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- 0:12Speaker 1: All right, nine o'clock hour, run a little bit late.
- 0:14Speaker 2: You know those roundtable guys.
- 0:16Speaker 3: But a blah blah blah blah. It's Chuck Palace, Ashley
- 0:19Speaker 3: Ryan with you here on this Thursday. No Bucky Jacobson today,
- 0:22Speaker 3: Ed take a couple of days off. We're gonna have
- 0:24Speaker 3: Mike Sando join us at nine thirty here today to
- 0:27Speaker 3: preview Thursday night football. Also get his thoughts on the
- 0:30Speaker 3: Seahawks here at the bye. But in the meantime, I
- 0:34Speaker 3: know a lot of people still have Mariners on the brain.
- 0:37Speaker 3: I'm trying not to overdo it, but it is still
- 0:40Speaker 3: kind of what I want to talk about all the time.
- 0:42Speaker 2: It's all that anyone's talking to me about. Is that right? Yeah?
- 0:45Speaker 3: I even had a moment where I've even gotten sick
- 0:48Speaker 3: of talking about baseball, believe it or not, Like off there,
- 0:51Speaker 3: not during the shows.
- 0:52Speaker 1: The shows is where I want to do it.
- 0:53Speaker 3: But I even went and got sushi yesterday and ended
- 0:55Speaker 3: up in an hour conversation about where Dan went wrong.
- 0:59Speaker 2: Yeah, I was giving that yesterday. What do you think?
- 1:02Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't know. My brain still hurts,
- 1:04Speaker 2: my heart still hurts.
- 1:05Speaker 3: It's not that I don't love it, and I dove
- 1:06Speaker 3: right back into the conversation with my friend. But nonetheless,
- 1:10Speaker 3: I mean, I've just pretty much talked about baseball for
- 1:14Speaker 3: nothing but two weeks.
- 1:15Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot.
- 1:16Speaker 3: And yet here we go again, because I'm going to
- 1:18Speaker 3: title this segment manage Angerment. Oh yeah, I like that,
- 1:24Speaker 3: because there are a lot of strange things. There are
- 1:26Speaker 3: some odd things going on right now in Major League
- 1:28Speaker 3: Baseball in terms of the managerial hirings that have taken place.
- 1:33Speaker 2: And so I'm just going to start.
- 1:35Speaker 3: I'm just going to throw this out, and then I'll
- 1:36Speaker 3: explain why I'm throwing it out. Is it out of
- 1:38Speaker 3: the question that Dan Wilson is not back next year?
- 1:43Speaker 3: And it's certainly nothing that I would wager on that
- 1:46Speaker 3: he wouldn't be back next year, But I also don't
- 1:49Speaker 3: think it's out of the question. And I'll get to
- 1:52Speaker 3: that here in my own peculiar way. All Right, this
- 1:57Speaker 3: has been a strange hiring period in Major League Baseball.
- 2:01Speaker 3: Number One, the Giants just hired a college baseball coach,
- 2:06Speaker 3: Tony Vvittello.
- 2:07Speaker 2: He was very fun, He's fairly very fun.
- 2:10Speaker 3: But nobody knows that this is going to work. This
- 2:12Speaker 3: has not happened since like nineteen eighty.
- 2:13Speaker 2: Yeah, that somebody.
- 2:15Speaker 3: This happens all the time in college football and in
- 2:18Speaker 3: college basketball, that a really great coach is like, hey,
- 2:22Speaker 3: you want if you ever thought about coaching in the pros.
- 2:24Speaker 3: I mean, Mike Krzyzewski was rumored for thirty years to
- 2:28Speaker 3: go to the pros and he never did.
- 2:29Speaker 2: So it happens all the time. That's not news.
- 2:32Speaker 3: This is news that somebody would hire somebody was just
- 2:36Speaker 3: I mean, Pat Murphy was a college manager and then
- 2:40Speaker 3: but he sat on the bench with Craig Counsel in
- 2:43Speaker 3: Milwaukee for years, and then when Craig Counsel jumped over
- 2:47Speaker 3: to Chicago, they asked Pat Murphy if he wanted the job,
- 2:50Speaker 3: and he felt he'd learned enough about the major league
- 2:52Speaker 3: games sitting there being the right hand man for Craig Counsel.
- 2:55Speaker 3: Thought he was still young enough, so he took the job.
- 2:57Speaker 3: But to go with a young, like forty year old
- 3:00Speaker 3: old college baseball coach and make him a manager of
- 3:04Speaker 3: a major league team hasn't happened in nearly fifty years,
- 3:08Speaker 3: and so that's crazy. Kurt Suzuki got hired by the
- 3:12Speaker 3: Angels on a.
- 3:14Speaker 2: One year contract.
- 3:17Speaker 1: Can you imagine that a one year contract?
- 3:19Speaker 2: I mean that I prove it.
- 3:20Speaker 1: They always, yeah, talk about prove it.
- 3:22Speaker 3: They always talk about like, well, I can't be on
- 3:24Speaker 3: my last year of my contract. No, the players will
- 3:27Speaker 3: take me seriously. And here are the Angels saying, we'll
- 3:30Speaker 3: hire you, but we don't really believe in you. So
- 3:34Speaker 3: one year, prove it or you're out.
- 3:37Speaker 2: Yeah. He's signed quite a few people too.
- 3:39Speaker 3: A lot of people, yeah, including Albert Pooles and Tory Hunter, Angels, legends.
- 3:45Speaker 2: So that's weird.
