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NFL Offseason Questions · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast presented by bet three
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Speaker 1: we begin the first of our many NFL offseason episodes.
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Speaker 1: I am Chad Millman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network. Listen.
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Speaker 1: As much as we love all the sports, we've made
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Speaker 1: a decision that The Favorites is primarily going to be
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Speaker 1: an NFL podcast because the truth is, the NFL does
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Speaker 1: not stop the opportunities to bet on. The NFL do
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Speaker 1: not stop free agency in less than a month, a
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Speaker 1: generational draft that could have Mahomes like repercussions for some
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Speaker 1: of the most popular franchises in all of sports, including
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Speaker 1: the Bears and the Patriots. So we will dip into
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Speaker 1: off over the next few months. We will dip into
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Speaker 1: March Madness, the Masters in April. Get ready for continued
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Speaker 1: NFL coverage and how to take advantage of what we
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Speaker 1: are seeing, including today. Before we get to any of that,
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Speaker 1: let's bring in my co host, may it Bff, my
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Speaker 1: companion Mike and Padre professional better Simon on Heato.
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Speaker 2: So I'm in, Hello, Chat. I am so jealous that
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Speaker 2: you were busy this weekend. I was stuck at home
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Speaker 2: with my thoughts and questioning life. I mean, how does
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Speaker 2: anyone live life without football? It's crazy, Like when you
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Speaker 2: have a free Sunday, I just can't believe we have
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Speaker 2: like twenty three, twenty four weeks of just our sundays
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Speaker 2: are filled other people, normal people, They go about their
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Speaker 2: daily lives chat. It blows my mind. So yeah, I
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Speaker 2: was jealous you're out and about traveling. I was like
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Speaker 2: thinking to myself, I need to get a kid. I
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Speaker 2: need to get something to keep me busy in the offseason.
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Speaker 2: But I think I'm gona end up getting a cat instead.
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Speaker 1: Well, a cat you can't really take to the games.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say, but it's true. I was out
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Speaker 1: and about this week and I went to Indy for
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Speaker 1: All Star weekend, which is always I know, like a
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Speaker 1: lot of people. You saw Charles Barkley and people complaining
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Speaker 1: about the cold of Indianapolis, and it was it was
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Speaker 1: brutally cold, Like I was walking. My hotel was seven
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Speaker 1: minutes from Lucas Oil where the skills were the Skills
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Speaker 1: and the three point Contest and Doug Contests and Stephan
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Speaker 1: Sabrina was on Saturday night. It was nightmares walking back.
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Speaker 1: It was three degrees with the wind chill walking back,
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Speaker 1: so that was no fun. And then on Sunday I
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Speaker 1: went to the IU game. I took my us mentioned kids.
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Speaker 1: I took my sixteen, my seventeen year old son who's
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Speaker 1: looking at colleges. We went down to IU, hung out
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Speaker 1: at Nick's a lunch. Nix is like the bar in
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Speaker 1: Bloomington to hang out at, and then went to the game,
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Speaker 1: race back to Indie, went to All Star Race, back
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Speaker 1: to Womington. The next morning, went to a tour of IU.
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Speaker 1: Great campus. Obviously I'm an alumni, so I'm partial, but
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Speaker 1: it's a just an idyllic place to go to college.
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Speaker 1: Of course, all that is happening. We're in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the tour. We're looking at the Media School, which
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Speaker 1: is amazing the work they're doing there. Everybody who's in
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Speaker 1: media and wants to study media should go to Indiana
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Speaker 1: University for that media school. It's great. But my kid
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Speaker 1: shows me post that Justin Fields has stopped following Chicago
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Speaker 1: Bears on Instagram. He started following, or if he was following,
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Speaker 1: I'm not just quite sure. But instead it highlighted this
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Speaker 1: was a tweet that I saw in action highlighted that
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Speaker 1: he is following Jean Robinson, Kyle Pitts, Drake London. We
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Speaker 1: will discuss how sort of the social media drama the
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Speaker 1: follows and unfollows is influencing the odds for where Fields
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Speaker 1: will land. But there's no better storyline than the star
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Speaker 1: player no longer following the team that he is playing for,
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Speaker 1: because don't forget Simon. Didn't Lamar Jackson do that when
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Speaker 1: he was in the middle of his negotiations with the Ravens.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do think it's a generational thing. Though.
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Speaker 2: It is a bigger deal than I wish we could
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Speaker 2: joke about that. It wasn't, but it is a big
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Speaker 2: deal because you're basically saying I'm done with this, and
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Speaker 2: I think Lamar did it just what you said. He
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Speaker 2: was like pretty much trying to say the Ravens like,
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Speaker 2: I can move on, deleet you guys for my life,
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Speaker 2: just as you are trying to get rid of me
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Speaker 2: and with Fields. It's awesome that he wants to go
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Speaker 2: to Atlanta, but we know he has zero power. I mean,
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Speaker 2: he could be in Pittsburgh tomorrow for all we know.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, this is the time of year. Yeah, it's
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Speaker 2: just dumb rumors, right, We joke all the time. This
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Speaker 2: is the time here, Like, especially if you're someone who
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Speaker 2: makes your living off football and clicks. The clicks in
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Speaker 2: football is gone, right, so they're gonna need to conjure
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Speaker 2: things up. I Mean, the dumbest thing I saw, no
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Speaker 2: doubt was will the forty nine ers move on from
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Speaker 2: Purdy to get Kirk Cousins because of the relationship of
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Speaker 2: Shanahan with Kirk Cousins. And it's like Kirk Cousins lost
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Speaker 2: to Daniel Jones in the playoffs, perty just brought their
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Speaker 2: team to the super Bowl in his first year as
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Speaker 2: a full time starter. So it's just that's the bs
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Speaker 2: we'll be dealing with. But the field stuff, mean, you
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Speaker 2: talked about it like I bet Atlanta's Super Bowl future
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Speaker 2: because I'm hoping they get Fields or Kirk Cousins, Like
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Speaker 2: it's it is a bet I made just because I'm
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Speaker 2: hoping for that kind of future in a weak division.
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Speaker 2: So if you're Atlanta fan, i'd be pretty psyched up,
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Speaker 2: like the dream would be.
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Speaker 1: Getting hold on, hold on, don't go too deep yet.
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Speaker 1: That's just we're just giving a tease. We're not going
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Speaker 1: into the whole thing yet, So let's just give him
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Speaker 1: a teas. We're going to talk more about the Bears.
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Speaker 1: We want to talk about the Eagles. We're going to
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Speaker 1: talk about where is Justin Field's gonna go. We're going
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Speaker 1: to talk about like why people all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: start there. The Bearers have basically eliminated every player who
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Speaker 1: was on the team from twenty nineteen or earlier. A
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Speaker 1: Jackson safety, last remaining player of that group, he was cut.
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Speaker 1: This week we have the news about Justin Fields the
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Speaker 1: following the unfollowing that one move move the line from
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Speaker 1: Justin Fields to take his first snap in the twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty five NFL season with the Atlanta
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Speaker 1: Falcons from plus two seventy five to plus one fifty
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Speaker 1: almost makes me feel like, go bet the Raiders or
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Speaker 1: the Steelers.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, here's going to a better number. Yeah. I would
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Speaker 2: be shocked though if the Steelers did make that move,
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Speaker 2: just because the more I've read, it just seems like
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Speaker 2: the asking price is going to be too much from
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Speaker 2: the Bears where Atlanta had as the regret right, Atlanta
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Speaker 2: passed on him for a tight end. And we joked
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Speaker 2: even at that drive and go back and listen to
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Speaker 2: our shows, we couldn't get to know how dumb of
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Speaker 2: a pick that was, and it was just bizarre where
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Speaker 2: they're like, you know what, we're gonna run it back
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Speaker 2: another year. We don't want to disrespect Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan,
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Speaker 2: and it's like, it's just a weird time to look
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Speaker 2: back on those days. That the reason they didn't take
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Speaker 2: Justin Field. So yeah, me and you talked about it.
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Speaker 2: It's like we love we love the odds of them,
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Speaker 2: So that is a move they could make.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that interesting you look back on these things, the
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Speaker 1: decisions made about personnel. Jimmy Johnson was brilliant at this.
