into this.
18:56
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't into it too. I can't read
19:00
Speaker 1: this book about those.
19:01
Speaker 2: Are the assassinations my grandfather was into.
19:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure, yeah, the newer ones. Yeah, let's talk
19:07
Speaker 1: about Selena.
19:10
Speaker 2: We should do an episode about Selena. I'm sure there's
19:12
Speaker 2: some kind of conspiracy absolutely well, the fact.
19:15
Speaker 1: That like something took place, that's one j Lo killed her.
19:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, like maybe something Selena's death forced NAFTA through.
19:25
Speaker 1: I wouldn't doubt it.
19:26
Speaker 2: I bet that's it. Uh So, around six pm he
19:30
Speaker 2: went out on the balcony to address some associates who
19:32
Speaker 2: are in the parking lot and this is fucking creepy.
19:35
Speaker 2: His last words were to musician Ben Branch, who was
19:39
Speaker 2: scheduled to perform at an event that night, and those
19:43
Speaker 2: last words were, Ben, make sure you play take my hand,
19:46
Speaker 2: precious Lord in the meeting tonight, play it real pretty.
19:50
Speaker 2: And with that, at six oh one pm, he got
19:52
Speaker 2: shot in the face.
19:54
Speaker 3: Now was it in the face or in the neck,
19:56
Speaker 3: because like in that documentary, I think they said NAC
19:58
Speaker 3: and then in that CBS thing they were like in
20:00
Speaker 3: the face.
20:01
Speaker 2: Well, it went in through his cheek and then went
20:04
Speaker 2: down like it apparently severed his spinal cord at one point,
20:09
Speaker 2: so it moved around, but I think it went in
20:12
Speaker 2: through his cheek and maybe like down through his throat.
20:16
Speaker 2: He was struck with a thirty out to six bullet
20:18
Speaker 2: fired from a Remington Model seven sixty rifle and the
20:24
Speaker 2: bullet broke his jaw several vertebrae, severed his jugular vein
20:29
Speaker 2: and major arteries in the process before lodging in his shoulder.
20:33
Speaker 2: That sounds like some magic bullet shit it.
20:35
Speaker 3: Was a buck Maybe there was like it was a
20:38
Speaker 3: you know, a bullet with a bunch of other shit
20:39
Speaker 3: in it.
20:40
Speaker 2: But from that distance, I don't know if like a
20:43
Speaker 2: shotgun shell. I don't know, because I think this is
20:46
Speaker 2: a rifle round. But I don't know that much about guns.
20:50
Speaker 2: Am I a bad white person?
20:52
Speaker 1: Yeah? Probably because you're on this podcast.
20:53
Speaker 2: Yeah I should. I should have more NRA knowledge things
20:59
Speaker 2: of the like. So shortly after the shot was fired,
21:03
Speaker 2: witnesses saw man later believed to be James Olray, fleeing
21:06
Speaker 2: from a rooming house across the street from the Lorraine Motel.
21:10
Speaker 2: Ray had been renting a room there. Police found a
21:13
Speaker 2: package dumped close to the site which included a rifle
21:16
Speaker 2: in binoculars, both with Ray's fingerprints. Well that's damning, Yeah.
21:22
Speaker 3: But then, I mean, you'll probably go on to say
21:25
Speaker 3: more about this, but like, you know, none of his
21:29
Speaker 3: like fingerprints were in the rest of the.
21:30
Speaker 2: Room, right the room where the shooting yeah happened.
21:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he was also kind of an idiot, so
21:35
Speaker 3: it's possible that he had gloves on for that, but
21:37
Speaker 3: not when he originally handled the gun in binoculars.
21:40
Speaker 1: Maybe.
21:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, this I can't get a feel for whether James
21:44
Speaker 2: Olray is a smart man or a dumb man, or
21:48
Speaker 2: just a man of average intelligence. Yeah, Like, ye, at
21:52
Speaker 2: certain points he Like I don't believe he fired the
21:56
Speaker 2: shot that killed Martin Luther King June, but I do
22:01
Speaker 2: think he was involved in some way, and I think
22:04
Speaker 2: he's been lying about a lot of it.
22:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's involved, for sure, but to what extent?
22:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean one time he robbed somebody and then
22:15
Speaker 3: dropped his wallet with his.
22:17
Speaker 1: D on the way out.
22:19
Speaker 2: So he's not the smartest crims, a real dumb Yeah,
22:22
Speaker 2: but we'll get into that we will. And Ray had
22:25
Speaker 2: purchased the rifle that was found at the scene under
22:28
Speaker 2: an ALIAS six days earlier, and a worldwide man hunt ensued.
22:33
Speaker 2: I've always thought this part was weird that they didn't
22:36
Speaker 2: like you would think they would have locked Memphis down
22:39
Speaker 2: as soon as that happened. Yeah, because that's what happened
22:42
Speaker 2: in Dallas. I don't know what the difference would be
22:44
Speaker 2: that would make them lockdown Dallas but not lockdown Memphis. Yeah,
22:48
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but yeah, somehow he managed to
22:51
Speaker 2: get out of town and damn near out. Actually he
22:54
Speaker 2: got out of the country because he was arrested at
22:56
Speaker 2: he throw airports all over London, but it took two
23:00
Speaker 2: two months to find him. He confessed almost immediately and
23:03
Speaker 2: was sentenced to ninety nine years in prison. Case closed.
23:06
Speaker 2: That's our episode, everybody.
23:07
Speaker 1: Thank you, yes, thanks, Yeah, this wasn't really We.
23:11
Speaker 2: Got this done a lot faster than I thought, so obviously, no,
23:14
Speaker 2: that's not what happened, because James Alray recanted almost immediately
23:19
Speaker 2: I think. Yeah, actually three days later is when he
23:23
Speaker 2: recants his confession. So think about how like by that
23:27
Speaker 2: point it was already too late. Yeah, Like that's a
23:31
Speaker 2: crazy like even when he confessed, someone should have been like, no,
23:35
Speaker 2: we're going to have a trial anyway and see how
23:39
Speaker 2: this goes. But this it was kind of like after
23:44
Speaker 2: three days, we were just like, all right, well he's guilty.
23:46
Speaker 2: He confessed, so case close.
23:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, which, honestly three days was the same amount of
23:52
Speaker 3: time that it took them to convince us that Osama
23:54
Speaker 3: bin Laana had done nine to eleven.
