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UK Column Enjoys Sounds Beautiful 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Hello and welcome to UK Column studio #2 So it's a great
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pleasure to bring you into this studio because it's relatively
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relatively recent edition for the UK Column.
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And I'm delighted to be joined today by Gemma Cooper.
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And Gemma and I are going to talk about festivals because UK
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Column team have been to quite a few festivals over the years.
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We're delighted to get invitations, we've enjoyed them
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all. The weather has been different
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in as much as we've experienced, everything from blue sky and
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sunshine to some quite strong winds and heavy rain, but
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nevertheless they're a a lovely environment and of course
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recently we went to Sounds Beautiful in Dorset.
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What a location, Gemma. Oh, it was just absolutely
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stunning. I was really aware that Sounds
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beautiful was in its kind of first inception at that location
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last year and how successful it was.
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And I thought and everyone was really raving about it and I
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thought, well, you know, there's but there's a lot of freedom
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festivals now. Thank goodness.
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We all need them. But when I got to Gaunts Estate,
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I was like, oh wow, it really was really was beautiful and and
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such a lovely place for like minded people to get together,
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relax, be away from the matrix, you know, and be with like
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minded people. And there was no screens, no
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heart didn't see, no phones. I mean, it was just a wonderful
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place to be away from, from the world and all the robots running
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it, you know, it was great. Yeah, the world's an an
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increasingly mad world. And from my experiences at the
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the festivals is that you can absolutely relax because anybody
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that's there, you can chat to them about any subject you like
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and you can have a good conversation.
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There are serious conversations, there are amusing conversations,
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there are personal conversations, but people are
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talking and interacting. And as, as we'll hear in one of
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the clips, somebody is sort of saying, you know, could it be
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like this all the time? Isn't it So wonderful events?
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And we are very grateful to the Sounds Beautiful team for
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putting on that event in Dorset. Now, you spent some time taking
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some film footage, which is we're going to watch and we're
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going to share with our viewers today.
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But tell us a little bit about your approach to making that
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little film and who did you have assisting you?
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Well, I was really lucky I had Steve Jeffries from Edge of the
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Matrix, who's getting a huge following on, on his YouTube
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channel for the work he's been doing.
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He's self taught and taught himself 2020 onwards and how to
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use it. Then he's become a, a brilliant
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cameraman and, and shoot edit. He's really good.
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And he was, and I said, do you fancy making a little film?
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You know, of, of, of sounds beautiful, 'cause that's, that's
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my background. You know, I'm a broadcast
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journalist and reporter, as it were.
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And he said, yeah, he jumped at the charts, especially to make
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something for the columns. So we went out with the camera
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and we just tried to really capture a flavour of how good it
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was and, and the vibe, you know, which is quite difficult to do
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through a screen, you know, capture the vibe.
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But you know, we'll leave it to the for you to judge.
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But I think we, I think we did a good job.
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We tried to capture the music, the atmosphere, of course UK
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columns place in the festival and what UK column was there to
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do. And what UK column did do there,
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which was, you know, take over the the talk tent for for a
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couple of hours on the on the Sunday.
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And we just went off and had a lovely time and everyone was
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really friendly and it was great.
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Yeah, it was a lovely thing. And I think back to my old
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career in the Broken Biscuit Company, and it wasn't always
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like that, you know, it wasn't always as relaxed.
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It was, you know, and often we'd, you'd get sent out with an
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agenda, even if that one was in your own head because of where
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you were working. But this was like, we're not
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going to have an agenda. We're going to go out filming.
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We're going to see what happens. We're not going to try and
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curate it. We're just going to capture it.
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So yeah. Yeah, it was really good.
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And what was your description of the BBC?
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The Bad Biscuit. The broke slang, isn't it?
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There are many anachronisms now for the BBC.
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The most polite one you're allowed to use it is Broken
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Biscuit Company. There are others, but that
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they're not for broadcast. No, OK, But just for just for
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people who who who watch this video so that they understand
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that's the background that you're talking about.
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So, yeah, fascinating. And I think we should also give
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your cameraman a special mention because he's, he's pretty unique
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in that he's, he was Royal Navy and he achieved a Green Beret at
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that time doing some, you know, special training and work.
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So credit where it's due. Oh, yeah.
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I mean, it's just like, yeah, you know, he was in the in the
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military and then fire service. And he's done a lot of
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interviews himself. So all this is out there in the
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public domain. And then 2020 came and he could
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see through it straight away, especially in the fire service.
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And and he'd seen agendas creeping in, I think to the fire
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service. He didn't put words in his
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mouth. But as I say, he has spoken out
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about this before. And then 2020 came and he just
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thought, right, I can't, I can't live like this.
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Can't live while everyone's telling me Liv and went off and
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did his own thing. And he's he's doing really well
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with it. And just goes to show, you know,
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out of trauma and tribulations and all the stuff we went
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through, how many people are now leading different lives?
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Yeah. Absolutely true.
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Well, let's share your video production with the audience and
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then we'll come back on screen and we'll have a little chat.
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In a field in Dorset, the Freedom Community gathered truth
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seekers from all over the UK at the stunning Gaunts Estate all
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together for a weekend of revelry and relaxation with like
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minded people. While the mainstream juggernaut
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of Glastonbury Festival was going on 50 miles up the road,
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here was an entirely different celebration.
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People defying the establishment, not bowing to it.
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People living in the moment, not on social media.
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After the tremendous success of Sounds Beautiful last year,
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organisers Wendy and Steve rolled up their sleeves and
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decided to do it all again. You don't think you're going to
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be able to do it, but then you, the festival births itself and
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then you, you forget. So after the festival, you relax
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and go. Wow.
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We did it and then you forget for another year and you need
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that year in between, really, believe me, to be able to do it
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all again well. I was about to say, will you do
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it all again? Well, we'll wait and.
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See. I'm I'm up for it.
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Some of the biggest performers and activists in the alternative
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community were here. And many who were here showed
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it's possible to build systems outside the matrix.
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And of course, there was UK Column.
