Latest / Patriots Unfiltered / Patriots Unfiltered 7/30: Live from Patriots Training Camp, First Padded Practice, Observations and Analysis

Transcript

Patriots Unfiltered 7/30: Live from Patriots Training Camp, First Padded Practice, Observations and Analysis · Patriots Unfiltered

• 0:28
  Speaker 1: You coming.
• 1:15
  Speaker 2: Some of the content of Patriots Unfiltered may not be
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised.
• 1:22
  Speaker 3: The World's of Vigein podcast.
• 1:29
  Speaker 4: Live from Patriots Training Camp. This is Patriots Unfiltered, presented
• 1:34
  Speaker 4: by Toyota dot.
• 1:35
  Speaker 3: Com Patriots Training Camp. This is the first day of
• 1:43
  Speaker 3: full pads for the New England Patriots and we are
• 1:46
  Speaker 3: brought to you by Toyota dot Com.
• 1:48
  Speaker 5: Up your game by going to Toyota dot.
• 1:50
  Speaker 3: Com to see the best selection of hybrid, all wheel
• 1:54
  Speaker 3: drive and four wheel drive vehicles of any brand. Toyota
• 1:58
  Speaker 3: is the official vehicle of the New England Patriots. Toyota
• 2:02
  Speaker 3: Let's go places, all right, it's Paul, it's Fred, it's Deuce.
• 2:08
  Speaker 5: Evan'll be here in a little bit.
• 2:09
  Speaker 3: And we are above the practice fields at Gillette Stadium waiting.
• 2:14
  Speaker 5: For practice to start. They're gonna be a little delayed
• 2:16
  Speaker 5: this morning.
• 2:17
  Speaker 3: We just were told by Stacy James, head of pr
• 2:20
  Speaker 3: for the team. I guess they're going to start around
• 2:22
  Speaker 3: ten thirty, so we'll be here, you know, keeping you
• 2:27
  Speaker 3: to get your questions in keeping your company until that time.
• 2:32
  Speaker 3: But today is the first day of full pads. They
• 2:36
  Speaker 3: had an off day yesterday sort of a breather. There's
• 2:40
  Speaker 3: certain rules I think in the NFL where you can't
• 2:43
  Speaker 3: have more than five consecutive practices I think, and then
• 2:46
  Speaker 3: you have to have a day off. So Wednesday was
• 2:49
  Speaker 3: a day off. Now they're back at it for a
• 2:51
  Speaker 3: lot of players. They've told us first full day of
• 2:55
  Speaker 3: pads is really kind of when training camp practice starts.
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: Sure, I mean it felt a little bit of a
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: ramp up, I would say two days ago on Tuesday,
• 3:03
  Speaker 2: where you felt like they were set in the stage
• 3:06
  Speaker 2: for what's going to happen today. Some of the one
• 3:07
  Speaker 2: on one stuff, running those drills with pads, they'll be contact.
• 3:10
  Speaker 2: But you know, I just I like what Mike Brabel
• 3:12
  Speaker 2: had to say about learning to play in the elements.
• 3:14
  Speaker 2: You go back to that AFC Championship game, didn't make
• 3:18
  Speaker 2: the critical mistake, held on and you know we're able
• 3:20
  Speaker 2: to win that game. So be a good test, you know,
• 3:22
  Speaker 2: good mental toughness some of these rookies. That's what I'm
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: interested in. How do they look pads get on Caleb
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: Lomu handling the physicality the NFL, Eli Raritan going in
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: some blocking drills. I mean not usually what moves the needle.
• 3:34
  Speaker 2: But I think first day of pads here, seeing how
• 3:36
  Speaker 2: the rookies hold up with the physicality is a key point.
• 3:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would agree, And you get to see how
• 3:41
  Speaker 6: they handle some of those elements. I would expect to
• 3:44
  Speaker 6: see some red zone stuff, some running game stuff that
• 3:46
  Speaker 6: you haven't really been able to work on as extensively
• 3:49
  Speaker 6: when you're not in pads. So yeah, those kinds of tests,
• 3:52
  Speaker 6: I think from a physical you know, you're already.
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: Getting tested mentally.
• 3:56
  Speaker 6: And I thought when Christian Gonzales spoke on Tuesday, my
• 4:00
  Speaker 6: and he started talking about it was kind of like
• 4:02
  Speaker 6: the first day of real camp. He's talking about the
• 4:04
  Speaker 6: mental aspect because it was really humid that day, you know,
• 4:08
  Speaker 6: first kind of training camp like weather.
• 4:10
  Speaker 2: So you get those mental obstacles.
• 4:13
  Speaker 6: Now you get the physical ones too, so it's always
• 4:15
  Speaker 6: interesting to see how they handle both.
• 4:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 4:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see how the center quarterback exchange works out today, because,
• 4:23
  Speaker 3: as you might have gathered from the background, it's a
• 4:26
  Speaker 3: little bit of a dreary day here in Foxboro. We've
• 4:29
  Speaker 3: had rain all day yesterday, rain all day this morning.
• 4:32
  Speaker 5: Right now, it's just a light mist and from.
• 4:35
  Speaker 3: What we're told by the weather reports, it's going to
• 4:38
  Speaker 3: remain that way throughout practice, so they'll be out outside
• 4:43
  Speaker 3: for the duration of practice. We're not looking at any
• 4:45
  Speaker 3: torrential downpours or lightning or anything like that that could
• 4:49
  Speaker 3: bring them inside.
• 4:50
  Speaker 5: So they'll be out here. But it's gonna be wet,
• 4:52
  Speaker 5: the field's wet, the ball's.
• 4:53
  Speaker 3: Gonna be wet, and you know you need to practice
• 4:57
  Speaker 3: in this kind of weather too.
• 4:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, super fans are out here, as you can see.
• 5:00
  Speaker 2: They got the uh cut the tarps on and trying
• 5:02
  Speaker 2: to stay dry but not too bad, not too cold.
• 5:05
  Speaker 2: But this is always, you know, a great take. And
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: I know you guys have talked in the past about
• 5:09
  Speaker 2: this first day when it was a lot of times
• 5:10
  Speaker 2: goal line and uh, you know Ted Johnson going against
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: what Heath Evans or the you know, the fullback. Maybe
• 5:16
  Speaker 2: I'm missing up my time frames there playing Gash Sam Gash. Yeah,
• 5:18
  Speaker 2: I got a little ahead of myself there, but those
• 5:21
  Speaker 2: are what I expect to see today. We know how
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: much Mike Brabile preaches physicality, and I think this is
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: part of, you know, establishing that team identity that he
• 5:30
  Speaker 2: is you know, constantly trying to install with this team,
• 5:33
  Speaker 2: And this is about mental toughness. You mentioned the snap spread,
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: you know, smooth operation, wet ball. I mean remember the
• 5:40
  Speaker 2: old days of Bill going around spraying the football with water. Well,
• 5:42
  Speaker 2: you don't have to spray it today. You're gonna have
• 5:44
  Speaker 2: your own challenges. So I think it'll be a real
• 5:46
  Speaker 2: good test for these guys, uh, you know, mentally as
• 5:48
  Speaker 2: well as physically.
• 5:49
  Speaker 3: So even though it is the first day of pats,
• 5:51
  Speaker 3: you think they'll be full speed?
• 5:53
  Speaker 5: Probably not right. You don't think they'll be bringing guys
• 5:55
  Speaker 5: to the ground today, right.
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: Oh no, No, I don't think so.
• 5:58
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't expect to see that in terms of like
• 6:00
  Speaker 6: the you know, it's the first day of pads, so
• 6:03
  Speaker 6: I don't. I think it's a little shorter, you know,
• 6:06
  Speaker 6: and probably a little bit lighter in terms of the workload.
• 6:08
  Speaker 6: You might see that ramp up a little bit tomorrow
• 6:11
  Speaker 6: and and moving forward.
• 6:13
  Speaker 2: I think they're going to be in pads.
• 6:15
  Speaker 6: If last year is an indication, I kind of remember
• 6:17
  Speaker 6: back once they got in pads, they were in pads for.
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: A couple of at least three.
• 6:22
  Speaker 6: Consecutive days, for consecutive days, So I would expect to
• 6:25
  Speaker 6: see a similar thing Obviously they're always looking to improve
• 6:29
  Speaker 6: on how they prepare, but I can't really argue much
• 6:32
  Speaker 6: with how they prepared for the season last year, Freddie,
• 6:34
  Speaker 6: you know, going fourteen and three.
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, although they did lose the opening, a couple
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: of losses came early on and all.
• 6:42
  Speaker 3: The turnovers against the Steelers, so little administrative.
• 6:48
  Speaker 5: Work.
• 6:49
  Speaker 3: Gay Baccus is as we know, he's with the team,
• 6:53
  Speaker 3: but we will not see him out there today.
• 6:55
  Speaker 5: No, but Rabel in his press conference today said.
• 6:59
  Speaker 3: He's advancing through the process and he's now with the Trainers, right.
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, positive sign and closer than Harold Landry was what
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: Mike Vrabel said. And I think, you know, with everything
• 7:08
  Speaker 2: that's gone on this spring, I'm excited just to see
• 7:11
  Speaker 2: gay Bachus get on the field because seeing what you
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: saw from him in college, I think he's the kind
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: of guy that's probably like kind of rare and to
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: go and ready to get out there and do what
• 7:19
  Speaker 2: he does. So it'll be exciting to see him if
• 7:21
  Speaker 2: if he does get out there soon, especially with Pads.
• 7:24
  Speaker 2: I think we talked our first show on Saturday, it'll
• 7:26
  Speaker 2: be great to get him out here by today. Not
• 7:28
  Speaker 2: quite gonna happen, but doesn't sound like he's too far off,
• 7:30
  Speaker 2: So I think that's an encouraging sign. We'll see what
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: he looks like when he gets out here.
• 7:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and yesterday we saw Charles Woods go off. Vrabel
• 7:39
  Speaker 3: kind of downplayed that one said, he doesn't think it's
• 7:41
  Speaker 3: anything too serious.
• 7:43
  Speaker 5: Might have been cramps something like that.
• 7:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it could have been heat related.
• 7:47
  Speaker 6: It's funny from watching the two injuries, Calton Davis being
• 7:50
  Speaker 6: the other one, the two guys that left practice earlier,
• 7:52
  Speaker 6: the two corners, I would have reversed it.
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: I would have thought, you know, we'll see Davis because
• 7:57
  Speaker 2: that's what he likes. We always see callin Davis. He's
• 7:59
  Speaker 2: just always on.
• 8:00
  Speaker 6: He's always limping and always dealing with something with his shoulder,
• 8:03
  Speaker 6: but he just seems to always be there. And I
• 8:06
  Speaker 6: didn't think Woods was as as significant. I mean, I
• 8:11
  Speaker 6: thought Woods might be more significant, I should say. And
• 8:13
  Speaker 6: now obviously Rabel said today doesn't really seem like there's
• 8:16
  Speaker 6: a whole lot to worry about.
• 8:17
  Speaker 2: Will so I expect to see Woods. I don't expect.
• 8:20
  Speaker 6: He said, we won't see Carlton Davis.
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: So you know what you're going to get from him
• 8:28
  Speaker 2: as a veteran, so this has been an interesting spot,
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: the depth at cornerback. We knew Charles Woods was a
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: guy that stepped in last year on the outside when
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: he had to to fill in a little bit. So
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: I'm never opposed to if you're going to miss a veteran,
• 8:41
  Speaker 2: hopefully not for long, of course, but if he's gonna
• 8:42
  Speaker 2: miss a few practices, it's going to give a chance
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: for a guy like Charles Woods to really get some
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: good quality reps with the ones, especially here with pads on,
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: So opportunity for him, opportunity for the team to continue
• 8:54
  Speaker 2: to develop that depth that you're always going to need,
• 8:56
  Speaker 2: especially at the cornerback position.
• 8:57
  Speaker 3: Okay, you guys mentioned earlier you think they'll be in
• 9:00
  Speaker 3: red zone today.
