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#384 - For Azeroth!: “McGuffin Magoo" · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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Just nerf the bosses. If the issue is not enough
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people are able to kill these bosses, just nerf them or make
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the raid buff bigger. Victory for the Forsaken, for
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Lauderon for the Kieran Tour. For Pandaria, for Calendar to
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the burning region, for Gilnaeus or has not died, for the Lich
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King, for the. Sindori for the alliance for.
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The Horn for Azeroth. Hello and welcome back to
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another episode of For Azeroth. I am your host Manny, a gay the
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true villain Manny and I am joined by the one the only, the
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sensational Sean. Hello Sean, how are you and
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how's the world worker been treating you?
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Hello Manny, I'm doing well. I had a bit of an ordeal on
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Monday this week. I was travelling to see Angelina
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to get our truck. I'm heading to London for LFG
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this weekend, bending the truck to get Shadow to the farm.
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She's there now. It's a real farm, people.
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It's not like what they say. It's like an actual boarding
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place. Yeah.
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And my heart skipped a beat there.
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Yeah, and then to get myself to the airport.
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But I had an ordeal of some cancelled ferries.
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Turned out about 8 hours of quality time together into two
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hours of 2 1/2 hours of quality time together with some
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alternate travel arrangements, an expensive car rental and a
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long drive. But all good.
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We are ready to go for London and war crafts are treating me
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well. We're deep in Bella Renfrog.
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We hit second egg phase last night a couple of times.
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I we, I think we have the tank movement figured out in P2.
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It's we were over moving early on and we realized just be
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steady, don't move so much. And we have that sorted and we
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are shifted our rates. We shifted normally rate
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Thursday, Sunday this week because I'm away, we and I'm
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tanking this fight. We raided last night, Tuesday
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and we will be raiding Monday because I get home on Monday.
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I think we're in kill range Monday.
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I think Monday is probably a kill for us and then we'll be on
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to Lura and the final boss of the tier for now.
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OK, so you'll have to forgive me.
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I'm a little bit fuzzy on where the hot fixes and such that have
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been coming up. If they were done for Mythic
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Loren Bellerin this week or is that this upcoming week that
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they're that the changes are coming?
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But yesterday they added 10 seconds to the intermission
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timer for Bellerin. That was the only change that
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came in. And yeah, that happened this
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week. So we have an extra 10 seconds
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on intermission. It used to be a 32nd
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intermission. Now it's a 42nd intermission.
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When it initially launched, there's there's an orb set that
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spawns in that egg phase that previously it would spawn and
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then tanks would clear a hole so it doesn't touch the egg because
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if it touches the egg, it's a wipe.
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And then they would go to the edges.
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And in that fight when orbs go to the edges of the walls, they
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then bounce back into the arena. But because the intermission was
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only 30 seconds, they would never bounce.
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By the time they bounced back, you were out of the eye slice
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portion and just into the bird phase.
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You could have people with immunity soak them around the
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bird. Well, when they initially
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launched this on Tuesday, they didn't adjust the timing of when
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those orbs spawn. So they were coming back onto
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the egg when it was still in pie slice phase.
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So people were having to shift immunities.
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They did hot fix that yesterday, so it was only that way for a
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couple of hours. They hot fixed it to push the
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timing of those orbs to 10 seconds later so that it it now
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functions the same way that it did prior to the change.
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Got it. OK.
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All right. So overall, the extra 10 seconds
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of like up time on the egg definitely help I would assume
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to like burn down assuming that you get back into your second
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egg phase. Yeah, so that what what that
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extra 10 seconds does, and it's weird, a lot of teams are not
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doing this, but what that extra 10 seconds does is allows you to
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run a fourth healer. Right now the Strat is currently
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to three heal that fight. Like prior to yesterday, the
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Strat was to three heal the fight and because you just
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needed to for the damage check. But with the addition of the
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extra 10 seconds, I thought we would see more teams switching
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to four heels just because it you can basically have one
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dedicated healer that is like orb, orb soaking almost full
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time and helping out with that. And it just keeps things a
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little safer. But it looks like a lot of teams
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are not making that switch. They're keeping with three
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heels. So an extra 10 seconds.
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An intermission functionally doesn't change for any of those
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teams because you're still doing 2 egg phases.
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You're still playing all of phase one, then egg intermission
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one, then all of phase two, then egg intermission 2.
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By if you by maintaining 3 heels, you don't actually make
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the fight any easier, you're just killing it sooner in that
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second egg phase, which wasn't the difficult part of the fight
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anyway. So I don't know why it'd be like
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Blizzard nerfed it to allow you to bring a fourth healer and
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also to allow for some comp adjustments.
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I think there's some classes that weren't performing very
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well on the eggs that this that their people just weren't
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bringing them arms. Inferior warrior, for example,
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don't perform very well. So a lot of teams are running
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prot warrior, which is why I'm in for this fight.
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But with this change, you could theoretically run those less
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optimal DPS comps and just being able to bring a fourth heeler
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just it gives so much more safety and stability to the
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fight. But yet a lot of teams are not
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opting to do that. So it's not really a nerf for
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them. It's not changing anything
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functionally for them other than, you know, they're killing
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the egg faster in P2 in the second egg phase, earlier in the
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second egg phase, which I mean, once you get to that point,
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you're, you're, you're pretty good.
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Anyway, though, it's, it's weird to see teams not making that
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adjustment to four heels, but we did.
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We swapped the four heelers for that fight.
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And yeah, we're feeling pretty good.
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OK, that actually sounds like a very elegant change that that 10
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seconds allows for like the less optimal specs to DPS specs to go
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in for people to run that that 4th healer or for some teams to
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like, you know, say, Nah, we're going to continue going three.
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I do I do like that. So good luck to your team.
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Hope you guys get down real soon and then you're up to Midnight
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Falls and. We probably would have killed it
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last night but I hit the entire raid with a tank frontal because
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I'm bad at the game so I get to carry that around till Monday.
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Listen, listen, you can't. You can't be hating on yourself.
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You're just an average player, as you say.
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Right. Average, yeah.
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Right. So you can't expect perfection.
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So these things happened. Yeah, I felt below average
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yesterday. So I'm glad that that's going
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today we're going to be talking about 12 point O .7 because that
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has been unleashed on to the PTR and that happened just after our
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last episode. And then on top of that, we got
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further updates this week. So there's been a lot happening
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on the PTR. First and foremost, we got to
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get this out of the way. We're going to like, give Sean
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his accolades. There's a lot of stuff pointing
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yet again to troll, troll, troll as the lore walking includes
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this entire bit of going through the Loa and the story that won't
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come immediately on patch release is going through the
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Harendar meeting up with, or rather calling an event and the
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trolls of Solomon discovering some ancient history.