- 3:47Speaker 3: There there's a chance Scott's Service could be a manager
- 3:49Speaker 3: next year. He's being interviewed everywhere. Wouldn't it be strange
- 3:52Speaker 3: if Scott Service is managing somewhere next year in Major
- 3:55Speaker 3: League Baseball and Dan wasn't. Yeah, now I don't think
- 3:58Speaker 3: that that's going to happen. Happen, but I guess I'm
- 4:01Speaker 3: pointing out stranger things are happening. And look, we are
- 4:05Speaker 3: in a championship window, and we've been in it for
- 4:08Speaker 3: a while. We haven't always acted that way since entering
- 4:12Speaker 3: this window.
- 4:14Speaker 1: Well, front office ownership, they've not.
- 4:17Speaker 3: Acted like we're in a championship window at all times.
- 4:20Speaker 3: They've come up a little short in off season and
- 4:23Speaker 3: even trade deadlines. But I will defend them a little
- 4:25Speaker 3: bit because when we made the playoffs in twenty twenty two,
- 4:29Speaker 3: they were very aggressive at the trading deadline and we
- 4:31Speaker 3: made the playoffs. This year, we make the playoffs, we
- 4:35Speaker 3: were very aggressive at the trading deadline. We were also
- 4:37Speaker 3: very aggressive the previous year and ended up falling one
- 4:42Speaker 3: game short. But at the time in the past, Jerry
- 4:45Speaker 3: and Justin aren't making by trades at the deadline like
- 4:50Speaker 3: they did a year ago. So three of the last
- 4:51Speaker 3: four years aggression at the trading deadline. I think they've
- 4:55Speaker 3: done really well at the trading deadline, but I do
- 4:58Speaker 3: remember times where they had one foot in the boat
- 5:01Speaker 3: and one foot out of the boat. Kendall Graveman year
- 5:03Speaker 3: as an example, Paul seawalld year as an example. And
- 5:07Speaker 3: so they haven't always acted like.
- 5:10Speaker 1: We're in a championship window.
- 5:11Speaker 3: And I don't know why you go through all the
- 5:13Speaker 3: hard and brilliant work of creating the foundation that you've
- 5:16Speaker 3: created if you aren't going to.
- 5:18Speaker 2: Just go for it every year.
- 5:20Speaker 3: To a degree, I'm not saying all in, I think
- 5:23Speaker 3: that's a stupid statement to make.
- 5:24Speaker 2: In Baseball to.
- 5:25Speaker 3: Go all in, Oh, prospects are available, I think that's
- 5:30Speaker 3: just I think that's hot air. I don't want to
- 5:34Speaker 3: go all in. What Jerry and Justin want to do
- 5:37Speaker 3: is what I would do if I was a general manager.
- 5:39Speaker 3: They want to create a championship.
- 5:41Speaker 1: Window, and they want to make that window.
- 5:42Speaker 2: As long as possible, as long as possible.
- 5:46Speaker 3: But you can't stop short while you're in the window
- 5:50Speaker 3: of trying to win the championship. And this year they
- 5:53Speaker 3: did a very good job of it. And it's the
- 5:55Speaker 3: closest that we've come ever to getting there. And so
- 6:00Speaker 3: when you're thinking about a manager, and maybe they do
- 6:03Speaker 3: believe they've got the right guy and Dan Wilson and
- 6:05Speaker 3: this is nothing that they're even entertaining, But if you
- 6:09Speaker 3: are sitting there in a year in which he was
- 6:12Speaker 3: bagged pretty hard, not just locally, not just by the
- 6:16Speaker 3: loud mouths on Twitter, not just the trolls, the faceless
- 6:20Speaker 3: trolls on social media, but local media, national media, players
- 6:27Speaker 3: who are analysts at MLB network. I mean, he was
- 6:31Speaker 3: questioned all season long for his managerial moves by most
- 6:35Speaker 3: of baseball, and people did worry that that would carry
- 6:41Speaker 3: over into the playoffs and maybe become an issue because
- 6:45Speaker 3: of course those managerial decisions happen faster in the playoffs.
- 6:49Speaker 2: They're more impactful.
- 6:50Speaker 3: You can't be caught snoozing, and I think that to
- 6:53Speaker 3: a degree, Dan Wilson was caught snoozing at the most
- 6:55Speaker 3: important time of the entire year. And so I don't
- 6:59Speaker 3: know if they're having this conversation behind the scenes, but
- 7:03Speaker 3: I don't rule out that in a championship window that Jerry, Justin,
- 7:08Speaker 3: John and whoever else's opinion that they trust that they
- 7:12Speaker 3: know won't get back to Dan aren't having a meeting
- 7:15Speaker 3: somewhere saying is either the right.
- 7:17Speaker 2: Guy or not?
- 7:18Speaker 3: Because I don't want this to be what gets in
- 7:21Speaker 3: the way next year or the following year. Let's make
- 7:25Speaker 3: a decision.
- 7:25Speaker 2: Is he going to learn?
- 7:27Speaker 1: Is he going to be quicker on the draw?
- 7:29Speaker 2: And next season?
- 7:30Speaker 3: Because there's a lot of great things Dan Wilson brings
- 7:33Speaker 3: to the table, a lot of great things that Dan
- 7:35Speaker 3: Wilson brings to the table, but you never know how
- 7:37Speaker 3: they're going to react in the moment in games until
- 7:41Speaker 3: they're actually under that gun. And I don't think Dan
- 7:44Speaker 3: Wilson was good at that during the regular season, and
- 7:48Speaker 3: I don't think he was that good at it in
- 7:50Speaker 3: the postseason. I mean John Schneider made a huge couple
- 7:53Speaker 3: of mistakes as well, and.
- 7:54Speaker 1: They ended up winning the series.