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People came in to meet the team, talk about the state of our
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world and what we can do to fix it.
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The highlight of the weekend was the recording of UK Column News
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in front of the live festival audience.
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It wasn't a word so an idiot can understand, yet they're geniuses
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in my opinion. I'm a devotee.
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Very good presentation. I mean they always speak utter
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sense as far as I'm concerned. So and things that we need to
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hear in a very kind of straightforward down to earth
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way because we can get. Tied up in all the little bits
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and we need to understand the real problem.
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And they do just brilliant job planning.
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Made me feel I've got a community, I've got a group that
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I can be part of and we're not, we're not sort of totally on
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different lines, we all. We all understand that, which is
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so difficult sometimes that even in what we created in the last
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five years, there's there's sections of them that have
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reverted back to the establishment when it comes to
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that. And so you feel like, is it just
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a few of us to see through that? And instead here you feel with
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UK column, especially stepping out like this, you feel that
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we're kind of all on the same page.
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I was very impressed with the level of knowledge that they all
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had and it's certainly given me food from, I thought, especially
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regarding the techniques that the government use to publicise
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crap about everything. I felt it was an excellent
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presentation, in fact I'm going to be watching UK column because
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I've only seen snippets of it before but it's very well
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researched and I liked all the research they did but they made
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it user friendly. 11:00 The first, first act on in the tent,
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I was like, that's a bum deal. That should be like a bit
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further on in the afternoon when everyone's around, but it's
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rammed, isn't it? So I think, I think the UK
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column crowd are very loyal and they're very, they're very
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passionate and I think they they support you don't they like with
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a lot of love, they could feel a lot of that.
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You know, a lot of support. It was packed, I couldn't get a
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seat. I was on the outside looking in
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as usual. I, I, I've always supported UK
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column for many years. They've been warriors for 20
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years. Maybe you sit down, I don't
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know. It's about, it feels a long
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time, always relevant, which I like.
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And they always show evidence. They go into depth.
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They they raise questions that you don't think about.
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The UK column team did not stop the whole weekend.
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New friends were made and old ones greeted.
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Events like this important for connection and camaraderie.
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Everybody here so far has been very friendly and curious.
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They want to know what's going on in the world.
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So to see that marquee full of people who come see UK column
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news was utterly brilliant. And it was obvious, it was just
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obvious by their demeanour that they were engaging with us as we
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delivered the news. So yeah, it's been, it's been
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wonderful. It says, it says that we're
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reaching people and they, they really appreciate coming to see
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us, you know, for real instead of, you know, on a, on a screen.
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And I think that's really important that the, the column
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come out and do these events because it's, it's lovely.
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I've had loads of people come up to me today and ask me questions
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and have a chat and it's, it's really nice that people are, you
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know, we did have a pack tent 11:00 on a Sunday morning.
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It's really it's, it's really good sign.
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There's a new audience has come as well, which has got to be,
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you know, so some people that were here last year have given
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this year a miss. They'll come back next year, but
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there's new people here this year as well.
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So you know, this has got to be an indication of of the growing
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numbers. I think any opportunity to get
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out and talk to people wherever you are is is fantastic.
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And I think this place is I'm, I'm slightly biassed being a
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countryside lover, but but to be somewhere that's surrounded by
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such beautiful woodland and pasture.
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And I would say to see an environment that looks like it
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should and then to stick people in the middle of it who are
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certainly not of the same mind, because that would be fairly
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dull. But people who share values and
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all the rest of it, it's just, it's lovely.
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And I think it's gone very well for us.
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A lot of people would say, even people here have said to me, oh,
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well, this is great. But it's an echo chamber.
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You know, it's just the, it's the truth community or the
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freedom community or whatever getting together.
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So I would, I would reframe that to do reframing exercise.
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It's more like a team. This is like a team meeting.
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Soon it will be back to the studio and office for the UK
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Column team, but the memories of this weekend will be with us for
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a very long time. Gemma Cooper with Steve James,
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cameraman for UK Column in Dorset.
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There we are wonderful little clip and I'm going to say Gemma,
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a huge thank you for you putting that together, not only as a an
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advert and a a promotion for Sounds Beautiful itself, but
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also for the UK column. And before it goes out of my
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head, I want to say I I really love those opening drone shots
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because I think that was fairly early in the in the event and
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you you the tents are starting to arrive.
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The cars are there some people there, but just that beautiful,
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peaceful scenery and that's what captured people.
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I think it is. It's not like driving into a big
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flat field and that's all there is there.
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You've got this slightly rolling countryside and then the main
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arena is is set down in a very slight valley.
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Valley isn't it? The foot of a valley.
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Yeah, and I think it's I, there's a couple of factors
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because the atmosphere of the place is quite unique and I'd
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never heard of Gaunt's house, which is where it was at
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Wimborne, Wimborne, St. Giles, I think it was in Dorset.
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And so I did a bit of background research on Gaunt's House and
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it's run by this amazing man. I didn't meet him on the
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weekend, but I thought it's it just shows how somebody's energy
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goes into a place. And they only rent out to people
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that they kind of agree with the philosophy of what they're doing
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because they could hire out to corporates and make millions,
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but they don't do that. They only hire it to people
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whose philosophy they agree with and they run all these
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alternative workshops and events at other times of the year just
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at Gordon's house, all on the theme of personal inner
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development. So whoever this man is, whoever
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the team are there, they're clearly really switched on and
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that energy has permeated into the grounds.
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I, I really could feel there's something special about this
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place. And then you've got the other
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thing, which is just sheer natural beauty, the way that the
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the grounds have been created and curated and, and it's we
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need that more than ever now because we are glued, glued to
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technology when the irony is we're now in a studio and we're
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going to be broadcasting how wonderful the festival was from
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a screen to you at home. But it's really about being
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there. And so the double whammy of the
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feeling of the energy of the team behind Gaunts Estate and
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feeling their intention and then just being with nature away from
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the screens. I didn't see anybody holding up
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mobile phones to film the band. People were just watching the
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bands, you know, and. They they very relaxed, but this
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is a very good point. You can watch this video.
