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The Mold Problem You Can’t See - Dr. Ashley Beckman Breaks It Down · Non-Toxic Living

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So mold often will suppress the immune system, which then allows other pathogens that you already have kind of circulating in your system, waiting for their opportunity to come out.
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For me, it was Lyme.
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Usually people say, oh, I have Epstein-Barr, or I have Hashimoto's.
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All of these clients with any autoimmune issue, I always check for mold.
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It's a really common theme, and I would say that
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You can have mold in your home.
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Yeah.
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Or you can have Dr. Ashley level mold, which is called elevated mold.
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Yes.
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Where the home inspector says, get out of your house as soon as possible.
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And the reason why, if you live in a moldy home, what are three things you should do with your personal items?
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So if there's something you can clean, I think people ideally should clean it.
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And you just need to...
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Dr. Ashley, great to have you on the show.
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We shared some stuff on social media that did really well.
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Lots of people learned it was about mold.
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I'm sure we'll get into that today.
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But first, introduce yourself.
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Like, how did you, you know, wind up doing what you're doing?
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You've worked in clinics in Hollywood.
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You've helped the rich and famous get well.
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And you're doing all kinds of cool things, especially around detoxification, which is near and dear to my heart.
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So we're just besties right off the bat.
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So thanks again.
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Sure.
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So my name is Dr. Ashley Beckman.
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I was always kind of a sensitive kid to chemicals.
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And again, it kind of showed up a little bit maybe into my teens and 20s.
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And so I just realized I was a little bit different, kind of canary in a coal mine type of thing.
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Me too.
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Yes.
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Fragrance was the big one at the time that I noticed, right?
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So, again, I just felt like I was very sensitive to things.
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And so that was unique at the time.
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And I got into my family was kind of into making kombucha at home and eating raw or trying all these different things.
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This is in California?
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Yes, in California.
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Much more progressive over there when it comes to natural health.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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And so I basically was exposed to a lot by being in California, but I really felt and was passionate about as food and herbs as medicine, not really taking traditional over-the-counter things at the time.
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And so I basically just started to learn about that.
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I worked for a naturopath who specialized in Lyme, and then she introduced me to homeopathy.
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So I studied under amazing classical homeopaths.
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And it kind of grew from there.
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He said, if you love herbs and food is medicine, you need to go to Chinese medicine school.
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So then I did that.
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But I've always been very interested in detox and toxins and how to get them out of our life and make better choices.
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So yes, I lived, I had just made my practice virtual.
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So I was home and this was a big switch from seeing 30 people a day in a busy office in Beverly Hills, had over two and a half hours driving commute every day.
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So I thought this is gonna be so easy.
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I'm gonna feel great.
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I'm gonna be home with my daughter.
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And I felt so sick, crazy brain fog, horrible joint pain, migraines again.
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And this was the way I hadn't felt in about 15 years.
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Mm-hmm.
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And back in about maybe 2005 or 2006, I had woken up one day and my ankles hurt so bad I couldn't walk.
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I was getting migraines all the time.
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And so I went to my traditional doctor and she said, well, you probably have an autoimmune issue.
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I don't think it's going to show up in labs for probably 10 years and there's nothing you can do.
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So I was in grad school at the time for acupuncture, and I did deduce that gluten and dairy and sugar made the joint pain much worse.
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Yeah.
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So I removed those, and it worked for about 15 years until I was in this home and we found mold, right?
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So when you're working from home, you had a higher level of exposure, not just sleeping.
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Now you're 16.
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It was in my office too, right?
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In my home office, I basically was actually a room that had a leak that I didn't know about.
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Yes.
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So it just ignited.
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It was a kryptonite, you know, and you expose yourself like, yeah, like Superman.
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If he gets a little bit of kryptonite, he could get out, right?
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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A lot of kryptonite, you know, can kill you.
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Yes.
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So that mold activated Lyme, which I had had probably for a long time.
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Explain that.
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Explain why the mold did that.
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So mold often will suppress the immune system, which then allows other pathogens that you already have kind of circulating in your system, waiting for their opportunity to come out.
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Yeah.
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So for me, again, it was, it was Lyme.
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A lot of people have Epstein-Barr and that gets reactivated or different viruses and things like that.
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But for me, it was Lyme.
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And I think that's an important thing because when you see people like their Lyme is back, right?
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Usually their immune system got weak for some reason.
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It could have been another, it could have been a toxin like mold.
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It could have been a trauma.
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Yes.
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That's a big one.
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They can always set this off.
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So anytime it,
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your immune system lowers, you know, parasites can take over, uh,
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Again, I have Lyme.
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I always have had it.
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Like if you measure in my microbiome, my microbiology has spirochetes.
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Yes.
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You can find it on a lab, right?
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Yeah.
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And I may have during my, you know, mercury lowers your immune system.
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It's immunosuppressive.
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Mold is very immunosuppressive.
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Yeah.
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Like that's one of its top jobs, right?
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It just crushes the old immune system.
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I never had active Lyme, right?
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So I would have known it.
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It hits you like a train.
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Yes.
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But I could have, right?
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And I think that it's a lot of the stuff that we cure ourselves with antibiotics and all these things, including Lyme, it doesn't get rid of all of it.
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Like, I think that's an important thing to say.
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Like you strep throat, you just didn't get exposed to strep throat again.
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Your immune system,
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got low enough that this bacteria or virus takes over again.
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Yeah, it resurfaces.
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Yeah, and then like even I get tinea versicolor, right?
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And if I get stressed, my skin microbiome changes because it gets out of balance, right?
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So all of us have tinea.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Is that right, Tania?
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Am I saying that right?
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Yeah.
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All of us have this different, we have fungus, we have bacteria, we have virus, we have all of this, we have bugs everywhere, like crawling all over you.
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Isn't that kind of gross?
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But it's part, we're a garden on our skin, right?
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And every area has a different, this garden is different than this garden.
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It's different than this garden.
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Yeah.
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And then they're different than this garden and this garden.
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Yep.
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this garden, right?
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I mean, there's some overlap in bugs, especially in the mouth and gut.
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If your immune system lowers certain that are holding back something that's in balance with your body can come out of balance.
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And then that creates a chronic infection.
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And it can show up all kinds of different ways.
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So I think that's really important for folks to understand.
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I don't know if it's told.
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Like you took an antibiotic, why am I getting strep again?
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Because you still have it.
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It's still there.
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Just they kept it at bay.
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Didn't really kill it off entirely.
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Yeah, and it's even worse when using an antibiotic because you didn't train your immune system to learn to fight it off long term, right?
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This is why, you know, people that live in Africa do not get malaria for the most part, right?
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They build up a tolerance to that.
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Is it malaria?
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Is that a bacteria?
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It's actually very close to Lyme.
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Yeah.
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Oh, wow.
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Mm-hmm.
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So a lot of these anti-malaria medications and things like that, or I guess it's kind of closest to Babesia, right?
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So one of the blood parasites that is in the Lyme family, but very close to malaria.
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Wow.