23:56
Speaker 2: Oh right, you know what I mean.
23:57
Speaker 3: So it takes that long for this country to brain
24:00
Speaker 3: watch the people.
24:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, I it must be a three day thing.
24:03
Speaker 1: It's within three days. I mean, you know.
24:05
Speaker 3: Also, i'd watched that documentary and I am maybe I'm
24:09
Speaker 3: misremembering the title, but called like the confession tapes on
24:12
Speaker 3: Netflix about confessions, and they course this fucking confession out
24:20
Speaker 3: of Oh guy. I mean, if you're of average intelligence
24:23
Speaker 3: and you have literally the best police minds in the
24:27
Speaker 3: country beaming down on saying that we have your fingerprints
24:31
Speaker 3: on the weapon and nothing, you know what I mean,
24:35
Speaker 3: even if they are not one hundred percent sure, they'll
24:37
Speaker 3: present that information to you in such a way that.
24:40
Speaker 1: You're like, well, fuck did I Yeah, you know what
24:42
Speaker 1: I mean. That's why it's better to be unapprehended by
24:45
Speaker 1: the police in general.
24:46
Speaker 2: It's best to not get caught.
24:47
Speaker 1: Don't get caught whatever you're doing.
24:48
Speaker 2: And watch your law and order people request a lawyer asap.
24:53
Speaker 2: It does no matter how many true crime shows you
24:56
Speaker 2: see where they're like, well, he asked for a lawyer,
24:59
Speaker 2: so we knew someth thing was suspicious. Fuck you, officer, No,
25:02
Speaker 2: get a lawyer. Every lawyer, every civil rights expert, everyone
25:07
Speaker 2: will tell you if you're taking taken into custody, just
25:10
Speaker 2: don't say shit till you get a lawyer exactly. And
25:13
Speaker 2: that's how you end up not being James or al Ray.
25:16
Speaker 1: Yeah. And just kind of a scuttle what an oath? Yeah,
25:19
Speaker 1: it's just kind of a dummy.
25:22
Speaker 2: Just entered into a conspiracy to kill Mlkay, he wasn't
25:25
Speaker 2: gonna shoot Well.
25:27
Speaker 3: I just don't know, Okay, we'll get into them.
25:30
Speaker 1: I just don't know.
25:31
Speaker 3: I think he's kind of you don't like in that
25:33
Speaker 3: movie Burn After reading just kind of like.
25:35
Speaker 1: The idiocy of the conspiracy. I just wonder, Okay, it's
25:38
Speaker 1: just kind.
25:38
Speaker 2: Of happening around him. He later said through his new attorney,
25:42
Speaker 2: Jack Kershaw, that although he did not quote personally shoot King,
25:47
Speaker 2: he may have been and this is another quote, partially
25:50
Speaker 2: responsible without knowing it. So just fucking say what happened, dude.
25:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.
25:58
Speaker 2: And it's not that he doesn't say what happens, it's
26:01
Speaker 2: just that there's some belief that maybe his version of
26:05
Speaker 2: the story is still leaving things out.
26:07
Speaker 3: Oh, he absolutely is. He's covering for somebody. And why
26:10
Speaker 3: we don't.
26:11
Speaker 2: Know, right. I think it's I mean, we'll get to it,
26:13
Speaker 2: but I think it's his brothers.
26:15
Speaker 3: Fuck my brothers, you know what I mean. No, fuck
26:18
Speaker 3: them like I'm about to be like no, strung up
26:22
Speaker 3: for this.
26:22
Speaker 1: Fuck No.
26:23
Speaker 2: But there's you know, there's some criminals who are just
26:25
Speaker 2: like no, I will not talk to the police. I
26:27
Speaker 2: will not tell them.
26:28
Speaker 3: Well you know what they say, you know, stitches, Snitches
26:31
Speaker 3: get stitches. Yeah, it's a very you know who wants
26:33
Speaker 3: stitches when you could be you know, when.
26:35
Speaker 2: You could just spend the rest of your life in prison.
26:37
Speaker 3: And also just mark like your name sullied by being
26:40
Speaker 3: the murderer of the Maybe one of the best civil
26:44
Speaker 3: rights leaders ever in history.
26:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be tough re establishing life outside prison
26:50
Speaker 2: after that.
26:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, for anybody in his family, I'm sure.
26:55
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so what James Lay claimed happened is he
27:01
Speaker 2: blamed everything on a man named Raoul, which that's just
27:04
Speaker 2: a great name. I'm excited that that name pops up
27:07
Speaker 2: in this conspiracy.
27:08
Speaker 3: It felt so fake, you know what I mean, Like
27:10
Speaker 3: I was like, this is not First of all, James,
27:12
Speaker 3: al right, you're an indiot.
27:13
Speaker 1: That's not that dude's real name.
27:15
Speaker 2: Oh of course not.
27:16
Speaker 3: That's not his real name. And you just go around
27:18
Speaker 3: saying it like that. Yeah, come on, you should say
27:20
Speaker 3: this was clearly a fake name. Yeah, and so look
27:23
Speaker 3: for criminals who are like this, who are using a
27:26
Speaker 3: fake name.
27:26
Speaker 2: He said he was a blonde haired Cuban man, which
27:30
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's a thing.
27:31
Speaker 1: It is absolutely a thing.
27:33
Speaker 3: Okay, good, Like if you're like a Latino person or
27:35
Speaker 3: actually a black person from the Caribbean, like you and
27:37
Speaker 3: me could be brother and sister, it'll look completely physically different.
27:41
Speaker 3: But yeah, the genetics because it was the first stop
27:45
Speaker 3: of the slave trade, it's all.
27:46
Speaker 2: Uh oh sure, Spaniard and.
27:48
Speaker 3: It's native and it's African blood's mixed up and those
27:51
Speaker 3: genetic inner minglings. For so long people look crazy, not crazy,
27:56
Speaker 3: just all kind of ways, you know what I mean.
27:58
Speaker 1: Please don't be mad at me.
27:59
Speaker 2: Shaven And he claimed he met Raoul after escaping prison
28:04
Speaker 2: in Missouri and making his way to Montreal, where he
28:08
Speaker 2: was looking for false identification papers, and that the Montreal
28:11
Speaker 2: parts important when we talk about his false IDs later.
28:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had definitely like smart man getting in Canada.
28:18
Speaker 3: Why didn't he just like chilling Canada forever?
28:20
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, like what was in the United States
28:25
Speaker 2: for him that was so important that he needed to
28:27
Speaker 2: go back. I would have just been like, well, I'm
28:29
Speaker 2: in Canada now, fucked off forever.
28:31
Speaker 3: I am going to steal a petty crime basically right
28:34
Speaker 3: that he got.
28:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, most of his crimes were just petty crimes, robbery
28:38
Speaker 2: and the like. Yeah, And also a thing that plays
28:42
Speaker 2: into his background in this conspiracy theory, not a lot
28:46
Speaker 2: of evidence of him being a racist, Like there's not
28:50
Speaker 2: a lot, Like there's no history of him expressing racist
28:54
Speaker 2: sentiments in his everyday life. Like I'm not saying he necessary,
29:00
Speaker 2: Like I feel like back then everyone kind of was.
29:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like now.
29:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just like now, but like back then it
29:08
Speaker 2: was so like it was even more ingrained, yes than
29:13
Speaker 2: it is now. Yeah, like it was more normalized.
29:17
Speaker 1: But he was kind of a.
29:18
Speaker 3: Jail bird, so like it's very possible that he was
29:22
Speaker 3: used to hanging around black dudes in jail and an
29:25
Speaker 3: out of the jails all over, and so it's possible
29:28
Speaker 3: that he wasn't that racist, Like he was racist for
29:30
Speaker 3: the time. I mean, he wasn't racist for the time,
29:32
Speaker 3: but he was racist by our standards.
29:34
Speaker 1: That makes sense. Yeah, I don't think he was racist
29:36
Speaker 1: enough to kill a civil civic leader, you know.
29:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't seem like it. So he was looking
29:45
Speaker 2: for false identification papers when he was in Canada, he says,
29:49
Speaker 2: Raoul said he would get him papers if he helped
29:51
Speaker 2: him get some materials into the United States, which in
29:56
Speaker 2: this documentary they cut from him saying that to all
30:01
Speaker 2: of a sudden, they're in Memphis and he's buying a gun.
30:04
Speaker 2: So I don't know what happened between Canada and Memphis,
30:08
Speaker 2: Like did they just travel there separately and then meet
30:11
Speaker 2: up again, Like it's not really, come.
30:13
Speaker 1: On, it was it was a buddy, It was a
30:15
Speaker 1: buddy road movie.
30:16
Speaker 3: Come on and they just like gotten a little chevy
30:19
Speaker 3: and yeah, headed down south.
30:21
Speaker 1: Wood and juke joints all the way.
30:26
Speaker 2: Yeah like Easy Rider. Yeah, probably a movie. I've never
30:30
Speaker 2: seen me either, but you.
30:32
Speaker 3: Know I've seen that one with uh the Iron Man
30:36
Speaker 3: and the dude from the Hangover. You know, I really
30:39
Speaker 3: want to work in the entertainment industry.
30:41
Speaker 1: I really know a lot.
30:41
Speaker 2: About Robert Downey Junior and Bradley Cooper.
30:44
Speaker 1: No, the Fat One.
30:48
Speaker 2: Zach Galla. Oh that movie.
30:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a buddy movie.
30:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I know what movie you're talking about.
30:53
Speaker 3: Also, two long Food. Thanks for everything, Julie Nymore. Okay,
30:55
Speaker 3: I just know about certain culture.
30:56
Speaker 2: It's an underrated movie.
30:57
Speaker 1: It's great.
30:58
Speaker 2: Uh. So Raoul tells him to buy a rifle, which
31:02
Speaker 2: James Olray does, and he gives the gun to Raoul
31:05
Speaker 2: the day before the assassination. That's that's his claim as
31:09
Speaker 2: to what happened. And the problem with this is no
31:12
Speaker 2: one ever saw or met Raoul outside only James rol
31:16
Speaker 2: Ray has ever confirmed the existence of this Raoul, which
31:20
Speaker 2: makes it a hard a hard defense to prove.
31:23
Speaker 3: But they said there was two he got in the car.
31:25
Speaker 3: What's driven by somebody when he left the hotel.
31:29
Speaker 1: I don't know that.
31:30
Speaker 2: Was Yeah, in the Walter Cronkite thing, I had never
31:32
Speaker 2: heard that you.
31:33
Speaker 3: Need to white man Raoul, whatever his situation was, he's
31:38
Speaker 3: passing for white no matter what.
31:40
Speaker 1: We can assume.
31:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it could. They do point out in the
31:45
Speaker 2: documentary that the wager James Rolray left the hotel or
31:51
Speaker 2: the boarding house the car, he would have seen a
31:56
Speaker 2: police car walking out from his van, which is maybe
32:01
Speaker 2: what prompted him to just drop the bag there instead
32:05
Speaker 2: of walking with the bag to get into this car
32:08
Speaker 2: and leave, Because if you're seeing getting into the car
32:10
Speaker 2: with a big ass bag of guns, that's gonna look
32:14
Speaker 2: especially damning. Yeah, But also to leave it there, I
32:19
Speaker 2: would go. I would legitimately go back inside, I think,
32:23
Speaker 2: and try to find another way to leave or somewhere
32:27
Speaker 2: to hide those guns. I don't know, or I would
32:30
Speaker 2: just not conspire to kill Martin Luther.
32:32
Speaker 1: That would probably be the first.
32:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be the easiest fix for James or
32:38
Speaker 2: Ray or anyone.
32:39
Speaker 1: This is the This Raoul situation is super weird.
32:44
Speaker 2: And yeah, I just don't know. Yeah, that's where I
32:48
Speaker 2: feel like he's trying to convince people there were more
32:51
Speaker 2: people involved, but also not say exactly who is involved.
32:56
Speaker 2: One of the theories is that the FBI killed MLK
33:00
Speaker 2: and they did clean fucking hate Martin Luther King Jr.
33:03
Speaker 2: I don't know if we've ever done a co intel
33:05
Speaker 2: pro episode, but co intel pro was it was short
33:09
Speaker 2: for counterintelligence program, and that was just the FBI's program
33:13
Speaker 2: of following anyone they thought might be even sort of
33:17
Speaker 2: a threat to democracy or whatever. Yeah, just basically dissent
33:22
Speaker 2: in general.
