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Ciara Pregnant With #5 At 40, As Births Jump 127% For Women In Their 40s · I Do, Part 2

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  Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, September 7th, Labor Day,
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  Speaker 1: and congratulations are in order for Ciara, who just announced
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  Speaker 1: she is pregnant with her fifth child. And she continues
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  Speaker 1: now a trend we have seen not just with celebrity women,
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  Speaker 1: but all women. In the United States. And with that,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. First
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  Speaker 1: thing that came to your mind when you heard she
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  Speaker 1: was pregnant. Just what was your initial reaction to it?
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  Speaker 1: Whatever it was.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it was excitement.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty cool.
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  Speaker 2: Sierra and her beautiful, beautiful family.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty.
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  Speaker 2: Russell Wilson.
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  Speaker 3: If you go and look just on her or his Instagram,
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  Speaker 3: what's so cool about them is just how much they
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  Speaker 3: promote love.
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  Speaker 2: Their family. Look, and I know everyone, it's not like
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  Speaker 2: it's some singular thing.
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  Speaker 3: But to be that big of a celebrity and to
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  Speaker 3: have those careers that each one has, you can see
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  Speaker 3: their focus is their family.
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  Speaker 2: Their number one priority is their family.
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  Speaker 3: It's fairly evident in how they operate, how they move,
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  Speaker 3: and how they even show the world a little bit
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  Speaker 3: about who they are.
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  Speaker 2: It always involves their kids.
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  Speaker 1: See, I always liked these two individually from afar. And
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  Speaker 1: admired them both, how they handled their careers, how they
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  Speaker 1: continued their careers even. And then when they got together,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of freaking awesome. And look, Robes, sometimes people
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  Speaker 1: just look good together. That whole family is just gorgeous.
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  Speaker 2: It's very cool.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody is just picturesque.
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  Speaker 3: And it's a blended family too, which is really special.
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  Speaker 3: I think they're kind of a beacon of light for
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  Speaker 3: a lot of folks who– Don't necessarily always get it
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  Speaker 3: right the first time, but you can find a way.
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  Speaker 3: If you find your forever person, you can build something
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  Speaker 3: really beautiful, and I think they're proof of that.
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  Speaker 1: And they keep building. So she is pregnant with her fifth.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be their fourth together. She right now has kids
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  Speaker 1: age 12, 9, 6, and 2, and this will be
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  Speaker 1: the new one. She's been married to Russell Wilson since 2016. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the oldest is with Future, rapper Future. They were in
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  Speaker 1: a relationship. Were they married?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if they were ever married.
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  Speaker 1: They were in a relationship for a long time. But
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  Speaker 1: the kid's name is Future and being raised, part of
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  Speaker 1: the growing family. Now, I said the ages. Tell me
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  Speaker 1: why you reacted that way to 12, 9, 6, 2,
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  Speaker 1: and now a new one.
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  Speaker 2: Because that is just a lot of work.
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  Speaker 3: I see that and I am just my, I am
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  Speaker 3: so impressed because she talks about taking her kids on
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  Speaker 3: tour with her.
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  Speaker 2: I know she has help.
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  Speaker 3: I know that they have means and resources, yes, and
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  Speaker 3: all of that. But still, that is a lot of kids. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: in a span of, I guess, what will end up being, what,
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  Speaker 3: 12 years, you have five kids. Just that's a lot
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  Speaker 3: on the body. That's a lot on your brain. Look,
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  Speaker 3: my grandmother had 10 kids by.
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  Speaker 2: The age of 40.
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  Speaker 1: How did she space them out?
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  Speaker 2: It was almost like one a year. It was crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, the factory was open and she just kept them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, look, she was funny.
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  Speaker 3: My grandmother was a Southern Baptist from Mississippi, but who
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  Speaker 3: married a Catholic man And so the birth control was
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  Speaker 3: out and she just started having babies.
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  Speaker 1: What was the biggest gap between kids? Would you say
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  Speaker 1: like two or three or four or five years?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe two years at the most between, but it's, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it was, my mom has.
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  Speaker 1: A full brood of siblings.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's, it's pretty remarkable, but I just know like,
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  Speaker 3: and then her whole life was her kids and granted
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  Speaker 3: she was a stay at home mom. Sierra is a
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  Speaker 3: working woman and is now going to have five by the.
