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Bengals Booth Podcast: Weapon of Choice · Bengals Booth Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hi again everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading
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Speaker 1: of Choice. Addition, as the Bengals add one of the
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Speaker 1: top weapons in this year's draft to the offense with
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Speaker 1: a selection of LSU wide receiver Jamar Chase. Coming up,
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Speaker 1: I'll discuss Chase with one of my favorite writers covering
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Speaker 1: the NFL, Key and Fahey. He's an irishman who's hosted
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Speaker 1: want to hear what he has to say about Jamar Chase.
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Speaker 1: Then I'll be joined by my broadcast partner Dave Lapham
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Speaker 1: to discuss why the Bengals opted for Chase over Pinney
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Speaker 1: Sewell and who they are likely targeting tomorrow in rounds
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Speaker 1: I also subscribe to the football content produced by Keyan
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Speaker 1: Fahey on patrion dot com. He's worked for Football Outsiders
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Speaker 1: an ESPN in the past and has some very interesting
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Speaker 1: things to say about the Bengal selection of Jamar Chase.
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Speaker 1: He and tonight the Bengal selected Jamar Chase fifth overall.
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Speaker 1: You wrote about him and did some video analysis last month.
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Speaker 1: The headline of your story was, Jamar Chase is a
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Speaker 1: true superstar prospect. I've seen enough of your work to
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Speaker 1: know you don't throw that term around lightly. Why are
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Speaker 1: you so high on Jamar Chase. I don't show that
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Speaker 1: around lightly. And the funny part of it is, and
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Speaker 1: this is very relevant for Bengals fans watching Joe Burrow
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Speaker 1: last year. And maybe you won't quite like me saying this,
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Speaker 1: but you won't care now. But when I was watching
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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, the best player on the field every single game,
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Speaker 1: we watched Jamar Chase. Like the quality of him as
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Speaker 1: a wide receiver. I wanted them to let him. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: you don't want guys who were too young to be
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Speaker 1: playing in the NFL who just get beaten up. But
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Speaker 1: I wanted him to be able to come out after
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Speaker 1: last year because there was nothing left for him to
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Speaker 1: do in college. He's a bigger receiver actually because he's
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Speaker 1: going going to the Bengals. It's kind of perfect because
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Speaker 1: you guys have got te Higgins there, and you just
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Speaker 1: watched what Tee Higgins did in his rookie year, where
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Speaker 1: you have that size, you have that athleticism, and you
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Speaker 1: have those balls skills. The interesting aspect of it is
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Speaker 1: Tee Higgins really surprised me as a rookie because when
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Speaker 1: he was coming out of college, his routes were quite poor.
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Speaker 1: He get pushed around a little bit, and I didn't
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Speaker 1: think he adjusted all that well in the air to
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Speaker 1: the ball. Now, if you compare him to Jamar Chase,
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Speaker 1: you'll see the size, you'll see the athleticism. Mey be like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: they're similar. But then you'll realize if if you go
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Speaker 1: back and look more closely at Chase's college tape, he's
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Speaker 1: doing things that Higgins didn't do in college. So he's
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Speaker 1: doing the adjustments like a lot of Barow or a
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Speaker 1: lot of the passes the Porow would have given him,
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Speaker 1: because paroles obviously not. He's a was a very good
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Speaker 1: rookie and very impressive rookie, but he's not a huge
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Speaker 1: armed quarterback. He's not throwing Matchew Stafford type of passes.
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Speaker 1: So oftentimes Chase would have opportunities to make adjustments in
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Speaker 1: the air which is why he's a perfect fit Witborow.
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Speaker 1: And you saw him do that so consistently in college,
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Speaker 1: where he would see where the ball was going before
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Speaker 1: the defensive back, which means he was moving to his
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Speaker 1: position before the defensive back could even figure out what
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Speaker 1: was happening, which meant he was getting in the right spot.
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Speaker 1: So like a great rebounder in basketball, he's already got
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Speaker 1: this position. But then he's got the size and the athleticism,
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Speaker 1: so once he gets that position, you're not involved at all.
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Speaker 1: He turns these contested catches into one opportunity to catch
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Speaker 1: the ball, and it's only chases. And normally, when you
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Speaker 1: get a guy who's that good, who's that scared, he's
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Speaker 1: that talented at the catchpoint, like a Mike Evans or
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Speaker 1: something like that, they're not that great overall as actual receivers.
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Speaker 1: They rely on that aspect of their game. But that's
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Speaker 1: not the case with him, and he runs upstanding routes.
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Speaker 1: He's very good getting off the line of scrimmage. He's
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Speaker 1: very nimble, and while he wants in his movement, he
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Speaker 1: can run after the catch. Obviously, he's a complete superstar
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Speaker 1: receiver to me, and he's one of those guys where
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Speaker 1: if you can normally wide receivers like over recent years,
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Speaker 1: we haven't really wanted them to go on the top five.
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Speaker 1: But there's no argument taking where he take him because
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Speaker 1: of just how good he is. We're dragging the NFL
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Speaker 1: analyst key and Fahey, I assume the fact that Joe
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Speaker 1: Burrow through to him for two years has to be
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Speaker 1: a plus. How big of a plus in your opinion?
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure how much that really matters, just because
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Speaker 1: the level of competition is so different, and now with
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Speaker 1: Borrows knee injury, obviously it was going to be some
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Speaker 1: question marks about how his timing and everything gets down
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Speaker 1: in the offseason and how he's going to feel playing
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Speaker 1: on that kneed. But you can still be really optimistic
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Speaker 1: about it. I think actually what I'm more interested in
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Speaker 1: is how it will impact the defense when you've got
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Speaker 1: Higgins on one side, Chase on the other, and then
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Speaker 1: you've got like Tyler Boyd working in the middle. You
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, come on, like what you have?
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Speaker 1: How many more weapons you need? Because obviously we wanted
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Speaker 1: that to be with aj Green last year, but Green
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Speaker 1: was at the end of his career and injuries is
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Speaker 1: called up to him a little bit, and that limited
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Speaker 1: him a little bit. But Chase's ability to win the
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Speaker 1: ball one on one and Higgins's ability to win the
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Speaker 1: ball one on one on both sides of the field,
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Speaker 1: and then you factor in that neither of those guys
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Speaker 1: can be matched up to with just a big cornerback.
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Speaker 1: Like back in the day, you could have had a
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Speaker 1: big cornerback. Again, you go against a big receiver, you
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Speaker 1: can challenge him at the catchpoint. That's all. That's all
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Speaker 1: you got to do. That you don't have to worry
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Speaker 1: about it anymore. If you just put a bigger corner
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Speaker 1: on Chase, he'll still run away from that guy. He'll
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Speaker 1: still make it, make a catch underneath and turn into
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Speaker 1: a fifty yard play. And Higgins on the other side
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Speaker 1: will do the same thing. So if you've got Borrow there,
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Speaker 1: who's so intelligent with where he shows the ball, like
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Speaker 1: obviously he had his struggles as a rookie. Every quarterback does,
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Speaker 1: and the charting that I do and the analysis that
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Speaker 1: I do, rookie quarterbacks have never come out looking great
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Speaker 1: because the rookie quarterbacks. But you could see the potential
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Speaker 1: there in what Borrow was doing. His intermediate and his
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Speaker 1: short accuracy is really good. His intelligence is really good
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Speaker 1: to understand not only where to go with the ball,
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Speaker 1: but how to place the ball against the specific coverage
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Speaker 1: to set his receiver up. So when you've got a
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Speaker 1: guy like Chase who works brilliantly in the blind spot
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Speaker 1: of the defender, who works cliantly catching the ball and
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Speaker 1: going after the catch, and the ball is being thrown
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Speaker 1: to the exact spot he needs it to go to,
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Speaker 1: that's that's guaranteed production. It's like, unless you have some
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Speaker 1: amazing turnaround where he suddenly drops the ball all the time,
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Speaker 1: that's the only thing that's going to stop him. And
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Speaker 1: that's something that could happen to any receiver. So if
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Speaker 1: that's your only concern, you've got no concerns. I always
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Speaker 1: find that like prospects, prospects like this, they're the most
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Speaker 1: boring prospects because every they're good at everything. You know,
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Speaker 1: Like if we start talking about Patrick Mahomes and we're like,
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Speaker 1: lot's Patrick Mahomes good out and we can say all
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Speaker 1: these things, then we can say, whatt's Patrickhomes bad at?