- 7:56Speaker 3: And I think that aj Hinch, who everybody said such
- 8:00Speaker 3: a brilliant manager, he blew it against us in Game
- 8:03Speaker 3: number five, taking Trek schoobl out of the game. So
- 8:07Speaker 3: I do think there is a conversation to be held
- 8:10Speaker 3: somewhere secretively that hopefully Dan never hears it, but they're
- 8:14Speaker 3: gone to converse about is he the right guy? And
- 8:16Speaker 3: if he's not, then we've got to do the painful
- 8:19Speaker 3: thing of popping him from the job and finding the
- 8:23Speaker 3: right guy. Because we can't squander years of the championship
- 8:27Speaker 3: window any longer.
- 8:28Speaker 1: We have to take advantage every single year.
- 8:30Speaker 2: Of what we have. We definitely have to take advantage.
- 8:33Speaker 4: But I do wonder how much of it they're looking
- 8:35Speaker 4: at and saying, you know what, it's just first year manager.
- 8:39Speaker 2: You know, problems, things that we have to work through.
- 8:41Speaker 4: He's going to be a little slower because the last
- 8:43Speaker 4: thing he wants to do is make decisions too quickly
- 8:45Speaker 4: and lose games that way, So he's going to think
- 8:47Speaker 4: them through a little bit longer, and then as he
- 8:49Speaker 4: gets a feel for it more, I would think that
- 8:52Speaker 4: they would expect that he would, you know, it just
- 8:55Speaker 4: has to get a feel for how the game goes,
- 8:57Speaker 4: and then that is going to help shape his judgment
- 8:59Speaker 4: in the future versus is this year. It's because I
- 9:02Speaker 4: do think in certain instances I remember this year too,
- 9:05Speaker 4: when he'd make a decision maybe we thought was too quick,
- 9:08Speaker 4: then he'd get called out for that. So I mean,
- 9:10Speaker 4: he is going to get called out by people for
- 9:13Speaker 4: whether it's you know, too slow of a decision, the
- 9:15Speaker 4: wrong decision, too quick of a decision, if he's pulling
- 9:17Speaker 4: the starter too fast or leaving him into long I mean, well,
- 9:20Speaker 4: it is.
- 9:21Speaker 3: The ultimate skill skill of the manager. It is the
- 9:23Speaker 3: ultimate responsibility because usually like offensive x's and o's kind
- 9:28Speaker 3: of take care of themselves. Maybe you could say when
- 9:31Speaker 3: you bunt, when you try to play small ball, things
- 9:33Speaker 3: of that nature.
- 9:34Speaker 2: But really, the modern.
- 9:36Speaker 3: Manager, there's a reason they're not called head coaches. They
- 9:39Speaker 3: manage personalities. They're trying to get the most out of
- 9:42Speaker 3: the talent that they've been given by the front office.
- 9:44Speaker 3: And I think we all agree he's been given plenty
- 9:46Speaker 3: of talent by the front office, and usually, like the
- 9:49Speaker 3: modern manager, really the most important thing that you do
- 9:52Speaker 3: is make those decisions as to when to take pitchers
- 9:56Speaker 3: out and who to replace them with. Yeah, and if
- 9:58Speaker 3: that's where he's struggling, that's how really mighty area to
- 10:01Speaker 3: struggle in.
- 10:02Speaker 1: I think they're going to stick with them. Yeah.
- 10:04Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with them sticking with him
- 10:07Speaker 3: to your point and seeing how much growth that we
- 10:10Speaker 3: get out of Dan going forward. I think I evaluated
- 10:13Speaker 3: him as a C minus this year, and I didn't
- 10:16Speaker 3: evaluate him as the biggest concern that I had going
- 10:19Speaker 3: into the playoffs.
- 10:20Speaker 2: I remember that, and yet.
- 10:22Speaker 3: I'm still willing to say, hey man, there's a lot
- 10:25Speaker 3: of great qualities here about this guy. The players love him,
- 10:28Speaker 3: they respect him, they trust him, and.
- 10:31Speaker 2: Those go a long way.
- 10:32Speaker 1: Those things go a long way with a manager.
- 10:33Speaker 3: I don't think that's the way Scott ended things with
- 10:36Speaker 3: the clubhouse, and Dan already had it before he took
- 10:40Speaker 3: the job, and I think he still has it today.
- 10:42Speaker 3: At least I haven't heard any murmurings that he's lost
- 10:45Speaker 3: anybody in the clubhouse. So there's something here to work with,
- 10:49Speaker 3: there's something here to build off. Of But I do
- 10:52Speaker 3: wonder if maybe he needs somebody in his ear that
- 10:56Speaker 3: has been there before and has done it before, and
- 11:01Speaker 3: is operating two or three moves ahead, like you need
- 11:05Speaker 3: to be as a manager, especially in the playoffs. I
- 11:08Speaker 3: brought this example up earlier about Joe Torre was a
- 11:12Speaker 3: master at managing person else. Think about what he had
- 11:15Speaker 3: to wrestle with Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter. I mean, all
- 11:20Speaker 3: of these different stars, superstars that he had to get
- 11:23Speaker 3: on the same page, and he was a master. He
- 11:25Speaker 3: was one of the best of all time at it.
- 11:27Speaker 3: Don Zimmer was his ex as an O's guy. Little
- 11:30Speaker 3: Yoda sat right there by his side, whispered things in
- 11:32Speaker 3: his ear. Don Zimmer, who didn't want to deal with
- 11:34Speaker 3: the media, didn't want to deal with personalities, just wanted
- 11:37Speaker 3: to be everybody's buddy on the team. But when it
- 11:40Speaker 3: came to X's and O's, he was the guy that
- 11:43Speaker 3: was really whispered in Joe's ear. Maybe he needs that
- 11:45Speaker 3: type of person.
- 11:46Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think it could hurt.
- 11:47Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think maniact is the guy. If that's
- 11:49Speaker 3: maniactor's role, you need a better guy. Doesn't mean maniact
- 11:53Speaker 3: asked to leave. Maniacta can serve a lot of roles.