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We're very pleased if you do. But but actually the whole thing
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is being there in the open in that country environment with
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the people. That was spectacular and I also
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want to say it really tremendous for the UK column team to be
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able to meet people who've given us support over many years.
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Some we've met before at other events and some absolutely new.
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So people come and introduce themselves and say they're
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supporters and it's yeah, it's a lovely experience.
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And I always find it particularly good talking to
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people and understanding a little bit about who they are,
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where they've come from. In particular how they found the
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UK column. And, and it was lovely in your
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clip to hear the complimentary comments from people who'd sat
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in the little marquee and heard our delivery of UK column news
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at that festival of events that that was fun.
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It was, and what I thought, and I think it was reflected in what
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the, the video we've just seen is how many people at the, at
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the festival were there to see the column.
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And they all turned out, bearing in mind it's on the last day of
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the festival, it's 11:00 in the morning, you know, so a lot of
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people nursing, you know, possibly a few saw heads.
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And the tent was packed. And that to me spoke, spoke
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volumes. You know, the acts of the facts.
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Look how people behave, not what they say.
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And everybody flocked to to the tent.
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It was a packed house. And that is indicative of the
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support that the column has got and the strength of loyalty that
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people have for for us and what we are doing.
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Because I think sometimes, you know, it's easy for us sometimes
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to think, are people still getting it?
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Do they do they like what we do? And, and clearly the answer is
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yes, which is great. And that's, I think, as you
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rightly say, the column has been to other festivals.
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That was before my time. But I I understand you get the
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same reaction wherever you've been over the last few years.
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Yeah. It's true.
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And occasionally when you're at a service station or you're
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driving somewhere and somebody comes up to you and says I think
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you are Brian Garish, Mike Robinson.
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And, and it turns out that somebody who watches the UK
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column news is recognised as that happens quite frequently
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now to an extent that it gives us, it gives us some idea of our
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reaching audience because a lot of people say to us how big is
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the UK column audience? And it's very difficult for us
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to tell because we've been so heavily censored, YouTube in
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particular, when we were easily getting 100,000, well close to
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because we would do 100,000 YouTube silver disc isn't it?
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I think you'd get for 100,000. And we were very, very close to
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that. And then all of a sudden we were
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censored. But if you travel around the
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country and somebody stranger you think approaches you and
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says I know who you are, and I watch the UK column, that is,
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that's really quite something. Unless it's 77th Brigade, I know
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who you are and I watch the column.
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Well, we, we try not to get, we try not to get dragged into the
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deep stuff. Yeah.
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Now I was lucky enough to be able to do a couple of
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interviews with people, more than a couple actually with
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people who were at the at the event.
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And we decided that if we did some interviews, we try and make
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it very casual, very relaxed. And so we had a very simple set
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up of a camera and a microphone and a couple of camping chairs
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in the UK column tent. And we've just chosen 2 because
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these are two people who were particularly focused on the UK
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column and why they're supporters of the UK column.
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And you and I, we're going to have a look at those clips and
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again, we'll comment on them, but just absolutely lovely to
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sit and have those large, well, impromptu sort of interviews,
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conversations and learn what makes people tick.
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Absolutely. And and learn, as we'll see in
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the first clip we're about to watch, you know, what brought
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people to the column and I think that will resonate with a lot of
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people. If you're watching at home this
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I think the first interview will resonate with many people of how
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they found the column. Indeed.
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So we'll show the first one, which is my interview with a
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lady called Mary. And I'm smiling as I do this
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because I found A very amusing. But also incredibly astute.
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So let's see Mary in action. Mary, thank you very much for
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joining me. Here we are in the UK content,
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as I'm sure everybody can see from our backdrop and the
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banners that are around us today, we're all made by a very
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keen supporter, Jenny, who we're very grateful to.
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Mary, you wandered in a few minutes ago and we were having a
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little bit of a chat about what was going on in the country and
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things, and then I had the opportunity to speak to you.
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So you're Mary? Mary.
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How long have you supported the common?
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Since the lockdown, actually I was going quite insane.
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A girlfriend, a friend of a friend actually phoned me and
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said how's it going? And I said not terribly well.
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I resigned from my post with Cranston.
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I hope they don't mind me mentioning that.
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But big or huge organisation? And what sort of organisation
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was that? Drug and alcohol treatment.
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They, they had a detox in city roads, which is quite famous
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really, that sadly that's closed.
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In fact, there isn't a detox in London anymore.
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Brian. Yeah, and they had dry houses,
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supporting houses, rehabs, you know, it was a very big
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organisation, which baffles me as something can be charitable
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organisation and profit making. That never makes any sense to
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me, but mine isn't the reason why.
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Anyway, I resigned at the end of 2019 with a plan and I was going
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to have Christmas with my son and then I was going to go out
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to Southern Asia to visit my daughter, who's in Thailand.
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She was in Chiang Mai. I've been to Thailand, but I
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haven't seen Chiang Mai. She was working in a rehab.
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I started hearing about this COVID-19, didn't take much
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notice. I did have a concern.
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Supposedly it started in China. She's in, she's in Thailand.
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She's surrounded by it if it exists.
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But yeah, I, I kind of ignored the situation.
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All of a sudden they started closing boulders and grounding
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flights and etcetera, etcetera. So I thought, OK, that's that
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plan out the window. I'm really quite highly
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qualified 20 years in in that game and I'll do some
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volunteering. And there was absolutely
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nothing, just absolutely nothing.
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There was no support for people that were in recovery.
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It was a very, very sad situation.
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A lot of people died from the lockdown.
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I've got first hand experience of that.
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Anyway, time's going on. I'm trying to violence anything,
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anything, food banks, absolutely anything.
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St Mango's, you know, Turning Point, absolutely anything.
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Nothing was happening and I just felt more and more isolated.
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Nothing made sense. You know, they say that it's a
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very small thing that triggers and it and it is.