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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick was brilliant at this except for except for
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Speaker 1: Tom Brady, the ability to move on unsentimentally, unemotionally from
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Speaker 1: players and decide, this is what's going to be the
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Speaker 1: best for our team, even the Packers with Jordan Love
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Speaker 1: and Brett farre like crazy. There is Cole calculating NFL math,
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Speaker 1: and then there are people who can't make those decisions
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Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons. The Falcons were one of
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Speaker 1: those with Justin Fields. I wonder how Justin Fields would
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Speaker 1: have developed if he was chosen by the Falcons and
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Speaker 1: Arthur Smith is his coach with that offense over the
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Speaker 1: past three years.
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Speaker 2: Definitely would have a playoff game under his belt, right.
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Speaker 2: And again it's not we're not here to shoot on
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Speaker 2: the Bears, but I feel like the biggest talk, especially
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Speaker 2: around the Super Bowl, what if the Bears had the
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Speaker 2: scouting and the foresight to see taking Mahomes. I think
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Speaker 2: we can all agree Chad that Mahomes still wouldn't have
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Speaker 2: this type of career. It would all be so different
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Speaker 2: where it is all about where you land and with
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Speaker 2: the head coach you land in the stability. Again, we
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Speaker 2: all respect Matt Naggi. He was a bad head coach.
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Speaker 2: I think we all agree he was not a good
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Speaker 2: head coach. And the position he's in now right helping
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Speaker 2: out the Chiefs, that's where he should be in those
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Speaker 2: type of positions. And it's just a lot of that
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Speaker 2: where it's like it is all about the coaching and
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Speaker 2: the teams that get drafted to and that's you know,
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Speaker 2: that's the domino effect of all these things. So with
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Speaker 2: Justin Fields, I still have that thing in the back
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Speaker 2: of my head of he still isn't consistent, right, and
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Speaker 2: I don't know if that would have been fixed with Arthur.
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Speaker 2: But I definitely think we can both agree their offense
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Speaker 2: would have been built around him better than it was
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Speaker 2: for the Bears, Like the Bears never had the players
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Speaker 2: or the offensive around him. I mean his first year
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Speaker 2: with DJ Moore, Dj Moore had a career high in receptions,
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Speaker 2: yards and touchdowns. So like, clearly that's a thing where
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Speaker 2: justin fields, you get in the talent, He'll get the
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Speaker 2: ball to the talent. Like that's that sounds like it's
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Speaker 2: not saying much to two people. That's a big deal.
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Speaker 2: Like I mean, go look at Desmond Redder's tape from
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Speaker 2: last year in Atlanta. He could not get a star
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Speaker 2: players the ball. So if I am Atlanta Falcon fan,
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Speaker 2: I mean I love Kirk, but justin field ceiling is
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Speaker 2: so much higher. It's how do you not want this kid?
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Speaker 2: It's like that that would be insane too playing indoors
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Speaker 2: with him, Like it's all right there. So yeah, it's
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Speaker 2: if you want to go bet that, like Chad said,
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Speaker 2: you can. I feel like the value shipped too much
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Speaker 2: where I I'd rather would take Pittsburgh and put any
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Speaker 2: money on a lane at this point.
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Speaker 1: Although plus one fifty you're still getting plus money on
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Speaker 1: him too.
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Speaker 2: That's the when we sit to move, that's the scary part,
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Speaker 2: you're I.
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Speaker 1: Mean, but that's isn't that the world we live in? Right?
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Speaker 2: True?
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Speaker 1: There's an unfollow if you're still if it was plus
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Speaker 1: one hundred, you know, as as we were getting closer,
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Speaker 1: I'd say, don't don't play it, but a plus one fifty, like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're not getting the best of the number, but you
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Speaker 1: still might get really good value. To me if you're
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Speaker 1: not getting it at anything less than plus one hundred,
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Speaker 1: even money, because it does feel like it's setting up
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Speaker 1: to be a real good landing spot. People have been
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Speaker 1: saying that for years, right, so let's see if this
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Speaker 1: actually comes to fruition for the Bears. It makes things
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Speaker 1: so much more interesting. More and more, it is looking
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Speaker 1: like Caleb Williams will be the guy there, and you
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Speaker 1: are basically banking that Kayleb Williams is going to be
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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, that he's going to come in, he's going
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Speaker 1: to have DJ Moore, he's going to have a vastly
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Speaker 1: improved defense. You're hoping that he gets rid of the
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Speaker 1: bad habits, the sort of hero ball habits. Have you
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Speaker 1: been watching film have you been trying to gather intel
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Speaker 1: on Kayleb Williams. What's your latest sort of feeling on him.
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Speaker 2: So I haven't had all the quarterbacks I hit the
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Speaker 2: Michigan kid yet, but I've done Daniels, I've done Drake May,
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Speaker 2: and I've done Williams obviously, And yeah, I would say
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Speaker 2: the thing people need to separate is they're comparing Williams
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Speaker 2: to the prospect that Mahomes was in college. And I
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Speaker 2: don't think enough people are making distinction where they're like
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Speaker 2: they think people are comparing him to Mahomes and the Pros.
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Speaker 2: It's not like I want people to really drill into
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Speaker 2: their head where we're comparing him to what Mahomes was
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Speaker 2: in collegen. If you don't know this, Mahomes had a
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Speaker 2: lot of really bad habits in college. Like there was
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Speaker 2: a bunch of reasons why he was not a unanimous
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Speaker 2: number one or even a top three pick, which I know,
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Speaker 2: looking back it looks really stupid. But again, the Chiefs
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Speaker 2: had the foresight to take him over Deshaun Watson, which
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Speaker 2: I do think is such a crazy thing looking back
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Speaker 2: on that they had the idea that it's like, no,
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Speaker 2: this is the guy that's better than the Heisman, National
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Speaker 2: champ winner. But yeah, it's Williams again. You have to
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Speaker 2: take him if you're a Bear's team, like going through
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Speaker 2: all of it, that is the guy like the Mahomes
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Speaker 2: pulling the ball down and making magic with his feet,
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Speaker 2: either moving in the pocket and passing or running outside
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Speaker 2: the pocket. That's where Williams is the clone of him,
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Speaker 2: where he has this incredible pocket awareness, this cool comic collectiveness,
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Speaker 2: and he's smart as hell, Like Kingsbury was throwing some
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Speaker 2: crazy ass offensive stuff at him and he was running
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Speaker 2: it no problem. So I look at this now with
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Speaker 2: the Bear team. We even talked about it months ago
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Speaker 2: where the Math all the Math nerds were gonna tell
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Speaker 2: them they had to draft. Even if Williams wasn't the
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Speaker 2: next Mahomes, you kind of have to move on from
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Speaker 2: fields to him just because of the way the money
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Speaker 2: works in the NFL nowadays. But the biggest thing is
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Speaker 2: the fact that you guys also have picked nine. So
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Speaker 2: the fact that you can get him and a class
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Speaker 2: that has three receivers like again, Marvin Harris Junior is
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Speaker 2: a one, but the two guys right below him are
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Speaker 2: right there, like you're gonna be able to get him with
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Speaker 2: a stud number one receiver or offensive lineman. That's how
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Speaker 2: you build out a winning franchise. And we saw the
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Speaker 2: kind of a little bit of a blueprint last year
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Speaker 2: where I knocked Houston for it that they traded their
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Speaker 2: first round pick for a DN, but they obviously worked
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Speaker 2: out they got the defensive rookie of the year and
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Speaker 2: the offensive rookie year. So that's the thing, right, Like
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Speaker 2: you're trying to put building blocks here, and the dream
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Speaker 2: is obviously for you, Chad, where it's like you want
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Speaker 2: to be a year early, Like even if they limp
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Speaker 2: into the playoffs at eight to nine or nine to eight,
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Speaker 2: that would be the dream scenario of drafting wimbs in
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Speaker 2: this team. But I would say between the Bears track record,
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Speaker 2: like their history of drafting these quarterbacks, it's gonna come
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Speaker 2: down to coaching, like Williams has the talent, did the
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Speaker 2: Bears get the right people in place? And you know
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Speaker 2: it is, Chad, it's weird. You guys kept your head coach,
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Speaker 2: Like the whole scenario is very weird. So it'll be
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Speaker 2: interesting to see if there is no development this year,
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Speaker 2: if they just move on right after one year, it's like,
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Speaker 2: don't waste that talent of Williams bringing in some offensive
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Speaker 2: mind and build out around this kid.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting to me two things. One, Patrick Mahomes coach
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Speaker 1: slash coordinator calling the plays at Texas Tech. Cliff Kingsbury
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Speaker 1: same as Caleb Williams at USC. So either Cliff Kingsbury
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Speaker 1: continues to show how bad he is because he's got
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Speaker 1: generational talent that he cannot get in a position to
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Speaker 1: dominate because they have these terrible habits. And you make
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Speaker 1: a really good point about preparing Williams to Mahomes in college,
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Speaker 1: and scouts I've spoken to and I've spoken to some
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Speaker 1: have said he's so much further along than Mahomes was
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Speaker 1: in college, and a lot of the bad habits developed
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Speaker 1: at the end of this last year, which leads to
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Speaker 1: my second point. It's about want right And one of
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Speaker 1: the reasons we love the Chiefs in the Super Bowl
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Speaker 1: is because we just believe Mahomes is so competitive and
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Speaker 1: so good. If he has the ball in his hands
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Speaker 1: in the last two minutes, he's going to find a
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Speaker 1: way for his team to win. And Caleb Williams, everyone
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Speaker 1: made fun of him for the way he reacted after
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Speaker 1: one of the games where he was crying in the
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Speaker 1: stands with his mom. I thought, I thought that was awesome.