- 11:56Speaker 3: I really like Maniacta, but you add too as an
- 11:58Speaker 3: organization make a really difficult admission. This offseason, Jerry particularly
- 12:05Speaker 3: had to say, maybe I don't know what I'm.
- 12:07Speaker 2: Talking about about offense.
- 12:09Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe I do have to turn it over
- 12:12Speaker 3: to offensive experts. And Kevin Sitzer's got a pretty awesome resume.
- 12:17Speaker 3: And so if I just turned this thing over to
- 12:20Speaker 3: Edgar and to Kevin Seitzer, maybe we'll get better results.
- 12:22Speaker 2: We got better results, Yes we did.
- 12:24Speaker 1: That was an admission.
- 12:25Speaker 3: That was Jerry looking in the mirror and saying, am
- 12:29Speaker 3: I too fat for these pants? And saying, yeah, I
- 12:32Speaker 3: think I am. And he got better pants and he
- 12:34Speaker 3: looked better in them. That fits right, right, And so
- 12:37Speaker 3: Kevin sites are fit. Maybe we have to have that
- 12:40Speaker 3: same conversation about what Dan might need to push him
- 12:44Speaker 3: over the top. People are asking me all the time,
- 12:47Speaker 3: all the time, does he make the decisions?
- 12:49Speaker 1: Or to Jerry and Justin, I don't know. They're not
- 12:52Speaker 1: letting me that far inside behind the curtain.
- 12:55Speaker 3: I'll tell you this. Every time I've asked on air
- 12:59Speaker 3: or off air, either one of them. They've always said
- 13:02Speaker 3: Dan makes the decisions, both of them, both Jerry and Justin.
- 13:05Speaker 3: That's Dan, Dan's department, Dan's department. So I think Dan Wilson,
- 13:11Speaker 3: who wasn't a thousand percent short, he wanted to take
- 13:14Speaker 3: over last year. I think that that was part of
- 13:17Speaker 3: the negotiation. If I do this, I don't want to
- 13:19Speaker 3: be micromanaged, and I think they agreed to that, and
- 13:23Speaker 3: so I think they let Dan rip this year. So
- 13:26Speaker 3: maybe not. Maybe everybody's suspicions are that Jerry and Justin
- 13:30Speaker 3: are in his ear all day long, and I don't
- 13:32Speaker 3: think that that has happened. But if it didn't quite
- 13:37Speaker 3: work in that area, and it worked, we wanted a vision,
- 13:40Speaker 3: we're hanging a banner we got to buy. We made
- 13:43Speaker 3: it within nine outs of the World Series. So those
- 13:48Speaker 3: are usually really nice accomplishments for a first year full
- 13:51Speaker 3: time manager. But if you do observe that we could
- 13:54Speaker 3: have gone farther had our manager been better at game
- 13:59Speaker 3: in game decisions, then get him some help. At least
- 14:02Speaker 3: give him a sounding board, somebody who's a little more proven.
- 14:06Speaker 2: Yeah, that can.
- 14:08Speaker 3: At least remind him hey hey hey, hey hey. Springer
- 14:11Speaker 3: and Guerrero are going to be up in the seventh potentially,
- 14:15Speaker 3: do we really want to face them for the last
- 14:17Speaker 3: time in this playoff? As hot as they are, as
- 14:20Speaker 3: good as they are with anyone less than Munnos And
- 14:25Speaker 3: maybe there's somebody that can put that in his ear
- 14:28Speaker 3: that is operating as Dan tries to juggle a thousand
- 14:31Speaker 3: different things and keep all the plates spinning. So maybe
- 14:35Speaker 3: that's the solution. Dan does not deserve to be fired
- 14:39Speaker 3: after what the team accomplished this year, but Dan's got
- 14:42Speaker 3: to get better at certain in game decisions. In my opinion, I.
- 14:47Speaker 2: Think he would say the same thing.
- 14:48Speaker 3: And I don't want this to be the reason again
- 14:52Speaker 3: next year, not like it is the reason. There are
- 14:54Speaker 3: a lot of reasons that went into us getting eliminated. Yes,
- 14:57Speaker 3: our starting pitching been better, it wouldn't have come down
- 14:59Speaker 3: to that decison game number seven.
- 15:01Speaker 1: But I just don't want it to be a reason right.
- 15:04Speaker 2: That, you know we're we we don't.
- 15:07Speaker 3: Make great in game decisions with pitching changes, and so
- 15:11Speaker 3: I think it can be addressed with a simple bench
- 15:13Speaker 3: coach upgrade and nobody has to lose their job and
- 15:18Speaker 3: we get better in the process, because it really is
- 15:22Speaker 3: crucial and I really do think that there was a
- 15:25Speaker 3: mistake made in Game number seven at a really bad time.
- 15:28Speaker 4: Well, and I would think, or I would hope at
- 15:31Speaker 4: least that everybody in the Mariners organization from the top
- 15:34Speaker 4: all the way down to the bullpen catcher, that they're
- 15:39Speaker 4: all looking at at every aspect in saying, Okay, what
- 15:42Speaker 4: is it that we could improve on for next year?
- 15:43Speaker 2: What did I do for sure that needs.
- 15:46Speaker 4: To be You know that that maybe contributed to us
- 15:49Speaker 4: not making it to the World Series, because every single
- 15:51Speaker 4: person in that organization can come up with something that
- 15:54Speaker 4: they they could improve on in order to get us
- 15:57Speaker 4: over that next or past that hump over to the
- 16:00Speaker 4: next step. So I would think I would hope that
- 16:02Speaker 4: Dan is sitting down and having that conversation with Jerry
- 16:04Speaker 4: and Justin and I and his staff and saying, Okay,
- 16:08Speaker 4: where did we fall short and what is it that
- 16:10Speaker 4: we can do together and who could we bring in
- 16:13Speaker 4: to maybe make us even stronger.