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's usually. I think red zone
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: generally is early.
• 9:04
  Speaker 6: Now I might be leading a little bit more on
• 9:07
  Speaker 6: my muscle memory of Bill Belichick, who always had early
• 9:11
  Speaker 6: padded practices were in the you know, filled with the
• 9:13
  Speaker 6: red zone stuff. But I would just I mean, I
• 9:15
  Speaker 6: think just think it makes a lot of sense red
• 9:17
  Speaker 6: zone physicality in the red zone, running game kind of stuff,
• 9:21
  Speaker 6: But in terms of tackling to the ground, I wouldn't
• 9:23
  Speaker 6: expect to see much of any of that.
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: I think it's a really important part for Mike variable
• 9:27
  Speaker 2: in this team last year, I think both the red
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: zone offense and the red zone defense, especially until the
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: playoffs struggled. I think it's a point of emphasis this
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: year that that's a tangible spot where they can be better,
• 9:38
  Speaker 2: where it can make a huge difference in games. So
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: I think it's I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, Paul,
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: we you know, we joke on training camp there usually
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: with Bill they were in the red zone like that
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: was it. I mean it was like, man, it is
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: red zone after red zone after red zone. But I
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: think it's a good opportunity not only set the tone
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: of physicality with the pads, but to stress the importance
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: of getting you know, those stops that they made in
• 9:58
  Speaker 2: the playoffs. I mean, you think about Marcus Jones making
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: that tackle on Justin Herbert, the you know, the fourth
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: down stop against the against the Broncos. Those are huge
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: plays in those games that you know, really contributed to
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: them going to the super Bowl.
• 10:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 10:11
  Speaker 3: So listening to some of Paul's shows by h well,
• 10:14
  Speaker 3: you know, I have a long commute as you know,
• 10:16
  Speaker 3: so I have a lot.
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: Of time and the wait I was on one this morning.
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: There's I think there's a good amount of consternation on
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: the Drake may A J. Brown connection that it hasn't
• 10:28
  Speaker 3: really clicked yet. What what do you guys think.
• 10:32
  Speaker 6: Paul, I don't really have a lot of consternation, but
• 10:36
  Speaker 6: it hasn't really clicked yet. Yeah, you know, but yeah
• 10:39
  Speaker 6: I'm not. This is something I think Fred, you you
• 10:42
  Speaker 6: teed us up just before the start of camp. You
• 10:45
  Speaker 6: know some of the things that you'd be looking to see,
• 10:47
  Speaker 6: and this was kind of one of the areas I
• 10:49
  Speaker 6: was looking at. The overreaction to whatever happens with AJ
• 10:52
  Speaker 6: Brown right go to or bad. I thought there was
• 10:55
  Speaker 6: overreaction on the positive side in the spring, and now
• 10:59
  Speaker 6: I think it might be a little litle bit of
• 11:00
  Speaker 6: overreaction the other way. It hasn't been great. Both Brown
• 11:06
  Speaker 6: and Dobbs to me, look like they're still learning what
• 11:09
  Speaker 6: they're doing. And I think it's hard to play that
• 11:12
  Speaker 6: way even if you're as talented as those two guys are,
• 11:15
  Speaker 6: especially Brown, you know, I mentally productive receiver in this league.
• 11:19
  Speaker 6: I think when you learning a new system. They both
• 11:22
  Speaker 6: come from West Coast backgrounds. West Coast offense backgrounds, yep,
• 11:25
  Speaker 6: which is different, you know, a lot different. We heard
• 11:28
  Speaker 6: from Brian Hoyer a couple of years ago just how
• 11:30
  Speaker 6: different the Josh McDaniels system is to that West Coast system.
• 11:33
  Speaker 6: So that holds true for wide receivers too, So I'm
• 11:37
  Speaker 6: not necessarily consternated. Yeah, but I definitely have noticed that
• 11:43
  Speaker 6: it hasn't it hasn't clicked yet, and I'm.
• 11:45
  Speaker 3: Not going to put it all on the receivers. Drake
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: hasn't been you know, perfectly accurate. Yeah, yeah, I've seen.
• 11:51
  Speaker 5: I've seen.
• 11:52
  Speaker 3: You know, there was one over the middle to Brown
• 11:54
  Speaker 3: where you know we overshot him. Uh So I think
• 11:58
  Speaker 3: the quarterback needs to settle in as well, you know,
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: with his accuracy. So I'm with Paul, I'm not there's
• 12:06
  Speaker 3: no consternation on my part. I think both Dobbs and
• 12:11
  Speaker 3: aj Brown are pros.
• 12:13
  Speaker 5: You know, they'll get it. Yeah, I'll get it, they'll
• 12:15
  Speaker 5: get it. Where I think that it's.
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: Going to take time is in this type of offense,
• 12:20
  Speaker 3: there's some decision making that has to.
• 12:22
  Speaker 5: Be made by the receivers.
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: It's not like that West Coast where everybody's got the route.
• 12:27
  Speaker 5: It's kind of more.
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: Rhythmic, you know, balls out of the hands of the
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: quarterback really quickly.
• 12:32
  Speaker 5: I think there's more thinking involved in this Josh McDaniel's offense.
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: And I don't want to say that it'd tell you
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: it's rocket science, but it just takes a little time.
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: And I would say by next week, you're going to
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: see an improvement.
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would hope. Yeah. And I like what you said, Fred.
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think there were some throws that Drake missed.
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: I think there were probably some where Dobbs or Brown
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: weren't in the exact spot that he wanted him wanted
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: them to be. And that's a work in progress. But
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: you know, I do think it was a positive sign
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: for me just to get that glimpse of Drake launching
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: that bomb to Kaishan Boody, because that was what made
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: Drake a superhero last year. His downfield accuracy, his connection
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: you know with Kaishan Boody was on display last year.
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: It's on display here in practice. So that is what
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: is going to make this team be special. If Drake's
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: able to continue to throw the ball down the field
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: with accuracy, and you know, as Aj Brown and Dobbs
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: hopefully learned to find the right spots and Drake gets
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: warmed up, you can start rolling. But I think there's
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: too much talent to really get worried over what three
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: practices and a walk through they got time. But look,
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: it's something everybody's going to be watching for no question, everybody.
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: All eyes are on aj Brown and how can he
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: elevate this offense? What level can he help them get to?
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: You mentioned booty. I mean he's just doing what he
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: does right. When he gets throwing the ball, he catches it. Yeah, yeah,
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: So I don't know. I'm I'm beginning to think that
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: this guy's going to be a New England Patriot in
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty six.
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: Twenty twenty six, Well, you wonder where you know his
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: head's at. And I mean he's, like Mike Fabel said
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: this morning in the press conference. You know, he's been
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: the same guy. He doesn't really say much. He goes out,
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: he does his job. He catches the ball when it
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: comes his way, even if it's a tough catch. So
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: if you're Kayshan Boudy, do you look at this and
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: say I got a good rapport with Drake? Maybe I
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: won't get the volume that I'm going to need to
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: really truly get that sizeable free agent contract that he
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: might want next year. But at the same time, what's
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: the guarantee if you do go somewhere else and you
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: got to learn a new offense and you got to
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: feel out a new quarterback, is that you know necessarily
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: going to make a more productive somewhere else.
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know, right, And how many quarterbacks have that
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: touchdown field that can take advantage of Booty's talents.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, the
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: most productive twenty twenty six season for Kaishan Boudy very
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: likely is going to come here in New England, even
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: if it is in a you know, rotational kind of
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: a role. And look, injuries happen all the time. It's
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: not hard to see, you know, AJ Brown has a
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: hamstring issue one week or something, you're going to be
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: really glad you have Kaysehan Boody. So I got a
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: lot of respect for how he's gone about it and
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: just how he's progressed since he got here as a rookie. Yeah,
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: we scheduled to hear from him today Booty. Yeah. Yeah,
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: And I feel like.
• 15:03
  Speaker 6: The way that Mike Vrabel answered the question is before
• 15:05
  Speaker 6: we've came on the air, how has he been? You know,
• 15:09
  Speaker 6: we've seen his production on the field, how has he
• 15:11
  Speaker 6: been off the field?
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: And he said exactly the same as last year.
• 15:13
  Speaker 6: Very professional, and I think that that will remain as
• 15:19
  Speaker 6: long as he feels like he's being dealt with.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I agree with Mike. In terms of injuries.
• 15:26
  Speaker 6: We've been talking all off season about how fortunate the
• 15:28
  Speaker 6: Patriots were with injuries last year. Well, maybe that's not
• 15:30
  Speaker 6: the case this year. Who knows, who knows where it comes.
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: If they get injuries, then I think that Booty's best
• 15:36
  Speaker 6: solution is here. If there's no injuries, virtually any option
• 15:40
  Speaker 6: would be more than thirty catches. So I can understand
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: if he gets to the end of training camp and
• 15:46
  Speaker 6: everybody's healthy. Yeah, and now he says, I did everything
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: you guys asked me to do.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: You got to get me somewhere. Now, I don't know
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: what he's going to say.
• 15:53
  Speaker 6: I'm curious to see how he handles those questions. My
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: guess is he's going to take a page out of
• 15:57
  Speaker 6: Christian Gonzalez's playbook from Tuesday. He's not going to get
• 16:00
  Speaker 6: into anything like that. He's just going to say, I'm
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: here playing football. That's my only mindset, my only focus.
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: Has proven that I'm one of the best receivers in
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: his team. He's a very confident kid, and he's and
• 16:11
  Speaker 6: he's carried himself that way for the last really three seasons,
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: but especially the last the last two counting this year,
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: you know, twenty five and twenty six. He's done everything
• 16:20
  Speaker 6: that's been asked of him. And I wouldn't expect him
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: to speak out of turn today either. But if he's
• 16:25
  Speaker 6: feeling that way at the end of training camp, if
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: everybody's healthy, I could completely understand it, because he feels
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: like he's he's capable of more.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what make it interesting too, is if
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Kyle Williams started to make some plays or start to
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: show up a little bit, and then you know, even
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: from the Patriots depth perspective, you might feel like we
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: can get something maybe for Kashawan based on how he's
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: had a really good summer. But this is going to
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: open the door a little bit for Kyle Williams because
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: you know, that's another been another storyline that he just
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: doesn't really gotten any opportunities, and I mean looks sometimes
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: guy's got to run with the twos and you got
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: to find a way to make some plays when the
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: ball does come your way. And that's just where hot
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: that's where, you know. And you know Chisholm's made a
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: few catches here and there, but but he but he
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: has you know, I mean, Kyle Williams hasn't. So you know, again,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to overreact to A J. Brown. I'm
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: not going to overreact to to Kyle Williams, but I
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: think he needs to.
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: Those two guys have not been factors at all. I
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: don't know how one three catches each with the twos.
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: I didn't see the three Kyleiams I saw yesterday Tuesday
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: with the twos, not not with Drake May.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Get any reps with Drake May? Yeah, No.
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: But Chisholm looks good. You know when he's out there.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: With the twos, he's absolutely well. When you're talking about
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: the death, that's that's to me where those guys are.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: And you know you got a wigh Kayshawn Boody in
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: a lame duck year, Kyle Williams, you know, in a
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: year where you're looking for him to make a second year,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Leap won an off season award, has clearly been focused
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: in training. So that's I think that's gonna be where
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: the decision comes down to Williams and Booty all right.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Eight five to five, PATS five hundred is the hotline.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Podcasts at Patriots dot com is the email address.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: We got Lucas and holy Oak, Holy Ok.
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: Probably I went to holy Cross. I never heard of
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: Lucas on the phone. How you doing, I'm doing good.