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Speaker 1: And we'll go, um, he's kind of even consistent sometimes
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Speaker 1: and that's kind of it. That's kind of what it's
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Speaker 1: like with Chase, where you're just you're sitting there and
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Speaker 1: you're a superative actor, superlative, are superlative and it sounds
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Speaker 1: like you're just a big fan and reality is he's
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Speaker 1: just that good. You know, that's the kind of boring
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Speaker 1: we like. Here in Cincinnati, we're talking to analyst Key
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Speaker 1: and Fayhe you can subscribe to see all of his
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Speaker 1: content for just a few bucks a month like I
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Speaker 1: do at patreon dot com. You showed several clips that
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Speaker 1: showed Jamar Chase subtly pushing off to get separation. Is
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Speaker 1: that good or is he going to get penalized for
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Speaker 1: that in the NFL? So that is a scale. Okay,
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Speaker 1: this is like, oh, I haven't Odell Beckham to Mike
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Speaker 1: Evans scale and I'm surprised we haven't had a rule
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Speaker 1: change with Mike Evans and he's gotten better out of it.
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Speaker 1: But when Mike Evans is coming out of college, he
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Speaker 1: was just running around pushing guys like it was like
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Speaker 1: it wasn't football what he was doing. He would extend
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Speaker 1: his arm fully and just push away from defenders and
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Speaker 1: get called for all the time. That's what actually happened
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Speaker 1: that much room in the NFL. Maybe its because the
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Speaker 1: rules have changed and or maybe he's just gotten better,
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Speaker 1: but so when you're pushing him off, smart pushing pushing
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Speaker 1: off is pushing off in such a way that the
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Speaker 1: officials can't see it. And Odell when he was at
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Speaker 1: LSU in college, he had he had actually one player
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Speaker 1: that always sticks with me where he ran a post
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Speaker 1: route and then it was Mettenberger through the ball behind him.
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Speaker 1: Not no surprise there, but Mettenberger threw the ball behind
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Speaker 1: him and he had to work back through the defender
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Speaker 1: and he actually used his elbow to move the defender
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Speaker 1: and move the defender while his hand was going the
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Speaker 1: other way to catch the ball and reach back for
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Speaker 1: the ball fall to the ground. And it's this very
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Speaker 1: subtle thing that you'll see the defender like falling down
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Speaker 1: on the broadcast angle and you kind of wonder, how
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Speaker 1: did that happened, And then they'll show you'd replay and
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Speaker 1: you'll just see that little elbow going in on his side,
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Speaker 1: moving him out of the way and get giving a
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Speaker 1: clear path for the ball. And that's the type of
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Speaker 1: thing the chase can do. And the Beckham to Evan's
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Speaker 1: scale is on Evan's side you've got receivers who just
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Speaker 1: don't know understand the subtlety of it. They're just pushing
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Speaker 1: everyone like you're at Chicago Bears re seiver last ye
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Speaker 1: who just popped someone out of the middle of no where.
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Speaker 1: He'd be like on that side of the scale where
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Speaker 1: he can't tell you anything that he's doing. And on
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Speaker 1: the Beckham side you've got guys like actually, Aja Green
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Speaker 1: was great this as well. All Actually one of the things,
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Speaker 1: all of the elite receivers are great at this because
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Speaker 1: it's the only way you can beat great carbacks. So
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Speaker 1: great carbacks will stick with you and stay tight to
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Speaker 1: your body, true your road, and then the separation only
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Speaker 1: comes at the last second. And how you get that
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Speaker 1: separation is with your hands or which your elbows rotten
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Speaker 1: in your hands in tight So what that means is
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Speaker 1: when your body is on their body, it's the hand
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Speaker 1: that's hidden from the officials. So your outside hand you
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Speaker 1: don't want to use. You want to use the hand
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Speaker 1: that's snapped in tight together between your two bodies and
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Speaker 1: just shift them over the way. It's like that ship
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Speaker 1: like a cotton the SIUs Canal. You couldn't grab it
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Speaker 1: and turn it their own. You have to leverage it
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Speaker 1: out there. So he's great Like that they should have
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Speaker 1: called him, he would have done the job. Yeah, that
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Speaker 1: that ship wasn't real subtle in the the canal. Does
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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase remind you of anybody? I've heard people say
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Speaker 1: an Quan Balden, but running a four three eight instead
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Speaker 1: of a four to six, does anybody come to mind
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Speaker 1: for you? I always like those comparisons where this guy
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Speaker 1: but a massive difference between this. Yeah, I think Odell
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Speaker 1: is kind of where I've kind of leaned. I think
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Speaker 1: the scary named like kind of want to say that
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Speaker 1: I don't want to say is Calvin. The only reason
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Speaker 1: I don't want to say that is Calvin Johnson reached
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Speaker 1: the level that no one should ever be expected to reach.
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Speaker 1: Like he's the only guy I think you can talk
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Speaker 1: about with Jerry Rice and Randy Moss on that kind
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Speaker 1: of a level. But in terms of talent, in terms
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Speaker 1: of skill set, he does literally everything, Like you can't
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Speaker 1: turn around and say we asked him to do this,
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Speaker 1: He has to do that, or he has to play
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Speaker 1: in one certain area. He can only be one type
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Speaker 1: of coverage that's just not the reality of what it is.
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Speaker 1: And that's generally how you would compare a receiver to
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Speaker 1: another receiver, like if you were I'm just trying to
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Speaker 1: think of a normal comparison there when aj Green and
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Speaker 1: Julio Jones came out, and Julio Jones was the superior athlete,
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Speaker 1: but Adria Green was a phenomenal athlete as well, and
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Speaker 1: he was so incredibly fluid and is that you guys
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Speaker 1: got to see that for ten years. The unbelievable adjustments
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Speaker 1: he made makes it the catchpoint, the unbelievable plays and
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Speaker 1: routes he ran despite his size. I think Chase has
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Speaker 1: some elements of that to him, where he's that kind
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Speaker 1: of fluid, but he's also the level of Julio Jones,
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Speaker 1: where the athleticism is there and the eleticism of him
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Speaker 1: winning in different ways is there. So I think is
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Speaker 1: there a perfect style comparison? Probably not. Is there a
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Speaker 1: level of comparison you can hear in the receivers I've
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Speaker 1: talked about there, said Odell. Aj Green, Julio Jones, and
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Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson, Like they're four of the best receivers in
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Speaker 1: the last fifteen years. So if you get anything close
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Speaker 1: to any of those guys, you're going to be delighted.
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Speaker 1: And probably Odell is the one who doesn't fit as
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Speaker 1: much because he's not bigger like the other guys. But
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Speaker 1: even then, like the size doesn't really matter that much
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Speaker 1: because if Chase was two inches shorter, he'd still be
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Speaker 1: able to do all this with doacular things he does.