- 16:15Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think the conversation is going to be held.
- 16:18Speaker 3: I mean, you think about like Bob Melvin. I don't
- 16:20Speaker 3: think Bob Melvin is going to get another managerial opportunity
- 16:23Speaker 3: that's been a guy that is not exactly full of personality.
- 16:27Speaker 3: I would imagine he and Dan get along. Maybe they're
- 16:29Speaker 3: are trivals. I have no idea, but maybe that's a
- 16:33Speaker 3: guy that sits by his side, that knows Seattle that yeah,
- 16:37Speaker 3: has been here before and after several managerial chances, will
- 16:42Speaker 3: be like, you know, I'd like to just be a
- 16:44Speaker 3: bench coach. I don't want to talk to the media anymore.
- 16:46Speaker 3: Just let me do that role. Joe Madden still doesn't
- 16:49Speaker 3: have a job. What a clever guy to have. Yeah,
- 16:52Speaker 3: you want to talk about a guy that sees two
- 16:53Speaker 3: or three moves ahead. Maybe he wouldn't want to be
- 16:56Speaker 3: a bench coach again like he was for Mike Sosha
- 16:58Speaker 3: once upon a time. Or maybe he's been out of
- 17:00Speaker 3: the game long enough that he sees I'm not going
- 17:02Speaker 3: to get another managerial chance.
- 17:04Speaker 2: I'm getting old.
- 17:05Speaker 3: It would be nice to kind of just fill that
- 17:07Speaker 3: role and to be back into a clubhouse.
- 17:09Speaker 1: Maybe that's a guy.
- 17:10Speaker 3: Maybe Buck Showalter, who's the brightest guy out there still
- 17:14Speaker 3: to this day in terms of his baseball decisions. I
- 17:19Speaker 3: think there's some options out there, and maybe that's the
- 17:21Speaker 3: improvement to the staff that you need next year. And
- 17:24Speaker 3: Dan gets another crack at it, to not just be
- 17:28Speaker 3: the manager next year, but the crack to be our
- 17:30Speaker 3: manager for the next fifteen years throughout this entire period.
- 17:34Speaker 3: Because I think there are a lot of great qualities
- 17:36Speaker 3: about him that if we could just supplement him in
- 17:38Speaker 3: maybe some areas that right now he's deficient at and
- 17:42Speaker 3: probably will get better at them going forward, then maybe
- 17:45Speaker 3: that's the perfect solution. I don't want this to stand
- 17:48Speaker 3: in the way. I don't want it to be a
- 17:49Speaker 3: reason a year from now why we feel that we
- 17:52Speaker 3: didn't advance to the World Series.
- 17:54Speaker 2: So let's address it now, I would agree, all right.
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- 18:04Speaker 3: Oh yes, Mike Sander every week right here on Chucking
- 18:07Speaker 3: Buck in the morning, and no Bucky Jacobson today. But
- 18:10Speaker 3: you better believe Mike Sando reported to Dudeisa. So we
- 18:13Speaker 3: welcome him back to the show.
- 18:14Speaker 5: I Mike, pretty good, got all my sick days left
- 18:18Speaker 5: to you. Oh, I'll get here for you.
- 18:19Speaker 3: You know. Well, thanks, We really appreciate your dedication. All right,
- 18:24Speaker 3: So let's talk Seahawks going into the by five and two.
- 18:27Speaker 3: How are you feeling about our football team here locally?
- 18:30Speaker 5: Pretty darn good?
- 18:31Speaker 2: Yeah, really feel good about him.
- 18:33Speaker 5: You know, I think the defensive performance against Tampa Bay
- 18:36Speaker 5: was concerning, but I think it's a little bit more
- 18:38Speaker 5: of a one off. I think that it was a
- 18:39Speaker 5: combination of probably trying to do too much and then
- 18:43Speaker 5: with guys who are not playing, you know, guys out
- 18:45Speaker 5: so and playing a good offense. So you know, there's
- 18:47Speaker 5: there's more for this team. Like the fundamentals seem pretty
- 18:51Speaker 5: good to me, but I feel like a couple of
- 18:54Speaker 5: these games, like they should have won, like thirty five
- 18:56Speaker 5: to seven, and they still won, you know, twenty to
- 18:59Speaker 5: twelve or whatever it was, twenty seven nineteen the inter night.
- 19:02Speaker 5: Don't you feel like they could have won by way more?
- 19:04Speaker 5: And I think that's that's a good sign, like that
- 19:06Speaker 5: they probably will win some of these by a lot
- 19:08Speaker 5: more later.
- 19:09Speaker 3: JSN has one hundred and ninety more yards receiving than
- 19:13Speaker 3: Jamar Chase, who's second in the league.
- 19:16Speaker 1: Is he in this category?
- 19:18Speaker 3: Is he as good as any receiver in the National
- 19:21Speaker 3: Football League or is he just having the best statistical season.
- 19:26Speaker 5: I think he's in that up Ruchelan category.
- 19:28Speaker 2: You know, I think when we traditionally.
- 19:30Speaker 5: Talk about the number one receivers, we kind of have
- 19:33Speaker 5: in our mind that they look like andre Johnson. Right,
- 19:36Speaker 5: They're six to two, they're two hundred and twenty five pounds,
- 19:38Speaker 5: and they run a two point four forty.
- 19:40Speaker 4: Right.
- 19:41Speaker 5: You know, that's what we kind of think, that's what
- 19:43Speaker 5: you look for, that's what gets picked in the top five. Right,
- 19:46Speaker 5: So we know, you know, JSN is not quite that,
- 19:48Speaker 5: but look around the league, justin Jefferson's not that either.