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: So my question is, do you guys think our offensive
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: line this year, especially on the left side, so Will
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: Campbell will be as good as the start of last year,
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: because when Will Campbell got the injury, he got worse
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: and and had the Super Bowl, it didn't seem like
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: they were one hundred percent.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I think it's going to be better, honestly better be
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: uh yeah, because not just because of Will Campbell, but
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: because of Vera Tucker next to him.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, you've got a really.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Seasoned pro, a pros pro next to him, and if
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: he can stay healthy, I you know, I think he
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: might be I think I heard one of your guys
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: last night, Mike g already say if he's healthy this year,
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: he could be the best pickup of the offseason for
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: the Patriots.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm curious to see lom Lomu. I
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: think Loan was a really important player. You know, I
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: said this morning, I think he's going to back up
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: multiple spots on this line, and I think it's on
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: the coaching staff to get him ready and to you know,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: you heard Mike Raible talk about it this morning, how
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: NFL football is different. And to Paul's point about injuries
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: happening this year, I mean, I think Caleb Lomana when
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: you got Ben Brown, and you know you like Ben Brown,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: he's a solid interior backup, especially at center. But really
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I think Loan move was a backup at four spots.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: So I think they're gonna need Caleb Lomou this year
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: and they got to get him ready. My other question
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: is just Jared Wilson in this transition. When they drafted him,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: people said he's a center, that's his natural position. He
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: able to win the left guard spot last year. I
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: don't think you've heard a lot about that kind of newness,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: because that's really, you know, to me, a major new piece.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: If you don't hear about it, well we'll see when
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: the Pats come on, because you know, this is when
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: you know, you got to worry about having the front
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: of the p keeping the you know, keeping Drake clean,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: those big body interior guys that can you know, I
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: saw matter Bik came back and Baltimore is a good
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: example of just you know, a guy who's a problem
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: on the inside. So, you know, Jerry Wilson's transition, I
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: think is something really to watch that that hasn't been
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: getting a lot of talk, reasonably so given what the
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: practices have been. But now with pads going against some
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: of those big guys, Corey Dirden, how does he hold
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: up on the inside and the type of question the.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Big test will be that first joint practice with the Colts,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: because that's when we'll get our first real indication of
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: how the offensive line is going. And you know, I
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: keep going back to two years ago when the Eagles
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: came here, and man, did we get a dose of
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: reality of what our offensive line was like? You know, yeah,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: we were going against one of the best defensive fronts.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: In the league at that time, but you couldn't get
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: a playoff.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but it was like literally you couldn't
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: run your offense, you couldn't run your offense. So you know,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: even though even in joint practices you're not tackled full
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: you know, up front, they're playing full speed. And so
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: when the Colts come to town for that one joint practice, well.
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: I think we'll get our first real.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Indication of where they are at this point in time.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you'll get your first almost real today
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: with the one on ones that go on, and there'll
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: be you know, plenty of stats coming out about how
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: will Campbell held up, how jar you know, what does
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Elijah Ponder look like? And some of these drills. You know,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: that'll be what we overreact to today. But that's what
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm excited to see that those those
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: one on one matchups, the physicality and Lomu, especially getting
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: him out there and seeing how he deals with the
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: one on ones.
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: Mike makes a great point too about the overreaction. It's like,
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: what's the one area everybody is sort of agreement that
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: you know they might be lacking. And not only they're lacking,
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: but two of the guys that you're hoping a big
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: part of it haven't practiced yet.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Landry and act as bitch, right, right, So now the
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: offensive line will do a great impassment. That didn't be like,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: oh I thought I thought real Campbell couldn't play it.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Will just make the biggest deal. Jesse Luketta couldn't get
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: past Will Campbell today. But I but I do think, uh,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: you know, draymonnt Jones is a veteran, so there you
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: know there will be some some interest there and you know,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: of course that's it'll all be overreaction. But I got
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: to say, like I just I'm a Will Campbell fan.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I think he's really athletic guy, he's really tough, and
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: I'm excited just to see in your two how it
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: all translates winning offseason award him and Jared Wilson got
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: of translated here to the field. You know, you win
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: the weight lifting award and you've been around and you're
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: being good guy. That that's all well and nice, but
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: this is when things start to get real, and you know,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I just love to see Will Campbell take that next
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: step because you know, I think he brings attitude to
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: the offensive line. I think he's snarly when he you know,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: as a finisher, and I think that he's really athletic
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: and he's able to lead plays, and I think he
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: can really be a factor for Josh McDaniels. I don't
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: know how much of a you know, how much that
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: played an impact last year. We talked about, you know,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: him having a tough time in pass protection with the knee,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: but I also just wonder how much it affected them
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: in terms of getting him out on screens. I think
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: that's when you know, you see him do some of
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: his best work is when he's out out moving in space.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, but what a difference, you know, from
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: two years ago to last year to now now. It
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: seems like when it comes to the offensive line, not
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: only do the front five look better.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: But the depth is there too.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're talking about we can't wait to see Lomo,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: but we could see him in a number of places.
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: Ben Brown is a solid.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: You know, uh, interior guy in in three spots, So
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of quality depth.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: You know, you're gonna have Morgan Moses.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: On the outside on the right side, but you know
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Lomo's getting runs behind him.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: So you've got two really good subs.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: We hope with Lomo and certainly with Ben Brown, boy,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: they've come a long way.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a promising I mean seven guys. You know,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: you wonder maybe Marcus Bryant is the ape seeing him
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: getting some decent word, you know, Mike, Yeah, yeah. I
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: mean that's you know, another second year guy who who's
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: showing some development. But what about Crono the less so,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I mean I haven't seen much of him. I mean,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: he's another big dude. I mean it's almost the same
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: thing as Marcus Bryant, where you have, you know, really
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: tall guy with some traits that you know, might need
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: a little bit of time to develop, but clearly they
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: have a love for these big tackles. And you know, again,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: just to go back to Lomu, I think, you know,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm still not on the fence, but like, I
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: still think he's got a ways to go. I still
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: think he's you know, needs every practice of this camp
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: to get up to speed and to get to a
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: place where, you know, and here he comes walking up
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: the hill now ready for his fist. He looks, he's like,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: do shut up, I'm ready to dominate.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: But but you know it's.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, the knock on him a little bit
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: coming out was that he didn't quite have the attitude
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: that you know, maybe Varabel's teams want. And you know, again,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: it's almost the same thing as Gonzalez, where like, oh
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: he doesn't quite hit and I'm like, yeah, but does
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: he is the athletic? Does he have the traits he does?
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: So we'll see today if he plays, you know, maybe
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: with a little bit of edge, if they were able
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: to start to bring that out of out of Lomu
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: a little bit.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned rared in his name. We move over
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: to the side a little bit, from the offensive line
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: over to the tight ends.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: He's shown some catching ability.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Here, made a couple of catches, you know, sitting down
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: playing you know a little bit more with with the twos. Uh,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: you know, I think it's how does he fit in
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: with with Tanner Arkin and you know Jack West Over
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: those two guys. I think, you know, you want a
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: complimentary guy with Hunter Henry. You don't want, you know,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Hunter Henry and a guy who's going to be just
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: a just a receiver unless you're you know, third and
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: fifteen and you're you're trying to stretch everything out. So yeah,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: you know, I'd love to just see him start to
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: show up every day and start to you know, we're
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: seeing little bits here and there. Do with the twos first,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: then maybe he starts to get some chances for the ones,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: because you know, a guy like Tanner Arkin can come in,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: be complimentary to Hunter Henry, be a blocking guy, be
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: a presence in the run game. But when I look
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: at Eli rhard and I just see all kinds of potential.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I think he's got the frame to be a blocker.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: He looks pretty smooth on the hoof. It just has
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: to continue to stack days here.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: At the Rooks on the hoof, I heard it. Yeah, right, runs,
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: it looks good. Where would you get that one?
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know, just can't to me, friends moved on
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: the hoof? Does that make sense? You know what?
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: I don't like running and he's smooth and so he's a.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Super runner, runs smoothly.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Coach is like a horse though, and he's I don't know,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: it just came out of me.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: Okay, all right.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: You know it is frustrating for me though when we
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: go to these practices because and you want to talk
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: defense other than coverage, it's how can.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: You judge the defense? Yeah you really can't.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: I mean I see Milton Williams and Barmore up there
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: and that gives me a lot of confidence.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: But I have no idea how they're doing it.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Well, there's been some runs where it's there's no no
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: room in there. I do also, just Sam and I
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: thought the first couple of days, which is, you know,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: the covers there round the ball a lot. I mean,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Christian gan Zalez, you know, Craig Woodson coming up with
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: a pick. That's all you can really ask, and these
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: kind of in these kind of situations. But I still
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: look at the secondary, even with the limited viewing power
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: we have here, I still think that's right now, the
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: best best unit on the team that showed up right
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: out of the gate. Now without Carlon Davis, I think
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: that might that might change a little bit.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: So do we know, like what what his deal is?
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: No?
• 27:11
  Speaker 8: Did it's like a leg Yeah, some type of legs maybe, yeah, Yeah,
• 27:15
  Speaker 8: that's it's Rabel didn't sound like he's sound like it
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: might be a couple of days from the tone that
• 27:18
  Speaker 8: that Brabel said in the in the pregame press conference
• 27:21
  Speaker 8: there pre practice, excuse me.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: So we'll see. I mean again, christ they're about seventeen
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: times last year. I thought Carlton Davis was gone for
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: the year, then we'd see him back out. So hopefully, hopefully,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: you know, it's nothing major and there they're just going
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: to be precautious. You know, Carlton Davis is going to
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: show up. I mean, look at him in the playoffs.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: That was you know, I thought he was good in
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: the regular season last year, but you know he was
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: excellent in the playoffs.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: All right, do we want to take a break? I can't, Okay,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: So let's take a break. When we come back, we'll
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: get closer. Practice going to start around ten thirty, so
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: about twenty minutes from now, but we'll be back with
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: your calls and emails right after this.
• 27:58
  Speaker 9: Come Welcome on the newest restaurant additions at Patriot Place.
• 28:02
  Speaker 9: Estella brings a celebration of flavors with a modern fusion menu,
• 28:05
  Speaker 9: exciting cocktails and brunch available daily beginning at eleven am.
• 28:09
  Speaker 9: Enjoy freshly brewed coffee and Mediterranean inspired breakfast and lunch
• 28:12
  Speaker 9: from Angels Cafe. Craving the classics, Chick fil A makes
• 28:15
  Speaker 9: it easy to grab your favorite with mobile through carry
• 28:18
  Speaker 9: out and dine in options. Download the Patriot Place Advantage
• 28:22
  Speaker 9: app for special offers. And to earn rewards every time
• 28:24
  Speaker 9: you visit Patriot Place Shop Dine enjoy.
• 28:28
  Speaker 10: The heaviest metal credit card of all time, wielded at
• 28:32
  Speaker 10: business dinners like a samurai sword. It's a classic corporate
• 28:37
  Speaker 10: power move, but the real power move. Having end to
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: end visibility on your most critical shipments FedEx the new
• 28:43
  Speaker 10: power move.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Whether you're in the game or betting on the game,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: you'll need a game plan. Draftking Sports Book, the official
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: sports betting partner of the New England Patriots, provides you
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: with everything you need to build your personal betting game
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: plan so you can get in on all the action
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: while practicing safe bets. Visit DraftKings dot com slash Responsible
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: dash Gaming to learn more about all the safe betting
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: tools DraftKings has to offer. Hope is here eight hundred
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: and three two seven fifty to fifty or gambling Helplinema
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: dot org must be twenty one plus play it smart
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: from the start game. Sincema dot com physically president Massachusetts,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: see DraftKings dot com slash Responsible dash Gaming for details
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: and state specific responsible gambling resources.
• 29:27
  Speaker 11: There's enough needless nonsense in the world already. Your phone
• 29:30
  Speaker 11: plan shouldn't add to it. Verizon's new Simplicity Plan cuts
• 29:33
  Speaker 11: down on the nonsense in your life. Now there's just
• 29:35
  Speaker 11: one plan, one price, thirty dollars a line per month,
• 29:38
  Speaker 11: even for a single line, and everyone gets our best
• 29:41
  Speaker 11: five G network.
