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Talks to his best buds Simon Hart & Frazer Gregory about The Seeds of Death (1/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  The Doctor Who commentary podcast?
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  I'm Commander rat gnaw. Oh, no on the computer.
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  Hello team at it. Bracknell receiving now.
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  Eastbourne sending now oh God! Joe's here!
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  Hello! Hello, I've just seen my it in.
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  I'm here and I've got my underpants on the outside of my
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  trousers. As always man double system,
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  Newcastle sending now bracknell receiving.
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  Now transfer interrupted. Too much, smart Brigadier.
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  It is very complete. I've just been wasted on skaro
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  by the time rate on our way. We've done that one already but
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  we have so hello. However bank for a copter offers
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  commentary in a long time, in 500 years, it feels like hmm, so
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  it's less see you and nice to finally be going off on a trip
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  to the moon which we have in promising.
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  Or sometime. The Moon.
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  Yes, we're not going to Antarctica.
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  No Fraser, no, no Doom seeds death.
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  Yeah, that's how you remember. So you tell them apart, if you
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  see your breath its seeds of death, if you were on the moon
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  at seeds are doom, Stephon. Alexander told me that one.
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  So yes we want but he's always got that wrong.
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  Oh sorry. I thought we were doing a big
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  finish audio the seeds of War by mitnick Freaks.
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  Yeah, no one remembers that one. I'll say yeah.
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  Yeah, so I'll put that one. I don't remember that one.
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  Well, well after stop on tombe, Kevin this lead and so I can
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  talk about them all. You want to what it would be
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  very funny to do a commentary where we're all watching
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  different things, you know, it would be funny but, but would it
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  would it can I hijacked your intro for just one second,
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  please? No, you did.
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  You did warn me that you had two things to say.
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  So I do because you. Well, number one is I have to
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  say this and this is the Fraser, right?
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  The amount of people are got coming at me, at the moment.
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  Telling me that you're changing, their opinions on less
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  well-regarded stories, I feel like you're doing some bloody
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  good work here. I'll tell you.
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  The Dominator is, what was it the other day robot of Sherwood,
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  all of these fucking Duds are being reappraised.
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  Thanks to, you know, unbelievable.
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  No, because they're not duds Jewel, the all really good
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  stories. That's right.
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  Sorry, I will the these underrated Classics and anyone
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  that has said that I've changed their opinion on something, then
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  that's just really nice and really get his right in the
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  fields and thank you very much. That's really appreciate it.
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  Like seriously for a second. I think that is wonderful though
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  that just through sort of listening to us, have a
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  discourse that people are going back, Avenue Avenue, watch and,
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  and finding stuff to love in a shroud.
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  I love. I want to spray my luck.
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  So for that was rather. Lovely.
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  The set, you think? Oh, sorry, gone.
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  I was just gonna say you guys have done that to me.
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  Plenty, you know, it's what's causing this position to be
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  honest, too. It's nice to be able to give
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  something back to other people. I'll tell you what they know is,
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  come with me said they were re-evaluated the Armageddon
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  Factor yet, you know? Well, they're idiots, Yama
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  Kevin, things are, as we proved is brilliant, you know, Mark's
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  been doing Kate it's how I with Sarah on to watch who and what
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  the ground William. Sera thinking that Crazy Eights
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  it. He'd only read Allah era and so
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  he thought she was. She's fucking loving it.
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  All of it for her she thinks it's marvelous.
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  Yeah. What my second thing is an
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  announcement I would wish to make okay, random places drop it
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  by the south side I want to say anyway this is just this one
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  this week I'll have approached the two of you with a pitch
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  about Project. So I'd like to do with both of
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  you and I've chosen to pair of you and I've chosen you for
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  specific shows to talk about as well.
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  For a reason, I really want to do both the Sarah Jane
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  Adventures and tortured for have a star but I wanted to do it
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  with one voice because I think that would be really interested
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  to unpick those shows in order. So this is really unusual for
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  having such as you see, it's all over the bloody place.