- 19:51Speaker 5: You know, the top guys in yardage now are not
- 19:54Speaker 5: necessarily the ANDREI Johnson or look like Larry Fitzgerald. You know,
- 19:58Speaker 5: they're not overwhelming big physically. So some of that is
- 20:02Speaker 5: the prolification I think of the three receivers and just
- 20:05Speaker 5: the way the game's played now, and it's it's so
- 20:08Speaker 5: much more scheme oriented than it is just beating your
- 20:10Speaker 5: guy because you're the bigger, better athlete, right, And I thought,
- 20:14Speaker 5: I think I was thinking this the other night. He
- 20:17Speaker 5: can be the best receiver this franchise has had since
- 20:21Speaker 5: Steve Largent.
- 20:23Speaker 2: That's saying a lot.
- 20:24Speaker 5: You know, you know, there's been some good ones so well.
- 20:27Speaker 2: Now that you say it out loud, isn't he? But
- 20:30Speaker 2: I think he is.
- 20:32Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 20:32Speaker 5: I mean you would be talking about Doug Baldwin and
- 20:34Speaker 5: you'd be talking about Brian Blades, you know, DK for
- 20:39Speaker 5: a run, but I think we're seeing that the consistency
- 20:42Speaker 5: that JSN plays with is on another level from DK. Now,
- 20:47Speaker 5: Doug Baldwin was super you know, super consistent and tough,
- 20:51Speaker 5: and let's not just diminish what he brought to the team.
- 20:54Speaker 5: I mean I think he was you know, we're not
- 20:57Speaker 5: crowning after a couple of years here, but I think
- 21:00Speaker 5: we're looking at is Hey, this trajectory's going to continue
- 21:03Speaker 5: for this player, right and he's just starting. He's like
- 21:07Speaker 5: twenty three years old. Yeah, yeah, you know, so uh
- 21:11Speaker 5: it doesn't mean he's past what those guys, some of
- 21:14Speaker 5: those guys have done. But I think you'd bet on well,
- 21:16Speaker 5: we shouldn't bet on anything, I guess now with everything
- 21:18Speaker 5: that's coming out of the news, but you would you
- 21:21Speaker 5: would bet on this if this or a stock, you know,
- 21:26Speaker 5: you'd feel really good about that it's going to be
- 21:30Speaker 5: one of the best in the history of the franchise.
- 21:32Speaker 3: Mike Sando is with us our NFL Insider can follow
- 21:34Speaker 3: him at Sando NFL on Twitter. Since you brought it up,
- 21:39Speaker 3: what kind of day do you think Roger Goodell is
- 21:41Speaker 3: having considering how big a part gambling is in his sport.
- 21:46Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sure they're attuned to this, and this, you know,
- 21:49Speaker 5: puts it in their face even more. I think the
- 21:51Speaker 5: NBA one is I look at it, you know, there's
- 21:54Speaker 5: two different ones. There's the card room thing and then
- 21:57Speaker 5: there's he's over under these in game props, you know,
- 22:02Speaker 5: And to me, the head coach of a team playing
- 22:05Speaker 5: in a car illegal card game is probably not something
- 22:12Speaker 5: that they're worried about. Mike Tomlin showing up at a
- 22:15Speaker 5: card game, I wouldn't think. But the prop bet ones
- 22:19Speaker 5: are to me, those are ripe. And I do think
- 22:24Speaker 5: the NFL's a little bit has advantages and disadvantage. One
- 22:27Speaker 5: disadvantage is there's so many more players.
- 22:29Speaker 2: He would be easy to reach somebody.
- 22:31Speaker 1: But I think there's many more props.
- 22:33Speaker 3: I mean, let's face it, we should not be able
- 22:35Speaker 3: to win money betting on how many assists Terry Rogier
- 22:38Speaker 3: gets in a basketball game.
- 22:40Speaker 5: Absolutely, because Terry can control that even without throwing the game.
- 22:44Speaker 5: He can, right, He can decide to to, you know,
- 22:48Speaker 5: just move the ball a different direction and he wouldn't
- 22:51Speaker 5: even notice, right, and then you still get a bucket
- 22:53Speaker 5: on that possession anyway.
- 22:56Speaker 3: Not like hockey where everybody getting at and assist before that.
- 23:00Speaker 5: I do think though, that it is I say this
- 23:02Speaker 5: even for the NBA stuff that's embarrassing and bad. I
- 23:06Speaker 5: do think that I would rather have this stuff coming
- 23:08Speaker 5: out on these silly props than on the outcome of
- 23:11Speaker 5: a game. A guy just ricking two free throws or
- 23:14Speaker 5: something like that that actually swings the outcome of the
- 23:17Speaker 5: game in a more direct way, which by the way,
- 23:19Speaker 5: is harder to do in the NFL unless you had
- 23:21Speaker 5: a quarterback or a running back or you know, somebody
- 23:24Speaker 5: who is going to fumble on purpose in a key moment.
- 23:27Speaker 5: I just I think that would be kind of hard
- 23:30Speaker 5: to do.
- 23:32Speaker 3: J Lamar Jackson practice yesterday. I guess that's an indication
- 23:37Speaker 3: that there's a chance he'll play against the players on Sunday.
- 23:40Speaker 3: They are one in five, and I think that's the
- 23:42Speaker 3: most shocking thing of this entire football season.
- 23:45Speaker 2: Can they save it still?
- 23:49Speaker 5: I mean, I think that with if Lamar Jackson plays,
- 23:51Speaker 5: they've got a couple of guys back on defense. I
- 23:53Speaker 5: think they can if you look at their schedule, I do.