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Speaker 1: I thought, approved how much he cares about winning, and like,
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Speaker 1: don't I want that on my team. I'm not making
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Speaker 1: fun of that. I think that's brilliant. That to me
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Speaker 1: is everything I want in a quarterback who cares that
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Speaker 1: deeply that he cannot contain his emotions after losing a
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Speaker 1: regular season game.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff we've heard, like he's
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Speaker 2: just a different dude, and obviously it's part of generational stuff.
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Speaker 2: But you talk to anyone that's a man on that team,
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Speaker 2: they respect to hot him, they view him as their leader,
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Speaker 2: and in football, dad's half the battle. Right there, Zach
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Speaker 2: Wilson was dead on arrival. You know why no one
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Speaker 2: respected him as a leader in that locker room. He
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Speaker 2: was never going to be the leader of the Jets,
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Speaker 2: and they made a huge mistake with that. Where I
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Speaker 2: don't have that fear with Williams, I actually have more
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Speaker 2: of that fear with Drake May Again, we'll die more
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Speaker 2: than him come draft season. But yeah, like the Bears,
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Speaker 2: you guys won the lottery, Like you just you have
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Speaker 2: to take this kid where, like I'm an Eagles fan,
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Speaker 2: we haven't had the number one pick I think since
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Speaker 2: the nineteen fifties or sixties, Like these rare opportunities don't
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Speaker 2: come along, and it's even rare where there is a
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Speaker 2: unanimous guy, right, like all this shit we want to
17:57
Speaker 2: give Trevor Lawrence, I still think you always take Trevor
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Speaker 2: Lawrence in that spot, all the shit you want to give,
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Speaker 2: you know, the team for taking you know, Joe Burrow
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Speaker 2: over Justin Herbert at the time or whatever it was,
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Speaker 2: Like the number one pick, it tends to work out
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Speaker 2: where these second picks again, Carson Wentz was my quarterback
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Speaker 2: of the Eagles, the second pick tends to fade away
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Speaker 2: where the number one pick. Seems like over these last
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Speaker 2: couple years have been the more surefire pick. So yeah,
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Speaker 2: like I keep saying, Bears fans, I'm just jealous because
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Speaker 2: this is the funnest this is as as a football fan.
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Speaker 2: These are the best days where you guys have all
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Speaker 2: this hope about the future. You're not like me and
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Speaker 2: Matn not surely yet, which is already you already had
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Speaker 2: your quarterback for a couple of years, and you see
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Speaker 2: their ugly warts and what their issues are where yeah
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Speaker 2: right now, Like you just hear anyone talking about Williams,
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Speaker 2: it's all flowers and butterflies, Like everyone's just so in
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Speaker 2: love with this kid. But he is going to have
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Speaker 2: massive growing pains. I've already seen, You've just talked about it,
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Speaker 2: Like all these little bad habits he picked up last
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Speaker 2: year is not going to get better in Chicago. You
18:56
Speaker 2: guys have a bad offensive line, Like, there are ways
18:59
Speaker 2: to tact this team. And again, you guys have a
19:02
Speaker 2: lot of money if they addressed the offensive line, if
19:04
Speaker 2: they if they do all these things, I mean, this
19:07
Speaker 2: really the sky's the limit for Williams. He really is
19:09
Speaker 2: the prototype of Mahomes playing style.
19:13
Speaker 1: I feel like you just mentioned well A, It's interesting
19:20
Speaker 1: how much clarity there is once you get away from
19:23
Speaker 1: the season. We were having all these debates, do you
19:26
Speaker 1: keep justin fields? Do you trade justin fields? Do you
19:29
Speaker 1: take Caleb Williams remove from the season. There's no lack
19:34
Speaker 1: of clarity. Trade justin fields, you get Kayleb Williams. You
19:39
Speaker 1: do all the right things financially, you find a way
19:41
Speaker 1: to get some offensive lineman. You put this team in
19:44
Speaker 1: a position to be one of what could be the
19:48
Speaker 1: best divisions in football in the NFC North between the Packers,
19:53
Speaker 1: the Lions, a resurgent Vikings team, and then a resurgent
19:56
Speaker 1: Bears team. You could see it. You could definitely see
19:59
Speaker 1: that being a really competitive everyone above five hundred like
20:04
Speaker 1: the AFC North Division.
20:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that could quickly become one of the harder
20:08
Speaker 2: divisions all football. So that's why I love their making
20:11
Speaker 2: this move though, because if you guys do strikeout on Williams,
20:14
Speaker 2: who cares, You're right back in the Zacca position you've
20:17
Speaker 2: been in for what fifteen years now? Yeah, It's like
20:20
Speaker 2: you might as well try to go for the moon
20:21
Speaker 2: if you're going to miss who cares?
20:23
Speaker 1: You mentioned the Eagles. They fired Brian Johnson, They've made
20:29
Speaker 1: drastic changes on the coaching staff. Why does everyone hate
20:34
Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni? Was he just completely buoyed by Gannon and
20:39
Speaker 1: Shane Steichen in the year they went to the Super Bowl?
20:42
Speaker 1: And is he a fraud?
20:43
Speaker 2: Like?
20:43
Speaker 1: What's the story here?
20:46
Speaker 2: I mean it could be personality. He does a lot
20:48
Speaker 2: of things, especially against caught on camera. You're just like
20:50
Speaker 2: ah Man Sky's kind of a tool, which I get
20:54
Speaker 2: when people are talking on They're just they think he's
20:55
Speaker 2: a little douchey, and I get it, but my big
20:58
Speaker 2: pushes what does this guy do? That's why I don't
21:02
Speaker 2: really like him. Where it's like he got interviewed after
21:04
Speaker 2: the season, they go, well, if you're not gonna be
21:06
Speaker 2: run on the offense and you're not gonna help them
21:08
Speaker 2: the defense, what exactly you're gonna do. I'm gonna manage
21:10
Speaker 2: the guys. Dude, you just lost the locker room like this.
21:14
Speaker 2: It was a total train wreck towards the end of
21:15
Speaker 2: the season, all those guys. Not that they turned on him, right,
21:18
Speaker 2: the guy spoke glowingly about him, but it's like, dude,
21:22
Speaker 2: you're a player's coach. No, no, of course they like
21:24
Speaker 2: you like no doubt they. I'm sure they do like you.
21:27
Speaker 2: Where That's why I wanted a guy like raybro coming Rabel.
