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- 0:00Hello, everyone. This is Jacob Emerson with the
- 0:02Becker's Payer Issues podcast.
- 0:04Thrilled today to be joined by Heather Tamberino,
- 0:06who is the chief financial officer at EmblemHealth.
- 0:09Heather, thanks so much for taking the time
- 0:11to be with me on the podcast today.
- 0:13Thank you so much. I'm here and excited
- 0:15to talk with you.
- 0:16Likewise, Heather. And we appreciate you taking the
- 0:18time to sit down with us.
- 0:21Before we dive into everything we wanna talk
- 0:22with you both with you about,
- 0:24can you tell us a little bit more
- 0:26about yourself,
- 0:27your background in health care, and what it
- 0:29is that you're doing today at EmblemHealth?
- 0:32Sure. Absolutely.
- 0:34I've been in health care for over twenty
- 0:36two years now with the majority of that
- 0:39being within
- 0:40nonprofit health plans.
- 0:42More specifically, over the last ten years, I've
- 0:44been lucky enough to work in
- 0:46integrated health plan provider groups so we can
- 0:49bring more of a unique proposal to the
- 0:51members and communities we serve. And I have
- 0:54to say, I'm most proud to be part
- 0:57of the team at Emblem where I do
- 0:59truly feel it's a unique health plan.
- 1:01You know, our social missions
- 1:03at the heart of everything we do and
- 1:05the fact that we bring both the health
- 1:07plan and the physicians together to serve the
- 1:09community
- 1:10on their path to health is truly
- 1:13what I believe is a model for the
- 1:14future.
- 1:15Here,
- 1:16I have overall responsibility for the financial health
- 1:20of the enterprise.
- 1:21I work with the broader leadership team on
- 1:23strategy,
- 1:24both on the health plan and on the
- 1:27physician side,
- 1:28support resource allocation,
- 1:30and, you know, the traditional financial functions that
- 1:33you would expect, tax, treasury,
- 1:35actuarial,
- 1:36underwriting,
- 1:37etcetera.
- 1:38Fantastic. So, Heather, I wanted to get us
- 1:41started today by talking a little bit about
- 1:43some important
- 1:44work, just recently announced by EmblemHealth.
- 1:47The the company has pledged $2,000,000
- 1:50to food security efforts across New York City.
- 1:54So fill in our audience who who isn't
- 1:56familiar with this initiative,
- 1:59where did this money come from? Who is
- 2:01it going to? And what were you hearing
- 2:03or seeing on the ground in,
- 2:06your neighborhood care centers that that made this
- 2:08investment feel really urgent right now?
- 2:11Absolutely.
- 2:12And I'm glad you're asking this question because
- 2:14it's an important initiative, but it's it's also
- 2:17an important moment in time.
- 2:19I know your listeners are hearing on their
- 2:21news feeds and through their government affairs teams
- 2:24about the recent federal rollbacks
- 2:26and the reports on rising cases of food
- 2:29insecurity.
- 2:30Critical programs like SNAP
- 2:32are being pressured.
- 2:34We're even seeing that the USDA's
- 2:37decision to stop tracking and releasing annual data
- 2:40on food insecurity.
- 2:42You know, their last report showed that over
- 2:4518,000,000
- 2:46Americans
- 2:47were facing food insecurity and hunger.
- 2:49And as these resources
- 2:51dwindle and food pantries are strained,
- 2:53more and more New Yorkers are struggling.
- 2:56And in fact, the New York City mayor's
- 2:58office of food policy last reported that
- 3:02almost 1,200,000
- 3:03city residents, that's almost 15% of New York
- 3:06were New Yorkers were food insecure.
- 3:09So
- 3:10we're hearing that. Right? That's that's happening broadly,
- 3:14on the on the
- 3:16broader stage. And we at Emblem are uniquely
- 3:19positioned
- 3:20through what we have our neighborhood care centers,
- 3:24and we're seeing this issue firsthand.
- 3:27You know? So as you said, it's a
- 3:28it's a different and unique model,
- 3:31but Emblem has invested in 15 sites across
- 3:34the five boroughs in what we call neighborhood
- 3:36care centers. Think of them almost as, like,
- 3:39community hubs.
- 3:41Anybody in the community can come in for
- 3:43assistance with social determinants of health. It could
- 3:46be a housing issue,
- 3:48food distribution,
- 3:49cooking and fitness classes. How do they get
- 3:52access to care?