- 23:56Speaker 5: I think they can get back into the realm of
- 23:59Speaker 5: playing for something late in the year. But what's the
- 24:04Speaker 5: odds that they're not going to have more injuries or
- 24:06Speaker 5: other things that derailed them. I think their defense is
- 24:09Speaker 5: a big issue too. And you know, they've done a
- 24:12Speaker 5: good job over the years of like finding the next coordinator.
- 24:15Speaker 5: I'm just not sure they have the one next one
- 24:17Speaker 5: right now, and so that's my concern for them, and
- 24:20Speaker 5: I think they're going to have a hard time even
- 24:23Speaker 5: if they do rally and get back in of making
- 24:24Speaker 5: a big dent.
- 24:26Speaker 3: Colts, on the flip side, are six and one, that's
- 24:29Speaker 3: the best record in the National Football League. Any chance
- 24:31Speaker 3: that they're the best team in the National Football League, I.
- 24:35Speaker 5: Don't think so, because I think the quarterback well efficient,
- 24:39Speaker 5: you know, I think the I mean, the Chiefs are
- 24:42Speaker 5: playing pretty good ball right now. I don't think we
- 24:43Speaker 5: would go against them, you know, with Mahomes in a
- 24:47Speaker 5: big game type of a situation. But I do think
- 24:50Speaker 5: that the Colts are you know, they were eight nine
- 24:53Speaker 5: last year with a forty seven percent passer, So you know,
- 24:56Speaker 5: I think we've probably just taken for granted that they're
- 24:59Speaker 5: going to fall short every year, and now we're actually seeing,
- 25:04Speaker 5: you know, a competent quarterback who's playing really well with
- 25:06Speaker 5: I think a good play caller I think Styching is
- 25:08Speaker 5: and they also change their defensive play color. I think
- 25:10Speaker 5: they got better for in, you know, single game matchups
- 25:14Speaker 5: with lou An Arumo, which could help them in the playoffs.
- 25:17Speaker 5: So I think they're in the top echelon of the
- 25:19Speaker 5: AFC right now given the state of the AFC, but
- 25:23Speaker 5: I still wouldn't take them over.
- 25:25Speaker 3: Kansas City Chargers started three and oh people were saying
- 25:28Speaker 3: this might be the best team in the NFL, and
- 25:31Speaker 3: they've since lost three out of four. So what are
- 25:34Speaker 3: the Chargers as they get ready for Thursday night football
- 25:37Speaker 3: against the Vikings tonight.
- 25:38Speaker 5: Yeah, they're a little flawed. No, certainly the offensive line issues.
- 25:41Speaker 5: They've been without both starting tackles, which is really the
- 25:43Speaker 5: strength of their team. So you take the strength of
- 25:45Speaker 5: your team and make it a weakness of your team.
- 25:48Speaker 5: I think that has really really hurt their consistency. But
- 25:51Speaker 5: the concern I have is they're given up a ton
- 25:53Speaker 5: of explosive plays on defense Khalil Maxman out. Maybe they
- 25:57Speaker 5: get that back tonight. They're actually favored against Soda, which
- 26:00Speaker 5: has quarterback issues, so I think there's a good chance
- 26:03Speaker 5: they sort of get it back tonight and have a
- 26:05Speaker 5: better game. But that's anytime you're out without your shorting tackles,
- 26:09Speaker 5: and we've seen that when it happened to Seattle, it's
- 26:11Speaker 5: going to be really, really tough. And I think that's
- 26:13Speaker 5: that's their identity. Jim Harbaugh came in there and said,
- 26:16Speaker 5: we're drafting an offensive tackle and we think that's a weapon.
- 26:20Speaker 5: That's their identity. So they've really lost that and I
- 26:22Speaker 5: think it's been hard for them to recover.
- 26:24Speaker 3: I peg them today, laid the points three and a
- 26:26Speaker 3: half in our Factor fiction contest.
- 26:28Speaker 2: Am I going to be right?
- 26:30Speaker 5: Probably?
- 26:31Speaker 2: Probably?
- 26:32Speaker 1: That's not very convincing, Mike.
- 26:34Speaker 5: This stuff was convincing. We would all be living in mansions, okay,
- 26:38Speaker 5: we'd all be having our own I'd be having the
- 26:40Speaker 5: east wing of my house. You got to do a
- 26:42Speaker 5: three hundred million dollar ballroom right now, if we knew
- 26:45Speaker 5: how to do it.
- 26:46Speaker 1: Wait a minute, are you telling me gambling is risky?
- 26:49Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I feel bad even joking about it
- 26:53Speaker 5: because people get hooked into it. I was, It's just
- 26:56Speaker 5: a rough deal, you know, really rough.
- 26:59Speaker 1: Yeah, really all right, Mike, thank you. Enjoying the football tonight.
- 27:02Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next week. Thank you, all right.
- 27:05Speaker 3: Mike Sando joining us right here on Chucking Buck in
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- 27:29Speaker 2: Yeah, just looking at us, nuts.
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- 27:35Speaker 1: One last thing next on KJR?
- 27:48Speaker 3: All right, final segment here on this Thursday, Ashley, what
- 27:52Speaker 3: do you got today?
- 27:53Speaker 4: Well, there were some accolades handed out for the Mariners today,
- 27:56Speaker 4: potentially well not well. Julio and Cal named to the
- 28:00Speaker 4: twenty twenty five Sporting News AL All Star Team. Okay,
- 28:04Speaker 4: and then the and then who oh, Dan was named
- 28:07Speaker 4: Sporting News AL Manager of.
- 28:09Speaker 2: The Year by that Yeah, okay, interesting, right, interesting?
- 28:13Speaker 4: And then also because that's not enough, Cal, Julio and
- 28:15Speaker 4: Polanco are Silver Slugger Awards finalists.
- 28:18Speaker 2: And the Mariners are out for Team of the.
- 28:19Speaker 1: Year Team of the Year. That's the last one I
- 28:22Speaker 1: would want to win.