21:31
Speaker 2: He can be liked, but he's also a guy you
21:33
Speaker 2: want to play hard for. You don't want to double
21:35
Speaker 2: cross where the Eagles just felt like they didn't play
21:37
Speaker 2: hard at the end of the season.
21:38
Speaker 3: Because it sucks to lose. It fucking sucks. Losing awful.
21:44
Speaker 3: That's why I want to win, Because you don't sleep.
21:47
Speaker 3: You want to win for the players, that buster tail,
21:50
Speaker 3: that's it.
21:50
Speaker 2: As a franchise. It feels like it's just reading the ownership.
21:54
Speaker 2: You know. Jeffrey maybe he fell guilt firing this kid
21:57
Speaker 2: after he got him to the super Bowl the previous year.
22:00
Speaker 2: But me and you talked about I still think it's
22:02
Speaker 2: really all about Shane Steiken, like that offense. I mean,
22:05
Speaker 2: we just saw that Chiefs defense, how good they were
22:08
Speaker 2: the previous Super Bowl. Jalen Hurts through for three hundred yards,
22:12
Speaker 2: he rushed for three touchdowns, and he threw for a touchdown,
22:15
Speaker 2: Like that was the peak we might ever see of
22:18
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts. That's as good as it might ever get
22:19
Speaker 2: because we know how good that Chiefs defense is and
22:22
Speaker 2: how good they were last year as well. So that's
22:24
Speaker 2: the thing I'm scared of where we see it all
22:27
Speaker 2: the time, like these offensive geniuses that leave different places,
22:30
Speaker 2: they take the scheme with them and it slowly starts
22:33
Speaker 2: to fall apart. Now we'll see the Eagles probably in
22:36
Speaker 2: like you said, brought on in new OC, a new DC.
22:39
Speaker 2: Maybe they can get this last dish effort out of
22:41
Speaker 2: these guys. But I would say is Eagles fans I'm
22:45
Speaker 2: expecting a little bit of transition right our d line
22:48
Speaker 2: who got us to that Super Bowl, two different super
22:49
Speaker 2: bowl S, Fletcher Cox, Brandon Graham, they're either leaving or
22:52
Speaker 2: they're really old now they're going to take pay decreases.
22:56
Speaker 2: These kids we've taken from Georgia just apparently got overweight.
23:01
Speaker 2: Davis was huge, Carter disappeared towards ends of the season.
23:05
Speaker 2: Like there's just as an Eagles fan, there's a lot
23:07
Speaker 2: of unknown. But what gives me solace is the fact
23:10
Speaker 2: that Dallas they have a lot of unknown as well
23:13
Speaker 2: this offseason. So you know, the Eagles, as much as
23:16
Speaker 2: I want to say that they might be in rebuilding mode,
23:17
Speaker 2: there's so much talent on the offensive side that if
23:21
Speaker 2: Howie just gets the right linebacker or the right d lineman,
23:25
Speaker 2: it could fix a lot of problems as team has
23:27
Speaker 2: right now. But yeah, if if I have faith in
23:30
Speaker 2: the coaching staff, I just don't really have faith in
23:32
Speaker 2: Sirianni right now, just how bad everything ended last year.
23:37
Speaker 2: It's just hard again. A bizarre offseason chat, the fact
23:40
Speaker 2: that Rabel, Belichick, Carroll, these legends of the sport are
23:44
Speaker 2: out there hung dry. It just feels like you know,
23:47
Speaker 2: the owners don't want that power dynamic. Like I feel
23:50
Speaker 2: like the owner likes that this guy is I don't
23:53
Speaker 2: want to stay. He's a bitch, but like you know,
23:56
Speaker 2: he's not gonna tell Jeffrey what Jeffrey needs to hear sometimes, right, Like,
23:59
Speaker 2: I feel that's the problem here. So you know, the
24:03
Speaker 2: sky's at falling yet as an Eagles fan, but I
24:05
Speaker 2: know that this window, it might only have a year left,
24:09
Speaker 2: honestly because a lot of guys like that Jail Hurts.
24:11
Speaker 2: Money's about to kick in and a lot of guys
24:13
Speaker 2: are gonna have to go. So definitely, as a fan,
24:15
Speaker 2: I'm not that confident head of the season. But the
24:17
Speaker 2: fact that I have Jalen Hurts, why I think is
24:19
Speaker 2: a tom Tech quarterback, that gives me some confidence on
24:22
Speaker 2: this team.
24:22
Speaker 1: Right now, Well, you're right, they structure these deals so
24:26
Speaker 1: you've got a twelve to twenty four month window, yeah,
24:31
Speaker 1: to execute on these deals. And the Bengals are all
24:36
Speaker 1: of a sudden confront situation, right The Chiefs went all
24:41
Speaker 1: in on Mahomes, and I think for a lot of
24:44
Speaker 1: the year it challenged them because they just didn't have
24:47
Speaker 1: the receiving talent and only by virtue of mahomes and
24:52
Speaker 1: shrinking the playbook, did they get to where they were going? Yeah,
24:57
Speaker 1: we see this all the time. So if like Jordan
25:02
Speaker 1: Davis and Jalen Carter can't become the equivalent of Flexer Cox,
25:08
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you've wasted all these months
25:11
Speaker 1: and all these opportunities to win the Super Bowl. And
25:15
Speaker 1: they had it last year like that Niners team was
25:19
Speaker 1: beatable against really good teams, and they just wasted the opportunity.
25:24
Speaker 1: They just lost it completely. They made the wrong decisions
25:29
Speaker 1: with the coordinators, and like that is on Sarianni right,
25:32
Speaker 1: that you could actually say, listen, your job as a
25:37
Speaker 1: leader is about the judgment you have and the faith
25:40
Speaker 1: and the people you put your faith in. And you
25:43
Speaker 1: made the wrong decision and that seemed greater because of it.
25:46
Speaker 1: So you could see them saying, yeah, we're done with
25:50
Speaker 1: you already. Now that I think about it, it's a
25:54
Speaker 1: little surprising they didn't made a mistake.
25:57
Speaker 2: And that's why I mean, Chad are putting money on
25:59
Speaker 2: the New York Jet. It's disgusting to say, but there
26:02
Speaker 2: is a window where this team could win this division.
26:04
Speaker 2: We talk every year at this point. Last year we're
26:07
Speaker 2: telling you to take the Cowboys a plus two hundred.
26:09
Speaker 2: The same team doesn't repeat, has not repeated what now
26:12
Speaker 2: chat twenty one years? Twenty years, there's not been a
26:14
Speaker 2: repeat champion in the NFC. So the Eagles have some
26:18
Speaker 2: you know, cracks in the arm or staying with Dallas like,
26:19
Speaker 2: it's going to be a really interesting year for that division.
26:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Giants become really fascinating all of a sudden
26:25
Speaker 1: because you could see when they played Tyrod Taylor they
26:29
Speaker 1: were a competent team. And obviously Evan is saying today
26:32
Speaker 1: is a massive day for the future of Saquon and
26:35
Speaker 1: the Giants. I don't know how much that matters to me. Yeah, yeah,
26:40
Speaker 1: but I don't know how much that matters to me
26:42
Speaker 1: thinking about their ability to win the division because it
26:47
Speaker 1: still comes down to who's playing quarterback more than who's
26:49
Speaker 1: playing running back. And we saw the ability of Tyrod
26:53
Speaker 1: Taylor to manage that team and how they can be
26:56
Speaker 1: good if they had, like someone remotely cap bole and
27:00
Speaker 1: competent with Brian Dayball, with that scheme, a new defensive coordinator.
27:08
Speaker 1: It's an interesting idea for sure. Totally love it. One
27:11
Speaker 1: of the other teams and I don't get this one.
27:15
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, getting a little bit of bus
27:20
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans like people saying, are the Tennessee Titans
27:25
Speaker 1: the next Houston Texans? And dude, I don't see it.