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So a lot of things pointing to Sean being right.
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And I'm, I'm willing to call it here where Lex isn't here to
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gang up on me and also be like, yeah, Sean's right.
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So we'll we'll get that out of the way.
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Sean, how does it feel to be right again?
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I mean, at this point, you know, it's like Barry Sanders is a
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former running back, Hall of Fame running back in the NFL,
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played for the Detroit Lions, pulled a rookie one time after
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the rookie joined the league and, you know, got a touchdown,
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had a big celebration. Barry Sanders is famous for
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saying, act like you've been here before and you will be back
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to sort of say like, you don't need to do these big bombastic
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things to celebrate, you know, a victory.
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And I feel a lot like that, Manny.
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I'm going to act like I've been here before and and expect that
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I will be back again. So it doesn't seem anybody who
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is paying any attention at all to any of the story, anything
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that the, the, the hooks were pointing us to.
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Yeah, it's, it's not a shock if you, you can't throw a rock at a
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YouTube video talking about the story at midnight and not find,
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you know, somebody who's saying we're going to this island a
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tall utech, I'm 12.1. So yeah, I'll take it.
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I'll take it. But I definitely know I was not
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alone. It's theory.
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OK. On top of that, we are getting a
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number of small features that are being added to.
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Some of them are developing past features.
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So if you liked the void assaults and ritual sites,
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they're expanding upon that. They're doing 2 new locations.
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One is Najtal, which is a fungal and arcane rich world now
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occupied by the Sidious ethereal faction.
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It's got I would say that this one looks like Sangamarsh with
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the mushrooms that that are in there, but it does have that big
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fungal brood dinosaur in there as well.
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So we'll we'll call it a mash up.
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The other one is a very icy world, Val, which was once
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inhabited by the Legion, where the Dominar Imperator Hurton
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acts has established their base of power.
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And so this will be two new locations where you'll be going
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and dealing with that. This is world content.
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You'll defeat rare enemies, you'll have events and such that
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are in there before you take down down the leaders.
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And I'm happy for world event players and for people who enjoy
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that content to have that. But Sean, this doesn't seem like
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it's up our alley, really, unless there's some cool shield
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transmog attached to it. No, and they're not new.
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I mean, they say new in this in this article, but they're not
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new zones. They're both from Legion.
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They're from Legion incursions. They're reused zones.
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So new to some, but not new zones, new to midnight.
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Yeah, I did avoid assault in Zolomon.
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I did avoid assault and ever song.
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I will do one in Nagatol and I will do one in Val.
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And I suspect that will be the end of it.
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I I really struggle. So I it's because so I'm glad
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that Warcraft has this opportunity for lots of players
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to be able to experience the game the way they want.
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In the last episode with Joss and how she's playing without
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any end game content, but even she doesn't seem to be engaging
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with a lot of the open world content really.
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It's delves occasionally a prey until that became too boring for
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her. Well, she didn't unlock the
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nightmare mode yet, so she still got something to do with Prey,
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Yeah. Yeah, but like, I don't, I
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struggle for me, and maybe this is just because of the way that
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I play the game, but I struggle to see the value proposition in
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Void Assaults. What can you like what what can
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you do in those that you can't do better in other content that
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already exists? So void assaults and ritual
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sites. They have a new currency that
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allows you to buy transmog or hero track or champ track gear
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randomly. But you can already buy hero
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track gear from delves if you have rank 9 unlocked and delves
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are faster. And delves give you champ track
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loot at the end of the run and delves give you mythic crests
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and hero crests. I don't I don't know what the
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value proposition. Like I I don't know why a solo
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player would choose to do a void assault, which in my opinion
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take a very long time. I think it takes longer to do a
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void assault than it does to do with a plus dungeon.
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Depending on the dungeon, I guess I can do a sky reach and
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like 16 minutes though, and I've seen them done in 13.
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Void assaults take longer, but I don't know what the value
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proposition is. I don't know, like who is it for
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what? Who is doing this?
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Like what are you gaining from doing a void assault instead of
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just doing a ritual site or just doing a Delph?
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Like what what is the purpose? Do you do you know, like have
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you spoke to anybody who's like, man, I really love these because
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I can AFK them. I don't understand.
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Like, yeah, we're getting two more.
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Well, no actually in 12 point O .7 it looks that we're getting 6
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ritual sites that award that are going to award mythic crests as
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well. So they will go up to mythic
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crests, apparently from the. Data.
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That's not 6 sites, that's tier. Oh, sorry, that's Tier 6.
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My apologies. Right.
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But I would say that the difference it is in terms of
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challenge in variety as well. Like when I look at the instance
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content that people will do, you do dungeons and there's often
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that same thing where it's like, why would you do the other ones
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when you can do this one, which is the fastest and get a get
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through. And a lot of people when
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they're, they're filling up their vaults and there's nothing
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else, there's no resistance 2, just running the same one over
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and over again, They'll do it. They'll just look, look through
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the, the the group Finder. They'll be like, this is the one
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that like, I can do the fastest. I I've got this down to an art.
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And they'll fill up their vault just plugging, plugging through
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that. And for the audio crowd, yeah.
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Sean pointed to himself. So those people, those two
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people do exist. But there are people who want to
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go or go about and do different things.
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They get tired of doing the same thing ad nauseam.
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And this is there for them. This is there for the people who
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like maybe really love ritual sites.
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And they're like, OK, can you turn it up a notch if there's
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also a part of it where it's, if you don't have the same level of
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gear that other people do, perhaps that the ritual sites
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are a bit more challenging than being able to jump in with a
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bunch of people in the same location.
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You don't have to talk to them, right?
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But they all help each other out, right?
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And so there is this like pseudo community aid, mutual aid going
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on with void strikes. Again, this is, this is just me
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looking at angles. I, I don't have that, that
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perspective. So I'm, I don't want to say I'm
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grasping at straws, but I'm, I'm just trying to think of things
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that would work for it because I am, I'm not doing ritual sites,
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even though there are amounts. And eventually I will go back
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and say, OK, let's go through this.
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I'm not doing the void strikes and the capstone thereof, which
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is like assault. I'm, I keep mixing those around.
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So yeah, I think different strokes for different folks is
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going to be the answer on this one.
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OK. Yeah, new void assaults coming.
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Congrats to the Void assault enjoyers.
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Yeah. And I think that if you are
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doing like, let's say you have one or two friends and you're
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like, oh, let's just go do stuff together, both of those are
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available, same as delves, where you could do delves together.
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But often I've heard that delves are easier and more efficient
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alone, where the rituals might be something that's new and fun
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for your group. And so I'm not sure how the
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scaling works on either one. Yeah, yeah.