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  Sigh, you are. Tackling the Sarah Jane
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  Adventures. It's true life in podcasting can
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  be an adventure to Joe and Fridays.
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  Are you brave? Soul are tackling Torchwood?
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  Yeah, so I get clear name, I got sex gasoline is how it should
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  be. Why do you think is kind of
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  tailor quite well to the TV because so I think there's a lot
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  of nostalgia in It Sarah Jane Adventures, but there's a lot of
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  innovation as well and phrase Blair, but I can always see what
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  you on Earth out tortured, you know, because I think there's a
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  lot of smarts there, amongst all the smart as well.
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  It's it takes a little while to get its find, its feet.
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  Doesn't, it starts off really trying to be something that it's
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  got no right to train to be and doesn't succeed at all.
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  And but once it does find a treat, then yeah, there's
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  there's some gold in there, wasn't They're so anyway.
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  All that? Yes.
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  All which would gladly talk to it?
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  I'm definitely excited to both. Thank you very much.
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  Both of you, by the way of saying.
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  Yes, because that's a hell of a commitment, and it's Technica
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  podcast for both you. Now, which makes me so happy
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  anyway, on to the seeds of seeds of, that's a bloody doom on to
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  the seeds of death. So I is still yours again.
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  There's the Baton. Yes, so the seeds of death is a
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  story from 1969. From season six of Doctor Who I
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  know Fraser has already done a commentary for a season.
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  Six story that he believes is, is far superior to this one.
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  So I think there's going to be a little bit of controversy all
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  the way through this, and a little bit of disagreement
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  between the three of us. Maybe, maybe we'll see.
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  We'll see what Frizzle could do. You actively dislike this?
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  Of course not. I don't actively dislike it.
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  I just think that there's better stories than this in the season
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  and in fact of all of dr. Hope you know, never mind.
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  You know, the place I come from is is a place that's was very
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  eloquently described by a beautiful soul that is Jeff God.
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  And when he said, you know, I love all of Doctor Who I just
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  love more, some more than others.
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  Mmm. So it's not like I dislike this
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  episode the story. That's a hell of a lot of makeup
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  Ferguson there. even it it's just, there is a birthing other
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  elements that, you know, bring it down in, in my ratings of You
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  know, in it, bring it down in how I feel about the compared
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  with other stories, really. So interesting.
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  It's, it's pretty average in my, in my opinion.
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  So yeah, we'll just get that out.
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  We'll get that out there. Now, we'll get the The, the
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  incendiary comments out now, it's just average, whereas
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  awesome. I think, I think this is
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  probably the wolf best story of the season, after war games,
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  mine drawbar. And The Invasion, I think this
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  is predominant at the dominators ranks.
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  Now, just be great for didn't even right before.
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  So, I ended up, I think, for me, this is a story that I've owned.
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  And for a very long time and I think I undervalued it for a lot
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  of that time and I think it's one that has risen and risen and
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  risen up up the rankings for me as the years have gone on and I
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  would place it. Let's maybe maybe second in the
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  season after the croutons. Hey I love those protons but I
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  don't love the protons more than the war games.
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  Let's see your scores croutons dominant as see today.
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  Well, I mean for me it's I think you know obviously WarGames
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  croutons dominate as my hand rubber or all better than this
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  one is only really I would say maybe the invasion and space
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  pirates. Unfortunate part of a space
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  pirates. It always gets left at the
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  bottom, doesn't it? All right as well but it's
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  Dowell. That's why because we can't see
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  it. It's because we can't mom got
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  Those those five episodes, and, of course, I got, this was like
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  him back. Quite knows what to do with his
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  regulars, either. Especially come episode 6
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  weather in a couple of film inserts and that's it.
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  Well, that's the big problem with a series, isn't it?