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See, I love learning new things.
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I was going to say, you were mentioning this.
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You mentioned all those microbiome areas.
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And I always talk to clients.
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And it's interesting because I say it a little differently, but that we're basically this world for all of these creatures inside of us.
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And what happens, unfortunately, right, is when we feed them sugar or things like that and things that they love to consume.
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And they're driving a lot of our cravings, right?
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Yeah.
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Through the vagus nerve, right?
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Is that how it happens?
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Through the gut?
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Yeah, the gut-brain connection, too.
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And then, so I always, you know, people feel so down on themselves for having these cravings they can't control.
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But it's all these critters inside of us that want their food, right?
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And so then we feed them.
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it becomes that we add to their population.
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And a lot of the times what we're reacting to is their waste.
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So all these endotoxins are huge problems.
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So it's not always about killing things off, right?
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It's about balance.
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You just need a healthy, happy population where we can take care of things and have it run smoothly.
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But, you know, a lot of times we get, or a certain pathogen gets vilified, right?
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Or whatnot, but it's all about balance.
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Yeah, that's beautifully said.
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So talk about...
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Just really quick, just to go back there, right?
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So some of the bugs that we have in our body, especially if they're out of balance, they produce endotoxins that make us sick.
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Talk about that a little bit.
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Sure.
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I mean, basically, you know, these...
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Again, these, I always call them critters, make it a little nicer.
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I like critters.
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But they basically, you know, there's yeast, there's mycotoxins, there's so many fungal species and bacteria and viruses and things.
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And again, it's often the waste that's so toxic to us, and that shows up as skin conditions.
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That's a lot of the joint pain.
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A lot of people don't realize that our joints...
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kind of like the sinus cavity and places, it's a happy home for these microorganisms to live.
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Same with the gum line.
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When people do, I'm sure, right, they get things extracted.
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And then you look at the gum line and then if they run a path panel, pathogen panel, there's a lot of Lyme, there are a lot of bacteria in there.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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So we did that with my wife after her cavitations.
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Yes.
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We took a sample, and it was full of all kinds of toxins.
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I didn't do it on every side because the treatment's usually the same, right?
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Because that stuff gets released when you open it up, and you can get sick after getting a cavitation, which is really funny, right?
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Yeah.
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Uh, that, that, that that's like voodoo, voodoo science, right?
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Like a cavitation is real and you can measure the toxins and, uh, I mean all kinds of things, lots of toxins, like lots of pathogens, parasites living in this little capsule, you know, safely away from your immune system inside of a cavitation.
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I've measured it.
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So, you know, is the labs a conspiracy?
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Yeah.
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When I first got sick, I thought so.
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So maybe you too.
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I'm like, they can't have heavy metals and mercury.
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That's not true.
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It's not coming out of me.
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I'm not urinating heavy metals right now.
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Is that how you were?
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Oh, yeah.
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This challenge test isn't going to work.
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I actually sent a split sample when I did my first heavy metal urine challenge test kit.
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I sent one to an analytical laboratory in Idaho.
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And then I sent it to doctor's data because I didn't trust the lab.
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I thought they were lying to me.
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I was like, they're just going to lie to me to get my money and they're lying to me.
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And this is actually, you know, like.
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A scan.
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Yeah, it's all a scam.
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Yeah.
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And then I saw, and that's what it took for me is to see, I thought the labs were lying to me because they're not mainstream labs.
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Right.
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Right.
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And I wasn't like Mr.
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Doctor.
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Right.
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Right.
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But I was, you know, I was pretty disillusioned at the time though.
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I mean, I was pretty beat up.
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I mean, I did go the medical route.
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Physiatrists, psychologists, therapists, physiotherapists.
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You know, of course, chiropractors, you know, I went everywhere, right?
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And so I didn't trust, right?
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I'm like, how can this... And then I saw the data and I'm like, oh my gosh.
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And then eventually got some of the blood work that you run for mold patients, you know, like upper level hormones, the hypothalamus pituitary hormones, MSH, VIP, C4A, you know.
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And so I also use the urine mycotoxin testing.
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Yeah, which didn't exist in 2005.
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Nope.
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Yeah.
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And I use Vibrant a lot.
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I love them.
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Yeah, they're very popular right now.
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Well, and they test for about 29 markers versus 11 for the very common ones.
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And so, again, if you don't test something, you're not going to test it.
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29 mycotoxins?
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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And I told this story on another lab.
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I think it was with Dr. Jabin.
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I looked at getting a mycotoxin test.
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Mm-hmm.
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I may have been like 10 years ago.
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Right.
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And wanted $1,000 for one mycotoxin.
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Oh, my gosh.
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I priced it out because you know that mycotoxins cause, I'm like, so why are we measuring?
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This was in my house, right?
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So why are we measuring for mold?
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Why can't we just measure for mycotoxins?
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It's the end product.
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Can I do a dust sample?
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And I want to find out if I have mycotoxins in my home, right?
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Makes sense.
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That's what's likely making me sick or could make me sick.
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$1,000 for one.
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I'm like, well, we'll do the VCS test instead.
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I want to do a visual contrast sensitivity test on me, and that's much cheaper.
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Did you pass or fail?
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I passed.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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I was one of the guys that had really good acuity, not acuity, contrast anyway.
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So mold did affect me.
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Right.
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I barely passed.
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Because I have people pass it that have a lot of mold toxicity, so I don't use it.
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Yeah.
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I was just curious.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I did would barely pass it.
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Yeah.
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But then I did.
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So visual contrast, we'll talk about it real quick.
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So it doesn't measure acuity.
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It essentially allows you to see different shades of gray, like contrast, like on a black and white TV.
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So you turn it down and it blurs out and you can't see it.
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And then you turn it up and the contrast, the blacks and the grays, you can see the picture.
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So I don't probably that's not communicating.
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So my baby boomers and people my age, you know.
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Yeah.
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What are we?
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Gen Xers.
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I'm a Gen Xer.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Gen X. Yeah.
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I'm 40, 49.
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46.
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So you're Gen X-er.
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Yeah.
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I think 40 is the cutoff for millennials.
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I think if you're 40 right now, they probably know black and white TV too.
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So contrast.
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Yes.
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Right.
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Your ability to see contrast, like turning it up and down.
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And so it gets lighter and lighter.
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So you're turning it down more and more on the TV till it becomes a white screen.
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And some people –
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the toxins affect your ability to see contrast.
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We can get into the hyperperfusion and the optic nerve and all the science of a bit.
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It affects your ability to see contrast, which is Shoemaker developed it.
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There was an eye test called visual contrast sensitivity.
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He has since...
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created another test, but it's just a visual contrast card.
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And people that are in mold, one of the symptoms is you lose your ability to see contrast.
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Yeah.
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Because it's affecting the optic nerve, not your visual, not your color, not your... Myopathy.
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Myopathy.
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There are a lot of people that mold does impact their vision.
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It's, again, a loss of that clarity.
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It's very common.
