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Hutton & Withrow: Lane Kiffin & LSU Go to WAR With the SEC? Plus, Titans Fans Defend Cam Ward | Hour 1 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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  Speaker 1: We are out of the gates on Sporting State. It
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  Speaker 1: is Hutton and Withrow and we are presented by Hard
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  Speaker 1: Rock Bet. Chad Withrow, I'm Jonathan Hutton. Chad, good to
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  Speaker 1: see you, brother.
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  Speaker 2: Good to see you, Hutton. Good to be back here
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  Speaker 2: on a Tuesday. September is here. We are out of
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  Speaker 2: the dog days of August and we are now into
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  Speaker 2: a legitimate.
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  Speaker 3: Football month, so I'm pumped. You have your Crockett coffee
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  Speaker 3: in front of you? I do.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, is there a day that goes by that
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  Speaker 2: I don't have my Crockett coffee in front of me?
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  Speaker 3: I've got some coffee as well.
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  Speaker 2: I've got a really good system now, Hutton, where because
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  Speaker 2: yesterday I timed it poorly where I had to get
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  Speaker 2: up like segment two to go get my second cup
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  Speaker 2: of coffee.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And today I've timed it.
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  Speaker 2: Up where I just chugged the first cup of coffee.
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  Speaker 3: Immediately before the show starts.
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  Speaker 2: About 10 minutes before we go live, I go and
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  Speaker 2: I pour my second cup of Crockett coffee.
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  Speaker 3: And look at this.
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  Speaker 2: My cup overfloweth as I talk to you right now
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  Speaker 2: with cup number two.
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  Speaker 1: My goal by the end of the week is I
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  Speaker 1: have to look down to look at you. My goal
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  Speaker 1: is to be able to look up here and look
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  Speaker 1: at you the way you look at me.
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  Speaker 2: I can see you beautifully out of this side eye
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  Speaker 2: that I'm giving you right now in front of me.
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  Speaker 2: And let me tell you, you look great. I hate
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  Speaker 2: this look. I got to share a nice story last night.
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  Speaker 2: I'm at the ballpark with my youngest daughter, Lucy. And
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  Speaker 2: there's a mom that I once coached with years ago,
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  Speaker 2: married to a singer-songwriter.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So, you know, nice looking woman.
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  Speaker 2: And walking around the park, and she just looks up
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  Speaker 2: and sees me, and she goes, man, you're ripped to me.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, wow. I said, it must just
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  Speaker 2: be the shirt doing a lot of heavy lifting here,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of work. And she's like, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: you've definitely been working out. You've definitely been working out.
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  Speaker 3: Is this an episode of Tires? Thank you so much
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  Speaker 3: for the confidence lift. Yeah, it's a secret shopper. I
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  Speaker 3: felt like it was a secret shopper situation. I was like, oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, just the first thing, it's not like, hey, hello,
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  Speaker 2: how you doing?
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  Speaker 3: How are the kids doing?
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  Speaker 2: You're ripped.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, hey, I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you
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  Speaker 3: to the mom at the ballpark last night. You're like
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  Speaker 3: Will on tires getting the pump in.
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  Speaker 2: My confidence is overflowing, but I'm sure that angry Titans
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  Speaker 2: fans are going to put my confidence right back where
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  Speaker 2: it needs to be, which we'll get into later.
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  Speaker 1: They're not happy about I-ass. I told you, there's a
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  Speaker 1: difference between we-ass and I-ass.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone's just throwing... You know, cartwheels over we-ass and I-ass. No, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: No I-ass.
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  Speaker 2: How dare you claim he's not accountable? He's the most
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  Speaker 2: accountable human being I've ever seen in my life. He
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  Speaker 2: takes the blame for everything.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Titans are accountable, all right. We'll talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: They're accountable for a lot of losses. We'll talk about
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  Speaker 3: the response later.
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  Speaker 1: They have nine regular season wins in 50 games.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They're really owning those losses, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Win some games and win some respect. That's the way
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  Speaker 1: I say it. And if you want some national televised games,
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  Speaker 1: earn it. Yeah, well, look, we'll get into this coming up.
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  Speaker 1: But I've got a message for Titans fans. And the
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  Speaker 1: gist of the message will be DBAP. Also, I've got
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  Speaker 1: a message for Lane Kiffin, Hutton. And my message for
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  Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin is not DBAP, but don't.
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  Speaker 4: Be an idiot. And DBAP.
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  Speaker 3: And DBAP.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and a little bit of DBAP, too. So Lane
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  Speaker 2: Kiffin yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: Or SBAP. SBAP.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin yesterday in a press conference is talking about
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  Speaker 2: his decision-making process on bringing back NFL players, and he's
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  Speaker 2: discussing his conversation with his player leadership about if and
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  Speaker 2: when and how they were going to make this move.
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  Speaker 3: Here's Lane Kiffin.
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  Speaker 4: Decisions. And probably not what most coaches do.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like my decisions should always be made in
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  Speaker 5: the best interest of the players that sit in this
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  Speaker 5: team room. And not for my reputation and how the
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  Speaker 5: decisions play in the national media or other fan bases.
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  Speaker 5: I've never been that way, and that could be wrong.
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  Speaker 5: It's probably part of my story why it is the
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  Speaker 5: way it is. But those players and the people that
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  Speaker 5: hire me always know he's constantly.
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  Speaker 4: Trying to do the best thing for them.
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  Speaker 5: So I struggled with it a lot. There's a lot
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  Speaker 5: of factors into it and different things.
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  Speaker 4: And one that.
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  Speaker 5: I struggled too was, okay, this late, even though that's
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  Speaker 5: what you do in the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: And there's an argument. These players are paid like that.
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  Speaker 5: And it's what happened yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: In the NFL.
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  Speaker 5: New players come in and take people's spots and add
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  Speaker 5: it to rosters. And other guys have been there working.
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  Speaker 5: So I met with our leadership committee of our players.
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  Speaker 5: And I asked them, it's your team. What do you
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  Speaker 5: want to do? if these players are allowed to be
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  Speaker 5: added to.
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  Speaker 4: Rosters, what do you want to do? And every one
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  Speaker 4: of them was emphatic about, they can help us win,
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  Speaker 4: bring them. And, you know, we.
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  Speaker 5: Understand that, you know, we have a team that's practiced together,
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  Speaker 5: worked together all offseason, but one of them said, hey,
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  Speaker 5: this is how it works at the next level, and
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  Speaker 5: this is how the real world works. And there aren't
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  Speaker 5: days you can't bring employees in to, certain jobs.
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  Speaker 4: To help the company.
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  Speaker 5: So that made me feel a little better in the
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  Speaker 5: struggle and being torn back and forth.
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  Speaker 4: So we'll wait to hear for more guidance.