33:23
Speaker 3: I mean, they did it to the Black Panther Party,
33:27
Speaker 3: which is like why the Black Panther Party didn't succeed
33:29
Speaker 3: is because.
33:30
Speaker 2: That's absolutely why.
33:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's in the court documents and the
33:33
Speaker 3: FBI paperwork about it.
33:35
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, there is a really great I mean,
33:41
Speaker 2: there's a lot of really good information about the Black Panthers,
33:44
Speaker 2: but the I think one of the best short versions
33:48
Speaker 2: of that story is there's a PBS documentary that came
33:52
Speaker 2: out like two years ago. It's fascinating.
33:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, that one really upset me because again, I didn't
33:58
Speaker 3: know anything about that, and I'd always heard that the FBI,
34:01
Speaker 3: so I'm not shocked that they had a hand in
34:05
Speaker 3: Mlk's right.
34:07
Speaker 2: They sent him a letter at one point, the famous
34:10
Speaker 2: suicide letter where the FBI posing as like I think
34:16
Speaker 2: they just straight up playing, hey, we're government agents. I
34:19
Speaker 2: don't know if they said that specifically in the letter,
34:21
Speaker 2: but I'm sure it came through and they were like,
34:24
Speaker 2: we're going to expose your past and all of this
34:27
Speaker 2: is going to come out. And they ended the letter
34:29
Speaker 2: by saying, you know what you need to do, and
34:33
Speaker 2: everyone who has seen that letter took it as them implying, hey,
34:37
Speaker 2: you should probably kill yourself. And it's like that is
34:41
Speaker 2: if the government is willing to go to those like
34:45
Speaker 2: the things we know the government has done make almost
34:48
Speaker 2: every conspiracy theory a little more believable, because like MK Ultra,
34:53
Speaker 2: which is a thing we proved happened, was a big
34:56
Speaker 2: fucking mind control experiment that lasted thirty years. It's like
34:59
Speaker 2: that that was real, Like that actually happened. If that
35:03
Speaker 2: could happen, something like this could happen.
35:06
Speaker 1: I definitely think the government was involved. And poor.
35:11
Speaker 3: James is is like a patsy. I think that's what
35:14
Speaker 3: they call it.
35:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was that was kind of his claim also,
35:19
Speaker 2: and WHI there's.
35:20
Speaker 3: Also why he can't give that much information because the
35:22
Speaker 3: government has protected themselves so immensely.
35:25
Speaker 1: Right, Well, probably existed, but.
35:28
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I'm sure if there was ever any evidence
35:31
Speaker 2: of this, it's been shredded by now.
35:33
Speaker 1: It's gone.
35:35
Speaker 2: So yeah, the FBI they followed MLK, constantly tapped his phone,
35:38
Speaker 2: send him the suicide letter. There's a book about this
35:41
Speaker 2: by Philip H. Mellinson called the Mrkan Conspiracy, which isn't
35:45
Speaker 2: it a bad title, Philip, Yeah, which is apparently named
35:51
Speaker 2: after the FBI's investigation into Mlk's assassination, which concluded that
35:57
Speaker 2: James Olray acted alone. Why the fuck is it called
36:00
Speaker 2: a merket investigator? That must have been like the senator
36:02
Speaker 2: or they started it.
36:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like an I think it was an
36:07
Speaker 1: FBI agent and it was like his like head of
36:09
Speaker 1: the case or something. That's what I remember.
36:11
Speaker 2: Ah, the Pube Wig conspiracy, yes, uh, and.
36:15
Speaker 1: The Pussy Lace Front conspiracy.
36:18
Speaker 2: And in that book he claims the investigation by the
36:21
Speaker 2: FBI was flawed, that it didn't connect any dots with
36:24
Speaker 2: James Orrolray and only looked at the FBI and not
36:28
Speaker 2: the CIA or Army Intelligence. Yeah, both of which were
36:32
Speaker 2: also following and surveilling MLKA at the time, like the
36:37
Speaker 2: this is the most fantastical version of the conspiracy. Yes,
36:42
Speaker 2: because the.
36:42
Speaker 3: Grand Conspiracy is what they call it, I think, right, yeah, yeah.
36:46
Speaker 2: And they One of the things it points to is
36:49
Speaker 2: that there were lots of witnesses who pointed to the
36:52
Speaker 2: second floor of that boarding house, but there were just
36:54
Speaker 2: as many who pointed to an area under the window
36:58
Speaker 2: that James Lray is supposed to have shot from. Sure,
37:01
Speaker 2: and they said there was someone crouched in the bushes
37:04
Speaker 2: and the angle James or Ray would have had to
37:07
Speaker 2: shoot Martin Luther King from, Like good shots do happen,
37:13
Speaker 2: but that would have been a really really great shot.
37:16
Speaker 1: Did he have like army training? Do we know?
37:19
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think there's anything about
37:21
Speaker 2: him being in the mill because.
37:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would have come up right that like, hey,
37:24
Speaker 1: he was a sharpshooter.
37:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, like at least he had that with Lee Harvey Oswalt,
37:28
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, And yeah with James L. Ray, there's not
37:31
Speaker 2: any of that. And if you look at the window
37:33
Speaker 2: he did he shot out of a very small window.
37:36
Speaker 1: And had to stand in a tub and.
37:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was two hundred yards away, which is
37:40
Speaker 2: the length of two football fields. That's it takes a
37:45
Speaker 2: lot to like, you have to be a really great
37:47
Speaker 2: shot to pull that off.
37:48
Speaker 1: Yeah.
37:49
Speaker 2: And what's interesting about this theory is that basically his
37:56
Speaker 2: theory is that the fucking Army was there, the CIA
38:00
Speaker 2: was there, and they were all in agreement that Martin
38:03
Speaker 2: Luther King needed to be killed. Yeah, and the mafia
38:07
Speaker 2: was part of this, and that the person who was
38:10
Speaker 2: going to do the shooting was the person the mafia hired,
38:13
Speaker 2: but if he missed, the army was there to fire
38:17
Speaker 2: other shots. So it the way this guy describes this
38:22
Speaker 2: conspiracy is several different government agencies all knew what their
38:27
Speaker 2: particular job was and they were just there to do
38:30
Speaker 2: that and that was all supposed to add up to
38:33
Speaker 2: Martin Luther King dying, and it did, and that is
38:39
Speaker 2: it's fucking crazy.
38:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, And.
38:44
Speaker 2: So let's some of the things. One of the things
38:47
Speaker 2: this guy. One thing this guy brings up also is
38:50
Speaker 2: that prior to James Earl Ray's trip to Canada, he
38:54
Speaker 2: would steal identities from like friends and associates and people
38:57
Speaker 2: he knew and he was just kind of used their
38:58
Speaker 2: name when he was you know, running gallivanting around the
39:02
Speaker 2: country committing crimes and shit. But after his trip to Canada,
39:07
Speaker 2: he all of a sudden had access to a bunch
39:09
Speaker 2: of really hard to trace IDs of people who all
39:14
Speaker 2: looked kind of like him.
39:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, and one.
39:18
Speaker 2: Of those identities he stole was from a man named
39:23
Speaker 2: Eric S. Galt, And that's the name James Olray was
39:26
Speaker 2: using for nine months before the assassination, and their signatures
39:31
Speaker 2: were so similar. The line of thinking is that he
39:35
Speaker 2: had access to a document or something with this guy's
39:38
Speaker 2: signature that he could copy his signature. And we come
39:41
Speaker 2: to find out that Eric Galt was a security cleared
39:44
Speaker 2: employee of the US government working at a Union carbide plant,
39:49
Speaker 2: which that could very well be US intelligence. Going, all right,
39:53
Speaker 2: this guy looks like James Lray. Let's just get his
39:55
Speaker 2: file out for a few days and then we'll put
39:57
Speaker 2: it back. Yeah, and who the fuck would know?
39:59
Speaker 1: Yep, yes, sir.
40:02
Speaker 2: So the Smellinson guy thinks, not only was Ray not
40:05
Speaker 2: the only shooter, but probably not one of the shooters
40:09
Speaker 2: at all, And he brings up a really great question
40:12
Speaker 2: who would know more? Who would be more likely to
40:15
Speaker 2: know that Martin Luther King was going to emerge from
40:17
Speaker 2: that hotel room at six pm. The intelligence agencies that
40:23
Speaker 2: have we've documented were following him at the time, or
40:26
Speaker 2: a fucking rogue criminal who just happened to blow into
40:29
Speaker 2: town on a stolen identity. Sure like the government's going
40:33
Speaker 2: to be the one to know. Hey, assemble at six o'clock.
40:36
Speaker 2: That's when his agenda says he's leaving.
40:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, well they could hear it because they're tapping everything, right,
40:41
Speaker 3: all of his rooms are tapped before he even gets
40:43
Speaker 3: in them, his phone conversations. It's I mean, I find
40:50
Speaker 3: it hard to believe that the government wasn't involved and
40:52
Speaker 3: that somehow hired James Earl Ray to do it, yeah,
40:58
Speaker 3: or at least be the fall man for right.
41:00
Speaker 2: Right. And then there's the mob, which is also part
41:06
Speaker 2: of the previous conspiracy, is that the mob was in
41:09
Speaker 2: on it also, And there's a lawyer named William Pepper
41:13
Speaker 2: who thinks the chances of James Earl Ray pulling this
41:16
Speaker 2: off alone are very slim. As you mentioned earlier, he
41:20
Speaker 2: was a criminal, but he was an inapt criminal.
41:22
Speaker 3: Right, And also, like, I mean, there's a thing you know,
41:24
Speaker 3: you know, this is based on all my years of
41:27
Speaker 3: listening to true crime podcast and documentaries.
41:32
Speaker 1: I'd say there's a big difference between.
41:34
Speaker 3: Somebody who commits non violent and violent crimes and even
41:38
Speaker 3: like let's say James, I mean, based on this is
41:42
Speaker 3: I'm not googling it because like, hy be right about
41:44
Speaker 3: something when I could just kind of, you know, guess
41:46
Speaker 3: for you know what I mean, Well, I have facts,
41:48
Speaker 3: when I could just guess.
41:49
Speaker 2: What are people going to comment on if we don't
41:50
Speaker 2: get some shit right?
41:53
Speaker 3: But I'd venture to say that James Earl Ray did
41:57
Speaker 3: like robberies and stuff, and maybe there I don't know
42:00
Speaker 3: if they were armed robberies even and there's a big
42:03
Speaker 3: difference between doing an armed robbery and flashing a gun
42:05
Speaker 3: and armed robbery and actually like shooting at somebody. And
42:09
Speaker 3: I don't think he had like attempted murders or anything
42:12
Speaker 3: like that. And I don't know that he based on
42:14
Speaker 3: his age, I don't know that he was in the military.
42:18
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like he was, because it would absolutely
42:21
Speaker 3: come up that if he was in the military, we
42:23
Speaker 3: would know that. Yeah, So I just kind of think
42:26
Speaker 3: that it's not even it doesn't fit his criminal profile too,
42:31
Speaker 3: Like if we're just looking at who he is if
42:33
Speaker 3: we were to take I read that book Mindhunter, you
42:36
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So I just don't really know.
42:40
Speaker 3: Now I'm an expert on you know, murder profiles. I
42:44
Speaker 3: just don't think that he fits the profile for it.
42:47
Speaker 2: In all honesty, it's such a big leap from petty
42:50
Speaker 2: criminal to killing a political leader.
42:53
Speaker 3: Even him fucking off to Canada to get IDs. I'm like,
42:56
Speaker 3: you could fucking do that here, like you know what
42:58
Speaker 3: I mean, Like you didn't.
42:58
Speaker 2: Have to stay in Canada.
43:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't have to go all the way to Montreal,
43:02
Speaker 3: you know. So I agree with this lawyer named Pepper,
43:06
Speaker 3: which is such a cute name.
43:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, William Pepper. I went to school with a girl
43:11
Speaker 2: whose first name was Pepper.
43:12
Speaker 1: Cute? Does she have for freckles?
43:14
Speaker 2: I don't remember, but she was very cute.
43:16
Speaker 1: She made fun of for being called Pepper though.
43:18
Speaker 2: No, she's very popular.
43:19
Speaker 1: Oh good for her.
43:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she transcended her name.
43:22
Speaker 3: My favorite Pepper is the one in uh, you know
43:24
Speaker 3: John Waters cry Baby. You know his sister played by.