• 29:42
  Speaker 12: It's a phone plan.
• 29:43
  Speaker 11: Designed to do exactly what a phone plan is supposed
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: to do. Isn't that a lot simpler? Switch today at
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: Barizon dot com or at your nearest store for new customers.
• 29:50
  Speaker 11: Thirty dollars per line includes autopayan switch discount, additional taxi
• 29:53
  Speaker 11: fees in terms apply. Unlimited data is retricted to on
• 29:55
  Speaker 11: devicemarphone usage to Messi data roaming atwog speeds.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Live from Patriots training Camp. This is Patriots Unfiltered, presented
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: by Toyota dot Com.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Legal Seafoods is giving fans a true taste of Boston
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: this season as the official seafood restaurant of the New
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: England Patriots.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: Pregame or postgame.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Get the seafood you love at your local restaurant today
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Legal Seafoods dot Com. All right, we are back here
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: high above practice field at Jillette Stadium, live on Patriots Unfiltered.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: We're joined now by Evan Hi. Evan Lazarre. We've been
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: talking a lot.
• 30:36
  Speaker 12: Yes, you know, that's what we do.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: You you often look at things through a different lens
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: sometimes than most human beings.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: So what what are your takes up to this point?
• 30:48
  Speaker 12: Just in general?
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that.
• 30:52
  Speaker 13: Generally speaking, I felt like it was kind of a
• 30:55
  Speaker 13: home start to training camp.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 30:57
  Speaker 13: I think what's jarring to me is how few starting roles,
• 31:03
  Speaker 13: if any, are kind of for grabs in this training camp.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: And is that a good thing.
• 31:07
  Speaker 13: I think it's a good sign of a good team. Yeah,
• 31:09
  Speaker 13: that you don't have all these questions all over the team.
• 31:11
  Speaker 13: But since I've been you know, here and working for
• 31:13
  Speaker 13: the team Fred, every training camp we come in and.
• 31:16
  Speaker 12: It's like who's the quarterback, who's the left tackle?
• 31:18
  Speaker 13: You know, what's going on in this practice, in this
• 31:21
  Speaker 13: training camp, I feel like I could probably tell you.
• 31:24
  Speaker 12: You could probably tell me.
• 31:26
  Speaker 13: Who the starting eleven guys on both sides of the
• 31:28
  Speaker 13: ball Week one against Seattle are going to be.
• 31:30
  Speaker 12: Already we're talking a lot.
• 31:31
  Speaker 13: About the third cornerback spot or you know, the fourth
• 31:36
  Speaker 13: third tight end, or the third running back or like
• 31:38
  Speaker 13: all these depth battles, which I think is a good sign.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: Like you said, yep. In terms of the age.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: You know, we started the show talking about the AJ
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Brown Drake May connection. Yeah, your take on that.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:53
  Speaker 13: I think that AJ Brown has built up so much
• 31:56
  Speaker 13: equity over his career that I almost need to see
• 32:00
  Speaker 13: him struggle in regular season games before I even start
• 32:03
  Speaker 13: to worry that he's not going to get it. You know,
• 32:05
  Speaker 13: I think it's way too early now. But I don't
• 32:08
  Speaker 13: even know if I care if he's struggling in any
• 32:10
  Speaker 13: of the practices because he's AJ Brown, Like, I just
• 32:13
  Speaker 13: expect him to figure it out.
• 32:14
  Speaker 12: I expect him to be good.
• 32:16
  Speaker 13: I think that he and Drake May both expect it
• 32:19
  Speaker 13: to figure.
• 32:20
  Speaker 12: Itself out as well.
• 32:21
  Speaker 13: And the one other thing I would add, and I
• 32:23
  Speaker 13: think we brought it up the other day, he's not, really,
• 32:26
  Speaker 13: as Dan Campbell said, a pajama party guy. Like he's
• 32:29
  Speaker 13: a full pads. He's a football player, you know, like
• 32:33
  Speaker 13: he's not. He's a physical guy. He's great after the
• 32:36
  Speaker 13: catch with the ball in his hands. He's great at
• 32:39
  Speaker 13: you know, boxing out and fighting for body positioning and
• 32:41
  Speaker 13: bumping guys off routes and things like that. You're not
• 32:44
  Speaker 13: going to do that in an unpadded practice. Against your teammate, Like,
• 32:47
  Speaker 13: he's not going to run into Christian Gonzalez and knock
• 32:50
  Speaker 13: him off the top of the route in the second
• 32:52
  Speaker 13: day of training camp. So if you're looking for a
• 32:55
  Speaker 13: guy that is that quick separator, then that's probably not
• 32:58
  Speaker 13: who he is at this point of his career. But
• 33:00
  Speaker 13: I'm not concerned at all about him long term. You know,
• 33:03
  Speaker 13: it's obviously something that we all jot down, like, hey,
• 33:07
  Speaker 13: it hasn't looked great yet, but I don't think it's
• 33:09
  Speaker 13: a cause for concern at all.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, what about Romeo Dobbs, because he's been quiet that one.
• 33:15
  Speaker 13: I'm maybe a little bit more small he concerned about
• 33:17
  Speaker 13: just because he, like I said just now, he doesn't
• 33:20
  Speaker 13: have the equity that Aj Brown has. He's not a
• 33:23
  Speaker 13: multi time pro bowler and a fifteen hundred yard receiver
• 33:26
  Speaker 13: in his career. So I would like to see Dobbs
• 33:30
  Speaker 13: get open a little bit more. I feel like every
• 33:32
  Speaker 13: target that I see of him, it feels like there's
• 33:35
  Speaker 13: a lot of traffic around him, or he's draped in
• 33:37
  Speaker 13: coverage or something like that.
• 33:39
  Speaker 12: You would like to see a little bit more separation.
• 33:42
  Speaker 13: And maybe that's you know, kind of contradictory to say,
• 33:45
  Speaker 13: I'm not worried about aj Brown at all, but I'm
• 33:47
  Speaker 13: a little worried about Romeo Dobbs. But to me, it's
• 33:49
  Speaker 13: really just about the players we're talking about.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: You know, head coach Mike Rabel arriving to practice, does
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: he look a little beefier.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to judge him on that. He
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: did say some of the coaches need to be eating
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: a little. I don't know if he's referring it to
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: himself or the other guys, but you know, just to
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Evan's point, I think, you know, the hope maybe is that.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: And we talk so much about how difficult it was
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: for receivers to earn Brady's trust and to learn this offense,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: and I don't think it's the same bar with Drake
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: that it was with you know, Brady at the end
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: of his career. But I do think an element of
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: playing fast is knowing what you're doing and not overthinking it.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: And if you are overthinking early on, you might be
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: a little bit slower and a little less likely to separate.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: So that's my hope that as we see these guys
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: start to stack days and reps, that you start to
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: see them pick up the speed a little bit nowhere
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: to be know exactly where Drake wants to put the
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: ball and you'll start to see some progress.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: So Evan, with this being the first day of pads, Yes,
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: what are you looking at?
• 34:42
  Speaker 12: The guys were showing right now.
• 34:44
  Speaker 13: I mean, look, I know that we talk a lot
• 34:46
  Speaker 13: about Drake May and the wide receivers and aj Brown,
• 34:49
  Speaker 13: but the season hinges on those guys in the white
• 34:52
  Speaker 13: jerseys right good about the old line, Will Campbell, Morgan Moses.
• 34:56
  Speaker 13: You see Caleb Blowmon taking a right tackle pass set
• 34:58
  Speaker 13: right there on the right side. Like, those guys are
• 35:02
  Speaker 13: in my opinion, going to make or break the season,
• 35:04
  Speaker 13: because I think that Drake May is going to get
• 35:06
  Speaker 13: them where he got them last year, deep into the playoffs.
• 35:10
  Speaker 13: But if they're going to win this thing, then it's
• 35:12
  Speaker 13: going to come down to improvement. From sixty six Will Campbell,
• 35:15
  Speaker 13: from fifty five, Jared Wilson, like, those guys are the
• 35:18
  Speaker 13: guys that are going to have to really step up
• 35:21
  Speaker 13: and improve. And I would say on the other side,
• 35:23
  Speaker 13: to do some side of the ball. You know what
• 35:25
  Speaker 13: do they get out of those edge rushers? You know
• 35:27
  Speaker 13: what can they get out of those That group as well,
• 35:30
  Speaker 13: I think is just as important as the offensive line.
• 35:32
  Speaker 13: So for this team, I feel like I have pretty
• 35:36
  Speaker 13: much kind of know what they're going to get out
• 35:37
  Speaker 13: of the quarterback position and the receivers. I'm more concerned
• 35:40
  Speaker 13: about what they're going to get out of those two spots.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I said it before earlier when we were talking
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: about the old line. I really like the position we're
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: in right now. You know, one through five and then
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: the backups. I think for the first time in a
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: long time, we're talking about five up front that you
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: have confidence in and then backups depth that you.
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: Know if someone gets hurt, you have just as much confidence.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they've been really intentional. I mean, you've got your
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: last two first round picks are along the offensive line.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Great signing last year in Morgan Moses, you know, great
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: drafting there with Jared Wilson too, to find a little
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: bit of a gem there and you know, be able
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: to get him a year of experience, even though you
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: had Garrett Bradberry in there, and of course Michael WHENU
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: established players. I'm curious too to have to see how
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: much Morgan Moses does today. He's been on a little
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: bit of a plan. He was in a big plan
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: last year. This might be a great opportunity here on
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: this first day to just, you know, give Lomu a
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: bunch of reps and get his feet wet, throw right
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: into the fire.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Yep Nick and East Long Metal rights in Taysom Hill
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: and the Saints officially announced he won't be returning to
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: the team. I think he'd be a nice addition for
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: the Patriots. Josh McDaniels could get pretty creative with that player.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: What do you think about that?
• 36:50
  Speaker 12: Yeah, he's did ten years into his career right now.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 36:54
  Speaker 13: I think that that one sounded like maybe a retirement
• 36:58
  Speaker 13: is coming from the NFL. If not, I would imagine
• 37:01
  Speaker 13: that his first call will be to Sean Payton in
• 37:03
  Speaker 13: Denver to reunite with Sean Payton.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: It's a good club.
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: I'm not really I never really.
• 37:08
  Speaker 12: Was in on Taysom Hill. It's not really my thing.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Especially not taking Drake off the field for him.
• 37:12
  Speaker 13: I like, if you have to get into I never
• 37:14
  Speaker 13: understood why the Saints took Drew Brees off the field
• 37:16
  Speaker 13: as much as they did.
• 37:18
  Speaker 12: For Taysom Hill. So it's not not my cup of tea.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: But okay, uh Todd in Garner, North Carolina, other than
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Drake May what three players need to take the next
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: step in their development for the Patriots to make a
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: deep run in the playoffs.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: There's two offensive linement Will Campbell, Will Campbell, Jared Wilson,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: and you know, I just to throw a random one.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I think Elijah Ponder if he's able to, you know,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: be that guy on the edge and give them early
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: down snaps, give them some juice off the edge. I
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: think that would be a huge boost and alleviate some
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: of the concerns you might have with you know, Harold
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Landry Frabel saying he's not as close as uh, you know,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: as Gay Bacchus is right now. So it's you know
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: that to me is such a key part of this
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: team seeing the development of those edge players. How does
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Draymont Jones fit in? He said he's been in this defense.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: He knows what he's doing. So hopefully those two guys
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: are able to hold the fort at least early on,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: until you get Akis and Landry up to speed.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: And maybe Swinson's in the mix.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know. He's showed up a little bit here
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: and there, and you know, talked about is changing his diet,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: all those things he's done to really take all this seriously,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: so you know, maybe he's a little bit of a wildcard.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Some really good perspective right now where the offensive line
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: is working out. Over the years, this area of the
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: practice field has been known as Dante's Inferno because the
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: O line they're always doing something, you know, while they're
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: doing seven on seven somewhere else, the O line is
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: constantly working out in this part of the field, and
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: we're getting a ground level perspective of them right now.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: You know, practice really hasn't officially started kind of in
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: their position, just getting ready warming up. Practice will officially
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: start in a few minutes, so there's ponder working. The
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: guys do their own thing just to kind of get
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: the blood flowing.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great practice. I mean it's you know, it's just
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: interesting in pro football. The more you watch it and
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: study it is just how the minute details of these
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: kind of things. You know, you look at these guys
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: and their giants and you think, oh, he can beat
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: somebody up, but everybody's a giant, and it comes down
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: to footwork and false steps and hand placement and resetting
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: your hands and you know, there's so much to that
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: technique and you can see a lot of these players
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: working on those kind of things. Those are the kind
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: of things that you know, Caleb lom who's going to
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: have to learn where you take one half false step
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: one direction your beat in the NFL, that's how small
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: the margin is for er. So you know, getting these
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: guys up to speed. Doug Maroon did a great job
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: last year, Joe Jason hotailing. Hopefully they can get those
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: guys continuing to progress. Such a theme for this season,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: continuing to progress, guys Corey Dirt and second year in
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: this system. Let's get all those guys continuing up the
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: hill and good.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Shot right there of the new training center for the Patriots,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: the new Balance Athletics Center.