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But again, from the Chinese perspective, the eyes are the sensory organ of the liver and certain mycotoxins attack the liver.
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And then again, in general, most people's liver and gallbladder are just very congested from our world with all these toxins on a day-to-day basis.
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So that's what you were talking about, right?
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The visual contrast, I passed, but barely.
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But here's the good news, right?
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When I did more rounds of co-styreming back then and then carbon, right?
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Yes, yeah.
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Like TCF, true carbon cleanse.
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My contrast got, I could see all the way.
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Yeah, so it improved, but I didn't fail, right?
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And then what else helped is heavy metal detox.
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Actually, I was able to see better.
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So I noticed that as well.
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Yeah, that makes sense.
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So it was a combination of the two for contrast as well.
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Yep.
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So there you go.
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But now you can test the mycotoxins coming out in your urine.
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Yes.
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Which can come from in the different kinds.
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Yes.
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Some can be coming from corn.
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Some can be coming from.
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peanuts, some can be coming from coffee, and then there's ones that are associated with mold.
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Can you talk about that testing?
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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So basically, with testing in general, none of it's perfect, right?
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So unfortunately, this urine mycotoxin testing, you don't know if this is going to be from your past or recent exposure.
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You can kind of... Or from a hotel trip.
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Yes.
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No pun intended.
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Or vacation.
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You know, again, people ask— And Cancun.
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Yes, that's what I'm saying.
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Tropical vacation can— A mission trip to Mexico.
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—create some mycotoxin accumulation.
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But yes, and so unfortunately, a lot of clients I get to, you know, they had a house that they realized in hindsight was their childhood home that was probably moldy, right?
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Or had a lot of leaks and things like that.
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So—
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It's kind of hard to even fathom that your body would contain these things for decades, but it does.
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And then it's usually you've had multiple exposures.
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And so often— As you go, you're going to the restaurant.
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You walk into—there's moldy molds everywhere.
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Yes.
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And again, right, our goal is not to create a mold-free home because it's pretty impossible to do that.
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It is.
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And this is something that's interesting, right?
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So again, remediation has a huge place, right?
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But a lot of remediations fail.
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People have to do multiple.
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And then again...
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People, you know, if they move, if they didn't remediate, but they move again, your chances of getting another home with mold, it's 50 percent on average.
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You're going to have to.
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Yeah.
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And then people get rid of all their furniture.
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But when you think about where the furniture comes from, if it's shipped over on a barge, if it's in a department store, to me, most of those are also moldy.
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Right.
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So, again, it's a really tricky and tricky.
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financially disruptive incident in someone's life, right?
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Definitely can be.
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We're going to get back to your story in a minute, but keep going.
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And then again, it's, so it's a really big piece to clean up the home, right?
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You need your home to be a safe healing environment.
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And then at the same time, you know, we, you need to make sure and address the body too, and make sure that you still have, you know, the means and education to do that.
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Cause that's also very important.
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Yeah, I agree.
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So here you are.
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Yes.
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You had the means and education and you're moldy at home thinking you're going to have the good life, hanging out with your daughter, working from home.
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Yeah.
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And the bottom fell out again.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Let's talk about that.
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Sure.
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What happened and how did you recover?
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Yeah.
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So this is a thing, too, is people want a magic pill.
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They want one supplement, one treatment.
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Oh, if I do, you know, ozone, will this speed up the process?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Right?
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So, again, I was working with a lot of lime on top of the mold.
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They kind of run in parallel a lot of the time.
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They do, right?
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Because the immune system gets shut down and the lime gets pretty common.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, commonly activated.
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So any of my Lyme patients that I have, we definitely, I always check for mold.
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And I've yet to see someone without it.
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Did you measure C3A?
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Because I know in...
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I do the urine mycotoxin testing pretty much exclusively.
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Yes, because I send everything to their home and you do it from home.
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And then the same, if someone comes to me, usually people say, oh, I have Epstein-Barr or I have Hashimoto's, right?
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All of these clients with any autoimmune issue, I always check for mold.
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And again, it's in over 90% of my clients and I've looked at thousands of labs.
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Yeah.
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So it's really common theme.
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And I would say that the part that I'm most passionate about, right, is that most of these clients have been overlooked and dismissed by their practitioner, holistic or not, right?
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The traditional doctors don't really believe in it, but I have so many clients that have said, oh, you know, my chiro or whomever, you know, my doctor, my naturopath said mold isn't that big of a deal.
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That's still happening.
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Still happening.
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Yeah.
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So I'm very passionate about educating people, practitioners, whomever about mold and just it's common.
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It's so prevalent.
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We talked about this last time again, because it's so prevalent in all the homes.
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It's often a piece of someone in the family's health puzzle.
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Right.
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A lot of the people I work with, they're little kids.
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They're born into a house with mold.
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And those are these usually ones with chronic eczema as a baby, right?
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And or just some sort of recurring viral infection.
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So when I have these little kids, when we don't know what's wrong, it's an easy test.
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It's urine, right?
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It's simple.
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And usually everyone in the family is exposed, but it doesn't always mean that everyone gets sick per se.
21:20
Correct.
21:21
So in the mycotoxin test, does it measure just the mycotoxins that come specifically from molds or does it do it from mycotoxins from things you may be eating because you can get it other places?
21:31
So it's going to break it down into a lot of them.
21:35
There's a crossover.
21:36
It could be foodborne or it's from a moldy building.
21:39
Right.
21:39
So but it does break it down into different groups.
21:43
And I would say there aren't that many things that I really ask people to eliminate.
21:48
But again, making their coffee be mold-free tested is a big thing.
21:53
And I do ask people to remove peanuts because they're so high in aflatoxins.
21:58
Yeah, which is a nasty.
21:59
A really bad one.
22:00
Yeah.
22:00
Right?
22:00
Like that, we actually have a choice and it's pretty clear cut.
22:03
Yeah.
22:04
So but grains in general, I don't ask people to cut out all grains.
22:08
Ideally, we need the organic, you know, glyphosate free oats if you're someone who has grains and oats.
22:15
But I don't you know, I don't say you could cut it if you just had to cut out something for based on every single toxin that we're exposed to.
22:24
There's really not much left.
22:26
Yeah.
22:26
Right.
22:26
Oh, that's what's, what can I eat?
22:27
Yeah.
22:28
I'm just going to eat air, you know, but it's about, um, you know, education, right?
22:33
And I'm, you know, this is what, what I do.
22:36
Right.
22:37
It's so important.
22:38
Yeah.
22:38
Cause it's about choices, right?
22:40
And when you have the right knowledge, then it's up to that person what they decide.
22:45
Right.
22:45
And especially you're making these decisions for your kids until a certain age.
22:50
And then they go out and make their own decisions.
22:52
But you need that foundation in place.
22:54
At least your home ideally would be as healthy as possible with all the right foods.
22:59
And then when they're out, you know, they get other things.
23:03
Yeah, I'm with you.
23:04
I'm with you.
23:04
So you got moldy.
23:08
Yes.
23:09
And I like keeping open loops, right?