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Speaker 1: So the extra two inches is just a bonus, nice
11:46
Speaker 1: thing for Key and Fahey, there's been a big debate
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Speaker 1: in Cincinnati for months. Give Burrow better protection by taking Sewell,
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Speaker 1: give Burrow an elite weapon by taking Chase. They chose Chase?
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Speaker 1: Did they make the move? I understand why there is
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Speaker 1: a thought process that a better offensive line will keep
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Speaker 1: you healthy and will protect your quarterback. And maybe there's
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Speaker 1: some reality in that, because if you get hit three
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty times in a year, and said of
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Speaker 1: four hundred times in a year, you're probably less likely
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Speaker 1: to get injured. But the reality is that likely or
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Speaker 1: that percentage is probably like two or three percent, because
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Speaker 1: you're still getting hit three hundred and fifty times. Look
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Speaker 1: at Eli Manning spent this whole year between the offensive
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Speaker 1: lines that couldn't block. Look at Carson Wentz played behind
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Speaker 1: one of the best offensive lines I've seen in the
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Speaker 1: last twenty five years and got injured in a scramble play.
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Speaker 1: You're a quarterback, You're going to get hit like that's inevitable.
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Speaker 1: Even when your protection holds up perfectly, you're still going
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Speaker 1: to get hit, and you're gonna get bumped, and you're
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Speaker 1: gonna get knocked around. Yes, there's a great argument for protection.
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Speaker 1: Like with that said, protection is hugely, hugely important, but
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Speaker 1: you also have to understand the way this league is moving.
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Speaker 1: The way this league is moving is get as many
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Speaker 1: weapons as you can get. You get guys who will
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Speaker 1: let your quarterback get the ball out quickly, guys on
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Speaker 1: the outside who will make the defense scared of blitzing,
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Speaker 1: which makes the defense far more predictable. Now, and you've
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Speaker 1: got and actually this has come back to your original
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Speaker 1: question about how Borrow and Chase together is really promising
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Speaker 1: because Borrows the type of quarterback who can figure out
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Speaker 1: where to go with the ball very quickly and get
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Speaker 1: the ball out very quickly. He's not someone who needs
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Speaker 1: to hold it, needs to see the receiver come open.
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Speaker 1: So if you have two guys on the outside, they
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Speaker 1: were going to win quickly, and you've got Tyler boy,
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Speaker 1: who can obviously win quickly. You now have an opportunity
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Speaker 1: for Borrow to kind of play the way Tom Brady
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Speaker 1: played for so long, where catches the ball, it's gone,
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Speaker 1: catches the ball, it's gone, catches the ball, it's gone.
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Speaker 1: Not to say he will be Tom Brady, because that
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Speaker 1: again is like comparing to Calvin Johnson. It's an unfair
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Speaker 1: standard to put on people, but like that's a major
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Speaker 1: part of how the relationship between Brady and his offensive
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Speaker 1: line work. For so many years in New England, the
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Speaker 1: offensive line there was always very, very good, but they
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Speaker 1: were benefited by the ball coming out quickly, and that
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Speaker 1: was part of having Edelman and Welker and Gronk and
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Speaker 1: guys who just got open really quickly. So there are
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Speaker 1: different ways to protect your quarterback. There are different ways
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Speaker 1: to make your offense function. And since I don't really
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Speaker 1: want Borrow to be going under center, taking deep drops,
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Speaker 1: hitting deep shots off of play action all the time,
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Speaker 1: you want him to be catching the ball and releasing
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Speaker 1: it all the time. It makes sense to have that receiver. Now,
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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you ignore your offensive line issues. But
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Speaker 1: like the other aspect of this is you're still pretty
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Speaker 1: excited about Jonah Williams. You're you're not like concerned about
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Speaker 1: having to start him. Riley Reef right tackle should be fine,
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Speaker 1: Like that shouldn't be any major concern. So even now
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Speaker 1: that you have gone weapons over improved protection and over
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Speaker 1: Seul and Soul great player obviously as well. No, you
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Speaker 1: couldn't really have gone wrong with this pick. It makes
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Speaker 1: a lot of sense for the short term, but it
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Speaker 1: also makes a lot of sense for the long term
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Speaker 1: for the identity of what the team will be. And
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Speaker 1: you can build around this triangle of Higgins, Chase and
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Speaker 1: Borrow and and you've still got a couple of editans
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Speaker 1: there who are pretty damn good. So you can't really
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Speaker 1: complain about what you've gotten now. It's it's a loading Garstle. Actually,
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Speaker 1: it reminds me of years and years ago Mike Tomlin
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Speaker 1: with Ben Roethlisberger took the line of Swede and with
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Speaker 1: Shared Mendenhall in the first round. Didn't work out. Like
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Speaker 1: Mendenhall obviously had a decent career but got injured. This
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Speaker 1: first year line of Swede was a disaster. But those guys.
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Speaker 1: The top process there was we had a quarterback who
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Speaker 1: could deal with the offensive line, and I thought the
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Speaker 1: tough process of it was really really smart and it
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Speaker 1: actually could have worked. They just missed on the players.
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Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna miss on this player, so
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Speaker 1: I'm not concerned about that. But the thought process and
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Speaker 1: ideology of it, it's it's fine, it works and it
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Speaker 1: makes sense. Key And this has been great. I love
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Speaker 1: your content. I can't recommend subscribing enough to people at
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Speaker 1: with a hint of fruit flavor. Zach Taylor and Jamar
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Speaker 1: Chase spoke to reporters shortly after the Bengals made their selection.
15:58
Speaker 1: I've picked out a few of them most interesting things
16:00
Speaker 1: they had to say. Beginning with the Bengals head coach.
16:05
Speaker 1: We need to be more explosive, you know, that's one
16:07
Speaker 1: of the things that we lacked these last two years, really,
16:09
Speaker 1: and and so adding a guy like Jamar Chase when
16:12
Speaker 1: you already got TV and you got t Higgins and
16:14
Speaker 1: then we got good depth behind him as well, and
16:16
Speaker 1: then you look at some of the other playmakers we
16:18
Speaker 1: got on offense. We're really excited about the direction we're headed.
16:21
Speaker 1: One are the things I heard a lot talking with
16:23
Speaker 1: Jamar's high school coach is just his work ethic. How
16:27
Speaker 1: much of that was a part of your decision as well. Absolutely,
16:32
Speaker 1: he fits everything that we're about here and Cincinnati. That's
16:35
Speaker 1: one of the things you can get. That's where Joe
16:37
Speaker 1: Burrow comes into play. You know, you get a chance
16:39
Speaker 1: to talk about a guy's work ethic, and for Joe
16:41
Speaker 1: to talk about how much time they spend together even
16:43
Speaker 1: in the spring, you know, just outside of football and
16:46
Speaker 1: working on a one on one outside of time team activities,
16:49
Speaker 1: tells you what you need to know about about him
16:52
Speaker 1: and that he's going to fit right in with what
16:54
Speaker 1: we're doing on offense and as team Zach. How much
16:57
Speaker 1: did Joe campaign for Jamar and how much of that
17:01
Speaker 1: success they had in twenty nineteen player role in this pick.
17:05
Speaker 1: That's not really Joe's style, you know. I know that
17:07
Speaker 1: was reported out there that that's not how he goes
17:09
Speaker 1: about his business, you know. But I certainly went to
17:11
Speaker 1: him and ask him specific questions about about not only there,
17:14
Speaker 1: but of the players he's played with, and you could
17:17
Speaker 1: tell that he had a great fondness for Jamar. He
17:19
Speaker 1: would be excited to play with him again if that's
17:21
Speaker 1: the direction we headed. But again that that's not really
17:23
Speaker 1: Joe style to come up and say, hey, we need
17:26
Speaker 1: to be taking this guy that that didn't happen at all.