• 40:04
  Speaker 12: And the quarterback struggling with this.
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: Somebody so as opposed to last year where.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: The locker rooms were in the stadium and you walk
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: down the service tunnel and then outside the stadium, then
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: up the stairs.
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: Right now they walk out and they're right on the field.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't see him anymore. We were going in
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: to record our post practice wrap up and it's.
• 40:27
  Speaker 12: Kind of I kind of missed that.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you usually would have like a sweaty
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: player walking in after, you know, but now, beautiful facility,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: and then I know, I haven't actually been in a
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: good chunk of it yet, not that I should or
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: it should be, but I'm excited to see the locker
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: room for sure.
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's beautiful. It really is.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Everything about it, the locker room, the weight room, you know,
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: their lounge.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: The dining room is huge. I mean the dining room.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: I mean it's it's like anything you could possibly want.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: It's it's a food lover's fantasy, the dining room. So
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: the locker room is huge.
• 41:06
  Speaker 13: That that's the part that stood out to me. And
• 41:08
  Speaker 13: this is a total champagne problem, but like there could
• 41:11
  Speaker 13: be a scrum going on on the other side of
• 41:12
  Speaker 13: the locker room when we have open locker room dues,
• 41:15
  Speaker 13: and you will have no idea what was said or
• 41:17
  Speaker 13: what was happening over there because it's that big. Compared
• 41:21
  Speaker 13: to the game day locker room too. I think that
• 41:24
  Speaker 13: the extra space I'm sure the players.
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: Are letting at and and other teams. There was a
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: couple announcements just the last couple of days.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: The Giants are redoing their training Facilityronos and the Broncos,
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: and then there was another team announcing, you know, the
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: building of a new facility. So that's the thing. You
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: have to compete in the NFL. You know, it's an
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: arms race. Players, no free agents know who's got the
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: good facilities.
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: They talk and it's turning into college. Yeah, you have
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: you have to do it.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: I remember, you know, we're in Vegas a couple of
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: years ago that was towards the Asma Hall. But even
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Minnesota last year, great facility, you know, everything right there,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: and you just see what modern football training facilities are
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: looking like. And clearly the new Battleans Athletic Center is
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: right on the cutting edge.
• 42:13
  Speaker 13: So on looks is the inside is a little bit
• 42:16
  Speaker 13: like Minnesota's. They took me around there when we were
• 42:19
  Speaker 13: there for a day and gave me a little quick tour,
• 42:22
  Speaker 13: and I feel like ours is similar to the one
• 42:25
  Speaker 13: that the Vikings have, and they're both really nice.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: While we wait for practice to officially start, good time
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: for an over under game, you guys ready, yeah, all right,
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: so this is for the season. Drake May passing yards
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: four thousand in a hay over, Paul says over.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Paul's giving the thumbs up, enthusiastic.
• 42:43
  Speaker 12: Four thousand, I'd say over.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, Drake May passing touchdowns thirty five and a hay
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: it's a good number.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Passing is a good number.
• 42:52
  Speaker 12: Total touchdowns passing touchdown.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go I'm gonna say he's under.
• 42:57
  Speaker 12: I'm gonna say under slightly because.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: The other the rest of the offense is even better.
• 43:01
  Speaker 12: Well, I think he's going to I can call over,
• 43:03
  Speaker 12: We're going to get some rushing time.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Positive over there pointing to the sky.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Running game is going to be elite this year. So
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: May interceptions four and a hay over, that's that's more
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: than that last year.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you like, I would say, like
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: nine would be like a good like nine and a
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: half would be a good number.
• 43:21
  Speaker 13: I think the question with him, I don't know this
• 43:23
  Speaker 13: is gotten the list, but the question with him is fumbles,
• 43:25
  Speaker 13: not not interceptions.
• 43:27
  Speaker 12: Yeah, but that fumbles number has got to come down.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Stevenson rushing yards seven fifty and a Hey.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go over on that. I think I
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: think you can find a way to get to a
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: thousand of them, wander if he stays healthy.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, well then you got Henderson rushing yards eight fifty
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: and a hey, I'll say under on that one case.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Receiving yards is where he might rack up a little more.
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they don't have scrimmage yard.
• 43:49
  Speaker 12: I think that's a good number.
• 43:50
  Speaker 13: I think those two numbers are pretty good right where
• 43:53
  Speaker 13: well the Skys are.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Both thinking can hit there, you know, and now you're
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: talking sixteen hundred yards between the two of them.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: That's pretty good.
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: So a J.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Brown receiving yards one thousand and a hay over that's.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Cool over yeah, over evan. Any fatation anything less than
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: that I think could be people be disappointed.
• 44:10
  Speaker 13: He had a thousand last year and everybody told me
• 44:12
  Speaker 13: he was washed from the season.
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: Last year and he was a terrible season.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Over one thousand.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: So booty receiving yards seven fifty in a hay under
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: under under.
• 44:23
  Speaker 12: Not enough opportunity for seven to fifty.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, but give me a four and a half touchdown
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: over under and that might be.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: So let me let me just ask this question.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: This isn't part of what Kyle from Pembroke wrote in
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: how many yards?
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: Well, then would you consider good for the number two receiver?
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Whoever that turns out to be, Whether it's Romeo, Dobbs
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: or someone else. What would you want to see from
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: the number two on this team?
• 44:49
  Speaker 13: I'd say like eight hundred. Eight hundred is like the
• 44:54
  Speaker 13: that's the bottom line, right, Like you got to be
• 44:56
  Speaker 13: above that, and anything above that I think is good
• 45:00
  Speaker 13: are cooking them with gas. But I would say like
• 45:02
  Speaker 13: eight hundred just based off a volume, you.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Know, And is there any chance, just because of merit
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: and because of what he's doing out there, that Booty
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: could emerge as the number two receiver on this team?
• 45:15
  Speaker 12: Yeah?
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: I mean sure, I just you know, I get caught
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: up in the stuff where, you know, do you want
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: guy with a lot of yards? Do you want a
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: guy with a lot of catches? You know. I think
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: there's a balance between you know, having a volume guy
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: that's going to move the change, but also you know,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: having a guy down the field that can that can
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: stretch things out. I think that's You're.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: Just assuming that that's all that could be in Booty's repertoire,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: And in the back of my mind, I'm thinking maybe
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: you could use him in more than that.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I'll be interesting if you know, say Dobbscott
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Hurt or you know, Dobbs wasn't able to go. Would
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: that open a door for Kashawn Booty for them to say, look,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: let's take him out of you know, kind of what
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: we've been doing with him and move them around a
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: little bit more, give him those opportunities. I mean, I
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: trust Josh McDaniels. I think Josh McDaniels knows how to
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: evaluate wide receivers in his system and who can do
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: what and how they can be best employed. Uh, and
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: so you know, we'll see fred. I think that would
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: be a really interesting thing though, if you saw all
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, Booty starting to you know, maybe run
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: a little bit more of the quick game stuff and
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: you know, get the ball out getting in his hands
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: and see what he can do after the catch.
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: Henry receiving yards five hundred and a hey.
• 46:18
  Speaker 12: Had more than that last year.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: So yeah, let's let's go a little slightly over, I know,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: get some respect on the top tight ends list. I
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: think he was like seventh or eighth in there or something,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: so hanging on and you know, Madden, it's a list.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: I saw somebody on one of Paul's TV shows yesterday,
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: good news for the Patriots, Drake may was I don't
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: know what he said fifth Madden list.
• 46:42
  Speaker 12: I think he was like six.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Really, that's good news for.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: The team that Madden ranks Drake may highed, you know six, Like,
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: what are we doing here?
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: I think we're judging things by Madden.
• 46:53
  Speaker 13: I think that there's a general consensus though that he's
• 46:56
  Speaker 13: that right now, he's sixth, and that puts him right
• 46:59
  Speaker 13: outside of the club with Stafford and Lamar and Alan
• 47:04
  Speaker 13: and Mahomes and Burrow because I don't think he's done enough.
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: And it's fine, but I don't even Madden to tell me, Well,
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: that's my point.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: I say, we're not just for the Patriots because of video,
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: right is that's highly ranked.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: They're cutting edge.
• 47:19
  Speaker 13: Barth cut into the show yesterday on Catch twenty two
• 47:22
  Speaker 13: with him with breaking news about the Matten.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: I was just about to break Barth up because I
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: thought as soon as said that, he's.
• 47:30
  Speaker 13: Like we got a little bit of Patriots news, and
• 47:32
  Speaker 13: I was like, oh, go like Christian Gonzalez or whatever,
• 47:34
  Speaker 13: and he's like Hunter Henry is the eighth rated tight
• 47:37
  Speaker 13: end and Madden and I was like, seriously, all right,
• 47:40
  Speaker 13: God got.
• 47:41
  Speaker 9: Drake rated his number twenty three.
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: I'm looking at the website right now.
• 47:44
  Speaker 13: Maybe twenty three over overall, but overall i'mou quarterbacks.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: He was six sorry, right, right.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: Right right, Gonzo interceptions four and a hey, I'm.
• 47:54
  Speaker 12: Gonna go under.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: He's not a big interceptions because they don't throw out.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I thought Whatrable today kind of spoke to
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: that a little bit about you know, maybe being able
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: to make some more plays when he's not matched up
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: with a guy. That seems like a point of emphasis
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: for him using his athleticism to try to you know,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: get in on plays that where he's the extra guy.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll see. I mean, I think that's the
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: final frontier for him to you know, have one of
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: those seasons. I don't think it's ever consistent like you
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: see those guys. It's not like, oh, every year he
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: gets eight, like you know there's guys that have they
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: every year at eight and then they're back down to three.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: So I'd love to just see him have one of
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: those special years with the ball. Just seems to find
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: him really rounded out.
• 48:30
  Speaker 13: I remember Santa Samuel talking about this and him going
• 48:34
  Speaker 13: back and forth with Bill about playing press or playing
• 48:37
  Speaker 13: off the line of scrimmage, and he said, and when
• 48:40
  Speaker 13: I played press. I can't see the ball, so how
• 48:42
  Speaker 13: do you expect me to pick the ball off? If
• 48:44
  Speaker 13: my back is to the quarterback, I'm not going to
• 48:46
  Speaker 13: be able to see the ball. So they started to
• 48:48
  Speaker 13: let a Sante Samuel play off more and use the
• 48:51
  Speaker 13: T step, you know, and drive on the ball a
• 48:53
  Speaker 13: little bit more, and then his interception numbers went up,
• 48:56
  Speaker 13: so you know, maybe Gonzo, you know, playing a little
• 48:58
  Speaker 13: bit more off coverage and allowing him to keep eyes
• 49:01
  Speaker 13: in the backfield so you can see the ball coming
• 49:04
  Speaker 13: towards him. It's hard to pick off a lot of
• 49:06
  Speaker 13: passes when your back is to the quarterback, like, it's
• 49:08
  Speaker 13: not a position to pick off.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: You heard the horn in the background. That signifies a
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: change of periods. So we must be in period two now,
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Yes we are, because we're not allowed to shoot one.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: So cameras are on now and we're doing period two.