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I, I'm sorry, guys. It's just it's not my cup of tea
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to to use that phrase. But as I said and Sean corrected
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in 12 point O .7, the ritual sites are unlocking 1/6 tier of
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difficulty that will get you Myth Dawn Crest.
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That will require 6 challenges where tier 5 required 4
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challenges. So you're going to be using all
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but two. There is still that achievement
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of beating a tier 5 ritual with all 8 done.
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At this point, I don't know if there's going to be a new
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achievement for doing a six with all 8, but that seems like the
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logical progression. So you'll have to use all, but I
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guess the two most cumbersome in order to get through a tier 6.
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Now Sean, let's move on to something that might be more at
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your speed. I guess because they are making
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a couple of UI updates for this and one of them is of course a
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personal resource bar updates. That is something that I
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personally found useless in its current form.
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Them addressing that is good, but from what you are able to
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read on this, from what we've seen so far, basically that
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there's additional customization.
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The new options allow you to control the size bar with the
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height visibility in that which is just welcome but basic.
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You can now hide the health bar independently of the energy or
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resource bar, and you can also hide the class resource bar
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independently of your management bar as well.
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Can be shaded to match your color.
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So if you are liking that because it, you want it to work
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with your LV UI or whatever, that is also available.
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But LV UI likely has its own version built in.
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And there's just like a couple of this like aesthetic things.
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So glad for this, Sean. Is this something that you'd be
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like, OK, now I can actually maybe use the base UI for this?
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Or is there stuff that you still think is missing for personal
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resources that this that this update should add in?
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I can guarantee you I almost never use the base UI for
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anything at this point. This is good for players who
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aren't running an add on that you know they want the UI to
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look a certain way. I have a lot of friends who play
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bass UI who are dealing with like this.
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The struggle of not being able to hide health and power
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separately, that kind of stuff. This is really more speaking to
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would you remember way back when we talked about add-ons, we
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talked about the flexibility that add on devs have?
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And how when they identify an issue, they can prep a solution,
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push the solution. And it's live in a day.
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And one of the concerns that we had was how often and how
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frequently Blizzard would make updates to their in game
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offerings that are good things that we need.
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The players want that they're asking for to fix issues.
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And we said we really hope they don't just tie all the updates
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to patch cycles. This is exactly that, they have
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tied all updates to patch cycles.
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So why do we have to wait 8 weeks to be able to switch the
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vertical? The text on the left or right
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side of the vertical bar? Like why is that tied to a patch
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cycle? Right?
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That's the adjusted colors for gaining threat and high threat
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on raid frames and name plates. Why are we having to wait for a
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patch cycle for that to get pushed?
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The damage meters are still functionally useless.
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There's no nothing in here right now and in in the damage meters.
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If you're in a group, if two people die on the same boss, for
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example, and you hit your death recap, it's like a 5050 chance
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if you're going to see what killed you or what killed them
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under your name. There's no mention of a fix for
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that. There's still no proper way to
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track augmentation Evokers. We talked about that before.
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I just it's I'm out, I don't none of it feels that I wish
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they had not done any of this. They are unable to give us the
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flexibility and customization that you can get from add-ons,
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which we knew going in was going to be the case.
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But instead all they do is constantly make changes that
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break the add-ons that have gone out of their way to make things
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functional and make things look the way they were before.
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And this just means 12 point 0.7 is going to launch and
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everybody's UIS are going to have to get fixed.
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They hopefully the add on devs are on the PTR finding out what
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the changes are and hopefully there's no last minute day of
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changes, which there have been every single patch.
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So yeah, this is great for anybody who is running base UI
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and already finding ways to work around the severe limitations of
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it. I don't I don't care.
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I I am so I was so excited for UI changes.
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I'm so out now They it just I I just want the impact to the
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add-ons that I use that make the UI look the way I want to be as
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as minimal as OK. So then with that new frame of
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mind and the fact that when they do make these adjustments, it
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breaks the UI stuff that you're using, are you then happy that
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it is limited to these patches so that it isn't disrupted?
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Every time you like the servers go down.
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You're like, uh oh, did did they update something?
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Yeah, that's a good point, I guess.
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Yeah, I guess I am happy they're limiting it to patches so they
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don't ruin my my, my game every Tuesday.
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Yeah, yeah. That's I think.
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That's the reason that it has to be limited to these, these
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patches because it is something that people working off of it
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will need to adjust, adjust for. So if they put this out next
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week just to be more responsive, there would be the issue with
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every add on that cooks into it. Yeah, I just like imagine,
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imagine you're a bass UI player who wants to be able to change
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the size of their damage meter to make it smaller.
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And you, you just can't, you have to wait until 12 point 0.7.
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Like, I don't know, just some of these officers, they just feel
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like we we we're taught, we've talked add-ons to death.
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I'm not going to Yeah, I this this has no impact for me.
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I don't care. OK, so that seems it seems we're
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2 for two on John not caring, though this this not caring was
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a was a bit more terse. Yeah, I'm just.
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Trying not to repeat all of the same thing.
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I'm sure the listeners are tired of hearing me complain about
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this stuff so I'm just trying not to repeat that.
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Update your add-ons on launch day of 12 point O .7.
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You know, June 16th, I think it is.
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All right. So then we will move forward to.
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The. New raid Sporefall which is
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coming in 12 point O .7. This is as we had talked about
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the flexible raid. We can go from 15 to 25 players
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at mythic difficulty. Now, we had talked a bit about
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this one before. There was a question that came
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up in Max's interview and that's how we got a little sneak peek
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about this. I want to focus on 15 to 25.
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Do you find that that is it's a 10 player range, obviously
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centered around that original 20.
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Do you find that this is the right range?
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Now I know a lot of people were asking for a 10 man rating and
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this isn't quite that. Do you think this range should
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be expanded? What's your thoughts?
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I mean, I'd love to see 10 tended to like ten man to 20.
25:28
Like I know they want to try and limit it because it helps to
25:30
impact balancing and stuff like that.
25:33
There's ray buffs to consider. I would love to see it have the
25:37
same range as heroic. Like heroic is 10 to 30.
25:42
I would love to see this be the same 10 to 30.
25:45
You know, we want flex rating in any case is good.
25:49
Having it be 15 to 25 is still limiting to some of those teams
25:53
that maybe don't have 15 or maybe have 30 Raiders on their
25:58
roster, right? So there is still some
25:59
limitation there. If you match, if you mirror it
26:01
to Heroic, at least everything is in the same lane.
26:05
Just feels like we're right now Heroic is 10 to 30 and then you
26:09
get funneled into hard 20 for Mythic.