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  Speaker 5: The SEC issued guidance in our question about that.
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  Speaker 4: They'll follow court orders. And so we'll wait until this
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  Speaker 4: week to see if there's any.
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  Speaker 5: More guidance and the question of whether myself as the
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  Speaker 5: head coach of football and will football follow SEC orders.
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  Speaker 4: I said it earlier this morning when asked. Of course,
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  Speaker 4: we will.
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  Speaker 2: OK, we'll wait to see if there's any more guidance
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  Speaker 2: from the SEC. The SEC has given all the guidance
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  Speaker 2: they're going to. I mean, they have stated they held
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  Speaker 2: an emergency meeting of all the school presidents to vote
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  Speaker 2: on this. They unanimously voted saying this is wrong. We
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  Speaker 2: are going to fight this hard. There's going to be
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  Speaker 2: major ramifications, including being suspended for half a season, vacating wins.
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  Speaker 2: They've spoken, Lane.
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  Speaker 3: You're not waiting on guidance from the SEC.
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  Speaker 2: The SEC has given you their stance on this. You
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  Speaker 2: are waiting on one local court to say whether or
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  Speaker 2: not you can go break the rules that have been
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  Speaker 2: set by the SEC. That's what's going on here. This
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  Speaker 2: guy twisted himself into about five different pretzels. on this thing, Hutton.
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  Speaker 2: He's very tortured over the decision, right? But he was
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  Speaker 2: thrilled that his players really let him off the hook
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  Speaker 2: by saying, yes, coach, please.
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  Speaker 3: We want to be in the workforce right now. Let's
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  Speaker 3: break this down.
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  Speaker 1: He's really torn over this decision, but man, he could
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  Speaker 1: walk away from a national championship caliber team at Ole Miss. Man,
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  Speaker 1: he could really torn over that one, Lane. You wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do both. That's what he's torn over. He's not
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  Speaker 1: torn over one or the other. He wants to do both.
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  Speaker 1: He wants to act like he's with the SEC and
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  Speaker 1: then also bring in former NFL players.
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  Speaker 3: And of course his.
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  Speaker 1: Leadership, this is your team. Of course the leadership team
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  Speaker 1: is going to be like, yeah, whatever helps this team win.
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  Speaker 1: Because their asses aren't on the line. His leadership team
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  Speaker 1: isn't going to be replaced. So of course they're going
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  Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, let's.
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  Speaker 3: Make this team better. Because they have nothing to lose.
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  Speaker 3: Zilch to lose. Yeah, you're right.
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  Speaker 2: Did he go ask the player who now is not
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  Speaker 2: going to start because of this? Did he go ask
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  Speaker 2: the second stringer who now is never.
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  Speaker 3: Going to see any time over this?
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  Speaker 1: Because that scrub for LSU is not worthy of being asked.
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  Speaker 3: He's under the leadership council.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and I love how it's like, hey, you know,
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  Speaker 2: some would argue these guys are making what NFL guys are.
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  Speaker 3: So, boy, I'm just really cutting edge here.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to go ahead and get them ready for
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  Speaker 2: the NFL by cutting their ass, even though they've been
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  Speaker 2: here the whole time. By the way, the players that
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about that are really on the chopping block,
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  Speaker 2: Probably aren't making much at all. If anything, they're on
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  Speaker 2: the bottom of the roster. They're the ones who suffer
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  Speaker 2: from this. They're the ones who were there through summer
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  Speaker 2: conditioning and workouts, through spring practice, through everything else that
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  Speaker 2: have been with you the whole time. Steve Sarkeesian even
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  Speaker 2: came back and said it's immoral. You know, he went
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  Speaker 2: as far as to say it's not the morally right
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  Speaker 2: thing to do to your team and players that have
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  Speaker 2: been there the whole time, but he's adamantly against it.
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  Speaker 2: And Lane Kiffin is standing up there saying it's a
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  Speaker 2: mix of, you know, everybody who's employed me knows that
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  Speaker 2: this guy's going to do whatever he can to help
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  Speaker 2: the team win. I'm thinking you're doing whatever you can
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  Speaker 2: to make you look good by winning games.
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  Speaker 3: That's what you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: You're not helping your team per se when you do this.
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  Speaker 2: You're not asking the entire team what they want to do.
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  Speaker 2: You're asking some guys who are already leaders and starters
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  Speaker 2: in this team that their position's not affected by bringing
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  Speaker 2: in these guys. And I'll also just ask the question, like,
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  Speaker 2: is it worth it? right now for the players we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about, I mean, are they going to make this
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  Speaker 2: big of a difference? We know they're going to make
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  Speaker 2: a difference or Kiffin wouldn't be doing it, right? Are
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  Speaker 2: they going to make that big of a difference to
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  Speaker 2: continue this?
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  Speaker 1: The difference is, are there going to be a better team?
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  Speaker 3: Are they? And the answer is yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So, so if the, if the question is, is it
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  Speaker 1: worth it? The value is the value of that worth is,
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  Speaker 1: is this going to make us a better team? So yes,
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  Speaker 1: it's worth it if you're looking at it like that.
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  Speaker 1: And that's how they're looking at it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's, um, It's wild to me, though, that Kiffin would
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  Speaker 2: continue to go down this path. I'm watching the television
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  Speaker 2: over here. I'm watching the news today because I'm waiting
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  Speaker 2: for any minute. We're two days from that hearing on Thursday,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm almost waiting for any minute for LSU to
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  Speaker 2: just completely stand out and say, we're going to abide
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  Speaker 2: by the SEC rule regardless of what.
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  Speaker 3: The court says.
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  Speaker 1: But that was my thing last week, Chad. What's the endgame?
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  Speaker 1: What is the endgame for LSU? Because we can go
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  Speaker 1: back for a while here where they didn't stand down.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, Greg Sankey didn't stand up either
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  Speaker 1: whenever they were diving in going headfirst after Lane Kiffin
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  Speaker 1: last year. in the middle of Ole Miss' historic run.
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  Speaker 1: That's whenever you and I were asking the question, where's
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  Speaker 1: Greg Sankey? Where's the Southeastern Conference? Because he'll tell Jimbo
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  Speaker 1: Fisher and Nick Saban to pipe down.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, look, the big question now is, well, two things
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  Speaker 2: for me. One, will they stand down, LSU I'm talking about?
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  Speaker 2: If not, what does this mean legally, and what are
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  Speaker 2: the chances that the SEC is going to win this
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  Speaker 2: on Thursday or win this long term? Tom Maher is
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  Speaker 2: the guy that we've had on the show that I
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: follow a lot for all of this, and he does
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  Speaker 2: a good job of explaining it in layman's terms about
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  Speaker 2: what to expect on Thursday. And he spoke on this case.