23:13
Everyone's still listening, like what happened, right?
23:16
And I don't mean like, oh, you didn't take a magic pill.
23:19
I think there is no like- Oh, yeah, sorry.
23:21
Yeah.
23:22
It took a long time to recover, for sure.
23:24
So did you, you found the mold, you remediated the mold-
23:28
We did not.
23:29
I was in a rental and their solution was to fog.
23:33
And I said, okay, sure, let's fog.
23:35
And let me retest my things.
23:38
And I have pictures of all the test plates, which again, it's not the most accurate, but it's a nice option.
23:43
So I tested a bunch of my furniture and all filled with mold.
23:47
Every single thing, you know, that the foggers claim would be purely clean.
23:52
And it was growing again.
23:54
Oh, yeah.
23:55
It was, it did nothing.
23:57
You fixed the water leak though.
23:58
We moved.
24:00
They weren't going to fix anything.
24:01
Okay.
24:02
Yeah.
24:03
So when you're renting, this is a common issue, right?
24:06
It is.
24:08
And it's tough because the real estate industry doesn't want to.
24:12
No.
24:13
This is a real problem and they don't want it because it could shut down deal flow.
24:16
Yeah.
24:17
And shut down deals.
24:20
Which is really, oh, it sounds like a hospital, right?
24:23
Yeah.
24:23
Never mind.
24:24
We don't want to lose deals.
24:25
Don't tell people they can, you know.
24:27
Get better otherwise.
24:27
Get better without it.
24:28
Oh, man, I just put two and two together at real estate and hospitals.
24:34
And hospitals have a lot of mold.
24:35
Yeah, they do.
24:37
Yes, that's a really, I mean, in addition to other things, but yeah.
24:42
So you wind up moving.
24:43
Yeah.
24:43
So I moved.
24:45
And then again, we actually, too, it was very interesting.
24:48
So I had a home inspector come in.
24:51
And so you'll appreciate this maybe.
24:53
I basically had been seeing this pattern in all my patients where I was seeing mold toxicity.
24:58
And I said, I know what to do in the body, but I don't really know about what to do with all the belongings.
25:03
Mm-hmm.
25:04
And I just thought, oh, because I really am very passionate about this, I want mold toxicity to be my niche.
25:11
Like this has come to me for a reason, right?
25:14
Yeah.
25:15
And then probably it was less than a week.
25:18
Then we got a call from the water company and said, there's some crazy leak happening at your house.
25:24
You need to get it inspected.
25:25
The new house that you moved into.
25:26
Yeah.
25:27
Sorry, this is the one where we had the big issue.
25:30
But I literally had just said, I want this to be my specialty.
25:33
And then within a week, I found out I was living in a home with mold.
25:40
I stopped testing at six rooms because they were all really bad.
25:44
So you were living in an elevated mold.
25:46
Yes.
25:47
And it was a beautiful home.
25:48
You can't see it.
25:49
No.
25:50
None was visible, right?
25:51
Yeah.
25:51
To me.
25:53
But I literally had decided, you know, I love working with people, but this piece is missing about that I don't know about what to do with everything should you get exposed in your home is...
26:02
you know, what to do about the home.
26:04
So I got thrown into that.
26:07
And very quickly, my inspector said, you need, you guys need to get out of this house actually within a month if you can.
26:13
And I was like, this is Los Angeles.
26:15
And this is a big house.
26:17
There's no way.
26:18
So we ended up getting out in six weeks.
26:21
But I mean, it was a huge process.
26:23
I learned about what to clean, what to throw away.
26:26
You had to.
26:27
All these things.
26:28
Yeah.
26:28
I've been there.
26:29
Yeah.
26:29
And it's really overwhelming.
26:32
Right.
26:32
I feel for anybody that goes through this.
26:35
You're connected.
26:36
Like that's my dad's chair that he gave me.
26:38
I had to throw that away.
26:40
Like there's no cleaning.
26:42
It's toxic too.
26:42
It's velour.
26:43
It's probably like a bit.
26:45
My grandfather was a furniture maker.
26:46
Right.
26:47
Oh, yeah.
26:48
So just like these.
26:49
Yeah.
26:50
Yeah.
26:51
So the company, the mold company actually used our house, they said, in their team meetings for one of the prettiest looking homes that had the worst scores they'd seen.
27:02
Right.
27:02
So that's why when he told me, I said, you know, I don't really know how to read an ERMI at this point.
27:06
This was five years ago.
27:08
And and so then he was explaining a few.
27:11
But I got the report and I was like, this looks really bad.
27:13
He was running ERMI.
27:14
Yeah.
27:15
Well, I mean, that was one thing.
27:17
It was a home inspection.
27:18
It was air samples inside, control samples outside.
27:23
And that's one of the things like a home inspector to do that like is crazy.
27:28
I know that Ryan, a mutual friend of ours,
27:31
you're running air samples, you're running dust tests, you're running ERMI, you're running like all this stuff in multiple areas.
27:36
So you can kind of track down the mold.
27:39
Right.
27:39
Right.
27:39
Cause it's like, if your air sample is high here and the dust test is here, but it's low air test over here.
27:44
So you know, it's coming from this area.
27:46
So it kind of gives you an area to go look and see what's going on.
27:49
It can be, you know, a thousand dollars worth of testing.
27:51
Yeah.
27:52
Depending on the size of the house.
27:54
Yep.
27:54
Well, that's what I mean.
27:55
Or you can get a mold dog.
27:57
Six rooms.
27:58
You know, they work.
28:00
I know I feel bad, though.
28:01
They're sniffing.
28:02
They need to be on binders.
28:03
Yeah, they do need to be on binders.
28:05
They do.
28:05
Oh, I never thought about those poor puppies.
28:07
Yeah, that's...
28:08
I can't.
28:08
I feel so bad.
28:09
That's why you don't do it.
28:10
Yeah, I haven't.
28:11
Yeah.
28:11
Our dog got very sick from the mold.
28:13
So he was on binders and he...
28:16
You know, he recovered.
28:17
They do recover quick because of the cellular turnover on those, those, those little guys are fast.
28:23
But yeah, so we, uh, yeah, it was just, it got in the HVAC.
28:27
So once it's in the HVAC, it's in everywhere.
28:28
Everywhere.
28:29
Yeah.
28:30
It's a horrible high level.
28:31
Yeah.
28:32
And let's, let me clarify that you can have mold in your home or you can have Dr. Ashley Mollett.
28:40
level mold, which is called elevated mold, where the home inspector says, get out of your house as soon as possible.
28:47
And the reason why is it can literally kill you, right?
28:52
It can shut down your immune system, throw you into Hashimoto's, cause like all kinds of, and this is not even a doctor, but when you see those kinds of levels where you're in elevated mold, it's not slowly dimming down your lights.
29:07
It's turning it off quick.
29:08
I'd lived there only a year, right?
29:10
So it had probably already had, when you did the inspection, there had been a lot of previous water damage, right?
29:17
So it wasn't just the current leak that we'd had.