17:29
Speaker 1: Did the offensive lying depth Zach, in this draft make
17:32
Speaker 1: it easier to take a wide receiver in round one?
17:36
Speaker 1: We feel like there's some guys available that can help us.
17:39
Speaker 1: We also feel like, you know, getting Jana back healthy,
17:41
Speaker 1: getting Riley Reef over there at right tackle, that that
17:45
Speaker 1: we got some guys coming back that will help us
17:47
Speaker 1: that maybe weren't available to us all of last year.
17:49
Speaker 1: And and so again, there will be some players in
17:52
Speaker 1: this draft that that's a position we will continue to address,
17:54
Speaker 1: but felt good about adding Jamar with the fifth pick.
17:58
Speaker 1: When you asked Joe Burrow for some information about Jamar,
18:02
Speaker 1: was there anything especially impactful or any story that he
18:07
Speaker 1: shared that you really resonated with you? I don't know
18:10
Speaker 1: that I needed a lot of convincing necessarily. I just
18:13
Speaker 1: said a scale of one to ten, what would be
18:15
Speaker 1: your excitement level if we had a Jamar chase? And
18:17
Speaker 1: he said ten, And that's pretty good answer. It appeared
18:22
Speaker 1: that Jamar was wearing orange and black shoes. I don't
18:25
Speaker 1: know if he anticipated this or hoped for it, or
18:27
Speaker 1: if I'm just reading too much into it, but how
18:30
Speaker 1: did he react when you made the call? You could
18:33
Speaker 1: see there was some excitement there. You know, he was
18:35
Speaker 1: always in Cleveland with his family, and you could hear
18:37
Speaker 1: the cheers in the background. And it's one of those
18:40
Speaker 1: experiences I don't take for granted, being able to share
18:43
Speaker 1: that news with somebody and its life changing news. And
18:46
Speaker 1: I could tell the excitement level. You could see whoever
18:49
Speaker 1: was behind him was excited as well, So it was
18:51
Speaker 1: a really cool experience. Jamar attended the draft with his
18:54
Speaker 1: family as well. As LSU head coach at Or Jaron
18:58
Speaker 1: and wide receivers coach Nicky Joseph. Here are a few
19:01
Speaker 1: of Jamar's comments to the Cincinnati media. It was an
19:06
Speaker 1: amazing feeling, you know, getting that call, of course, you know,
19:09
Speaker 1: being a fifth pick. I just couldn't really believe it
19:12
Speaker 1: at the most part. You know, I was wondering who
19:14
Speaker 1: was actually calling my phone, Like like if somebody really
19:16
Speaker 1: calling me right now? And uh I see no Ohio
19:21
Speaker 1: area code and I just was like, this is it?
19:24
Speaker 1: And uh hey, coach called me. Coach Coach called me
19:27
Speaker 1: and told me he's like, we're gonna We're gonna draft
19:30
Speaker 1: you and make your Cincinnati Bengal your more. Twitter was
19:33
Speaker 1: losing its mind about the shoes when they saw your
19:36
Speaker 1: shoes with the orange and blacks, So we have to know, um,
19:40
Speaker 1: crazy was that Was that planned out thinking like the
19:43
Speaker 1: Bengals might take you? Did you have a good feeling
19:45
Speaker 1: they might, did you want them to? I mean, what
19:47
Speaker 1: was the thought process in that? It's crazy because the
19:50
Speaker 1: shoes were actually not This was the last minute pick
19:53
Speaker 1: with the shoes actually, and it just hops so happened
19:56
Speaker 1: to be with the orange color. You know, I like
19:57
Speaker 1: them to like how they look with my suit, and
19:59
Speaker 1: I stayed with it, so I even had to go
20:01
Speaker 1: get an orange handkerchief just to make sure it looked correctly. Jamara,
20:06
Speaker 1: you mentioned the excitement to play with Joe again. Do
20:10
Speaker 1: you feel like you guys can be even more dangerous
20:11
Speaker 1: in the NFL than you were at LSU? Definitely? You
20:14
Speaker 1: know there's always room to grow, and I think this
20:17
Speaker 1: is not a way another chance for me to grow
20:18
Speaker 1: and also a Joe. I definitely can learn more about
20:21
Speaker 1: the game because he definitely taught me some stuff when
20:24
Speaker 1: I was at LSU, So I think this will be easy.
20:27
Speaker 1: Did he call and wish your congratulations yet or text?
20:30
Speaker 1: I actually don't know. My phone has been ringing in
20:33
Speaker 1: my pocket for the past ten minutes. I haven't I
20:35
Speaker 1: haven't took it out of my pocket yet actually, so
20:37
Speaker 1: I'm hoping he called, Jamara. How much have you guys
20:40
Speaker 1: talked to you and Joe about this potential reunion? Me
20:43
Speaker 1: and Joe talked about this maybe like three or four times. Actually,
20:46
Speaker 1: we talked about a good bit of times. He texted
20:49
Speaker 1: me this morning is letting me know, get your bags packed.
20:51
Speaker 1: So I guess that means that was gonna be the pick.
20:53
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was a hint or what.
20:54
Speaker 1: So he sent me that little Texas morning. I was like, okay,
20:58
Speaker 1: I'm ready, bro, I remember you got I kept a
21:02
Speaker 1: list on your mirror. I think at home, you kept
21:04
Speaker 1: a list on your mirror of goals, right, wondering just
21:07
Speaker 1: kind of broadly what they were, and was being the
21:10
Speaker 1: fifth pick in the draft ever on that list? Actually,
21:15
Speaker 1: the fifth pick in the draft was not on that list.
21:18
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be drafted, you know. I think
21:20
Speaker 1: that was the biggest happiness I had all night, you know,
21:23
Speaker 1: being drafted. Um, but you know, everything else is following
21:28
Speaker 1: in place now. It was a playing for a national
21:31
Speaker 1: champion and stuff like that, and getting fat. Yeah. My
21:33
Speaker 1: goals on my on my mirror were you know, um
21:36
Speaker 1: ten touch downs, fifteen hundred yards, one hundred yards of game. Um.
21:40
Speaker 1: I actually had the Building Caff Award in my in
21:42
Speaker 1: on top of my mirror, UM a few games in
21:45
Speaker 1: so I actually know I had a chance of winning
21:47
Speaker 1: it once the season started. Did you have any goals
21:49
Speaker 1: for the pros? I mean, you know, what are you
21:51
Speaker 1: gonna put on your mirror? You know tomorrow? Do you
21:52
Speaker 1: have any goals for your for your pro career. I
21:56
Speaker 1: definitely have some goals. I want to win work good
21:58
Speaker 1: of the year. Um, I want to have ten touchdowns.
22:00
Speaker 1: I don't want to have at least fifteen hundred yards
22:02
Speaker 1: or a thousand yards minimum for this year. Jamar's I'm
22:06
Speaker 1: sure you've seen the new rules where receivers can wear
22:09
Speaker 1: single digit numbers. Are you gonna do? You want to
22:11
Speaker 1: wear number one for the Bengals? That's the plan getting
22:15
Speaker 1: back in one. I think that's that's my goal right there.