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  Speaker 2: Here is Tom Maher discussing it. the legal ramifications and
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  Speaker 2: maybe what we can expect from SEC versus LSU.
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  Speaker 6: SEC is going to win this case. I don't think
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  Speaker 6: there's any question about it. The judge in the Baton
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  Speaker 6: Rouge case is going to be under immense political pressure
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  Speaker 6: to rule in favor of the plaintiffs. There's no doubt
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  Speaker 6: about that. But that's not necessarily going to be true
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  Speaker 6: at the next level, the Louisiana Court of Appeals. Why?
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  Speaker 6: Because they're elected to 10-year terms, whereas district judges are
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  Speaker 6: elected to six-year terms. And appellate judges, whether they're in
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  Speaker 6: Louisiana or Montana or Arkansas, they are different than district judges.
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  Speaker 6: They are obsessed about the law, following the law, and
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  Speaker 6: they know that, in this case, the people of Louisiana
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  Speaker 6: expect them to apply the evidence and the law. And
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  Speaker 6: there's one other thing that's unique about Louisiana courts. The
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  Speaker 6: Court of Appeals in Louisiana can review the facts, the evidence,
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  Speaker 6: the facts in the record and the law, whereas in
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  Speaker 6: almost every other state, the Court of Appeals has to
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  Speaker 6: give great deference to the trial judge's findings of fact.
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  Speaker 4: Not so in Louisiana.
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  Speaker 3: There you have it, Hutt.
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  Speaker 2: Tom Mars thinks the SEC has got the case and
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  Speaker 2: that they're going to win this. And he gives the
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  Speaker 2: breakdown of different judges and who's to 10-year and who's
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  Speaker 2: 6-year because, let's face it, Louisiana's corrupt when we're talking
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  Speaker 2: about this. And it comes down to political pressure also
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  Speaker 2: on siding with the native LSU Tigers.
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  Speaker 3: In a lot of this.
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  Speaker 2: But bottom line is, is it really worth it to
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  Speaker 2: just go to war with your own conference? the way
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  Speaker 2: it seems like LSU and Lane Kiffin's willing to do.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they're willing to go to war, but they're also
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  Speaker 1: willing to stand down. They're playing both sides. This is
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  Speaker 1: exactly what Lane Kiffin does. And I thought Dallas, I
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  Speaker 1: thought we looked into this. This is a Texas judge
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  Speaker 1: that put in another RPO.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, look. He's talking about Louisiana. Louisiana.
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  Speaker 2: Thursday's in Louisiana, I think is what he's talking about.
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  Speaker 2: So this is the next big showdown.
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  Speaker 1: But isn't there another court that has already ruled on
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  Speaker 1: this too?
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  Speaker 2: The TRO, so a temporary restraining order was granted in
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  Speaker 2: Texas for these players saying that conferences and the NCAA
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  Speaker 2: can't do anything to them if the school decided to
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  Speaker 2: roster these players. Now the next process is in Louisiana,
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  Speaker 2: and that's on Thursday. I don't know if it's the
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  Speaker 2: next appeal.
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  Speaker 3: Or what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Bottom line is, it's Thursday morning, there's a showdown coming.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah. The SEC has sought outside counsel. Specifically, though.
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  Speaker 3: By in-house lawyers.
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  Speaker 2: These are outside counsel coming in to fight LSU. And
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  Speaker 2: Tom Mars, who I respect his legal opinion, is saying
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  Speaker 2: there's no doubt in his mind that the SEC is
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  Speaker 2: going to win this case. Now, there's going to be
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  Speaker 2: different layers to this in a Louisiana court of appeals,
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  Speaker 2: is what he's.
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  Speaker 3: Saying, as opposed to it.
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  Speaker 2: But that the SEC ultimately will win this case based
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  Speaker 2: on merit. of their ability to punish or levy penalties, suspensions,
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  Speaker 2: whatever it may be, for voluntary members of their organization.
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  Speaker 2: And that's where we get to this, and this is
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  Speaker 2: Ross Dellinger's reporting, but he's reporting, he's spoken to multiple
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  Speaker 2: presidents at SEC schools that they're legitimately talking about kicking
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  Speaker 2: LSU out of the SEC if they continue.
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  Speaker 3: To get on this road. Sure they are. Sure they are.
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  Speaker 4: LSU.
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  Speaker 3: Sure they are.
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  Speaker 1: But let's also say, LSU, they're trying to be the
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  Speaker 1: anti-hero instead of the villain. And Kiffin, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: SEC's doing the exact same thing Lane Kiffin's doing, by
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  Speaker 1: the way. Lane Kiffin's standing up there and saying, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we'll abide by guidance and, you know, I'm doing the
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  Speaker 1: best thing.
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  Speaker 3: For blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 1: The SEC also put down these strict guidelines and rules,
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  Speaker 1: and then they back down, acting like they're backing down,
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  Speaker 1: but they're really going to crank back up. So they're
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  Speaker 1: doing the same thing, trying to look like they're doing
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  Speaker 1: everything by the book going into Thursday. And then once
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  Speaker 1: Thursday hits, one side wins, one side loses. But then again,
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  Speaker 1: I think, what if another court comes down and says
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  Speaker 1: that it's wide open?
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  Speaker 2: Again, I go back to, if that's the case, why
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  Speaker 2: would you even continue to do it? Because it's going
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  Speaker 2: to continue going down the legal system. And if you
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  Speaker 2: lose the ultimate case, you are really risking a lot
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  Speaker 2: by playing those three guys because the SEC, if they
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  Speaker 2: end up winning, even if they lose these little battles
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  Speaker 2: in court and they lose temporary restraining orders and all that,
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  Speaker 2: if they win, you've screwed your season over if you're LSU.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, but what did Alabama lose by playing the G
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  Speaker 3: League player?
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  Speaker 2: Well, they didn't lose anything other than the player eventually.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't eligible.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: But he did play.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: But he did play. Yeah, he played. And then he
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: was ruled ineligible.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Look, I think ultimately this is now— I'm saying not
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: play the player. I'm saying what they've done right now
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: hasn't overstepped any boundaries or rules. Because right now the
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: SEC doesn't have any.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: They have rules. The SEC has rules against playing NFL players.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: And they reaffirmed those rules by saying that. They are
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: stepping aside of SEC rules, but the argument is they're
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: complying with a court order, so the SEC rules don't matter.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: If the SEC continues to fight it... And that's what
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: I'm saying.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Because the SEC rules don't matter right now until Thursday
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: if the court says so. If not, then LSU's setting
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: themselves up to do it. But if the court steps
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: in and says, we're excited with the SEC, then... Kiffin's
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: already protected himself by saying, well, we're going to wait
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: for further guidance.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Kiffin doing this, if you're LSU and you're backing Kiffin
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: at this point, I just think you're stupid.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: I just don't think any of this.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: I don't think any of this is worth it, is
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: the point that I'm making.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: You were pitting yourself against your own conference. What is
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: the endgame for LSU? Not Kiffin.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: What was the endgame for LSU, who from top to bottom,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: from basketball, in both men's and women's basketball, to football,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: what's the endgame for LSU and the SEC? That was
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: my question last week, because it's not just a Lane-Kiffin-led
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: deal here. This is coming from the governor.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: It started there.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: What is their endgame when it comes to the conference,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: which is a question you're asking?
