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- 0:02Time for another Investor Exchange podcast. Here are your hosts, Matt and Sally.
- 0:07Welcome back to the Deep Dive. Today, we are tearing apart a set of financial
- 0:12results that honestly gave me a bit of whiplash. Whiplash is a good way to put it.
- 0:17We're looking at CDL Hospitality Trusts-CDLHT.
- 0:22They just released their full year results for 2025 about a week ago on January
- 0:2730th. And usually, you know, with these hospitality reads, the story is pretty simple.
- 0:31People travel, hotels make money, investors get paid. But I was reading through
- 0:35this stack, the press release, the slides, the financials, and it felt like
- 0:39I was reading two different stories at the same time. It's definitely a complex picture.
- 0:42Right. On one hand, you get this shiny new strategy in the UK.
- 0:45On the other, I look at the total payout for the year, like.
- 0:48Well, let's just say my wallet felt a little lighter. I mean,
- 0:51this isn't just a did they sell enough hotel rooms conversation anymore.
- 0:54We're looking at a fundamental shift in what this company actually is.
- 0:57They're trying to pivot from being just a hotel landlord to something much broader.
- 1:01Right. The living sector. We'll get to that buzzword in a minute.
- 1:04But we have to start with the elephant in the room. The cash. The distribution.
- 1:08Because if I'm an investor holding this for income, the full year number for
- 1:122025 was kind of pain. It says, let's not sugarcoat it.
- 1:16For the full financial year 2025, the distribution per stapled security,
- 1:20or DPS, as you'll see it, was 4.80 cents. And compared to 2024.
- 1:25It's down 9.8 percent. So yeah, almost a double digit drop. See,
- 1:29that's where I get stuck.
- 1:30A 10 percent pay cut is hard to swallow. If I'm a retiree relying on this for
- 1:35income, I'm not really looking at strategic pivots. I'm looking at my bank account.
- 1:38So why was the drop so severe? To understand that, you really have to split the year in half.
- 1:43It is a tale of two very different economic climates.
- 1:47The first half of 2025 was just brutal.
- 1:50Brutal how? Well, you had interest rates still hovering near their peaks.
- 1:54And for a REIT, that's like trying to run with weights on your ankles.
- 1:57Plus, the foreign currency situation was working against them.
- 2:00Meaning the Singapore dollar was too strong. Exactly.
- 2:02When you earn money in pounds or euros or yen and you have to convert it back
- 2:06to a strong sing dollar to pay your investors, you just lose value in that translation.
- 2:11So the first half put them in a really deep hole.
- 2:13Okay. So they started the race with a flat tire.
- 2:16But what about the second half? The results just came out for the period ending December 31st.
- 2:22Did they manage to patch it? They did. And then some.
- 2:25If you isolate just the second half of 2025, so July to December. Okay.
- 2:30The story completely flips. The total distribution to security holders was $35.9
- 2:34million, which is actually up 1.2% year-on-year. Oh, okay.
- 2:39And the DPS for that half was 2.82 cents, a slight nudge up of 0.4%.
- 2:43So they stopped the bleeding. More than stopped it. They stabilized the ship.
- 2:47And maybe most importantly for the long-term view, the actual value of their
- 2:50portfolio, you know, the buildings, the land, all the assets,
- 2:53that actually increased by 0.8% to $3.4 billion.
- 2:57That's a crucial distinction. The income dipped, but the asset value held firm.
- 3:01Which implies the underlying real estate is healthy, even if the cash generation
- 3:05faced some serious headwinds earlier in the year.
- 3:08All right. So we have this stabilization in the second half.
- 3:11But stabilization is a boring word.
- 3:13I want to know where the growth is coming from, because looking at the breakdown,
- 3:17it wasn't the usual suspects.
- 3:18It wasn't Singapore carrying the team this time.
- 3:21No. And this is where that identity shift we mentioned comes into play.
- 3:25The MVP of the second half was, without a doubt, their UK portfolio.