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My brother and I were trying to play tennis to stay sane and
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they locked the tennis courts. So we took the padlocks off.
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So they took away the Nets. You know as well as I do, Brian,
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you can't play tennis without social distancing.
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Even if you're playing mixed up always, you've got one on the
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net and one on the base. Similar.
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Everything that they was telling us to do was absolutely contrary
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to staying healthy. No sunshine, no vitamin D, no
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exercise, no no mixing with it was just crazy.
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A friend of a friend, I was very lucky, phoned me.
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How you doing? Not terribly well, she said.
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You've got to go on one of the marches, you've got to speak to
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like minded people or you will go and sing you.
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You've got to come on one of the marches and that's and I went on
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the March and then I got the Light newspaper.
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From The Light newspaper I discovered UK Column Radio.
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That's lovely, yeah. Yeah, and that was, that was how
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it went on. I, I then fortunately A fellow
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phoned me and and said how's it going?
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No, not terribly well. And I got a job, I got a job
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with their Hep C trust and I was seconded to the NHS, which is a
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whole nother story, Brian. So you saw things, you started
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to see things from the inside, from the.
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Unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable.
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We're we're all working for big pharma.
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NHS is a logo now and, and it's really sad what's going on.
24:06
It's just absolutely unbelievable Brian, it's our
24:09
money. It's just unbelievable.
24:13
And I was fed up with driving an ambulance in January of this
24:17
year. I decided to retire because, you
24:21
know, you start to get a feeling that you're complicit in this
24:25
and it's not a very good feeling.
24:29
You know, the whole situation has been absurd.
24:32
It's not gone away. You can't speak.
24:36
You can't say what you think. It's whisper, whisper.
24:39
If your views get known, it's going to cost you your job.
24:43
But I've got colleagues that used to say to me, if these
24:46
people really know what knew what I really think, Mary, are
24:50
to lose my job. Yeah, you would definitely.
24:53
Yeah. He's to say, you know, the only
24:56
advantage that we have is we've got an S&M situation and we know
25:02
exactly who they are and they don't know.
25:04
Yeah, there's a really interesting point, isn't it?
25:07
We got to the stage where just for speaking your own mind, not
25:12
not even being rude or aggressive, but if you speak
25:16
your own mind on certain policies, you are at risk of
25:19
losing your job. And that is a major change in,
25:25
in this in this country. The whole morality of this
25:28
country has changed dramatically and it's certainly in the last
25:31
20 years, I think. So you discover the UK column.
25:37
I'm keen that we can just put a little bit back to our audience.
25:41
What? What?
25:42
What did the column give you or what did you you've joined US1
25:49
Yeah. Why?
25:49
Why did you decide to support us and become a proper member?
25:53
Well, you can't listen to the BBC.
25:56
Well, you can if you don't lose your sense of humour.
25:59
Yeah, it's, it's most entertaining when you can see
26:02
right through it. The UK column alleviated some of
26:09
the isolation. When you think, when you think
26:13
you're the only person who thinks the way you do.
26:15
It's a bit like waking up in the Matrix.
26:18
It's, it's isolating. It's frightening.
26:23
You know, I've, I've, I've got children that sometimes listen
26:27
to them and think, well, how did they get brainwashed?
26:30
They've got me as a mother. How did they get so brainwashed
26:34
and. Give you the answer to that.
26:36
It's news on the hour, every hour, which of course is the BBC
26:41
mantra. And I can remember when he was
26:44
alive, my father saying to me one day, why do we need the news
26:48
every hour? And of course the answer I
26:52
should have given him at that time is because Dad, they are
26:55
drunk trying to brainwash us and they need to drill it in every
26:59
every hour. They've been extremely
27:01
successful. Yeah, there's no two ways about
27:05
that. And you know, I do say to
27:08
people, I don't watch. I don't, I don't, I try not to
27:11
read any, you know, mainstream media at all.
27:15
Although I do like the Daily Mail.
27:17
He Little John still makes me laugh.
27:20
Although there was a time when my sense of humour went, went
27:24
out with Little John. Richard.
27:25
Little John's amazing. But, you know, it got to the
27:28
point where when something so real, it ceases to be funny,
27:33
although most of the time when you know, this, this couldn't
27:36
make it up is good. And I think Peter Hitchens is an
27:41
amazing journalist. So I do, I do, but and and it
27:47
makes good. I've got a real fire.
27:49
So it's antsy for the fire. But the BBC just just, it's,
27:56
it's absurd, outrageous. I use the word outrageous
28:00
because every time I'm hearing reports from them, it is so
28:04
biassed, it's so manufactured. So I, I, I do, I do hear a
28:11
little bit of BBC, usually the radio, but I can't tolerate that
28:15
Mike Robinson will listen to it because he says I listen to it
28:19
and find out what they're saying and doing.
28:22
But I actually find I'm going to say it makes me feel ill.
28:26
I, I go into a hotel now and you know, inevitably in the, in the
28:32
main room or the bar area, there's a big TV screen and you
28:36
can't even relax in that sort of environment without the BB CS
28:41
news appearing on a vast TV screen.
28:44
It's it's outrageous. And did you know when I first
28:47
joined UK Column News? Because I was a bit
28:50
apprehensive. I'm not the most techie savvy
28:52
person in the world. It's not my generation.
28:55
And I tried to pay through PayPal, right, and it stopped.
29:00
Yeah, they cut off the payment. Well, this is something which
29:05
does happen to our members and, and it's it can be very
29:08
frustrating, particularly for Mike who sorts a lot of this
29:11
stuff out. But yeah, people are having all
29:13
sorts of problems and it's nothing to do with us.
29:16
It it just happens. And you say, is it is it
29:19
accidental or is it is deliberate?
29:22
We don't know. But you're not the only one that
29:24
that it happens to is is very strange situation.
29:27
Yeah. Just a few minutes ago, you you
29:31
said to me that we'd kept you sane during that period of the
29:34
lockdown period. And I said to you that this was
29:38
something that from time to time people do tell us in the column.