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: So you can see.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: The offensive line and the quarterbacks getting together. And as
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: you know, if you've watched practice before, they build up
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: things progressionally. You know, they take one step at a
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: time and they build towards seven and seven, and then
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: seven on seven builds to eleven on eleven and that's
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: how they run practice.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yep, yeah, the wather's kind of held off too.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: This doesn't look bad at all. It's just a little
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: gloomy now, but not really much precipitation, so not quite
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: the test mental tests that it might have been if
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: it had been pouring out like it was earlier.
• 49:57
  Speaker 12: So crazy you want to mental test in their rain.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: I don't want it. I don't want it. I'm just
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: saying it would be a little bit more mentally chal
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 50:05
  Speaker 13: I know, but I heard you guys talking about the
• 50:09
  Speaker 13: elements and all this stuff, like let's just let's just
• 50:12
  Speaker 13: keep everybody up right, Like, I don't I don't need
• 50:14
  Speaker 13: a wet field.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: I don't need one take advantage of it, you know,
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: like do some stuff that you know, uh, might cause
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: you problems if it was a real.
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: Game, you know.
• 50:25
  Speaker 12: Yeah, Okay, I know.
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: That's that's what Bill always said.
• 50:28
  Speaker 13: I get these are one of the things that I
• 50:30
  Speaker 13: think Bill always said that didn't actually contribute to winning.
• 50:33
  Speaker 12: Not to play the role of Paul here, but he was.
• 50:37
  Speaker 13: I think him like devising a plan to stop Marshall
• 50:39
  Speaker 13: fulk is probably why they want not because they.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Like were ready for the elements I would say too.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Though to Evan's point, way too many guys around Drake's
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: legs over the last couple of practices I didn't like.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: So where he hit his arm on the follow through
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: to pass the booty.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Too many guys around him, you know. I just that
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: you don't want to see that stuff. And as far
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: as like guys slipping in everything and fought like, let's stay,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: let's stay as far from that stuff as we cant.
• 51:05
  Speaker 13: Yeah, yesterday it was just a litany of practice injuries
• 51:09
  Speaker 13: across the NFL. Guys getting carted off. Guys, my guy
• 51:12
  Speaker 13: Chris Brazzle is going to be out for eight weeks
• 51:15
  Speaker 13: with an LCL. Shamar Stewart and Cincinnati got carted off.
• 51:19
  Speaker 12: So it's just been you know, keep everybody healthy, you know.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: Anthony says in all fairness, being six and Madden is
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: a great sign, and don't forget the best franchise and
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: owner uses Madden ratings to build this team, The Juts
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: Jets a bunch of loses in New Jersey.
• 51:35
  Speaker 8: I didn't hear that.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Oh that's fun.
• 51:38
  Speaker 13: So I asked barth if Madden, if it's all like
• 51:42
  Speaker 13: for you remember back in the day where like, if
• 51:44
  Speaker 13: you just had a ninety nine speed at wide receiver,
• 51:46
  Speaker 13: that's all that mattered. Like I remember Bethel Johnson was
• 51:49
  Speaker 13: like Randy Moss because he was just so fast, and
• 51:53
  Speaker 13: he was like, yeah kind of and I was like,
• 51:54
  Speaker 13: so that's the ranking that we're taking seriously, is the
• 51:57
  Speaker 13: one that as long as you're in ninety nine speed,
• 51:59
  Speaker 13: you're good in this game.
• 52:00
  Speaker 12: And we're taking the ranking seriously.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: Cynthia writes in so Excited, she says, Paul is right.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: People will make too much over what they see right now.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: But I'm just gonna enjoy the experience of watching them
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: get ready to do amazing things.
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: This brings me joy.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: I will be figuring out a way to use the
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: phrase smooth on the hoof a've worked today.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm gonna have to google that to
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: see if that's actually a thing. But I don't know.
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: Is that the first time you've ever used it?
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: As far as I know, Fred, I don't know. It
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: just came out. I'm like an artist, you know, I
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: don't control that. It just wo just comes out of me.
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: I think a.
• 52:35
  Speaker 13: Great Vrabel line that I like is that he always says,
• 52:38
  Speaker 13: is it interesting or is it important?
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 52:40
  Speaker 13: And I think stuff from practice this time of year
• 52:43
  Speaker 13: is interesting. I don't think it's important yet, but you
• 52:46
  Speaker 13: still make mental notes of, you know, this didn't look
• 52:49
  Speaker 13: great early on with AJ Brown and Romeo Dobs, and
• 52:52
  Speaker 13: if Romeo Dobs or AJ Brown struggle in the season,
• 52:55
  Speaker 13: then you go back and you say, it never really
• 52:57
  Speaker 13: looked right from day one, you know, So that's six
• 53:01
  Speaker 13: months from now. That's not what you're reacting to right now.
• 53:04
  Speaker 13: Right now, we're in the interesting yeah yeah, category.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: Well I remember, you know that that year that Patricia
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: took over for offensive coordinator and right away it just
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: didn't look right. It just didn't look right, and it
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: never did. It never did. So there is there is
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: something to say about even now the operation being smooth
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: or not. And you know, I would say right now it's.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: About fifty to fifty, yeah, And I think that's about
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: what you would expect here early in camp, especially the
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: first few days and they're trying to get their feet
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: under him and stuff. But Tevin's point, it's not crazy
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: to start to expect that, you know, you start to
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: string something together. But you know, I do think too,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: like to Evan's bigger point, you never come out of
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: training camp being like they had a great training camp
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: and they had a great year. It's like it's never
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: such a straight line. It's right, training camp has ups
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: and downs and stories, and really, I think the most
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: important thing is not getting hurt and not losing guys,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: but the correlation between what camp they had and all that.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: It's hard. It's hard for us to sit up here
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: and tell you unless you're in the players meetings and
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: the coaches meetings and you know what they're saying about
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: how they think the overall you know, tenor of the
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: team is unfolding. But otherwise it's it's it's tough to do,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: tough to do.
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: Carlos from the Canary Islands in Spain, Boo, Yeah, I
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: bet you those are nice.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: How is the linebacker corps looking this season or off season?
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: I've heard a lot of talk about cornerback and edge depth,
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: but it looks like we are really thin on linebackers.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: Is there anyone besides Splane that can be a confident starter.
• 54:35
  Speaker 13: I think I'm pretty confident in Ellis being a robin.
• 54:39
  Speaker 13: To splain, you know, you don't want Ellis to be
• 54:42
  Speaker 13: your primary, you know, Mike linebacker that has all that responsibility,
• 54:46
  Speaker 13: but him him being the weak side guy, him being
• 54:48
  Speaker 13: kind of the number two theres is fine by me.
• 54:51
  Speaker 13: And I think I don't know if you can grade
• 54:53
  Speaker 13: linebackers right now and or evaluate them without any real
• 54:57
  Speaker 13: hitting or tackling or anything like that.
• 54:59
  Speaker 12: I mean, that's is to you know.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Tackle and hit Pete. But I mean the closest you
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: can get of is I think it was the first
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: or second day where Ellis just kind of came out
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: and met Ramandro Stevenson with you know, what would have
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: been a thud or a tackle, but just perfect, perfect positioning.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: And I think that shows Christian Ellis's remarkable rise from
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: special teams guy to you know now it's like him
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: and his two brothers like taking the league by storm
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: with what they're doing at the second level. So you know,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: hopefully he continues to develop. I mean last year his
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: first time is like a full time from the word
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: go to the end as a starter, So you know,
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: he could be a player as the weak side guy
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: that's that's going to have some space to run around,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: to use his speed and make plays. And hopefully he
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: continues to do it. I mean, you know, again, in
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: the in the in the playoffs there, you know, getting
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: after uh what's his name, c J. Stroud, you know,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: forcing that fumble and all that. So hopefully he continues
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: to make plays. That's a big position for them.
• 55:52
  Speaker 12: I think kJ Britt's a big player there.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:55
  Speaker 12: Is he going to replace Jack Gibbons.
• 55:56
  Speaker 13: As sort of the third guy and spot starters team er,
• 56:00
  Speaker 13: you know, things like that.
• 56:01
  Speaker 12: I think it's going to be important.
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: Matt Morell did a little research.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: He said, smooth on the hoof is an idiomatic expression
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: that combines the literal concept of equine hoofcare or movement
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: with metaphorical descriptions of athletic grace, automotive refinement, or vehicle performance.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: That's what I was going for, you know, it's just
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: you know, I'll let other people try to figure out
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: my genius. Yep, yep.
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: Let's see Jeff.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: And Hickory, North Carolina calls himself the Southern Patriot.
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: All right, all right, promise you. I thought about this
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: before Mac mentioned it.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: With Ma's frame and stature, there must be some possibility
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: that he lines up opposite of Hunter Henry as a
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: tight end, just as Gronk lined up as a tight
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: end and a wide receiver slot. Could there be a
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: chance that Mac lines up in a tight end spot
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: with the wide receiver room being so out and would
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: that resolve part of the issue.
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: I think he's already done that right in the past.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Evan had a great diet travel. I'm done with this.
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: Why is that?
• 57:10
  Speaker 13: Because I keep explaining it over and over again and
• 57:13
  Speaker 13: I'm just like, I feel like a broken record.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Maybe do it again.
• 57:17
  Speaker 13: I'm not trying to be offensas like combative about it,
• 57:20
  Speaker 13: but it's just like, this is going to be the thing.
• 57:22
  Speaker 13: It's going to bother me all training camp, Like we're
• 57:25
  Speaker 13: going to get bogged down and buy the semantics of it,
• 57:27
  Speaker 13: and it is what it is. So like, if he's
• 57:29
  Speaker 13: he's lining up in spots where he's going to be
• 57:31
  Speaker 13: blocking the same bodies as he's going to be blocking
• 57:34
  Speaker 13: if he was a tight end, right, And I put
• 57:36
  Speaker 13: that in air quotes, like if he's blocking slock corners
• 57:40
  Speaker 13: and linebackers and safeties as a wide receiver, he's blocking
• 57:44
  Speaker 13: slot corners, linebackers and safeties as a tight end, that
• 57:47
  Speaker 13: we really changed his position.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Right, right? You know, it's really just the difference of
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: you would it make you feel better if he put
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: his hand in the dirt in a three point stance
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: and tried to get the edge.
• 57:56
  Speaker 13: Like he means with Thomas Brown instead of meeting with
• 58:00
  Speaker 13: Todd Downing and that.
• 58:01
  Speaker 12: Right, we just changed everything.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: But the real issue there is roster spots, you know.
• 58:06
  Speaker 13: So, but I don't think it would change in their mind,
• 58:10
  Speaker 13: like how the roster is configured, because he's gonna do
• 58:14
  Speaker 13: the same things regardless of what position room he's meeting.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: It.
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: Yes, in terms of who you keep and who you
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: don't keep.
• 58:20
  Speaker 13: Right, But I think to them, I don't think it's
• 58:22
  Speaker 13: going to make a difference because you're looking at it
• 58:24
  Speaker 13: as guys filling roles and guys that are going to
• 58:27
  Speaker 13: fit certain packages in certain situations and things like that,
• 58:31
  Speaker 13: and his responsibilities are not going to change. You know,
• 58:34
  Speaker 13: at two hundred and twenty pounds, he's not going to
• 58:36
  Speaker 13: put his hand in the dirt and block a defensive end.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: But you don't think like counting him as a tight
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: end opens up a slot for another receiver.
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: No, a slot as a slot. Okay, all right, let's see.
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: Bob or Rob is a seventy.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: One year old Vancouver Canadian fan UH and he's looking
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: for advice, maybe a book or something where he can
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: get information about the game, and the way he describes
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: it is.