26:11
So we're widening that funnel a bit, but it's still a
26:14
bottleneck. But I would love to see it be 10
26:17
to 30. Ecstatic that it's existing at
26:19
all though. So 15 to 25, great, we'll take
26:22
it. You know, ultimately this means
26:24
that somebody's going to math out.
26:26
You know, it's best if we take 16 or 17 Raiders because it
26:29
means we get one more, one less of this mechanic.
26:32
Cool that that's fine. Let people figure that out and
26:35
and have their fun that way. As a third tank on a roster, it
26:39
still feels kind of bad knowing that there's no way this is
26:42
going to be a three. Like we can bring more DPS and
26:44
healers, but I'm still going to have to DPS if I want to be in
26:47
for this. But that's kind of a bad
26:48
feeling, which diminishes some of my excitement for it.
26:55
But overall, I, I, I really hope the flex rating goes well.
27:00
I hope it's received well. I hope Blizzard, whatever
27:03
numbers they're tracking, I hope they get numbers that say this
27:06
worked OK for us and that they consider doing in the future.
27:10
I ideally, I think, I think a lot of people want it to be
27:14
something that doesn't open until after Hall of Fame closes,
27:18
which is where I think I stand. But I got to be honest, if they
27:21
came out and said we're just going to do it right out of the
27:23
gate, I don't know. I also don't necessarily think
27:26
that's a bad play either because there are teams that are going
27:30
to clear AOTC faster than Hall of Fame close.
27:32
Like right now we're heading into we're, we're in .5 and Hall
27:36
of Fame is still not closed yet. There's only like 90 kills on
27:39
midnight on, on on on Mythic Lura.
27:42
So you, there's a lot of teams that are AOTC teams that would
27:45
like to be able to go into that Flex Myth grade that if we keep
27:48
it locked to Hall of Fame wouldn't be able to.
27:51
So maybe lock it to a .5 patch launch.
27:54
Then we're going to unlock Flex Mythic, something like that.
27:57
Or even set in from the beginning and let the Race to
27:59
world first teams figure out what the best optimal comp is to
28:02
get the the first kill. You know, don't design.
28:05
We should never ever design this game around Race to World First.
28:07
It's 3 guilds, 75 players, handful of analysts.
28:12
You know, you can tell me that there's 300,000 people who watch
28:14
it. That's great.
28:15
They're going to watch it anyway and it you know, so yeah.
28:19
But I'm excited. I am, I'm, I'm glad.
28:21
I want this to be a gateway, a gateway raid into more flex
28:26
mythic. Hopefully they're doing some
28:28
weird things with the loot. Have you seen the latest on the
28:30
loot? No, tell me so.
28:33
Right now the loot is launching. It is.
28:35
There is no upgrades. The loot is launching at its Max
28:38
item level per track. So the myth mythic raid loot is
28:43
dropping at myth item level 298. It doesn't upgrade.
28:48
It's comes, it comes upgraded. It is soul bound.
28:51
So it was previously war bound. That has been removed.
28:54
It is now soul bound. But so I I'm excited that
28:57
there's no upgrade required that it just I miss, I desperately
29:00
miss the days of I got a drop. I'm done.
29:04
Like right now we're in a world I said to my to my friends
29:07
yesterday. Bonus loot feels great.
29:10
I'm getting a lot of myth track pieces to fill slots that I had,
29:12
but I'm still hard capped by crests.
29:15
I have 3 myth track items that are only that are that are
29:19
capped at six of 6/6 of 6 heroic equivalent 276 because I just
29:24
don't have the myth crests to to upgrade them.
29:27
So it's, well, what do I the they're functioning the same as
29:30
having heroic pieces. I'm just like constantly in this
29:33
backpedal of, OK, here's my 100 myth Crest for the week.
29:36
Now I'm upgrading. So I like the idea that I don't
29:37
have to upgrade. I, I actually kind of low key
29:39
wish we could just get rid of upgrading, Just let the piece
29:42
drop that you need. But yeah, so that's happening.
29:45
But the thing that I don't like about the loot is the stats are
29:48
random. So now you're going to have to
29:52
hope. You're not just hoping for a
29:54
piece to drop. Now you're hoping for a piece to
29:56
drop with the stats that you want.
29:59
They're calling it Spore fused. This is awful.
30:04
Nobody wants R&G on their R and GI don't want to be eagerly
30:09
waiting for my, you know, the piece that I'm so excited for to
30:11
drop to only have a drop with versatility, Versatility and
30:14
mastery on it. Please just pick stats and put
30:17
them on them so we know what we're chasing.
30:19
Or or you know what, just let me like walk in with a missive and
30:25
slap that on to the piece and then choose my stats.
30:28
If you want the stats to be something, give determination to
30:31
the players. Hell, give a bump to the
30:33
inscriptionists that you create those missives.
30:36
Just let me let me choose it. If it's, if it could be
30:38
anything, I, I, I understand why it's being done in this raid
30:45
because one, it's a one boss raid.
30:47
So once you defeated the boss, you're not affecting the the
30:55
progress of of future fights. It's not that like this boss
31:00
gets defeated and then because this team got like great stats
31:02
and this team got garbage stats on like the on the right or
31:06
wrong pieces. Now they're boss too is that
31:09
much easier. So this is very contained and I
31:12
so I understand that I personally am right there with
31:16
you. I hate random stats.
31:19
I think that the psychology of oh, I finally got the piece and
31:25
it rolled my two worst stats is a horrible place to be.
31:31
Or oh, I got one good stat, but the other one's bad and my
31:35
friend got the the two best stats.
31:37
Like it's just there's, it's bad for just a psychology of
31:42
players. I don't like that upgrading is a
31:48
different thing. I think that upgrading your
31:53
gear, especially since gear in a lot of the raids drop at
32:01
progressively higher item levels, is almost that you're
32:07
sad that your steak's too juicy. Like you can't order enough.
32:12
You can't order enough butter or something for your lobster
32:16
because like there will be there's.
32:19
I just remember the before times before we had upgrades and you
32:23
would get a really great weapon, but it drop off the first boss.
32:26
And so therefore you weren't as good as the other class that got
32:31
their best weapon from like a boss later because their their
32:34
item level would therefore be that much higher.
32:37
This is this definitely allows for equalization.
32:40
This definitely allows for you to like stealth nerf content
32:46
week after week as you get a hold of more mythic Crest.
32:50
So yes, the limitation of Crest or valor points before that or
32:58
gold if you happen to be broke feels bad because that's the
33:04
limitation, but the ability to then build up everything I think
33:09
just outweighs it. I, I think we're always going to
33:12
look at like, what's the thing holding me back and hate upon
33:16
that and not realize that it's part of a system that allows
33:19
like if upgrades were utterly free, 0 crests, 0 gold,
33:23
whatever, right? I don't.