29:42
And the last time we've been to events like this, camping and
29:46
and music and socialising, people come into the little UK
29:50
column shop tent and they often say, can I have a hug?
29:58
And when they've had their hug, they say, you kept me sane.
30:03
And some of them were clearly in a really bad position.
30:05
Yeah. And we did something during that
30:09
COVID time that resonated with people.
30:13
So it's definitely. I'm glad you found us.
30:16
Me too. Yeah, me so.
30:18
Last couple, couple of comments just on the event here, which
30:20
sounds beautiful. So have you been to one of these
30:24
things before? Never.
30:26
So what made you come to this one?
30:28
I wanted to meet you, Brian, to be honest.
30:31
So now everybody's going to think that this was a, a
30:33
planned, excuse me, a planned interview.
30:37
Well, I'm afraid it was on my part.
30:39
Yeah, OK. It was orchestrated on my part.
30:42
I just wanted to see the UK column team.
30:45
I just wanted to to meet the people.
30:48
People don't look the same on a on a plastic screen and I'm not.
30:53
At times I've thought I did actually email you and you
30:56
emailed me back immediately. It's so impressive because the
31:02
event was kind of advertised a few months ago and then it went
31:05
quiet. I didn't hear anything and I was
31:08
thinking where did they say? I'm sure they said in Dorset.
31:11
I can't remember the dates. I wonder where it, I don't know
31:15
where Wimborne is. So I just emailed you and you
31:18
emailed back the flyer and. You're here, Yeah.
31:23
And then you said to me, Brian, are you camping?
31:26
And I said, of course, because this is what it's all about.
31:29
And then you said you were staying in at.
31:31
Don't say where, but you're staying in a farm.
31:34
Yes, yes, and and very lovely is too.
31:37
Absolutely delightful. I'm sure that has a proper bed,
31:40
yes, And carpets. It does indeed.
31:43
And a shower. I I have a log cabin.
31:46
Oh, really? I really do.
31:47
Yeah. It's really delightful.
31:49
Well, I'm going to say the UK common team are camping.
31:53
We we've got two big tents we can stand up in, which is great.
31:56
And we've got some smaller, some smaller tents, but we're, we're
32:02
doing the full thing which is camping.
32:04
So there we are. But you're only a youngster, of
32:06
course. I do actually have all the
32:10
equipment. I've got blow up beds and all of
32:13
the equipment. If my daughter would have been
32:16
with me then I may have done that because there's two of us
32:20
doing things. But you know, I thought it's
32:24
something I've always wanted to do.
32:27
I agree that it's Glastonbury for people with a brain, you
32:32
know, it's and and and why ever not it's you know.
32:35
It's fun, isn't it? Absolutely.
32:37
And the fact you can talk to people on serious subjects, you
32:41
can talk to people on normal innocent family stuff and you
32:45
can, there's always a lot of laughing and joking and the, the
32:49
music and it's, it's a nice atmosphere.
32:51
There has to be the only thing that counteracts fear is is
32:56
humour. You know, as soon as you start
32:59
laughing at things, it it dissipates.
33:01
When I'm speaking to my daughter Harriet, we were speaking the
33:06
other day about the, the, the fellow who went around Barnard
33:10
Castle, what was his name? And I was, I was mimicking the
33:14
conversation that must have gone on.
33:17
You know, just go out there and speak to the press, say anything
33:19
you know, ad Lib, make it up as you got say you was testing your
33:23
eyesight. Why not?
33:25
That's a good. And as soon as she starts
33:27
laughing, she sees it. Humour tends to cut through.
33:32
Yeah. Fear, and you know, it just
33:35
works. What a brilliant place to end.
33:39
Yeah, what a brilliant place to end.
33:41
Mary, thank you very much for sitting down and chatting to me.
33:45
And a huge thank you for your support for the UK column
33:48
because it's it's really appreciated.
33:51
It's you guys that keep us going.
33:53
And next year is 20 years for the UK column.
33:56
And we could only have done it with all the support for our
33:59
members and people who make donations.
34:02
So that's wonderful. Doing the most amazing job.
34:04
Brilliant. Thank you.
34:06
Well, there we are. What did you think of that,
34:09
Gemma? I thought it was absolutely
34:11
exceptional and and it was a real reminder, you know, of what
34:18
we went through, you know, talking about playing tennis.
34:21
And they put the padlock on the gate.
34:23
In lockdown. Yeah, in lockdown.
34:25
And that so many people found the column in lockdown,
34:28
desperate at home. Am I the only one that can see
34:31
that there's something not right with this?
34:32
Am I the only one who thinks this way?
34:33
No, there's millions of us, billions probably.
34:37
And so finding us at such a desperate time.
34:40
But at what? When Mary was talking there, you
34:43
know, that they paddled the gate of the tennis court and then
34:45
they took the net down. You know, the, the weird cruelty
34:49
and the brainwashing and the gas lighting and the, and the and
34:52
the messaging. I thought, yeah, it's really
34:55
easy for us to forget what we went through.
34:57
But we went through it. And even now, I think in the
35:00
alternative movement, freedom movement, there's a kind of
35:03
willingness to put it all behind us.
35:04
But we can never forget it. And.
35:06
And it did. It did bring people to us.
35:09
And clearly, clearly we were. Yeah.
35:12
And clearly we were a help. We were a help to those people.
35:15
And, and Mary was really great and saying how she was doing
35:19
badly and how we helped her. And I've heard that a lot since
35:23
I've been working for the column.
35:24
I've heard that so much about how the column literally saved
35:27
people's lives and saved people's sanity.
35:31
And she's clearly bounced back from the trauma.
35:34
Well, I. I, I, well, she was delightful
35:37
to talk to and, and interview and she did make me smile when
35:42
she said, well, I, I went out to play tennis and then the found
35:46
they padlocked the gates and we got rid of the padlocks and then
35:49
they took the net away. And then she makes that
35:52
wonderful comment about you can't get more socially
35:56
distanced than you need to be to play a game of tennis, which I
36:00
thought was absolutely on the button.