- 3:53Someone to help them in language,
- 3:56understand
- 3:57mailings, or even just for a cup of
- 4:00coffee. And when we think about social determinants
- 4:02of of
- 4:03of health, two top issues facing,
- 4:06Americans now and New Yorkers here specifically is
- 4:09both loneliness and food security.
- 4:11And so
- 4:12we offer these free services to any member
- 4:15of the community, not just EmblemHealth members.
- 4:18The other thing about these sites is they're
- 4:21collocated in many instances
- 4:23with our AdvantageCare
- 4:26physician,
- 4:27PCP, and specialist groups. So if there's a
- 4:29health issue,
- 4:30we can get that individual
- 4:32almost immediate access to care.
- 4:35So that's the construct. That's what we have.
- 4:37And in these neighborhood care sites today, we're
- 4:41tracking.
- 4:42And in comparison to just a year ago,
- 4:44we have a 17%
- 4:46increase
- 4:47with individuals coming into the centers
- 4:50struggling
- 4:51with getting access to food.
- 4:54And I'll give you an example. In early
- 4:56February,
- 4:57at our Chinatown location, we had announced a
- 4:59food distribution event. This has been part of,
- 5:02ongoing programming that we have. And we had
- 5:06announced a food distribution event for 11AM where
- 5:08we had hoped to hand out
- 5:10200 bags of food, which feed about an
- 5:12Edgards family of three people.
- 5:15When we arrived, our our team members arrived
- 5:17to open that day at 7AM. We already
- 5:19have a line around the block.
- 5:21So if you know New York in February,
- 5:23this is not a pleasant time to be
- 5:25out and about.
- 5:26But we launched earlier and and basically handed
- 5:29out our full complement to food in fifteen
- 5:31minutes. So you hear the federal impacts. You
- 5:34know that the
- 5:35with reductions in food,
- 5:37support with SNAP, etcetera,
- 5:40you see the increases
- 5:42of our members coming into our
- 5:45community centers,
- 5:46and we have the opportunity to say, well,
- 5:49what can we do?
- 5:51So what are we doing? And you identified
- 5:53it, the community food security initiative.
- 5:57We recognize that there's this profound connection
- 6:00between health outcomes and access to food,
- 6:04So we're expanding
- 6:05our food security programming
- 6:07and
- 6:09adding $2,000,000
- 6:11to our security initiative. And you said, well,
- 6:13where's where's that going?
- 6:16We're providing donations to critical partners
- 6:19who deliver services and support families in need
- 6:22already in existence,
- 6:23trusted,
- 6:24groups with the Campaign Against Hunger,
- 6:27the New York Common Pantry, and City Harvest.
- 6:31Additionally,
- 6:32we are
- 6:34supporting
- 6:35dozens of food distribution events each month through
- 6:39our EmblemHealth
- 6:40neighborhood care centers
- 6:42and also then hosting pop up food distributions
- 6:45and farmers market with our community affairs teams.
- 6:49Our our goal here is to ensure that
- 6:52families have easier access to free,
- 6:55nutritious food right in their neighborhoods,
- 6:58whether that's coming to a brick and mortar
- 7:01neighborhood care center that's close to them
- 7:04or at these pop up events so that
- 7:06we can meet the communities where they are
- 7:08with our partners.
- 7:09Well, this really sounds like it's gonna be
- 7:11such an impactful
- 7:13and as you, you know, explained, you're really
- 7:15seeing that the demand is there across the
- 7:17city, both anecdotally and and then through some
- 7:20of the data,
- 7:21you shared with us that 15% figure. So
- 7:24clearly, very comprehensive
- 7:26infrastructure is in place across your your 15
- 7:28care centers, across all five boroughs to really
- 7:30tackle this head on. I wonder if we're
- 7:32if we're looking more broadly at this from
- 7:34an industry perspective. You know? We hear from
- 7:36health plans all the time about how they
- 7:38are really starting to try to incorporate more
- 7:41food as medicine based initiatives
- 7:44as part of their health care efforts, as
- 7:46part of as part of benefits,
- 7:48programs,
- 7:49not just as community outreach, efforts, but as,
- 7:52tied in with with reimbursement and and social
- 7:55determinants of health. So I wonder
- 7:57how how do you think the industry's approach
- 7:59to social needs like nutrition
- 8:02is evolving from from where you sit, Heather?
- 8:04When where do you think things are still
- 8:06falling short?
- 8:08It's an important question because you can look
- 8:10at one initiative that we just talked about,
- 8:13but
- 8:14it it is absolutely broader than that.