27:31
Speaker 1: A Brian Callahan may have been a brilliant offensive coordinator
27:36
Speaker 1: with the Bengals, but he also had Joe Burrow. He
27:39
Speaker 1: also had Jamar Chase, he had Higgins. Like they've got
27:44
Speaker 1: an incredible set of skill players. He wasn't calling the
27:49
Speaker 1: plays right because the Bengals head coach was calling the
27:54
Speaker 1: place he will be calling the plays in Tennessee. I
27:58
Speaker 1: think the smartest thing Brian Calla is done. Lord his father,
28:03
Speaker 1: Bill Callahan away from the Browns where he was making
28:07
Speaker 1: three million a year as an offensive line coach. He's
28:10
Speaker 1: going to go down as one of the best offensive
28:11
Speaker 1: line coaches in NFL history, has been respected for forty
28:15
Speaker 1: plus years as a coach focusing on the offensive line.
28:19
Speaker 1: That to me is as big a deal with anything else.
28:21
Speaker 1: But I don't think you're a hot team with Will
28:23
Speaker 1: Levis as your quarterback.
28:26
Speaker 2: No. And I saw amazing stat a week or two
28:29
Speaker 2: ago about Will Levis where I believe you had four
28:32
Speaker 2: touchdowns in his first twenty passes. You remember that game
28:35
Speaker 2: he had four. Yeah, he didn't have four more in
28:38
Speaker 2: the next two hundred and nineteen. So it is a
28:42
Speaker 2: flash in the pan where we saw the sparks. But
28:45
Speaker 2: I said in the moment, I said, was that a
28:48
Speaker 2: game for him or was that a game where Hopkins
28:49
Speaker 2: showed why he's a Hall of Famer Because it was
28:51
Speaker 2: a lot of deep balls to Hopkins who he just
28:53
Speaker 2: went up and got it and made incredible plays. So
28:56
Speaker 2: I don't see it. They haven't drafted well. But the
28:59
Speaker 2: people betting this, it's really hard to knock them because
29:03
Speaker 2: me and you hit the Jags two years ago because
29:05
Speaker 2: they were undervalued. Last year, the guy we had on,
29:07
Speaker 2: Brandon Anderson talked about Houston being undervalued. We can we
29:11
Speaker 2: can talk to brand Neinsen again. There's no way he
29:14
Speaker 2: saw CJ. Stroud doing what he did right. None of
29:17
Speaker 2: us saw that coming. His reasoning was sound where he
29:20
Speaker 2: made that bet because they brought in a defensive mind
29:22
Speaker 2: and they had a pretty good defensive team, so he
29:24
Speaker 2: didn't need or he didn't think CJ was going to
29:26
Speaker 2: be a Pro Bowl. He thought, if this guy is
29:29
Speaker 2: just you know, an average rookie quarterback. This team could
29:32
Speaker 2: somehow steal this division if the other teams fall apart
29:35
Speaker 2: and what happens back to back years. Tennessee fell apart
29:37
Speaker 2: two years ago. Last year, Jaguars, they fell apart towards
29:40
Speaker 2: the end of the year. Do you feel the same
29:42
Speaker 2: about Houston? I don't, like I have confidence in that
29:45
Speaker 2: and CJ that even if things are going wrong for
29:48
Speaker 2: them next year, I don't see them falling apart, Like
29:50
Speaker 2: they seem like a very mentally tough team and I
29:52
Speaker 2: like that combo. So yeah, if I was gonna make
29:56
Speaker 2: a sneaky pick, I could maybe be convinced that the
30:00
Speaker 2: Jaguars are a little undervalue in this division right now
30:03
Speaker 2: because of all the hype and love for Houston. But CJ,
30:07
Speaker 2: to me, is taking that step chat in just one
30:08
Speaker 2: year where it's like I think he's better than Trevor Lawrence,
30:11
Speaker 2: like he showed me more in big moments where he
30:14
Speaker 2: needed to be better. Where I think there's other divisions
30:17
Speaker 2: we can attack for these kind of bets, but I
30:20
Speaker 2: don't see any more in the South. I just feels
30:22
Speaker 2: like this is going to be CJ's division against what
30:26
Speaker 2: we think will be the Jaguars for the next couple
30:28
Speaker 2: of years. It's like him and Trevor Lawrence. I don't
30:29
Speaker 2: see them going anywhere. But yeah, Will Loves if you
30:32
Speaker 2: want to bet on him taking the next step, go
30:34
Speaker 2: for it. I just don't think the value is there
30:35
Speaker 2: right now in the number.
30:37
Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree with you one hundred percent. That was
30:40
Speaker 1: lightning in a bottle for the Texans because they drafted
30:44
Speaker 1: Stroud and Will Anderson. And I agree with you about CJ. Stroud.
30:49
Speaker 1: The guy's it. He's him right And by the way,
30:53
Speaker 1: don't forget.
30:54
Speaker 2: So once in every like six seven year draft pick.
30:56
Speaker 1: Tank Dell, who was his favorite receiver, was out the
31:00
Speaker 1: latter half of the season and in the playoffs, and
31:04
Speaker 1: still CJ. Stroud was dominating with guys who were not
31:10
Speaker 1: like who were not his you know, with Nico Collins
31:14
Speaker 1: and Robert Woods, like the people who were not his
31:16
Speaker 1: number one options for most of the year. So this
31:19
Speaker 1: is a team team on the up. I think I
31:22
Speaker 1: don't think it's I don't think it's a flash in
31:23
Speaker 1: the pan at all. You just said something interesting. If
31:28
Speaker 1: not the AFC South, we talked about the NFC East.
31:32
Speaker 1: Where is the division where there might be value and
31:37
Speaker 1: if I may offer a suggestion.
31:41
Speaker 2: Yeah far away. I love hearing this.
31:45
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm falling for it obviously, like we
31:50
Speaker 1: do every year Los Angeles Chargers.
31:55
Speaker 2: I know we can't though, can we? No? I don't
31:57
Speaker 2: think our fans will let us. I can tell you this.
31:59
Speaker 2: I have not put a dollar on them, even though,
32:01
Speaker 2: like Chad just said, I want to. I'm going through
32:03
Speaker 2: next year. I think it's a year with Harball. I
32:08
Speaker 2: need I need Horble to get his guys, right, we
32:09
Speaker 2: know what Harball wants to do. Wants to get some
32:11
Speaker 2: big ass offensive lineman. He wants get a running back
32:13
Speaker 2: he can trust, and that's the team he's gonna build, right.
32:16
Speaker 2: He wants a team that can handle the ball. That's
32:18
Speaker 2: always been his style, even when he was with the
32:20
Speaker 2: forty nine ers, Like you know, people forget he re
32:24
Speaker 2: re engaged frank Or and had a whole second half
32:27
Speaker 2: of his career with frank Or, which was just incredible
32:30
Speaker 2: with that forty nine Ers team. So I love where
32:33
Speaker 2: you're at, Like this is what I dream for. Yeah,
32:36
Speaker 2: Tito put in our Chad Derek Henry with Horrball, like
32:38
Speaker 2: that'd be really fun. But I just I can't do it, man,
32:42
Speaker 2: I just can't do it where it's just that division.
32:47
Speaker 2: Even if they start out hot with Harball, I just
32:50
Speaker 2: still think Mahomes will eventually catch him down the road.
32:53
Speaker 2: So I love your heads at though, like the new coach,
32:56
Speaker 2: that's something mean you both like to attack. I just
32:59
Speaker 2: I can't pull the trick on that one.
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Speaker 1: say the Falcons get justin fields. Are we going to
34:00
Speaker 1: all of a sudden have to be once again in
34:04
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons podcast? Is this the division where you might
34:09
Speaker 1: see the opportunity that you were just talking about?
34:12
Speaker 2: I could see it. I mean again, the most interesting
34:14
Speaker 2: about them right now is you can go to a
34:16
Speaker 2: couple of different sites. The Bears are fourteen to one
34:19
Speaker 2: right now to win the NFC. So are the Atlanta Falcons.
34:23
Speaker 2: Like it doesn't make sense Wheretlanta's in such a weak division.