29:21
And it was very interesting because I did see my antibodies for my thyroid were rising.
29:27
And again, I just thought, oh, that's strange, right?
29:29
But because I monitored things, I could see some shifts.
29:33
But then I decided to run the,
29:35
Lyme panel and there were about 21 strains of Lyme.
29:40
So it wasn't just active.
29:42
Yeah.
29:43
So now after about took about two and a half years, I'm down to six, I think.
29:48
So you went through the pain and the hurt on this?
29:51
Yes.
29:51
And so, again, that's what's very difficult, right?
29:54
For me, it tends to be neurological, right?
29:56
It's all joint pain and migraines and things like that and the brain fog.
30:01
But, again, most people, they only think of mold as respiratory or skin, right, and things like that.
30:07
And so...
30:09
Unfortunately, it can impact any sort of system we have because it really can attack the liver, the kidneys, the brain.
30:16
It really just can be systemic.
30:19
And then again, you breathe it in.
30:21
So it's unfortunately has a really lovely home, right?
30:25
And the nasal passages and that's very close to the brain.
30:28
So it's and then it can go straight down into the gut.
30:31
Right.
30:32
So it's very problematic.
30:34
I mean, I asked the question, what is, you know, the...
30:38
the number one toxin and, you know, in my, you know, I'm like fragrance is really nasty, but you know, mold might be that for me.
30:46
Like I put fragrance up there.
30:48
If you're talking about a non, you know, a chemical toxin, I would say fragrance because it's so pervasive.
30:53
If you talk about a living bio toxin, a living toxin, a mold all day long.
30:58
I mean, there's, there's nothing else plaguing at least the United States.
31:02
it's not as bad in other countries because the building materials aren't as bad.
31:06
Yeah.
31:06
It doesn't grow as much mold.
31:08
In all the energy-efficient homes like we do.
31:10
It's a breathing whole environment.
31:13
You're getting fresh air, so you're getting a dilution of mycotoxic exposure.
31:18
Your immune system can keep up better.
31:21
Yes.
31:22
Right?
31:23
All the things.
31:23
And that's not even all of...
31:25
Right.
31:25
The things that you talk about all the time that's in our food, all of these things are slowly just really making our systems not very efficient because they're overburdened by a variety of toxins.
31:37
If it's food additives, pesticides, fragrance, all kinds of things.
31:42
Yeah.
31:42
Or some care products.
31:44
Talk about – this would be a great gift, right?
31:47
And I know you really dialed this in.
31:49
What are – if you live in a moldy home, what are three things you should do with your personal items?
31:55
And I hope to learn something here.
31:58
Like this is fun.
31:58
So with the personal items?
32:00
Yeah, so what do you keep?
32:01
What do you throw away?
32:02
What do you wash?
32:03
What is salvageable?
32:04
What is not?
32:05
What do you wipe down your furniture with?
32:07
Are you going to use –
32:10
a toxic antimicrobial, are you going to use concrobrium from Home Depot?
32:14
Are you going to use Benefact?
32:15
Yeah, I use a Benefact.
32:17
Yes, okay.
32:18
Tell us.
32:19
Yes.
32:20
This is great.
32:21
So again, I'm going to just put one caveat first is...
32:25
This all depends on how sick the sickest person in your home is.
32:29
And how sensitive you are.
32:30
And how sensitive, right?
32:32
So just for an example, I had the most side effects.
32:37
I do not have the mold gene, right?
32:40
But I do not detox toxins well at all genetically.
32:44
So your methylation is probably weak, but you don't have the HLA-DR.
32:47
I don't have HLA-DR.
32:48
I do.
32:49
Yeah.
32:49
So, but my mom did in my house.
32:51
So again, we treated the home as if, again, she's considered more susceptible to having SIRS.
33:00
So that's why we had to get out also sooner in an urgency from a professional, right, that looks at all these homes, right?
33:08
So, but basically when you're looking at your items, right?
33:11
Yeah.
33:12
I am also very practical, right?
33:15
So if there's something you can clean, I think people ideally should clean it, right?
33:20
So that is going to be, if you have clothing, ideally you should be able to clean it.
33:26
If you're someone who still reacts,
33:29
to clothing, right?
33:31
Low level stuff.
33:32
Yeah, then you just need to take this up a notch, right?
33:35
And you just need to- Start over.
33:37
Yeah, just be more- And get rid of all your polyester at the same time.
33:40
Yes, yeah.
33:41
And nylon.
33:41
Yeah, get rid of all the toxic stuff, yes.
33:44
Replace with all cotton.
33:45
And your BPA, you know- Everything.
33:48
Panties.
33:49
Yes, and yoga pants.
33:50
And yoga pants, yeah.
33:51
The Forever Chemicals.
33:53
I know it's just, I know it's overwhelming for people.
33:55
So, especially mold-
33:58
Well, just imagine that it's not overwhelming.
34:00
Okay.
34:01
And we'll just, you know.
34:03
So anything non-forust, you would clean.
34:05
Yeah.
34:05
They have great wipes.
34:06
There's micro-balanced products.
34:08
There's the.
34:09
Say that again.
34:10
Micro-balanced products.
34:12
They have the wipes.
34:13
If you use microfiber cloth, it picks up about 70 times the amount of dust as a traditional towel would.
34:20
So it's a time and a place to use plastic.
34:23
I hate microfiber cloths.
34:24
I can't even touch them.
34:26
But.
34:27
I also, yes.
34:29
So people use a Swiffer cloth too, you know, again, or the Swiffer cloth.
34:35
I canceled a Swiffer once.
34:37
Well, no, so I don't buy these things, but when you're trying to, like I was cleaning up and then leaving, right?
34:43
I would exchange a microplastic for a biotoxin, you know, all day long and it's not, and you're leaving anyway, right?
34:51
Or, and then you can wipe it down with an organic cotton cloth later, but you know,
34:55
But then again, you're throwing this stuff away.
34:58
You're wiping and you're throwing away, right?
35:00
So make that clear.
35:01
If you're wiping down a non-porous surface, you don't keep that rag and wash it and reuse it.
35:06
You wipe it, you put it in a garbage bag, you seal it, you duct tape it, and it gets thrown into an incinerator, but you throw it away.
35:13
Yes.
35:14
Yeah.
35:15
And so again, when we were in this home, I basically I did so many loads of laundry and then we put them into we vacuum sealed the bags and then put them into kind of like a safe space until we were moving.
35:27
Got it.
35:28
Right.
35:28
Beautiful.
35:29
So in your washer, what did you use?
35:32
So, okay, so I made a blend, and I don't remember all of them, but... Yeah, it's okay.
35:36
Essential oil blend, right, that I added probably lemon, clove, cinnamon, oregano, thyme.
35:43
Yeah.
35:44
Maybe orange.
35:44
Some anti-micropials.
35:45
Yes.
35:45
Yeah.
35:46
And then I used borax and...
35:51
Depending on the load, some of them I use the hydrogen peroxide if it was white.