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  It's, you know, by the time would get to the end of this
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  series. The, the regulars are Runnin.
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  On fumes, it while the regulars are Korean the series because of
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  what's going on behind the scenes, you know, you've got ten
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  sticks up and Comin, learning his craft, but you've got And I
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  forget, who was the producer at this point, Peter Iron Man,
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  who's in the ball yet. Exactly.
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  So it's optional ratings are down.
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  You know, you're all coming out with, you know, it episode
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  stories, 10 episode stories, which are really stretching the
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  production. So, it's everyone's just kind of
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  running on fumes. And I think this, this story for
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  me is a good example of that way.
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  It's just, you know, the things that live put it above, which is
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  Michael Ferguson and the regulars.
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  You know, enough to give it a little bit of, get it over the
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  Finish Line as it were, but you can tell.
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  This is just a, it's Quicken and the show itself is is stretched
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  and struggling. I agree with you.
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  Those are the two best things about this story.
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  I think the guest characters as well really Elevate this fuchsia
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  misskelley, people like that. I think they are they add a lot
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  of value. Well, should we skip into
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  episode 1 and watch the thing? We should probably stop watching
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  it and then talk about it as a very good idea.
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  Okay. It's going to cause in I will
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  count to say in five, four, three, two, one, Go episode
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  receiving now, voices, genius. Well, they had a weird computer
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  voice in the first, I swore his story didn't know that sort of,
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  I can't do that one. It's we'll give it a go.
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  I can't even remember it. That's how little I watched.
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  Nice Warriors. Well, it's funny.
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  You should say that because you're watching the exact same
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  story know better. Yeah.
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  It's very, it's pretty much the same for anything else has come
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  up with pretty much the same story.
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  I mean, even even lambaste, Every Nation for that, but no
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  one stops to think, you know, crying heels is just delivered.
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  Exactly the same story. I don't think this feels at all,
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  like the ice Warriors. I saw set up in the ice
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  Warriors. You've got the two, so it's Man
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  versus machine, isn't it? It's yeah, you know, it's the
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  Advent of Technology. You've got pendley, running
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  against the computerization. See what Eldred here.
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  Running against team at you've got the two old comrades who
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  have fallen out, which is pending and current in the ice
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  Warriors, but it's El Dorado. What?
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  No. Brad, no.
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  And this one you know that the story beats are identical for.
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  I think I think this is got far more emphasis on sort of action
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  adventure, Alien Invasion and far less typing.
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  I think the ice Warriors is far. More likeable character tail?
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  It feels like it feels to me like a historical in the future.
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  Yeah, it's all right. Yeah.
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  So and that's because I suppose is got a lot little bit more
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  story to it where was this one came?
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  Kind of runs out, not quickly, because it takes a long time for
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  nothing happen in this one. I feel.
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  But this is a lot more fun. The ice Warriors, basically runs
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  on the spot for about four episodes waiting for someone
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  like a bloody decision about that spaceship, I'll give you
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  that. This one does one up and down
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  the same code, or food aims and runs through lots of form a few
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  times as well. So yeah, there was there is what
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  the computer says, we can't do this.
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  Why can't we do this to ourselves?
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  But I do think I do think, like I said, the guest care.
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  Is this a good? I think the guest characters in
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  the ice Warriors are stronger, like it is.
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  And I do think I think this is a better story because I think
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  this is more fun to watch, but I think that's a better character
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  tail. There's more meat on the bones
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  of the ice Warriors, you know, it depends what you want from
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  your store if you want, you know, action adventure and you
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  know people slipping out and fairy liquid.
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  Then you know, this is the one he really wants to make a bit
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  More a bit more like to see a character driven and and you
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  know, that central theme of man versus machine is developed a
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  lot more in that ice Warriors. Yeah, but I've been doing this
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  this story fascinates me because we're in 1916 the very late 60s.
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  So 68, this was made and written and man is going to the moon and
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  Rockets are the really big thing at this point.