- 3:30But not just any part of it. It was the living sector assets.
- 3:35Living sector. I saw this term plastered all over the presentation.
- 3:39For anyone who doesn't know, we aren't talking about hotels here,
- 3:40right? No, not at all. We're talking about built-to-run apartments and purpose-built
- 3:44student accommodation.
- 3:45Basically, long-term stays. So being a landlord rather than a hotelier.
- 3:49Precisely. And the numbers that really back up the strategy.
- 3:52In the second half of 2025, the net property income, or NPI,
- 3:57for the UK portfolio skyrocketed by 42.0%.
- 4:0242%. That is a massive jump. You rarely see that kind of growth in real estate
- 4:06unless you've just bought something new.
- 4:07And that's part of it. They have a property called the Castings in Manchester.
- 4:11It's a build-to-rent asset. The Castings?
- 4:14Sounds dramatic. Like a Game of Thrones location. It's actually a very modern apartment complex.
- 4:20It opened in mid-2024, around July. So the second half of 2025 was the first
- 4:25time we saw it firing on all cylinders for a full six-month period.
- 4:28That revenue is now fully flowing in. Okay, so that explains the jump.
- 4:32It's new money coming in. But is it good money?
- 4:36Because the argument against rentals is usually that they yield less than hotels, right?
- 4:41The yield might be a bit tighter, but the quality of the income is completely different.
- 4:45Think about it. A hotel guest checks in for two nights. If there's a recession, they might cancel.
- 4:50A tenant at the casting signs a lease for a year. A student at their Benson
- 4:54Yard property in Liverpool signs up for the full academic year. It's sticky.
- 4:57It's very sticky. And speaking of Benson Yard, look at the occupancy.
- 5:01For the academic year that started in September 2025, they are at 94.1% committed
- 5:06occupancy. Ninety-four percent is basically full. It is.
- 5:09And remember, students need housing regardless of what GEP is doing.
- 5:13By adding these assets, CDLHD is effectively buying an insurance policy against tourism volatility.
- 5:19That's a really interesting way to frame it. They're trading the high highs
- 5:22and low lows of tourism for the steady, boring grind of monthly rent checks.
- 5:27Correct. Plus, they acquired the Hotel Indigo Exeter in late 2024.
- 5:31So that's also contributing to this U.K. boom. It's a multi-pronged attack.
- 5:36So the UK is the golden child.
- 5:39But we have to look at the problem, children, too. I scroll down to the Europe
- 5:42section, specifically Germany and Italy, and it looked like a bloodbath.
- 5:47Double digit drops in net property income. What happened there?
- 5:50Did everyone just stop going to Munich?
- 5:52No, they didn't stop going. They just stopped going as much as they did in 2024.
- 5:55You have to contextualize this. Okay, contextualize a 31% drop for me.
- 6:00Because the Pullman Hotel Munich was down 31.2%. That sounds catastrophic.
- 6:04It sounds bad until you remember what 2024 was. Do you remember what happened
- 6:08in Germany in the summer of 2024?
- 6:09Oh, the Euros. The UEFA Euro 2024.
- 6:13Munich was a host city. The entire continent descended on Germany.
- 6:17Hotel rates went through the roof.
- 6:18On top of that, they had NFL games in Munich. They had massive concerts.
- 6:22It was a complete unicorn year.
- 6:23Ah, okay. So 2024 was a massive party. And 2025 was just the hangover.
- 6:28Or just the return to reality.
- 6:30This is what we call the high base effect. When you compare a normal year against
- 6:34a record-breaking year, it looks like a decline, but it's really just normalization.
- 6:39So the hotel isn't failing, it's just not hosting the Super Bowl every weekend.
- 6:42Exactly. And it's a very similar story in Italy.
- 6:45The Hotel Saratani Florence saw its NPI drop 32.7%. Was there a soccer tournament
- 6:52in Florence too? No, but Florence had an incredibly strong 2024 as post-pandemic travel really peaked.