33:25
Well I don't want upgrade, I just want the piece to drop at
33:28
the Max item level the way it used to be.
33:30
Yeah, but like. Then later bosses wouldn't be as
33:38
rewarding progress wise. So like everything would drop at
33:41
a flat item level in the tier or you would still have
33:44
progressively higher items that drop from later later bosses?
33:50
I mean, you could put higher item level on the last two
33:52
bosses, which they've done in the past prior to crests, and
33:56
that's fine, I think. Yeah, I don't think that's a
33:59
problem. I just like, I really really
34:03
just like it feels awful to log in, get 2 bonus loot rolls pull
34:08
so pull a myth piece out of your vault that's 80 crests to
34:12
upgrade it get 2 bonus rolls. So either if I if I just do raid
34:17
now I'm going to let's say I send it just on a raid item.
34:20
Now I have two myth track pieces for the week to upgrade, but I
34:23
only get 100 crests and it costs 80 crests to upgrade one to
34:26
full. So now meet that means I can
34:28
upgrade one to full and put 1 upgrade into another one.
34:31
Now when the next week comes along and I get two more myth
34:33
pieces, I can Max out one for 60 and then one for 40.
34:38
That's if you're doing raid only, but if you're using those
34:40
bonus rolls on mythic plus. Now you're getting 3.
34:44
Like and you end up with, like I said, I have three pieces in my
34:47
bags right now that are 276 myth track pieces that are just hard
34:50
capped because I can't get I'm I'm perpetually falling behind
34:55
on crests because crests aren't uncapped, But that I mean it
34:58
just it completely. I I think bonus lute is great.
35:01
I think it's the best bad luck protection they've ever
35:03
released. I but it has lost a lot of the
35:07
luster knowing that I'm going to be bonus looting bonus getting
35:11
pieces from bonus that are essentially heroic track pieces
35:14
at Max level. And that's where they'll stay
35:17
for multiple weeks because next week we get the ability to
35:22
upgrade our weapons and our trinkets to add two more upgrade
35:25
slots to those. And unless it is just a flat,
35:27
here's two more upgrades on your thing and not a an item that
35:31
allows us to upgrade twice more. Well now I'm upgrading weapons
35:34
and I'm not upgrading things from the vault at all.
35:38
I don't know who that's fun for. I don't like having six pieces
35:42
in my bags that I know in 2 1/2 months will be Max.
35:45
Doesn't feel great to me. Like I, I, I do, I lament.
35:51
I like when the challenge was the RNG of getting it to drop.
35:54
I want to just farm that dungeon.
35:56
I want to just farm that boss. And when the piece drops, you're
35:58
done. You got the piece.
36:01
But the way it is now, when the piece drops, you're not done.
36:03
Now you have to figure out what's the most optimal Crest
36:06
spend in the early season. Am I making sure that I'm
36:08
spending hero crests properly and champ crests properly?
36:12
Because if I don't upgrade my champ piece to six of six before
36:16
I upgrade my hero piece, then I'm losing out on 20 hero crests
36:19
that I had could have saved by upgrading to six to six champ.
36:22
All of that I find that is like an extra additional complication
36:28
that they've added just in this tier alone.
36:31
And I agree with you that it is weird that you like hold on to
36:36
your champ piece or your heroic piece to to like save on the
36:39
Crest so that you can then go back.
36:41
Like that to me is a weird optimization that I hopefully
36:45
they'll solve in the next tier, even if they it's weird because
36:49
it's as I said, it's a weird optimization.
36:55
You could do it on optimally and immediately, as they say that
37:01
every would be like, no, that's just wasting resources.
37:04
So is the headache were worth it or should they remove the
37:10
optimization and then you're that much further behind on
37:13
CRESS, right. Obviously everybody that I asked
37:17
that question to will say that's a false dichotomy.
37:19
Just give me more cress. So I don't have that that
37:22
constraint. I haven't seen in all of this
37:27
like patches anything to say we're removing the cap on cress
37:33
so that hey I can go farm them? I think that would be the
37:37
ultimate step, especially since the sporefall boss no longer
37:41
uses any of those crafts. So to unlock it in 12 point O .7
37:46
I think would be that would be the right time for this.
37:50
That said, the fact that your loot will grow over time, that
37:56
you don't suddenly jump to six out of six mythic because that's
38:02
what you got on your vault, that you get a upgrade and that in
38:08
future, in future weeks you will have stuff to upgrade even if
38:12
like your vault is like, OK, I didn't get anything out of my
38:14
vault, I'll get those extra bonus rolls.
38:16
Oh, those bonus rolls hit garbage, right.
38:21
When we get down to like only a few upgrades, that scenario
38:24
becomes more and more likely. And so this is going to be the
38:28
upgrade system that means that you are getting something along
38:32
the way. I wonder if it's instead of, I
38:38
don't know, I I feel like we're we're backdoor backseat gaming
38:42
or. Developing want to be still
38:43
working on getting your character to Max gear in the
38:46
last month of the patch? Well, in the last.
38:50
Two weeks, 'cause that's where we're at right now.
38:52
I mean, we're already at. That they're they are going to
38:55
be adding and we'll we'll be talking about this in a moment.
38:58
The extra bondoggle of power. So even if all of your gear is
39:02
maxed, congratulations, here's a new thing.
39:05
Even if all your gear is maxed this week, congratulations,
39:08
here's two more item levels to get.
39:10
So like is is the is this really new problem?
39:15
No, it's just more of the same. And I I'm on record of saying
39:19
that if the. If the argument is, you know,
39:24
gear upgrade tracks act as a passive nerf to raid bosses
39:29
cause players gain power incrementally over the season, I
39:32
would say I'd rather you just make nerfs to the bosses and let
39:36
us Max our gear. Like just, I don't want to have
39:39
to. I don't we're going to go into
39:40
next patch 12 point where in the next next season we're going to
39:44
go to 12.1. It's exhausting, exhausting
39:47
trying to explain to people how the upgrade track works when
39:51
they have to save Crest and and we haven't even talked about the
39:54
the big the most egregious thing.
39:55
The actual best way to gear was to gear an alt and downgrade
40:00
your myth track crests. The hero track crests the
40:03
faster. Unlock the hero track upgrades
40:05
so that you could then get the Crest save on your main like.
40:09
Any, any time I'm, I watch a lot of Mr. GM and he's a big fan of
40:13
saying because he's, he does a lot of like collector content,
40:16
open world, sort of, I don't want to say casual, but like
40:18
that, that open world collectors type content.
40:22
And he talks a lot about the economy of like moral and
40:25
whatever the whatever the the currency is for the for the
40:28
expansion it was. Residence crystals before
40:32
whatever it is, it is, yeah, yeah.