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  Speaker 1: Age of 40.
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  Speaker 2: In modern times, that is beyond impressive.
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  Speaker 1: So these two have been married since 2016. Robes do
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  Speaker 1: that mad. Their first is nine years old. They pretty
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  Speaker 1: much started.
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  Speaker 2: They started right away.
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  Speaker 1: Immediately. And here they are. They're about to add another one. Now, this, Robes,
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  Speaker 1: is a growing trend. We have seen, I guess, folks
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  Speaker 1: will say, yeah, folks in Hollywood, women are having babies older.
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  Speaker 1: And we have seen this happen in their 40s. We've
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  Speaker 1: even seen a few happen in the 50s. And so
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  Speaker 1: we hear this, and I was hesitant to start to
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  Speaker 1: actually have this conversation. Where does, or does it belong
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  Speaker 1: anywhere in the conversation that any woman or women or
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  Speaker 1: the trend is that women are having babies older? It
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  Speaker 1: seems to come with some I don't know, a negative
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  Speaker 1: connotation to a certain degree to even discuss it. But
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a great thing. I was scared to
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  Speaker 1: have the conversation.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, no, this is absolutely a worthwhile conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Every woman, I've told you this, and every young girl
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  Speaker 3: comes up or had come up to me and said,
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  Speaker 3: how do you do it? How did you balance having
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  Speaker 3: kids and having a really active career? That's always a
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  Speaker 3: struggle for a lot of women. So to know that
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  Speaker 3: they have the choice to actually really build a career
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  Speaker 3: first and then start to have a family is That takes.
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  Speaker 2: Some of the pressure off of women.
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  Speaker 3: However, look, I know that there have been incredible scientific breakthroughs,
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  Speaker 3: medical breakthroughs that have allowed.
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  Speaker 2: Women to have children later.
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  Speaker 3: I do think that what the cautionary tale is that
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  Speaker 3: younger women shouldn't feel like, oh, it's a given.
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  Speaker 2: Now that we've.
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  Speaker 3: Got the ability to freeze our eggs, now that we
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  Speaker 3: have the ability to have In vitro fertilization. And we
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  Speaker 3: have all of these hormones that we can pump into
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  Speaker 3: our bodies to facilitate an older woman being able to
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  Speaker 3: remain pregnant and have a healthy child. All of that's
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  Speaker 3: great and remarkable, but it's not guaranteed.
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  Speaker 2: It's expensive.
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  Speaker 3: It can have some potential side effects and potential side effects.
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  Speaker 3: just issues that could happen later in life when you're
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  Speaker 3: pumping your body with hormones.
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  Speaker 2: But look, it's.
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  Speaker 3: Amazing and it's exciting and it gives women options, but
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  Speaker 3: I just think it doesn't, it shouldn't all be presented
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  Speaker 3: as just this perfect gift wrapped up in a bow
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  Speaker 3: that says, here, just delay having kids and it'll all
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  Speaker 3: work out. I think some women have learned, unfortunately, in
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  Speaker 3: a very devastating hard way, that miscarriages are more likely,
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  Speaker 3: birth defects are more likely. There are a lot of
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  Speaker 3: issues that do come along with being an older mother
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  Speaker 3: and But.
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  Speaker 2: There were some benefits too.
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  Speaker 3: So it's just a matter of being able to weigh
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  Speaker 3: the options and knowing the information that's out there. It
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  Speaker 3: just shouldn't be presented as an automatic, you'll be able
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  Speaker 3: to have a child after the age of 40 because
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  Speaker 3: of modern science. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. You just hit on why I
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  Speaker 1: was struggling and the way to tell this. In that, Robes,
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  Speaker 1: I looked at the Instagram posts. I see... everything they're
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  Speaker 1: showing and the celebration of adding to their family, a
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  Speaker 1: couple that I adore from afar and love the family.
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  Speaker 1: I want it to. I'm saying this is all just beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: Is it wrong to even mention the other thing? Because
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  Speaker 1: it seems like it's taking away from, you're saying it's
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  Speaker 1: adding context too. It's a part of the whole conversation.
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  Speaker 2: I think it adds context too.