- 6:59In 2025, things cooled off a bit. Plus, there was an increase in supply.
- 7:04More hotels opened in the city, which just spreads the tourists out more.
- 7:07Competition heating up. That's something to watch. It is. But again,
- 7:10these are high-quality assets.
- 7:12A drop after a record year isn't a signal to sell. It's a signal that the market
- 7:16is finding its new equilibrium.
- 7:18Fair enough. Let's bring it back home to Singapore. This is usually the anchor,
- 7:22the steady part of the portfolio.
- 7:23But I noticed a lot of construction talk in the Singapore section.
- 7:28You did. And this is a critical part of their strategy for the next few years.
- 7:32They are heavy into what they call asset enhancement initiatives or AEIs.
- 7:37Which is corporate speak for renovations.
- 7:38Renovations, upgrades, facelifts, whatever you want to call it. But it's strategic.
- 7:42Look at the Grand Millennium Auckland in New Zealand. They've fully upgraded it. Why?
- 7:47Because the New Zealand International Convention Center is opening right nearby.
- 7:51Smart. Get the hotel ready before all the delegates arrive. Exactly.
- 7:55Capture that business travel wallet. And in Singapore, they're refurbishing
- 7:58the W Singapore at Sentosa Cove. I saw that.
- 8:01And while I love a shiny new lobby, as an investor, renovations mean closed rooms.
- 8:07And closed rooms mean zero revenue. That is the trade-off. It's short-term pain for long-term gain.
- 8:12While the W Singapore is getting its facelift, yeah, income will be disrupted, that's just math.
- 8:17But once it reopens, you can charge a significant premium.
- 8:21A refreshed luxury product commands a much higher rate. So 2025 was a bit of
- 8:26a construction set year for them.
- 8:28A transition year, they're cleaning up the portfolio, upgrading the tired assets,
- 8:33and really positioning themselves for the next cycle.
- 8:35Okay, let's talk about the one thing that usually terrifies me when we discuss
- 8:39real estate investment trusts.
- 8:41Debt. We've spent the last two years talking about how rising interest rates
- 8:45are just crushing REITs.
- 8:47It's been the headline for the entire sector, hasn't it?
- 8:49So I braced myself before looking at the capital management slide.
- 8:52But then I saw something that just didn't make sense. In 2025,
- 8:57a year where rates were high CDLHT reduced their weighted average cost of debt to 3.0%.
- 9:05It is a surprising number, isn't it? Surprising. It's suspiciously low.
- 9:09How do you get 3% debt in this economy? Most mortgages are higher than that.
- 9:13Did they pull some kind of magic trick? It wasn't magic. It was timing and maybe
- 9:17a bit of aggressive hedging. They used a mix of fixed rate debt and interest rate swaps.
- 9:22Essentially, they locked in their borrowing costs before the worst of the rate
- 9:25hikes hit, or they took advantage of specific windows to refinance very cheaply.
- 9:30Okay, so they locked it in. But my skeptical side asks, when does that insurance
- 9:34run out? because if they're paying 3% now and the market rate is,
- 9:38say, 4% or 5%, eventually those hedges expire, is there a refinancing cliff coming?
- 9:44That is the right question to ask. The documents show they have a healthy gearing
- 9:48ratio of 37.7%. Now, the regulatory limit is 50%, so they aren't maxed out.
- 9:54They have plenty of dry powder.
- 9:56Meaning they can borrow more if they need to. Yes.
- 9:59And regarding the expiration of those low rates, they have staggered their debt
- 10:03maturities. They aren't going
- 10:05to wake up on January 1st, 2027 and have to refinance everything at once.
- 10:09But yes, as time goes on, that 3.8% cost of debt will likely creep up slowly.
- 10:14It's pretty much unavoidable unless global rates crash. But for now,
- 10:183.0% is a massive competitive advantage.