36:02
An interesting mixture in there, isn't it?
36:03
Because there was a lot of humorous stuff, but also some
36:06
really, you know, serious stuff, not only about the impact of of
36:11
COVID on on Mary and her her family and friends, but she was
36:17
also started talking about, you know, what she sees happening in
36:22
society. And she mentioned that that she
36:25
had been working for a drug and alcohol rehabilitation centre
36:31
and she'd had enough of that basically and stopped.
36:34
But then she makes that little remark and there isn't one now
36:39
in London. And you think, you think massive
36:43
city, super city, London with a lot of problems, a lot of poor
36:48
people, a lot of people with really serious issues, and this
36:53
sort of facility is no longer available.
36:56
This is an increasingly cruel world, isn't it?
36:59
I, I, I couldn't believe that fact, you know, you know, no
37:03
drug and alcohol detox. There was a detox centre she
37:06
specifically referred to, wasn't it, if I'm not mistaken?
37:09
And I, my immediately thought was, you know, you just said
37:11
it's a cruel world. I thought, is that deliberate?
37:15
Is that a deliberate, you know, taking money away from mental
37:18
health taking, which is definitely happening, and taking
37:21
money away from addiction treatment.
37:23
And addiction has a very spiritual dimension to it.
37:25
You know, people call it a spiritual illness.
37:27
So instead of rehabilitating people and their souls and their
37:31
spirits, let's just take all that away and let them suffer,
37:34
you know, and look at 2020, how they made us suffer.
37:36
And you do rather wonder. Whether a malicious mind thought
37:40
up the policy to take it away, Well, I I don't have any trouble
37:44
with this because I do believe we're facing policies created by
37:48
malicious people. I think this is the reality, but
37:52
it's interesting, isn't it, Gemma, because we're we're
37:55
meandering around in our reminiscences of of the sounds
38:00
beautiful festival. But look where the conversation
38:04
is is gone. So we've we've gone from
38:06
humorous things and the beauty of the setting through to quite,
38:10
quite a serious topic here. And this is really a little
38:14
snapshot, isn't it, of what happens at the festival.
38:18
The people are there. They're there to listen to
38:20
music, to relax, to be there a lot of children, you know, just
38:25
people relaxing and having a good time.
38:28
And then in amongst it you've got conversations which could be
38:32
just normal social conversations or much deeper subjects.
38:38
And I can't remember who said it, but I definitely overheard
38:41
somebody talking about the fact that these sorts of festivals
38:46
where there's also speakers alongside the music and the
38:49
shops are, are the thinking persons Glastonbury.
38:55
And I thought that's a pretty accurate description, isn't it?
39:00
So, and we've reflected that we're we're thinking back to a
39:04
music camping festival. But out of that came some pretty
39:08
serious and important topics. Oh, very much so, yeah.
39:11
Because you know that the tent was thought on the first day as
39:15
soon as people saw our tent, not the talk tent we were in on the
39:19
Sunday, but the UK column tent went up and the UK column flags
39:22
went up. We were just inundated with
39:24
people coming in wanting to tell, you know, tell you
39:26
especially about things and corruption and but for their own
39:29
lives, you know, lived experience, not some crazy out
39:32
there theory, but lived experience.
39:34
And they would flocking in and and wanting to speak and but I
39:38
think it's because people were relaxed and felt safe.
39:41
They were an environment where they felt safe to do that
39:44
without fear of like who's listening or is this
39:46
conversation on online being recorded or anything like that.
39:50
It was a safe environment and they trusted us.
39:53
They trusted the column and our longevity.
39:56
So yeah, that's what being an outside I think and with like
39:59
minded people does You you can become authentic and the
40:03
festivals and. Moe sounds beautiful and of
40:05
course we're off to hope in a few weeks.
40:07
Hope Sussex. And you know, we're going to, we
40:09
plan on being out and about as much as we can to just try and
40:13
reassure people and, and hear them, listen to their.
40:15
Stories and to get out there and and mix with people.
40:18
This this is absolutely true. I did 3 of the serious
40:24
interviews which will be available on the festival page
40:30
on the UK column website. So one was on the topic of
40:35
agraphonics, which is basically people have heard about growing
40:40
in in a water based medium. This is this is growing crops
40:45
together in a specialised way but with very high yield.
40:50
So I had a very interesting discussion about that.
40:53
I also talked to another gentleman who's intermediary
40:56
himself and that was very interesting to be able to chat
41:00
and find out what somebody else has been doing.
41:03
And then out of the blue, I also had a conversation with a guy
41:08
which was about the the true child abuse saga in in Belgium.
41:16
And that was a fascinating interview.
41:20
But I'm going to say I was slightly taken aback that that
41:25
subject came into the UK column tent.
41:29
And and it came into the tent because we had another person
41:32
that had found the UK column wanted to come and meet us and
41:37
wanted to tell us about the amazing research work they've
41:40
done around that very, very dark story.
41:44
So whole mix of things going on at this event and we've we've
41:48
done our best to capture those. But we thought today the way to
41:53
end was to do the short clip with Jenny, who's been a
41:58
supporter of the UK column for a very long time.
42:02
She's very lively, very bouncy, done lots of good work for us in
42:08
producing banners and helping in a whole heap of other ways.
42:12
So it was lovely to to see Jenny there and also to be able to sit
42:16
down and do a little interview with her.
42:20
I think you'll enjoy it. I had a lot of fun.
42:23
Let's have a look, Jenny or Jennifer.
42:25
Jenny, you've got to be really careful with shortening people's
42:27
names or lengthening them because it can go either way
42:32
against you. So I know, I know a certain lady
42:37
who's been Jillian, but that was always how she was addressed by
42:42
her parents, possibly in a little bit of a stern way.
42:45
So then there's Jill and then there's people who are called
42:49
Michael, but then call them Mike.
42:51
But you're Jenny, I'm Jenny. Brilliant.
42:54
So let's just let's describe the scene.
42:57
We are here in the remnants of the UK column, Marquis.
43:02
The walls have all been taken down.