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  Everyone is crazy about About space travel and exploration and
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  so Doctor Who doing a story where they go to the Moon.
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  Should be a really big thing. But what's interesting here is
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  that there's this fatigue about Rockets which are the big Fad in
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  the whole world at this point. But in the story, they've just
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  moved on. Yeah, and I find that really
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  fascinating from the timing, because this should be a big
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  space rocket heavy story and it is, but it's not like the
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  stories you'd expect up to So, to be telling at this point in
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  time, I think had Star Trek come along at this point, because I
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  really feel like the team as leading into, like, the
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  transporter now because Star Trek didn't get to the UK, until
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  after the war games, it replaced Doctor Who on Saturday nights.
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  Yeah I think you've hit on something really quite
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  interesting. Their side that Willow agrees
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  that the, you know, that the signs of the time was You know,
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  quite futuristic for that time, but then, you know, sort of
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  Doctor Who was then took The Next Step Beyond the site
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  instability. If you think, you know, a few
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  years before this, you know, sort of like 63 64 65, then
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  Rockets to the Moon, would be pretty Unthinkable, but coming
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  in 68. 69, I guess a that's that's what's going to happen.
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  Not long after this, they are going to put, you know, someone
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  on the moon on a rocket and for the doctor who take, That leap
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  beyond that and go. Okay.
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  So what's the next logical step after Rockets to the Moon, then
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  is, You know, trying to transmit the Moon is, is a really clever
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  idea what's fabulous about it is they make it so domestic though
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  that you've got, like, one in the London landmark and things
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  like that, is that it's just so, so mundane these boobs
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  everywhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So is as much as a police box of a, you know, red Phone Booth to
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  be commonplace. And under, than in this time,
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  then that's what you want the team at the become.
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  Like, just Regular just the everyday.
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  Yeah. But I do think like the whole.
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  Do we put our trust in the machine thing that element isn't
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  here. It's a it's a piece of Machinery
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  that we use that. We need to get from A to B is
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  the piece of Machinery. We need to fix in order for the
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  story to work but there's there's not that sort of
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  agonizing, you know, do do we trust that?
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  You know the that everyone would they've got past that question,
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  they do trust it because it's just the way things are now but
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  then the next question comes along as they do.
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  We trust the machine. Yes, we trust the machine.
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  But then what happens when the machine lets us down mmm and as
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  our good friend and receive a call as is commonly when we went
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  out and asked for questions. You know, she's reference the
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  machine stops, the short story in this is, you know, exactly
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  what's happening. You know what happens when you
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  are. So reliant on this technology
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  and you know what it is, is inductance currently have like a
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  irritating. I saw, you know, those holding
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  up the plot all the time, you know, like get back in Monster
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  appellate or someone like that, who's, you know, causing a bit
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  of Mischief here. You've got a piece of technology
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  that, you know, we need to get a few more episodes that is where
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  break team at. Again, we can get and we can
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  churn out a few more episodes of the ice whereas stomping about
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  on the moon. So I'd just like, to quickly
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  mention that, that's how it'll be done for the stoplight.
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  Yeah, brilliant. We've talked all over him and
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  he's dead now. So Thank you.
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  Harry. It was lovely to see you.
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  Five minutes in as well. He does.
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  Yeah, he gets some. Yeah, he gets the plastic chair
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  of death. Oh, that's right.
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  Yeah. Did you say Sam Smith for that
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  ceremony recently? Yes, he was wearing the hearing.
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  They All Odds Jan. Well, can I mention them, please
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  The Fabulous POV shots that Michael Ferguson's doing of the
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  ice warriors on the moon. What is it a bigger?
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  And it's very cleverly done. As you get glimpses of the
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  monster. But because we've never seen a
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  nice log before or you wouldn't know necessarily who it is.
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  That is coming back, so it's really nicely done.
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  It's the classic thing, isn't it?