35:55
And then we're not using bleach in this, right?
35:58
Bleach is what you do not use if you're trying to kill mold.
36:01
And then, oh, and then I do use EC3 laundry additive, right?
36:06
So some people also use ammonia.
36:11
I did not, but that's another option.
36:13
So there are a lot of different ways you can do it.
36:15
And you can do multiple loads.
36:17
What about baking soda?
36:19
Yes.
36:19
Yeah.
36:20
Oh, sorry.
36:20
I have the gallons of baking soda too.
36:23
Yeah.
36:23
Well, I think in the reason something baking soda would work, right, because it creates an alkaline environment where mold can't grow.
36:31
Yes.
36:31
And then if you rinse it enough.
36:33
Yeah.
36:34
I think there's a study.
36:35
that somebody did i don't know if it's published but um might have been a mold expert and he showed that how much oh good um after two it takes two washes yeah so it was like i i mean we just i washed everything again had a daughter borax i used borax yeah because borax is i think even more alkaline than i'd have to look at the
36:58
Yeah, that's the brand.
37:00
I mean, I use Borax the most.
37:03
But so again, yeah, so anything you can wash, clothing, even...
37:08
Petty bears.
37:09
Yes, we did all the stuffed animal loads.
37:11
Again, everything fit in the washer.
37:13
So basically also I was told if you can wash it and it fits in there, you can do it.
37:19
And then I let everything dry also in the sun.
37:20
So if you can wash it, you can keep it.
37:22
Yes.
37:22
And then dry in the sun.
37:23
Yep.
37:24
Does that destroy mycotoxins?
37:26
It's supposed to help more.
37:27
Yeah.
37:28
A little bit.
37:28
And I think sunshine fixes a lot of things.
37:30
It does.
37:31
It's a lot of energy.
37:32
It's definitely going to, I mean, mold doesn't like it.
37:34
No.
37:34
Yes.
37:35
So, and I'm in California, so we had a lot of sun, which is good.
37:39
So, and then again, things unfortunately that are not good, we got rid of all the mattresses, right?
37:45
Because there was mold in every room.
37:47
So that is a mattress you cannot clean.
37:50
And you can't fog it away either.
37:53
You can't fog away anything.
37:56
But that is what they will tell you.
37:59
Right.
37:59
And I mean, it's not like it was inexpensive.
38:02
I think the landlord paid maybe twenty five hundred or something.
38:06
What about it was going to be a solution and we could keep everything.
38:09
What what were they fogging, though?
38:11
They use some sort of, I don't know what's in their particular solution.
38:15
There's some people that use essential oils or oregano-based, things like that.
38:19
It's almost like, you know, if you have, this was supposed to be a natural option.
38:26
But it doesn't, it did not work.
38:28
There is a fog and it smells like it's acetic acid.
38:34
And that seems to work.
38:37
Yeah, so people can use fogging as part of keeping your home clean, right?
38:42
But it is not, I wouldn't say it's a solution to be able to keep your items or to actually try to kill everything.
38:52
It's more like it's a great option to have part of your, if it's yearly or every six months, a deeper clean.
39:00
It'll knock down the mold.
39:01
That's in the air.
39:02
Yeah, it will.
39:03
Yes.
39:03
It'll knock it down.
39:04
Yeah.
39:05
It can, the microfogging, and there's people have patents on this stuff.
39:09
Yeah.
39:09
I've talked to all the experts.
39:10
They can inject it.
39:12
They can put a hole and stick it in the wall and knock it down.
39:15
You know, it's not a water damage, but, you know, maybe there's a little condensation that builds up over from the sun.
39:21
Oh, yeah.
39:22
You know, whatever.
39:23
So you can do it as it should be.
39:26
maintenance yes i would say where or if you then if you have remediation yeah right you can fog and then even better do massive air exchange put in big air movers with hepa filters and clean everything out and then we we already talked about the wipe down which is really not part of the you know what you can keep and what you can't but yeah the small particle cleaning is a big piece
39:49
huge piece because there's so many toxins that build up.
39:53
So having a dust free home, not one with bleach or Clorox wipes, but ones that you wipe out, bring out the dust that are, and the dust carries a mycotoxin.
40:04
So mycotoxins travel on dust particles.
40:07
So that's really important.
40:08
So here we go where anything we can put into your washer, if you're not super sensitive, wash it.
40:14
Vacuum seal those bags.
40:16
Put them away so they're safe.
40:17
There's no mycotoxins aren't going to get through the plastic.
40:20
Right.
40:20
Time and a place, you know, for plastic.
40:22
It was like heartbreaking for me to buy those things.
40:25
But yeah.
40:26
Yeah.
40:26
Especially from California.
40:27
You understand, you know, the environment and you're raised to respect that the oceans get trashed.
40:34
And but a couch like this.
40:36
Yeah, no.
40:37
Gone.
40:38
And again, sometimes if there's things that are removable, right, if you can remove the pillowcases, if you can remove certain things, then again, a lot of these big items, you sometimes, you know, a lot of things, they might have an option, right?
41:06
And there was a more natural version.
41:08
But for me, because I'm so sensitive to those smells and sealants, those I feel really bad from.
41:15
So any of that kind of wood furniture, we opted not to keep.
41:19
So wood, because it's porous, it'll bring the biotox.
41:23
Because we happen to have all of this old...
41:29
kind of these antique wood pieces.
41:31
That aren't like lacquered.
41:32
No, there's nothing.
41:33
It's like, it's cool because the paint's crackling, right?
41:36
And it's old.
41:37
But the thing that's very interesting to me is we got those pieces from this outdoor store in Venice.
41:45
So 100%, I bought them all moldy, right?
41:49
I mean, those had so much mold when I bought them.
41:53
They came moldy.
41:53
They came moldy because they were a block from the beach in Venice.
41:56
It's super damp.
41:58
And I tested my headboard was this beautiful carved piece of wood.
42:03
It was so full of mold.
42:06
It was crazy.
42:07
And I'd been sleeping on that for 20.
42:09
I'd had it for 20 years.
42:10
You bring it inside.
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Yeah.
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The mold doesn't die.
42:14
No.
42:14
And this is that thing, though, is, you know, when you're buying furniture, is it actually free from mold?
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Yeah.
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we go through this whole process and throw all these things away.
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Then you rebuy it.
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And then you rebuy it.
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So it's, you know, it's very important to at least do your best to figure out, you know, what's a great option.
42:31
Yeah.
42:31
When I was sick with mold, I just bought steel furniture.
42:37
Yeah.
42:38
You know, I mean, I bought- Things you could wipe down.
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Yeah.
42:39
Everything I could wipe.
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Everything was steel.
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Like that's, you know, my chair is white becoming steel.
42:43
My, or wood, you know, I mean, like-
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Yeah, polished, sealed wood, right?
42:51
And there's non-toxic sealers out there.
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There are.
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Safecoat has some really good products for sealing.
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So yeah, I didn't think about like a non-sealed wood, but if it's like just a stained wood and it's not sealed, you can't wipe that down.