43:05
So hence the backdrop is is the fields or the H into the next
43:10
field? A lot of stuff being packed up,
43:13
a lot of conversations going on and I promised you we'd do a
43:17
little interview about you. We know you as the sign lady.
43:22
Tell tell us about the signs you have created from UK column.
43:26
OK, right. I I've had my own business since
43:29
I was 19 and I first started, I went to clubs and I noticed
43:33
there was no backdrops. So when I was 19, I started
43:37
painting them and I started hiring them out and then I put
43:41
on nights and I also did my own backdrops for nights and I did
43:44
weddings as well because that was quite well paid.
43:47
And then about 3-2 years ago, I went to the first Freedom
43:51
Festival. I loved it.
43:53
So I now do the backdrops for the Freedom Festival and some
43:57
other festivals as. Well, right and you should have
44:00
a backdrop of Jenny's banners. They were here.
44:03
They've now disappeared. But when our viewers listeners
44:08
have a look at some of the other interviews that we've done over
44:10
this weekend, I am sat against the back problem, some of
44:14
Jenny's banners. So that's lovely.
44:18
As we've already said it to you all say again, thank you very
44:20
much for doing that it. Was a pleasure doing them.
44:23
Good. How long have you known the UK
44:26
column? Quite a few years since 2019.
44:30
So yeah, quite a few years. How did you first come into
44:33
contact? With my friend, I went to India
44:36
with a good friend of mine called Nick, and he was talking
44:39
about you guys all the time. So I spent about six months in
44:42
India. Then as soon as I got back to
44:44
the UKI Googled you and, and ever since I've been watching
44:49
you and I kind of knew about you anyway because you do a lot of
44:53
YouTube videos years ago. So I was watching them as well.
44:57
And and then I'll make you face to face at the Freedom Freedom
45:00
Festivals. Yeah, well, you were really nice
45:03
because I you came up and you wanted a selfie.
45:06
That's right, yes. In fact, if I remember
45:08
correctly, because the weather wasn't as nice as it is here and
45:11
you had an umbrella on my head. I did.
45:13
That wasn't me, yes. Maybe we'll have to.
45:16
We'll be able to look for that little photograph again
45:19
actually, because it I'll put it on there instead of usually,
45:22
yeah. It was a good photo.
45:25
I've actually got it on my Facebook page as well.
45:27
OK, so what's your take on the Sounds Beautiful Festival?
45:31
I. Went last year and I was so
45:33
impressed with it. I just went as a friend, you
45:36
know, and just went with a couple of friends and I was so
45:38
impressed with it. When I got back to my house I
45:41
ordered some more tickets straight away and then I rang up
45:44
the lady called Wendy who organises it and I said to you
45:47
what you decor and I'll do it as one and one and three and she
45:51
says yes, please come down. So I came down on the Tuesday
45:55
and I've been here ever since. And it's been fantastic.
45:59
We would like to see more people at the Sounds Beautiful event.
46:03
And I think the, the way to do this is, is everybody needs to
46:08
be upping the promotion because if you didn't come, you just
46:12
don't know what you missed. It's been absolutely lovely.
46:15
So I'd, I'd like to see more of these events because the young
46:20
lady I talked to just now was 23 and she said, you know, more or
46:26
less I can't talk to my age group because they just don't
46:31
understand what's going on. But I've been here and it's just
46:34
been, it's been lovely to talk to people.
46:37
And that's, I think that's a really powerful thing.
46:39
Yeah, I was getting that actually last year, a lot of
46:41
people coming up to me and they were saying exactly the same
46:43
thing. And they've got their friends
46:44
left and they're really lonely and they come up here and
46:47
they've got new friends and and we're like family now.
46:50
So we come here every year and there's quite a few freedom
46:52
festivals. So we meet each other there and
46:54
it's like a tribe now, now of people.
46:57
And they were very lonely, a lot of people really lonely, which
47:00
upset me last year because everyone was saying, oh, how
47:02
lonely they were. And I thought these events are
47:04
really important just to connect to the right people and that
47:08
you're not on your own and to come to these events.
47:10
And that's how we win this fight is if we actually meet each
47:14
other face to face. And then you meet all these
47:16
people contacts. I met a lady with land, She's
47:19
got 4 acres of land in France and she wants people to go over
47:22
and help her after it. And I said, yeah, come here.
47:25
She has actually come. She's spent hours trying to get
47:28
in because the signs aren't any good.
47:30
But the signs will be better next year because I'm going to
47:32
go and do them. So I will do the signs.
47:35
But yeah. Yeah, OK.
47:36
Driving around for hours trying to get in.
47:38
Yeah, this is absolutely. True, you know, don't be, don't
47:41
be at home lonely, come out and meet people and have fun.
47:46
And also, yeah, discuss how you we stop all these horrible
47:50
things. Here comes the low question
47:53
right at the end. You've been here for a few days.
47:57
Have you been good? I've been very good actually,
48:01
Yes, yes. And I've met so many new friends
48:03
and I've got, we've got another evening and the evenings will be
48:06
good because they have fire and they have a couple of fires on
48:09
and we're all sitting by the fire.
48:11
Once the music goes out, it has to go out about 1:00 because a
48:14
bit sound complaints. But in the evening we all get
48:16
together and go around the fire, and we all like singing and
48:19
dancing and drumming, and then it carries on.
48:21
And I've got to bed about 4:30 last night.
48:25
And I was actually up this morning for yoga at 7:00.
48:29
Yeah. So I think I've been very good.
48:30
You've been very good. And, and I will also say that
48:35
early this morning, I think it's about 6:10, I've just to the
48:39
fire pit just to see what, what it was like, because I always
48:43
know it's the fire's still a light, but it's mainly ashes and
48:48
some members that were glowing. What really impressed me was
48:52
that there was a plastic, big plastic container and all the
48:56
beer bottles and everything had all been neatly stacked in
48:59
there. So it's all clean and tidy.
49:01
And I thought that's wonderful. Very.