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  It's keeping you on Starbuck until the first Cliffhanger.
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  You know thing which Mabus Bobby does really well in the
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  dominators when the qual disappear.
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  So it's it's a crappy student, it's nothing particularly new
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  but it is done very well. It's time really stylish Li and
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  it's done in a way that will keep your interest.
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  Like we've done aliens attacking basis for an entire season in
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  season 5. So there's nothing new.
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  But I don't think it was None quite like this before that's
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  what makes it you know, maybe Michael Ferguson thought that I
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  was like what we've done this for you over again and again,
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  let's spice it up a bit. Can I take a moment to point up
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  know that we are eight minutes into the story and the Tardis
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  team of just arrived. If this was a Colin Baker story,
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  people will be clamoring. Now saying how dare the sixth
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  doctor and Perry, not join the story until this point?
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  But yes, and I mean obviously, it's a 23 minute run time, 8
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  minutes so kind of it. The third of the way in before
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  we see the doctor Jamie and Zoe now is that an issue for you
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  guys or or knocks? I know it is for some people.
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  Some people are You know, I like that.
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  We've had a big long setup here. I think that works really well
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  and we know from the behind the scenes stuff that the regulars
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  are really tired and they're doing whatever they can to keep
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  Patrick troughton happy now. After he's had to carry the
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  whole first episode of the Mind robber and the three of them
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  have had to do this. So you know, they make sense
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  creative choices. I I know, let's give Patrick
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  child a chance to play the villain.
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  All right. Well that's bloody exhausting
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  because now he's got to do two parts.
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  All right? Yes, the mind Robert.
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  Let's have a whole episode featuring just the regulars.
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  That'll be great. A great Money Saver.
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  Well, that's why we've got a carry 20 minutes of this type
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  know what and is doing what 48 episodes a year.
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  Yep, yep. And it's amazing.
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  And and the most brilliant thing is you wouldn't know it.
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  None of that shows on the screen.
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  They don't look tired at all. This Is one of my favorite
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  Tardis teams. This is a team you would want to
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  travel with because they're just going around in the universe,
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  having great fun, even though they are confronting scary
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  monsters and foam every other week.
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  But so, I have a good rapport between these three actors is
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  one of the finest Trio's in Doctor Who history.
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  And it's a good thing, it is as well, because like I said, it is
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  the whole series. Now is running off the back of
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  these three. I don't agree with you entirely.
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  I think, I think there's enough sort of story worth Direction,
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  worth and other bits and Bobs in this.
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  Well, welcome to discuss part 4. We see will have a really good
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  opportunity to put that to the test because someone goes on
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  holiday don't do. But that happens all the time in
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  the 60s, that happens all this. Yeah.
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  So do we praise her highness has just heard a holiday in The
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  Invasion. He's been asleep for three
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  weeks. Yeah, but when you see people
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  character, it's a bit. It's a bit harder to get away
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  with. Isn't it comes when it's Jamie
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  or when it's Susan or when it's Barbarian or someone?
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  It's a lot easier to work around that when it's the doctor.
• 23:17
  How well do you think that works out here?
• 23:19
  And I will jump ahead now, but when the doctors at the action
• 23:22
  from our episode was just like, William Hartnell in Dalek
• 23:25
  invasion of Earth. The story keeps going.
• 23:27
  It's like the doctor Light episodes.
• 23:28
  In the new series, the stories keep going, like, does the
• 23:32
  doctor have to be the focus all the time?
• 23:35
  I don't think so. I just got be a bloody good
• 23:37
  story. It's interesting Doctor Who so
• 23:41
  there is that argument that he does when I had the BBC video
• 23:46
  obviously. That was all a feature-length
• 23:49
  story and for a long time, I didn't notice that he was absent
• 23:55
  for a whole episode when you watch it like that because the
• 23:59
  story is continuing and there's lots of action in Jeopardy,
• 24:02
  through that episode. And you've got the standing
• 24:05
  who's just there. Just enough to remind you and
• 24:08
  the doctors just just unconscious.