34:27
Speaker 2: It just feels like they should be. Like you just said,
34:30
Speaker 2: Green Bay Detroit are pretty good, Like it's just weird
34:32
Speaker 2: that they have the same odds right now Chicago. So
34:36
Speaker 2: you know, we talked about it where at this point
34:40
Speaker 2: my long shots really that I'm invested in we already
34:42
Speaker 2: talked about with the Giants, Like that's a team I'm
34:44
Speaker 2: heavily invested in. But everything we like about Atlanta, it's
34:49
Speaker 2: just all about their division. Like again, Baker, I don't
34:53
Speaker 2: he hasn't even resigned with Tampa yet. So Tampa right
34:55
Speaker 2: now Tingley doesn't have a quarterback. They want to get
34:58
Speaker 2: him in. But they just missed out on resigning Mike Evans,
35:02
Speaker 2: which that's a huge deal. Like if they can resign
35:05
Speaker 2: Baker now bring him back, Mike Evans is gone. I
35:07
Speaker 2: believe Mike Emmons was number one red zone target right
35:10
Speaker 2: He got like thirteen touchdowns last year. So those are
35:13
Speaker 2: big deals to someone like me and Chatt who want
35:15
Speaker 2: to bet this Atlanta team. But this is this is
35:18
Speaker 2: a big swing, right, Me and you were going to
35:20
Speaker 2: play some money on a team that they don't have
35:21
Speaker 2: a quarterback yet. For all we know, they could punt
35:24
Speaker 2: on it and go to the draft and draft a guy.
35:26
Speaker 2: Me and Chat just made a dead bet. So that
35:28
Speaker 2: is the risk if you're listening to us and you
35:29
Speaker 2: want to take a little bit Atlanta here. I am
35:32
Speaker 2: a supportive of it just because I like the guys
35:36
Speaker 2: that brought in. I like all the pieces there. We
35:38
Speaker 2: talked last year. The only thing missing was the quarterback position.
35:40
Speaker 2: So to me, even fields coming in and learning a
35:44
Speaker 2: new offense, I still think they can make it work
35:47
Speaker 2: to win that division. But the dream scenario, of course,
35:49
Speaker 2: is Kirk Cousins. You're bringing Kirk Cousins, that's going to
35:52
Speaker 2: be a team that's going to make the division. Like
35:54
Speaker 2: I would easily have him rated high, but higher above
35:58
Speaker 2: Derek Carr, especially in this division. So yeah, it's a
36:03
Speaker 2: risky bet. But like we're talking about right now, I
36:05
Speaker 2: just think the odds are too low on this Atlanta team.
36:10
Speaker 1: If Justin Fields goes to the Falcons, it's gonna be
36:13
Speaker 1: very hard not to think about the opportunities and the
36:17
Speaker 1: athleticism and what could be and put myself right back
36:20
Speaker 1: in week sixteen before we're playing the last game of
36:26
Speaker 1: the year against the Packers and believing Justin Fields is
36:30
Speaker 1: the next great thing.
36:31
Speaker 2: Nah, you won't carry I'm telling you. Even just wait
36:35
Speaker 2: until Williams on your team. You see him in your
36:37
Speaker 2: Bears gear practicing this spring, You're gonna be like everything
36:41
Speaker 2: he does is so smooth. Again, Fields was a cred
36:43
Speaker 2: laugh and everything he did was smooth as well, But
36:45
Speaker 2: it's just different. Williams is just a different level than Fields's.
36:48
Speaker 2: And again, it's all about coaching. But I get where
36:52
Speaker 2: you're coming from. I'll never forget the Eagles guy Rydan
36:54
Speaker 2: McNabb and he went to Washington. We lost to Washington
36:57
Speaker 2: that first game, and we played them the next season,
37:00
Speaker 2: and every Eagles fans like, what the hell are we doing?
37:02
Speaker 2: Filled with regret. I think Donovan was out of the
37:04
Speaker 2: league in a year. So yeah, that's how it is
37:06
Speaker 2: a football fan, where we're just so in the moment.
37:08
Speaker 2: But I get it. It's gonna be weird seeing him
37:11
Speaker 2: and that Atlanta team, but yeah, it's it's what needs
37:15
Speaker 2: to happen.
37:17
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson was a featured celebrity guest at the All
37:21
Speaker 1: Star Game on Sunday night, and while he's talking about
37:27
Speaker 1: his greatest gift is throwing deep, not shooting threes, he's
37:35
Speaker 1: likely to be cut. Rumors are he's accepting offers on
37:39
Speaker 1: his Denver mansion. This team we love Sean Payton. Love
37:45
Speaker 1: Sean Payton. Made a lot of money on Sean Payton
37:48
Speaker 1: last year when he was sort of turning this team around.
37:52
Speaker 1: They were in the middle of a very positive turnover streak.
38:02
Speaker 1: What's going to happen to this team now? Who's their quarterback?
38:06
Speaker 1: How are they going to draft anybody? They're in salary cap? Hell?
38:10
Speaker 1: This team, we love this team a year ago. We
38:14
Speaker 1: couldn't be more off this team right now.
38:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got to burn it all down on the ground,
38:19
Speaker 2: right That's that's gonna be the hard part here, where
38:23
Speaker 2: you know, they gave Wilson arguably one of the worst
38:26
Speaker 2: contracts in NFL history before you even played a snap
38:29
Speaker 2: for the team. And you know, I think they had
38:33
Speaker 2: a conversation with him about trying to restartch Craze deal
38:35
Speaker 2: last year. He wouldn't do it. No, they let him
38:38
Speaker 2: play a couple more games, and they did eventually sit them.
38:40
Speaker 2: And that's when we both agreed, like, Okay, if they're
38:43
Speaker 2: sitting him at this point, that means they're moving off
38:44
Speaker 2: from this offseas that's why they don't want to get hurt.
38:47
Speaker 2: So that means his contract had been locked in. I'd
38:50
Speaker 2: have to look at the numbers, brother, but I think
38:51
Speaker 2: it's like it might be forty or fifty million in
38:54
Speaker 2: dead cap. It might even be higher. I could be wrong,
38:56
Speaker 2: but I think it's forty to fifty million of dead
38:58
Speaker 2: dead cap number if they do cut him or get
39:00
Speaker 2: rid of him, and again could be higher. So just
39:03
Speaker 2: doing simple math, that just means like this next year
39:05
Speaker 2: or two, they oh, Wow, Matt Mitchell says, you think
39:08
Speaker 2: it's eighty five million? Like that's came around my head
39:11
Speaker 2: around it.
39:12
Speaker 1: That's insane. I think you could get some We got
39:15
Speaker 1: to get some fact checking on that.
39:18
Speaker 2: I can't get.
39:18
Speaker 1: I can't believe it is eighty five million.
39:21
Speaker 2: It could be the high because I just remember I
39:23
Speaker 2: had them marked off this year of a team that
39:25
Speaker 2: I won't bet a single future on, Like there's just there,
39:29
Speaker 2: there is nothing there for me to bet on, just
39:31
Speaker 2: because Sean's gonna get this team and put it in
39:33
Speaker 2: his view, his vision. And you know if that means
39:36
Speaker 2: this year he'll trade up to which would be crazy
39:39
Speaker 2: if he trades up to the number three pick and
39:41
Speaker 2: takes Daniels or he trades up and takes McCarthy. You
39:46
Speaker 2: know there's a bunch of guys he could trade up
39:48
Speaker 2: to take these quarterback position. I don't know why he would, though,
39:51
Speaker 2: Like you could just roll it out, maybe tank this
39:54
Speaker 2: year and you know you cant get Deon Sanders kid
39:57
Speaker 2: next year if he takes another step and becomes a
39:59
Speaker 2: number one pick, Like it would just be interesting if
40:01
Speaker 2: he did move up in the draft where they need
40:04
Speaker 2: to rebuild it all out right, like me and you
40:06
Speaker 2: talked about that that film breakdown you did. I forget
40:10
Speaker 2: who it was you were breaking down, but it was
40:11
Speaker 2: a Miami versus Denver game where Denver just could not
40:14
Speaker 2: could not tackle.
40:15
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it was Denver defense. Yes, I got listen,
40:19
Speaker 1: I got Matt Mitchell's note. I'll say it. I didn't
40:21
Speaker 1: want to interrupt you. As soon as you're done, I
40:23
Speaker 1: see you looking to the side, I'll get to Matt
40:25
Speaker 1: Mitchell's note.