43:07
Not really, but what you can do, again, this is, yeah, do the small particle cleaning, sand it, and then put the new sealant on.
43:15
Yeah.
43:16
So you can sell it, but that's so much work.
43:19
Right.
43:20
Yeah.
43:20
So then what I did is I was looking around and how much meaning does this piece have to me?
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And then what's the value to replace it?
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And do I actually need to replace it?
43:29
Right.
43:29
You know, we, everyone accumulates a lot of things.
43:31
So I would say going through mold is this massive purging process.
43:36
Mm-hmm.
43:37
And I know people don't like to look at this part, but, you know, I do think everything that happens in our life is for us, not to us.
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And so trying to see what could this experience, you know, be teaching or is it changing my path?
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Is this now my direction of what I focus on with health?
43:54
Right.
43:54
That's what happened to me.
43:55
But again, it's it's a huge purging process and letting go and starting fresh.
44:01
That you have to let go.
44:01
You have to trust.
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There's no choice.
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It's like you're starting over.
44:04
Yes.
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And you do the best you can.
44:05
I mean, if you bring an actress who had massive water damage and I interviewed her and she wasn't even staying in the place, that didn't make her sick, right?
44:16
Mm-hmm.
44:17
She brought all of her clothes back without... She didn't know.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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Brought all of her clothes back.
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And then she got hypothyroid, got really sick.
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And eventually, and I think she was in LA, she moved back.
44:30
Yeah.
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Someone, because LA is a little more progressive.
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Hey, were you in water damage?
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Like, no, I wasn't in water damage.
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And then she...
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What, you know, put two and two together.
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But she's like, well, water damage, my old place has water damage.
44:42
And the person was smart and said, well, did you bring the clothes?
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Did you even wash them?
44:46
Yeah.
44:46
Yeah.
44:47
And she's like, no, like I just, I had to save my clothes.
44:50
You know, everything else was trash.
44:51
I mean, it was a big water leak, like crashed.
44:53
Yeah.
44:54
just flooded, big water main break, you know, just really nasty.
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And that was the source of her changed her life.
45:02
Yeah, exactly.
45:03
You know what I mean?
45:04
You just don't know.
45:05
And again, a lot of people, when you bring that up, they're maybe not too,
45:11
excited about trying to think of what benefits something so catastrophic to them could have?
45:16
I have the docuseries, Homesick Home, and I'm getting feedback, right?
45:20
And I mean, there's other stuff in there.
45:22
We're talking about the easy stuff too.
45:23
We're talking about air quality.
45:25
We're talking about water, furniture choices, cleaners.
45:29
We have two episodes on that, but when it comes up with this mold, but when you look at those stories and how it's destroying
45:40
Thank you.
45:42
you may need to start over.
45:43
Right.
45:44
You know, and that's okay.
45:45
Yeah.
45:46
You know, I did it twice.
45:47
Yeah.
45:48
You know, and you're always going to be battling mold.
45:51
I'm always like, I'm worried right now that it's in my daughter's room for some reason, right?
45:55
Because I'm looking at her symptoms and maybe and doing these podcasts, you know, it's like more knowledge, more responsibility because you guys teach me so much.
46:05
My, you know, social media following teaches me so much.
46:09
And I'm like, oh, I didn't know, but I'm going to have to research that.
46:12
You know, and you think you guys have it bad, right?
46:16
Imagine me.
46:18
I don't have a choice.
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Like this is my mission.
46:22
So I have to look into these things.
46:23
I have to be congruent.
46:25
I get to be incongruent with them.
46:27
I enjoy this, right?
46:30
But sometimes when I'm getting sick or I move into a moldy hotel room, like, yeah.
46:37
did it really have to be me?
46:38
Like, do I have to be the sensitive guy?
46:43
Can I just not take this pill?
46:45
Do I have to live in... Is it bliss to be not know?
46:51
It's interesting, right?
46:52
But I think it's about learning about your system and a lot of people don't feel well every day.
46:59
And so once you...
47:01
Once you feel sick and you're aware of it, right, because your symptoms talk to you very loudly, right, a lot of the things I think probably similar, it's like if you get a neurological response, like a headache or something instant from a chemical or something that you're exposed to.
47:17
you know, it's very motivating where when people just have bloating and stomach issues or digestive issues, they're not always going to dive in and see maybe what's causing it, right?
47:28
Because they maybe aren't always as in tune.
47:32
And I think pain is a huge motivator, right?
47:35
It definitely is.
47:36
And I think the good news is, right, is...
47:41
If you're sick and you're not getting well, right.
47:44
You can get a mycotoxin test.
47:46
You can test your home with multiple, you know, finding someone that's really good.
47:52
Um, and it's your best investment, right?
47:54
You can, you can find a cast of vision.
47:56
Your house is going to be worth more, right?
47:58
Yeah.
47:59
Because you're cleaning it up.
48:00
And, uh, I think non-toxic homes are becoming a thing.
48:04
Yes.
48:05
Right.
48:05
Um, yeah.
48:06
Because people are more and more sick from their home, right?
48:08
And just sick in general.
48:10
Very complex cases we have.
48:11
Ignoring, you know, the source of your problems is like staying in a marriage where you're getting abused, right?
48:16
You're getting abused by your home.
48:18
Yeah.
48:18
And you're going to stay in that, right?
48:20
There's only so much your body can take before it breaks down and you don't have a life anymore.
48:26
So you do have a choice.
48:28
Yeah.
48:28
And it's a hard choice.
48:29
It might be downsizing.
48:31
Yes.
48:31
Like I moved into a 600 square foot house.
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And I was embarrassed.
48:35
Like, this is where my new wife is going to move into.
48:38
I don't have carpet, right?
48:40
You know, because you can't...
48:42
It's...
48:42
The smaller, the easier it is to fix.
48:44
Yeah.
48:44
A lot of the times, right?
48:46
To seal off your HVAC, do all the things that, you know, you have to do to get well.
48:50
Because I didn't have the means then when I started out.
48:53
You know, I was making...
48:55
You know, I left my career.
48:56
I lost all my money, right?
48:57
Yeah.
48:58
I was making $30,000 a year, you know, helping people.
49:02
Like I wasn't doing it, you know, for money, right?
49:06
And had my master's degree and I was making $14 an hour, right?
49:11
Yeah.
49:11
So I'm just like, it's...
49:15
But I had a choice, right?
49:16
I knew it was going to lead somewhere good.
49:17
I visualized my life, you know, getting married.
49:20
I visualized what it was going to feel like to be healthy again and how much value that was going to bring my life and casting that vision.
49:28
And it worked.
49:29
And that's critical for someone to get better, right?
49:32
So when people are stuck in this loop—
49:36
of, you know, my home is making me sick or my home is trying to kill me or all of these things that clients say to me all the time.
49:43
You know, it's so important to tap into...
49:47
how you see yourself better and well, you know, and the life either that you used to have or basically the new one that you want to create.
49:55
Because otherwise people are just, they're stuck in this loop.