• 24:11
  So, It doesn't didn't feel like a big big problem is that the
• 24:17
  episode where we go to Earth, where the ice Warrior first goes
• 24:20
  to Earth, and he starts talking, and then he'll and they're going
• 24:23
  out. Here we go.
• 24:23
  Yes, either fill in that accident, that episode full of
• 24:26
  like memorable stuff to sort of distract you from the fact of
• 24:29
  the doctors, not around at them and you still got Jamie and Zoe
• 24:33
  are cute. As a button, we love hanging out
• 24:34
  with him. Yeah, I was I was exactly the
• 24:39
  same. When I watched the time meddler
• 24:40
  on the 1992 or 93, repeat seasonal.
• 24:44
  I completely missed the fact that William article goes on
• 24:47
  holiday and episode ever see what the sort of pre-recorded
• 24:53
  audio of them in the cell in some on trucks in water through
• 24:55
  it, but the monkey. So that was enough to fold fool
• 24:58
  me when I was a teenager. Mhm.
• 25:01
  Yes me. Sorry like go away I'll come up
• 25:03
  when I'm ready. Awesome.
• 25:07
  So you sparked something in me that a second ago, you said you
• 25:10
  wanted that you'd want to hang out with this Tardis team.
• 25:13
  Yes what made me think the dr. Jamie Zoe.
• 25:16
  It's not the three of us is free kids or get
• 25:32
  anyone other than freezer. God get me.
• 25:38
  The bubble wrap. Come on.
• 25:45
  I want to say is well, right way, I know only on the moon
• 25:47
  nowhere. No nowhere on.
• 25:48
  Earth at the moment that Bloody little wallet.
• 25:51
  They've got the amount of shots that Buckle focus and gets
• 25:55
  silhouetted shots out of that Lit Up wall.
• 25:58
  I think we need to sorry. I mean, the whole set is, you
• 26:03
  wouldn't think this was lying Groove know that they did a hell
• 26:08
  of a lot into these into this tiny Studio.
• 26:11
  Yeah. And none of it feels cramped.
• 26:13
  No. Little lady speaks spaces.
• 26:17
  And so that that's down to unpause Allen who was the set
• 26:21
  designer and Michael Ferguson again here being extra clever
• 26:25
  with his camera work. You know is how we should do
• 26:29
  things as well. Yes, which gives you a sense of
• 26:32
  space numbers reflected on people's faces and there's just
• 26:35
  always something interesting going on in the set Yes, and
• 26:39
  it's there's a lot of shooting people from behind and things
• 26:43
  like that. So you pull out, so you
• 26:45
  instantly feel like you're in a big space because you're looking
• 26:49
  across them. So like this shot here with
• 26:53
  eldred's, sort of helping them holding them up at gunpoint, but
• 26:56
  the regulars are all back to the camera.
• 26:59
  So if you feel like you're looking into this room, hmm.
• 27:03
  What are your kind of being held up there?
• 27:05
  Not you because the guy was coming here.
• 27:08
  Yeah, I think he's always thinking about composition,
• 27:10
  isn't it? It's like I got a lot of money
• 27:13
  but I'm not got a lot of creativity and I'm going to use
• 27:16
  it. Yeah, I think I know you two
• 27:19
  have discussed Michael Ferguson extensively when you did.
• 27:22
  Did the 7 episode epic, that is the ambassador's of death but
• 27:29
  here there's a lot of very similar techniques so we'll see
• 27:33
  that with the ice Warrior location footage.
• 27:36
  Which yes, yet very Very, very like obviously like the Masters
• 27:41
  and things like that but and his, his Studio work is just
• 27:45
  superb. He's so far ahead of just about
• 27:49
  everyone else and at this point and we've got got some really
• 27:53
  heavy weight Doctor Who directors working on the show at
• 27:56
  this point. So David Maloney and Douglas
• 27:59
  Canfield and David Maloney again and again because they keep
• 28:04
  coming bringing him back but he's the equal of all of them.