22:17
Speaker 1: I think that's what I want to do. Bengals have
22:19
Speaker 1: had some great wide receivers over the years, Jamar, most
22:21
Speaker 1: recently Aj Green and before that, Chad Johnson. Any thoughts
22:26
Speaker 1: on those two guys and following in that legacy. I'm
22:30
Speaker 1: gonna break every record they got at the Bengals. That's
22:32
Speaker 1: my goal right now. I'm telling you right now, I'm
22:34
Speaker 1: gonna break every record they have. I don't know how
22:36
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it, but it's gonna get done. It
22:39
Speaker 1: certainly doesn't lack for confidence. Now, time to recap Round
22:43
Speaker 1: one and look ahead the rounds two and three with
22:45
Speaker 1: my broadcast partner Dave Lapham Lap For the longest time,
22:49
Speaker 1: I've been saying that I was a member of Team Sewel.
22:52
Speaker 1: I kept joking I was a card carrying member of
22:54
Speaker 1: Teams Sewel. But as the hours went by leading up
22:58
Speaker 1: to the draft, I can honestly say that I had
23:00
Speaker 1: kind of flipped over to Team Chase. I don't know
23:03
Speaker 1: if it's because I thought they were going to take
23:05
Speaker 1: Chase and I was preparing myself for it, but it
23:09
Speaker 1: really swung so much that when Atlanta was on the
23:12
Speaker 1: clock and we were waiting to see if they were
23:15
Speaker 1: going to take Kyle Pitts, I actually got nervous that
23:18
Speaker 1: they are going to take Chase. Yeah. Yeah, I think
23:22
Speaker 1: I think the Bengals probably have a little angst there too,
23:25
Speaker 1: because that would not have been been out of the
23:28
Speaker 1: realm of possibility. There was no question about that. Um,
23:31
Speaker 1: they're all worthy of top five picks, of course, and
23:35
Speaker 1: and UH and Chase and Uh and Pitts went still
23:40
Speaker 1: when at number seven, Yeah, it was. It was interesting,
23:43
Speaker 1: And honestly, I think the uh, the mindset that the
23:47
Speaker 1: Bengals have in terms of take two and thirty eight
23:50
Speaker 1: our excuse me, take number five and number thirty eight
23:53
Speaker 1: and get the best value. You know, uh played all
23:56
Speaker 1: well because offensive lineman. There were three three offensive linemen
24:02
Speaker 1: taken in the first fourteen selections, and then two more
24:06
Speaker 1: the rest of the draft of the round, so there're
24:08
Speaker 1: only five offensive linemen off the board, and so there's
24:12
Speaker 1: some good choices at offensive line in terms of depth
24:15
Speaker 1: there left in the second round. And then I thought, man,
24:18
Speaker 1: it's going to be tough because there's a lot of
24:20
Speaker 1: edge rushers left as well. Well. Four out of the
24:23
Speaker 1: five last picks in the first round where all edge
24:26
Speaker 1: rush guys. My guy Turner went, try On went, you
24:31
Speaker 1: know another guy that I thought it might be, you know,
24:33
Speaker 1: somebody that you think about Away went and Russo went.
24:39
Speaker 1: So there was a run on that down the stretch.
24:42
Speaker 1: But it still leaves, you know, quite a few offensive
24:45
Speaker 1: linemen for them to think about, that's for sure. And
24:48
Speaker 1: we will definitely break down some of those second round
24:50
Speaker 1: possibilities and maybe even third round possibilities in just a second.
24:53
Speaker 1: Let's get back though to Jamar Chase for just a moment.
24:57
Speaker 1: We were part of the Cincinnati media that took part
25:01
Speaker 1: in Zoom Calls with Zach Taylor, Brian Callahan, the offensive coordinator,
25:05
Speaker 1: and then jamar Chase anything jump out from those conversations
25:09
Speaker 1: to you. Not really, I mean it was all it
25:12
Speaker 1: was all pretty much things that we had heard, you
25:16
Speaker 1: know about about Chase his game. Um. Obviously, the interesting
25:21
Speaker 1: little nugget was that you know, Joe Joe Barrow text
25:24
Speaker 1: to texted him and reached out to him and let
25:25
Speaker 1: him all go ahead and pack your bags. You're coming
25:27
Speaker 1: to uh, You're coming to Cincinnati. So obviously, uh, there
25:32
Speaker 1: was a big uh, a big interest and reunite those
25:35
Speaker 1: two guys with the talents and skills that they showed
25:38
Speaker 1: in that twenty nineteen season for sure. Um, but I
25:42
Speaker 1: think the one thing that struck me about him is
25:45
Speaker 1: he's got a he's got a personality. He's got a
25:47
Speaker 1: good sense of humor. I was, I was thoroughly entertained
25:51
Speaker 1: by the guy. Yeah, I thought, I think that, uh,
25:54
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna bring a little bit of juice
25:56
Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways to the locker room.
25:58
Speaker 1: And uh, first and foremost though, is the electric play.
26:03
Speaker 1: I think that he's going to be. He's going to
26:05
Speaker 1: be somebody that obviously Joe Burrow knows how consistent a
26:09
Speaker 1: player he can be, how explosive a player he can
26:12
Speaker 1: be and uh, and I think that's gonna that's gonna
26:16
Speaker 1: raise the boat, There's no question about it. I thought
26:19
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor was interesting when he said early on, we
26:22
Speaker 1: need to be more explosive offensively. So that was obviously
26:26
Speaker 1: a key reason why they elected to go with Jamar
26:28
Speaker 1: Chase over Pinney Suel or others. And then when Brian
26:32
Speaker 1: Callahan talked about in the current NFL, you can't hold
26:35
Speaker 1: on to the ball anymore, like the days of the
26:37
Speaker 1: seven step drop are over. You've got to get rid
26:40
Speaker 1: of it quickly because the pass rush has become so
26:43
Speaker 1: fierce and as a result, you need guys that can
26:46
Speaker 1: win quickly as wide receivers, and Jamar Chase definitely gives
26:50
Speaker 1: them somebody that can do that. I agree with that,
26:53
Speaker 1: and the thing I also liked the comment that Bryan
26:57
Speaker 1: Callahan made when he said his mindset is to score
27:01
Speaker 1: every time he gets his hands on the football, and
27:04
Speaker 1: that you know, he's a touchdown maker extraordinary in twenty
27:08
Speaker 1: nineteen with twenty of them. Uh he and he led
27:10
Speaker 1: the country with twenty four plays of over twenty yards.
27:13
Speaker 1: So the explosive this the ability to finish the ability
27:17
Speaker 1: to you know, take the ball the distance. Um you
27:20
Speaker 1: know that, uh, you know those those all all or
27:24
Speaker 1: something that you're starving for. And I think, honestly, this
27:29
Speaker 1: guy runs. He's such a good running with the ball.
27:31
Speaker 1: After the catch, you can line him up in the
27:34
Speaker 1: backfield and run a toss sweep with the guy. I
27:36
Speaker 1: think he's that good of a runner. He's got a
27:39
Speaker 1: low center of gravity's he's strong where he needs to be,
27:41
Speaker 1: strong in his lower body, and I think he's gonna
27:44
Speaker 1: be and I think he's gonna be tough to tackle.
27:46
Speaker 1: I think he's going to break a lot of tackles
27:48
Speaker 1: and with that four three four speed, man, I'm telling you,
27:52
Speaker 1: and look look for some big plays from him. I
27:55
Speaker 1: look for him to be a big contributor in the
27:58
Speaker 1: screen game, know, the wide receiver screen game, the alley screens,
28:02
Speaker 1: the slot screens. And I like his position versatility. You know,
28:05
Speaker 1: he a lot of people think that he could be
28:10
Speaker 1: he could project to be one of the best outside
28:12
Speaker 1: receivers in the game as well as one of the
28:14
Speaker 1: best inside receivers in the game. And he didn't show
28:17
Speaker 1: any bashfulness. And the other thing I liked about him
28:20
Speaker 1: was his confidence. You know what what, I'm going to
28:24
Speaker 1: break those records with the records of AJ Green and
28:27
Speaker 1: chat out Joe Sinkers. I'm going to break those records.