43:28
Speaker 2: I don't Ricky Late. You've seen that movie.
43:30
Speaker 3: You know, our bazooms are our weapons. Maybe Pepper might
43:33
Speaker 3: be pregnant, but she fights like a man, you know.
43:36
Speaker 2: Anyways, her shouldn't be fighting she's pregnant.
43:39
Speaker 3: Well, she fights like a man, but.
43:43
Speaker 2: I mean not if she's like men don't get pregnant,
43:45
Speaker 2: so she's not fighting like a man if you're pregnant.
43:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. There was a lot of holes in that.
43:51
Speaker 2: I'm glad we has I'm glad we fucked.
43:52
Speaker 1: Not to the bottom of it, dude.
43:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, people didn't hear, but we talked about that for
43:57
Speaker 2: forty five minutes. Oh my god, it is most of it.
44:00
Speaker 1: It did feel like it. Yeah.
44:02
Speaker 2: So this William Pepper, he briefly worked on mlk's anti
44:06
Speaker 2: Vietnam campaign, later met James Earl Ray and was so
44:10
Speaker 2: convinced of his innocence that he decided to become his lawyer.
44:14
Speaker 2: And he claims that he uncovered the conspiracy. And this
44:20
Speaker 2: one is also interesting, and it still kind of ties
44:22
Speaker 2: into the previous one. But there was a woman named
44:25
Speaker 2: Betty Spates who was working at a restaurant very near
44:29
Speaker 2: where Martin Luther King Junior was shot, and she was
44:31
Speaker 2: carrying on an extramarital affair with her boss, a man
44:36
Speaker 2: named Lloyd Jowers, who was a white man.
44:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a a black lady.
44:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which brave.
44:44
Speaker 3: Honestly, they're kind of like badass rebels, like, yeah, you
44:47
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
44:48
Speaker 2: Except for the part where one of them may be
44:50
Speaker 2: shot MLK. Yeah, or at least covered it. Unless it
44:53
Speaker 2: had been her who did it, that would have been
44:55
Speaker 2: I would have been like, what dun dun, Joe, what
44:57
Speaker 2: was she thinking? And what did MLK do to her?
45:00
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, But instead it was her fucking racist
45:03
Speaker 2: white boyfriend. Supposedly, yeah, allegedly so. Shortly after King a shot,
45:08
Speaker 2: she hears a commotion in the back of the restaurant,
45:10
Speaker 2: goes to investigate, and sees Lloyd Showers running toward her
45:13
Speaker 2: with a still smoking shotgun. She told this to no
45:19
Speaker 2: one until she talked to William Peppers in nineteen ninety two.
45:22
Speaker 2: Imagine keeping that secret for that long.
45:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, A cull bullshit.
45:31
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I just the still smoking gun, if you like.
45:34
Speaker 3: He was such a huge figure in the hearts and
45:37
Speaker 3: minds of black people like I have a hard time
45:40
Speaker 3: believing that if you knew who actually killed MLK or
45:43
Speaker 3: had a thought, even if it was just some white guy,
45:46
Speaker 3: you were, you know, cheating on your whatever you wouldn't
45:51
Speaker 3: keep it a secret that not for that long, certainly
45:53
Speaker 3: not especially as time went on and the guilds and
45:56
Speaker 3: like literally when he died, people were wrenching their clothes
45:59
Speaker 3: in the street. It's sobbing and consolable, like it. Fuck,
46:02
Speaker 3: it fucks in the heart. It still fucks the hearts
46:05
Speaker 3: and minds. It still fucks.
46:07
Speaker 1: It's still fucks in the hearts and minds of like
46:09
Speaker 1: black people in America. I have a hard time believing that. Yeah,
46:12
Speaker 1: but anyways.
46:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a good point that she wouldn't mention
46:15
Speaker 2: it to anyone.
46:16
Speaker 3: No one, anyone, not her pastor twenty four years, not
46:19
Speaker 3: her therapist.
46:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not her sister.
46:21
Speaker 1: I know she didn't want.
46:23
Speaker 2: Which is sad. She shouldn't. Like she needed a therapy.
46:25
Speaker 2: There needed to be more mental health coverage in general
46:29
Speaker 2: in the South in the sixties.
46:30
Speaker 3: I want to point to, like low self esteem. Fucking
46:32
Speaker 3: somebody else's partner is like a sign of low self
46:36
Speaker 3: esteem from the person who is wilfully getting.
46:38
Speaker 1: Engaged in that kind of behavior. Yes, just saying, and
46:41
Speaker 1: that's from somebody who's done it. Oh we're all trash,
46:47
Speaker 1: we're all growing.
46:50
Speaker 2: So for twenty four years, Lloyd Showers claimed he was
46:52
Speaker 2: in the restaurant at the time of the shooting, but
46:55
Speaker 2: after the Spates revelation he admitted that was a lie.
46:59
Speaker 3: And I feel like Maripovitch is coming out, well, that
47:02
Speaker 3: was determined, that was a lie.
47:06
Speaker 2: And what he claims is that Frank Liberto, a mob
47:09
Speaker 2: connected vegetable warehouse owner as one does, was given the
47:15
Speaker 2: contract to kill King, and Jowers claims that Liberto approached
47:20
Speaker 2: him about helping to carry out the hit. Liberto gives
47:23
Speaker 2: him a rifle and a large sum of money. Jowers
47:25
Speaker 2: gives the rifle to the shooter, who he does not name.
47:28
Speaker 2: That's suspicious because you're already admitting you're involved in the conspiracy.
47:33
Speaker 2: Why would you leave out the name of the shooter either,
47:37
Speaker 2: I could get. On the one hand, you're trying to
47:39
Speaker 2: admit to it without fully admitting it, like without admitting
47:42
Speaker 2: you were the shooter. But also if you're giving it
47:45
Speaker 2: like you throughout the name of the mob connected vegetable
47:49
Speaker 2: warehouse owner, you might as well name the shooter, right,
47:52
Speaker 2: So that does make this story a little bit sketch,
47:56
Speaker 2: I think also, and this is at one point William
48:02
Speaker 2: Peppers Press's reporters for access to the sources of a
48:06
Speaker 2: claim that there was also army special forces in the area,
48:10
Speaker 2: and they give him proof, which is a military memo
48:13
Speaker 2: that calls for an accurate accounting of kings whereabouts and
48:16
Speaker 2: the assistance of local intelligence when the force is deployed.