• 28:08
  Is one of the best directors of dr.
• 28:10
  Whoever and phrase I feel I was. Sorry, god.
• 28:15
  Well I was just going to leave us with another question.
• 28:17
  You know, why do we not talk about Michael Ferguson in
• 28:21
  general in higher turns? Why, you know, you think the
• 28:24
  great directors you do think will become field and even
• 28:28
  Maloney. You know Michael Ferguson is one
• 28:30
  that has doesn't really get top billing in a lot conversations.
• 28:35
  Why do you think I've got an answer though?
• 28:38
  I think Ferguson doesn't have now, I think ambassador to death
• 28:42
  is a bit of a classic but I don't think he has what is
• 28:46
  considered to be a classic amongst the ones that he's
• 28:50
  directed and so like that he can field has Dykes master plan
• 28:55
  everything and season do and what porphyria alone He's Got
• 28:59
  Talent, swing triang makgeolli Brian's got robots of death.
• 29:03
  I think he's brilliant Michael Ferguson but I don't think in
• 29:06
  like fan. That you know, that horse a.
• 29:09
  So if an opinion that he's got an out-and-out classic, I could
• 29:13
  be wrong now and I think maybe it's just because he only does
• 29:17
  440. Yeah, and to be a classic
• 29:21
  director of Doctor Who you've got to put your, put your hours
• 29:24
  in. And if you do, do a hell of a
• 29:27
  lot more than that. So all those people we
• 29:30
  mentioned, they're directed a hell of a lot of Doctor Who.
• 29:33
  And if you include Derek Martinez, who is often sort of
• 29:36
  referred to as one of Doctor Who?
• 29:38
  Outside directors as well. Then he does loads and lots of
• 29:44
  big big well thought of Adventures as well.
• 29:47
  So, you know, I think that might be something to do with it that
• 29:50
  he perhaps he takes what generally our average scripts
• 29:56
  and elevates them rather than having a really fantastic
• 30:02
  script, although I do really like this one, I will keep
• 30:05
  stressing that but you know, No, I do wonder if if that's if
• 30:11
  that's it, whether he just takes something and takes it up to a
• 30:14
  different level. I think, in terms of producing a
• 30:19
  piece of Doctor, Who stylish Li ambassador's of death is his
• 30:26
  best direction of the for, but you know, what's really
• 30:29
  interesting about him is he does a heart know, he does a
• 30:32
  troughton, then he does to Jon pertwee's and you would expect
• 30:36
  because TV came on a A lot in those sort of across those
• 30:41
  doctors, you think that his direction would improve.
• 30:44
  I think the war machines is brilliantly directed, he's fully
• 30:47
  formed when he yeah, he comes, he knows what he's doing and he
• 30:50
  was a young Jewish, man at that point as well.
• 30:52
  So I'm probably his weakest even though it's still good.
• 30:57
  Is his last? I think.
• 31:01
  Yes, quite possibly. I mean I'm still probably got
• 31:04
  more time for Access than I have the war games and but would find
• 31:09
  it difficult to argue that to be honest you've got more time for
• 31:13
  axis than the war games. I think he needs the war
• 31:16
  machines. Our machines got Griffis late.
• 31:19
  They were if you to Doom seeds of like you genuinely made, So
• 31:35
  interesting about this and I do think it probably is two
• 31:42
  episodes too long, it would be a really tight for part of this.
• 31:47
  There's a lot of talking points. Yeah, and here we are.
• 31:52
  We're nearly through episode 1 and we've barely talked about
• 31:56
  what's actually happening on screen because there's a lot of
• 31:59
  things to unpack before we get there, as a reason for that we
• 32:02
  haven't got very far yet. That's what happened on screen.