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: He wants to.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: Recognize offensive and defensive lineup, especially D. But I don't
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: want a thick, highly in depth reference, but more along
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: the lines of where I can check out what I'm
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: seeing on the field as the game progresses, such as
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: Nickel dime cover two three.
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: This way I can expand my recognition. So any advice for.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: You, Yeah, take your Eye off the Ball by Pat Kerwin.
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: And I was going to say the same.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: P's a good one.
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Just how to not take your eyes like it like
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: it says, you know, take your eye off the ball,
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: watch the line at the snap and it'll tell you
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: where the ball is going to go. So I think
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: it's a good like, you know, not quite rudimentary elementary football,
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: but a little bit step step foward.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: Take your Eye off the Ball by Pat kerr When
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: you can buy it on Amazon. All right, Well, take
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: a break. When we come back, more calls and emails
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: and more practice here at Patriots Offilter.
• 59:52
  Speaker 9: Come welcome our newest restaurant additions at Patriot Place, Estella
• 59:56
  Speaker 9: brings a celebration of flavors with a modern fusion menu.
• 59:59
  Speaker 9: Exciting cock and brunch available daily beginning at eleven am.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 9: Enjoy freshly brewed coffee and Mediterranean inspired breakfast and lunch
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 9: from Angels Cafe. Craving the classics. Chick fil A makes.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: It easy to grab your favorite with.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 9: Mobile through carry out and dine in options. Download the
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 9: Patriot Place Advantage app for special offers and to earn
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 9: rewards every time you visit a Patriot Place shop dine.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 10: Enjoy the heaviest metal credit card of all time, wielded
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 10: at business dinners like a samurai sword. It's a classic
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 10: corporate power move, but the real power move. Having end
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 10: to end visibility on your most critical shipments FedEx the
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 10: new power move.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Whether you're in the game or betting on the game,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: you'll need a game plan. DraftKings Sportsbook, the official sports
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: betting partner of the New England Patriots, provides you with
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: everything you need to build your personal betting game plan
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: so you can get in on all the action while
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: practicing safe bets. Visit DraftKings dot com Slash Responsible dash
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: Gaming to learn more about all the safe betting tools
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: Kings has to offer hope is here eight hundred and
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: three two seven fifty to fifty or gambling Helplinema dot
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: org must be twenty one plus. Play it smart from
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: the start game.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 14: Sincema dot com physically president Massachusetts, see DraftKings dot com
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 14: slash Responsible dash Gaming for details and statespecific responsible gambling resources.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 11: There's enough needless nonsense in the world already. Your phone
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 11: plan shouldn't add to it. Verizon's new Simplicity Plan cuts
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 11: down on the nonsense in your life. Now there's just
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 11: one plan, one price, thirty dollars a line per month,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 11: even for a single line, and everyone gets our best
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 11: five unit work. It's a phone plan designed to do
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 11: exactly what a phone plan is supposed to do. Isn't
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 11: that a lot simpler? Switch today at Barizon dot Com
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 11: or at your nearest store for new customers. Thirty dollars
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 11: per line includes autopayan switch discount, additional taxes fees in
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 11: terms apply. Unlimited data is retricted to on devicemrphon usage
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 11: domesive data roaming at twod speeds.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: Live from Patriots Training Camp. This is Patriots Unfiltered, presented
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: by Toyota dot.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Com all right, we are back here Patriots Unfiltered, our
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: special live coverage of the first full day of pads
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: for the Patriots, and as you can see, well at
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: little running there from Drake May under the supervision of
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: The team's getting ready to, you know, get into seven
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: on seven's and eleven's on eleven's and so.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: It's almost a one of the milestones of training camp,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: the first day of pads. There's league rules. Every team
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: has to follow them.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: You can't go into pads until a certain amount of
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: practices are under your belt. And then once you get
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: into pads, you can only have a certain amount of
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: padded practices, especially.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: During the season.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know which you know, say what you want
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: about it. It's different than how me and Paul used
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: to grow up, right, It's a good stretch for both
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: of them, and when with double sessions, both of them
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: in pads. Hot days at Bryant College.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the joint practices are the best, but the next
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: week or so there'll be a lot of padded practices.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Good opportunity. Unfortunately, the weather doing look great either, so
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: it'd be nice to get a hot day. I think
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: that'd be the next part the world. You have the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: extended for a little bit extended forecast, you know, thanks
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: to our friends over there at the Weather Channel. But
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: we'll see how it plays out. I mean today you
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: thought it was going to get rained out and now
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: it looks fine.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: But now this is a great take, especially once the
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: pads come on. Those first three days of practice and
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: a walk through, those are becoming thes We established the
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: kind of routine now under Mike Rabel. You're excited to
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: be there the first day, but you want to get
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: the pads, you want to get the joint practices, you
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: want to get the preseason, and then you're gonna want
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: to get to the regular season. So this is a
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: good next step to take.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: Yep, see Josh McDaniel's over there. So what do you
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: think this drill is that they're they're doing. It's just
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: sort of when things break down, kind of running through
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: the gauntlet.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 15: I got to fully, I was tweeting it security in
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 15: the pocket, you know, and it's sort of moving around, yeah,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 15: to off playform play extension, you know, scramble drill, play extension,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 15: that type of stuff.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 13: Like, so you see where Josh is like running at
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 13: him from certain angles. That's trying to simulate Oh if
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 13: it blitz off this side or that side, or up
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 13: the middle or whatever, you know, where are you're going
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 13: and do that sort of thing. So that Drake Mays
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 13: pro day, it was one of it was really unique.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 13: I'd never seen that before where guys were literally running
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 13: full speed at him like they were blitzing him. And
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 13: then he was like, you know, coming out of the
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 13: back of the pocket, and so you could show off
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 13: the mobility and the play extension and stuff like that.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 13: It was like they were trying to like simulate a
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 13: pass rush. It was pretty cool.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: Blond it if he got it, because he sure got it.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 12: He sure does.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: So we've been talking about this during the off season.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: Will they incorporate more design runs for Drake May this year?
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 12: Hi?
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: What do you think?
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: No inside the red zone and it's the same thing
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: we talked about last year. I think it's a good
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: change up. They used it against the Broncos in that
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: situation where you can get Drake to just walk in
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: the end zone and drip the ball down. Great, but
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: middle of the field running you know what they do
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: with Lamar Jackson. I don't I don't really see that.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: It's too dangerous to me, and he's too good throwing
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: the ball, especially downfield, like let him. I'd much rather
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: let him take shots down the field and you know,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: try to dial up something or make them run through
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: and run through the line get tackled, and you know,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: I don't want to get banged up.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 13: Yeah, situationally, third and one fourth and one goal line
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 13: plays red zone like we saw against Buffalo, like we
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 13: saw against Denver. I think that can be really helpful.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 13: But I don't necessarily see him as like a great
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 13: designed runner like Lamar Jackson you mentioned, you know, Lamar,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 13: I don't really I think he's a scrambler, like I
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 13: think he's a play extender. I think he's a scrambler.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 13: I think he's great, great scrambler, but I don't know
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 13: if he's necessarily that dynamic, you know, by design kind
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 13: of runner. So I don't anticipate seeing it a ton more.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 13: But I think they could maybe dip their toe in
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 13: it a little bit more situationally and give you that
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 13: extra guy and put the defense in set of numbers
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 13: disadvantage by incorporating his legs.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: Well, I certainly hope they're telling him don't run, you know,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: because when when you do have that quarterback threat to run,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: it really, you know, gives the advantage to the offense,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: and when and when you're successful doing it, it's so
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: deflating for a defense.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: You know, everybody covered and then your quarterback runs. For
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: the first thing, I don't think.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 13: They're stopping him from running in the drop back game
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 13: at all. I just think the question is is by
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 13: design is there going to be more runs or not
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 13: in the in the on the menu.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: Option option runs.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 13: Yes, Like you know, the point of this play is
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 13: the quarterback could run the ball. Now, when you drop
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 13: back and pass and scramble, that's not running by design.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 13: So I I think that that's the scrambling element that
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 13: I think has to be in his repertoire.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: Okay, a'l Varrow from Spain, a couple of Spain emails
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: wants to ask a ball related question.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: So I guess Evan's the only one that can't answer.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: That the show.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: What do you think Occas's role will be in the defense.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: Do you see him as an on ball standing outside
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: linebacker or is there a chance we might see him
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: in a Toby twenty twenty five role more like a
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: base off ball third linebacker the first one.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 13: Yeah, he's to me, he's a peer on the ballplayer
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 13: and stand up edge rusher most likely probably could put
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 13: his hand in the dirt if they want to run
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 13: some of those you know, four man fronts that they do.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 13: But he's he's an on the ball player. I didn't
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 13: really see him play a ton off the ball. He's
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 13: pretty big dude to be playing out in space like that,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 13: I don't anticipate that.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 12: So, no, he's going to be on the line. See ball,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 12: get ball, you know, go after.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: I drop him out from time to time. You know,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: I think that's a little bit of a change up
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: for them. But yeah, Evan's right. I think that's you know,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: what you see from from pondering those guys. They like
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: some versatility in them, some ability to drop out at
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: times when they're you know, trying to disguise blitzes and
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: send guys from the other side and that kind of thing.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: But I think he's a great fit for you know
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: what they did last year on defense, see how he
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: fits him with everybody else. I just you know, I
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: love his motor and that's the thing that I think
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: this defense. You know, I'm expecting when he gets out here,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: he's going to you know, make some noise with how
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: he plays.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: All right, Liam and Suffolk has a question wants to know,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: are there any ud fas that could make the roster
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: and if so, who are you looking at?
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: And why?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 12: Tanna Acken.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the top one.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 13: Yeah, Tanna Ark. And I'm excited to see him in pads.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 13: He's been really involved and he's going to make the
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 13: team as a blocker, so you know, you got to
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 13: see him progress this time of year. But I think
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 13: that that's a guy that right now I would have
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 13: him on a fifty three man roster projection for sure.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 13: I don't know who unless they want to go two
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 13: tight ends, I guess maybe with with Gilliam as the
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 13: full back. But if they're going to keep three, you know,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 13: traditional tight ends, I think Arkin is on the team
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 13: right now.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I keep an eye on Kyle Dixon. He hasn't
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: you know, done much here. He was pretty active though
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: in rookie mini camp, and I just I like him.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: He's a bigger player. I think I don't think he's
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: going to make the team per se, but I think
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: he could have in side track to be at least
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: start out on the practice squad and be, you know,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: that practice squad player, kind of like John Giles was
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: the last couple of years, where you need someone on
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: your roster who's big bodied and can kind of play
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: a part. I know that's probably not what people are
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: looking for. They want to see somebodyho's actually going to make
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: the team, but he could be a developmental guy down
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: the road that maybe he does eventually end up on
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: the roster.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 6: Sometimes and I just look at I think Arkan's the
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 6: guy who, in terms of the reps with who he's
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 6: playing with is I think he's ticketed for the roster.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 6: But I would look at linebackers just in general. I
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 6: don't know that I would pick one out yet because
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 6: I haven't necessarily seen, you know, a lot of reps
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 6: with guys other than you know, the Spallane and Ellis group.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: I haven't really seen a lot of guys rotating in
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: and out.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 6: But there's there's a you know, with probably a room
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 6: on the roster for a guy, and maybe one of
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 6: the undrafted guys gets it. But Tanner Arkin, I think
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 6: is the probably the answer to the question.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: You mentioning big bodies before Duce, What do you think
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: of Vita Vea?
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I like him. I mean I think
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: he would definitely be a fit here. I just you know,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: with the Gonzalez contract situation and then he's going to
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: want a new contract and you're gonna have to pay
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Drake may too. I mean, no question he would fit
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: on this team. And you know, he's a good veteran
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: presence and all that kind of stuff. I mean, you're
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: kind of near the end, but I'm guessing he wants
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: another big deal while he can still get it. I
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: just don't know if the Patriots had the bandwidth right
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: now with what they have to make another big investment
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: along the defensive line when you know, really it's Barmore
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: and Milton Williams that are that are going to be
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: the straws during the drink.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: So there is Christian Gonzales and looks like he's in pads.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure it does.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: So the question is once they get into seven and
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: seven eleven eleven, will he be a full participant?