48:21
Speaker 2: Which they show this memo in the documentary, but also
48:24
Speaker 2: at one point suggest it might be fake.
48:27
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true, and I don't.
48:29
Speaker 2: Know enough about military memos to say for sure. Yeah,
48:33
Speaker 2: but I do know if a real one got out,
48:36
Speaker 2: the military would send someone in front of a camera
48:39
Speaker 2: to say, no, that's fake.
48:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, did they do that.
48:43
Speaker 2: There's a I wish I could think of the name
48:45
Speaker 2: of it. There is a documentary. It might still be
48:49
Speaker 2: on Netflix, but it's about a guy whose sole job
48:53
Speaker 2: he worked for the government, and his job was if
48:58
Speaker 2: someone was fish around a military base and took pictures
49:02
Speaker 2: of something they weren't supposed to take pictures of, if
49:06
Speaker 2: they posted that publicly, he would go find these people
49:09
Speaker 2: and go, Okay, well, I have some other some more
49:11
Speaker 2: top secret information that I'm willing to share with you
49:14
Speaker 2: as long as you will take it public. I can't
49:17
Speaker 2: take it public, but you can do it and you're
49:19
Speaker 2: already on to this thing, and it would be blatantly
49:22
Speaker 2: false information. So when they finally posted it, the government
49:26
Speaker 2: could go all right, see they're on some bullshit posting
49:30
Speaker 2: all these fake stories. And that was his job decades
49:34
Speaker 2: wow with the government. Like that documentary closes with him
49:39
Speaker 2: just walking around a UFO convention in Las Vegas. It's
49:43
Speaker 2: like those people alone, let them post their videos, you mount.
49:47
Speaker 3: But they were also right as it turned out. I mean,
49:50
Speaker 3: you know, oh yeah, yeah, that was real. I think
49:52
Speaker 3: we talked about that.
49:52
Speaker 2: On the Yeah, how we all found out and we
49:54
Speaker 2: were just like, not now, come on, come back any year.
49:58
Speaker 2: So he also kind of plays into the theory that
50:02
Speaker 2: there were a lot of military and government forces on
50:06
Speaker 2: hand that all sort of conspired to kill doctor King.
50:12
Speaker 2: But he also is the one who facilitates this meeting
50:17
Speaker 2: between James Rolray and Dexter who is Martin Luther King
50:20
Speaker 2: Junior's son was his son or grandson son, and Dexter
50:26
Speaker 2: King goes on television after he meets with James Olray
50:29
Speaker 2: and says, I don't think James Olray killed my dad,
50:34
Speaker 2: And that's been the family's claim ever since. Like the
50:39
Speaker 2: King family does not as far as I know, at
50:43
Speaker 2: least most of them do not believe James Rolray is
50:46
Speaker 2: the one who committed this murder. And what's really interesting,
50:52
Speaker 2: will close on it. Yeah, there is also talk of
50:58
Speaker 2: a racist cabal as they call it in the documentary,
51:01
Speaker 2: but it sounds like that's just James Earl Ray and
51:05
Speaker 2: his two brothers. Yeah, and that they claim there was
51:08
Speaker 2: a white nationalist group out of Saint Louis that put
51:11
Speaker 2: a bounty on doctor King's head.
51:13
Speaker 1: Probably true.
51:14
Speaker 2: That probably true, And some people do think that is
51:18
Speaker 2: the actual story, and that James Rolray and his two
51:21
Speaker 2: brothers are the ones who committed this murder. But James
51:26
Speaker 2: Arrol Ray is the one who got caught and he's
51:29
Speaker 2: never going to tell on his brothers. But also maybe
51:32
Speaker 2: didn't fire the shot, So he's trying to like weasele
51:36
Speaker 2: his way out of prison by proving he wasn't the
51:39
Speaker 2: one who fired the shot, but also leaving enough suspicion
51:42
Speaker 2: in the air as to who did it so he
51:44
Speaker 2: doesn't have to implicate his brothers. But none of that
51:46
Speaker 2: work because he's dead now. Yeah, he died in prison.
51:50
Speaker 2: But I'll end on this. This is the most fascinating
51:54
Speaker 2: part of the MLK, which conspiracy. Yeah, it never comes
51:58
Speaker 2: up and if you look it up on Snopes, Snopes
52:01
Speaker 2: will immediately tell you it's not true. And they're being
52:04
Speaker 2: really fast and loose with the definition of false when
52:07
Speaker 2: they say that. What happened is the King family eventually
52:13
Speaker 2: sued Lloyd Jowers and unnamed conspirators.
52:19
Speaker 3: So thank some black faces, like you know, outlines of
52:22
Speaker 3: people with question marks on their faces.
52:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean the Grassy Knoll people all over again.
52:27
Speaker 1: Yeah.
52:27
Speaker 2: And they took Lloyd Showers in this case to civil court,
52:33
Speaker 2: and they did it after James already died in prison,
52:36
Speaker 2: and all of this evidence was presented from their side
52:40
Speaker 2: about government involvement and the Lloyd Showers involvement, and they
52:45
Speaker 2: actually won. They won the civil case against Lloyd Showers
52:50
Speaker 2: and unnamed conspirators. And what happens is people will sometimes
52:56
Speaker 2: say that as they sued the government for killing Martin
53:00
Speaker 2: Luther King and one when that's not technically true, right,
53:05
Speaker 2: because the government wasn't named and the government didn't present
53:08
Speaker 2: any defense, but a lot of the testimony did imply
53:12
Speaker 2: or did specifically say that various government agencies were involved,
53:17
Speaker 2: and so it's it's not false, like they did take
53:22
Speaker 2: this to a civil court and won, but it's also
53:26
Speaker 2: they won on the Lloyd Jowers story, which seems like
53:30
Speaker 2: one of the more questionable versions of events. But if
53:33
Speaker 2: nothing else, that should at least give you some idea
53:37
Speaker 2: that there's something more afoot here, yeah than Jim Yeah,
53:42
Speaker 2: I don't think That's what's so frustrating about this one
53:44
Speaker 2: is we will never know, at least.
53:47
Speaker 3: Not in our lifetime, but definitely, like I one hundred
53:51
Speaker 3: think that the government there was some government agency involvement.