• 32:05
  That's right. Get your setup.
• 32:08
  You know, this is a this is what part one is for it is to sue
• 32:12
  give you the relationships between people, it is to give
• 32:16
  you the The status quo, then break the status quo and have
• 32:22
  the problem that has got to be done.
• 32:26
  Could it be done, quicker? Movies on this?
• 32:29
  Do you think? Maybe?
• 32:30
  But this is the 60s and not every part.
• 32:32
  One. In the 60s is of, is a Pacey
• 32:35
  classic, you know? So we're enjoying the characters
• 32:39
  and we're getting to know these. People was what you said about
• 32:43
  the regulars, being Vice alive and are vital to this first
• 32:46
  episode of tall. This episode would play out,
• 32:49
  pretty much beat the be whether they were in it or not.
• 32:52
  Yeah, I mean, this could be another mission and you know, to
• 32:54
  be honest, yeah, here they are at the back of the shot but
• 32:58
  they're not contributing anything to this argument
• 33:00
  between the free free people here.
• 33:03
  It's once a decision has been made to use the rocket Yeah,
• 33:07
  that's when they all become vital, when they all go up to
• 33:09
  the, they all have a role to play.
• 33:12
  I mean, there is a very good reason.
• 33:14
  You can't put Elrod in the rocket though, why Eldred must
• 33:18
  live? Interestingly live, he was
• 33:24
  supposed to go up in the hospital or in the original
• 33:27
  version of the script before. It was he he was going to go up
• 33:31
  to the Moon with them because he snuck away because he wanted to
• 33:34
  be on these rocket. It is a bit weird.
• 33:37
  It is been spending all this time building this rocket and
• 33:39
  he's desperate to go. The spices are long, but I hang
• 33:41
  in, you know, hmm, I can fill terroristic.
• 33:45
  Say no, way on a minute, we need someone small down on the planet
• 33:48
  later when the dirt is how to stop these ice Warriors.
• 33:53
  That's what you want to do. We for Sorry that can stop a
• 33:57
  lovely. Lovely Zoe.
• 33:59
  Oh my word Wendy pepper has got pockets of charm as a she oh my
• 34:06
  God. What's that always?
• 34:08
  Gotta Scout monster. It's a nice Warrior dad and here
• 34:17
  we go and here we go to lose multi-court from the story as
• 34:20
  well. Who is back after playing three
• 34:22
  parts in the keys of marinus. What No, he's gone.
• 34:26
  If I'd three parts in that story.
• 34:28
  Yes. Wow, it's prolific.
• 34:31
  Very so. Do you have an issue with
• 34:33
  mirror? Lon?
• 34:34
  There's quite a lot of it because I'm gonna swell, I'll
• 34:37
  comment on Twitter that's like oh, don't you know, like it.
• 34:41
  Well, if there's one thing in the story that we've got more of
• 34:46
  than form, it's Movin On. Is it gets a little bit
• 34:50
  tiresome, it's just a every, you know, if you took all the middle
• 34:55
  on scenes out, you would have five pots rather than six does
• 34:58
  that many miral on deaths. In this it just gets a little
• 35:01
  bit repetitive. Actually, it's a lovely effect.
• 35:06
  It's just time to have another one.
• 35:08
  I'll meet up with her what 79 already in this episode and 300
• 35:13
  more to come and see. Like what 16 Stevie, although be
• 35:21
  lovely. You know, they had that Empress
• 35:23
  of Mars effect where they turn into bouncy balls.
• 35:26
  Mmm, isn't it? It is, I think it's a little bit
• 35:31
  beyond them for the sixties, maybe boys.
• 35:34
  I mean, I don't you. All right though, I think the
• 35:36
  barely touch what was on the screen in that, you know, not
• 35:39
  much to say, well, I'll tell you what phrase, have you interrupts
• 35:43
  so to and keep us on track? Oh, well, Absolutely never
• 35:48
  manage that.