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  Speaker 3: And also, I would just look, and again, I know
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  Speaker 3: that me getting breast cancer at 40, and I had
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  Speaker 3: had it for a couple of years, so I certainly...
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  Speaker 3: had breast cancer in my thirties. I think a lot
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  Speaker 3: of women might think, oh, I can wait until my
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  Speaker 3: late thirties to have a baby. And most certainly, probably
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  Speaker 3: most women can, but there are some of us and
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  Speaker 3: there are women who don't even know it. But having
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  Speaker 3: a baby for me, I remember the first thing my
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  Speaker 3: oncologist said to me is you are out of the
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  Speaker 3: baby making business. I had a hormonally positive cancer and look,
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  Speaker 3: you can still take the risk and It's not that
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  Speaker 3: you can't, but a lot of doctors would say you shouldn't.
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  Speaker 3: It's risky to have a baby at a certain point
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  Speaker 3: if you've had a certain type of cancer. But I
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  Speaker 3: just think to put all your eggs in one basket,
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  Speaker 3: to use a bad pun, to say I can do
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  Speaker 3: this in my late 30s, I can do this in
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  Speaker 3: my 40s, you also just have to consider that your body,
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  Speaker 3: your medical history, what is in your medical future, you
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  Speaker 3: don't know yet.
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  Speaker 2: It's just you should understand.
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  Speaker 3: All of what comes with potentially having a baby later
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  Speaker 3: in life.
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  Speaker 1: Um, yes, that's, that is all worth knowing. And again,
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  Speaker 1: I do robes and we have a list we'll share here,
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  Speaker 1: but all the stories I remember about women, older women
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  Speaker 1: having their babies were, I think all I feel is
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  Speaker 1: good about it. I do too. I don't feel, well,
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  Speaker 1: I've been reading more and doing more research and getting
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  Speaker 1: into it more this morning to where I'm like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: this is, this is really risky stuff. And it can be,
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  Speaker 1: and there ain't a doctor I've seen who would ever
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  Speaker 1: actually tell a woman, you know what? You're good. Wait
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  Speaker 1: till you're 42.
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  Speaker 3: No, no. And in fact, my brother, who's a doctor,
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  Speaker 3: I remember when I started to get into my late 20s,
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  Speaker 3: he was like, I'm not trying to put pressure on you,
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  Speaker 3: but you should just know that I think he told
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  Speaker 3: me after age 27, your fertility rate starts to decline
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  Speaker 3: pretty rapidly. And while it's technically possible to get pregnant
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  Speaker 3: at a certain point in time after pregnancy, 40, 50,
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  Speaker 3: using your own egg, the chance of success is very,
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  Speaker 3: very rare. And I think what isn't talked about is
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  Speaker 3: that most women in advanced ages of late 40s, 50s,
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  Speaker 3: you don't have eggs that are viable. You end up
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  Speaker 3: having to use a donor egg in almost every circumstance.
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  Speaker 2: But that's not talked about.
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  Speaker 3: So there's a fantasy out there, I think, for women
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  Speaker 3: in their 20s who are worried about finding the right mate,
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  Speaker 3: who are trying to create careers for themselves and are
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  Speaker 3: saying to themselves, I can wait another 15, 20 years.
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  Speaker 3: And they might be able to, but they should also
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  Speaker 3: just understand that it's not guaranteed and there are risks
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  Speaker 3: associated with it.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a lot. I don't even know how expensive
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  Speaker 1: this is, but.
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  Speaker 2: The idea of freezing your eggs.
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  Speaker 1: Which a lot of women, and we'll get into some
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  Speaker 1: of the celebrities, at least I've done this, did do
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  Speaker 1: that exact thing. But robes, I did not realize this.
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  Speaker 1: This was fascinating to hear how women, older women, excuse
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  Speaker 1: what's the right way to put it? I sound offensive
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  Speaker 1: and everything.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't offend me. Like, look, I'm an older woman.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not offended by it. That's all right. It's just
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  Speaker 3: the truth. It's the facts.