53:55
Speaker 3: I don't know who, and I don't know to what extent,
53:58
Speaker 3: but you know, just like when I found out about
53:59
Speaker 3: that Black Panther Party was kind of a rap, I
54:01
Speaker 3: was like, oh, the government, And also the government is
54:03
Speaker 3: known for like stirring shit, and like, oh yeah, you
54:07
Speaker 3: know kind of if there is some sort of organization
54:10
Speaker 3: of people who are trying to like better society for
54:13
Speaker 3: the citizens, they're known to send in things to put
54:16
Speaker 3: a wrench in the whole yeah operation. So I mean,
54:20
Speaker 3: you know, they need to protect themselves, and that's what
54:23
Speaker 3: they do. They're self protecting the government.
54:25
Speaker 2: There is a it's probably still on Amazon, but It's
54:29
Speaker 2: an interview with Tupac when he was in prison, right
54:32
Speaker 2: before he should Knight bailed him out. And if you
54:36
Speaker 2: watch that interview and talk about it and listen to
54:39
Speaker 2: him talk about the things he wanted to do when
54:41
Speaker 2: he got out of prison. Watching that, I was like, Oh,
54:44
Speaker 2: the government killed him because he is saying things that
54:48
Speaker 2: the government hears and goes, oh no, Like he was
54:51
Speaker 2: talking about black panther shit basically right, and if anyone
54:54
Speaker 2: was going to bring that back, it would It's been
54:56
Speaker 2: him Tupac for sure. And just hearing him talk, I
55:00
Speaker 2: just got this feeling like, fuck, did the government kill him?
55:04
Speaker 2: Because there's a lot of weirdness behind Tupac's yeah, death,
55:08
Speaker 2: there is there. I mentioned that FBI dot vault dot
55:11
Speaker 2: gov site. If you pull up Tupac's file, which of
55:14
Speaker 2: course the FBI had one, there's all this stuff about
55:17
Speaker 2: him being targeted by an unnamed person who is very
55:20
Speaker 2: clearly Suge Knight and the Jewish Defense League, and they
55:25
Speaker 2: targeted him in an extortion scheme where basically he would
55:30
Speaker 2: he started getting these phone calls, the death threats, and
55:34
Speaker 2: he went to Suge Knight, not realizing that Suge Knight
55:37
Speaker 2: was working with the people making these death threats, and
55:39
Speaker 2: sug Knight was like, yeah, I can take care of that,
55:41
Speaker 2: don't you worry about it. And he holds him up
55:44
Speaker 2: and him and his family up in a house for
55:47
Speaker 2: a day and like pretends he's doing all this maneuvering
55:50
Speaker 2: and then finally comes to Tupac and is like, you
55:52
Speaker 2: have to give me one hundred thousand dollars and these
55:54
Speaker 2: death threats will go away. And then they just split
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Speaker 2: the money and it was him and Easy. We're both
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Speaker 2: targeted in these extortion schemes before they died. And that's
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Speaker 2: the kind of shit that's just hiding in government records
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Speaker 2: that we never ever hear about. And I haven't looked
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Speaker 2: into whatever is on that site pertaining to Martin Luther
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Speaker 2: King Junior. I'm assuming it's thousands of pages and would
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Speaker 2: be a nightmare to rifle through. But I guarantee you
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Speaker 2: there's weirdness in there that we haven't heard about.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, scary times. At least things have gotten better.
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Speaker 1: Since, have they, right, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: No, they have not. No, things are still I feel
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Speaker 2: like we're we're getting close to another high profile assassination.
56:40
Speaker 1: I agree.
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Speaker 2: I don't know who it's going to be. Could be
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Speaker 2: someone in the media. I could see that. Yeah, but
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Speaker 2: someone's dying soon. I can fucking feel it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes me sad.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think anybody should lose their life over
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Speaker 3: political beliefs, no matter if I agree or disagree.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And as much as people joke about it, in
56:59
Speaker 2: as much as we've edited jokes about it out of
57:02
Speaker 2: all these podcasts, thank you for doing that. You never
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Speaker 2: want your president to be assassinated.
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Speaker 4: Never.
57:06
Speaker 2: That is a nightmare for your country.
57:09
Speaker 1: It's bad for everyone.
57:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very bad. Like we you want this to
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Speaker 2: play out in a way that doesn't involve that, for sure.
57:17
Speaker 2: So that's our episode. This is one. Like I normally
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Speaker 2: try and end these by saying, whether I agree or
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Speaker 2: disagree or think this, I do think there's a conspiracy here,
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Speaker 2: but I don't know what it is. There's just so
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Speaker 2: many option.
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Speaker 1: Many possibilities.
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Speaker 3: I agree, I think there's a conspiracy, but I again,
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Speaker 3: I do think the government's involved. But who knows to
57:36
Speaker 3: what instance and what they did and whose part was what?
57:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we know why, like if they killed him, Yeah,
57:44
Speaker 2: we know why. We just don't know how for who frustrating,
57:49
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think James are already acted bumble
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Speaker 2: an idiot. So that's our episode. Thank you so much
57:57
Speaker 2: for taking I really appreciate it. Oh we should plug
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Speaker 2: some shit before we get out of here. This is
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Speaker 2: a free episode, so if you're listening to this, just
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Speaker 2: a heads up, you can get two bonus episodes of
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58:17
Speaker 1: Baby, that's nothing, I mean, just do it, Just do it.
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Speaker 2: And also there's a live episode Pretty Scary at the
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Speaker 2: Hollywood Hotel August twenty fifth, last Saturday this month. Come
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Speaker 2: out to that Good Times.
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Speaker 3: You can find out all of my show dates. I'm
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Speaker 3: going to be doing some dates coming up in San
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Speaker 3: Diego and San Francisco soon. I also will be I
58:39
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58:43
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Speaker 3: at Madison Shepherd on Twitter at Madison Underscore Shepherd on
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Speaker 3: Instagram and I think I have a Facebook page, but
59:00
Speaker 3: I don't use it.
59:01
Speaker 1: But like, throw me alike, you know what I mean. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it couldn't hurt.
59:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's a like gonna kill you. I'm saying it's
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Speaker 2: not gonna cost you anything. All right, let's get out
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Speaker 2: of here, Madison. Say goodbye, goodbye Madison, goodbye everybody. We
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Speaker 2: love you.
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Speaker 1: People. Your brother has to be