40:34
And. He's a big fan of saying the
40:36
correct way to farm this should never be to have multiple alts,
40:40
that it should be fine for a solo player.
40:42
A Solar player should never find themselves significantly behind
40:45
somebody playing an alt. You're not.
40:46
If you didn't use that gearing trick on an alt for this, you
40:50
found yourself two to three weeks behind anybody playing one
40:54
character. And I mean, that doesn't matter
40:57
in the grand scheme of things that the level that you and I
40:59
play at and most of the people that are listening to the show
41:00
play at that probably doesn't matter.
41:02
But it still feels kind of bad to know that because I didn't
41:05
make an alt and downgrade my back crests, the better power my
41:09
main that I'm behind, you know, these other people that I do
41:12
play with sometimes, you know, maybe it maybe it does slow down
41:15
how quickly I can get into a group for a dungeon, you know,
41:17
that kind of stuff. I don't know.
41:18
It's just I just want the dungeons and the braid bosses to
41:21
drop the gear and that'd be it. I just want to get my drop.
41:25
I don't want to have to do extra work beyond that.
41:29
There any Does anybody know of an MMO that does that?
41:30
Is there an MMO where I can play where I kill a boss, I get a
41:33
loot and that's it piece that I want to drop and I got it.
41:37
Let me know so I can install it. Does critically acclaimed MMO
41:42
Final Fantasy 14 do that? Do you have to upgrade the gear
41:45
in that you're? Going to have to ask somebody
41:47
else. Unfortunately that is not my
41:49
lane. So yeah, I I have actually
41:56
benefited like when I was running 2 characters have my
41:59
warlock get Adventurer of the Dawn or Hero of the Dawn and
42:03
therefore allowing me to do the upgrades and downgrades.
42:07
And like, actually, I did go and be like, OK, make sure all of
42:12
these are 6 out of 6. Great.
42:13
Now my shaman can now do that. So and that doesn't matter for
42:17
the level I'm playing at. It doesn't.
42:19
And I dislike that that optimization exists.
42:22
This is something that is in this tier and was clearly
42:27
something that they didn't think about because there's no way
42:30
they they should have allowed it.
42:32
It was it was meant to be something that gave you an A
42:38
bonus to your alts. Hey my main is now all this has
42:42
all this gearing. Congratulations you can get your
42:46
alts to catch up. But if you have an alt leapfrog
42:49
you now your main can get advantage of that and everything
42:52
else. So like yes it is.
42:55
It is upsetting that it's a loophole that exists in the
43:00
system that was definitely not intentional and something that I
43:04
I greatly predict will be patched or rather solved in the
43:11
next tier. It's.
43:13
Existed for at least since the last two tiers because it was
43:18
you could do it in Manafort Omega as well.
43:20
It was the play in Manafort Omega also.
43:23
So it's not like this isn't it wasn't a new problem that came
43:27
up this season. It this existed last season as
43:30
well. And I can't remember if the
43:33
achievement existed in Undermine, but it definitely
43:36
existed in Manafort Omega. So it's not this isn't a new a
43:41
new problem and we don't have a solution.
43:42
Now. I have a solution, though.
43:45
Just have the gear drop and that's it.
43:46
And you don't have to worry about good tracks.
43:48
You don't have to worry about making gearing easier on alt.
43:50
You don't have to worry about any of that stuff if the gear
43:51
just drops and that's it. I'm hoping that's what Sporfal
43:54
means. Maybe they're looking at this
43:55
and saying, you know what? The up we've, we, we tried
43:57
upgrade tracks. We're just going to get rid of
44:00
it and we'll just add either a stacking raid buff in each raid
44:02
like they have now already, or we'll just do more targeted
44:06
nerfs when bosses need it, which they can do as well.
44:10
I, I don't know, I just, I am glad we tried the upgrade
44:14
experiment, but I'm, I'm over it now.
44:16
I It's no longer enjoyment for me.
44:20
I. Am terrified that they're
44:23
introducing a new problem that they're then going to sell the
44:25
solution for. Oh, random stats and then you
44:28
get this Mcguffin that makes it the stats that you want.
44:31
But we will God. If that happens, I'm blaming
44:33
you. It's too late now.
44:37
You can't blame me. But if you do want to test out
44:39
Sporefall next Thursday, May 14th, there is testing on the
44:43
PTR that's going to be from 1:00 PM PST for an hour to 2:00 PM
44:49
PST. Again, that is on May 14th.
44:52
And this is flexible testing. So Mythic Sporefall 15 to 25
44:59
players. OK Sean, let's talk about the
45:05
biggest Mac guffin the return of borrowed power.
45:10
Whatever catch phrase you want to use as with all point O .7
45:16
patches or point X .7 patches, because it'll happen the 1.7 and
45:20
the two 2.7 we are getting additional power.
45:26
Now I have repeatedly said I'm I'm going to hate this when it
45:30
shows up. It got spoiled.
45:35
And then Sean quickly ran to the FAZ Discord to share his
45:41
absolute Glee. I was less than happy about it.
45:47
Yeah, we're getting the Omnium Folio.
45:50
So in this case it's different. It is not a piece of equipment
45:54
that you will wear. It's a magical device that
45:58
Umbrick and Romath are using to empower you in the over world
46:03
and in dungeons and raids. IE.
46:09
I don't know what they're going to do in 12.1, turn it off.
46:12
I guess they'll just the maybe the power that was energizing it
46:17
suddenly has dissipated and we don't know why.
46:19
It will eventually get turned off though in that patch we we
46:22
just won't know how which makes it silly to me.
46:26
I don't know. It's I I am excited that we get
46:29
more on brick and raw meth. I love their relationship.
46:32
I love the interactions between them, sort of like odd couple
46:36
back and forth that they have. I'm looking forward to that.
46:39
Am I looking forward to another multi week hour grind to make
46:44
sure my character is the best that it can be heading into
46:48
12.1? But I mean, you can probably
46:51
figure that out. I don't think I need to answer
46:52
that. I know Manny's not looking
46:54
forward to it. It's a, it's a talent tree
46:57
esque. It's basically just more talent
46:59
points that'll be functional for the remainder of 12 point O and
47:02
maybe into a little bit of 12.1. You know, until they realize,
47:07
oh, this is way stronger than we thought it was going to be and
47:08
then cut it in half or turn it off or whatever.
47:11
Give them. That credit, they put these out
47:15
knowing full well that they're going turn it off.
47:17
They the time that they will change it, there's two times
47:20
they change it. One when they introduce it and
47:22
it's garbage low. So they're like, oh, we got to
47:24
pump it up to make it stupid and everybody has to have it.