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: The endgame, according to Ross Dellinger, is the conference might
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: kick them out if they continue to do this and
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: go completely rogue. And look, LSU has value. LSU doesn't
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: make the SEC. There's plenty of teams that would love
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: to jump in and join the SEC that could also
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: give them value. We're going to get into some that
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: could possibly do that. I don't think LSU is getting
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: kicked out of the conference over this because I think
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: at some point a school president– Or someone's going to
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: step in and say, guys, we've got multiple sports here.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: We've got a long-standing relationship with the conference. We're not
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: going to bend everything for these three players or four
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: players or however much it ends up being. It's just
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: simply not worth it. I'm counting down the clock now
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: to either tomorrow's hearing or sometime today where LSU comes
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: back and says we're not going to do it. Even
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: with Kiffin's voice yesterday in that press conference we played, Hutt,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: I hear a guy who is defensive and a little
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: bit defeated in the end when he has to end
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: everything with, but yeah, of course we'll follow the SEC
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: rules on it.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: He sounds like the same coach last week that went
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: on with Chris Childers on SiriusXM and said the same thing.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's playing both sides, just like both sides
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: are playing either side right now, where one's back down
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: waiting on the court and the other's doing the same thing.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Well, the SEC has to wait on the court. They
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: have no option there. They've given their stance and said,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: we're still going to try to enforce the rules.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Of course they have to wait.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: And Kiffin doesn't have to wait right now because the
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: court has stepped in.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Until tomorrow. Or sorry, Thursday. Right. But then again, the
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: court could also rule with the player. Right.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: And then it's on LSU to make the decision. Are
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: these three guys worth... Completely disrupting a relationship with an
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: entire league.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: So the SEC would then go against the court. By
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: the way, the.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: SEC's already played, I'm sorry, LSU's already violated this by
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: playing two soccer players. Two women soccer players have been
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: playing professionally. So they were the first to do this.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: They did it this past week. Okay, so therein lies
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: my point. What is LSU's endgame? It's not about Kiffin.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: It's the entire, and I would also say, so the
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: SEC would go against the court ruling? and enforce some
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: kind of punishment?
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Let me say this for LSU and just throw this
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: possibility out there. Maybe they're just not that smart. That's
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: also possible. I don't know of any other school in
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: the conference that would continue to fight it to this level.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I know the example of Charles Bediako and Nate Oates.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: At Alabama. But I feel like at the University of Alabama,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: if the SEC came back and said, we're going to
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: continue fighting this in court, and I don't care how
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: long it takes, but when we get our desired ruling
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: on Betty Occo, which they eventually did, if you were
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: in violation of this rule, we will kick your ass
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: out of the SEC.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Everybody there. I feel like Alabama then would have stepped aside.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: But there was no retroactive punishment.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: So if LSU, until they're ruled ineligible.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: They're not.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: That's what Kiffin is saying. He goes, I'm waiting on
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: further guidance here, but I'm going to do what's best
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: for my team.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: I would argue, though, even if the further guidance is
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: they're eligible, the SEC has said they're not eligible in
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: this conference.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: No one in the Big Ten is trying to add
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: these guys.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: As of right now, they're waiting on a court to
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: tell them that.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: I totally understand.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: My point is, even if they say they're eligible, it's
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: still LSU's decision to They don't have to roster these players.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: They don't have to go against the guy. The guidance
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: of the SEC is clear. These players aren't eligible. You
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: can't play them. So then LSU is still going to
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: have to say, but the court says this. So even
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: though my conference says that they could go play for
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: another conference or another team, but I'm going to take
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: it upon me to roster these players. You have to
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: ask what is the long-term damage of that if there's
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: any at all.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: With the SEC.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I would just ask the question, does the SEC want
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: to continue to get sued by players that are winning
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: in courts?
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Like the NCAA is. That's really what they're trying to avoid.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Because, forgive me for forgetting, the SEC didn't come up
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: with these rules until they followed and echoed whatever the
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Big Ten was doing.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: They were waiting on federal guidelines. Last I checked.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Look.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: There's two things here.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: The Big Ten and the SEC have been consistently against
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: adding NFL players. Neither one of them want this or
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: think it's good for the sport. They're against it. The
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: difference in the statements were the SEC came out first
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: but said this is against SEC bylaws. It's against everything
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: we stand for, and it's another reason why we need
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: to pass the Protect College Sports Act in Congress.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: That's what they said, right?
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Yesterday I said, ultimately, it goes back to that. It
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: almost feels like a setup to try to point to
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: that and get this passed.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: That was the first statement. The Big Ten came out
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: stronger and said they can't play in the Big Ten.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: And the schools are going to be punished severely if
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: they try to roster these players. Then the SEC called
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: an emergency meeting of presidents, got together later that night
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: and said, we're just like the Big Ten. They can't
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: do it here either. And here are the punishments. And
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: then the punishments came out later. Which LSU voted yes for. Yeah,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: I think the SEC took longer to get to the
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: right decision because they were A little bit forced by
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: the Big Ten because the Big Ten was so strong
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: against it.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: But consistently both, they don't want this to happen. It's
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: not like the SEC said, we're okay with it. Screw you,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Big Ten. Then the Big Ten said, we're against it.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: We're not going to allow it. And then the SEC
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: changed course. They've all been against it. They were just
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: against it to different levels until the Big Ten made
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: that announcement.