49:57
And that's where this mindset piece comes in or brain retraining, you know, things like that, because people just, they get into this diagnosis, right?
50:08
Of whatever they have or have been told by the labs that,
50:11
So it's this very delicate balance, I find, because I don't want them identifying with this and talking about it to everybody, which is what happens.
50:19
You'll lose all your friends, by the way.
50:21
Yeah, I know.
50:21
It never happened to me.
50:22
I know.
50:23
No one got sick of me.
50:24
They always say, oh, what's wrong with that now?
50:27
Yeah.
50:27
You know, when I say something about whatever it might be.
50:31
My wife tells me that early on, she's just like, stop talking about your symptoms.
50:36
And I'm like, you're right.
50:37
For sure.
50:38
You're right.
50:38
It does.
50:38
It just ingrains it further.
50:41
I'm verbal.
50:41
Yeah.
50:42
Right.
50:42
So that's how I get it out.
50:46
But if you're an empath, like my wife, I mean, I guess I'm empathic too, but I'm verbal as well.
50:52
And then if it's just ruining the energy in the room, it's creating depression.
50:56
It's creating.
50:58
Well, and it's keeping you sick.
50:59
And it's keeping the client sick.
51:01
You're telling your body that you're sick.
51:02
You're telling your body over and over and you're reprogramming your cells to stay where they are not in that next state of health that you're wanting to achieve.
51:11
And that the science has now finally caught up with that one.
51:13
Yes.
51:14
You know, the limbic training and all the things, right?
51:16
Yeah.
51:16
It's beautiful.
51:16
Yeah.
51:17
To wrap this up into a bow, my final question for you, and thank you so much for sharing your wisdom, some of these hacks for your home, your story, your journey, specifically your heart.
51:29
You can tell you're out to help people.
51:31
You're creating programs for doctors and the public.
51:33
You're doing a lot of great work.
51:35
If there's your greatest concern with the world today, like kind of the thing that's keeping you up at night, but hopefully it's not.
51:43
for this planet, for humanity?
51:44
What is that?
51:45
And what would you do to help correct it if you could?
51:49
Sure.
51:49
So I know there are a lot of things, right?
51:52
Yeah, there's so many.
51:53
And I would say because I want to empower people like you do with choices, I think it's—
52:03
unfortunate, right?
52:04
How many things are hidden and people aren't even aware of what the things are that they're doing that are impacting their health so greatly.
52:13
Right.
52:13
And we see this because we have a lot of power and choice, right?
52:17
It does make a difference what we choose to buy or what we choose not to.
52:21
And so...
52:23
when we can share information in an easy, digestible way, that's not overwhelming, right?
52:30
If we can make those changes, especially with the kids, then we've changed the whole health trajectory for their life, right?
52:38
So for me, that's why I love working with little kids,
52:41
If they have symptoms, people downplay symptoms all the time.
52:44
I understand that.
52:45
I get it.
52:46
I do it myself.
52:47
Yeah, we all do because we don't want to deal with the problem.
52:49
Oh, the mom had eczema.
52:50
So no wonder this baby has eczema, right?
52:53
My whole thing is, you know, again, root cause medicine is finding the root cause and its root cause is really there's never just one thing.
53:02
But if you can identify those and rectify those, those are your upstream issues.
53:08
Most people are focusing on downstream things with Band-Aids, right?
53:12
Yeah.
53:13
So cleaning up the food, making good choices, getting out biotoxins and exposures, all really critical.
53:21
But yeah, if we can clean up families' homes and clean up the diet and things like that, you really do mitigate a lot of problems in someone's whole future.
53:32
And that's very important to me as a mom and as a practitioner.
53:36
Yeah.
53:37
If you can educate children, set them up for success.
53:39
Yeah.
53:40
Let them know that they have a choice.
53:42
They don't have to wear polyester underwear and, you know, spandex and, you know, well, spandex, I'm identifying myself again.
53:50
Yeah.
53:50
You know.
53:51
I mean, I do kind of talk about a lot of sugar, right?
53:55
Yeah.
53:56
It's something that.
53:58
It really has an impact on a lot of systems and even that just suppresses the immune system.
54:04
It does.
54:05
And, you know, the science doesn't say that it causes this and doesn't cause that.
54:10
And they try to, you know, it's just a calorie.
54:13
And, you know, so I think what you're saying is if we could educate people.
54:23
families, moms, kids.
54:25
One of my greatest compliments is when, uh, someone nine, 10 to 13 years old and younger says, I watch all your videos and I, and I, and, or a mom comes to me and says, my kid shows me your videos.
54:41
That's how I found out about you when you're able to reach.
54:44
So they shouldn't be on their stinky phones anyway, but I'm glad that I was able to reach you.
54:48
And what are they doing on Instagram and mine?
54:50
Yeah.
54:50
Yeah.
54:51
Or, you know, 13, I think this one was.
54:54
But even, you know, my kids watch all my videos.
54:56
Like they love them.
54:58
So we sit down and we watch them.
54:59
And if I tell them,
55:02
It's not as powerful, right?
55:04
But when I watched a video, it's crazy to me.
55:07
Like that's such a good video, dad.
55:09
And then it educates them.
55:10
So I'm educating my kids through my phone because they don't have phones.
55:14
They have school computers.
55:16
They can talk to their cousins a little bit, you know, every once in a while, FaceTime their aunts.
55:21
But we really limit because we know what the science shows there.
55:24
And we want that creative voice.
55:27
brilliance to come out of them.
55:29
We don't want them addicted to in a device, right?
55:32
We don't want to stunt their creativity, you know, and if they choose to get into social media later, you know, when they're older, go for it, you know?
55:39
I mean, it can be a great tool.
55:41
It's a necessary evil in my life, apparently.
55:45
So I love that, you know, educating families and children about these toxins that – whether it's sugar, mold, so that they can empower that choice, which can – that does drive economies.
55:59
It does.
56:00
And so we get that all the time that, oh, it doesn't matter.
56:02
Yes, it does.
56:04
Right.
56:04
Why do you think all these companies are showing up?
56:06
Right.
56:07
You know, it's massive.
56:09
There's a movement happening.
56:10
And it's a non-toxic lifestyle movement right now.
56:16
Right.
56:16
And we get to be part of it.
56:17
You get to help people.
56:19
And you do.
56:20
Speaking of which, if someone wants to find you, learn more.
56:23
Sure.
56:24
How do they find you on Instagram, website?
56:27
Instagram is drashleybeckman.
56:30
And my website is drashley.com.
56:34
So drashley.com.
56:35
Yeah.
56:36
And yeah, I educate on Instagram mostly.
56:41
Yeah.
56:41
That's a lot of videos.
56:42
And, but yeah, I'm very passionate about this.
56:45
Yeah.
56:46
Well, we love sharing this non-toxic movement with you.
56:50
And we're in this together.
56:52
We're linking arms and we're helping people.
56:53
And it's an honor.
56:55
Thank you.
56:56
Thank you for what you do.