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, real quick, just to point it out,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: the guy's got k ron Prunty right there next to
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: him and He's a guy that you know is buried
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: on the depth chart a corner, but you can see
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: in between the pie, you know, between the upright there,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: you see he's got good size, like like Gonzalez does.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: And that's something to me that just kind of stands
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: out with the rookie. Another guy that you know, as
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: you have Carlton Davis out to other guys, Kendall Viildor,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: he's going to get some opportunities. I would guess we'll
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: keep an eye on proNT to see if he makes
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: any kind of a push.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: But it is good to see Gonzales out there.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, for sure, sorry to hijack your your
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: thing there and talk about the instead of the star
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: cornerback the last pick of the draft.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: That's okay, That's that's why we're special.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: That's you know, we are special. I do like nd.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 12: I like the the body type.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 13: You know, he's big, he's long, Scott Liking ridiculously long
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 13: arms for a cornerback, and you can see it, you know,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 13: the on ball production in college, so you know, maybe
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 13: they there's something there to develop. I mean, I don't
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 13: know if it will be this year that he's going
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 13: to contribute maybe in a special teams role, but as
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 13: a guy that that they could develop either on the
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 13: practice squad or the fifty three.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Yep, well it's those those late round cornerbacks like you know.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: He also right there have Kobe Minor and Marcellus Dial,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: who's more of a slot guy. Uh. You know, at
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: some point you take these on these late round day
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: three picks. You hope that that one of these guys
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: maybe develops into you know, at least a special teams player.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: You know, you'll take that even if they're not going
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: to contribute on defense.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: Norman Daytona Beach has a non football question, any idea
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: how many dogs were adopted from the opening day of
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: training camp dozen? My wife and I didn't already have four,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: we would have seriously considered taking a trip to rescue one.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: Truly heartbreaking to see dogs without homes. Thanks to the
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: Patriots organization for doing this. At last count I heard
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: this a few days ago.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: They were over thirty, so I think they have between
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: fifty and sixty here, So I mean cheap is yeah,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: that's crazy though to think about an event thirty dogs
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: to get adopted, like you know, but now great stuff,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: and I'm sure, we'll continue to.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: I know, if I don't already have one, I would
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: have taken one.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have your eye on one. Where is your dog?
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: Get jealous?
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: Those little pities?
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Oh they're cute.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so Paul Poplars dog.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: Paul.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 12: Paul was close to adopting what he was.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: He was considering it.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: Paul got bitten when he was a kid, and he
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: doesn't like dogs.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 12: I got bit when I was a kid too, and
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 12: I started.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: I saw my sister get bitten in the face. It
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: was a little different. It's a little bit more traumatic.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: And if it was made that's bad. Yeah. Well, you know,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: if you don't get making light of it though, no problem.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: If you don't get bitten as a kid, you're not
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: gonna get bit. What's it? What's the quote?
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 13: Yes, yeah, they don't bite his puppies. They won't fight
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 13: it as dogs.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 6: Oh right, right, So we got some contact going Freddie.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa? Who's that battle in fifty one? James, James,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: you're gonna need a little help. Boom. Who's fifty one
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: on defense? Fifty one on def Oh that's the new guy,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: that's Riley Wilson.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: Wow, fifty one and fifty one love it?
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like it. Fifty one on fifty one
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: crime Jami Swadson. Yeah, there's Terrell Williams. Of course to
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: look in the news. What is the associate head coach?
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: I think is that? What is it? What was the
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: exact role assistant head coach? The defensive coordinators at herr
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: out there He's gonna work Terrell.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 13: Williams a lot with the defensive line. You see him
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 13: with the defensive spot, right yeah. I you know, there's
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 13: maybe some administrative stuff that very Able mentioned that he
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 13: would take on.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 12: But this is his specialty right here, is working.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: With the I'm talking about specially. I mean, this is
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: like verybel just he loves this stuff. Man, he loves
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: tangling with these guys getting in. I mean, that's some
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: thing I think that surprised me most about Mike Rabel
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: is just he seems to have a hand in everything.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: And you know, I just I was trying not to
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: make assumptions, but a defensive guy, you thought I'd be
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: around the linebackers a lot. But you know, in his
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: time as a coach in Ohio State and Houston, uh,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: you know, in Tennessee. It seems like he's really developed
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: into a well rounded coach who can coach all positions.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: And I'm really interested about that journey for him, Like
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: because as a player, I would say, you know, you
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: might feel comfortable coaching the position you played. Everybody praised
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: Mike Brabel for his just overall football intelligence, But how
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: do you get to the point where you have confidence
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: to go to an offensive lineman and talk to them
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: about their SATs or their hand placement. You know, how
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: do you have the confidence to go, you know, to
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: a running back and talk about, you know, picking the
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: hole and all that kind of stuff. It's just really interesting.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: Great head coaches know the whole game inside and out,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: and I think that, you know, inspires confidence in their
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: players that they know what they're talking about.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: I was talking to somebody who's been with five different teams,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: numerous head coaches, and he said that he thinks Rabel
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: is the most versatile, well rounded head coach he's ever been.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and that doesn't really surprise me because of how
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 6: he was as a player. I mean, he played extensively
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 6: at multiple positions. He played, he played all different kinds
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 6: of linebacker, He used to play safety on a regular
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 6: basis in practice to torment Tom Braid, he played obviously
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 6: tight end, you know, in a very design you know,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 6: specific design role. So the football part has What has
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 6: really surprised me about Mike rabel Is. I thought he
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 6: would be like what you just saw, like hands on guy.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 6: He's gonna show technique, he's going to be a player.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 6: He's going to come at it from a player's perspective,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 6: and he's going to have that physicality in that MINDSETL.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's really administrative.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 6: Yes, I think that he's the CEO type and I
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 6: did not expect that from my greeable. Even even watching
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 6: him in Tennessee, you don't get to see that on
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 6: a daily basis. I've been very surprised with how similar
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 6: he is to Belichick in that he is the head
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 6: of the football operation. He is the CEO of football,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 6: and I wouldn't have necessarily pegged him for that.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: As a player.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, you talk about just versatility and well rounded
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: and I you know, I always tell the story after
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: the two thousand and three Super Bowl and we were
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: putting together three games to glory and we sat him
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: down in front of a monitor and.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 5: He started giving us editing opinions, why did you do this?
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: We should do that? And like.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: He's got a well rounded mind, I think, and it's
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: perfe for being a head coach in the NFL because
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: it's not just about the x's and o's. It's about
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: when the buses are coming, when should the plane, league,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: what hotels were staying at. I'm not saying he makes
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: all those decisions, but he's got to handle it and
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: he's got an opinion on it.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 13: I think that's one thing Fred that surprises people that
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 13: are on the outside looking in about NFL head coaching
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 13: is how much non football there really is that goes
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 13: into that job, even press conferences, in dealing with the media,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 13: you know, but all the logistical things that you talked about,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 13: Like there's so much of that that like sometimes the
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 13: football is the easy part, like once they actually get
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 13: to go talk and get back into football. But I
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 13: think what surprised me the most about him is I
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 13: thought I knew he would be able to like be
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 13: a ra ra guy, and I knew he would be
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 13: able to rally the troops and give great speeches and
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 13: you know, lead the room and conduct the room. But
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 13: his football chops and his football acumen is you know,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 13: I think it's better than a guy like like Dan Campbell.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 13: Like I think Dan Campbell is what I'm described, And
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 13: I think they have such a perfect set up with
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 13: him and Josh McDaniels that McDaniels probably isn't going anywhere
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 13: anytime soon, and so they don't have to worry about
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 13: the play caller and the OC and that sort of thing.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 13: So you can hire a coach that has that CEO
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 13: ability and not worry about the offense.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: It's kind of it's kind of fun too. In the
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: press conferences, he doesn't give you much, but he gives
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: you a little more than you got from Bill or
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: you know, or Drop May or even you know, those
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: kind of things. It shows, especially you know, Taylor questions
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: are those kind of things where you know, he gives
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: you enough to know that he knows a little bit
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: about everything and whether or not.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 12: It's true, at least he.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: Tries to show that he respects the people's.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: Jobs that are asking the question, right, you know, and
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: like whether or not he likes them or not, that's
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: not the question.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 5: That's not what I'm talking about.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: I think he understands their job and he respects that
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: and he may not always like what they're asking or whatever,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: but that comes through that he respects the people on
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: the other side.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: You knew players of course, you know, respect Bill Belichick's
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: football knowledge. But you know, it's one thing to have
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: the football knowledge. But when you stand up there and
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: I know very Abel probably does this and say, you know,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: I played in the Super Bowls, I had touchdown catches
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: I had said. You know, he has been there and
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: done everything there is to do, you know, in the
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: NFL on an NFL football field, and you know, to
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: capture the players, you know, respect. It just seems like
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: such a natural progression for him. It's it's it's been
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: really good. I'm excited to see what year two of
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: this program looks like because you hear a lot of
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: the same points. You know, he's kind of hitting on
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: the same points, and that to me, you know, establishes
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: he knows exactly what he wants the message to be.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: You know, in training camp, earn a role, build a team.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: You know though those all those boxes that they're trying
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: to check, and it's it's it's coming together. Well, the
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: proof was in the putting last.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: Just the running back tandem for the New England Patriots,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: Stevenson and Henderson, they're.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 12: They're just there is a list.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 13: Yesterday, Ted Winn pulled a bunch of defensive coaches, defensive coordinators,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 13: head coaches on the best offensive architects, play callers in
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 13: the league. And Josh McDaniels was eighth, but he was
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 13: the top OC, not head coach, play caller. So my guy,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 13: Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, Matt Lafleur, guys like that. Ben Johnson,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 13: Josh was eighth, and I just think the tandem together
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 13: of him and Rabel is just it's one of the
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 13: best coaching like batteries that you could have in the NFL,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 13: because you you have an OC that is really the
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 13: head coach of the offense, and you have some stability
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 13: there year to year that he's going to keep coming back,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 13: and you let Rabel kind of do Rabel things. You know,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 13: I would I wanted Ben Johnson a little bit because
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 13: I wanted a guy to be with Drake May for
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 13: the next ten years as his OCR and his play caller.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 13: But they kind of got there in a roundabout way,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 13: and now it really.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: Makes the world of sense.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 13: So you know, I thought it was telling that that
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 13: Josh McDaniels was the top oc on that list.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: All right, well, we're coming to the end of the show.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: We're coming to the end of where we can film practice,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: so I want to thank everyone for watching today, hanging
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: with us.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: Just some administrative stuff.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: The next time we are talking to you will be Tuesday,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: one o'clock on our regularly well training can't regularly scheduled
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: Patriots unfiltered, And then on Thursday we'll be live again.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 5: Right, Is that the joint practice.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: No, no, that's not till next Tuesday. So yeah, we'll
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: be a week from Tuesday. Will be the joint practice
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: against the week from this.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: Tuesday, Next Tuesday. Yeah, we're all right. Both shows next
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: week are one to three, okay, next week one to three.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Then we'll have the camp cast after each one
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: of these, so be sure you know, the good stuff
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: is just about to get started. So we're sorry to
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: leave you now, but we'll be right back, you know,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: shortly after practice with a full recap of all the
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: good stuff we're about to see.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: All right, So for everyone on the on the crew
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: and behind the scenes, thank you for watching.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 5: We'll talk to you on Tuesday.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: Hey, this is Duce. Thanks for tuning into the show.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: If you really want to help us, make sure you
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: like us wherever you get your podcasts, like Apple Podcasts
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: or Spotify. Also make sure you follow us on the
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: New England Patriots YouTube channel to see this show and.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 5: Everything else that we do here at the Patriots.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: Thanks a lot,