• 23:13
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• 23:15
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• 24:28
  Speaker 1: So if LSU wants to go solo, they want to
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: go out on their own. They want to play their
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: NFL players and play their NWSL players.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: And whoever else they want. You've been thinking about who
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: the SEC may be going after.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Fantasy draft here, right? I'm with you. I do not
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: think it's going to rise to that level. Certainly, there's
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: got to be someone that's smart in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I haven't found the person yet, but there's got to
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: be at.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Least one person. And the SEC office, by the way.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: You know, guys, we're not going to do this. We're
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: not going to continue on.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: And if the SEC office was smart, they would kick
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: their ass out, and I hope that they do.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Because there's only one program that I think I would
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: even consider trading for right now.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, look, the LSU needs the SEC more than the
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: SEC needs LSU. There's no doubt who has the power here.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: The SEC has brands like Texas and Alabama and A & M.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: LSU is a strong brand. Florida, Georgia, go down the list.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: But every other program in America would die. They would
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: crawl on broken glass from their current place if you're.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: In the ACC to get to the SEC. Oh, sure, sure, sure.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: ACC, yes.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Now the one brand that would be a huge trade up,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I think for the sec would be Notre Dame.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: That's my pick.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: I don't, I think Notre Dame wants to be independent.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: We'll go ahead.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Tell us about Notre Dame.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Well, Notre Dame is the, is above LSU in my hierarchy. Uh,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: if you're, if you're going to, if you're kicking out LSU,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: you want to give the middle finger to them. Uh,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: why not raise the entire bar and take away something
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: from the big 10 as well? That's what, that's what
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I would be doing. I would, I would take from
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the Big Ten and I would kick LSU's ass out.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I would win both. So I would go after Notre Dame.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I can't think of a program right now that does
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: both other than that.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Notre Dame would be great. The realistic options, I think,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: that would crawl to the SEC right now. North Carolina,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: really good brand, really good basketball brand also. Better basketball brand,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: which now is very profitable. Not as profitable as football,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: but very profitable. Better than LSU in basketball. strong baseball team,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: if that matters to anyone, just like LSU.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: But they've got a good program also.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I think North Carolina would make the most sense from
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: a brand awareness standpoint in the ACC. I've always thought
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: if you're just looking at who's the most SEC in
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: the ACC and how they value sports and how they
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: look at football, it's probably Clemson and Florida State in
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: some order. Jacob Lutz before the show brought up Miami
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: as another option for the SEC.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I think all makes sense.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Just North Carolina to me, like Notre Dame is a
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: national brand with a Catholic church and you're getting a
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: lot more there with that.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: So they would be number one. Worldwide brand. Yeah.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: And North Carolina is more, everybody talks about what are
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: you gaining that you didn't already have? I don't know
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: that you gain much at Florida state or Miami, given
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: that you're already in the state of Florida with Florida.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I do think you gain a lot in the state
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: of North Carolina where currently there.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Is no SEC team.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: And call me old-fashioned, but I like the fact that
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: it remains a conference where all the schools and states
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: are connected and you're not skipping over to California or
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: skipping over to Arizona or another state for a team.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: So I think North Carolina, probably Clemson after that, Florida
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: State after that. On the other, the outsider that I
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: would put in there, probably another school that would go
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: rogue like an LSU and violate league rules at some point.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: If you let them in.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech is one out of the Big 12 that
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: you keep in the state of Texas. But, I mean,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: that's a program that is spending big on football.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: To me, it's also about which of the schools are
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: you adding that do you want in your super conference?
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the super conference, those schools are getting
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: added regardless that we just mentioned, I believe. Because they're
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: going to be the exceptions in those other conferences that
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: don't have.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: To stay back.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I guess Carolina. I'm talking about football. I don't know
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: if Carolina's there.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Carolina, I think, for football would be there just because, again,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: of the brand. But, yeah, I mean, from a history standpoint, no.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Not compared to LSU. LSU would be in that super conference.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Oh, for sure.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: And, look, if a super conference happened, even if LSU
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: got kicked out of the SEC, it wouldn't ultimately matter
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: because they'd be in the super conference.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: And I think it's happening, though. I think we're headed
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: towards that.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I think football is headed more towards that for sure.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I think you could just combine the Big Ten and
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: the SEC and allow them to vote in whoever they
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: want on the outside.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: That gives them value.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: And if they don't, then they're not going to be
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: in that super conference.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: But see, that would allow you into the super conference
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: if you're Carolina. You're praying that the SEC wants to
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: kick out LSU for whatever reason. But it wouldn't be
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: because of playing a a player who didn't get picked
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: up by the NFL waiver wire, I don't believe. It's
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: certainly not going to be because... they played a soccer player.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would like to see the next league meeting
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: with presidents and coaches and everyone to see if it's
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: actually contentious. Regardless of how this ends on Thursday or
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: how this plays out throughout the year. Let's just say
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: hypothetically that the players win on Thursday. And there's no
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: further appeals or nothing else happens. And the SEC is
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: basically handcuffed to have to allow LSU to roster those players.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: And no other SEC school rosters a single NFL player.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: And LSU wins the SEC in year one. I would
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: love to be a fly on the wall in the
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: meetings after this season to see what goes on with
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: that and what's talked about.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: You know, I would also say, like, just the whole–
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's contentious because LSU is one of the–
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: it was a vote that ended unanimous that they weren't
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: going to add former pro players to rosters, right? The
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: vote where they abstained was for the punishment, not for
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: the addition.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think about– There were two votes.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think about what is the possible explanation
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: that Lane Kiffin could– I'm always thinking about PR tactics, okay?
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin is thinking about talking out of both sides
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: of his mouth and doing all that, which is a
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: PR move in a way, too. But what do you
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: ultimately come back and say if your own president initially
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: voted against adding these players in a unanimous vote or
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: abstained or whatever it was?