47:28
And then 2 when they realize everybody has to have it and
47:30
they can't properly balance the next tier, so they turn it off.
47:34
Yeah. We should just clip this and
47:36
play that when both of those things happen when it gets with
47:40
12 point O .7 launches and it gets buffed four days later,
47:44
we'll just play that clip and then in 12.1 when it gets
47:47
nerfed, we'll just play that clip again play that clip again.
47:51
I don't, I mean. I'm tired boss.
47:54
I'm tired, I get. It man I get it.
47:56
This speaks to like just nerf the bosses.
47:59
If the issue is not enough people are able to kill these
48:02
bosses just nerf them or make the raid buff bigger.
48:08
This is also going to impact mythic plus everybody who's
48:11
chasing that 1% title. Well, when this power comes out,
48:14
whatever wherever you're at the day before 12 point O .7 and you
48:18
think, oh, I'm in the 1% I'm good.
48:19
Well, that number is going to go up as everybody gets power.
48:21
So if you're not coming back to the game and playing, if you've
48:24
taken a break, if you're not coming back and playing
48:26
actively, you're going to fall out of that 1%.
48:28
So now you're not going to get that amount.
48:30
It's I don't it's AII. Maybe I'm an ARPG player at
48:36
heart. I like Diablo. 4 is looking
48:38
pretty tempted. Like I'd like I was saying that
48:42
I want to play something else. I want to like try some other
48:47
games. I just The issue with this isn't
48:53
even that you're getting the power, it's that we all know.
48:58
We all know that it's an illusion.
49:02
Eventually they're going to turn it off and it is the exactly the
49:07
same grind issue you're talking about with the Crest upgrades.
49:13
Like, oh man, like I just, I can't just drop.
49:16
I can't just be satisfied. I've got to go chase.
49:19
I've got to go do my first choice and then my second choice
49:21
and then my third choice. I've got to come back in every
49:24
week and talk to Mcguffin Mamu and have like a bunch of like
49:31
barely contrived dialogue for me to go run out and do some busy
49:35
work so that I'm not holding my team back in whatever content it
49:39
is. And flat out I'm not doing the
49:42
1% anymore. Like I just I want off this.
49:45
I want off this rat race. I am done running this wheel.
49:49
I will get my 3400. I will say good day.
49:53
I will maybe start rating late when they turn this thing off
49:57
just so I don't feel bad and like the only way that this that
50:03
they stopped doing this is for people to stop engaging with it.
50:08
Yeah, that's never going to happen.
50:09
Yeah, I'm just going. To force myself to be able to
50:13
find the time to go touch grass, be the.
50:15
Change. You want to see Manny?
50:18
You're starting with the man in the mirror.
50:20
I've been listening to a lot of Michael Jackson lately.
50:23
Yeah. I OK, so but like look at these
50:26
abilities right there are it's a tech tree. 4 out of the five
50:34
have choice nodes. So the first one you have to
50:38
choose between an ability that will give allies of the lowest
50:43
health some some health or deal damage to to enemies.
50:49
The second one is that your spells 'cause down additional
50:54
damage or heal allies. Obviously one will math out
50:59
better than the other based on a number of things.
51:02
It's an illusion of choice. Go look at whatever guide will
51:06
tell you it. When they realize nobody's
51:08
choosing the other, they will hot fix it and the other one
51:11
will need to be looked at. And it goes like this all the
51:14
way down. There are three choices on the
51:16
next one. The third choice has one single
51:19
thing. The 4th one has four choices,
51:22
and the final node, which will obviously have so much more
51:26
power because it's the final node and you have to get through
51:28
to it, will have three choices but not.
51:32
Really, there'll be 1 mathematical choice that
51:34
everybody's told to take and that's what you'll take.
51:37
Hold on. I I say that, but I realize
51:39
there are people who don't care. They don't go and look at
51:41
Wowhead, they don't go to Icy Veins, they don't go see what
51:44
the OP. They just use their their, what
51:46
they want for their talents. They choose what they want for
51:49
things like this. Yeah, but what would?
51:52
Be to those players, because everybody in their sorry, there
51:55
will be some nosy individual I'm going to I'm choose my words
52:03
carefully. There's going to be some nosy
52:05
individual in their pug run in their raid, whatever that will
52:10
inspect them, look at their tree and be like you're doing it
52:13
wrong. The hot fix meant that this is
52:15
happening. And so there's going to be a
52:18
layer of players that are going to be just annoyed by this
52:23
because they're like, I don't know, I just wanted to pick
52:25
what? Everyone looked cool.
52:26
And it's not like Blizzard is getting better with their tool
52:29
tips. Hey, the effectiveness of your
52:32
core rune ability is increased by 100%.
52:35
Oh, which one's the core rune? OK Oh, did I pick the right core
52:39
room? Is that core room now better
52:40
because it's got the 100% effectiveness?
52:44
Is effectiveness causing it to proc more often?
52:47
Is effectiveness causing the proc to be stronger?
52:49
Is effectiveness? Like what does that mean?
52:52
Like go look at Wowhead if you don't normally look at Wowhead
52:57
if you don't normally look at icy veins.
52:59
If you don't normally go to your class discord.
53:04
This is the time that if you're engaging with this, no, don't
53:08
bother thinking about it. Just go download the PDF that
53:12
says here you go, here you go, here you go.
53:14
And check back next week when they make the hot fixes.
53:17
Yeah, I kind of a bummer that this is like, I, it it's I, this
53:27
is the advice that that we're giving and it kind of sucks.
53:35
That's the invite. You're not the the system isn't
53:40
fun and engaging in something you can experiment with, like
53:45
the the the the best way to engage with it is just to do
53:48
whatever a third party website tells you is best.
53:52
And that's so you can get your Max power gain from this Mac
53:56
Guffin for as long as it lives. I really be like, we need to
54:02
move away from these. I don't.
54:04
I don't know who this serves. Manny, we have to have
54:13
something. I'm happy to talk about what
54:14
else is happening at 12 point O .7 this is.
54:17
Really something material. So now we.
54:19
Get the lore walking like we talked.
54:21
About that at the top we talked about lore walking with lore
54:24
walking. We talked about lore walking
54:26
pointing to the trolls. Oh, we.
54:29
Did. Yeah, right.
54:32
Yeah, we. Did.
54:34
If we're going to talk about something that is upbeat about
54:40
this, it's going to be that one, their cadence is really fast.
54:47
So the the point at which this is actually effective and when
54:50
it gets shut down is going to be a quite a small window. 2, they
54:57
are continuing to improve upon systems.
54:59
The fact that this is not a item means that when they shut this
55:03
down, you could just move on with your life.
55:05
It is not oh crap, I've now got to go farm rings to replace that
55:09
ring or farm belts to replace that belt.