40:28
Speaker 2: Like you just you said it perfectly. With the second
40:30
Speaker 2: half of the season, that was a totally different defense, right,
40:32
Speaker 2: they were playing hard, they were making the tackles. Everything
40:34
Speaker 2: did change. So we know that talent is there, and
40:36
Speaker 2: I think Sean Payton sees that. He just he doesn't
40:39
Speaker 2: believe Russell Wilson was swre enough to learn his offense
40:41
Speaker 2: or good enough to be worthy of what they're paying him.
40:44
Speaker 2: So that's a team that in that division. Like you
40:47
Speaker 2: just said, now the Harball's in that division. It's gonna
40:49
Speaker 2: be a one to two year rebuild for Denver.
40:53
Speaker 1: Matt Mitchell said, Russell Wilson was an eighty five million
40:56
Speaker 1: cap hit to me because he wasn't clear in chat.
41:00
Speaker 1: I thought he was saying it was a one season
41:02
Speaker 1: eighty five million cap hit. It's two seasons thirty nine
41:07
Speaker 1: and forty five or something like that, So that would
41:11
Speaker 1: still be the biggest cap hit and the most expensive
41:13
Speaker 1: signing ever. But it's eighty five million over two seasons.
41:17
Speaker 1: If he's a post June one release, that is absurd.
41:25
Speaker 2: Right, If you draft right, it doesn't cripple your team
41:28
Speaker 2: like the Eagles cut Carson Wentz with all that guaranteed
41:31
Speaker 2: money and the next the following season when you were
41:34
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl. So you can make it work
41:37
Speaker 2: if you draft right. I just don't know. Again, it's
41:42
Speaker 2: too hard to project out. But just in that division,
41:44
Speaker 2: I just can't see it happening where it's just they're
41:46
Speaker 2: just so far behind right now, the Chargers and the Chiefs.
41:49
Speaker 2: It's just hard to envision them turn it around so quick.
41:52
Speaker 2: And the Raiders, like, the Raiders are ahead of them
41:53
Speaker 2: definitely right now. So yeah, dark days right now in Denver.
41:57
Speaker 1: Well, look, you mentioned the Raiders. I want to do
41:59
Speaker 1: two quick hitters before we get out of here. One.
42:03
Speaker 1: Jimmy g suspended two games, will probably get cut, lose
42:10
Speaker 1: his salary of eleven point two five million the Raiders
42:16
Speaker 1: seemed like they were committed to Aiden O'Connell anyways, Like
42:19
Speaker 1: when I saw the story this week about him being
42:22
Speaker 1: suspended for ingesting some kind of performance enhancing substance, I
42:34
Speaker 1: forgot he was on the team and didn't think he
42:36
Speaker 1: was going to be a factor next year anyways. So
42:38
Speaker 1: to me, it doesn't really matter they were going with
42:40
Speaker 1: Aiden O'Connell. Am I misreading?
42:43
Speaker 2: No? But I do think it's interesting that, you know,
42:47
Speaker 2: if Sam Darnold's a free agent, and whoever walks from
42:49
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers, why not bring Jimmy back? Like
42:53
Speaker 2: rock Perty is not looking over his shoulder scared of
42:55
Speaker 2: Jimmy g Like he took that man's job when he
42:59
Speaker 2: was a third string. There'd be no fear there. So
43:03
Speaker 2: I would say that's a perfect landing spot for Jimmy. Right,
43:07
Speaker 2: Jimmy's not that good. His mobility is way down now
43:10
Speaker 2: as he's aged. He's just different now, and fra him
43:14
Speaker 2: to go back there, take the vet minimum like back
43:17
Speaker 2: up Purdy. I think that's a perfect landing spot for Jimmy.
43:19
Speaker 2: But yeah, Raiders, just a long line of terrible signings
43:24
Speaker 2: by that team, And you know, Josh McDaniels. Everything he
43:29
Speaker 2: touches turns of shit. That man is so bad at
43:31
Speaker 2: being a head coach and making quarterback decisions. Between Jimmy
43:35
Speaker 2: G and Tbau, there might be no one works out
43:37
Speaker 2: there than McDaniels.
43:40
Speaker 1: Jimmy G. Think about this, will always be less than
43:49
Speaker 1: six inches away from having beaten the Chiefs. Yeah, if
43:55
Speaker 1: he can just hit that deep ball down the middle,
43:59
Speaker 1: he's there and they win that game. It's just a
44:02
Speaker 1: little bit off target. And that's the history of his
44:06
Speaker 1: career in one play. Oh, Jimmy G. Jimmy G. Just
44:13
Speaker 1: a little bit.
44:13
Speaker 2: Off you know what I mean?
44:16
Speaker 1: Like if you had a tagline for Jimmy G. B
44:18
Speaker 1: Jimmy G looks the part so close, not quite there.
44:27
Speaker 2: My memory of him will always be Tom Brady after
44:30
Speaker 2: the pick in the end zone, jumping in a circle,
44:33
Speaker 2: refusing to hug Jimmy G. After that Super Bowl Like
44:37
Speaker 2: it's just one of my favorite images of Tom. Tom
44:39
Speaker 2: just hated him so much. Even in Tom's happiest moment
44:42
Speaker 2: of his life, whereat teams just picked off Russell Wilson
44:45
Speaker 2: in the end zone of the Super Bowl, He instead
44:47
Speaker 2: of hugging him, just keeps spinning in a circle cheering.
44:49
Speaker 2: It's just it's my favorite Tom Brady and Jimmy g Memory.
44:53
Speaker 1: He is handsome though, he's got that going for him.
44:55
Speaker 2: Yeah.
44:56
Speaker 1: Finally, before we get out of here, the last bit
44:58
Speaker 1: of news since we left recorded, Kyah Shanahan fired defensive
45:03
Speaker 1: coordinator Steve Wilkes. Least surprising move of the offseason so far.
45:13
Speaker 1: Never seemed to work. Seemed like they were on the
45:15
Speaker 1: separate pages the entire season.
45:19
Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought he was good during the regular season
45:21
Speaker 2: and then his defense completely fell apart heading into the
45:24
Speaker 2: playoffs and whatever that Ravens Blue script, that that script
45:28
Speaker 2: they put out there how to attack their secondary Evan
45:32
Speaker 2: Just you see Evans in the chat fields down to
45:35
Speaker 2: minus one thirty now for Atlanta, Oh my god, that
45:38
Speaker 2: was right. We should have took the plus one fifth.
45:40
Speaker 1: By the way, I think it's moving because we're talking
45:42
Speaker 1: about it, that's what's happening.
45:49
Speaker 2: But yeah, total total, it was a move that needed
45:52
Speaker 2: to be made, Like the talent they had on that defense,
45:57
Speaker 2: because people keep trying to point to the numbers of
45:58
Speaker 2: what he did during the regular season, the number one
46:00
Speaker 2: scoring defense, how incredible they were. You know, he he
46:04
Speaker 2: was good. But I think him and Kyle butterheads and
46:06
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff. And when you go back and
46:09
Speaker 2: you watch the Super Bowl, his adjustments he made in
46:12
Speaker 2: the second half were the downfall of the team. Like
46:15
Speaker 2: he started, he tried to switch up looks and do
46:17
Speaker 2: different things the second half. And again, who knows if
46:20
Speaker 2: Kyle's when was spring in his ear telling him to
46:22
Speaker 2: start blitzing more and do all that. But it failed,
46:25
Speaker 2: It did not work. So it's my interest here is
46:29
Speaker 2: who who do they bring in? Right? Like, are they
46:31
Speaker 2: really gonna bring in Rabel or Belichick? Are those guys
46:33
Speaker 2: really gonna take that job for a one year deal?
46:37
Speaker 2: You know, that's that's a big ask of those guys
46:40
Speaker 2: to you know, swallow that pill and kind of become
46:43
Speaker 2: their DC. But yet we knew there's gonna be escape
46:47
Speaker 2: go right, Chad, We said it, like Colleen leaving. They're
46:51
Speaker 2: not getting rid of John Lynch. Someone some head was
46:54
Speaker 2: gonna roll and you know, of all the guys to
46:56
Speaker 2: get fired here, he was only there for one year.