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. He didn't vote against adding the players
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: at all.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: They voted against not adding NFL players but abstained against
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: punishment for that.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: So I'm trying to think about what would the one
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: possible explanation be if you said like, hey, I know
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: our president, you know, that nobody wants this. But now
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: we're kind of in a bind because there were no
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: rules on it. And we promised these guys we're going
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: to be here and our school is going to get sued.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: If we don't add them to the roster. Like, do
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: you act like you're now handcuffed? Like, guys, sorry, my
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: hands are tied. They were promised a spot. They've been
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: at practice. We can't then just kick them off the team.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: They've got to stay and play.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's been any promises. Ask the players
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: who are currently there that are getting kicked off the team.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I'm saying to the players they're adding.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Not the players on the team. I don't think there's
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: any loyalty to them either. Well, no, I'm not saying
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: that LSU's loyal.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, would they make an argument lying about having
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: to be loyal for a court system because they're afraid
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: they're going to get sued by the players since they
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: already offered them a spot on the team? I'm just
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: coming up with hypotheticals for what they could possibly say.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I think they have towed the line to where they
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: are waiting on further guidance. And whatever this guidance says
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: is what they're going to abide by. Same for the SEC.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Because that's why they're waiting on the court.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I think the SEC is going to fight this to
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: the end. Whatever happens on Thursday, they're going to continue fighting.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: And until then, we're kicking off a football season with
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: players on rosters.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: And I hope if they play those guys, they forfeit.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: But they won't. That's great.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: They may not. I'm just telling you that I believe
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: this is wrong. The SEC believes it's wrong.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: That's fine, and it is wrong. Everyone else does too.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: I'm allowed to have an opinion and say I hope
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: they forfeit every game.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: I will gladly call the state of Louisiana a bunch
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: of idiots.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: But to act like the SEC is going to do
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: anything when they didn't do anything about Alabama hoops– They're
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: not going to.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: They are trying to do something in this case. They
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: are trying to get the courts and the federal government.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: They are trying to stop this before it becomes a
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: bigger deal. LSU is adding multiple players to a football
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: roster for the NFL. It's different than the one player
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: at Alabama, which they also hated. So they saw that sprinkle,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: and now they're seeing a rainstorm. And they're actually saying
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: they're trying to stop it. I believe them that they're
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: trying to stop it. Will they win in local Louisiana
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: appellate court? Hell if I know, because I don't understand
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: the politics and what goes on in Louisiana. They've got
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: a governor who sounds like Bobby Boucher from Waterbury. So
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen ultimately in that state.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you it's LSU versus everybody. And LSU is
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: in the wrong.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: And right now, it's the SEC trying to get the
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: federal government to help them. And government includes, I guess,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: this crazy governor.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: He's not a part of the federal government. And the SEC,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: we should want the Protect College Sports Act to happen.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Everybody else does, too, so there's more.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: First off, I also want the players to be heard
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: on that, too.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there needs to be collective bargaining.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Because otherwise we're just going to end up in lawsuits again.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Danny White, the AD at Tennessee, is the first one
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: saying it. No one else is saying it. He's like,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: we have to have the players there for a collective
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: bargaining agreement. No one wants to hear it, but that's
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: going to have to happen with Congress or whoever. But
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: getting that antitrust exemption is the first step, and then
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: players can come to the table also and collectively bargain,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: which I hope ultimately we get there. Sam in our
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: YouTube chat is saying, what's the timeline on a super conference?
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of that is dictated by whatever
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: laws are passed, you know, but like if they can
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: get it under control, maybe there's a place where it
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: can still exist. But ultimately, there's only going to be
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: a number of programs that can exist even at the
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: level that Congress is talking about.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Well, but also the timeline also is at the mercy
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: of these TV contracts.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: That's 2029, right? Correct, yeah.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: It's going to be, I said five years. I said
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: within the next five years. But again, a lot of this,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: we got to see if there's anything done in government
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: to apply rules to the entire sport and then see
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: what that looks like if it happens.
• 35:28
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• 35:36
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  Speaker 3: They are back with us and excited to have them
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know my record as well.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Neither one of our records are good. We always get
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  Speaker 2: caught up in, we're going to go for the bundle
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: all the time. And going for the bundle is what
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  Speaker 2: We don't take like, oh, let's just do the one bet.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Hutton and I were like, let's do a five-leg parlay
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  Speaker 2: and then count that against our overall record. So then
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: when they put those graphics together at the end of
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: a season, it's like Hutton and Withrow, 2-38 on the season.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: It's almost like we were set up to fail.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: There are times I feel like people take great joy
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: in us looking like idiots. I've been in plenty of
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: situations that's the case. Luckily, not the case here.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, absolutely not.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: These guys do a hell of a job trying to
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: make us look good, which is tough work. It's really
• 40:25
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• 40:27
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  Speaker 2: hearing with the SEC and LSU. Don't know which side
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  Speaker 3: Maybe they'll be there. That's what I said. Hey, SEC
• 41:50
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  Speaker 4: They could.
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  Speaker 3: A little strong arm of the law. Outside counsel. They
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• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Honey, it's tough to beat right now the softness of
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: the Titans fan base in any regards.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: I said yesterday, I said, there's a difference between we
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: ass and I ass if you walk down a dark alley. Well,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: the Titans fan base acting like we ass. with their
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: reaction yesterday, Chad?
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Well, so.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: The clip from yesterday that's getting... At softball last night,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: I had two parents come up to me that were
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: laughing about it and said, you need to put I.S.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: On a T-shirt. No, we don't. I'm not wearing that one.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I was like, you can wear it.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Wear that in jail.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: But I'm sure if it made money that we would
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: produce that shirt at Sporting State if possible.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Look, I think it's fair to ask.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: How long do you give a young quarterback, right?
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Like going into year two before you decide like, okay,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: this guy's not going to make it. And I'm not
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: saying with any certainty that Cam Ward is not going
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: to make it.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Okay. So I can understand like, Hey guys, let's just.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Let's chill out. It's preseason. You know, we haven't played
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: a regular season game yet. I can understand that argument.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: I'll also say that when we're talking about this on
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: the show and everyone's first response is, um.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: How dare you?
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: No, it's not even that. It's not even a valid
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: argument against it. I know that I'm right and we're
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: probably right when all the responses are, you know, you're ugly.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Or you're stupid. Or you guys sucked ever.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Since you left local radio. Or Paul Koharski made you guys.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Or tell your daddy Clay Travis was too hot. PK's
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: burner account.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: I got thick skin. I've heard it all.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: I don't really care at all about that type of stuff.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: I just know I've got you when everybody's response is,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Did your daddy, Clay.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Travis, tell you to say that?
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: That's the response of a child when it's like, well,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: you suck.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: Sounds like a bunch of burner accounts. Yeah.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: It's like Mike Dexter in Can't Hardly Wait when he said,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: I would kick everyone's ass in this room. Was his
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: only response when people were legitimately making fun of him?
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: That's the response for most people. So I know at
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: that point that we're on to something. with the insecurities
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: of the Titans fan base when it comes to Cam Ward.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: And we're just stating something that is a fact. Look,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: people can talk about, you know, Jared Stillman's the guy
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: who asked the question we talked about. And then a
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: lot of the responses are, well, Stillman's not a reporter. Well,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: that's not for Cam Ward to decide. If someone's granted
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: press access and is at.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: The press conference.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: My point is, if you are a 15-year pro, Hutton,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: and you feel like, as the quarterback, who is this
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: guy that keeps talking about me? I've been there and
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: done that before, and I want to joust with this
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: guy a little bit and throw it back at him
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: and say, why don't you evaluate my play and tell
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: me what you think?