55:12
Therefore, good grief, I've got to do something that I was
55:14
ignoring before. This is an improvement in in
55:19
that way. Three, the fact that the lore
55:27
stuff is looking pretty good. I do love myself some troll
55:32
lore. Atalaman has been a fantastic
55:35
zone and I'm really glad to be doing more stuff with that.
55:40
And it looks like they are not going to villain Bat Zaljin.
55:44
And I was really worried he was going to, he was going to be
55:48
like a pure villain. But like it looks like they're
55:50
giving him some death. They're giving us time with
55:53
that. But those are lore things.
55:54
I love. I I do love lore.
55:56
I do have my criticisms of Midnight's lore and go listen to
56:01
our last episode where Joss was talking about how hard it is for
56:05
her to follow. But overall, I'm enjoying
56:11
Midnight. I'm enjoying doing Mythic plus.
56:16
I feel like the raid, even though Sean we're we're reaching
56:20
the end here, right? We haven't you haven't completed
56:23
every boss, but overall mythic plus season.
56:28
How do you still feel that this has come in as a low point for
56:32
Mythic plus? Not the worst season ever.
56:33
We'll we'll avoid giving a definitive, but do you feel like
56:36
this is at the lower end of mythic plus seasons or where do
56:39
you feel like it sits in the echelon?
56:42
No, I think. Plus is great.
56:44
I haven't I haven't held that opinion that it was bad since it
56:46
launched. That was a pre launch opinion.
56:49
I know we're. Just giving you an update.
56:50
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's it's a good I mean,
56:54
there I still don't like that I can't track kicks.
56:56
I still don't like that I can't track externals.
56:59
I still don't like that I can't track AOE stops.
57:01
That all feels awful. But the season is as far as the
57:06
season got Al Guitar Academy aside that dungeon, every single
57:10
change made to that dungeon can get launched into the sun.
57:13
It took it from an amazing dungeon and made it a terrible
57:15
one. But the other seven dungeons
57:17
feel great. It's fun pushing with friends.
57:20
People are able to push key levels higher than they could
57:22
before, which is good. Makes people feel good about
57:25
themselves to get better score. And yeah, that so Mythic plus
57:30
feels great. It's it's engaging and I'm
57:34
enjoying it. As far as the raid, I want to
57:40
say the raid's fun. I I still have.
57:43
I'm very unhappy that the weak aura that we're using for Lura
57:52
exists and was needed and was allowed to remain, and that no
57:58
changes were made because it just really, truly makes me feel
58:02
like, what did we go through all of this for?
58:06
They're functionally where we were, but everything is just a
58:08
little bit uglier, doesn't work quite as good, and we have less
58:12
information. So yeah, I guess we don't have a
58:17
competition. We go our assigning us to stand
58:19
in a spot. But if you just don't design the
58:20
bosses that way, we don't need them.
58:26
So the raid feels good. I think at a heroic level the
58:29
raid feels great, but even at a heroic level, there's not a
58:31
single AOTC team that I wouldn't recommend using the Northern Sky
58:35
add on and their memory game assistant to just to track it.
58:39
It makes it so much. Every team that I have had any
58:43
contact with or any sort of input with, I've suggested they
58:46
use it, they swap to it and as soon as they do, they never wipe
58:49
on the memory game. That makes the prog really fun
58:54
because you get you don't. It's one less 1 less headache.
58:57
So I think the rate tier is good.
58:59
I think it's about what we expected coming in, but I'm
59:02
really disappointed in I'm disappointed that Blizzard
59:06
allows that to exist. Don't want it to exist.
59:10
I think they. Should have just baked it in.
59:12
Honestly, after it existed. I think that it should have just
59:15
like after it does the thing, it should just be there.
59:17
And the trick is for you to just get into the location properly.
59:21
You've got the blades coming through, you've got the that
59:25
sort of stuff going or like somebody has to stand there and
59:29
then it causes the rooms to glow bright above it.
59:31
Like just whatever, just to make that that not necessary.
59:37
It does not give me. Hope for 12.1.
59:40
I tell you that I I desperately don't want to get to 12.1 and
59:44
have everything just be like, it's like the Timu version of
59:48
weak auras and like I turn it off.
59:52
If you don't want us to have it, don't let us have it.
59:55
Turn it off. And if you're going to let it
59:58
exist, then put everything back the way that it was, because
1:00:01
everything else just feels awful knowing that it exists.
1:00:04
Man, what a downer episode. I have a lot of fun in Prey.
1:00:10
Well, until you turn the traps off and now I don't do it
1:00:12
anymore. Let me just say that, well,
1:00:18
we'll go, we'll work backwards 'cause we're, I'm thinking about
1:00:20
the raids right now. For the raids, I think that it's
1:00:23
been a pretty good tier of rating.
1:00:27
I think that what stood out to me is that no single fight
1:00:32
really stood out as like the banger fight.
1:00:35
There was no like Kai Vez and I was like, Oh my goodness, this
1:00:37
fight is amazing. There was no fight like I really
1:00:44
liked the one armed bandit. I thought that fight was really
1:00:48
cool. So there's no fight in this tear
1:00:51
that has stood out to me as like the fight that I love.
1:00:55
They've all been good, but nothing's been fantastic to me
1:01:01
in terms of mythic Plus. I've enjoyed it.
1:01:07
I do think that the reduced difficulty, while jarring at
1:01:11
first, like in an infinitely scaling system, I just found the
1:01:15
difficulty that was that was what I wanted just later in the
1:01:19
tear. And so it's allowed people.
1:01:21
I think this is almost reversing what they did in dragon fight
1:01:24
when they did the compression. And so a lot of people kind of
1:01:27
got pushed out because like, I guess Mythic 0 is what you need
1:01:31
to do and Mythic 0 doesn't have a place.
1:01:33
Again, you and I have already talked about that.
1:01:37
But I think that's for the best because more people are in
1:01:42
Mythic plus enjoying that they have made those like not even
1:01:46
just the first 5 levels because now glow exists.
1:01:49
So you can take those as far as you want until like you
1:01:52
literally can't do those pulls and time anymore.
1:01:56
And I think that this has been on the right track for the most
1:02:02
part. I agree with you.
1:02:05
I think 12.1 will be incrementally better on the base
1:02:11
UI, incrementally better on the fights.
1:02:16
And we had said before, like, maybe just while you're
1:02:21
incrementally building things up, allow people to use their
1:02:26
their other things. So the question for me will be
1:02:31
is, will the increments be enough that each progressive
1:02:36
season will be better by enough for me to keep with it?
1:02:42
And that's a decision everybody's going to have to
1:02:44
make. Yeah.
1:02:47
But until next time, may all your hits be crits.