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  Speaker 1: But women who are 35, 40 plus, the rate at
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  Speaker 1: which they are now giving birth has gone off the charts. Robes,
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  Speaker 1: this is a thing. It can be said. It is
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  Speaker 1: a fact. More and more and more women are having
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  Speaker 1: kids in their 40s. This is a thing. This is
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  Speaker 1: a trend. This is real, and it is here. The
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  Speaker 1: thing that got me, Robes, that for the first time,
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  Speaker 1: the National Institutes of Health, they put their study out
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  Speaker 1: in 2023, so it's the latest year that we have. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: they put it out last year, but that's the latest
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  Speaker 1: year we have stats for. That year was the first
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  Speaker 1: one they have, Robes, on record in which the number
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  Speaker 1: of women giving birth over the age of 40 outpaced
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  Speaker 1: the number of teenage births we had in the country.
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  Speaker 1: My goodness. Hear that out. Robes, teen births, been focused
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  Speaker 1: on this for decades, obviously, and trying to get that down.
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  Speaker 1: But teen births represented 13% of all births in 1990.
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  Speaker 1: By 2023, only 4% of all births. Now, that helped
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  Speaker 1: out a lot. Greatly, obviously, in adjusting this. But this
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  Speaker 1: is the one that blew my mind. Fertility rates for
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  Speaker 1: women 35 to 39 in that same period went up
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  Speaker 1: 71 percent.
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  Speaker 3: My goodness. For women 40 to 44.
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  Speaker 1: Went up 127 percent. Robes, that is ginormous. There is
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  Speaker 1: a huge shift in the way we think about women
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  Speaker 1: having babies.
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  Speaker 2: And look, I'll be honest.
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  Speaker 3: I would have loved to have thought I could have
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  Speaker 3: had a baby in my 40s. I wouldn't have been
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  Speaker 3: able to because of my breast cancer, but I saw
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  Speaker 3: my friends do it.
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  Speaker 2: I saw them at 40, 41, 42. I have two
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  Speaker 2: friends who gave birth. I won't name them.
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  Speaker 3: They ended up using donor eggs, but 48 and 49.
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  Speaker 3: And they had healthy pregnancies. They just weren't able to
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  Speaker 3: use their own eggs, but they certainly carried the baby
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  Speaker 3: and had healthy children as a result. And that is remarkable,
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  Speaker 3: but it's expensive.
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  Speaker 2: It's time consuming.
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  Speaker 3: It's filled with oftentimes some loss because this is not
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  Speaker 3: a guaranteed situation.
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  Speaker 1: But it's also possible.
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  Speaker 2: But it's possible.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing, right? It's now possible. So just go
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  Speaker 1: back a decade ago, most... births were to women between
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  Speaker 1: the ages of 25 and 29 that make about sense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah that was 2012 yeah i had my first baby
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  Speaker 3: at 29 okay and granted i was um i guess
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  Speaker 3: i don't know and then my second was at 32
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  Speaker 3: i had just turned 33 okay so 29.
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  Speaker 1: And 33 a decade later so that was in 2012
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  Speaker 1: but a decade later most births were to women between
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  Speaker 1: the age of 30 and 44 30 and 34 30
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  Speaker 1: and what i say 44 30 30 and 34 robes
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  Speaker 1: The stats bear this out. Women are waiting.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. And 35, anyone who's been pregnant knows that is
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  Speaker 3: considered the age at which if you're past 35, that's
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  Speaker 3: called a geriatric pregnancy.
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  Speaker 1: Those doctors will freak you out.
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  Speaker 3: I know. I remember I actually was so... I had
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  Speaker 3: Annalise when I, again, I was 32 when I got pregnant.
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  Speaker 3: I had just turned 33 when I gave birth to her.
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  Speaker 3: I remember thinking, oh, thank God I got in before 35.
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  Speaker 3: Like there was just this thing that was, I felt
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  Speaker 3: like there was this threshold over my head that I
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't wait until after 35. I definitely felt a, a time, uh,
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  Speaker 3: like a time bomb going off. But a lot of
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  Speaker 3: women would say that's, you know, that's unfair. Like you're,
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  Speaker 3: you're now, maybe you're rushing to be with the wrong
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  Speaker 3: mate or you're willing to Yes, have a child with
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  Speaker 3: someone you shouldn't have otherwise. Or, you know, you're derailing
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  Speaker 3: your career. I mean, there's all the amount of pressure
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  Speaker 3: that women feel if they know they want to be
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  Speaker 3: moms is pretty significant. And so I do think it's
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  Speaker 3: awesome that many women do have options. And I just
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  Speaker 3: think it needs to come with The fine print. Every
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  Speaker 3: woman needs to understand. We see these celebrity examples and yes,
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  Speaker 3: it is joyful and it's wonderful. Who doesn't celebrate seeing
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  Speaker 3: new life and just the hope that comes with it
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  Speaker 3: and the excitement that it's possible for women that it
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't have been possible for otherwise.