28:29
Speaker 1: That's my goal. And I don't think it's uh you know,
28:33
Speaker 1: I think it's just confidence that I don't there's a difference,
28:37
Speaker 1: I guess between cockiness and confidence, and we'll see which
28:40
Speaker 1: which one he is. But uh, I like it. I
28:43
Speaker 1: like the fact that he feels like he's going to
28:45
Speaker 1: be a playmaker, make plays, do a lot of good
28:48
Speaker 1: things and and add to the explosiveness or the football team.
28:52
Speaker 1: Like Zach was talking about, he basically moves into the
28:55
Speaker 1: starting lineup in the spot that AJ Green played last year,
28:58
Speaker 1: and AJ last year had no explosiveness. His game basically
29:02
Speaker 1: had become run a slant box, a guy out used
29:06
Speaker 1: his height in his reach to make the catch maybe
29:09
Speaker 1: a game eight to ten yards. There wasn't much after
29:12
Speaker 1: the catch. Obviously, AJ did all of those things early
29:15
Speaker 1: in his career, but last year he was more or
29:17
Speaker 1: less a box out your defender, possessioned receiver. And Jamar Chase,
29:23
Speaker 1: on the other hand, is a guy that can take
29:24
Speaker 1: one of those slants and go eighty yards. Yeah. And
29:28
Speaker 1: the thing is, you know, I was I was very
29:30
Speaker 1: interested in seeing when AJ came back to the mix,
29:35
Speaker 1: how are they going to cover. Are they're gonna put
29:37
Speaker 1: the number one corner on him? Will it be number two?
29:39
Speaker 1: Number three? A lot of times it was number three,
29:41
Speaker 1: and he wasn't winning consistently, you know, against that number
29:44
Speaker 1: three guy. So now you're talking about you know, Chase
29:48
Speaker 1: and te Higgins and then Tyler Boyden slot Man, You've
29:53
Speaker 1: got somebody, somebody is going to have the lesser corner.
29:57
Speaker 1: And I think I think the perfect spot for Chase
30:01
Speaker 1: is get that x X receiver spot. You know where
30:04
Speaker 1: you're split in. You're out there by yourself. It's one
30:07
Speaker 1: on one. You know, if they roll coverage that way,
30:10
Speaker 1: Tee Higgins and Tyler boy they're gonna they're gonna feast
30:13
Speaker 1: on the other side of the football. So, you know,
30:15
Speaker 1: I think that formationally and people fill in those formation
30:20
Speaker 1: spots in creating mismatches and matchup favorable matchups for the
30:25
Speaker 1: Bengals in the passing game is going to be a
30:27
Speaker 1: big deal. All right. So let's move on today two
30:32
Speaker 1: rounds two and three. The Bengals will have the sixth
30:35
Speaker 1: pick in the second round. They had the fifth pick
30:36
Speaker 1: in the first, but they've got the sixth pick in
30:38
Speaker 1: the second round, number thirty eight overall, and then they're
30:41
Speaker 1: back to the fifth pick in the third round, which
30:43
Speaker 1: will be number sixty nine overall. We certainly would anticipate
30:48
Speaker 1: that they're going to go offensive line in the second round.
30:51
Speaker 1: I suppose an edge rusher is possible, but offensive line
30:56
Speaker 1: seems to be the most likely scenario. As you pointed out,
30:59
Speaker 1: five offensive linemen were taken in round one. Piney Sewell
31:03
Speaker 1: was the seventh pick, Rashaan Slater went thirteenth, Elijah Vera
31:07
Speaker 1: Tucker went fourteenth, alex we Leatherwood seventeenth to the Raiders.
31:13
Speaker 1: That was a guy that a lot of people had
31:14
Speaker 1: kind of targeted as a Cincinnati possibility. In round two
31:18
Speaker 1: he went middle of round one, and then Christian Derrisau
31:21
Speaker 1: went to the Vikings at number twenty three. So that
31:23
Speaker 1: leaves a lot of good offensive lineman. Now keep in mind,
31:26
Speaker 1: they do pick sixth, so you know one or two
31:29
Speaker 1: of these offensive lineman will probably go before they pick
31:32
Speaker 1: in the second round, unless they elect to move up.
31:35
Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily anticipate that but the highest ranked offensive
31:40
Speaker 1: lineman according to most of the things that I've looked
31:43
Speaker 1: at that did not get selected was Tevin Jenkins from
31:47
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State twenty fourth on Dane Brugler's board, twenty first
31:52
Speaker 1: on the Athletics Consensus board where they looked at a
31:54
Speaker 1: lot of the different big boards, thirty first according to
31:58
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus. So everybody to have a first round
32:00
Speaker 1: grade on Tevin Jenkins six six three fifteen pounds, thirty
32:05
Speaker 1: three and a half inch arms, but he didn't go.
32:08
Speaker 1: He didn't go, and and supposedly he plays for the
32:11
Speaker 1: Nasty Street You supposedly he's very, very physical, and you
32:15
Speaker 1: know a lot of people had him going to the
32:18
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers. I saw in some mocks going there, and
32:22
Speaker 1: you know that's he's an AFC North kind of guy.
32:25
Speaker 1: So I think that he's got to be somebody that
32:28
Speaker 1: is potentially one that they're targeting. But what could happen
32:33
Speaker 1: is exactly what happened at the end of the first round,
32:35
Speaker 1: where four out of the five picks, New Orleans went
32:38
Speaker 1: edge rush, Green Bay went went in the secondary, and
32:42
Speaker 1: then Buffalo and Baltimore and Tampa Bay all went edge rush,
32:46
Speaker 1: So four out of five guys because edge rush. Not
32:50
Speaker 1: many edge guys had gone, so there was a run
32:53
Speaker 1: on them. So now everybody's shuffling their board just like
32:57
Speaker 1: the Bengals are doing, and they're saying, wow, I mean,
32:59
Speaker 1: there's some value with the offensive line, so they don't
33:02
Speaker 1: pick till number six. So honestly, Dan, I still think
33:06
Speaker 1: there are six candidates out there, though, you know, Jenkins
33:09
Speaker 1: being one of them. Obviously, Lyndon Dickerson there must be
33:13
Speaker 1: some sort of an injury issue because a lot of
33:16
Speaker 1: people had him going in the first round. He didn't
33:18
Speaker 1: get drafted. The center out of Alabama and he's probably
33:20
Speaker 1: the only Alabama Crimson Tide player that didn't get drafted
33:24
Speaker 1: in the first round. Gosh, six of the first twenty
33:26
Speaker 1: four guys were Crimson Tide players, I mean right there.
33:31
Speaker 1: But you know, Jackson Carmen's there, Lean Pikenberg's there, Dylan
33:36
Speaker 1: ray Dunns is there. You know, there are still guys
33:39
Speaker 1: there in the in that uh, you know, second round though,
33:42
Speaker 1: I think still have quite a bit of value, so
33:45
Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting. Samuel Cosby also did not
33:49
Speaker 1: go out of Texas, so one of the highly ranked
33:51
Speaker 1: offensive lyman Walker litter A Walker Little, a person that
33:54
Speaker 1: you've mentioned before out of Stanford. Now he is an
33:58
Speaker 1: injury issue guy. And Landon Dickerson did have a torn
34:02
Speaker 1: acl last year, so that's a big reason why he's
34:05
Speaker 1: still on the board. But you know, the guys that
34:08
Speaker 1: we've just mentioned have been mentioned as first round candidates
34:13
Speaker 1: in many cases and they're still there. So they are
34:17
Speaker 1: going to have the opportunity to get a highly graded
34:20
Speaker 1: offensive lineman in round two. Well, I mean, you know,
34:24
Speaker 1: Dickerson obviously has the rehabit from the knee, like you said, Dan,
34:28
Speaker 1: but shoot, I saw him doing like a cartwheel down
34:32
Speaker 1: there during the pro day, so I'm wondering how seriously
34:35
Speaker 1: affected he might be. But I mean, okay, say we
34:39
Speaker 1: go guys that would still be on the board. The
34:42
Speaker 1: people would think highly rated this offensive lineman, depending on
34:45
Speaker 1: your need, interior or on the edge. Landon Dickerson, Jackson, Carmen, Ikenberg,
34:51
Speaker 1: Rad Dons caused me walk a little. That's six right there.