- 8:17We know hunger and health deeply intertwined,
- 8:21and and can't just switch health outcomes
- 8:24directly in the doctor's office. It has to
- 8:26be addressed in the kitchens. It has to
- 8:28be addressed in neighborhoods and communities.
- 8:31So to your point at EmblemHealth,
- 8:34we're seeing that our neighbors are having to
- 8:36make these very difficult decisions.
- 8:39Do I pay rent? Do I put food
- 8:41on the table? Or do I buy medicine?
- 8:43And in this environment,
- 8:45food and housing
- 8:47will become the priority.
- 8:48Health and fitness, etcetera,
- 8:51will fall by the wayside.
- 8:53And our internal analytics show a very clear
- 8:56pattern.
- 8:57Members that are experiencing
- 8:59food insecurity
- 9:00have higher rates of chronic diseases, such as
- 9:03diabetes,
- 9:04hypertension,
- 9:05or heart failure.
- 9:07They also show
- 9:09higher ER utilization
- 9:11and avoidable admissions.
- 9:13So this is a health issue. And to
- 9:15your point, it's not a charitable giving issue
- 9:17or or it's not just a community outreach
- 9:19where you're seeking reimbursement.
- 9:21And so
- 9:23you asked, well, why does the industry need
- 9:25to think or engage in a different way?
- 9:28When members don't have reliable access to nutritious
- 9:31food, no amount of benefit design where the
- 9:34traditional care management
- 9:36can close that health gap.
- 9:38So we, you know, are mission driven, community
- 9:41focused, nonprofit health plan. And so we believe
- 9:45our role is as a steward
- 9:47of community health. We go beyond, like, traditional
- 9:51benefit management.
- 9:53And we understand that we have to adapt.
- 9:55Look. I'm the CFO.
- 9:57People ask me,
- 9:59why are you the leader of this initiative?
- 10:01Right? That's unusual.
- 10:03And one, I would say, one, I wholeheartedly
- 10:06believe in our mission.
- 10:08But two, it makes financial sense.
- 10:12Investing in food security is an upstream
- 10:14strategy.
- 10:15You know, preventing avoidable hospitalizations,
- 10:18lowering long term costs,
- 10:21most importantly,
- 10:22improving the dignity dignity and quality of the
- 10:25life of our members. It's a win for
- 10:27everyone.
- 10:28And and
- 10:30addressing
- 10:31food insecurity
- 10:32is more than just the right thing to
- 10:34do.
- 10:35It can support
- 10:36medical cost management.
- 10:38If we intervene early,
- 10:40we address the root causes of poor health
- 10:43rather than try and treat the more expensive
- 10:47downstream consequences.
- 10:49So EmblemHealth is leaning into these types of
- 10:52community investments, not just the food initiative,
- 10:55but by establishing
- 10:57these co located neighborhood care centers that partnered
- 11:00with physicians' offices,
- 11:02delivering support in language,
- 11:05providing unique tailored local programming.
- 11:09If as health plans,
- 11:11look at any one of our mission statements.
- 11:13It could be a for profit. It could
- 11:15be a not for profit.
- 11:17But almost all of us will have a
- 11:19focus on improving the health of our members
- 11:20and our mission and vision statements.
- 11:22But we cannot continue to lean on aged
- 11:26practices.
- 11:27We need to be in the community. We
- 11:29need to be focused on specific concerns as
- 11:32they are emerging. Like, we're seeing this pivotable
- 11:35point
- 11:36in time right now for New Yorkers and
- 11:39the country.
- 11:40And we need to think local, and we
- 11:42need to serve local.
- 11:44I think that's where
- 11:46we have to see as you asked specifically,
- 11:49I think that's where you have to see
- 11:51health plans thinking about it as a broader
- 11:53element,
- 11:54not just the traditional.
- 11:56It it really is if you want to
- 11:58address the costs
- 12:00of care. Right? If you think about it
- 12:03from a for profit perspective,
- 12:05let alone the social mission and
- 12:09care of our members aspect of it. I
- 12:11think that's why we have to see people
- 12:13lean in differently
- 12:15more through partnership, more through connectedness,
- 12:18more through understanding
- 12:19very specific local needs.
- 12:22Absolutely. And I think it's such a great
- 12:23point that you you made, Heather, that and
- 12:26it sends such a great message of, why
- 12:28the CFO is overseeing,
- 12:30an initiative like this. It all ties back
- 12:33together. It's all connected. And And I think
- 12:35in the spirit of talking about, you know,
- 12:36the connectedness
- 12:37of the health care system,
- 12:39looking forward on on something like this, and
- 12:42we can take this just from the New
- 12:43York City perspective.