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  Speaker 2: All of that is good. And I do love it.
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  Speaker 3: It just, I do worry that sometimes it isn't provided
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  Speaker 3: with the proper context.
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  Speaker 1: Well, because the pictures are pretty, and that's the truth.
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  Speaker 1: And we're going to get into one here in just
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  Speaker 1: a sec, Rob. There was one person in particular that
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  Speaker 1: had 10 years. She ended up giving birth in her 50s,
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  Speaker 1: but it was a journey, she said, that started 10 years.
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  Speaker 1: They were trying for 10 years to do this in
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  Speaker 1: their family planning. So why is this happening? I guess
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  Speaker 1: it makes sense. You hit on some of the stuff,
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  Speaker 1: why it's different now, yes, or why women are waiting longer. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: there are different attitudes about career. There's different attitudes about dating,
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  Speaker 1: about marriage, about when to do all this stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: obviously we have these medical advancements. All that stuff is good.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen necessarily yet, Robes, we haven't seen any
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  Speaker 1: trends where there's a, I don't know, we're noticing something
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  Speaker 1: emerge like, oh my goodness, women are having babies older,
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  Speaker 1: so now this means blank, blank, and a blank. There
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  Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be a downside, if you will. There
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  Speaker 1: are challenges, but ultimately they go on and have babies
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  Speaker 1: and have families and Everything's fine to have a mom
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  Speaker 1: in her 40s when she's... Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I think the downside, the upside is you get
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  Speaker 3: to have, you get to really cultivate your career and
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  Speaker 3: figure out who you are, and you might be a
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  Speaker 3: more patient mom, a more focused mom. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: do wish that I could have maybe even delayed it
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  Speaker 3: by a decade and been able to be more relaxed
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  Speaker 3: and more focused and less career-centered. That would have been
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  Speaker 3: maybe more beneficial to my kids.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: We have options, baby.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. But because not only is it my age, it's yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's a lot of stuff, but it's all.
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  Speaker 2: Sorts of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But the point being is, I do think that the
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  Speaker 3: downside is that, yeah, you might not get to know
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  Speaker 3: your grandkids. You might not get to be around for
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: some of life's later milestones that your children might wish you.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: Could be in. But look, with the good comes the bad.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: That's just a part of life.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, stay with us here, folks. A reminder,
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: didn't realize the list was so long of celebrity women
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: who have given birth in their early 40s, late 40s,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: even 50s.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: Stay here. Welcome back, everyone, to Amy and TJ. Yes,
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: we're celebrating the news that Ciara, at the age of 40, yes,
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: is pregnant with her fifth child. Congratulations to Ciara and
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: Russell Wilson. But it definitely got us talking as we
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  Speaker 3: see more and more celebrities giving birth in their 40s
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  Speaker 3: and their 50s.
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  Speaker 2: We were actually still surprised.
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  Speaker 3: Some of these names and ages I don't think I
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: was even aware of. The one I remember the most
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  Speaker 3: making the biggest headline at the time was Janet Jackson.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Because she was 50 years old, 2017. She was on
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: the cover of People, maybe? But obviously stunningly beautiful and
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: pregnant and had a healthy baby. And that was just
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: like a shocker, honestly, to think that someone could give
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: birth at the age of 50 to a healthy child.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: That's remarkable. She carried that baby. Yes, she carried that baby. Now,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: we should say, you were talking earlier as well, The
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: doctors will tell you. There is a certain point, if
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: you hear about a woman over the age of 45,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: whatever the number you use, but at some point you
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: do not have, unless you use a donor egg or
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: froze your eggs, You just can't.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, your eggs.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Look, we're born as women with all the eggs we're
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: going to have in our entire lifetime. And so I
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: believe starting at a certain age, you just start to
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: rapidly shed them. And the ones that do remain are
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: the less viable ones, are the ones that are more
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: likely to have chromosomal deficiencies, etc. So it gets a
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: little scary about what your egg reserve might be like.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: But look....