49:03
Good. Yeah, people here and you can
49:05
leave stuff out. It never gets.
49:07
Really. Honest people here and if you've
49:10
lost anything, if you need any water or food or coffee to start
49:13
people and they'll give you it. It's a lovely atmosphere and
49:16
it's a really, really high vibration.
49:17
Really high vibrations. That's how life should be.
49:20
Yes, definitely. Yeah.
49:21
I went to another festival last week now, saying it'd be lovely
49:24
if life is like this every day. And there's a lot of festivals.
49:28
So in theory you can. You can make your life every day
49:32
like mimic festivals and meet lots of people.
49:35
Yeah, brilliant, Jenny, Thank you.
49:37
Thank you very much for everything you've done for us.
49:39
Thank you very much. That was painless, wasn't it?
49:42
It was OK actually, but I don't know if it's going to be any
49:44
good of. Course it's going.
49:45
To be so. We're going to stream this.
49:48
Yeah. Are you going to let me see it
49:50
before it's just going to? No, no, that's.
49:53
Seriously, there's people going to get worried, but trust us, it
49:58
was a good interview and and our viewers and listeners are going
50:01
to love seeing you and hearing you good well.
50:05
I'm still smiling because I can still feel myself sat in the UK
50:10
column tent as it was being dismantled, and it would have
50:16
been very nice if we'd have maybe had some other clips of
50:20
the tent being being actually dismantled around us.
50:23
But it was great fun and it was probably a wonderful thing to be
50:27
able to look through that backdrop and to see the into the
50:32
fields and the tents over the other side.
50:35
But Jenny's done brilliant work and it's just wonderful that she
50:39
stayed with us over all that time.
50:41
And I I I just think as a little CLI to end it it, it was lovely.
50:47
Well, I think as well, you do get a glimpse of the beauty of
50:50
the site there. I mean, it just looks like a
50:51
bucolic English countryside scene, you know, with the grass
50:55
wafting and some tents and Marquis in the background and
50:58
the blue sky. And I'm.
51:00
It makes you want to go back, You know, it makes me want to go
51:02
back seeing that shot. And and Jenny is such a bright
51:07
and sunny person. She embodies, you know,
51:10
positivity and that shot, the shot, she's a.
51:12
Doer. She's a doer.
51:14
Yeah. And she's done so much for us.
51:16
And if you come to our events, you'll see the backdrops that
51:19
she's done for us, which all handcrafted, hand done.
51:22
And they're just lovely. And we have them up in the tent,
51:24
as you can see there with the interview with Mary.
51:27
And yeah, it was, it was a lovely way to end it.
51:29
And and I just love the stuff that she was saying, you know.
51:33
Oh, the, the signs on the door weren't very good, but don't
51:35
worry, I'm doing them next year, you know, and things like that,
51:37
you know, full of confidence. And and also again, though,
51:40
there was that area of seriousness of like, but a lot
51:43
of people come to these things because they're really lonely.
51:45
She, you know, that's what Jenny said and she said how much that
51:48
upset her. And but now these festivals, of
51:51
which there are a lot of being a lifeline.
51:54
And I think that's really the key.
51:56
And if anyone's wavering and thinking, oh, there are too many
51:58
freedom events and there are too many things going on, we'll try
52:01
and you should determine. Do what resonates with you, but
52:05
at least goes to some. Because I think we've moved away
52:07
from the marches. You know that Mary talked about
52:09
going on the marches and that brought back a lot of memories
52:12
for me and I'm sure for you, the marches.
52:14
But that was a different energy. That's what was needed then.
52:17
Now I think as we're moving towards this kind of shift in
52:20
consciousness, we need to be relaxing and having fun with
52:24
each other. Because actually that relaxing,
52:26
having fun and laughing will beat what we're up against more
52:31
than marching angrily along London with a banner saying get
52:34
off your, you know, take your masks off.
52:35
That was then, this is now. And it is a form of protest to
52:38
be out in the field with like minded people.
52:40
And also looking after yourself, yes, and making yourself feel
52:43
good by, by the environment you you put yourself in.
52:47
It's a very powerful thing. That's the power of it.
52:49
So very powerful. Because the better we feel, not
52:52
only physically but mentally about ourselves, and the more
52:56
positive we are, the better place we are to fight the really
53:00
terrible people that are messing this world up.
53:02
Absolutely, and it just reminds me of what Mary said.
53:04
To go back to Mary's interview, she said you've got to diffuse
53:07
it with humour and she talked about she couldn't remember
53:10
Dominic Cummings name, but at the end of her interview talking
53:12
about who was the man at Barnard Castle, you know, Dominic
53:15
Cummings and we all remember that story and you know, his
53:17
ridiculous excuses. But she was like, take the sting
53:20
out of it, laugh, relax. That that just takes all their
53:23
power away. Powers with us, powers with us.
53:26
And it's how we are now moving forward.
53:29
Now that we've all had a rude awakening to how the world is
53:33
run, you know it's up to us to defeat it in the in the most
53:37
positive way. Yeah, absolutely true.
53:39
So what a place to end. I think on humour.
53:43
You and I are both smiling. I think the audience would be
53:46
smiling a bit more if we were to show some of the outtakes and
53:50
our little efforts in the studio today.
53:53
That may be for another time, but.
53:55
I thought you were going to say the audience would like it more
53:58
if they could see what we got. We're getting up to in our tent
54:00
in the evening, The UK column team.
54:01
Well, we, we, we should have filmed that.
54:03
No, maybe not. Well, we did.
54:05
At a previous event we had had a wonderful evening where it got a
54:12
bit cold in the evenings a couple of times, but we were in
54:15
in the tent and we were able to get everybody squeezed round a
54:19
little table. We did the real thing because we
54:22
had a gas lamp going, which of course gives you light and also
54:25
a bit of heat and possibly we had a drink and we were playing
54:30
cards and it it was absolutely lovely.
54:34
So yeah, there we are. Lot of fun.
54:37
Gemma, thank you very much for joining me.
54:40
It's been really great. Thank you.