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: And he said, oh, you think that? Well, I'm glad
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: you think that. There's different levels and layers to this.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Cade Ward is the furthest from being soft, by the way. No,
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's soft. Well, I'm saying that it
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: sounds like the response has been.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, from Titans fans.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Soft response for what is a quarterback who wouldn't want
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: you to be soft.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, he can take it. He can take the heat.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: It's not the first time he's asked at a press conference,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Jared's still got a question like that in response to
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: a question either. It's a very insecure fan base for
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: an organization that's very insecure.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Quite frankly.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: And that's what brings up all this, you know, the
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Titans fans are insecure because they have no other reason
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: to be secure about anything other than we better hope
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: and pray that we hit the lottery on a quarterback finally.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: And this is the only one they've got. It's not
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Mitch Trubisky. Yeah, I mean, I.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Just, and keep the comments coming, by the way, on
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: the YouTube page also. Here's what I would like for
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: this market, right, and we're talking about Nashville with the Titans, Hutton,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: is every other NFL market I feel like, I'm not
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: asking for people to 100% agree with something I say
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: or you say or anything. We want to spark discussion
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: and debate on everything. So if you think I'm wrong
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: for saying that he needs to be more accountable and
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: instead of throwing a question back at a reporter, just
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: come back and say, yeah, I've sucked. Because he had
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: no problem saying the team was that bad. And yes,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: he was including himself in that after that game also.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: But I wouldn't mind him just saying that and coming back.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: But I would love for a fan base to get
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: upset when their number one overall pick isn't performing. I
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: want them to get upset when he carries the ball
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: like a loaf of bread. I know it's preseason. But
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: those are the types of mistakes and mental mistakes of
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: just not doing the right thing that I want to
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: see start to be erased. in year two in the NFL.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: And I'm not seeing enough from Cam Ward where he's
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: learned from his first year mistakes and is changing the
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: way he's playing at all.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: I want the fan base to start getting upset whenever
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: they hear the team talk about week 18 instead of
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: week one, where they're going to be. It's time for
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: this organization to win in the month of September. They
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: haven't done that. They haven't done that. They've won three
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: games each of the last three years, and they have
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: play-by-play announcers that are talking about games that matter in
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: the month of December that do nothing but keep you
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: from having the number one overall pick because that roster
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: there doesn't carry over to the roster here whatsoever at all. Jad,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: this is an organization that needs to go out and
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: beat the New York Jets. Last I checked, they're waltzing
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: in Geno Smith at quarterback in week one. Last I checked,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn is the head coach who's a good defensive
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: coordinator in Detroit. But I also know that Robert Sala
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: was a great defensive coordinator everywhere he's been. And he's
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: the head coach, but he's also calling plays defensively because, oh,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: by the way, the Titans have the best offensive coordinator
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: hire of the offseason in Brian Dable.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: And he's the effective head coach of the offense.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: So taking all of that into account and knowing that
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: you're playing the New York freaking Jets, who own a
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: spot in the cellar longer than you have, but yet
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: your roommate's with them, how about go out and beat
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the Jets and win in week one for the first
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: time in like five or six years? Or win a
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: home opener on the day you're honoring one of your
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: all-time legends in Chris Johnson, who has ALS, and you're
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: putting him into the ring of honor.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Instead of talking about this is.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Our floor and we're going to get better every single week, guys,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: here we go.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Hip, hip, hooray. Everyone on three. One, two, three. Titans.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: No.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: You go out and if you're going to talk about
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: putting belts to asses against the former Superbowl champs in
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: the practice and how you're starving and they're hungry, but
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: we're starving. You go out and you beat a scrub
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: football organization and stop being one. That's where I'm coming from.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: Very well said.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: And that is that to me, that that's the underlying
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: problem that you just hit on the very end of
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: that Hutton beat a scrub organization.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Instead of being one, the Titans are a scrub organization, right? Yeah,
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: they have been.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: That's what is someone who has followed the team, who
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: wants them to do well, who lives in Nashville. I
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: want them to stop being a scrub football organization. But
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: it's harder to get there when your own fan base
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: does not hold you accountable for being a scrub football
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: organization and instead wants to defend everything and everyone that
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: that organization says is great.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: And then we tie.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: That into a lot of local media, not us, certainly
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: not Jared Stillman either. But a lot of local media,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: let's face it, the response to them losing to the
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Jets in that scenario you just talked about, Hutton, will
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: be to immediately go after fans who are mad about it.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: This is our floor is going to be the response. Exactly.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: It's not going to.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Be a lot of, boy, this is disastrous.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: This is really bad. It's going to be a lot of, guys,
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: it's one game. It's the NFL. Do you not know
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: how the NFL works? This isn't college. It's the NFL.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: It's one of 17 games. Chill out. They're building to
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: something big here. Something else is happening.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: And that doesn't need to be the response.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: They're going to throw a parade. You're talking about the media.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: The media is going to throw a parade for a
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: team to win back-to-back games for the first time since
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: John Robinson was fired.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: If it happens, yes. The New York Jets won back-to-back
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: games last season. Last season.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: How is that a real stat, by the way? That
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: is nuts. They have not won back-to-back games since John Robinson?
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: They have not. Not since 2023.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: That is a near impossibility. I mean, Bravo Titans, you've
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: reached a level of ineptitude that I didn't think was possible.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: That is an incredible stat.
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: I have not.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: To me, the fans, the only time they hold the
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Titans accountable, Hutton, the fan base as a whole, is
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: in how they don't buy tickets. Because selling tickets this
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: year is going to be a big problem. To me,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: that's the only area where I'm like, all right, good job,
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Titans fans. I wouldn't buy a ticket to that either.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: So way to go to not show up to the game.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: I can't blame anyone. You've said the upper deck's the
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: hardest ticket to sell in sports. No one's in that
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: upper deck.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: And I don't blame them.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: And then here's the other layer to it. It's not
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: just about having a quarterback that gets four wins instead
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: of three. Because four wins keeps you in the cellar
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: with the Jets and Giants.
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Progress is not just four or five wins. Progress can
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: be a part. Four or five wins can be a
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: part of progress. But you have the number one overall
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: pick on offense. You have the number one overall selection
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: among offensive coordinators that you wanted to bring in. You
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: have the number four overall pick this year at wide receiver.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: You just gave a bunch of money to Skowronski up front.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: You still have a big upgrade at wide receiver with
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Wondell Robinson, who knows this offense, Calvin Ridley, who is healthy.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: You have two picks from, um, you have an all
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: pro and Chimbray DK, who's a backup right now on offense,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: but it's special team. You have a great special teams overall.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, that might be the side of the football
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: that leads this team. The phase of the football, I
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: should say that they are really, really good on special teams.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: They're the best special teams coach in the NFL. Um, Defensively,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: most money.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Beamer ball.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: First or second most money spin up front on the
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: defensive line is the Tennessee Titans. You don't have to
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: have Ladarius Sneed on this team anymore. You've upgraded over
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: that theoretically, hypothetically. Point being, Chad, is this quarterback going
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: to be the number one overall pick and be elite
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: or not? Because progress isn't just Cam Ward being good.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: That's not good enough.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: If you're a.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans fan, because the Tennessee Titans told you, this
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: guy's just not good.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: He's number one overall pick. We are proclaiming him great.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: He will be elite.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: That is what they have said by where they drafted him.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: And it's not unfair to say that is the demand,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: because that comes with the territory of being the number
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: one overall pick in the National Football League at that position.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: Period. Point blank. That's your expectation. He can't just go
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: from rookie to good.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: It is time to turn on the jet fuel with
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: this guy, with all of the things that they've done
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: in the offseason. It doesn't have to be week one
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: where he's got to be great and elite, but he
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: better go out and beat the New York freaking Jets.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. And the team, it doesn't have
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: to be all Cam Ward. The team better go do
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: that because it's time to start stacking wins. It's time
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: to go back to back. It's time to have consistent
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: performances from a quarterback that is in lockstep with the
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: coordinator who then uses all of these pieces properly to
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: elevate the entire offense and actually score, I don't know,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: more than 13.9 points per month going into the season.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: That'd be nice. That's progress.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Progress is not just, oh, we have two wins now
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: before Halloween.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: That's not parade worthy here. We're not waving the white
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: flag at Halloween. We made it until Thanksgiving this year.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: That's not progress. That's not good enough for a team
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: that is going into a 2026 season with the biggest
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: promotion ever. being about the stadium that they're about to
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: tear down, and don't you want to come out and
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: relive all the great glory moments before we tear this
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: sumbitch down?