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  Speaker 3: And obviously, there are plenty of ways for women to
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: have children, just a little unconventional.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, and a lot of, and again, this list we're
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: talking here, all of these folks gave birth. This was
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: not an adoption situation.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Or a surrogate situation.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Aubrey Plaza, did she, has she had that baby yet?
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, she just had the baby.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: I actually have seen some paparazzi photos of her, unfortunately,
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: trying to shield the baby from the photographers. But yes,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: she just had the baby not that long ago.
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  Speaker 2: Hilary Swank at the age of 48.
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  Speaker 1: I believe this is a frozen egg situation.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: I believe it was. But yes, 48. That was a
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago. I didn't remember Alanis Morissette.
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  Speaker 3: 45.
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  Speaker 2: Gave birth to her son.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: That was back in 2019.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Bridget Nielsen. This one was shocking.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: This was the one I was talking about. She said
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: she and her husband started at 42. thinking about this.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: And it took time. It took years and they stayed
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: at it. She gave birth, frozen eggs. They were hers.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: 54 years old. Gave birth to a healthy baby.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: That is, I mean, and by the way, those 10 years,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: like that, that is a devotion to wanting a family
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: of your own.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Rachel Weisz, um, 48 years old. I didn't realize she
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: was that, um, that advanced in age. She always seems
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: like a 32 year old to me, but yes, 48.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Love that woman. And then she was married to James Bond.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: So this is like, I love this couple.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Power couple.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: We've mentioned Janet Jackson.
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  Speaker 3: Laura Linney at 49 in 2014 had her child. We
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: remember Kelly Preston at 48.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: What were the circumstances?
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: So the reason behind this one, I recall, and I
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: do believe she... And look, there's been plenty of folks
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: who have tried to track down, we won't get into.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: It, where the egg came from. But she used a
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: donor egg.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: But their son, her and John Travolta's son, Jet, wasn't
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: that his name?
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: He actually had this terrible accident. I believe he was
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: 16 years old, fell in the shower and died. And
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: so they were mourning the loss of him.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: They had another... little girl named Ella. And I remember
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: she was born around the same time Ava was. So
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: I always kind of kept up with them, you know,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: when you're pregnant at.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: The same time as someone else.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: But yeah, this was kind of them wanting to have
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: a miracle baby and they did dealing with the loss
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: of their son and they did um so yeah she
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: did that at 48 holly hunter at 47 i didn't
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: remember that one and gina davis 48 didn't remember that
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: susan sarandon 46 didn't remember nancy grace 48 she had
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: twins and she actually talked about having some life-threatening complications
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: so um and gwen stefani Had her last one at 44.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: All impressive. It is.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: And they were all healthy. But all of them from
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: reading this morning have a story, have some journey. Something
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: was happening behind the scenes that got them to there.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: They just didn't wake up one day.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, my goodness.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: This is great. I'm pregnant. It was not that. So, Robes, it's... So, yes,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: you've brought me around to dealing with the hesitation I
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: had over this. It is important. It is important to
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: add the extra part and have this... And this still
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: is celebratory. This still is a wonderful feat that we
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: should be saying, great, women have more options now.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Yes, and families have more options and women might feel
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: less pressure.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Um, and I think it's.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Just an individual choice of what you're willing to put
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: your body through because you really do. If you want
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: a baby at that age, oftentimes it does take some
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: very active, uh, investment of time, money, your body dealing
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: with heartbreak and loss, but hoping in the end that
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: you do get to complete your family or at least
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: grow your family in the way you want to do it.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: And I do think options are great just with, full
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: information involved. I think, yeah, the celebrity stories are wonderful.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: But as you point out, there's oftentimes more to them
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: than meets the eye.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Congrats. Congrats, Sierra Russell Wilson. Looking forward to it. Of course,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: check out their photos. They had a joint Instagram post
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: they put up and it's just perfect. It's perfect.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Everything about it is perfect. But congrats to them. We
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: appreciate you as always. Hope you're having a good, good, uh,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Labor Day.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Labor Day.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Wherever you might be. But we appreciate you spending a
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: little of your holiday here with us. I'm TJ. That's Robes.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk soon.