46:59
Speaker 2: It just it seemed came a cole bumped ted so
47:01
Speaker 2: like if they hadn't, he would have stuck up for him.
47:03
Speaker 2: He would have held him there, So yeah, not that shocking,
47:06
Speaker 2: But the most more shocking part will be who's filling
47:08
Speaker 2: that position, because what are we a week later now
47:11
Speaker 2: and they haven't filled it. So there's a lot of
47:12
Speaker 2: stuff going on behind it because usually they don't fire
47:14
Speaker 2: someone unless they have someone in mind who's going to
47:16
Speaker 2: fill that position. But no one's accepted that position yet.
47:20
Speaker 1: Well, number one, you knew that he was going to
47:22
Speaker 1: get fired if they lost that game. When Shanahan called
47:25
Speaker 1: the time out on that fourth down call where he
47:28
Speaker 1: didn't like the look right and he called like it
47:31
Speaker 1: was the Niners had to defend a fourth down for
47:33
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Shanahan called time out. He's not calling the plays.
47:37
Speaker 1: Like when you're Steve Wilks and that timeout happens, you
47:40
Speaker 1: got to be thinking, what the actual freak? Yeah, you know,
47:46
Speaker 1: like the coach saw the look, called time out, overruled me.
47:50
Speaker 1: What's he going to want? And then are you going
47:51
Speaker 1: to fight him? In that moment? You're going to go
47:53
Speaker 1: to the look that he wants. So if I were
47:56
Speaker 1: Vrabel or Belichick one hundred, take that job for a year.
48:04
Speaker 1: You know, if it goes well, you're gonna make more money.
48:08
Speaker 1: It's not going to go badly because that defense is
48:11
Speaker 1: so good, and you get a year to sort of
48:16
Speaker 1: just have fun and not have the responsibility you get
48:19
Speaker 1: to coach. You get to be someone who Shanahan doesn't
48:22
Speaker 1: feel threatened is going to take your job, so he's
48:24
Speaker 1: going to lean on you as sort of a conciliary.
48:28
Speaker 1: It feels like the perfect job to take really for
48:31
Speaker 1: someone like Vrabel, Like take one year and just have
48:34
Speaker 1: fun coaching as a defensive coordinator, and then take the
48:37
Speaker 1: head coaching job. You'll be the leading candidate for any
48:40
Speaker 1: head coaching job the next year.
48:43
Speaker 2: Yeah. And just like you just said though, it's the
48:46
Speaker 2: perfect job to step into because it's not like you
48:49
Speaker 2: have a bunch of young guys on that defense, right,
48:51
Speaker 2: that's a veteran, smart, savvy defense. I mean their number
48:54
Speaker 2: one safety wasn't even playing half the season, like they
48:57
Speaker 2: lost so many guys. So yeah, I I am total
49:00
Speaker 2: agreens with you where it's like I would take that position.
49:03
Speaker 2: But clearly there's a delay because I thought right away
49:05
Speaker 2: someone we've been hired, and now we're almost a week
49:07
Speaker 2: later and no one's been hired.
49:09
Speaker 1: All right, Before we get out of here, a lot
49:10
Speaker 1: of people in the chat are asking us to talk
49:11
Speaker 1: about the Kenny Pickett Mason Rudolph situation in Pittsburgh because
49:16
Speaker 1: if it does, if Justin Fields is going to go
49:20
Speaker 1: to the Falcons, which is looking more and more likely
49:23
Speaker 1: as we talk, because we're moving markets because that's what
49:25
Speaker 1: we do. And they're going to stick with Kenny Pickett
49:27
Speaker 1: and Mason Rudolph and they've got Arthur Smith as a
49:29
Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator. Is this another nine and eight season?
49:35
Speaker 1: Is this Mike Tomlin with his first losing season? Is
49:39
Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph for real? From what he did at the
49:41
Speaker 1: end of the year. Can Arthur Smith turn this into
49:44
Speaker 1: a team with Najee Harris that really becomes a much
49:47
Speaker 1: better rushing team. What do we think of this Pittsburgh situation?
49:53
Speaker 2: All that can go is of like, I have a
49:54
Speaker 2: couple of teams, I have a decent out of contacts,
49:56
Speaker 2: only have one really good contact with Pittsburgh. They're very
49:59
Speaker 2: good at keeping things in the house and not having
50:01
Speaker 2: stuff a leak. They are happy to leak that they
50:04
Speaker 2: want a quarterback, they want something new in there. Tomlin
50:06
Speaker 2: has been very vocal about it to the front office,
50:09
Speaker 2: to a lot of the guys on his coaching staff.
50:11
Speaker 2: So that's a team that I do think they're gonna
50:13
Speaker 2: attack that position. They're gonna try to find a way
50:15
Speaker 2: to get a guy in there that can give them
50:17
Speaker 2: a chance, because I think they're just like the rest
50:19
Speaker 2: of us. Like we've all seen that stat that since
50:22
Speaker 2: Ben Roethlisberger's retired, they've only thrown for like twenty four
50:25
Speaker 2: touchdowns total, and he retired like four years ago, and
50:29
Speaker 2: somehow Tomlin keeps getting them above five hundred with that stat,
50:33
Speaker 2: Like they don't. They have not had a person back
50:34
Speaker 2: there throwing the ball for them since Ben's left, even
50:37
Speaker 2: Ben's last couple of years. Remember how we still laugh
50:38
Speaker 2: at it where it's like, yeah, they're propping this guy up.
50:41
Speaker 2: He is terrible. They can't find anything better than that,
50:44
Speaker 2: Like that's the craziest part. So I think they're gonna
50:48
Speaker 2: be really aggressive. That's why, like again the Bears, they
50:50
Speaker 2: have to make the move, like this is such a
50:53
Speaker 2: good year to be holding that card of the upside
50:56
Speaker 2: of fields. So that's the thing that I'm hearing is
50:59
Speaker 2: that Atlanta. To me, I think they're gonna have to
51:01
Speaker 2: pay more to get fields, But Pittsburgh could be there
51:04
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, Like Dad's a team
51:06
Speaker 2: that could easily step in and get Fields, who is
51:09
Speaker 2: big bodied, big hand, perfect for playing outdoors. I mean
51:13
Speaker 2: even when he played for Chicago, think of how much
51:15
Speaker 2: he ran the ball, Chad, and how he fixed those
51:17
Speaker 2: fumbles as he got older, right, Like earliest career filmed
51:20
Speaker 2: a lot. He figured that out as the years went on.
51:22
Speaker 2: So yes, if I'm a Pittsburgh fan, I'd much rather
51:27
Speaker 2: get someone like Fields than I would getting someone like
51:30
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins. Right, Kirk Cousins is perfect for indoors kind
51:33
Speaker 2: of offense. Pittsburgh is a team that still has a
51:36
Speaker 2: lot of questions across their offensive line. So I would say,
51:39
Speaker 2: if you're a Pittsburgh fan, I don't think your team,
51:42
Speaker 2: your front office views as you guys have a starting
51:44
Speaker 2: quarterback on your roster right now, so they're going to
51:46
Speaker 2: be very active this offseason trying to get into quarterback.
51:50
Speaker 1: It ain't over for the Steelers, By the way, why
51:52
Speaker 1: not Kirk Cousins.
51:56
Speaker 2: I don't hate it, but I feel like we've seen
51:59
Speaker 2: that you want Kirk indoors right, like his his splits
52:02
Speaker 2: were very different. But the Pittsburgh thing, I just look
52:07
Speaker 2: back on Terry Bratchaw on Big Bend. They are these big,
52:09
Speaker 2: strong quarterbacks, like I don't really get that from Kirk
52:12
Speaker 2: where I do get that from Fields. That's why I
52:14
Speaker 2: would love Fields in that position. But that outdoors thing
52:17
Speaker 2: is a real thing for Pittsburgh. Same with Buffalo. Buffalo
52:20
Speaker 2: talked about that's why they were so enamored with Josh Allen.
52:23
Speaker 2: He's big, strong, in has big hands. That's something you
52:26
Speaker 2: need for these cold weather outdoor games late in the season.
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