- 12:44What do you think it will take from
- 12:46from payers like EmblemHealth,
- 12:48from providers across the city, and then, of
- 12:50course, from from local and and state policymakers
- 12:53to make food security a a lasting part
- 12:56of public health infrastructure and and as part
- 12:58of the work that you do at Emblem?
- 13:02I I think we have to be
- 13:04specific.
- 13:05Right? We can talk about it. But when
- 13:08you have a multifactor,
- 13:12difficult
- 13:12sort of challenge in front of us,
- 13:15and you use the word connections or connectedness,
- 13:18we really do have to think about how
- 13:20do we connect
- 13:22our community affairs team
- 13:24with our care providers.
- 13:26How do we focus on consistency
- 13:28of that application?
- 13:30How do we
- 13:31highlight partnership and collaboration
- 13:34across all those groups you just noted? You
- 13:36could be a payer. You could be a
- 13:38provider. You could be elected official.
- 13:40But how
- 13:41do each of us think about that? I
- 13:44do think in many ways right now, the
- 13:46model
- 13:47health that we're providing
- 13:49and investing in at Emblem,
- 13:52you know, we talk about neighborhood care as
- 13:54being different.
- 13:55Those care centers are focused on not just
- 13:59the
- 14:00not just food distribution, but it's on education
- 14:03and empowerment.
- 14:05So in addition to providing free and healthy
- 14:08food,
- 14:08we're hosting nutrition workshops,
- 14:11culturally tailored cooking demonstrations.
- 14:14We're helping families
- 14:16take fresh ingredients, and how do you turn
- 14:19those into healthy,
- 14:20affordable meals
- 14:22that align with their health goals. So so
- 14:24when I talk about nutrition classes,
- 14:27a couple of the nutrition classes we have
- 14:29are like, how do you make healthier choices
- 14:31when you're eating out? Some folks would say,
- 14:33well, eating out, like, they can bear you
- 14:35know, some
- 14:36of our our constituents can barely put money
- 14:39on their table. But what will happen is
- 14:41they will go to
- 14:42quick, easy, cheap, not necessarily always nutritious fast
- 14:46food.
- 14:47So how do you make a healthier choice
- 14:48if you're in that option?
- 14:51Having series on plant based foods, heart health
- 14:54nutrition.
- 14:56We even have like, you can go to
- 14:57our website today.
- 14:59There's cooking demonstrations.
- 15:01So, again, with limited healthy food,
- 15:05how do you make it you know, how
- 15:06do you make it spread? How do you
- 15:08make it
- 15:09seem nutritious? And how do you link it
- 15:11to your specific condition?
- 15:14So
- 15:15another thing we do is really design classes
- 15:19around chronic conditions that are most prevalent in
- 15:22the neighborhoods we serve.
- 15:24So we we know
- 15:27almost ZIP code by ZIP code, we track
- 15:30what are the most prevalent chronic disease conditions.
- 15:33Is it diabetes? Is it hypertension?
- 15:36Is it heart disease?
- 15:38And we focus
- 15:39on some of our population health activities and
- 15:42leveraging
- 15:43these neighborhood care centers
- 15:46to reflect
- 15:47the people that we're serving and their needs
- 15:50in those local spaces.
- 15:52So so, really, you're connecting not just the
- 15:55food access,
- 15:56but you're connecting it to health literacy,
- 15:59and you're connecting it
- 16:01to community belonging.
- 16:03Right? Because it's tied to the cultural
- 16:06norms and cultural needs that are prevalent in
- 16:09certain
- 16:10microcosms
- 16:11within our service area,
- 16:13you know, that helps create more sustainable outcomes
- 16:17that can improve health.
- 16:19And so I I talk a lot about
- 16:20neighborhood care, and so maybe other
- 16:23plans don't have that same investment that we've
- 16:26made. But they do have community affairs teams.
- 16:29They do have partnerships
- 16:31with large provider systems.
- 16:34And we do. We couple our community affairs
- 16:36teams. We partner with ACP and Y and
- 16:39other provider groups.
- 16:41Our events teams
- 16:42are out there pointing members to resources available
- 16:45to them through community based organizations
- 16:49or through our neighborhood care sites.