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: That's basically what they're saying.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: And also, are we going to look back on Warren
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Moon giving his number to Cam Ward the way we
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: look back at Will Levis' Mayo commercial?
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: In terms of all-time gas?
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: No.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: I don't want that.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: But also, talking about the number one pick and what
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: that means, Hutton, that to me also is a signifier
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: that we believe in this guy wholeheartedly, and it's going
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: to work out to an all-pro level. And he's going
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: to be a great quarterback in this league. When you
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: give a legends number like Warren Moon, take it out
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: of retirement to give it to Cam Ward, that's what
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: you're stating. As an organization. And I don't want them
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: to fall on their face with that.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: I also want to say, I don't even want to
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: put the same breath as Will Levis and Cam Ward.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: Cam Ward is not about his brand. No, I agree
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: with that. Cam Ward is not trying to be a
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: promotional arm at all. Yeah, I'm talking more.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: About the team. When they decide to do that, when
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: they go to Warren Moon and do all that. Point being,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: the expectations are high and they should be for Cam Ward.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: I don't want everyone else's expectations to get on board
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: with ours and that level of where number one pick,
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: you took Warren Moon's number out of retirement for this guy.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: And it's not too much to say, hey, you're playing
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: against backups. You're in the preseason games up until the
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: last one because your coach is saying the offense needs
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: those reps. So when you're in there, you need to
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: look better than you've looked in those games. And I
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: don't think it's the right thing to come back and say, well,
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: practice is where it matters and we've been better in practice.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: I need to see it.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Maybe this guy flips a switch and he looks totally
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: different against the New York Jets. That's really a leap
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: of faith right now if you're a Titans fan to
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: say that that's going to happen.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: It's also saying, okay, so the backups for the other
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: teams are better at executing the bland minutiae plays than
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: you are? That's also what he's admitting.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: You guys are just going through the motions against backups
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: who are talking trash to you?
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: Have you talked trash all week to the Seahawks?
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: My response is, what's going to work? If playing the
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: backups and them being vanilla and you being vanilla, that
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: doesn't work for you, then what is going to work?
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Is it going to be 35 trick plays a game?
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Is it going to be, like you said, a version
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: of Beamer Ball where there's fake punts and fake kicks
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: and block punts and block kicks the whole time?
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: What's going to work for this team?
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: It can be. I'm not trying to make fun of
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: their special teams at all. I think their special teams
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: are very good. Bones Fossil's got something going. He's got
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: a really, really good special teams group. This offense, too,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: has a chance to catch the Jets off guard because
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Tajay Spears is healthy for the first time going into
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: week one since I don't know when. Last year, I
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: think he started the season on injured reserve with a recall.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: I think we're going to see a lot more RPO
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: than what we saw from Brian Callahan. I think we're
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: going to see Spears and Pollard on the field at
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: the same time. I think Spears will be an extension
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: of the run game to the passing game in this offense.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: We're going to see a lot of 12 personnel, two
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: tight ends on the field with the group that they
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: kept in their final 53. Chad, that means Gunner, Helm, Bellinger.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: We didn't see much of them in the preseason. I
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: think we'll see some of them in week one. There
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: are facets of this offense that we have not seen
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: at all during the preseason that where Cam Ward's got
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: to hit the layups. And if he does, this is
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: the team that can move the football and put up
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: some points. Because there are things with, even with Dable,
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: you can go watch all the Giants film you want,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: but you don't know, okay, so you can say like, okay,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Wanda Robinson's playing this role.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: This is where they're going to, so-and-so is going to
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: be in the spot of Slayton.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: You can try to put in all these different players,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: but you don't know which player is going to be
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: where and how they're going to use certain players in
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: this offense compared to the way he used them in
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: New York. So with, with that in mind, there are
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: ways to catch teams off guard. They can catch the
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: jets off guard. Um, but, It's Cam Ward who's got
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: to be able to pull the trigger and make an
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: accurate pass. His feet are all out of whack. He's
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: just very inaccurate, especially intermediate to deep routes. They've given
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: him deep threats now with Carnell Tate. It's time for
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: him to hit some of those. And they've been hitting
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: them in practice. But practice doesn't count. Practice doesn't count.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: They've got to start pushing the ball with an electric, entertaining...
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: quarterback he could and I'm saying that from that's who
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: he is he's got to be that at the pro
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: level because five years ago he's an incarnate word and
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: a year and a half ago he's the number one
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: overall pick so so now start start the climb towards
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: being great because ownership and this team didn't do you
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: any favors by firing your coach during your rookie season
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: by week six and You know, it was Halloween and
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: his rookie season's over. And now it's time for him
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: not to just lead the team. It's time for him
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: to own the team. This is his locker room. He's
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: got to take over.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: And if he doesn't and if he's bad, then, you know,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: just give us an I ask instead of we ask.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Don't put it on the offensive line or anybody else.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Just say that it was on you. Cam, you're the
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: leader of this team. You've been handed this organization as
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: the face of the franchise. Let's start to see more.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Again, the marketing value of we-ass is collectively, and he's right.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: If we, he was asked by Stillman weeks ago, does
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: the we include you? And the answer is yes. As
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: long as the we includes himself, I'm fine with him
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: saying we, because it's not just him that is ass.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: That entire organization has been. So it's not just Cam Ward,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: but Cam Ward leads the charge. And again, I'd rather
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: the Titans.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Fanbase, wear shirts that says we instead of I because
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: those things are taken into a totally different meme nationally.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: You'll become a laughingstock.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: It's time for the Titans to turn up, to tighten up,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: to turn up, to do something. And hopefully this fanbase
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: will follow along.
• 1:01:44
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• 1:01:46
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