34:56
Speaker 1: So the Bengals are going to get one of them.
34:58
Speaker 1: I mean, if every everybody takes one, they still end
35:02
Speaker 1: up with a guy that I think would would make
35:05
Speaker 1: sense and they'd say, hey, you know what we were
35:07
Speaker 1: right when you take the value of going receiver at
35:11
Speaker 1: five and an offensive lineman at thirty eight as opposed
35:15
Speaker 1: to taking Penney Seul, and then what kind of receiver
35:18
Speaker 1: would be left? You know at thirty eight, they're they're
35:21
Speaker 1: probably right, or I guess it's to be determined. You
35:25
Speaker 1: certainly can't just you know, assume it. But I don't
35:29
Speaker 1: think they'll have a problem with any one of those
35:32
Speaker 1: potential candidates being there when they pick at thirty eight.
35:36
Speaker 1: In the offensive line, I think that, you know, Frank
35:39
Speaker 1: Pollack will be happy. What do you think the likelihood
35:42
Speaker 1: is at this point of double dipping offensive lineman rounds
35:47
Speaker 1: two and three, or are there so many guards in
35:50
Speaker 1: this draft that the more likely scenario is offensive line
35:55
Speaker 1: edge rush or defensive lineman and then come back for
35:59
Speaker 1: an interior type lineman in round four. I'm thinking that
36:02
Speaker 1: might be a little bit more of the play because
36:06
Speaker 1: you know, if you if you double dip, if you
36:10
Speaker 1: go offensive lineman in the third round, there there are
36:12
Speaker 1: guys out there like Spencer Brown, Dante Smith. I mean
36:15
Speaker 1: guys like that. In my estimation, I mean Spencer Brown
36:19
Speaker 1: in the in the early third round. That's a good fifth.
36:23
Speaker 1: You know, I guess I guess you'd have to say,
36:26
Speaker 1: all right, well, we're taking offensive lineman at thirty eight,
36:29
Speaker 1: what's the run on edge rushers? There's more depth in
36:33
Speaker 1: the offensive line than edge rush probably, but you know,
36:35
Speaker 1: did the did the edge rush get damaged in terms
36:38
Speaker 1: of a run in round two? And it's clear cut,
36:41
Speaker 1: you know when we get into at sixty nine that
36:44
Speaker 1: it's that it's going to be it's gonna be uh
36:47
Speaker 1: you know that that offensive lineman instead of going back
36:51
Speaker 1: to back, that sixty nine guy will be the edge
36:54
Speaker 1: best edge guy that's left as opposed to another offensive
36:58
Speaker 1: lineman in consecutive rounds two and three. So unless there's
37:02
Speaker 1: a big disparity, Dan, you know, I mean, it's if
37:04
Speaker 1: your board dictates, you know, it's closed. It's only we
37:09
Speaker 1: got we have an edge rush guy that we've got
37:12
Speaker 1: rated at at sixty five, and we have an offensive
37:16
Speaker 1: lineman that we got rated at sixty nine. Well, we'll
37:19
Speaker 1: probably go at the edge rush guy. You know, but
37:22
Speaker 1: if we're reversed, what would you do? Would you go
37:24
Speaker 1: at the offensive lineman? Would you go at the edge
37:26
Speaker 1: rush guy. It's going to be interesting, but the good
37:29
Speaker 1: news is they'll they'll have some options there. I wrote
37:33
Speaker 1: down the names of six edge rushers that are still
37:36
Speaker 1: available now. Some of these guys are going to go
37:39
Speaker 1: in round two, so if the Bengals go offensive line,
37:42
Speaker 1: these guys won't all still be there in round three,
37:45
Speaker 1: but maybe one or two still is. Carlos Basham from
37:49
Speaker 1: Wake Forest is still there. Had eleven sacks a couple
37:51
Speaker 1: of years ago, two hundred and seventy four pounds and
37:54
Speaker 1: ran a four five nine forty. Joseph Osi from Texas
37:59
Speaker 1: is still there. Unbelievable athletic freak two hundred and fifty
38:04
Speaker 1: six pounds, did an eleven foot basically an eleven foot
38:07
Speaker 1: broad jump. Ronnie Ronnie Perkins from Oklahoma is still there,
38:11
Speaker 1: although he might be a character a question mark because
38:15
Speaker 1: he was a suspended early portion of last year after
38:18
Speaker 1: failing a drug test. I know in a previous conversation
38:21
Speaker 1: with you you've mentioned the name Dioodangbo from Vanderbilt two
38:26
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five pounds, thirty five and a half
38:29
Speaker 1: inch arms, explosive athlete, team captain, although I guess he
38:33
Speaker 1: had a recent achilles issue, but certainly a candidate to
38:37
Speaker 1: keep an eye on. You've got Rashad Weaver from pitt
38:41
Speaker 1: you have Quincy Rochet from Miami. You started out his
38:43
Speaker 1: college career at Temple, set the all time sacks record
38:47
Speaker 1: in the American Athletic Conference, and then transferred to Miami.
38:51
Speaker 1: So I saw him when he was still a Temple
38:53
Speaker 1: and he was something special. So those are you know,
38:56
Speaker 1: six names that are still out there as possible Ledge
38:59
Speaker 1: Rush candidates. Yeah, and Cameron Sample. You know, some people
39:03
Speaker 1: talk about a little bit the kid from tulane Um,
39:06
Speaker 1: Like you said, vander Belt kids has got he's got
39:09
Speaker 1: that Achilles issue. But man, he is long. I mean
39:13
Speaker 1: eighty six and a half inch wingspan. I mean that's
39:16
Speaker 1: a condor. It's unbelievable. Um, you know, and he's he's uh,
39:21
Speaker 1: he's versatile. You know, he can rush inside and rush
39:24
Speaker 1: on the edge. He's got some twitchiness to him. He's
39:26
Speaker 1: got a good first step. You know, I'd like that guy.
39:30
Speaker 1: My man, Peyton Turner went pretty high. You know, I didn't.