- 16:51Our neighborhood care team members can actually connect
- 16:54people to PCP appointments right on the spot,
- 16:57or they can connect them to SDOH resources.
- 17:01In our PCP offices,
- 17:02they can walk people down stairs to someone
- 17:05who can help beyond just the health visit.
- 17:08So we're doing this all as well. We
- 17:11talked about that third leg of the stool,
- 17:14in concert with elected leaders across the city,
- 17:18reaching out and talking to them through our
- 17:20community affairs and government affairs teams,
- 17:23understanding
- 17:23and learning what is most critical to their
- 17:26constituents,
- 17:28making sure that we're leaning in and standing
- 17:30up to that specific need in partnership with
- 17:33those on the bids. I think this level
- 17:37of partnership, sort of consistency, connecting needs to
- 17:40resources is what we're striving to achieve with
- 17:44our investments at EmblemHealth. Any health plan, though,
- 17:47or large provider system, they have those same
- 17:50capabilities. They have community affairs and government affairs
- 17:53functions.
- 17:54They have population health teams. They have big
- 17:57data.
- 17:58This isn't unique. It doesn't have to be
- 18:01unique to a nonprofit
- 18:02mission based health plan like ours.
- 18:05This connectedness
- 18:06of data,
- 18:07resources,
- 18:08partnerships
- 18:09to extend nutrition,
- 18:11extend health and education
- 18:13and empowerment.
- 18:15I think that's where we have to see
- 18:16people lean in to really get to something
- 18:19that's more sustainable.
- 18:21And, Heather, you're really you're speaking directly to
- 18:23a lot of the other health plans listening
- 18:25in right now. You mentioned some of the
- 18:26smaller plans and where they may be at
- 18:28in their journey, in the space that we're
- 18:31talking about.
- 18:32And before we go, is there any final
- 18:34thoughts that you would offer them or or
- 18:35final bits of advice,
- 18:38as as they continue on, like I mentioned,
- 18:39in in different stages of this food is
- 18:41medicine and an access
- 18:43journey.
- 18:44Anything any parting words for them?
- 18:47Yeah. I mean, I would say
- 18:49I do believe we're unique in our mission
- 18:53and where we are on our path
- 18:55because we have continued to believe and still
- 18:58believe that we are
- 18:59envisioning a health plan model that addressing
- 19:03social determinants of health and true community health
- 19:06needs, it's not an add on.
- 19:08We've already made it to that step that
- 19:10we believe it's a core part
- 19:12of our benefit design and our population health
- 19:15strategy.
- 19:16And we are seeing and believe that making
- 19:19these types of investments
- 19:22in whether it be food security initiatives
- 19:25or
- 19:26access to care in underserved
- 19:28populations,
- 19:29but leveraging
- 19:30our resources where we can,
- 19:33we believe we're sending the signal.
- 19:35Health equity is not charity.
- 19:37It's a strategic imperative,
- 19:39and it's good business.
- 19:41Right? If you wanna move the needle
- 19:43on outcomes
- 19:44for underserved
- 19:45populations,
- 19:47we have to reimagine
- 19:49what it means to be a health plan.
- 19:51That could mean,
- 19:52depending on where you are in your journey,
- 19:54it could mean leaning into food. It could
- 19:57be leaning into connections,
- 20:00leveraging your data.
- 20:02I think those are all things where we
- 20:05can be.
- 20:06We, as an industry,
- 20:07can identify
- 20:09opportunities
- 20:11to deliver a different health outcome.
- 20:15I mean, we do believe that these types
- 20:17of investments that we're making, whether it be
- 20:19in food security or establishing
- 20:22these community hub type neighborhood care centers
- 20:26or not everybody's along that path yet. Investing
- 20:29in primary care practices in underserved areas.
- 20:32You know, we'd like this to serve almost
- 20:34as a rallying cry to other insurers and
- 20:37providers.
- 20:38You know, we can lift our communities.
- 20:41We can help
- 20:42our members and the members of our community
- 20:45on their path to health, but we need
- 20:48to do it together, and we need to
- 20:49be consistent about it.
- 20:52Wonderful. Well, Heather, thank you so much for
- 20:55taking the time to sit down with us
- 20:56and for sharing
- 20:58about the impactful work going on under your
- 21:00leadership at EmblemHealth.
- 21:02We really appreciate it. Thank you so much,
- 21:04Jacob.
- 21:05And to our listeners, if you'd like to
- 21:06listen to more podcasts from Becker's Healthcare, you
- 21:09can visit beckershospitalreview.com.