- 28:23Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.
- 28:24Speaker 1: Want to hear all of the naysayers like a banner.
- 28:28Speaker 4: Yeah, which on that note, Yeah, real quick about hanging
- 28:32Speaker 4: a banner. You won the American League West, you won
- 28:35Speaker 4: your division. You should put up a banner for winning
- 28:39Speaker 4: your division, and every team that wins their division puts
- 28:43Speaker 4: up a banner for winning their division.
- 28:46Speaker 2: I believe.
- 28:47Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I don't know.
- 28:49Speaker 4: So I don't think that because you didn't make it
- 28:51Speaker 4: to the World Series.
- 28:53Speaker 2: Winning the AL West this year for the first.
- 28:57Speaker 4: Time in twenty four years, Yeah, I don't think that's
- 29:00Speaker 4: something to scoff at.
- 29:02Speaker 2: Did we make it to the World Series?
- 29:03Speaker 4: No?
- 29:04Speaker 2: Is that a disappointment?
- 29:05Speaker 4: Yes, But does that mean that the entire season is
- 29:07Speaker 4: a disappointment.
- 29:08Speaker 1: No.
- 29:09Speaker 3: It was a successful season, yes, you know, and that's
- 29:12Speaker 3: that's just bottom line truth of it all. Was it
- 29:15Speaker 3: a disappointing end, Yes, it sucked to get that close
- 29:18Speaker 3: to something that has eluded this city for forty nine
- 29:23Speaker 3: years of franchise history.
- 29:24Speaker 2: Absolutely.
- 29:26Speaker 3: I liked what Softie said when we had him on
- 29:28Speaker 3: today He's like, he hasn't even thought about being angry, Yeah,
- 29:31Speaker 3: because he's so sad.
- 29:33Speaker 4: Yeah. I was sad too, and I haven't been mad.
- 29:35Speaker 4: It's just it was just a sucky, sad feeling. I
- 29:39Speaker 4: wanted it for our city. I wanted it for those
- 29:41Speaker 4: guys on the team. I wanted it for myself. Yeah,
- 29:44Speaker 4: but I'm not going to take that sadness and take
- 29:49Speaker 4: away from anything that this season gave us.
- 29:51Speaker 1: Yeah, it was it was a ride.
- 29:53Speaker 2: It was well you what that was one heck of
- 29:56Speaker 2: a ride.
- 29:56Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 29:56Speaker 4: Some people are saying, well, we didn't make it to
- 29:58Speaker 4: the World Series, so nothing else mad, But that's just
- 30:00Speaker 4: not true.
- 30:02Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not true.
- 30:03Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're going to get there. You're going to
- 30:05Speaker 1: get there. I know you're sick of hearing it, but
- 30:07Speaker 1: it's going to happen. It's going to happen soon. It's
- 30:09Speaker 1: going to happen multiple.
- 30:10Speaker 2: Times, I hope. So what do you have?
- 30:11Speaker 1: I've got WNBA news.
- 30:16Speaker 3: Earlier this week, Adam Silver said, Oh, we're going to
- 30:19Speaker 3: give WNBA players the big pay raises they deserve, but
- 30:23Speaker 3: they are going to be fixed. And that part of
- 30:25Speaker 3: fixed salaries and then that part of it apparently the
- 30:28Speaker 3: union is like, no, absolutely not. So they're a long
- 30:32Speaker 3: way away from being able to settle their differences. And
- 30:35Speaker 3: I've said this now for the last couple of years.
- 30:38Speaker 3: It's time to end it. It's time to divorce. The
- 30:42Speaker 3: NBA has been carrying the WNBA financially for a long time.
- 30:47Speaker 3: WNBA says, we don't need you to do that anymore.
- 30:49Speaker 3: We were making our own revenue and we want our
- 30:51Speaker 3: salaries to reflect that. The NBA can just get back
- 30:55Speaker 3: to being a men's league and just continue doing what
- 30:58Speaker 3: you're doing.
- 30:59Speaker 2: Let them go.
- 31:00Speaker 3: And then on the WNBA side, it's time to for
- 31:03Speaker 3: you to find out how difficult it is to run
- 31:06Speaker 3: a league. But you now get to chart your own course.
- 31:11Speaker 3: So for the WNBA, I say it is time for
- 31:14Speaker 3: you to divorce from the NBA. Start your own league.
- 31:18Speaker 3: Get a bunch of investors to start your own league.
- 31:22Speaker 3: Maybe create team names that aren't terrible.
- 31:25Speaker 2: Yeah it'd be nice.
- 31:25Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be nice, and just start it all over,
- 31:29Speaker 3: have a draft everything else.
- 31:31Speaker 2: Yeah, they just said, Robin Roberts just invested in.
- 31:33Speaker 4: It's like a four hundred and fifty million dollars valuation
- 31:36Speaker 4: for the league or something.
- 31:37Speaker 2: I mean Yeah, there you go.
- 31:38Speaker 3: Just break off on your own and then you can
- 31:42Speaker 3: find out how lucrative you can actually be all the
- 31:45Speaker 3: players on an individual basis, how lucrative the league would
- 31:47Speaker 3: be without having to not trust what you're hearing from
- 31:51Speaker 3: the NBA. So that would be my recommendation. Start your
- 31:55Speaker 3: own league. It's time to do it. Now, find your
- 31:56Speaker 3: own investors, and then make your own rule for just
- 32:00Speaker 3: how rich you're.
- 32:01Speaker 1: All going to get.
- 32:02Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm tired of this little dispute going back
- 32:05Speaker 3: and forth.
- 32:06Speaker 2: I get it all right, We'll talk to you tomorrow
- 32:07Speaker 2: at six am.
- 32:08Speaker 3: Coming up next, it's MJ and it's Christopher Kidd on
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