39:32
Speaker 1: I didn't. I was hoping that he might be there
39:35
Speaker 1: as a consideration at thirty eight. But boy, he went, uh,
39:38
Speaker 1: you know, he won ten ten spots higher. I think
39:41
Speaker 1: he went at twenty eight. If I'm not mistaken to
39:44
Speaker 1: New Orleans eight to the Saints, that is correct. Yeah, yeah,
39:48
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be uh, it's gonna be interesting to
39:51
Speaker 1: see how it plays out. But there's gonna be plenty
39:54
Speaker 1: of options on the board. That's the good news. Dan
39:56
Speaker 1: is you know, sixth six pack in that second round,
40:00
Speaker 1: and you know, I wonder if the phone starts ringing
40:03
Speaker 1: a little bit again, if somebody has somebody targeted and
40:07
Speaker 1: you can pick up an extra third round pick and
40:10
Speaker 1: don't move back too far. I mean, we're talking about
40:12
Speaker 1: six offensive linemen another half a dozen defensive lineman, it
40:16
Speaker 1: might be okay with I mean, if you could move
40:18
Speaker 1: back from the sixth pick in that second round to
40:20
Speaker 1: number ten or number twelve, you know, no further than that,
40:24
Speaker 1: and pick up an extra third or fourth round guy
40:27
Speaker 1: might might want to think about that. There's there's no
40:30
Speaker 1: reason not to. How about defensive tackle Milton Williams out
40:34
Speaker 1: of Louisiana Tech is a third round candidate. That's a
40:37
Speaker 1: name that's been attached to the Bengals and quite a
40:39
Speaker 1: few mock drafts. A little undersized for tackle six three,
40:43
Speaker 1: two eighty four pounds, but a great athlete ran a
40:45
Speaker 1: four six three forty, had ten sacks over the last
40:49
Speaker 1: couple of years, typically in that kind of seventy to
40:53
Speaker 1: ninety range on most of the you know, the big boards,
40:57
Speaker 1: and that would be the sixty ninth pick in the draft.
40:59
Speaker 1: I would have no problem with that, you know. I mean,
41:04
Speaker 1: I think in a perfect world, I'd like to see
41:07
Speaker 1: an edge guy, you know, that could that could give
41:10
Speaker 1: the versatility or rushing as a three technique inside as
41:14
Speaker 1: well in the nickel. You know, I guess I would
41:16
Speaker 1: like to go that route if if at all feasible.
41:20
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't have a problem honestly, you know, both
41:23
Speaker 1: both lines of scrimmage, I would have no issue with them,
41:27
Speaker 1: adding you know, depth and productivity up and down the
41:31
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage on both lines of scrimmage. It it
41:33
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a problem to me at all. All right,
41:36
Speaker 1: just for the fun of it, let's make a prediction
41:39
Speaker 1: on the second round pick. Let's throw, well, each throw
41:43
Speaker 1: out a name. We assume it's going to be an
41:45
Speaker 1: offensive lineman or maybe you don't. I don't know, but
41:48
Speaker 1: let's throw out a name for who they will take
41:51
Speaker 1: with a thirty eighth pick. In the draft, assuming they
41:53
Speaker 1: do not trade back, I'll say I can burden leam
41:59
Speaker 1: Ikenburg from Notre Dame. Do you think he'll be a
42:02
Speaker 1: think he'll be a guard in the NFL? Or will
42:04
Speaker 1: he stay at tackle? I think he's a guard. I
42:06
Speaker 1: think he's a guard in the NFL. You know my
42:08
Speaker 1: other I would I'd probably either go Red Duns or Eikenberg.
42:14
Speaker 1: I'd probably go amongst those two guys. All right, so
42:18
Speaker 1: you take Eikenberg, I'll take Dylan Radens. I think it's
42:22
Speaker 1: pronounced from North Dakota State. Yeah, left tackle there. Do
42:26
Speaker 1: you think he's a guard in the NFL? Or do
42:29
Speaker 1: you think he stays at tackle? I think he's got
42:32
Speaker 1: a better chance to stay at tackle. He's a little
42:35
Speaker 1: bit longer. Ye, he's got thirty four arms instead of
42:37
Speaker 1: thirty two and a half inch arms. That's what Eikenberg's
42:40
Speaker 1: issue is. But Eikenberg's found a way to overcome it.
42:45
Speaker 1: And Eikenberg's less than eighty inch reach, whereas Raduns is not.
42:51
Speaker 1: He's up over that. So the measurable say that that
42:55
Speaker 1: that's a possibility. The other guy, though, I mean cosm
42:59
Speaker 1: was round or in a lot of mocks, I mean,
43:01
Speaker 1: Cosmo was a first round guy as well as Walker
43:04
Speaker 1: Little was the first round guy in some mocks as well.
43:07
Speaker 1: So if you want to go pure tackle, you know,
43:10
Speaker 1: I think maybe those guys caused me and Walker Little
43:13
Speaker 1: you know, would be potential candidates as well. And I guess, yeah,
43:17
Speaker 1: we have no idea you know what the other five
43:21
Speaker 1: teams ahead of the Bengals are going to do. But
43:23
Speaker 1: I'd be good with any of those bad boys. And
43:25
Speaker 1: there there's no way. I shouldn't say, no way, but
43:28
Speaker 1: it would be mighty crazy all five people took offensive
43:35
Speaker 1: piment for the Bengals with that six pick in the
43:37
Speaker 1: second round, wouldn't you agree? I'd be shocked if that
43:41
Speaker 1: were the case. We didn't even mention Tevin Jenkins. In
43:44
Speaker 1: my case, I'm assuming he goes in those first five
43:47
Speaker 1: picks of the second round. Me too, I think when
43:49
Speaker 1: people reset their board, they're gonna be like, what, Kevin
43:54
Speaker 1: Jenkins is still there? And I think guys like you know,
43:57
Speaker 1: cause me, Walker Little, those guys something I think, particularly
44:02
Speaker 1: if you project to plate be able to play that
44:04
Speaker 1: tackle position, you know you're gonna be You're gonna be
44:07
Speaker 1: the higher, the more likely candidate to go. So I
44:10
Speaker 1: think we're looking at guys that are you know, more
44:13
Speaker 1: tackle guard candidates that that might might be there, and
44:17
Speaker 1: and probably a higher chance of being there. But man,
44:21
Speaker 1: if one of those tackles showed up, bingo, man, jump
44:24
Speaker 1: on that bad boy. All right, it's late. I'm now
44:28
Speaker 1: a card carrying member of Team Chase, looking forward to
44:32
Speaker 1: rounds two and three and talking again tomorrow night. Yeah,
44:35
Speaker 1: I mean, it'd be a great draft. And if you know,
44:39
Speaker 1: got the receiver, get an offensive lineman and edge rushed
44:43
Speaker 1: guy in the third round, go back to old line
44:45
Speaker 1: in the fourth round. And you know, I mean if if,
44:48
Speaker 1: if guys in the fourth round, if guys like you know,
44:52
Speaker 1: Tommy Doyle, potentially a guy out of University Miami of Ohio,
44:57
Speaker 1: if he's there in the fourth round, he might be
45:00
Speaker 1: you know, a good possibility. You just uh, you don't
45:05
Speaker 1: know at that point. That's that's a big projection. You
45:07
Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen, never mind in the
45:10
Speaker 1: in the second round, the third round yet. So but
45:13
Speaker 1: I still think, and a lot of people you know,
45:16
Speaker 1: are obviously in this school of thought. I think that
45:19
Speaker 1: there's plenty of depth in the offensive line. I think
45:22
Speaker 1: they can attack it again in the fourth round, Dan,
45:24
Speaker 1: and not be embarrassed. I really do, especially with an
45:27
Speaker 1: interior guy, no doubt, no doubt. I agree. I think
45:32
Speaker 1: I think guards and centers. I think it's a deep
45:35
Speaker 1: guard draft. I think a lot of these tackles gonna
45:38
Speaker 1: end up playing guard. And I think it's just a
45:41
Speaker 1: very very deep draft to guard position. The Bengals can
45:43
Speaker 1: do some damage in the rounds two and rounds four.
45:48
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna crack a beer and put this
45:50
Speaker 1: podcast together. You go to bed. We'll talk again tomorrow.
45:55
Speaker 1: Sounds like I can play, my man. I'll tell you
45:57
Speaker 1: i'd be I'd be a one bear and out guy
45:59
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46:05
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46:08
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