- 10:22It protects the dividend. It absolutely does. It preserves cash flow that would
- 10:25otherwise be going straight to the bank.
- 10:27It's one of the big reasons they could maintain that stability in the second half. So let's zoom out.
- 10:31We've got the U.K. living sector booming, Europe cooling off from a party.
- 10:36Singapore renovating, and the debt situation under control. Yeah.
- 10:40What is the actual thesis here? If I'm buying CDLHT today, what am I betting
- 10:45on? You're betting on diversification.
- 10:47A few years ago, if you bought the stock, you were betting on tourism, pure and simple.
- 10:51If people flew on planes, you made money. And now? Now, with this whole living
- 10:56sector pivot, you're betting on something else.
- 10:59You're betting on education and migration. That is a profound shift. It is. Think about it.
- 11:04Student accommodation isn't about holiday goers. It's about the global demand for U.K.
- 11:09Degrees. Build to Rent is about young professionals needing housing in Manchester.
- 11:13These are, you know, essential services. So they're becoming a hospitality and
- 11:17living tribe. That's the rebrand. And it fundamentally changes the risk profile.
- 11:21It makes the income smoother, less spikes, but also fewer crashes.
- 11:25But does it cap the upside?
- 11:26I mean, hotels can double their rates overnight during a big concert.
- 11:30You can't just double a student's rent in the middle of a semester.
- 11:32That's the tradeoff. You give up some of that explosive upside for downside protection.
- 11:37And given how volatile the world is right now, a lot of investors might actually
- 11:41prefer that protection.
- 11:42Speaking of volatile. Right. What are the risks we should be watching?
- 11:46Besides another pandemic, obviously. Jew politics is always there. Wars stop travel.
- 11:50But the silent killer for CDLHT is currency. Because they report in Singapore dollars.
- 11:57They own assets in the U.K., Germany, Italy, Japan, Australia,
- 12:02New Zealand, the Maldives.
- 12:03That is a lot of different currencies.
- 12:05If the Singapore dollar strengthens, which it often does as a safe haven currency,
- 12:10their overseas earnings look smaller when they bring them back home.
- 12:13So even if the hotel in Japan is absolutely packed, if the yen is weak,
- 12:18the report looks bad. Exactly. It's called forex risk.
- 12:21They do hedge, but you can't eliminate it entirely. As an investor,
- 12:25you have to be comfortable with that currency exposure.
- 12:27And what about the macro travel trends? Are people still getting on planes?
- 12:30Is that revenge travel thing over? The data says yes, they are.
- 12:33They cited UN tourism stats predicting international arrivals grew 4% in 2025.
- 12:39We're kind of back to pre-pandemic growth trends.
- 12:42The demand is there. The question is just where they're going.
- 12:46And it seems like CDLHT is trying to be everywhere they're going.
- 12:49And everywhere they're living.
- 12:50So to wrap this up, 2025, a year of very mixed headlines.
- 12:55I'd call it a foundation year. The 9.8% drop in full-year distribution hurts, absolutely.
- 13:01But they used the time to renovate key assets, prove that the UK living sector
- 13:06concept works, and lock in cheap debt.
- 13:08They took the hit to fix the roof. Essentially, yes.
- 13:11And now they have a portfolio that is younger, more diversified,
- 13:14and less reliant on just tourists showing up.
- 13:17It's definitely not the same company it was five years ago. It's becoming something sturdier.
- 13:22Maybe a little more boring, but sturdier. And in this market,
- 13:24boring is often beautiful. I think that's the perfect place to leave it.
- 13:27A fascinating look at how a giant ship turns in the ocean slowly but deliberately.
- 13:32Thank you so much for breaking down these numbers with us today.
- 13:34It's always so much clearer when we dig past the headlines. My pleasure.
- 13:38And before we sign off, I have to read the mandatory disclaimer. Please listen closely.
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- 13:58Do your own due diligence, everyone. See you in the next Deep Dive.